/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Here we go.

HERE WE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

HERE WE GO

>>444268

Well, we knew he could kill reality marbles, he killed Nero's after all.

HERE

WE

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>444268
Meant to say he can also easily defeat UBW like so.

Yes but HF Shirou and UBW Shirou definitely Kick his ass.

HERE WE GO!

It's boring if it's the same debate every time though.

HERE WE FUCKING GO MAN

>>444280
King of Heroes, do you have enough lust?

>>444276
UBW is different from Nero's. Shiki doesn't place the dots on the object, so he'd have to have some incredible luck to be placed directly on top of UBW's dot, it could be anywhere within the Reality Marble, which is fairly large.

HERE WE GO

>>444292
It only appears large. The bounded field creates a distortion of dimension within the field itself.

>>444280
Different and unlikely debate time then:

I believe Saber is hotter than Kohaku.

>>444292
He could easily trace the lines of UBW back to the origin, the dot. Or he could go along cutting the lines, making it slowly fall apart.

>>444299
That doesn't really matter. It still stands that Shiki would have to locate the dot, it doesn't simply come into his face right next to him.

HERE WE GO

>>444300
>I believe Saber is hotter than Kohaku.

Okay, now you've crossed a line that can't be crossed without retribution.

>>444303
I'm Shirou will sit idly by while he traces the lines and searches for the dot.

>>444300
>Saber is hotter than Kohaku

RAAAAGEEEE

>>444305
And he's not faster than Shiro?

You would think that the point to destroy UBW would be somewhere near or on Shirou since he is the source of the Reality Marble.

That said UBW is powerful in its own right, but fighting it head on is pointless. Shiki would be much better off dodging and letting the double edged sword the Reality Marble is hurt Shirou.

Also depending on which route or how you think of Shiki, the fight can go many ways, but in terms of Shiki with maybe the exception of Arc's route, he'd be able to stave off Shirou's attacks without destroying his weapons.

/rant

>>444300
Fuck you, fuck you you heartless bastard.

>>444315
No concrete data, but he's not faster, and even if they had comparable speed, Shirou has UBW active, infite weapons which can be flung around. It would be incredibly difficult for Shiki to ignore Shirou and make a break for the dot.

>>444300

Pic very related.

On another note, someone needs to make some Touhou rage pictures.

>>444331
Sorry, I meant to say I don't believe that Shiki is faster than Shirou.

The real question is: can Shiki stab the point of death in a 4chan thread, in order to stop retarded power level discussions.

>>444331
In Nanaya modo I'd say that Shiki is easily compared as being faster. If Shiro can't exactly see Shiki's exact location it would be easy for him to leisurely find the dot by tracing the lines.

>>444342
Not even Shiki can do that.

Gil at his full potential could beat them both at the same time.

>>444343
Yeah, you could be right there. Even if Nanaya is physically faster, I don't think he could keep up with the swords, Shirou's physical attacks, and locate and stab the dot. I don't think Shiki can move faster than Shirou can see, Nanaya or not. Shirou's eyes are described as being pretty amazing by Mitsuzuri.

>>444342
/jp/ threads aren't contained within the Akashic Record.

Like Avenger, they're so completely corrupted that they have been stricken from it.

>>444348
lazy gil could do it

>>444338
That may be debatable, but We do have evidence from the novels that would support Shiki being faster than Shirou.

But really, I think Shiki is a mismatch for Shirou in the sense that Shiki wouldn't offer the the chances for survival that most of Shirou's opponents do. Shiki doesn't hold back when he kills.

>>444348
Shiki is a frail human, land a GOOD hit and he will most probably die (in his fights with Nero, Roa and Arcueid, he would bleed to death if he wasn't healed afterwards)

>>444353
Long distance sight != motion detection.

>>444342

Shiki is connected to Akasha, not to zip.4chan.org. Therefore he can`t see THIS THREAD`s lines or dots.

>>444351
That's correct, but in this situation, UBW is already active, so Shirou is probably serious about killing his enemy as well.

>>444359
Shirou can actually follow the movements of Servants (to slightly dodge and deflect their attacks) and defend against Kuzuki on the very first battle., so his eyes are also perceptive, for sure.

>>444359
I know that. I still think Shirou would be able to see Shiki, Nanaya is still human.

Shiki's not frail.
In the battles against Nero his outerflesh was almost completely stripped and he fought on (with no Avalon regen at that). Against Arc He did have semi Vampiric healing keeping him alive, and Roa used Shiki's ability to further drain Shiki's lifeforce.

>>444354
>>444360
Psh, but the zip.4chan server would be contained within the records, and therefore the contents would also be. That means that the concepts of the threads would exist.

That being said, to truly "destroy" a thread, it would need to be deleted from the cache of every single computer viewing said thread, and every single saved instance of said thread. I doubt his mind could handle it.

>>444358
In Shiki's fight against Nanaya in KT, his whole back leg's muscle was cut out, and he still ran and defended with his body's pressure on that leg. Not very frail.

>>444362
I meant that Shiki can't halfway kill someone.
Whenever his knife hit his opponent it was succesful and detrimental in someway.

Shirou's only killed Kotomine (from Fate/UBW) and that was without Avalon. Of course Kotomine looked down on Shirou the whole time, but you get my point now, right?

>>444371
The 'frail human' comment was mostly to point out that humans are much frailer than all the other beings we see in Nasuverse.

Shiki, both because of his close connection to death, and his 'will to kill the enemy' at certain points, can take much more damage than your average guy.

But tear of a limb, and he will probably dry out.

>>444362
Shiro is a retard that never goes for a kill. That idiot would always hestitate in the ned, espacially since Shiki is a human.

>>444385
I do, sorry, I meant to convey that I knew what you meant from your first post. I don't think it would determine the outcome of the fight, though.

>>444388
Of course, but lets not forget that he did sacrifice his limbs to get a kill on Akiha.

Having your arms and legs burned off is much more painful than getting it torn off.

>>444393
Indeed, but it does stack the odds in the favor of our unequaled demon.

>>444391

And guess what?

Shiki doesn't kill humans either! Practically every act of rape or murder he committed was Nanaya's influence.

>>444395
Pain and fatality are different things.
Having a limb torn is mostly problematic, cause without blood 'YOU! ARE! DIE!"

But as I mentioned, when Shiki decided to kill someone, he almost always manages to do it somehow, regardless the cost.

>>444391
Shirou can and has killed. You can say that, but then there's no argument, because it's a killer against somebody who won't kill. There is only one person who could win that fight if they are close in fighting ability, the killer, so there's no point in saying Shirou won't kill (especially since he has UBW active and is thus serious about defeating the opponent).

>>444404
Wrong. He was only overcome by his impulses when he murdered Arc.
Afterwards, though he didn't know how he was able to move around and keep up with his opponents, he did so to his own ends. Only other times he might have succumbed to his Blood totally were bad ends.

>>444404
Except trying to kill Nanaya himself.

>>444413

>>444409
Shiki has killed too, but I'll put that aside.
I'm not saying that Shirou isn't serious.
I'm saying that their rate of success in achieving their objectives are much different.
And on top of that Shiki has an advantage at more factors that would decide the match between them.

The battle is debatable, but I'd put money on Shiki 10 out of 10 times.

>>444415

Apart of him. Think of it like stamping out a bad habit.

>>444413

Err... what?

>>444426
I know Shiki has killed, I never said otherwise. You were saying that Shiki will kill and Shirou would be reluctant to, and I don't think that's right. Sorry if I misinterpreted.

>>444426
A funny copypasta from some time ago:

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The match would probably be a draw because:
1. To use "Unlimited Blade Works" It requires that a spell be chanted. Since the two of them fight at melee distance, it would be very difficult to perform.
2. Since both of them are human, they're (believe it or not) on about on an equal playing field. Considering that Shirou's swords are projections,
they will undoubtedly have flaws which result in the lines of death becoming visible. But, Shirou can recreate as many swords as mana permits while Shiki can only keep his eyes strained for so long.
3. No shikifags, Nanaya mode won't kick in. Shirou is human.
4. Yes Shiroufags, unlimited blade works can be destroyed. UBW is just a reality (environment) contained within a barrier, so Shiki can kill it (Reread Ciel's route).

I can imagine the fight now! Two guys with no real strategy rushing head on at one another. Projecting swords over and over again just to have the lines cut,
meanwhile both brains are pulsing, their lungs screaming for oxygen, they want to regurgitate blood.
The fight goes on for about five minutes before Shirou is out of mana and Shiki is lying on the ground with his brain pounding in his skull like a piston.

>>444433

>>444432
Yeah. My main point was that ANY hit that Shiki lands would be very bad for Shirou.

HF Shirou moves at SPEED OF GODS

>>444439
Yeah, I see now what you're saying, that Shiki would only go for the dot (or fatal lines). I don't think that would make a difference in the fight, though (opinion only).

>>444442
Near side Shiki has an Alligator dick (abdomen) and multiple beasts crawiling on his skin.

HERE WE GO!

actually, if it was "Trace Berserker's sword" shirou, it would be WTFPWN

9 lives!

HF Shirou > Shikis >>>>>>>>>>> all other Shirous

>>444464
I certainly hope so.
I love Shirou's development over the routes so far and I always liked the 1 over all aspect of HF.

>>444452
I lol'd.

Skeith would fuck Shiki's eyesocket.

>>444461
ITT we make Shiki Angra Mainyus new host

Honestly, unless Shirou was afraid of Shiki, he probably wouldn't pull out UBW; and it wouldn't take Shiki long to get close enough to keep him from doing it.

I think the winner would just be who ever has the most endurance.

>>444492
Arrowlad!

Actually we need more Shiki art with his scar.
One of his biggest aspects as a character and its not even on the original CG except for his shota form.

>>444501
The same can be said for Shiki, there's no reason to suggest he would want to kill Shirou, you'd only be stacking the fight in his favor to say he wants to kill Shirou and Shirou does not want to kill him.

>>444391
Always.

>>444501
This is how every Shiki vs. Shirou argument goes,
-LOL POWER LVLS
-deep, researched discussion
-realization that it ends up as two scrawny guys slapping eachother.

>>444518
You're right...
They'd just try and talk it out instead of fighting. God, that'd be a boring match.

>>444543
Why does this remind me of that "Goku vs. Superman" argument and then that picture where they are glaring, but then pat each other on the back. "Like I'd fight you, good buddy!"

>>444560
Yeah, I love that, haha.

>>444518
>>444543
That's not the argument though.
Normally they would never fight each other.
We're speculating the what if their opponents ware each other.

>>444573
Well yeah, I was only responding to the argument that Shiki would be the only serious one. It's not worth talking about if they simply don't fight (which is how it would normally be).

My body is made out of swords.
My blood is of iron and my heart of glass
I survived through countless battles
Not even once retreating,
Not even once victorious
The bearer lies here alone
Forging iron on the hill of swords.
But my life needs no meaning.
This body was made out of limitless swords.

>>444579
So I guess that first we should determine the situation in which the fight takes place.

>>444603
Shirou starts mackin' on Akiha

>>444603
Shirou thinks Shiki wants the Holy Grail.
Shiki thinks Shirou is a vampire.

Or you could go the Tsukihime Complex X route.

>>444605
Probably confused her for Rin.

t-moon complex x situation wouldn't work, they need clear reasons for just wanting to see the other dead and in pieces.

Let's say Arc is dead and Shiki is given the possibility of reviving her through the use of same crazy varation of Holy Grail that can actually do this. Shiro, knowing what was the previous grail capable of, does everything he can to stop shiki.

let's say

>>444605
Akiha could beat Shirou

Shiki vs. Souichirou

HEAVEN OR HELL

>>444769
Haha, oh wow.

Definitely. Unless Akiha is blindfolded.

>>444769
Shirou has low resistance against tsundere characters

As quoted from a power level discussion many moons ago.

Seriously, you guys are fucking stupid.

The match would probably be a draw because:
1. To use "Unlimited Blade Works" It requires that a spell be chanted. Since the two of them fight at melee distance, it would be very difficult to perform.
2. Since both of them are human, they're (believe it or not) on about on an equal playing field. Considering that Shirou's swords are projections, they will undoubtedly have flaws which result in the lines of death becoming visible. But, Shirou can recreate as many swords as mana permits while Shiki can only keep his eyes strained for so long.
3. No shikifags, Nanaya mode won't kick in. Shirou is human.
4. Yes Shiroufags, unlimited blade works can be destroyed. UBW is just a reality (environment) contained within a barrier, so Shiki can kill it (Reread Ciel's route).

I can imagine the fight now! Two guys with no real strategy rushing head on at one another. Projecting swords over and over again just to have the lines cut, meanwhile both brains are pulsing, their lungs screaming for oxygen, they want to regurgitate blood. The fight goes on for about five minutes before Shirou is out of mana and Shiki is lying on the ground with his brain pounding in his skull like a piston.

tl;dr they're both human and both fight at melee distance using weapons of about the same length. One can kill things instantly and one can create things instantly. A battle of "LUL I KILLED UR SWORD" "LUL I GOT ANTOHER ONE."

>>444862
shirou's swords would progressively get weaker though

>>444862
was already posted in this thread you idiot.

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit

>>444872
Disregard my post then, I suck cocks.

>>444873
>Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected

General carry Katana thus was killed first

Why not mix it up a bit and the other Shiki?

>>444905
Because woman belong to kitchen. Shirou agreed don`t bother him about it

>>444905
so you want to have one on one on one fight between:
Shiki
Shirou
Ryougi Shiki

holy shit the universe is about to blow up.

>>444924
One of them would not have killer eyes.
Nasu said only one is allowed to have eyes per universe

>>444924
I mean forget Shiki Tohno for a bit. Lets have Ryougi tag in instead.

>>444930
You can still have Nanaya, he doesn't have the Mystic Eyes, but still have clan hax.

>>444944
Nanayahax is meaningless against HF Shirou
For everything else Thony Shiki will do

Power level thread? You're forgetting the one who is maximum.

>>444952
The Jougan eyes can perceive thoughts and feelings.

>>444930
did he say precisely WHAT is the source of the limit?

>>444957
That doesn't look like ORT...

>>444971
no

Ort vs...

>>444957
not enough mana to be maximum

>>444974
Now I'm imagining Zero's Berserker using ORT as a Noble Phantasm, thanks.

>>444957
If Berserker was fighting in a well-stocked military base with a master who could supply enough mana, could anyone beat him?

>>444974
he could use ort as his noble phantasm. What if he used Shiki for a noble phantasm?

>>444994

>>444974
Akasha and Gaia are the strongest entities in the Nasuverse.

>>445002
Gaja is fckweak kompared to the libary

What about Berserker Lancelot using TTGL?

>>445011
Anti-Spiral would be pissed

And THEN Yukari walks in

>>445011
or haruhi?

Ryogi Shiki > HF Shirou > Shiki > All Other Shirous

>>444519
Needs end where she lived.

Yes. I am biased

SUDDENLY KING OF HEROES!

>>445020
And then Zero's Berserker wields her as a Noble Phantasm too.

He's got TGLL in one hand, ORT in the other, and is inside Yukari.

What happens next?

I really don't understand the obsession with Shiki. He's not even a good main character

He loses to way too many people in a real fight regardless of whether or not he can see their points

>>445042
they are trapped in rape dimension.
Yukarin wins

>>445045

Ryogi doesn't.

Ryogi is delicious and hax.

>>445045
>He's not even a good main character

Hahahahahaha

But can Shiki kill the TTGL? How would he even be able to reach it?

>>445056

i dunno about normal Shiki, but Ryogi could.

seriously. She could.

>>445048
Could Ryougi kill Yukaris Boundaries and make the omniverse implode?

>>445072

probably. She could stop fujino's attacks from hitting her - being able to "kill" telekenetic attacks is pretty fucking HAX.

>>445056
You see, he cuts off the leg and then the torso and keeps going until he can reach the dot.

>>445064
Or we could do this.

>>445049

Your laugh makes you right...oh wait

You're just another faggot xD

>>445045
4/10.

you have to try to be a bit less obvious.

>>445084
>xD

>>445072
No. everything will become one enormous object

>>445084

>xD

I'd so sage that but unfortunately I like where the thread itself is going.

Hey there.

>>445084
And I guess Shiro is the perfect hero, then?

>>445099
see >>445093

Yukari should stay away from Shiki!

Well then, what would happen if shiki was summoned as a servant?

>>445086

what. you'd have to be pretty dense to think shiki is high tier

>>445084
Right, Shirou's the perfect hero.

>>445113

Too slow

Too fragile

Too limited in his techniques

Then again Servants in general are alot weaker than than your standard shounen/action villains anyway

so does that mean i'm the strongest?

>>445139
you were put into a 2 year coma by a car accident, weak.

>>445113

most of the servants weren't that hardcore during their lives as well.
see the op pic btw

>>445139
RP reported.

>>445124
>Then again Servants in general are alot weaker than than your standard shounen/action villains anyway

Eskualibar and EA are divine Spirit (god) level.
Also Servants are basicly GODS.
Immune to Son Gokus Powers and stuff
Conceptual ewapons. Gay Bolg will even fuck Aizen in one hit

>>445148
what was that?

>>445124
He'd probably be much, much stronger than True Assassin.

i guess i won't post any more of my awesome ryogi pics then.>>445161

>>445113
I wonder what class he'd get summoned as.
Saber, Archer, Caster, and Rider would be impossible.

He'd make an adorably weak Berserker in Nanaya mode though. And of course he could be Assassin, but that seems cliche.

>>445124
You missed Tsukihime Z where Saber, Arcueid and Altrouge use fusion to form the super golden Brunestud in episode 376?

>>445113
assassin class probably. godlike agility, pretty good endurance, and mystic eyes of course.

i dunno about nanatsu your being a proper noble phantasm though.

>>445168
Do I need to spell it out to you. Shiki was almost murdered, but he survives and comes back with his epic eyes of death perception. Shirou dies several times but comes back to kick ass each time. You get knocked out for 2 years by a car.

>>445197
please post moar! I love Ryougis hax so much!

>>445113
assassin class probably. godlike agility, pretty good endurance, and mystic eyes of course.

i dunno about nanatsu yoru being a proper noble phantasm though.

>>445165
>Immune to Son Gokus Powers and stuff.Conceptual ewapons

System incompatibility shouldn't count

It's like saying some shitty Naruto technique is unbeatable if you don't have chakra.

>>445205

i think you need to read the books that are translated. Granted, it isn't clear what it was with just the three chapters translated, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a car.

http://mirrormoon.org/books/opening

lol foreshadowing?

>>445233
mental instability after she almost killed that boring dude

>>445213
Servants are ghosts.
Everything Goku does is based on physical strengt. (minus spirit bomb)
He also would get HORRIBLE by low tier bleach characters. They would kill his soul

>>445235
you should stop trying to argue powerlevels.

>>445237

>>445199
see
>>445211

definitely assassin, there is no other class for Shiki.

>>445243
but it is the fastest way to invoke shitstorms

>>445235

First of all, Ki blasts are not physical you stupid jew.

2nd of all, your shitty comment further highlights how dumb it would be to pit two diff chars from two diff universe to fight eachother without establishing some basic standard

If that's how you want to go then I can say Hunter x Hunter characters can kill everyone in this thread just by throwing nen aura at them

>>445241

at least i got haggen daaz!

>>445253
so shiki could be summoned by a flawed half assed summoning right?

>>445250
In before Atemu

You realize Shiki could never be summoned as Assassin as Assassin class needs to be one of the original Hassan. Fake Assassin only go that way cause it was a flawed half-assed summoning.

...Crossover powerlevel discussions are an eyesore.

>>445253
repeat flawed half-ass summoning then.

Nanaya or Tohno?

This is why Crossover RPG always fail so hard

>>445272
just why are you asking such a stupid question?

>>445272

Tohno

>>445272
Is this a 'I'm the Sexiest' battle?

Shinki!

>>445304
Mooooooooooe.

>>445304
Oh god Santa Claudia is hot!

>>445304
I so want to cut her into 17 pieces right now!

>>445299
Know I know Shirou can't beat Shiki like this.
IMO, it's impossible.

Archer? Who knows.

>>445320
>Moooooooooo.

>>445356
The Wizard Marshal can do it.
The Wizard marshal can do anything. He's got a fucking magical girl stick.

>>445364
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT KEINE?

>>445373

GUYS WHO WOULD WIN? GIL OR SHIKI?

Hey guys this doujin will tell us the answer!

>>445395

>>445395

Oooh, I liked that one.

>>445400

>>445403

>>445413

Can certainly kill servants.

>>445422

>>445432

>>445437

the end
and the moral is

>>445444

YARANAIKA ARCHER.

I feel fucking violated. Oh god oh god oh god.

>>445451
OHSHI

>>444433

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