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for the love of god someone upload

>>44308232
check the other thread.

I don't trust threads with people from /v/. I'll wait for ZUN to press the Steam or Dlsite buttons tomorrow instead.

>>44308263

it's out on steam you dingus

>>44308263
>Steam
It literally just released there

>>44308289
>>44308306
When anon said check the other thread I thought he just meant that a dump was there! Holy shit!

Is there a character with a sword, or similar tool they can swing in-game?

Link is no mine, it's from /v/. I have just tried it, works.

https://mega.nz/file/JRxkWSZL#QEMC8fwUjB1d6t7eVJtnuji8I1laTO4MlX7b8Vatxjs

>>44308225
These new characters are wild

How am I supposed to play the game?
I don't understand how I'm supposed to hit the enemy and what charging does, how to fill the charge, what freezing the animals do

>>44308600
Anon, you just shoot and graze and use the meter sort of like you'd use bombs.
The AI will eventually fuck up and lose her lives and then you win.

>>44308698
the AI just automatically dies if you kill the boss attacks, between that and the auto barrier system the game is really easy

How do I unlock the online VS mode ?

>>44308768
You need to unlock every character for local VS mode, which you can do by clearing the first 4 characters' stories

>>44308768
>online

>>44308453
Thanks for sharing!

WHERE IS MIMA?

>>44308840
no mima.

>>44308225
bros?

Where's the eng patch?

>>44308857
Sexhu

>>44308868
evil Minoriko

>>44308857
Could this be Mima with a disguise?

>>44308921
she's kaguya.

>>44308928
woah I see

>>44308745
What's auto-barrier?
I found the game really easy as Reimu, since her L2 cancels bullets. Marisa was much harder. How the hell is this balanced?
Also, does the game randomly eat your inputs? I died like twice to this as Marisa.

>>44309115
I can't presee when a bullet will kill me or only slow down me...

Does 1cc even matter in this game? Do I get different endings of I don't continue?

So what happened to the chinese zodiac theory? Where's the pig 2hu?

>>44308857
What flower is that?

>>44309115
Some characters are just terrible. Wait until you play Sanae

>>44309154
I dunno if there's a visual cue for it, but in story mode you start every stage with a barrier. Get hit, and you lose it/get stunned for a second. To get the barrier back, you either take an actual hit and lose a heart, or send a level 3/4 attack.
Since your goal in story mode is to shoot down the boss sprites the enemy sends, you should primarily be sending level 3 attacks whenever you lose your barrier, and preserve your hearts

>>44309267
Sanae is a god

>>44308225
Do we know if comiket version has crossplay with steam version for online play? If not the online is going to die unless we choose a version to all play on.

>>44308857
she reminds me of this flower
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoria_ternatea

>>44308453
>no replay mode
What the fuck? This is the perfect game for a replay mode.

What exactly is making my max meter increase? Is it grazing or just hitting bullets with the aura?
I can't tell which one it is

>>44308453
>ver0.01a
This is the fucking demo

>>44309267
I just did. What the fuck is this?
Are we gonna get balance patches? Can you pick a whole deck of cards for VS or something to try to fix unplayable characters?

>>44309512
1.00a
go back to your ice pond and learn to read dummy

>>44309286
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoria_ternatea
It's a japanese iris.

>>44309495
I know for a fact that scoping bullets increases it

>>44308857
worst design he's ever put out, holy shit what a waste

I'm betting money she's the new Medicine, she's going to show up once and be forgotten by everyone, ZUN included

fighting yachie as aunn is absolute bullshit

>>44309780
Sanae sucks so much against Yachie. Was this even playtested?

What even is the strat in story mode? Does summoning my own boss attack even do anything? I feel like the battles just go on until I got hit by enough boss attacks and then the enemy just instantly dies.

>>44309763
For the best.

>>44309865
From what I can tell the AI has a preset pattern of EX attack and Boss attacks it'll throw at you. You need to beat the last boss attack to win. Throwing out your own EX or boss attacks restores your bubble shield and advances the pattern (e.g. the enemy will throw out the next EX/boss attack on their list).

So the strat is to fill your meter and spam EX attacks

>Grazing generates meter
>AI in VS mode has graze hax up the ass
>As soon as there's enough bullets on screen their meter is perma full and they drown you in a sea of EX attacks
>Nothing you can do to stop this

Thank you ZUN, very cool

>not even at least one returning character from pc-98

zun is a disgrace

>>44310097
It's disappointing but didn't he already say that he's retired the PC98 characters, so it's not really suprising

>>44310280
People keep pretending that never happened and also ignore the fact that Yuka immediately fell off after Touhou 9.

>>44310097
I think I heard about Orange being mentioned somewhere in the story. Not sure though.

Sanae is pretty bad in this game...just shoot the boss please, why are all your options shooting to the left and right...

>>44310298
Nonsense, Yuuka is in this Forbidden Scrollery spread!

>>44310333
It's so yuukover...

>>44309763
>worst design he's ever put out
You don't like cheongsams? The only bad part is the purple flowers over her eyes, she'd be cute otherwise.

>>44310309
We are so back gengebros, we are so back

>>44310321
her shot is total fucking bs here but using blue meter to clear the screen and shooting the boss (if that's what you're trying to hit) when there's nothing else on the screen kind of, sometimes, occasionally, helps

Yuuma got a spork attack as her level 1, Youmu is officially replaced

>>44310573
purple meter. apologies. pretty sure there's no use for blue meter on sanae and there never will be

>>44310613
My favourite strat with her is just holding X the whole time and spamming boss and EX attacks. Very true to her character.

>>44310650
The slowdown from the aura and the bullet cancel on her swing allowed me to pointblank a couple boss attacks, like the final bosses final pattern, and Yachie's turtle shell pattern. I love Yuuma!

I've uploaded the whole OST as individual FLAC files for anyone interested.
https://mega.nz/folder/2sIQRSiQ#k25rlqGqL_p5MXslchUFgg

So what is all this unfinished dream and living ghost business?

>>44311305
it's kinda like airplane food

Why does every game have to take place in hell now this shit's getting boring

>>44311385
MIMA IS COMING

>>44311385
The games always worked in arcs, next game will probsbly have a different plotline

>>44311385
ZUN's way of telling the fanbase to calm down with the horny or else they go to hell

>>44311414
but this game has china dress leggy touhou. or does zun think it does not count because he's the creator?

>>44311422
ZUN have an insider there, he'll be fine

>>44311146
Do you have the character portraits as well?

>>44311414
It just makes the coomers want to go to hell being that there's more Hell2hus to coom to down there

Some of the shot types make clearing enemies and bosses a real pain. Grapehu has her options chase after enemies which just lowers her damage when a boss attack is going on.

>>44310097
So are most of as a fanbase with the whole "OmG ApOlaGiZe tO TrAnNy FoX"
Like seriously if this is what get brougth up anytime someone tried to talk about Ran in 19...........................

>>44311497
No I've only spent a little time extracting the OST since it's easy to do

>>44311546
I appreciate it. The oni's theme is really striking in-game, so I want to listen to it normally to see if it's as good.

>>44311497
thtk doesn't work on images for some reason (the demo was ok)

I like how the game is more structured, where you'll go through specific boss attacks until you beat them, but I'm not so sure about there only being 6 stages. Feels really short. And a lot of gameplay decisions are kinda meh, there's always going to be specific routes and not random character encounters, right?

So how does the AI work?
I feel like it's on a timer, having infinite grazehax until it just reaches a point after which it runs into the closest bullet it can find.

>>44311636
For story mode see >>44309977
For VS mode my observations point to the same thing as you. Except since it has grazehax it just gets a billon meter for free, spams EX/bosses at three times the rate of the player, has perma shield because of it and thus never dies.

>>44311636
In PoFV the AI worked exactly like that unless it was on Lunatic which made it possible for AI battles to take hours to finish. Only Medicine was able to mess up the AI completely.

TOO MANY EFFECT, I CAN'T SEE SHIT
ZUN YOU ASSHOLE

Has anyone tried online?
I gave it a shot, but the framerate pretty much dies completely, I've had matches with 30fps at best, 5fps at worst.

>>44311714
I haven't tried it in the full version yet because I literally just woke up and bought the game, but in the demo online matches would desync within like 10 seconds. I assume we're gonna have to wait for fan patches like with PoFV before it's actually playable.

>>44311714
Sounds like my demo experience, unfortunately.

>>44311714
just tried, framerate was shit, closed the game after one minute

this has been one of the worst Touhou game launches I have ever seen. this game is just bug-ridden to hell

I just want PC98 to get a single win for once. Doesn't need to be Mima, doesn't even need to be a main game. It's a neat era and I wouldn't mind something that gives it a bit more recognition.

>>44311816
Can ZUN get some sort of backlash for this? This game needed much more work done than it had.

>>44311920
No, you LITERALLY cannot criticize ZUN at all. I remember making a thread about criticizing ZUN's newest games being full of bugs and I also commented on how I believed that this was due to ZUN havibg a family now and being less enthusiastic to work on the Touhou games and they really got pissed for some reason. I tried to be as nice as possiblw and made sure I was using correct Japanese but they simply cannot handle criticism of ZUN.

>>44311816
What system are you running it on?
I was wondering if it was just because I was using WINE to run the game that there was just graphics shitting itself and the framerate going bonkers the longer you play.
>>44311946
But like he's totally not entitled to make a good product because he's an indie dev or something and he's literally starving.

>>44311918
Maybe if the PC98 fumos will sell a lot, ZUN will realize that people actually care about that era. Copium, I know...

>>44311970
Windows 10, modern hardware

>>44311975
Maybe ZUN will throw a bone with an experimental remix of a PC98 track in one of the CDs, but I highly doubt we'll actually see anything more than that.

>>44311918
Iirc ZUN was ashamed of his pc-98 games and didn't deem them "finished" (his words). I'm sure he wants nothing to do with them anymore.

>>44311816
Touhou games have always been music CDs with an exposition dump and complementary game but I'm very disappointed that zero effort was put into netplay. ZUN knew full well there would be lots of international players buying the game since it's on Steam and I'm sure there's hundreds of indie devs out there who would help him write good netcode, but it's just as bad as PoFV. Huge shame because the phantasmorgia games are the only mainline titles I really care about since they're really fun to play with friends, guess I'll just have to wait for fan patches.

>>44312042
They hated Him because He spoke the truth.

>>44308225
Kuraunpisu is unlockable rite

>>44312174
No, but some other hu wearing a Hecatia shirt is

>>44312188
>no Kurapi
>no fishe
>no fairies at all

Suika
Orin
Tsukasa
Yuuma
If just one of these characters are good then I'm happy. Dunno everyone's opinions on the roster but it's got a lot to like for me

>>44312218
>no fishe
A tragedy.
>no Kurapi
>no fairies at all
Being honest here, why would they be in this game's animal-themed lineup?
Reimu and Marisa are there because of course they are, but all 12 of the other returnees can be linked to animals, except maybe Suika.

>>44312244
watermelons are animals

>>44312240
Yuuma seems really strong

>>44312271

>>44312276

>>44312288
where are her tails?

>>44312288

>>44312276
funny gote squat

>>44309763
I can't believe someone has tastes this awful.

>>44312302

>>44312312
And that's all the characters who haven't got recent ZUNart that weren't in the demo.

I don't like how ZUN draw noses now

>>44312019
does zun just hate every pc-98 character except for alice and yuuka? because, if he does, it makes for a good excuse as to why he doesn't want to bring anyone else back.

but i'm willing to be optimistic and say that he HAS to have a soft spot for some characters, right? in which case, why not just reboot them? he's already proven with alice and yuuka that he could easily do it.

he doesn't even have to make them recurrent characters; just give them SOME recognition, dammit.

>>44312323

The art is very bad

>>44312333

>>44312271
zun please we already have fuckton of blondhu please don't turn suika into yet another one

>>44312341

>>44312351

>>44312351
>yuugi kimono design
>sex fox
>whaletits
>now this grapehu
seems like zun experience his second puberty perhaps

>>44312276
teh baphomet of DOOOOM *holds up spork*

>>44312351
Does she remove the stupid thing from her head?

>>44312346
I don't really know where this idea that Suika isn't blond came from. She definitely wasn't an outright ginger. At best, she had a dark/dirty blond color. Can be reflected with her against Yukari in IaMP.
Her sprite in IaMP also has decisively yellow/blond hair, which this is most similar too. Being ginger was probably more a question of Alphes' style.

>>44312398

>>44310321
I felt the same way. Her defensive profile period is really bad in a game where you can easily get overwhelmed (bad shot, level 2 doesn't fix anything, her scope is mediocre), and the trash she generates for the opponent doesn't seem all too threatening either. Might end up being bottom tier.

Of the characters I've tried so far in the full release:
Reimu still invalidates bosses and her offense is still really good
Marisa is a very solid character with nothing that's too broken
Sanae sucks
Ran seems ok, her gimmick will probably have some really useful applications in the hands of a smarter player than myself
Rin has absurd offensive potential but her gameplan is fragile and she's pretty bad defensively outside of her insane clear potential
Mamizou's gimmick will either be useless or cancer. I'm not sure.

>>44312351
I love (hate) that you can still see a bit of her eyes instead of having them entirely hidden which would have made her 200% sexier. It's like ZUN is just too afraid to draw a 2hu without eyes for some ungodly reason

>>44308453
Can't open it, oxc000007b error

>>44312422
I'm halfway sure that whether they're hidden or not depends on the sprite's expression

>>44312422
I love the eye peek, gives her a distinct flavor from your typical "bangs covering the eyes" type of design.

>>44312440
I think that's the most hidden they get, another one of her portraits shows both eyes peeking more
I like it though

>>44312351
>power is to stalk and chase people down without fail
>coerces people into going to hell by offering them part of her paycheck (this somehow works)
>gets off on her boss scolding her for insubordination
is this the most explicitly sexual 2hu ZUN has crafted?

>>44312455
But Yuuka exists????????????????????

>>44312398
>At best, she had a dark/dirty blond color
It's practically straddled between ginger and dirty blond so it's nitpicking at this point
>Her sprite in IaMP also has decisively yellow/blond hair, which this is most similar too
Even in your pic her hair is a light brown color, and in IaMP her hair is still looks darker blond than your average blondhu sprite
So even if Suika is a blonde, her hair's color was never that bright like Marisa or Yukari

>>44312441
Love this type of design!

>>44312436
Win7? Throwing these .dll files into the game folder worked for me.
https://files.catbox.moe/dkri9h.7z

>>44311946
It seems to me that he doesn't have many playtesters these days, judging by the credits.
Which is a shame, because I'm sure he could get hundreds of qualified people to give him detailed feedback. He's become complacent, for whatever reason. A lot of people can manage to both have a job and a family, so I'm not sure it's that.
I can forgive him for the netcode, but I can't forgive how bad some of the characters feel to play.

he seriously fucking sucks at coloring digitally. you can literally see where he just scribbles with black or white with a 50% opacity brush.
can someone please buy him watercolors or markers or whatever he used to use

>>44310321
Using her level 2 as close as possible to bosses is pretty effective I suppose.
Of course Reimu does that better though lol

>>44312341
HOT MONKEY SEX

>>44312484
windows10, that didn't work

>>44312489
>He's become complacent, for whatever reason.
Got a taste of the licensing and gacha money in full force. He's basically set for life and knows he can get away with half hearting it now since it's the series' legacy that'll carry it through thick and thin.

>>44312288
>the shading
>those hands
>no tails
I don't understand why he doesn't just do sketches and get someone else to do the final CGs at this point like for the boss sprites. I don't want to be a doomsayer because the music and writing are still fine but god damn his digital art is just not doing it.

>>44311946
You sure that's not just posters online being too weak to handle criticism?

>>44312478
That's one eye concealed, one eye in full view. Completely different design direction, tourist-kun.

Everyone ignores the fucking final boss, kek.

>old characters
>>44312271
>>44312276
>>44312312
amazing, definitive zunart
>>44312288
>>44312302
close but needs work
>new characters (i don't understand any of them yet)
>>44312351
i expected a hair-in-face 2hu, not a flower-in-face 2hu. some part of me deep down wants to say the next touhou game may be about flowers again. i still like them, though i feel as if this slot was originally intended for himemushi given their danmaku.
>>44312341
wild design. who is this bootleg greek kunimitsu ooya and why does she use the french fry?
>>44312333
>ay yo i shiggy diggy
what was ZUN thinking???? this is either going to be the most forgettable character or immediately going to be elevated to shitpost tier, it's like s4s has a 2hu representation now
>>44312359
eye catching in a lot of ways despite having a realtively generic design, especially in relation to suika being in the game
>>44312323
no comment. i want to say it's a stupid design, but i don't understand the character, it's too soon to say if it's truly bad.
post more new art (sprites)?

>>44312300
she never had tails except when in cat form

>>44312609
WRONG (inb4 not canon because it's a twilight frontier game)

>>44312288
ah... do you think chen helps her do her nails? ran confirmed in-game that the two play a lot now.

>>44312605
>this is either going to be the most forgettable character or immediately going to be elevated to shitpost tier, it's like s4s has a 2hu representation now
her hobbies consist of chilling in hell and drinking blood from the hell of blood pools, she is absolutely going straight to shitpost icon

ze son goku is real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!

>>44312302
It's been 20 years since Ran had a new portrait.

>>44312620
canon enough
her tails be like Aya's wings everyone draws it except ZUN

At this point, I'm just spamming Yuuma's spork swipe and win matches without firing a single bullet.

Some of the shot types in this game are really questionable. Why does the Sex Fox shoot backwards? There isn't even any sort of reward for getting into a position where you hit something with that since the damage is lower than her forward shot. It's not even some sort of extra safety because just about nothing actually comes from below.

>>44312794
Tsukasa being a huge bitch for no reason is perfectly in character, though.

>>44312415
>Rin has absurd offensive potential

How ? I couldn't get her shot to do any damage, LV1 was awful but her LV2 seemed decent enough

>No Touhou98 character made a comeback
What a wasted potential, guess I don't have anything to look forward to in 2hu anymore.

>>44313016
No PC98 character has made a comeback in Touhou since Touhou 9, if you're still seriously "waiting for a comeback" then you're retarded
All you'll get to subsist on are Yuuka and Alice cameos in the print works.

Tsukasa's arms in her ending...couldn't screenshot for some reason

Is throwing a boss at the enemy even something you should do? It seems to be quite useless given as to how they just dodge everything.

has anyone anywhere started dumping/transcripting the story mode text? cant find anything on the jp wikis

>>44312940
Offense in a game like this is her ability to put pressure on the opponent's side of the screen, and her really good EX along with a LV2 that can rake up combo quickly gives her really good offensive presence. You are right though that her shot it bad.

>>44313057
That makes sense, though I feel her EX is only good against human players because it's just hard to see

>>44313043
In story mode it doesn't seem to matter. Even in VS I don't think so. LV3 and LV4 both give you your shield back and don't seem to change anything else.
Basically, LV2 if it has bullet cancelling abilities (Reimu and Yuuma only? Orin I guess to an extent), LV3 if you lose your shield, LV1 if it can do decent damage to boss. Rather simple but still more complicated than PoDD's boss reversal or PoFV's LV2 spam.

>>44313043
In story mode each boss seems to have a set amount of Extra and Boss attacks and you win by surviving enough of the Boss attacks. If you use your own, the enemy will use theirs earlier. But there seems to be no reason to ever use your own boss attack when a story boss has her own one already active.

>>44313077
>>44313144
It's going to be very rough for me to unlock other characters then, Sanae is painful to play with without her lvl2.

>>44313160
I should have clarified, even LV2s should be used if they have good killing ability. Point blanking a boss with Sanae's LV2 seems pretty good, not as good as Reimu but nothing is.
I think that's your best bet with her.

>>44313160
You can unlock characters even if using continues by the way.

Story mode feels phoned in mechanically in since it doesn't actually depend on assaulting the opponent yet keeps up the multiplayer health display, and then multiplayer itself is only playable locally because the netcode is fucked. What the fuck is ZUN's problem and why did he not just have Tasofro handle more of the game's development?

>>44313056
It's getting added in bits and pieces to the thcrap wiki:
https://www.thpatch.net/wiki/Th19#Main_Story
It should all be on there in a few days.

so what's the story in this game? some oni woman&co wants to take control of Gensokyo?

how the hell the bar charge works?
sometimes it dont fill and sometimes it fill very fast
and sometimes I "die" and it fill up
how does this work

>>44313244
Human-Oni sent the three cover characters to fight for the Matriarchs so that they would continue to squabble amongst themselves instead of any of them gaining complete control.
I think.

>>44313244
New Hell is getting full (same problem old hell has)
Three animal gang leaders (Saki, Yachie and Yuuma) want to invade Gensokyo & Old Hell to expand their territory there.
In Lotus Eaters, Suika and Yuugi tried to get Yuuma to fuck off from Old Hell but we're not sure that worked.
So now it escalates.
Zanmu manipulates all three into fighting each other, so Gensokyo's residents can easily just beat them back into hell.
Don't know where Tsukasa's story starts playing into it though, given she asks her with killing Reimu for some reason.
Suika is in the game for the same reason she acted up in that Lotus Eaters chapter.

>>44313358
old hell had* until they made new hell, which is what Zanmu got them to move to. With some oni staying behind to run old hell (namely, the 4 devas)

>>44313328
There are tiny dark blue orbs that fill the meter.

>>44313367
It's curious how despite being a deva, Kasen has just fucked off entirely from Hell affairs to do her hermit-not actually a hermit thing. I guess you could attribute it to wanting to distance herself from who she was as Ibaraki Douji, but you'd think she'd at least have some lingering attachment to the other devas. I doubt it will be addressed in Lotus Eaters since it's primarily about Miyoi and Suika's relationship, but maybe in the next manga?

>>44313367
Why do sporks exist in Gensokyo?
They are a fairly recent creation.

>>44313208
It's pretty weird because the enemy can still get hit, I heard the death sound in one of the battles but the AI just instantly bombed and didn't lose a life. Happened in my Mamizou playthrough.

>>44313416
It's kind of weird, but strangely enough the first patent for a spork precedes the sealing of Gensokyo.

>>44313406
She does have some attachment, she got to borrow Yuugi's sake dish in one WaHH chapter for example, even if it was off-screen.

>>44313419
I've seen the AI lose a life. It seems like they are still programmed to eventually get hit after a certain period of time like previous VS games.
Strange thing is, you can just time out all the bosses, can't you? I know timing out the final pattern counts as defeating the boss, so I'm assuming you can just pacifist the whole game. In that case I bet it's impossible to have the AI actually lose all its hearts.

>>44313358
>New Hell is getting full (same problem old hell has)
How? The modern Hell was supposed to be fuckhuge to the point where there's too much space, if anything. If even that isn't enough, trying to invade Gensokyo wouldn't make much of a difference, since they'd fill it up almost immediately.
Is ZUN just retconning stuff left and right again?

>>44312359
Probably the most forgettable final boss since... Eh... Sariel.

>>44313456
Maybe I'm forgetting something, but it could just be that the animal gang leaders (who are, in large part, the instigators of this incident) wanted to expand their territory into Gensokyo and Zanmu didn't like that.

>>44313461
I think she will be remembered for her sans undertale bone spears

>>44313503
>she has gaster blasters
holy shit

>>44308225
The last 2hu games have been very lazy and boring.
I had no expectations for this one because I never enjoyed the phantasmagoria gameplay but the fact that ZUN didn't even bother to improve the netplay despite knowing full well that it was gonna be released on Steam is just insulting.
The new character designs are either unoriginal or too generic looking.
Maybe UM was a fluke and ZUN has really lost his touch.

>>44313480
Yeah, that'd make way more sense.
Them trying to seize power for its own sake and/or trying to secure an advantage over the others would be a reasonable motivation.

Plus, if it really was a hell-wide issue, I can't imagine that the Yama and/or Hecatia wouldn't get involved, unless Zan-chan is already working for/with one of them.

Wait are you guys saying the AI actually takes hits? I've never encountered that, I thought timing out the spell cards was the only way to beat them...
>>44313503
Unfortunate because she's very cool otherwise
>>44313538
He needs to spend more time working on the games instead of rushing for the next con, if he had to delay a game I'm sure the fanbase would forgive him anyway so I have no idea why he is like this pumping out buggy code

you guys said UM was the worst touhou ever
and now this

>>44313613
my brother in christ this is 4chan, anons will claim the newest anything is the worst of its kind

>>44313613
When LeLK released it was panned here as the worst 2hu ever

>>44313613
True OGs will remember UFO being absolutely terrible and ruining the franchise with the UFO gimmick. All the fault of Alphes somehow btw.

>>44313628
and it still is.
I wanna be the guy cancer was never good.

>>44313635
But that's LoLK

You know this game is ass because people would rather talk about the story than the gameplay.

i'm ok with the shit roster, but zun atleast could have tryed coding in some online multiplayer

>>44313639
this always happens

>>44313663
When UM released people were talking about the gameplay for weeks because of the different card combinations and stuff.

>>44313639
people will probably talk about the gameplay more when fan patches come out for netplay and we can actually fucking play it together, it's primarily a multiplayer game and the story mode is kind of ass

>>44313677
the story mode of the tasofro fighting games was pretty good

Suffice to say the shmup genre of video games was more impressive 2 decades ago, but gradually became more underwhelming with each passing year as ZUN continuosly uses outdated mechanics for the games he comes up with

It's really hard to even tell which characters are good or not because the AI will never get hit anyway until she decides to suicide. All I am certain of is that Sanae has an absolute shit shot for dealing with bosses, the grape also struggles with bosses and the goat has the best charged shot in the game since it can just delete boss patterns

>>44313658
The roster is pretty great

>>44313613
I don't remember UM being panned that much. Everyone just hated Chimata for some reason.

What do the barely visible orbs enemies drop do? I think collecting them leads to bullets being spawned on the opponent's screen but I couldn't tell.

>>44313751
They refill the meter you need in order to use your special attacks.

>>44313658
Why do people keep saying the roster is shit?

>>44313757
Ohh, ok. Thanks. I thought grazing was the only way to build meter.

>>44312302
I like the portrait and the pose is nice, but I like her face and coloration much more in her original PCB portrait. Old art is a classic and something was lost over the years. I'm just glad she finally got attention and got out from under Yukari's shadow, having a protag slot in a mainline game was more than I was expecting.

>>44313775
Their favorite Touhou didn't get in.

>>44313787
I assumed that's the only reason. Most of my favorites didn't get in but I can appreciate that some did and the sheer size of it at the very least.

>>44313737
A third of her spellcards are timeouts, one of which is her opener, and due to the nature of UM's cards you either shred through her in seconds with offensive ones or she damage sponges for a long while if you have mostly defensive/passive ones. Not to mention her non-spells are all laughably easy due to how small amulet hitboxes are. I love UM, but Chimata is a pretty bad closer.

where do the newhus place on the chart?

>>44314105
He'll let us know sooner than later, right?

RIN YOU'RE TOO FAST
I CANT PROPER DODGE LIKE THIS, RIN PLEASE SLOW DOWN

>>44308396
Yuuma swings her spork

>>44314230
still better than nazrin

>>44313503
Based Toby Fox inventing skeletons for Touhou to steal.

>>44313633
UFO is still the worst mainline Touhou game if you don't count PC98

>>44314359
Damn I didn't know he's a Mima fans!

>>44314370
If he actually was ZUN would have added her to the game.
Toby has ZUN wrapped around his gaijin fingers and he's slowly going to inject his shit tastes into the series. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_XYELcBJA8&t=1023s
Chad ending showers vs virgin vtumor hiders

>>44314388
Stop being paranoid, retard.

>>44314388
I know I'm making the mistake of replying to a schizo but it should be known that toby and ZUN have been corresponding since at least 2017 (UT's official JP release after which it became extremely popular over there).

>>44314433
It's already happening. He convinced ZUN to remix his dog shit psuedo-Touhou theme from his dog shit game, and he convinced ZUN to make Ran a main character. It's over. Expect a new doghu to show up in Touhou 20 to talk about how Japan is problematic and cringe.

>>44314438
The poison is slow to set in, but that makes it no less potent.

>>44314433
It's just another boogeyman retards can drum up to derail threads with. Like suddenly we're supposed to hate Ran's inclusion despite Ranfag anons wanting her to be relevant again for years.

>>44314416
Two characters standing next to eachother, wow. This is what they don't want me to see?

>>44314444
Just kill yourself already niggerpill.

>>44314444
>how Japan is problematic and cringe
They are tho
YWNBJ

>>44314462
I don't know if I should pity you or envy you, blind anon.

I'm kinda working on translating the game as I play, does anyone want me to post what I have? I just got through Reimu's story. Can't guarantee the quality though, I have to keep a dictionary out b/c my kanji is ass.

>>44314469
Post dialogue from the new girls. I have no idea what their characters and personality are like.

>>44314467
YWABJ(ewish)

>>44314469
flip through this dump first and then post/corroborate anything neat you find: https://twitter.com/richard_effendi/status/1690729825240031232

>>44314469
please do ability cards as you come across them
it's never really clear what they give you unless it's a shot card

>>44314499
Trying not to spoil myself too much as I go. That being said, I looked, and I'm more working on a word for word sort of thing, not character tidbits.
>>44314536
I was kinda just scanning them to get the gist but I can post actual translations. Probably done for the day though, is there a good place I can drop a text file?

>>44313639
The gameplay is borderline mindless with the bajillion of bullet thrown on screen with random pattern amounting to "just dodge bro" and the CPU grazehax all of your attack
the online play sucks massive dick either

what is the counterplay to orin's ex attack other than be reimu

This bitch actually just straight up breaks the game, holy shit.

Nazrin fucking sucks.

>>44314835
Nazrin is pretty thoroughly mediocre but I think she's still better off than Sanae.

>>44313456
Could be due to reservations. Lunarians can't skirt the rules forever.

>>44314854
Is Reimu the only overall good character in the game?

>>44315010
Reimu's straight up busted. Not only does her level 2 basically delete half the screen but it also deletes entire health bars up close. The standard for "good" should be somebody else.

>>44315010
Nah. Chiyari is genuinely the single most broken character in any of the Touhou vs shmups to date, and her unfair offense completely nullifies her few downsides.
Enoko, HIsami, Mamizou, Suika and of course Reimu all also have a lot of potential to be really good. Marisa, Ran, and maybe Yachie are borderline, and Yuuma has a niche in being the best character for griefing.
These are all just really early impression though.

Does anyone know what Yacchie's level 1 does? I like her scope and how her L2 does against stuff like Marisa, but it doesn't seem like she has much damage output

>>44315075
It clears bullets in a small circle around her, same as her level 2 but a lot smaller.

>>44312484
So I've been playing windows 7 using this but when I try joining random matches online it fails to connect every time. Is that due to this workaround?

>>44315078
Oh so it's only on activation I guess? I expected the effect to linger a bit

>>44315090
Seems that way, yeah. Both of the bullet clearing level 1s, despite being on fast charge characters, feel really underwhelming. A far cry from the days when Youmu mains would spam level 1s on Misty Lake.

>>44314777
Be Zanmu and use level 2 before the spirits throw out bullets.

>>44315034
Are you talking about story mode or PvP? Seems like Reimu and Yuuma are undeniably the best for story mode for their ability to clear bullets and kill bosses.

>>44315166
PvP mostly, but honestly that kind of applies to Story too.
Chiyuri is the Aya of this game, see >>44314814, the AI genuinely has no idea what to do if you just level 3 and then spam level 2s.

>>44315166
Chiyari can kill bosses earlier than scripted in Story mode because of her level 3.

>>44315195
>>44315202
Damn, that really is Aya tier. With how much trouble I've had with her, no wonder the AI gets buttfucked. She's kind of like Medicine I guess, AI doesn't know where to go.

>>44315166
Mamizou is probably at least S in Story Mode only simply because you can bomb spam through the more annoying phases until they suicide and always have bombs to spare if you just keep doing L1/L2s and nothing else.

In PvP it's however it's more like this, based on other people's tierlists (only bump Sanae down, dunno' why people are placing her so high and Suika so low):

>>44315221
She wouldn't even be so bad if it weren't for two things:
-Level 2 refreshes all her EX attacks to max size
-Her EX attacks are immune to any form of clearing, including bombs and death clearing
I have no idea what ZUN was thinking with her.

That being said, I just gave Zanmu a try and she might be almost as bad. Her level 2 is absurd and she's actually capable of getting early kills as well if you spam her level 2 at the right moments to create enough trash.

>>44315275
A few of these placements strike me as baffling, though I have yet to actually do any real netplay so maybe I'm missing something.

>>44315292
dw same
this is based on multiple tierlists, some I don't agree with
Personally I'd say I predict something like this:

SS: Chiyari
S: Reimu, Yachie,
A+: Zanmu, Yuuma, Enoko, Ran
A: Seiran, Suika, Marisa
B+: Hisami, Orin
B: Biten, Mamizou, Saki,
C+: Nazrin, Tsukasa
C/D: Aun, Sanae

>>44314854
>>44314835
Actually Nazrin is better in the main game simply because her L2 deletes activated EXs of Yuuma, Yachie, Saki and technically Orin but only for few seconds.

The issue is, Orin and Zanmu are also spirit detonators and way better at it than Nazrin is. So yeah, she's not terrible, she's still way better than Tsukasa, Aun and Sanae are in my opinion.

>>44315083
It wouldn't surprise me if that was the case. I only found it from another anon's post so I don't know much about it. Haven't tried playing online yet.

Yachie is a sadistic final boss. Giving her and her wall of otters tons of HP then making two of the lowest offense characters fight her is insane.

>>44315331
That Yachie placement is interesting, I'm curious as to why you'd rank her so high.
This is my first impressions list, I'll try to give some quick explanations:

S TIER
Chiyari: Already explained
Zanmu: Level 2 generates absurd advantage for her and allows her to send trash more efficiently than any other character, also has one of the most threatening EXs in the game since it lingers.

A TIER
Enoko: Level 2 is almost Reimu tier busted, EX and shot are both very strong. Very well rounded character
Reimu: Absurd level 2 for defense, Level 3 is very good, but I think people are focusing too much on her few positive traits when everything else about her is only so-so.
Hisami: Very strong offense, level 3 and 4 can be incredibly disruptive and unlike other level 3/4s gives the opponent very little gauge to fight back with. Has a homing shot but it's probably the strongest one in regards to DPS.
Suika: Strong shot, EX can be annoying to deal with, Level 4 is annoying and can be hard for some characters to kill

B TIER
Marisa: Very well rounded, but has nothing broken like the above characters outside of maybe her very strong level
Ran: Like Marisa but a bit worse
Yachie: Her offense seems like it could be really scary to deal with, but she's held back by poor mobility and a shot that's weaker than it should be. Could easily go up or down depending on various factors.
Rin: Zanmu but worse in every way except EX.

C TIER
Seiran: All rounder but nothing stands out about her.
Biten: Very good mobility, level 2 can help fill in the gap left by her poor shot, but unfortunately her Level 4 is just far too easy to farm graze on, making it a liability and giving her a massive disadvantage in the gauge game.

D TIER
Saki: Shot leaves something to be desired, offense is pretty poor and her Level 4 manages to be both the weakest in the game and gives a ton of gauge thanks to the graze. At the very least she isn't terrible.
Tsukasa: I barely even remember what her gameplan was, but I don't think she was terrible.
Nazrin: Worse Rin.

G Tier
Aunn: Awful offense, defense is only salvaged by invulnerability on level 2 but it's not reliable enough to carry her.
Sanae: Weak in every regard, might have the worst shot in the game. Poor Sanae.

No Rank
Mamizou: Depends entirely on how important bombs are in the meta.
Yuuma: Very good for stalling and griefing, but if such tactics are banned in some way then she's mediocre.


>>44315528
Yachie has really tough patterns to deal with, yeah. Reimu final boss was also really tough.
On the flip side though Saki final boss was a joke.

>>44315559
Yachie's boss Tortoiseshell hell is also pretty free graze. Her other attacks are scary, though. It's fun to see her WBaWC spells just being ported over, but I can't imagine dodging them when shit really goes down and there are random bullets everywhere. It feels like most other characters get their spells simplified for good reasons.

Game is fun, but its price in steam is too high for the contents.

>>44315528
It doesn't even feel like her last spell is possible on Lunatic. So many otters start spawning that it's impossible to clear them all even with Nazrin's detonation, their bombs are too weak to defeat them if you don't scope them first and there's absolutely no chance you are gonna do enough damage to defeat her before timeout - not to mention the scopes slowing down bullets fucking with the pattern's safe spots. You're really just praying to the gods with that one.

>>44315559
What is Yuuma's gimmick that makes her good for stalling? Haven't unlocked her yet

>>44315672
You'd think it'd be her Youmu style Level 1, but it isn't because it's trash in this game.
Instead it's her Youmu style scope, which given a few seconds can fill the entire screen. Go into scope and stay in scope, everything is slowed down and your opponent is left with no real way of progressing the game state until you let go.

>>44315700
That's kind of hilarious. Does it actually work for practical reasons, i.e. during boss attacks?

Is netplay with randoms worth trying out or would it be too bad a connection, if I were to get matched with someone in Japan?

>>44315700
I had tried this in a PvE match and I was cackling. What you can is cause all bullets to drop those graze pickups, and release your meter once you gauge you're in a safe place to build it up again. Kinda makes me wonder how it interacts with some spells, like Suika's one where she turns invulnerable and charges.
There really is nothing the opponent can do.

I've heard the lag is pretty awful

grape vines is a joke, you don't even need to move

>>44316129
VS online mode is unplayable because of the lag.

>>44313558
beer > coding

>>44316147
Yeah, it's pretty generous of Hisami to completely clear away all random bullets too for the entire duration of her attacks.

>>44316147
The spell card where they come back is pretty hard.

>>44312323
IS THAT ANOTHER MOTHERFUCKING CAT I SEE?

Does sending animal spirits to your opponent in Story Mode cause them to activate their next attack sooner? It feels like it to me.

>>44316349
No.

>>44316349
Wolf.

>>44316349
yamainu

>>44316362
>>44316370
So the beartraps are like a reference to resident evil 4?

>>44316385
Something like that. She's a species of wolf that was hunted to extinction. I assume those traps were a big factor in it.

>>44316385
They're actually a subtle reference to reality.

>>44316414
How can there be two extinct Japanese wolves?

>>44316454
Maybe ZUN forgot Kagerou exists.

Does the Saki AI just refuse to bomb? Just watched it almost wipe itself during my Yachie story playthrough

>>44309280
at sucking cocks yea
the cock sucking god sanae

Did Marisa's 3rd charge lasers get nerfed?

>>44313456
That's not necessarily a contradiction; What's being said here isn't that Hell is all empty space, but that it's too big to reasonably expand without it becoming completely unmanageable. If it's getting filled up rapidly AND can't expand, then the only tenable-looking options would be invading the surface to take their territory, or building a New New Hell.

Who whispered to ZUN during development to make the game shit?

>>44314453
ZUN and his bootlickers are this retarded yeah.

>>44314854
Sanae is simply better just because of not having Naz's bizarre speed, seriously she is worst than fucking Yuuka

>>44316665
Toby Fox

Why does every time i use a skill they also use it?
It feels like i'm missing something very important

>>44316489
I dare you to say that again!

>>44316719
That's just how it is for story mode.
The hearts don't matter, you just have to capture/time out all their spellcards.
You use your skills anyway to make them use theirs.

>>44316719
It seems as though LV3 and LV4 will trigger a sort of "scripted" next attack from them. Sometimes it's an EX, sometimes a boss, but I don't think it's random. You can "speed up" the story fights in a sense by using LV3s, I think this is a genuine strategy. Don't know if it speeds up this "queue" more if you use a LV4 instead. Also don't know if LV2s have an effect, they might.
Lots of air quotes because I don't actually know how this works exactly, but this is what I've noticed.

>>44316738
I just used a LV1 and they countered it again. Going by your logic, maybe it's "scripted" no matter the level, they just attack after you use a skill.

>>44316752
I think specific levels trigger specific counters. Maybe. If I use a LV3 they ALWAYS counter with another EX or a boss. Or there's some hidden gauge and each skill you use has weight to it and adds to the gauge until it triggers a counter, but that sounds awfully complicated.
I honestly have no idea, but there's definitely an actual mechanic here somewhere.

>>44316739
I feel relived but still pissed off, atleast now i know i'm not being outskilled by some mechanic.

>>44316721
stop lurking and go back to work sanae
these cocks wont suck themselves.

>>44313336
>>44313358
>>44313367
hey thanks for the explanation anons, that was helpful. Haven't read any touhou manga lately, seems to be the time to see what's new

>>44311146
Thank you for your hard work, kingdom of nothingness is really good, i was surprised to already see it on youtube with fanart, but nothing beats good old lossless FLAC

I still cant believe we got a mega dump from /v/, you people need to get yo shit toguether.

>>44316898
>mega dump from /v/
Check the previous thread, it originated from here and was copied to /v/.

Holy shit, online is really slow. I could see the framerate dropping every minute until it froze and i had to close it

>>44316909
The person that posted it in the first thread it was posted in said he got it from /v/

>>44313613
UM is still the worst 2hu

I actually think ZUN art has gotten worse over the past few games.
DDC and before the art was still "bad" but in a unique type of way. Now ZUN art is all samey with similar looking faces unlike before

>>44316955
Is this not the first time it was posted? >>44307931
https://find.4chan.org/?q=JRxkWSZL

do I still have to restart every minute for netplay? something about desynce

There are a lot of bad players online, i only lost to one reimu that i presume was a tryhard because it was the only reimu i played against.

>>44317013
I think it's funny how he whines about AI but his newest work looks like it's mainly AI generated. At least some of his songs are pretty gud.

>>44316470
Must be rough seeing your specie going extinct two times.

>>44316955
He said the first thread, not the second thread
Looks like you need to lurk more

>>44317220
People nowdays really use "it looks like AI" as a insult for anything they dont like huh

>>44313558
The AI takes hits if you're playing as Tenkaji her skill 2 is broken and cheeses boss fights

>>44317013
>>44317220
Yes, how dare his artstyle have consistency

>>44318163
>consistency
How do we tell him?

>>44313737
You know very well the reason lol. Rainbows

>>44318163
>mistaking "half-assing" for "being consistent"
anon....

>>44318617
Who are you quoting?

>>44317013
Eh, I prefer his newer art over 13 through 16. Wasn't big on the pallid, cadaver skin tone he was giving every girl back then.

>>44317220
>whines about AI
when did this happen?

>>44320171
read the omake of 19.

>>44317013
>>44317220
>>44318617
I think what makes his art look worse specifically are the new tools and simplifying techniques he uses. There's a lot less details giving the style a sense of life, and using vectors to outline everything with the same density for example doesn't help. His new style looks the best with traditional mediums (and is the best way for his art to look IMO). It just doesn't quite translate to digital in his attempts to be cleaner. And I think this same pattern can be traced back to when he changed instrumentation for the series going from TH12 to 13. His composition style itself was still fine the same. It's just that with the change in tools came a lack of consideration for how to optimize results based on that change. It'd be like changing all the music in the Windows era games to MIDI. The compositions would be fine but they would still lack punch. That's what his change to digital did the way I see it.

Did people forget that ZUN used to get help for shading in the early games like IN?

>>44320400
They never played anything before 16

>>44320199
>berates ai for being soulless and having no regards for anything but the quality of the end result
>releases a half-cooked game developed in a short(er) time window with no regards for the quality of the end result
o am i laffin

>>44320638
>no regards for quality-
The enemy sprites are the best ones we ever had
>but it wasn't him
Dont care, still quality content

>>44320673
cool, now how about the everything else?

This game is so fucking bizarre, no score, no replays, and half the mechanics are pointless in story mode and only 6 stages in a VS game. I wonder if it's any better against other people.

>>44320721
>I wonder if it's any better against other people.
You'll have to wait until someone decides to code a real netplay for it.
In the meantime, enjoy the price increase on steam ;^)

So is there anything you can do to improve your offense besides getting a boss on the field and spamming EX attacks? I'm doing versus against the AI and depending on the character I'm playing sometimes they just never get hit even when I'm spamming EX attacks as fast as possible (due to getting huge amounts of graze with the aura)

>>44320400
didnt that happen only in PoVF? ive never seen people credit other artist for ZUNart except PoVF

>>44320685
>everything else is shit and he has done it
I am laughing.

>>44320721
>Only 6 stages in a VS game
PoFV was always a chore to play anyway

>>44320831
Much like PoFV you're just kinda out of luck with the characters who can't exploit the AI. Doesn't matter how many attacks you spammed with Mystia, for example, the AI will just not get hit.
If you ever want a wild experience, put two Lunatic Mystia AI against each other and see how long it takes for one to finally lose. Their matches can easily last hours.

>>44320831
Playing against cpus has its own rules where you have to defeat the enemy boss a certain number of times in order to progress.

>>44320986
No wonder ZUN hates AI so much he doesnt know how to create one.

name a worse feeling than getting all the passive ability cards in story mode

>>44321212
There are no active cards in this game.

I think ZUN was trying to keep cards from being too imbalanced in this one, especially since its VS

How the game is made actually reminds me of the fighting games, with story mode having different mechanics to the VS games.

>>44320986
I just tested Seiran vs Seiran AI in this game and they timed out the clock without getting hit. So guess the AI is just as busted against certain characters here too

>>44321430
The story mode in the fighting games are not fun imo. Unless I'm retarded, hyper armor and spellcard spam with a short window to do real damage after you break their shield is agony.

>>44320986
Forgot to mention that speed matters, a ton. Since the CPU is entirely reaction based a fast character can easily inhumanely micromanage its movement anywhere it wants while a slow character is absolutely trash. Yuuka AI is infamously bad for this reason, she can barely move out of any bullets in time, and I imagine the same can be said about AIs like Nazrin and Mamizou.

>>44321241
He means non shoot power cards.

Jesus fucking Christ Nazrin's story mode is painful.

https://twitter.com/denfaminicogame/status/1690873960647602176?t=H1BMeBzxh44p_Y2UK9KpEA&s=19

How the fuck is that marisa dodging all that, what the hell

>>44321776
She didn't, the auto-barrier saved her

>>44321766
no shit had to play twice

>>44321766
If you think Nazrin's is bad, wait until you get do Aunn. Nazrin at least has the ability to pop spirits and the AI struggles against her patterns (with good use of EX attacks you can take out the enemy on their side before you get through all of their boss phases, this is practically necessary against Yachie on higher difficulties). Aunn has absolutely nothing going for her and has no way to deal with Yachie's furry green legion.

>>44322233
I'm doing everyone in left-to-right order, so yeah that was an awful experience doing Aunn and Nazrin back-to-back. At least the dog gets the monkey card that makes the otters useless to make her fight with Yachie less annoying, unless it's random which of the two cards you get every route and I was lucky.

>>44322309
It's a 50/50, outside of a couple niche cases like Aunn not being eaten alive by otters the shot cards are usually the ones you want for that extra firepower. Nazrin in particular is worth resetting runs for if you don't get her extra bombs card, getting 5 bombs per stage is a lifesaver.

Anyone got a download of the ost?

>>44322386
Anon... >>44311146

>>44322424
Whoops and thanks. Although I'd like one where the tracks loop once.

>>44322386
>>44322463
https://gofile.io/d/35u33D
Ripped it as mp3 with the BGM extractor for myself, loops once then fades out. Didn't notice nobody else did it so here you go.

I don't know if the demo was cracked or if I just understand the game better now after doing all the story mode missions but VS feels so much less chaotic now

>>44322620
Thanks anon.

Goodbye thread

>>44320721
>game is called unfinished dream of all living ghost
>act surprised its unfinished
its literally in the title, guys

So apparently you can't have more than 6 bombs. I wanted to do a Seiran vs Seiran ditto with the card that gives you bomb pieces on level 3 charges to see how many I could get before time, but you stop getting anything once you're at 6.
In other news, don't do Seiran dittos.

Oh.