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>>4425656

>>4426481

You seem to have forgotten that it's possible that Kanon's corpse was hidden in the closet.

also the red says "he disappeared" while another red says that Shannon and everyone else are in the other rooms. Implying that Kanon has to exist to disappear.

obvious troll is obvious

3%

>>4426558

"Kanon is not in this room"

And even if you find some way around that, there is no way for Kanon to even reach the guestroom unless he is Shannon. The room he was in was sealed from beginning to end, while the seal on Shannon's window was broken.

Remind me it's been a while since I read EP's 1-4. The red states that Kanon died in that room, but it does not state when, so it is quite possible Kanon was killed earlier than the witch proposed "Kanon/Jessica" death. If we assume Gohda who saw Kanon last was in on it then Kanon's death can be pushed forward even earlier. Shit, I'd propose Gohda fucked everyone up before I proposed Shkanon.

>>4426597
The "closet" could've been one of those "hidden in plain sight" secret passages.

What pisses me off is if Shkanon is true, Erika somehow didn't notice, and if this bullshit where he was hiding in the closet was true, then Erika was too incompetent to check one of the most obvious places.

Which is fine until you remember she is supposed to be a caricature of your standard mystery detective, they wouldn't make such obvious mistakes. I think Ryukishi had this "brilliant" idea to troll the mystery fanbase, but then he remembered he's a shitty writer, and made his mock detective miss things that you'd have to be retarded not to notice.

>>4426632
And by this, I mean it's more of a "passage" rather than a "secret passage".

この六軒島に１９人以上の人間は存在しない

Can anyone translate that? Umineko relevant.

>>4426630

Wrong game

>>4426632

What?

>>4426646

It pisses me off too, but...there's no other way to solve EP6's closed room. Plus all the massive hinting at it would be for nothing

>>4426653
You forget the very meaning of that Knox rule. "There shouldn't be more than 1 passage the reader isn't aware of."

Or in Umineko, "There shouldn't be a secret passage the reader isn't aware of."

Knox rules are about fairness of mysteries. Calling it a "passage" instead of "secret passage" doesn't work.

>>4426671

There are no more than 18 people on this Rokkenjima.

>>4426678

Then let's throw out Knox.

>>4426671
There are no more than 19 people on Rokkenjima?

>>4426682

I'm SORRY

>>4426684

Japanese is different

19以上 also includes the 19

>>4426682
Ryukishi is so great, he offers you a set of rules in this clusterfuck, and then right as you breathe a sigh of relief and reach for them, he punches you in the dick, throws his own fecal matter at you, and says "Oh, remember that this may be bullshit."

>>4426677

Ah yeah, read part of the OP incorrectly.

Haven't started EP. 6 yet because my Japanese is elementary at best and I don't trust text hooks enough for something like Umineko.

from episode 1-5 though I felt I was slowly being lulled into believing Shkannon (I didn't even go online to read other theories untill after EP.5) which is exactly why I don't think it's going to be part of the solution. I'm sure there is another solution that makes sense, unfortunately I'll have to wait until WH finishes translation to argue back ;P

>>4426727
>;P

I was thinking.
Motives aside, would it be possible for piece-Erika to have let Kanon out of the room and put the chain back?

>>4426739
No. Said in red that she wasn't.

Fuck Shkanon and fuck moon-chan. I'm sticking with Kanontrice, because I don't want utterly forced and contrived endings.

>>4426760
No, it was said in red that she didn't let Battler out. She could have let Kanon out after he switched with Kanon.

>>4426739

Erika didn't touch the chain after using it to lock the door

>>4426763
I don't like those either, but how is Kanontrice not forced and contrived?

>>4426771

The red text actually says Erika never unlocked the chain after setting it. Nothing about her re-setting it.

Though I guess the red text 'Three people, that is, three bodies, went in and out of the room. Only [Erika] and Kanon entered, and only Battler left.' pretty much kills the theory anyway.

>>4426682
NO DINE, NO KNOX, NO FAIR, amirite?

Although didn't R07 say that Battler solved everything by applying Knox's rules? Then again, he does tend to be full of shit during interviews (like Erika being a good girl).

Kinzo is not a name, Kinzo is a title, so the red talking about ''names'' refering only to the persons themselves is bull.

Kanon = Kinzo.

ITS SOLVED

>>4426933
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!

>>4426481
What? Haven't you ever heard of the Kanon = Kinzo theory?

>>4426926
Its more like: Knox = Dont make absurd theorys or rely in over the top theorys, the mystery is solvable.

>>4426950
>Dont make absurd theorys or rely in over the top theorys
Which is amusing, since that is all we have.

>>4426961
Shows how much we suck at making theories.

>>4426961
And that's why at least most of us is wrong

>>4426967
Man our main suspect is [x] all the servants.
We are third rate detectives.

I think it's possible that Kanon disappeared from the room because Erika ate him.

>>4427012
Erika is a persona created inside Hideyoshi, discuss.

Shkannon is a shitty theory, and not just because of how fucking convoluted and stupid it is, but because it's a loveless theory, and it sure as hell would be a loveless solution if it was true. And I don't mean that as in "HURR GEORGE IS GOING TO BE RONERY" I mean that as in there's no love for the reader. It's hard to explain, but from my own experiences writing fiction, I just have this feeling that Shkannon is not the answer, like it would be a horribly cheap and disappointing solution to both write and read. And it's like a solution that you get to by not thinking. "HURR KANNON IS IN THE ROOM AND DISAPPEARS, IT MUST BE BECAUSE HE BECAME SHANNON AND KILLED OFF HIS KANNON PERSONALITY, HURRRR"

And Shkannontrice doesn't explain everything.

I'm thinking Georgeitrice is more likely. You can explain a lot of the locked rooms and murders with George as the culprit. And you can explain where Eva was during the time when Rosa and Maria were murdered in episode 3, something Shkannontrice does not explain. And he actually has a better motive than "possibly raped by Kinzo, boo hoo hoo"

>>4427035

>possibly raped

it happened.

>>4427012

Actually, a slightly more reasonable variation is that Kanon intended to kill Erika as revenge for killing all the mothers, but failed.

If a corpse doesn't count as being in the room, Erika simply killed him first.
If it does, then Kanon had an explosive that didn't even leave a corpse behind.

Kanon disappeared because he's a corpse in the closet. Look at this red closely:

# Excluding one place, no one's body is inside the bedroom.
# No one's body is inside the bathroom.
# We have confirmed that, overlooking one place, Battler does not exist in the guest room.
# Ushiromiya Battler does not exist in the guest room. ...That's including the closet, with no exceptions whatsoever.


Notice how they never deny that someone's body is in that "one place" in the bedroom.

>>4427035
Cool copypasta until your alternative was George. You can't go from bitching about Shkanon being loveless, and then propose Georgetrice, it's utterly ridiculous.

George is not in love with Battler, he's a jealous asshole.

Even though the pony theory is dead and gone now these still hurt my heart.

>>4427048
George is a girl. a fat one.

>>4426946
I, for one, theorized that Kanon was Kinzo well before it became popular to do so.

Like back in episode 4.

Okay guys, we're getting into Nanjo = Nanjo's granddaughter territory, here.

Of course /jp/ would put rape as the most plausible explication for anything.

I mean, the most played games in /jp/ were always the type moon ones. And type moon think that rape is the best plot device ever.

>>4427062
I'd rather that than Shkanontrice.

Im serious.

Okay...not...but they are in the same level.

>>4427068
No they aren't.

>>4427044
Hurr.

Kanon does not exist inside the guest room. ...Naturally this includes the closet, the bedroom, and the bathroom in their entirety.

>>4427069
No, I'd agree. They're the same caliber of argument.

>>4427050
No, anonymous. I'm still here. I'll always be here. Right by your side.

>>4427073
>Kanon does not exist
If you are dead, you do not exist. See: Kinzo.

>>4427048
Who ever said George was the one who fell in love with Battler? Battler's sin doesn't only have to affect the person who loves him.

I'm thinking that George's proposal to Shannon is one of the main turning points of the game, specifically, I think it's rule Z, the whimsy which governs the board. If Shannon says yes to the proposal, George starts killing the adults who disagree with his marriage to Shannon. If she says no, George goes into a furious rage and either kills Shannon right on the spot, or tries to hurt others she cares about, and he blames Battler for swaying Shannon's heart.

If I had to guess, in 1,3, and 5, Shannon rejects George, while she accepts him in 2, 4, and 6.

>>4427083
Well, in 1 she clearly rejects him.

>>4427081

>If you are dead, you do not exist

That's bullshit, man. As long as your memory lives on in the hearts and minds of others, you will never cease to exist. ;_;

>>4427083
>George
>kill Shannon
>Shannon
>Reject George
Wow. Have you even read Umineko? Seriously? Have you even read it?

>>4427081
Okay, so the solution is that he is dead. Not that he was in the closet. Unlike, but okay.

Going with that definition of "exist" :
All of those who met at the family conference recognized the existence of Kinzo!

Therefore, there was a living Kinzo who appeared at the conference in episode 4.

>>4427050
Wait what? I was away from /jp/ for quite a long time now, so what did I miss in Umineko?

>>4427094
See: Battler's solution to this problem.

>>4427076
Shkanon, for all it's numerous faults, has enough foreshadowing to it to work.

Nanjo's granddaughter theory doesn't even begin to make sense.

>>4427098
Exactly. But think about that a little further. Someone there inherited the name Kinzo, who?

The one thing that does worry me though, is how Kanon got out of the guesthouse in the first place.

[Request: Those who are in the neighboring room are Hideyoshi, George, Shannon, Kumasawa, and Nanjo!]
#I acknowledge it.
#I acknowledge that all other people[besides Kinzo and the 'murder victims'] are in the cousins' room.

Red says both rooms are perfectly sealed, and have unbroken sealed doors. Cousin's room window seal was unbroken too.
The only thing that could be contested is the window seal of the neighbouring room, which Shannon is in, but not Kanon.

The only way I can think of around this is either Kanon is another persona of one of the neighbouring room people, or it's possible to still be in a room while being outside a seal (ie. a double set of doors to exit, where the inner one is sealed and Kanon is between the two)

>>4427090
Cry more, Natsuhi.

>>4427083
Georgetrice means George was the person who created Beatrice, ergo was in love with Battler.

If you mean George culprit, fair enough, but Georgetrice and George culprit are two totally different things.

>>4427077
I want to believe. ;_;

>>4427104
>>#I acknowledge that all other people[besides Kinzo and the 'murder victims'] are in the cousins' room.

>>besides Kinzo and the murder victims

Either he is dead or he is Kinzo, both works.

>>4427091
Yes.

AND YES CLEARLY GEORGE IS COMPLETELY STABLE, AFTER ALL, HE'S SO TOTALLY NOT WILLING NOR DOES HE WANT TO KILL HIS OWN MOTHER AND FATHER. YEAH, TOTALLY. ALSO, NOBODY EVER THINKS "IF I CAN'T HAVE YOU NOBODY CAN." ESPECIALLY THE VERY JEALOUS TYPES.

Also, we never get an objective narrative during any of the scenes depicting George and Shannon's relationship. Don't you find that a bit odd?

>>4427104
The location of Kinzo was excluded. Simply, pick your poison. Either Kanon is Kinzo, or he is Shannon.
>or it's possible to still be in a room while being outside a seal
It isn't.

>>4427123
The seals are nothing more than a way to create closed rooms. There must be ways around them.

>>4427115
Sigh. There is no "besides Kinzo and the murder victims." It's just besides Kinzo. And that isn't even said in red, Erika just says to exclude him. Besides, what you are proposing is that a DEAD KANON went over and switched places with Battler, then set the chain. Ridiculous.

First red:
[Request: The six victims of the first twilight are where they were discovered. Natsuhi is in her room, Eva in the honored guest room, Kyrie in Krauss's study, Rosa and Maria in the parlor, and you in the guest room!] I'll acknowledge that.

[Request: Those who are in the neighboring room are Hideyoshi, George, Shannon, Kumasawa, and Nanjo!] I acknowledge it.

[Since Kinzo is confirmed not to exist, please exclude him.] I acknowledge that all other people are in the cousins' room.

>>4427121
George killing Shannon goes completely against his characterization. You're out of your mind.

>>4427139
No, there aren't. It was said in red it's impossible to leave the room and leave the seals intact. Don't you remember all the shit in episode 5 about the seals?

>>4427114
Yeah because a world were Beatrice gets raped as a little girl and Kinzo is a certified pedophile sure sounds great!

Get over it.

>>4427142
>[Since Kinzo is confirmed not to exist, please exclude him.] I acknowledge that all other people are in the cousins' room.
Kinzo is excluded. Therefore, Kanon can be Kinzo and can be outside of the room.

>>4427149
And yet Genji was a bloody mess in his room with the seal intact. So either everyone in the first twilight in episode 5 was playing dead again, or someone set up Genji to make it look like he was dead without disturbing the seal.

Because it was done, there must be a way to do it.

Shouldn't Dlanor's EP5 statement,
'Kinzo doesn't exist
#should already be an established FACT.'
apply to this theory?
You could argue that the crucial statement wasn't in red, but the red can refer to the white as shown elsewhere, and if it doesn't in this case, the red makes no sense.

KinzoKanon is a much nicer outcome plot-wise, though.

>>4427144
So does Shkanontrice.

But nobody here cares.

>>4427121
I dunno dude, you're describing Kyrie to me more than George.

Of course it looks like Rudolf is okay with her yandere tendencies towards him. He probably likes it.

>>4427144
Honestly, Shannon is the single person I can see George refusing to harm on the island.

>>4427157
>implying that actually happened
>implying that Genji was dead

>>4427154
And? That's not the point I was trying to deny. Whoever I quoted was trying to say that if Kanon was dead from the start he could have done it, which is just completely retarded.

>>4427159
Dlanor is referring to old man Kinzo, not "Kinzo".

>>4427144
>implying that George isn't a clingy jealous bastard who wouldn't kill someone who he loves, but thinks loves someone else.

Yeah, because when you want to kill your mother, and your other option is an arranged marriage, then you're totally going to be completely sane right?

>>4427163
This. Same goes for Kyrie harming Rudolf.

Yanderes going against the person they're obsessed with goes against the very meaning of the term.

>>4427169

Damn subjective red.

>>4427144
George is a suspicious asshole

>>4427175
Yeah, go kill the one you love more than anyone else and have been shown to be willing to kill every single person on the island except her so that she lives. Makes perfect sense. Oh wait, it doesn't.

>>4427184
That's not subjetive.

Let's say I pretend I have a boyfriend called George. I can say in red, George does not exist.

That doesn't mean someone else with the name George can't exist.

The red is not subjective. If the red is subjective, you may as well pack up and go home, because you can't trust it at all. It's objective truth.

>>4427180
>implying that yanderes do not kill the people they love

My god man, you need to read more. Or take a ride on a nice boat.

>>4427193

Wrong choice of words, sorry.
Damn multiple-interpretations-possible red.

>>4427194
With Nice Boat she didn't kill him - he was already dead when she got there and just took off the head. And Sekai wasn't a yandere, she was just fed up.

Although the idea of Kyrie almost nice boating the love triangle would have been hilarious.

>>4427194
That's more yangire.

>>4427186
>implying that George's love for Shannon is unconditional.

And it isn't it obvious why George loves Shannon so much, and why he's trying to marry her no matter what? It's because he doesn't want to become like Kinzo.

>>4427209
I will say nothing further on this matter, except that you should try actually reading Umineko sometime. It might help if you want to make theories.

>>4427211
I think you should read those boring parts that you probably glossed over in episode 2.

>>4427209
>he doesn't want to be like Kinzo

too late

>>4427214
speaking of EP2, George is fishy in the aquarium scene.

>>4427214
No, you. And I mean that.

So I guess we've got a good non-Shkannon solution to EP6, then?
-Kanon is the new Kinzo
-Kanon dies in the guest room

Nice.

>>4427211
Oh, it's you.

>>4427221

>fishy
>aquarium scene

Oh, you.

>>4427226
no, i'm not that guy

>>4427225
If that was sarcasm, nicely done.

We've found outs just as obscene as Shkanon.

Now that I think about it, Kinzo-Kanon could be completely justified and was foreshadowed with the tip 'Jessica's future husband would be the next head'.

Maybe that much was obvious and I only just thought of it.

>>4427245
Nah, get out.

>>4427251
SO IT MEANS KANON RAPED JESSICA AS KINZO RAPED BEATRICE?
OH GOD NOW SHKANONTRICE FAGS WILL LIKE JESSITRICE.

>>4427225

"全ての名は、本人以外には名乗れない！！"

Even if you say that a name can be a title...

"よって、ヱリカ、戦人、嘉音の名はいずれも、本人にしか名乗れぬのだ
。"

This red text blocks out names being used as titles.

Hence, Kanon is not Kinzo.

>>4427265
I cant moon sorry

>>4427265
I can't read moon, and I don't know when this was.

>>4427254
So you'll happily fellate any theory that can go in opposition to Shkannon, no matter how ridiculous, carry on then.

>>4427282
Why is it ridiculous? It's far more reasonable than Shkannon. It makes sense, even. Kanon inherited the "Kinzo" title somehow (solving the epitaph or some other reason).

>>4427251
Kinzo is just batshit enough to give the headship to Kanon, and it was indeed hinted that he treated Kanon specially in 6, but would the family really accept it?

Krauss has to know, with Kinzo being dead and all. There would be absolutely no reason for him to hide that from the rest of the family, Kanon should be the very first target for whoever is murdering everyone if that is the case.

But I mainly just dislike it because the KanonxJessica relationship is fucking awful and boring, it's just screaming to be erased.

>>4427282

For justification on Kanon=Kinzo, he solved the epitaph, or maybe this:
>>4427251

For justification on Kanon dies inside the guest room:
>>4427041
>>4427081

>>4427289
People who say Shkannon is not reasonable are in denial. Why did Battler see everyone else together starting from episode 1? Battler sees various people together several times over all episodes. I would even go as far to say every other pairing is seen together by Battler at least three times. We're up to episode 6 now, and we still don't have a detective seeing Shannon and Kanon together. Erika came close, but she never acknowledged them as two people, and scenes are never from her viewpoint.

Kanon's corpse is also never, ever seen by a detective. There's much more evidence than this.

People who think it's a ridiculous theory are blinded shipperfags.

Kanon is Battler born from Asumu and Rudolf.

>>4427305
>People who say Shkannon is not reasonable are in denial
Stopped reading there.

>>4427299
If you'll remember, there's also that scene where Kinzo is talking about anyone being capable of solving the epitaph and becoming the head, "even you" (specifying Kanon.)

Foreshadowing?

>>4427299
You know, that whole episode 1 thing where Kanon died makes sense if he's the head of the household trying to protect the family.

>>4427305
no

>>4427265
Something about you can only introduce yourself as the person in question? What?

>>4427299
Kanon is a reverse trap.
SO EVERYTHING IS FINE

>>4427304

Becoming the head does not mean you become Kinzo
Becoming the head does not mean you become Kinzo
Becoming the head does not mean you become Kinzo
Becoming the head does not mean you become Kinzo
Becoming the head does not mean you become Kinzo
Becoming the head does not mean you become Kinzo

"No one other than x can use x's name" has been stated in red

>>4427333


Kinzo is the title of the family head has never been denied is red. Therefore it's true.

ergh August cannot come fast enough.I want to see your face when all your theories denied like bitches and whores.

>>4427339
You meant: when shkanontrice is denied, right?

>>4427336
Well, small bombs wasn't denied either, it could be a trap.

To begin with, something like inheriting the title of Kinzo sounds like it would be mentioned by one of the adults, who would obviously know it.

>>4427339
As long as its not fiction end, shkanontrice end or LOLBEATOISINSANE end im fine.

>>4427350
Yeah, and Shkannon is obviously something that you would think would be brought up. Your point?

>>4427339
I wouldn't mind. Shkannontrice, Kanontrice, Kin...non?, all that shit is awful.

Of course, we'd get an even dumber out, but as long as it's better.

>>4427336

Even when Battler makes up the theory about Kinzo being a title, he still refers to it as passing on a name.

Names have been dealt with by the red text.

>>4427354
But if Kanon is the "actual person" Kinzo, because his title is Kinzo, therefore he = Kinzo, then there's no problem.

>>4427352
If it's a dark secret, it wouldn't. Only the people who live on the island would know. The servants, Krauss, and Natsuhi have already been shown to hide the fact that the head of the family has died. Jessica obviously would know, but everyone apparently thinks she has severe autism, so it's hard to even argue about that anymore.

>>4427354
Doesnt mean you couldnt stretch it to being a title.
There's enough foreshadowing for that to work.
And its not nearly as farfetchd as instant killing personas when its convenient.

someone translate this please

The only red text dealing with names is 'all names refer only to the actual people' which is up for multiple interpretations.

Also, going by the translation at least, Battler never calls 'Kinzo' a name.

>>4427365

Why didn't Battler become Kinzo in EP5 then?

>>4427362
And the servants, Natsuhi, Krauss, and Jessica are all hiding this, even when one of them has claimed to be dead because...........

>>4427372
Who says he solved the epitaph?

I think the problem I have with the Kinzo theory is it blatantly ignores all the foreshadowing for Shkanon, claiming it "too obvious", or "dubious" or some such nonsense, and performs mental gymnastics for their own agenda.

You people are exactly like Jessitrice fags.

>>4427372
Kanon could have solved the epitaph before Battler, earned the title Kinzo and the ring but decided not to be the head.

Thus he passed the ring to Battler in EP5.

>>4427372

That's getting picky; there could be all sorts of reasons.
-Battler didn't solve it on his own, he relied too heavily on Erika
-Kanon was acknowledged by the previous Kinzo while he was alive
-Etc.

>>4427378
>Shkannon supporter
>trying to argue that other theories make leaps in logic

>>4427378
>>Implying that just because there's ''foreshadowing'' for something it cant be wrong.

>>4427370

Translation aside, the Japanese doesn't allow for it. A title is still a 名

>>4427373
On the flip side, why would Krauss hide that an effeminate little servant boy is apparently a genius who solved the epitaph, thus becoming the head of the Ushiromiya house, despite not even being one?

Sounds like something to discuss with the others, I would think.

>>4427384

>>Not playing EP6 and ignoring that the entire story is about how Shannon = Kanon

You guys know discussing this shit every day is totally pointless, right? It really will just be lolmagic at the end with zero explanation and a really fucking weak resolution. Just like it did with Higurashi. Same shit. Different title.

>>4427385
But if Kanon is the actual person Kinzo (the second Kinzo because he solved the epitaph or something) then there's no problem.

>>4427384
I go with the theory with the strongest foreshadowing, because that's the logical thing to do.

EP6 itself is a fucking expose on Shkanon.

>>4427385

The interpretations of who exactly that red text applies to could still be debated.
'All' could merely refer to 'all the names of the current pieces on the board'

>>4427387
Who says he knows that Kanon solved it?

>>4427393
>>4427390
>my interpretation of magical scenes is automatically right

>>4427390
>>Defending DID
>>Saying that knows what EP6 was about.

>>4427393
But the theory with stronger foreshadowing is ''MAGIC DID IT''

>>4427391
It won't be magic, at least not overtly.

But yes, Ryukishi started the story with a pretty awesome PURE MAGIC VS. PURE LOGIC, and I agree the ending will be him fence sitting on the issue with some shit like "The murders may have been done by human means...but surely...surely there is magic is this world~♥" and we'll all collectively fucking vomit at the cheesiness of it all.

I know you guys are having fun talking about how Kinzo is left out of the red text involving the cousin's room but

In the game, they state that they're specifically talking about Kinzo's corpse.

It doesn't help to only look at the Wiki :)

>>4427305
>Kannon's corpse is never seen by a detective.

Episode 1 bro. Battler does see Kanon's corpse.

AND REALLY, NOT SEEING TWO SERVANTS TOGETHER WHEN THERE ARE ONLY FOUR OF THEM WHO ARE DOING WORK IN TWO (OR EVEN THREE) HUGE MANSIONS? REALLY? GOD FORBID THEY ACTUALLY YOU KNOW, DO THEIR WORK.

Is there anyone here that can make an argument against Shkannon besides saying it's ridiculous and then saying "No, you're wrong" to arguments otherwise?

Pretty week.

>>4427397

>>I did not play EP6

>>4427409

You lack love.

>>4427416

He NEVER saw his corpse in EP1. Look up the definition of corpse. He saw the body of stabbed-and-dying kanon.

>>4427416
No he doesn't, "bro." He sees Kanon fucking alive, and the red shows that Kanon can't possibly have been killed

ie: he faked his death. He is a confirmed fake death in episode 1. And Natsuhi, Genji, Nanjo and Kumasawa have to have been killed by someone who faked their death. ie, Kanon. Then, Beatrice appears before the cousins.

>>4427412
You cant believe what isnt in red.
Fool.

>>4427416

As seen in EP6, you're not the detective unless you declare it

Battler never did until EP4

>>4427424

So you're saying you can't believe context

lol okay

>>4427407
There has been copious amounts of red used to prove that magic doesn't really exist, the magical fairy people in meta world even refer to it as a "gentle lie."

>>4427424
In that case, Kinzo isn't even excluded. It's never said in red to be excluded.

>>4427427
So jessica was alive in EP2?
Are you opening the pandora box?

>>4427420
If love is synonymous with hackneyed, corny writing, then yes, I lack it completely.

>>4427430
You can believe in context, but red is only red when its written in red.
The context isnt written in red so there could be a wordplay.

That's the fucking basis of red deceit in umineko.

>>4427434
Ignore that guy. Battler still didn't see Kanon's corpse. If you want to say Battler isn't even the detective, you lose all grounding for episodes 1-4, which could be argued to be the most important.

Ahh, reading this thread reminds me of ep2.

"Come now, anonymous! With Shkanon, all the closed room tricks and mysteries are easily solved! Don't deny it, just submit!"

"It's useless, it's all useless! There's no way you're gonna make me believe that! There has to be a way around it!"

>>4427438
You've never been in love, have you anon?

>>4427439
In that case, much of the red in episode 6 is just Battler saying "yup" to what Erika wants to confirm.

What context does that "yup" have? If you want to ignore the white context, it doesn't mean anything at all, and you can ignore nearly all the episode 6 red.

>>4427441
While I could definitely see Ryukishi doing that, for now, I agree, let's stay far away from that train of thought.

YOU GUYS ARE ALL WRONG.YOU DON'T EVEN PLAY EP6 AND UNDERSTAND IT.YOU ALL NIGGAS RELY ON OUT OF CONTEXT TRANSLATED RED TEXT.YOU GUYS ARE LIKE IRISH PEASANTS DISCUSSING LATIN BIBLES.

>>4427447
You're right, the Battler side even comes up with horrendously bad answers around it. Life is imitating art.

>>4427454
I've read episode 6.

>>4427454

This 1000 times

I don't even know why I come here to discuss EP6 with you people

Good luck with that 3%