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Is the mystical world of Umineko so boring that everyone in it has to flock to that one island?

>>4433512
when you have tolive forever, it should be boring

I want them all to rape me. Is this bad?

>>4433512
There are billions of living humans on Earth. Less than 20 are on that island. There could be even more spiritual beings in existence... less than 100 are on that island.

It's an area of hot spiritual activity, and has been for a long time it seems. No different from here on Earth.

>>4433524
no because you are in jp

>>4433547
Cool.

>>4433593
wow... nice pic?

>>4433593

>>4433603
Erika is finger-lickin' <good>.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9491694

This maybe a repost, but I think Beatrice get around quite well....in the video at least.

umineko needs more Erika...;_;

No more Erika for you. The bastards killed her.

>>4433887
Noooooouuu

>>4433887
<Good>

>>4433887
<Bad>

>>4433887
Just as planned.

>>4433887
FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUU

>>4433916
<So-so>

>>4433887

You know what I would want?
EP7: Featherine trolling Bern hard, and Erika comes in to save her.

>>4433933
And storywise that would be good because?

You know what I want?
Ep7: Battler bangs every woman on the island hard...of the Golden Witch.
Ep8: The Birth of A Golden Miracle

DEAD!

Erika is dead. But she lives on! In my heart!

>>4433940

Because Erika would be back.

>>4433955
And on my back!

>>4433955
isnt dlanor a child??

>>4433958
And sentiments like this is why the story has gone down the crapper.

Erika will forever live on....

>>4433990
The story hasn't gone done the crapper.

>>4433990

Erika was definitely one of the more interesting characters. If she teamed up with Battler, making a brutally efficient but stil moral-retaining and idealistic duo, it would be interesting to see.
Or even better, she teams up with Beatrice for whatever reason.

>>4434019
Sure, as long as we go 'OMG MAGICAL GUN DUEL' and 'SO CUTE WEDDING DRESS", coherency of narrative and what happens in the story can be fixed.

>>4433990
Those sentiments are good because it means that the character development is really good, making you love or hate them.

>>4434035
With the events of the last 2 episodes, that would be stupid and senseless, is the point.

>>4434036
Go away, troll. If you can't even understand Umineko, then just leave.

TITS OR GTFO

EP7: Bern makes a dozen Erika clones to try and kill Battler
The rest of the Iron Maidens appear
FEATHERINE HIJACK
BEATO VS ERIKA, NO MAGIC, NO THEORIES, BITCHSLAPS ONLY

>>4434049
Suuuure, I lack the Umineko spirit.

>>4434036

>Only read the spoilers

You can't judge the coherency of a narrative from its events, it's all about how they're justified.

>>4434076
That problem exists outside of Erika and episode 6.
Such ideas and trying to implement them is just part of the problem.

>>4434053
The inquisitor has no tits. YOU get out.

>>4434046

How would they be contradicting previous episode development?
-Battler and Beatrice recognise Erika as a worthy opponent, and vice-versa
-Erika being set up as sympathetic in EP6
-Erika shown as being abused and enslaved, desperately trying to appeal to Bern because that's the extent of the love she can get
-Erika's development of her past shows her commitment against magic can hurt herself
-Bern as final villian
-Beatrice still a pawn of Bern/Lambda and Battler still incompetent; they need someone else on their side

Conclusion: Not saying it will happen, but if Erika returns it would make sense if she joined Battler and Beatrice.

Show some examples against it if you want to disagree.

>>4434169
This reminds me, that DlanorErika doujin was never scanned ;_;

>>4434158
So repeating Battler and Beatrice development which was mostly done off screen and jumped, taking an irrelevant 'sad' past, deciding on a 'last' villain already for your shit to make sense will make sense?
Well, R07 would do this if he wanted, but he dropped the ball after episode 4 regardless.
Whatever. We seek out trees while the forest gets fucking burned.

>>4434211
>Battler and Beatrice development which was mostly done off screen and jumped
PLAY THE GAME

>>4434211
too notice the development, you need shippergoogles, but it's certyainly there, njust learn to read between lines

>>4434224
Suuuuure, one cannot have complaints on how it was handled if he read it.
ALL ABOARD THE R07 ASSLICKING TRAIN.
Grow up.

>>4433634
Very nice, thanks for linking that.

>>4434239
Not saying there is NONE, but it was handled badly with less hints than it should.
Major difference.

>>4434255
I'm still amused people like this exist.

>>4434243

You're not convincing anyone with opinions.
A statement presented without proof can be dismissed without proof.
Seriously, how can you play the game and say there is no development between Battler and Beatrice?

>>4434276
Maybe he forgot how to read.

>>4434255
there were more than enough hints, just paying attention to those is not that difficult
their growing friendship through ep2
the whole ep3
most part of ep4 where they actually appeared
and ep5 just to end it, Battler being too dense to realize through that whole game made me rage a bit when it was obvious he liked her from ep3

>>4434276
He never said there was none, just that it was handled badly.
And I agree.

>>4434276
The difference between 'no development' and 'minimal making it seem abrupt, AKA NOT HANDLED WELL' is big.
You should learn to distinguish such shit, bro. And going 'PROOF, I neeeeed it' does not help much.

>>4434158
I could see Battler bringing her back to help in a logic fight or something (or maybe so he could recruit Dlanor), but I don't think she'd really be a willing ally with him. It would be more like "I hate you but I don't hate you so much that I'd rather be dead".

Well, unless she really is yandere for Battler, derp.

I thought the attraction between them was getting obvious. What I don't like is the second-rate trick of having a character seem more clever by giving reader less information than him. So Battler solved the mystery, well at least HE knows what his sin was. But he's not telling, oh no.

>>4434243
Oh you. Maybe you should try paying attention when you read.

>>4434308
We were honestly doing OK until R07 shit all over us in EP6.

>>4434342
EP6 was amazing.
>>4434308
We have the same amount of information as Battler.

>>4434255

EP2: Very much the introduction of Beatrice as a personality. She is shown to be bitter about love (See: 2nd twilight), enjoys interacting with Battler, and the furniture scene shows her special interest in him. Rosa tea party also shows Battler is the only one worthy to stand against Beatrice.

EP3: Basically a whole load of 'Beatrice isn't that bad but at the end she decides she wants Battler to think she is'. Scenes from her past set up sympathy for her. Even though some of it is blown off as trolling, there is a definite presence of Beatrice caring for Battler.

Do I really need to continue?

>>4434355
No.
And no, we do not.

>>4434382
>no u
How weak.

>>4434395
He says it's great, I say it is not.
We state opinions.
Should I CAPS LOCK it to be stronger?

>>4434382
Actually, we do.
Everything from Ep. 5 and onward doesn't reveal any new facts about the mystery. It only elaborates on what we should have figured out already.

You're just slow, anonymous.

>>4433486
So what's the significance of the names of the other two Iron Maidens, Gertrude and Cornelia? From what I can tell, every magical being has a meaning behind their name except them.

>>4434406
But it's not an opinion that we have the same amount of information as Battler. It's a fact.

>>4434424
That, maybe.
But the way I see it, it's only really solvable if you are R07, aka you know what the fuck you have to use already, and Battler shares that in a sense. It's a sea of shit, and while you may find the course, without the chart you just muddle around and you may be correct.

>>4434407
True, EP5 shows that the first twilight doesn't happen where we think it happens also the Natsuhi blackmail plot.
I'm guessing EP6 clarifies closed rooms.

>>4434308
> What I don't like is the second-rate trick of having a character seem more clever by giving reader less information than him.
The only information that Battler has that we don't was forgotten by him long ago. Everything else, the information from Episodes 1 through 4, is exactly the same. (If I'm not mistaken, Battler could even view the future of the kakera of Episode 3, with Ange and such; iirc, one of the scenes that shows up on the screen for a moment when Battler is falling through the sea of kakera is the scene with Sakutarou playing with the Stakes.)

>>4434460
So an incompetent faggot who could not stumble four sentences ahead without prodding figured it all in a convenient break.
Magnificent.

>>4434420
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gertrude_the_Great
> St Gertrude showed "tender sympathy towards the souls in purgatory" and urged prayers for them. She is therefore invoked for souls in purgatory.
>
> Perhaps for that reason, to her name has been attached a prayer that, according to a legend of uncertain origin and date (neither are found in the Revelations of Saint Gertrude the Great), Our Lord promised to release a thousand souls from purgatory each time it was said. The prayer was extended to include living sinners as well.

>>4434308
If you had read the interviews, you'd know that about Battler was the signal to say: "with the previous information I've given to you, the mystery is solvable" and Battler solved it, even the damn sin

>>4434481
Battler may be incompetent, but he's not stupid.

>>4434481
Because he had love, it could be seen.

>>4434490
I wonder if you could solve every mystery yet not find the one true culprit.

>>4434420
Had to look this up, I remember reading this a while back:
http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/jp/thread/3986844

>>4434490
Sure, the AUTHOR who knows everything can say that.
Word of God should be taken with a grain of salt.
Just leaving the clues does not mean much since there is no direction(and there is no way you can properly guess MOTIVES etc which will be unveiled later and chain things better).
Not to mention it's BAD, narrative wise.

>>4434502
You guys REALLY like repeating that line, don't you?

>>4434490
That's not really an excuse. If the main character has solved the mystery the story is over. Why are we getting more episodes?

>>4434538
The culprit or mastermind hasn't been revealed.

>>4434534
With good reason.

>>4434538

For a dramatic reveal at the end I suppose.

Every Umineko thread turns into bandwagon hate.

HEY GUYS I THINK UMINEKO IS SHIT AND I MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS I THINK IT'S SHIT IN EVERY THREAD ESPECIALLY EP6 WHICH I HAVEN'T PLAYED AM I COOL YET

>>4434538
Because at its heart, Umineko isn't a mystery.

...Also, I wonder if this was foreshadowing for Erika's backstory in Episode 6.

>>4434560
In the meta world.

>>4434527
That's why we have the TIPS. It gives you a starting point to work on.

All you need to do is figure out what they actually mean and you practically got the entire mystery solved.

>>4434553
A bad, forced reason that according to theories plays on wordplay.
It's worse when people use it as an argument as to why people who DISLIKED certain developments have no taste.

>>4434538

Because Umineko isn't purely a mystery.
It's a story about magic that has a working mystery in it.
The mystery may be solved, but there are all sorts of plot elements that need to be tended to - that's why even Ryu07 said EP6 would be more story-oriented.

>>4434572
Considering how nobody can really agree on anything, with 20 different outlines, you see the problem.

>>4434552
But that's my point! The main character has solved the mystery but we haven't been told. The rest is just cock-waving.

Though I give him that introducing Erika was a good move there. Since she hadn't solved the mystery she was a good MC substitute. And in Ep 7 we have Bern.

I can't wait for R07 to reveal that the meta-world entirely takes place in someone's head.

>>4434595
It's fiction.

>>4434585
If Bern is the GM i sense some look a like Higurashi characters popping up, maybe even as pieces.

>>4434574
> A bad, forced reason that according to theories plays on wordplay.
That wordplay isn't even necessary, though, so it's unlikely to be the case. (All you need to do is this: さよ -> しゃよ -> しやよ -> よしや)

Oh yeah, and since we didn't have Kanon's human name in the first four Episodes, it's unnecessary to solve the mystery and thus the "Without love, [it] cannot be seen" line isn't referring to that; at the very least, there's more meaning to the line than just that.

>>4434583
That's because most people are retards, especially in the Umineko fandom.
Anyone who isn't completely stupid can see where Umineko is going.

>>4434585
> Since she hadn't solved the mystery she was a good MC substitute.
Except Erika was never the main character. In fact, she was supposed to represent the WRONG way to solve Umineko.

>>4434585
more like giving us extra time and additional tips+character background
if the mystery was solvable by ep4, what he's doing is basically telling us to solve it before he has to so we don't 'lose'

>>4434617
...I wonder, is there a city or town in Japan named "Ai" (愛)?

>>4434657
not that easy

What does Nanjo do on the island, i replayed EP1 & what i found strange was just before the first twilight reveal they showed us all the characters & where they are located.
Nanjo just had a black background.

>>4434617
Considering how often the line is used in Episode 6, and the way it's used, I have a feeling that we really are missing the true meaning of it.


...Beatrice.
Listen carefully.
I will turn over my love for Battler to you.
Become the woman Battler desires.

I will give you the blonde hair he desires.
I will give you the blue eyes he desires.
I will give you the personality suited to him that he desires.
And... In place of me, love him.
And if possible, be loved by him.

I can no longer love him.
The feelings I could not obtain...the feelings I could not bear...please obtain them.

From this day forward, you are no longer the phantom of Rokkenjima who only plays tricks.
From this day forward, you are the ruler of Rokkenjima, and the one who waits for him to return until he fulfills his promise.

From this day forward, you will inherit that in my place.
Thus, from this day forward, you are no longer me.

I will push all of my suffering on to you... Please forgive me for being the only one to become happy.

From this day forward, you have the qualifications to detest everything.
You are the Golden Witch, Beatrice.

And someday.
Destroy everything, revive everything.
...Bless all lovers.

At that time.
...For both you and I to find happiness together...I will be wishing for from the bottom of my heart.

From this day on, you are not me.
From this day on, I am not you.
Let's split up our one soul and share it.
Each half will naturally be less than one soul.
But surely that will allow us to see more dreams than a person would.
May we be blessed...
My dear Beatrice...

Although no one else can see your form,
at least I can see you.
And if you are loved by many people,
surely everyone else will become able to see you too.
With love, we can see...

>>4434673
Nanjo should be sleeping, remember he always wakes up early in the morning, that's why the background is black
also the man is old

>>4434673
I was about to ask "does that mean Nanjo was the culprit for the first twilight of Episode 1?", but then I remembered that it was stated that he, Kumasawa, and Genji were not murderers. (Not sure if that only applies to Episode 1 or if it applies to all Episodes, though.)

>>4434685
I figured it was something like that, i just found it strange that they even showed Kinzo in his study.

>>4434691
He could (theoretically) be defacing the bodies, without actually being the one that committed the murders. But that's probably not it.

>>4434673

He's Kinzo's personal physician and friend. Before meeting Kinzo, he ran a clinic in the town on the mainland.

Also EP4, why did we see Kasumi & why did the boat master get a sprite.
I know people like to say they have nothing to do with the mystery but it was just a little odd.

>>4434677
Oh yeah, speaking of that monologue, I remember someone saying yesterday/the day before that it wouldn't make sense if Shannon/whoever Shannon was originally was the creator, as in Episode 2 it was as though she was seeing Beatrice for the first time. Thing is, going by what's said in Episode 3, that should only have been the first time for Kanon; when Ronove is introduced, he greets Shannon as though he's met her before, then greets Kanon as someone new.

>>4434626
Okay, genius. Tell me, where is it going?

This anon is humbly requesting more decently drawn Erika/Dlanor.

>>4434763
I still think Rosa is more involved with Beatrice than anyone else on the island.
I mean she did kill a Beato.

>>4434749
Of the human characters introduced in Episode 4, the only one to get a full-body sprite in the Character TIPS was Amakusa. Kasumi, Kawabata, Okonogi, Ootsuki, Nanjo's son, and Kumasawa's son only got pictures of their dialogue sprites.

>>4434763
Shannon is a furniture, she was created, she isn't the original personality.
In term of rank, think like this:
Original personality > Beatrice > Shannon > Kanon.

>>4434793
It kind of rand out.

>>4434808
There have been far more hints for Kanontrice than there have for Rosatrice, though.

Ooops, almost forgot to post this one.

>>4434812
ENOUGH WITH THIS DID CRAP

>>4434846
You are going to hate the future episodes.

>>4434820
I'm not saying any sort of -trice just that if meta world Beato has been involved with Rosa many times ( EP2 tea part & Ep4 with MARIA).
I just don't think you can overlook Rosa in the grand scale of things.

>>4434814
Pity.

>>4434862

Hey guys i hate Umineko. but even so im in every Umineko thread defending a theory that is stupid and leads to a fucking shitty ending just because i feel like it.

Am i cool yet?

>>4434862
A little sure of yourself, aren't you.

>>4434885
oh, did you find some script that saves the source into the filename? mind linking us?

>>4434903
Cause only HATERS WHO HATE found this theory correct and support it.
Because all other theories make for SATISFYING GREAT STORY.
You guys are overly defensive.

>>4434960
And you guys are overly aggressive. Problem?

>>4434903
You know that this theory is by far the most popular right now on pretty much every board that discuss Umineko, right?
It's even in the QA of the main Umineko thread in 2ch.

>>4434913
Mac OS X has a metadata-attribute kMDItemWhereFroms which tells you where you got a file from.

>>4434981
Popular = good, am I right

>>4434960
You guys are just starting to piss people off.

I mean, it was cute at the start, but after severall weeks its time for you guys to realize that nobody that likes this game and theorycrafting gives a fuck about your opinions.

We already know what you think, dully noted, now fuck off and leave these threads for people that care about this shit.

so i don't get it, how was Featherrine capable of making Bern GM? Does that mean that Battler was basically kicked from GM position? Or is Bern's gameboard a copy of Beatrice's, and none of the other Meta characters are around?

>>4435026
> Or is Bern's gameboard a copy of Beatrice's, and none of the other Meta characters are around?
I think that might be the case.

>>4435012
Never said it was good, or even true.
Only that your claim that only the haters who want to troll support it is completely untrue.
It's the most widespread theory for a reason, like it or not.

>>4435025
Cuase serious theorycrafterd such as myself cannot accept a crazy maid, no sir.
Serious fans only, kids should go play.
Blow the stick out of your ass, boy.

>>4435026
for Battler, the game was more or less ended, then Bern wanted to be the GM and needed a recommendation

>>4435041
U mad?

>>4435061
No, but people wo tell me to get out of a thread obviously are.

>>4435041
Without love it cannot be seen.
And Shkanontrice is the #1rst rated loveless theory out there.

>>4435075
It;s so very easy to use love to explain DID in the first place.

>>4435073
>>4435041
Leave.

>>4435084
Sure.

"...... Where is... Lambda... ?"

Just be saying that, it felt like I was admitting defeat... That rankled in me. Even though she was always there making noises and latching onto me when I didn't want her to... When I finally call her name, she doesn't answer...

Is she making fun of me? Where... is this?

Feeling that watching an ending I could already foresee happening was stupid. I left the great hall. Maybe I could find a cool terrace to spend the time while waiting for that farce in the great hall to end.

"Well, it's true that I kept on going in the direction where there were no people... But for there not to be a single soul here is too much..."

Am I, the great Bernkastel... lost?

As if this sort of miracle could ever happen.

Yes... There exists no miracles in this world. For a miracle to occur, there must be a "time that will never arrive" that is almost equivalent to an endless time. So for something like a miracle to happen in this place which has no such time... That is not a miracle, but someone's plan. In other words, I've been sucked into someone's plan now, made to walk this weird corridor...

A cat. It sounded like a cat. But there can't be a miracle of a cat in this sort of place...

This sort of miracle is "not allowed". If it's not a miracle, then it is a sign... to lead me in that direction.

Fine... It might be a new happening that will ease my boredom. If this turns out to be one of Lambda's new games... I'll make her use her tongue to cover her whole body with honey as a reward and stick parasols in her eyes so that she won't do it again.

>>4435080
Except its not.

Mental ilness =/= Love

Also LOL MAGICAL DID LOVETROLLING THREE PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME WITH FULL FORCE.

>>4435045

so who's gonna be her opponent? And how Bern have love, she's an ice queen

The corridor is dark, but there is a presence.

Two emerald green eyes. Probably those of a cat. A black cat.

"Are you the one who called me? Or are you someone's messenger?"

Looking down at my feet, I could see bright red cat footprints leading to the cat eyes. An eerie footprint... as if it had stepped in some blood.

As my eyes grew accustomed to the darkness, it looked as if the footprints floated slightly in the dark. Not that it was glowing, but it served its purpose as a sign that I should follow it. As if asking me to follow, the cat turned and looked at me then walked off into the darkness.

What is this? This mysterious feeling. This feeling that I haven't felt in a long time, ever since I assumed the name of the cruelest witch in the world. Waht this feeling is... Somehow, I can't really remember. But... for me, who is tired of boredom... This must be interesting.

Walking down that dark corridor, I followed the cat. Forward... Turning... Sometimes going down stairs... And, I'm not sure because it was dark... I entered through a gap of a door.

"...... This is?"

I couldn't hear the cat footsteps, but the bloody footprints continued. In the distance, a white spotlight of light... The cat from before... was eating something frmo a bowl. I see... So that's your reward for bringing me here.

"Cat... I know I'm bothering your dinner... but why don't you get your owner to come... It couldn't be... You can't be the one who asked me to come here, right?"

It didn't even turn to look at me. Well, it's just a beast. Maybe if I kick it, it'll run to its owner...

[kicking sound]

"Hmm."

After kicking the cat, it flew against the wall like a stuffed animal and stayed there before disappearing into the darkness.

What's with this cat? An illusion?

"Tsk."

When I looked down at the bowl, it was blood covered raw meat.

"What is this... This bad taste treatment."

"Kicking it... was not a nice thing to do."

When I heard that voice, all my hair stood on end. Then, the surroundings began to brighten. But before the lights turned on, Bernkastel already knew where this was.

AuAu: It is, you know... That cat.
Bern: ......
AuAu: A cat that eats flesh... A cat who's learnt how to choose paths... It's been a while.
Bern: If you didn't make me learn it... It is a path I wouldn't have chosen. You monster who taught me the taste of flesh... So you've revived... Featherine Auaurora.
AuAu: Augustus Aurora... How many times have I told you, yet you never learn. That's fine. That too is nostalgic... I heard a lot of rumours about you: how you've taken the name of the witch of miracles, Bernkastel, and how you've been playing with kakera in unpraiseworthy ways.
Bern: I was only doing things you would... But in the end, I am no match for you. If what I did was unpraiseworthy... You've done things a hundred times worse.

>>4435113
Or maybe just TWO.
And how each personality is shaped can be explained outside of the illness.

Bernkastel sat in an antique chair in a manner that showed she was purposely doing things her own way.

AuAu: What are you afraid of? I am merely enjoying meeting with my longest serving miko again... Were you so bothered by the cat familiar just now?

Bern's actions looked as if they were relaxed, but to that Featherine, she seemed to be saying "don't be afraid". And from that expression on Bern's face... It seems Featherine had hit the nail on the head.

Bern: There's only so much insinuation I can take... A cat who eats blood-covered flesh and walks around leaving a trail of blood?
AuAu: ...... Don't be afraid... Look closely... Where is this cat whose dropping its face in bloody flesh? All there is is a plate of biscuits given to it as a reward for bringing you here.
Bern: ......

And as if it was a mirage... There was the plate full of cute biscuits.

Bern: Tcht.

Bern didn't bother to hide her displeased expression. Featherine shrugged her shoulders as she muttered,"You just never change, do you child?"

Bern: As usual, you're such an unpleasant person... But now I'm quite satisfied... Mimcking what you've done... was not really boring.
AuAu: Go ahead and tell me off as you like, like when we parted. That was the present I gave you.
Bern: That you like a bad-mouthed miko because it's not boring? Tcht... How stupid. If that makes you so happy, I'd rather stuff up my mouth... So, why did you call me here?
AuAu: Beatrice's game seems to have ended with Battler's victory. I've been watching... It's been very interesting.
Bern: ... You must have been interested in watching my clumsy role, haven't you?
AuAu: Oh no, it was a good performance. Even Beato must be thanking you.
Bern: ... Hmm... And? If you're here to ask me to recite Beato's game, I refuse... I am no longer your miko.
AuAu: I've watched all of Beato's games, Lambda's game, Battler's game... All of them have entertained me very much. I even have my own answers to all the mysteries... Culprit, motive, each trick... The riddle I haven't completely solved, but I have a deduction that I believe will be solved once I visit Rokkenjima.
Bern: And?
AuAu: Of course, as long as there isn't a single truth, my deduction is but one of many allowed possibilities. But that is within the scope of possibilities. It's just a matter of elimination.
Bern: What? You want me to debate Beato's game with you?
AuAu: No. Child, what I want you to do is reconcile the answers.

At Featherine's words, Bern had a slight reaction. But that slight reaction did not escape the notice of her former mistress.

>>4435145
And then a skeleton popped out

>>4435113
Beatrice is either mentally ill or a fucking monster.
Take your pick.

And before you go SHE ISN'T THE CULPRIT, it was said in the first fucking game that meta-Beatrice symbolizes everything that trap Battler and the others during these 2 days.
If there is a mastermind and a murderer being controlled, she is both.

AuAu: As an actor in a play, you've been through many different stories. Through that process, you've come to realize various truths, haven't you? However, there still remains some riddles that Beato created that even you do not know the answers to. Is that not so?
Bern: ...... I see... You want me to take up the role of biting into the innards and dragging them out, don't you?
AuAu: At the end of the play, reading a pamphlet and understanding the backstage happenings of the play, is as you say, like having tea after a meal. It's luxurious, but something that cannot be missed out.
Bern: When it is alive, you play with it and cherish it... Once it dies, you eat up its flesh to fill up your stomach... For you, a cat has double uses, doesn't it? Go die, you monster.
AuAu: I want to reconcile the answers... And don't you want to know?
Bern: ......
AuAu: Just think of it as if it's burying Beato's bones and I'm asking you to carry out that funeral rite. What about that, my child?
Bern: ... That's a way of requesting that more befits my tastes.

With a click of Featherine's fingers, a spotlight falls on the pile of books spread on the table.
And there... was a folded game board of Beato's game.
And there... was a stack of folded game boards of Beato's game. With
With a twirl of her finger, the witch of observation opened one of the game boards. On it, the black and white pieces slipped into their positions.

AuAu: The game board and the pieces are all here.

With a flurry of flapping, the book flipped from the first page to the last, closed itself and then flew to the side of the game board. There were all the movements of the previous games... All recorded.

Bern: ... I see... All that's missing is the player and the reciter.
AuAu: The tea is not enough. The dried peaches are also not enough, but those will be prepared.
Bern: ...... All right... If you'll add in some daifuku, I'll start...
AuAu: The discussion is complete.
Bern: I have one condition.
AuAu: Hohhh, and that is... ?
Bern: I am the reciter, you know... I have no love, so I might come up with all sorts of weird explanations... But how it is read... is all up to the reciter~
AuAu: All I want is to reconcile the answers. I have no interest in the story. I have no interest in what kind of tale you weave. I see... I finally understand what it is you want to do. All right.
Bern: ... You'll accept it, of course? The condition.
AuAu: That's fine. I want to know the answers. You want to vent your resentment. The negotiations are complete.

With another click of her fingers, a large chair appears. It was a throne... that didn't fit the room's decorations.
[picture of Battler's portrait appears]
No...It was familiar... that throne...

>>4435158
So if the mastermind was Kinzo, does that mean Meta Beatrice represents Kinzo as well?

AuAu: I accept your conditions. You may seat yourself. The game master is... you.
Bern: ... You're sure? You're really, really sure? [BERNTWISTEDFACEHERE]
AuAu: To vent your resentment, you can create any story you want. I have no interest in that. But I also have a condition. You must resolve all the answers I want. No secrets or hiding things.
Bern: Ufufufufufufufufuf... Leave it to me. Splitting up the innards and dragging out all that is inside is that I do best... It's what you taught me to do.
AuAu: I will make the tea... Not with magic, but by my own hands. The mistress will prepare tea for her miko.
Bern: Beato used to say that to enjoy tea, its best to have a witch as your companion.
AuAu: For us... it's different, isn't it? Fufufufufufufufu.

And without knowing when, the plate of biscuits disappeared in a whiff of red bubbles... and returned to a pile of minced meat. No... Not just meat... Innards. Intestines.

AuAu + Bern: To drink tea... it is best to do it with FELLOW MONSTERS."

>>4435183
Yes.
But Kinzo is dead so yeah.

After the credits:

Bern: ... Let's begin the placement of the pieces. This would be the 7th game then?
AuAu: Yes... It's an auspicious number.
Bern: But not to Beato.

Bern slowly lifted up a black piece. That was the piece that represent Beato. A piece that is sometimes a king... Sometimes a queen, a knight... But that is only when it is promoted. Right now it is but a pawn... A garbage piece. So the placement of the pieces... From then on, the witches' game begins. And so Bernkastel slowly raised up Beato's piece.

Initial position...

D8 - Beatrice.

end

>>4435158
Except not.

She can simply be a dramatic villain with a backstory that justify everything (see that when Battler found out the truth his reaction was of love and understanding rather than a anger one)

There's no need for DID, there's no need for her being a monster and there could be very well at least another person forcing her to do it.

>>4435158
Doubletrice man

>>4435197
At least I'm looking forward to Ep 7.

>>4435208
What the fuck can justify killing so much people, including children?
Let me tell you, NOTHING, no being raped or having a shit life doesn't justify shit.
She is either ill or a monster.

And I already told you that if there was a person forcing her, then he/she would be part of Meta-Beatrice as well.

Bern: ... You must have been interested in watching my clumsy role, haven't you?
AuAu: Oh no, it was a good performance. Even Beato must be thanking you.

This is interesting......

>>4435208
> There's no need for DID
See >>4434677. The Beatrice of the gameboard was created from part of the mind of one of the people on the board. She isn't her own individual person.

>>4435232
No.
Takano for example is neither ill or a monster, she was just mildly fucked up(and could use a Tomitake hug) and yes, she murdered a entire village--children included.

I wouldnt put Umineko to be more complicated than you think, just to remember the time it took for R07 to explain everything to Akiko Shikata...

>>4435251
Didn't Virgilia already say that Bern and Lambda had their part to play.

>>4435251
> Even Beato must be thanking you.
Because Battler finally reached the truth due to Bern being an antagonist, which was what Beato wanted all along? Remember Virgilia's monologue from Episode 5, about why Beato allowed Lambda and Bern into the Meta World to begin with?

>>4435259
Way to read that literally. That doesn't mean that she has to have a mental disorder or multiple personalities. It could be anything like suppressing her feelings or something like that.

>>4435232

No.
Takano for example is neither ill or a monster, she was just mildly fucked up(and could use a Tomitake hug) and yes, she murdered a entire village--children included.

I wouldnt put Umineko to be more complicated than you think, just to remember the time it took for R07 to explain everything to Beatrice's seiyuu.

>>4435259
hurr....Jessica created Jessie as a mask of herself and she didnt need to have DID to do that.

>>4435286
> Takano
> mildly fucked up
That's quite an understatement.

>>4435278
Takano is a monster, the crappy past she had didn't justify shit.
It's like saying that Hitler wasn't a monster because he was mildly fucked up and needed a hug.

There's no good reason to destroy an entire village or to kill 16 people.

>>4435306
Ok so a bit of mild rape may have screwed her up a bit.

>>4435297
"Jessie" is just a persona. Jessica may act differently at school than at home, but her feelings don't change. According to >>4434677, Beatrice's creator made her to take on the feelings she wished to get rid of, not just to act differently.

Though I'm no expert at psychology, so I guess it might be possible for someone to get so into a role that their thought processes actually change to match those of the role they're playing, and it does become a different personality of sorts.

>>4435320
Nah, she just snapped out, out of love for her ''grandfather''.

In the end all she really needed was a hug and someone who would comfort her, stop her and save her from herself.

Takano was never a monster, a monster dont have feelings and she's not ill, her problems are simply human.

>>4435286
>just to remember the time it took for R07 to explain everything to Beatrice's seiyuu.

Hmmm? What's this, now?

>>4435365
The problem begins when people start speaking that Personas can go on killing themselves, fighting and having different sets of memorys.

A person can create a mask for themselves, a person can dump memorys and feelings into the depth of their minds(if they call it dumping into ''beatrice'' or whatever so be it) but from this to actually having DID is a long stretch.

Also the undressing and redressing would have to be fucking godlike.

>>4435365
(I guess the key part of the monologue for this is when the speaker says that Beatrice is no longer part of her. The speaker is making a mental distinction between herself and Beatrice, not just creating "Beatrice" as a mask.)

>>4435372
Murderers have feelings you know.
The worst dictators have feelings, they even love their own family.
They are still monsters, there's no "reason" one can give to do such an unilateral, cruel choices killing so much people.

You are trying to justify the destruction of an entire village and the deaths of countless people because a woman simply snapped.
Sure would be a great argument in a court.

>>4435392
It apparently took two hours for R07 to explain the whole truth of Umineko to Sayaka Ohara. And Ohara is pretty clever, apparently, so it's not like he had to take the time to explain every little bit of things.

>>4435392
According to the blog of Sayaka Ohara, who is Beatrice's seiyuu, she was taught the answers by Ryuukishi at last October and it took 2 hours.

>>4435422
That still isnt how DID works. I can surely accept something creating another beings inside themselves, but its not DID, and personas cant die.

Its simple as that.

>>4435441
I bet Takano took all the blame, Okonogi walks of scot free.

>>4435441
To someone without love she would just seem a monster, but with love it can be seen that she's only human.

Wasnt that the main point of EP4?

>>4435446
Well, shit.

>>4435462
That's where the "Magical DID" theory comes in. You could also call it "Delusional DID" if you wanted to be loveless. Basically, the creator created a different person inside herself, but believed that person to be someone other than her, and not just a figment of her imagination. As someone else said, it's just like how Maria created Sakutarou inside the stuffed lion Rosa gave her, with the difference being that the person is creating this new being using themself as the "vessel", so to speak, rather than using an external object as a vessel.

If both the created (or imaginary, if you prefer) person and the original believe that the created one can take control at times, then the created one will be able to take control of the original's body, even though normally, a figment of someone's imagination shouldn't be able to take over their body.

>>4435486
No, the point of Episode 4, in that regard, was to show that Eva probably was not the culprit of Episode 3 after all.

Matching motherfucking capes.

>>4435626
that cape doesn't fit beato, she should wear a more effeminate one

>>4435585
Read between the lines etc

>>4435585
I don't know about Eva still, Ep4 cleared up a few things but point still stands that something in Ep1 went well funny.
Why did Krauss etc end up in the shed & why is everything about Eva & Hideyoshi so well dubious.

>>4435486
Motivations don't mean shit.
Most everyone has a good motivation, when it comes down to it.
If Shannon thought that by slaughtering everyone she could go to happy fun land, then that's just super, doesn't change the fact that she is evil as fuck.

>>4435486
Now that's just bullshit.
Love or no love, she clearly made the choices which can never be justified.

>>4435679
If anything, Hideyoshi is the one who is most likely to have been responsible for the first twilight of Episode 1.

Hell, do you remember Eva's little talk with Battler? Eva automatically became the most suspicious person after the first twilight of Episode 1, but Eva is far too smart to let things happen like that. If Eva had been the culprit, she would have done things to make it look like someone else was.

...Kyrie would likely also follow that tactic, if she were the culprit.

>>4435687
Oh, here's a cheery thought. In episode two, the only way for Shannon to have pulled off the murder would be to have her dragged Jessica's corpse to her room, disguise it as her own, and blow a huge hole in it.

Yeah. I sure feel for Shannon here. She sure is a victim, isn't she?

God-tier artist.

>>4435711
I still think that weird thing with the red text in Episode 2 implies that Jessica wasn't actually dead.

>>4435709
The only thing that stops Kyrie is the first twilight & i'm just wondering if there is anyway around it at all.
She just doesn't strike me as a victim.

>>4435730
Well, Jessica could be involved, but the only other way for episode two to work besides that whole clusterfuck is for Shannon to do such a thing.

Seriously, if Shkanontrice is doing that.... I feel no remorse or sorrow for her.
There's slaughtering people because you are crazy, and then there's just cruel actions.

>>4435758
people said the same about Takano in Higurashi
and still she's pitiable

>>4435773
Like hell she is!
HEY SATOKO WHAT COLOR IS THIS VEGATABLE?
BOOM HEADSHOT!

No, Beatrice has been built up to be a noble figure, but right now, the MOST she has going for her is MEAN OL MR. KINZO;_:

>>4435773
Takano was affected by Hinamizawa Syndrome, though.

...And actually, do we know how long it was that she'd been at one of the higher levels of the syndrome? She may have been at a higher level without even knowing it for a while before the events of Higurashi.

>>4435773
Takano? Pitable? She's a monster. A complete, and utter, monster. Which is why we love her, but she's an evil bitch.

>>4435773
But Takano was always kind of creepy.

>>4435813
I don't think Kinzo was that bad.

>>4435824
you skipped her whole past, she was completely fucked up because all that shit that had happended to her
there are shitty lives, Takan was beyond them
if seeing (half of) your father die, go to an orphanage where you are tortured and raped constantly is not bad and then see how the only person important to you is made fun of the work of his life....
she was a good girl

>>4435837
I know.
Which is why, if Shkanontrice is doing this, all on her own violation, she's not someone I pity.
Really. Good job staking everyone to death, genius. Way to betray...well,,, everyone!

>>4435837
Kanon was apparently fond of Kinzo as well. Kinzo apparently took Kanon out hunting, and basically treated him like a grandfather is supposed to treat his grandson(s). ...And it seems Kinzo had a mischievous side to him as well; iirc, Kanon states in his recollection of Kinzo in Episode 6 that Kinzo liked to play pranks on the family.

>>4435851
She was never shown to be raped. Tortured, yes, but if one knew pain, and death, isn't it all the more evil for one to murder, and torture?

>>4435866
Yeah. Which makes me think that there has to be someone else at play here. Or, Shkanontrice is just a jerk. A huge, murdering, jerk!

>>4435875
she was never shown, but it's implied that most kids were raped there
also as someone here posted, she was being affected by the hinamizawa syndrome, to the point she reached level five just at the end of matsuribayashi

>>4435909
Meh, she planned this shit out in advance, and the disease is fast-acting, she's not off the hook.

>>4435925
Takano gave the orders but a CEO carried out the murder.

>>4435925
the disease is not 'that' fast acting, only acts fact under sever stress, she had like three months since the official notification of the closure and the actual thing, meanwhile the hinamizawa syndrome made her a bit crazier to the point she gassed a whole village just because

>>4435851
Yeah but once again, no matter how pitiful her past was, nothing justifies what she did.
Nothing justify the killing of innocent people.

>>4435999
For someone that lives in only one world its impossible to forgive her.
For someone that dont know her, her past, her good parts and that she never felt pleasure killing people(until reaching L5) she's just a monster.
But for someone with love it can be seen and it can be forgiven.

Somehow Umineko is about that. Beatrice is the culprit, she goes on batshit killing people everywhere. But she's human, she loves, she breathes, she feel pain, she feel sorrow and even if all the world wouldnt forgive her for what she had done she wanted for just one person to forgive her.

Battler.

>>4436077
Boohoo.
So battler pussies out because of pussy.

>>4436077
Forgive her? Oh, she tried to put the blame on HIM.

BECUZ OF UR SIN PEOPLE DIE.

No, because you're a batshit insane murderer, people die. Because George and Jessica loved you, they died. Because Natsuhi, Krauss, and the family trusted you, they too died.

Not because Battler charmed your selfish ass twelve years ago.

>>4436108
>twelve

But you do make a good point. Battler can't help who he charms.

>>4436108
Er, sorry, I mean, 6 years ago.
But yeah, you murder a bunch of innocent people, you ain't a good guy. Not in the slightest.

Could someone show me the interview where Ryukishi said that Erika is a "good girl" please?

>>4436077
> even if all the world wouldn't forgive her for what she had done she wanted for just one person to forgive her.
I thought it was Bernkastel who wanted that.

>>4436148
Says as much in her image song, yeah.
....Which oddly enough doubles as Jessica and Kanon's theme.

If Battler and Bern aren't fucking like rabbits by the time this game is over I wasted a lot of my life.

>>4436184
Battler already has a waifu though.

>>4436240
in EVERY sense of the word

>>4436240
And Bernkastel's already claimed by Lambda.

>>4436184
Not even Ryukishi would do that.

Yes, I am putting it past him.

>>4436293
>Beatrice not on top

Nope.