/jp/ - Otaku Culture

lulz

Quick, you gaijin circles, seize this moment and re-develop it!

What is Vampirish Night

>>4417470
it was probbaly credited but he was too much of a faggot to read that

Hey, anon, remember that one prank touhou game?

Jesus christ I'm trying to fix this. I've already emailed him and all this shit, but more and more people complaining, Newgrounds or Touhou fans, just makes it more difficult.

If you really want to help, stop posting about it. Especially, don't start posting on Newgrounds, if it wasn't blatantly obvious.

>>4417483
Tub pseudo3d shmup with Flandre as heroine. Now demo videos are deleted because kids from NG threatened him with lawsuits and /b/ style raid, but shit looked pretty awesome.

Why the fuck were you on newgrounds?
>>4417478
Faggot.

fucking newgrounds

;_;

>>4417502
Seen this link on twitter

Funny how some /jp/ers were complaining that the music was bad, haha.

japanese xenophobia

[x] justified

>>4417499
This KgZ seems to be nice guy, especially compared to those fucktards on NG. Good luck to you.

So people are complaining about all this... but nobody complains when, say, -45 uses a couple lines from Star Trek: First Contact in one of his songs?

System0 is now playing in your head, manually.

Now the game might get some decent music.

Hahaha, this is delicious!

>>4417502

I used to browse newgrounds before it was popular

ITT: weeaboo who love Japan too much

i'm not at all familiar with this situation but

why would NG threaten anyone for making a pseudo-3d shmup? On what grounds, and for what reason?

Furthermore, why would the developer post on newgrounds?

>>4417550
see links previously posted

>>4417550

Read before you speak you twat.

>>4417550
>HERP

>Some guy uses music without permission in a fan game
>Spam the fuck out of videos and websites with nothing to do with the guy that did it

This is a great plan.

lol I read the thread, both parties involved seem to be cool people, but they seem to be surrounded by a clusterfuck of retarded trolls and internet lawyers.

I wasn't planning on getting the game in question, but I like to see good relations between the Japanese and English speaking content creation scenes, so if you guys need another translator let me know, I can speak both English and Japanese fluently.

But you seem to have translators already so yeah good luck working everything out.

>>4417567
this is internet justice

>>4417527
this.

Copyright is the cancer that keeps creativity bedridden in the West. Good to see that its' insidious tentacles have found their way overseas.

>>4417550
Some KgZ music maker guy discovered that his music he posts for free on ng was used in the games Vampirish Night and Scarlet Meister without his knowledge. He asked on ng wht should he do and his friends threatened game maker /b/ style.

Funny thing that he whined about not being credited and someone posted credits from Scarlet Meister with him included.

I find it funny how most Japanese creators let people do whatever the fuck they want with their creation, like arrangements and fanart, but Western creators are all like ORIGINAL CONTENT DO NOT STEAL OH SHIT I'LL SUE YOU.

Sad day.

>>4417576
>Copyright is the cancer that keeps creativity bedridden in the West.

Not being able to steal things you didn't create stops you from being creative?

What an idiot! He should complain after the game is released and it gains some significant attention

How the fuck did the japanese guy find his music, anyway? Doujin circles frequent Newgrounds?

Japanese troll one-upping Cirno Racing

>>4417581
Not all are like that on either side.

But yeah, I think it has to do with a combination of the differences in copyright law as well as differences in mentality. (Though in this case, it doesn't sound like the guy made many arrangements, but merely took most of the music and slightly altered some pieces.)

>Thank you for contact to me.

>I stop my games, because I'm very sorry to KgZ.
>I already send comment from MacJam >http://www.macjams.com/
>"I apologize you. I stop all my games"
>But his replay does not come.

>Now, only I want to do is stop all my violating games and apologize him.

So why doesn't he just find some other music instead of this "STOP ALL GAMES" stuff?

>>4417611
If you were threatened by a bunch of underage retarded lawyers from GRORIOUS AMERIKKA I think you might consider the same.

>>4417611
Because he's too busy committing seppuku out of shame.
Thanks Newgrounds.

>>4417597
WATCH YOUKAI MOE

I guess all is good now. Flandre HAS to be forgotten, after all.

>>4417588

Funny how that works, huh?

>>4417645
DAT DRILL

>>4417588
Stealing implies that the original piece is lost. I don't think that guy lost his music.

Zun was right, gaijins are the worst kind of people, they do not deserve any considerations .

>>4417611
That's what I would like to know. I mean of course he could be ashamed of himself but if he didn't understand the rules involved in a creative common license then there was no real avoiding the scenario. As I think he sees it, he took the music because he thought it was fucking awesome, but because suddenly there's a huge shitstorm about it so he feels like he failed somehow.

In other words it's Newgrounds' fault, but could have easily been avoided if either party had just contacted one another.

In the off-chance KgZ won't let him use his music then at least he could let Scarlet Meister go and have him get new music for Vamp.

>>4417665
plagiarism then.

God what a jew cunt. This is why no one likes Amerifags.

/jp/ should totally contact the guy who was making Vampirish Night and show some support.

Take a good look at this man. This is the face of a plagiarizer.

It's not like anyone here was going to buy Vampirish Night anyway

The point is that the KgZ guy just wants credit, if you'd all read the thread you'd see that he said he'd be happy to let the guy use his music for free as long as it said "music by KgZ" somewhere. That's totally legit in both the east and the west, even ZUN demands that people include the phrase "original Touhou Project by Shanghai Alice" or whatever somewhere when they make doujinshi.

The only people being copyright nazis are the stupid trolls surrounding the whole thing.

>>4417719
he was creditied

>>4417725
>>4417719 had it kinda wrong. He's fine with being credited, but he wanted to be told beforehand that his music was in the game.

Which would have been solved instantly if either of them would fucking CONTACT EACH OTHER.

So if the guy stopped Vampirish night, do you think it's alright for someone else to pick up the game development?

I used to post some music at newgrounds, but then deleted it all when I found out half the fuckers there are no talent plagurizers.

Why the fuck would Vampirish Night be canceled over this, just replace the music.

Fucking weird Japanese honor, and fucking faggots and newgrounds.

They're seriously arguing that this doujin game is commercial because it was going to be sold for 750¥ (8 bucks) which is barely (if at all) enough to cover the costs.
Also, he got his credit and the license doesn't require to "ask" for permission. If he wants to be asked every time someone to use his music maybe he should release it under a license that requires this.
LOL America.

>>4417568
Thanks for your help, man.

So did anyone send any sort of encouragement to the creator?

>>4417965

I told him that his games suck you should really quit making them.

>>4417989
with that kind of grammar I'm sure it was just a bunch of hurr durr

The guy is an asshole for stealing music.

Good riddance to yet another Touhou fangame.

>>4418028

Pretty sure the translation was pretty hurrr hurr from the start.

I'm sure he will be able to get the idea after I send 8,000 e-mails from "angry" touhou fans.

This is why we can't have nice things.

i play dating sims on newgrounds

compare:

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/148650

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L66wW1nwiIY

>>4417706
If only I could understand/read/write Japanese.

I emailed him with support. Yay me.

>>4418199
How do you write:
"Here's my support, for you."
in Japanese?

Japanese guy: Hmm, well there's lots of resentment against Americans, but these songs are pretty nice. I'm sure all those tales of them suing each other on a daily basis are all lies. I mean, really. That story about the old lady who gave her cat a bath, then put it in the microwave to dry off and sued the manufacturers of the microwave for not putting a "do not dry cats" warning on it can't be true.

+The next day+

Japanese dude: Okay, let's check my e-mail.

Sender: <ANGRY NEWGROUNDS KID>
<FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF- y U uSE MA MUSIC AND SELL FOR $750!?!? FUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCK U YELLOW SLIME! I'LL SUE YOUR ASS 4 USIN MY MUSIC IN UR $750 GAME! sEE u In CouRt U FUKIN FAG!

P.S. AMERIKA RULES, THAT'S Y U GET BOMB LMAO XD>

Japanese guy: Ehhh? I can't read this, it's in English...let's see... <Bomb>...<Japanese>...<Fuck>..<SUE>!?! I'M GETTING SUED!? Goddamn, I guess all Americans ARE assholes.

Japanese guy: Hmm, well there's lots of resentment against Americans, but these songs are pretty nice. I'll use it in my game and make sure to give credit to the creator of it, because it's really nice music. I'm sure all those tales of them suing each other on a daily basis are all lies. I mean, really. That story about the old lady who gave her cat a bath, then put it in the microwave to dry off and sued the manufacturers of the microwave for not putting a "do not dry cats" warning on it can't be true.

+The next day+

Japanese dude: Okay, let's check my e-mail.

Sender: <ANGRY NEWGROUNDS KID>
<FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF- y U uSE MA MUSIC AND SELL FOR $750!?!? FUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCK U YELLOW SLIME! I'LL SUE YOUR ASS 4 USIN MY MUSIC IN UR $750 GAME! sEE u In CouRt U FUKIN FAG!

P.S. AMERIKA RULES, THAT'S Y U GET BOMB LMAO XD>

Japanese guy: Ehhh? I can't read this, it's in English...let's see... <Bomb>...<Japanese>...<Fuck>..<SUE>!?! I'M GETTING SUED!? Goddamn, I guess all Americans ARE assholes.

>>4418148
Yeah. KgZ is semi-familiar with Touhou music so this is almost certainly not a coincidence.

However they aren't THAT similar. Compared to many of the plagiarisms of composers such as Handel (HUGE plagiarizer there), Stravinsky, John Williams, basically all of the late 19th century "nationalist" composers, and even Beethoven... I would say that's not a totally big deal. It's more of an influence in style. There are many differences between the two.

>>4418251
also:
"please continue making the game :("

>>4418254
He read "Japanese", but that wasn't even in the e-mail.

>>4418254
>sEE u In CouRt

Only chink teens write this way

>>4418254
>That story about the old lady who gave her cat a bath, then put it in the microwave to dry off and sued the manufacturers of the microwave for not putting a "do not dry cats" warning on it can't be true.
That didn't actually happen, did it?

>>4418299
No, it's an urban legend.

>>4418342
this - the hot coffee warning however are not.

>>4418148
compare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN1BhwqX29w#t=0m31s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otXPz2Z1RAM#t=0m38s

>>4418347
Fast food places are pretty shitty at putting lids on cups.

>>4418260
あなたを大分裏づけります。
ゲームの作成を続けてください　：（

>>4418254

Just marvelous, another person didn't brother to read properly, your erroneous information which you based your fabricated story is wrong.

>>4418409
Old ladies are pretty shitty at putting steaming hot cups of coffee between their legs as they drive off.

>>4418407
compare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl7P1ytFkVY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otXPz2Z1RAM#t=0m38s

>>4418407
compare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl7P1ytFkVY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otXPz2Z1RAM#t=0m38s

>>4418199
What's his email again?

I want to express my support for his game.

Maybe he'll make it with better music now.

Dammit simeon6669, shut up you fag!

>>4418299
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMH8Tof69SE

>>4418519
more likely all the pages will become ban non japanese ips

>>4418524
faggot

>>4418530
>This is how foreigners actually view America.

that little piece of shit. I was looking forward to to that game.

>In fact, if you are interested I would be willing to produce original tracks for your future releases instead of using old songs composed in the past.

Dawww. This vision of international teamwork makes me feel all warm inside.

>>4418566
its just hypocritical after starting the shitfest in public in the beginning.

>He still goes to Newgrounds

>>4418507

>>4418574
It was a mistake to post it on NG of all places, I agree, but if you read the guy's posts you'll see he never intended for all that /b/-logic shit.

I love how the awful attempts at fan games made in America all plagiarize commercial and non-commercial music constantly.

Seriously.

Just let it go you're credited and the game is only a doujin game meaning he and make 2-3 others made it to sell at a comic-con type event. Most likely they only sold less than 100 copies for almost zero profit like 99% of other doujin creators. Also to you morons spamming that site with the english description of the game, it not the developers site its just some random blog. Get over you selves and be glad the music is reaching a broader audience.

>Let me say to you that I have no problem with you using my music in your game, in fact I really appreciate it. My only wish was that you had asked or told me before you released the games. I am very happy that you use my songs. In fact, if you are interested I would be willing to produce original tracks for your future releases instead of using old songs composed in the past.

>>4418628
Surprisingly true. And everything gets half-assed.

>>4418199
Where did you email him!?

I already have the email ready but can't send it cause I don't have his address.
D:<

>>4418690

You must be that "faggot" I been hearing a lot about lately.

SUCCESS

CLINCHER EMAIL SENT

>>4418731
You're gonna have to quote something because I don't know who you're talking about.

It's support mail.
I want to send him:
>>4418411

>>4418445
It looks more like he was imitating the angry NG crowd, rather than the creator himself. I wouldn't be surprised if several wrote it as if it was THEIR music being stolen, just to back up the fact that it was stolen music.

Goddamit, the only good game supposed to be released on reitaisai - and it's cancelled due to teeny greedy copyrightist. Now I wanna grab his head and smash it against the wall to bloody pancake state. Just as Flan would do if she knows.

>>4418792
oh flan, you can butcher me any day

>>4418739
Just to let you guys know, KgZ replied with >>4418685. If the creator understands this, then we've got smooth sailing ahead, as well as more music for any upcoming games.

Why the hell would you fuck up the thread /jp/

>>4418507
Compare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIop055eJhU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGwjl16fX4w

>>4418826
He probably doesn't understand.

>>4418836
These sound nothing like each other. Why do people link Nue's theme to Flandre's?

>>4418826
bullshit, faggot should have said that in a private email to begin with - but no, he just wanted to attention whore on NG boards.

Trantez like always being an asshole.
Hope you dy.

So it's not even the creator of the music that did this

It's a little legion of his fuckretarded fans and internet white knights and moralfags who emailed the guy en masse with "UM YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON THE INTERNET"

Where does this notion come from that foreign countries have the same laws as us? This reminds me of that feminist shit a while back.

>>4419093
The Rapeplay drama or some other one that I missed?

I so mad.

>>4419276
Yeah, I meant the rapeplay stuff.

>>4418854
Flandre's :18 - :25 is the same beat/tune as Nue's :15 - :18

>>4419325
it's like they were composed by the same person

On the bright side, it seems they sent him an email that it was a misunderstanding and that they want him to continue his work on the game

So unless the guy has already burned his computer and beheaded himself in shame, it looks like they'll patch things up just fine

>>4419331
Yes they were and it's Obviously influenced/a remix of Flandre's theme. Hence:
>Why do people link Nue's theme to Flandre's?
Because they sound EXACTLY like each other.

>>4419364
really, who is the genius behind this music?

lol, youtube. I notice he's closed his account there now after all the abuse people gave him.

BEST COMMUNITY.

>>4418685

'oh shit, the drama I created it getting out of hand.'

Bump.
To translatefags- any feedback?

>>4419628
Feedback as in results? Not yet. Might be at work or something. There might not be any results until early tomorrow, really.

--------------------

Thank you for send me KgZ's message.
Your Japanese is very well.
And I'm sorry, I'm not good at English.

I know this problem a few days ago, and I want to
apologize KgZ. But I can't find his e-mail address.
If you can, please tell me his e-mail address.

Or, if you think my English skill is too much poor,
please translate and send this message:

[translated from this point on]

Dear KgZ,

Hello. My name is Hiromu.
I wholeheartedly apologize for using your music without permission.
I realized that I misunderstood the license when many of your fans sent me messages the other day.

Even I feel like I am no different from a thief.
But I am deeply moved that despite that, you say that you would still provide me with more music.
However, I do not feel like I have the right to present myself to someone who creates things anymore.
I have already suspended releasing my game to the public.
It is difficult to prevent others from uploading videos, but I will delete any as soon as I find them.

I truly am sorry.
I don't know whether this will bring an end to your anger, but I looked at a ton of music. Of the songs I listened to, yours were unmistakably the most magnificent. I deeply regret not taking the time to clearly understand the license or contact you.
I'm so sorry I caused you trouble.
Please find it in your heart to forgive me.

--------------------

>>4419922
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>4419922
｡･ﾟ･(ﾉД`)･ﾟ･｡

>>4419922
HE'S REALLY STILL STOPPING

FUCK NEWGROUNDS
FUCK FUCK

>>4419922
Can they kiss and make up, then still make the game?

I think thats what they both want.

>>4419954
if that was the case this wouldn't have been done in public

If he would have just e-mailed the guy who composed the music, then all of this would have been avoided.

99% of the time musicbros are flattered and will probably even contribute an original track or two.

>>4419922
Oh wow. Way to ruin something beautiful.

Fuck you all.

>>4419922
>many of your fans sent me messages the other day.
There's your problem. KgZ's going to have to address this somehow.

I think now it's okay to spam newgrounds.

>It is difficult to prevent others from uploading videos, but I will delete any as soon as I find them.

Oh no!

>>4419982
I don't.

>I have already suspended releasing my game to the public.
Oh no!

KgZ needs to appeal to the guy's sense of nippon honor or whatever and say he'll be offended if the guy quits his game on his behalf

>>4419967
This is ridiculous. He gave the guy credit. It's not his fault people went batshit insane without even properly looking into the situation. I feel really bad for the guy, and I didn't even care about the thing he was making. I think we should email him and explain that what he did wasn't a big deal and the people attacking him are simply morons with too much time on their hands.

>>4419993
naw, he'll just be all 'oh I didn't think he would go that far!' after stiring up all this shit himself

I like how this guy acts like he matters because he made some shitty music on probably illegally downloaded software.

He can't take legal action anyway, and his mom probably wouldn't pay for him to even try.

>>4419922

Shouldnt someone just mail the game maker to change the music for the game?

Dumb idiots on newgrounds making half-assed decisions.

best solution? The guy makes the game for himself, only he plays it.

FUCK

YEAR

>>4420015
shouldnt you just read the fucking thread?

>>4419922
19/02/10
Never Forget!

>>4420004
Read the thread, man. The musician's not the one being a dick.

I don't really blame the guy, I wouldn't want my shit to be sold without permission either. Of course /jp/ doesn't understand because no one in /jp/ has ever created anything original.

I am ffffffffffffff'ing right about now. He doesn't get that KgZ did not mean for anyone to harass him, nor that he's angry at him in any sense.

I guess it isn't over just yet.

>>4420018

Already fucking did.

>>4420022
I didn't say he's being a dick, I said he thinks he's someone important. I'm not saying he's being a fag about this specific incident, just that his personality is 'GOD IM SUCH A PRO' and it's fucking retarded.

>>4420022
yes he is

>>4420023
I bet you'd shit rainbows if someone would let your music be heard by someone else than your mother.

>>4420023
that's because you're a faggot that cares more about e-peen than what you actually created

any artist with a shred of integrity would be ecstatic that so many people would be seeing his work

>>4420022

GUYS GUYS, THIS JAP STOLE MY MUSIC, I'VE NOT TRIED TO CONTACT HIM OR ANYTHING. WHAT SHOULD I DO?

>>4420030
Like you would understand?

>>4420027
Try to convince him about KgZ's point of view and there are actually more people waiting tor VN than all 5 KgZ's fanboys.

>>4419922

>>4420027
>KgZ did not mean for anyone to harass him

except thats exactly what he did by posting about in the first place

if I were kzg I would have posted it on /jp/

:o

>>4420027
If he wasn't looking for people to harass him he would never have posted about it before contacting the guy or checking things more thoroughly. He was butthurt and bitter and knew what he was going to cause. He's a huge fag and his music licks chode.

>>4420072
hE WAS TRYING TO FIND THE GUY'S EMAIL SO HE COULD CONTACT HIM.
hE NEVER MEANT FOR FAGS LIKE YOU TO GO AND HARASS HIM.

>>4420086

Goddamn the touhou community gets butthurt over stupid shit.

>>4420112
You don't even know what's going on, faggot.

>>4420112
Did you see any of the trailers for Vampirish Night?
It looked fucking awesome.

>>4419996
>>He gave the guy credit.

He still didn't contact the guy though.

On the other hand, KZG is a typical retarded Newgrounds user. So this game was bound to end up in tears.

>>4420126
>>4420126
>>4420126

This is worse than Fermi!
At least with Fermi we still have the hope of it being released sometime this century.
Vampirish night was just completely scrapped.
;_;

>>4420142
retard, the game was suspended, the dude can probably just change the music to something else and be good to go
why are you touhoufags so incapable of reading?

>>4420158
>incapable of reading?
>obviously didn't read it

>>4420158
>scrapped got lost in translation to suspended.

>>4420141
Isn't that understandable? The guy understands English about as well as most of us know Japanese. Perhaps he couldn't figure out how to contact him, eh? He put the guy's fucking name in the credits.

Someone in the NG thread said this is his email. Perhaps if any of you know moonrunes you could send a message of support.
smnute@mail.goo.ne.jp

Vampirish Night was going to be scrapped regardless of this debacle.

This is only an excuse to scrap it. Incidentally, his other scrapped projects (all of them) have no excuse.

>>4420198
If you had read ng thread, you'd know that because of this incident he completly stopped making games.

>>4420195
I already did.

>>4420112
>>4420158

Damn. It must be tough living without the ability to read and understand what you are reading. Not to mention that you are not capable of using proper grammar.

Thank you for send me KgZ's message.
Your Japanese is very well.
And I'm sorry, I'm not good at English.

I know this problem a few days ago, and I want to
apologize KgZ. But I can't find his e-mail address.
If you can, please tell me his e-mail address.

Or, if you think my English skill is too much poor,
please translate and send this message:

[translated from this point on]

Dear KgZ,

Hello. My name is Hiromu.
I wholeheartedly apologize for using your music without permission.
I realized that I misunderstood the license when many of your fans sent me messages the other day.

Even I feel like I am no different from a thief.
But I am deeply moved that despite that, you say that you would still provide me with more music.
However, I do not feel like I have the right to present myself to someone who creates things anymore.
I have already suspended releasing my game to the public.
It is difficult to prevent others from uploading videos, but I will delete any as soon as I find them.

I truly am sorry.
I don't know whether this will bring an end to your anger, but I looked at a ton of music. Of the songs I listened to, yours were unmistakably the most magnificent. I deeply regret not taking the time to clearly understand the license or contact you.
I'm so sorry I caused you trouble.
Please find it in your heart to forgive me.

>>4420329
Another retard

>>4420329
We already read that here >>4419922

/jp/ I just realised something. The author of Vampirish Night is EXACTLY THE SAME AS US. Look at his emails, he's timid as hell and just wants all this to go away, which is why he's dropping the project.
The exact same thing we'd do.

>>4419993

This

If KgZ isn't a faggot, he should allow the project to go through after that response.

God damn, this has been the worst week ever.

>>4420448
Same here.
The only thing which needs to get canceled for me now too is my HG/SS preorder.
But that's unlikely to happen.

Hey guys, I got a mail from the maker of Vampirish Night. I'm trying to get ahold of KgZ too so that I can help them work things out.

Take it easy.

>>4420516
Nice work.

>>4420516
If that's true then I want you to know that you have my appreciation.
Also
>Take it easy.
Thanks for reminding me. Almost forgot.

ITT we blame americunts for all sins. Enjoy.

i just came.
sum it up in 3 words.

>>4421464
So business as usual?

>>4420516
I'd give you a head if you'll menage to succeed.

>>4421482
TOUHOU FANS BUTTHURT

>>4421482
newgrounds
touhou
drama

I love how right from the start everyone on Newgrounds was all "shit, you better get a lawyer" and "since he's in another country it'll be pretty difficult to sue him" and whatnot. It took like at least an entire page for anyone in the thread to even suggest that maybe it was a misunderstanding or that maybe they could talk it over.

Fucking Americans and their lawsuits.

>>4421482

"I'LL SUE YOU!"

Nobody listen to his music unless it's part of something bigger/better. OP from NG should stop being butthurt.

>Well, there is a good side of it also, because of all this fuss, we have a lot of Touhou fans making accounts on Newgrounds and probably will be fun if they will have also here a virtual community.

>>4422052
>virtual community.
More like a fucking trollfest, amirite?

>>4422052
Best thing was, it was that fagot stirring up the most shit.

I know 4chan isn't the most sympathetic place concerning rape, but that gimp was comparing the ''theft'' (that was credited and legal) to rape...

(From Newgrounds)

-----------

QED495:

I got another mail from the game creator.

He wanted to apologize to Newgrounds for misusing the music and thank those who've helped to work this thing out and informed him of his mistakes. He said he doesn't hold any flaming/spamming against you guys and feels that it was a natural response considering that he jacked original content without asking.

Anyway I passed along the message to KgZ.

-----------

The creator seems like a cool guy. People on Newgrounds were apologizing for overreacting as well. Seems like things should work out okay.

BTW here are some other related (Japanese) threads for those who are interested:

http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/computer/41116/1264353590/

http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/computer/6306/1205958484/

Shrug

Japan sucks

Dear KgZ,

Hello. My name is Hiromu.
I wholeheartedly apologize for using your music without permission.
I realized that I misunderstood the license when many of your fans sent me messages the other day.

Even I feel like I am no different from a thief.
But I am deeply moved that despite that, you say that you would still provide me with more music.
However, I do not feel like I have the right to present myself to someone who creates things anymore.
I have already suspended releasing my game to the public.
It is difficult to prevent others from uploading videos, but I will delete any as soon as I find them.

I truly am sorry.
I don't know whether this will bring an end to your anger, but I looked at a ton of music. Of the songs I listened to, yours were unmistakably the most magnificent. I deeply regret not taking the time to clearly understand the license or contact you.
I'm so sorry I caused you trouble.
Please find it in your heart to forgive me.


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Ugh, I really hope someone can relay that KgZ is fine with his music being used with credits... it seems the chances of seeing VN at R7 just dropped to nothing basically, but maybe we can see it at summer comiket at least or something... such a shame. It was the only thing I was looking forward to at R7.

>>4422431

>However, I do not feel like I have the right to present myself to someone who creates things anymore.
I have already suspended releasing my game to the public.

The fuck is with the Japanese and this, seriously.

>>4420516

QED495:

If possible, please relay to the developer that not everyone is as angry as some of the overreating people from newgrounds, and there are tons of people looking forward to his game. Let him know that even if he can not get the game done for R7 now, we still would love to see it eventually, and please to not stop work on it.

If an agreement can be worked out with KgZ, it should even be possible to get it out at R7, but if not that's understandable. But just let him know that it would be a real disappointment if he didn't finish it because it looked amazing.

>>4422451
I think i read he cancelled his reservation, is that hard to resolve?

>>4422451
I told him this, I think he realizes how most people feel now.

In the last email I got from the developer he said that he's happy people want him to continue production, and that he wants to think things over, so give him a break. He's embarrassed for having done what he did, even if it was just a misunderstanding. Nobody wants to be labeled a plagiarist, that's a big no-no in both the western community and the Japanese doujin scene. Apologizing and agreeing to cancel everything was probably the most mature thing to do on his part, considering he wasn't quite sure what was going on and only knew that he had inadvertently pissed a bunch of people off. If he came in with an aggressive stance it would have made negotiations difficult.

Anyway I'm going to bed now so I'll check this stuff again tomorrow.
Hope things work out for everyone involved.

BTW I don't usually use tripcodes but this is just in case some trolls decide to try and screw things up, this is 4chan afterall. I probably won't hold onto this name after this stuff is over so don't get worked up over the trip please.

Let it die, Anon. LET IT FUCKING DIE.

>>4422575
>Newgrounds:
>Going to bed now, thanks for the cooperation all.

>Here's a link to the thread on 4chan if anyone's interested (but don't troll/flame please, let's not make this into some kind of board war).

>http;//boards.4chan,org/jp/res/4417470

YOU IMBECILE!

>>4422773

tripcode user, of course he's a faggot.

>>4422773
>ZOMFG RULES 1 AND 2 NEWFAG!!!!11!1
gb2/b/

>>4422847
i think hes referring to the faggots finding out about this board and making it even more shitty

>>4422847
>remembers RotI
No, YOU gb2/b/

short: fuck you america, fuck you!

>>4422857
Isn't that what rules 1 and 2 are all about?

As if anyone from that thread would give a shit about this board. They're Newgrounds users who have no interest in Touhou or 2D for that matter. And 4chan's not "underground" anymore anyway.

Don't worry bro, nobody's going to be invading our treehouse, not today.

>>4422847
You're a fucking idiot.

counter-sage

because vampirish night is fucking amazing, fuck the haters

This incident highlights why the US copyright paranoia sucks ass, why everyone on internet is a 13 year old CRUISE CONTROL imbecile, why the Japanese apologetic societal norms are stupid and counterproductive, and how it is impossible for westerners to grasp the concepts of doujin publications before calling in the lawyers.

But it is nice to see some people are finally using their weeabofaggotry for good.

>>4422431
Wow, that is some pure uncut Japanese Shame right there.

>>4422575
How could I when you're the first person I've seen in the past 6 years who actually manages to PROPERLY USE A TRIPCODE GODDAMNIT I HATE ALL OF YOU EXCEPT FOR HIM NOW

>http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/
>You are free:
>to Share — to copy, distribute and transmit the work
>to Remix — to adapt the work
>Under the following condititions:
>Attribution — You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work).
>Noncommercial — You may not use this work for commercial purposes.
>Share Alike — If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under the same or similar license to this one.

This is what the music is licensed under.
What did this guy do wrong again? If they don't like people using their music without getting a blowjob every time asking for permission they shouldn't use a fucking Creative Commons license.

>>4423364
>What did this guy do wrong again?

>Noncommercial
>Guy was going to sell the game

>Attribution
>Creator (erroneously) thought he was uncredited at the time

:/

>>4423364
>You may not use this work for commercial purposes

Are you implying you don't know what commercial purposes means?

>>4423381
It's a doujin game based on another doujin game.
He's barely going to cover his own costs with a price of 750¥ if at all. And it would have sold like what, a hundred copies?
How is this "commercial"?

>>4423406
>How is this "commercial"?
If you sell it, it's commercial, it doesn't matter if you sell it at a loss, you're selling it.
Stop being a hippy and learn economics 101, fag.

If he releases this game, I'll actually import it and not pirate it. Just so that way I can help him out with the shit he went through.

Should of let the guy use his music but asked for credit.

I'm sure KgZ pirates a bunch of shit and now he complains when people "steal" his content. what a scumbag. People like him are the reason we can't have nice things.

>>4423364
>>4423381
>>4423387
>>4423406
>>4423436
Because what a bunch of old fart politicians who know shit about the internet decided in some offline courtroom somewhere really matters to us, right???

Fuck, this is the internet, REAL WORLD LAWS DON'T APPLY HERE, when will you retards learn.

>>4423490
Sure LAWNMOWERMAN.

>>4423436
>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/commerce?db=luna
>an interchange of goods or commodities, esp. on a large scale between different countries (foreign commerce) or between different parts of the same country (domestic commerce); trade; business.
>large scale
>doujin game sold at Touhou convention

Doesn't sound too commercial to me.

Anyone saved the demo video?

>>4423553
I wish I did.
Had it as a favorite on Youtube, but it looks like he removed it and closed his account.
If you know Japanese I guess you could ask him for it on his Twitter or something.

>>4423553
Yes.

Someone summarize this thread in less than 10 words please. I'm really in a lazy mood today.

>>4423521
>esp. large scale
>"esp." Means "most often, but not always"
Reading comprehensions, get some.

>>4423688
>>4421482

>>4423688
Doujin designer uses copyrighted music, Amerifag musician's fans butthurt.

Good night, sweet prince.

>>4423714

>romanji

Every single time.

>>4423707
I see, thank you. The musician could have jumped on this occasion to become "famous", complaining wasn't a smart move.

>Someone summarize this thread in less than 10 words please.

America & Japanese apologists, I am disappoint.

I can't believe this shit. Because some fucking internet drama we won't see this fucking awesome game?

>>4423856
More like because of some fucking American teenager. God, what a faggot. He should have been happy someone liked his shitty music enough to put it in their game.

At this point, I blame the author of Vampirish Night

KgZ apologizes for the attacks, says he's cool with his music being used, and offers to write original songs for the game.

But the author decides to cancel the game and keep it to himself forever, nice passive aggressive bullshit. Way to accept your mistakes and move on.

>>4424028
Faggot gaijin doesn't know about my Japanese spirit.

>>4424028
Faggot gaijin don't know about my Japanese spirit.

>>4417711

this.

Pretty much ALL pre-20th century classical music is plagarized to some extent.

>>4424028
>he's cool with his music being used
Yeah, after they raided the poor guy and fucked his shit KgZ is now "okay" with it.
Fucking faggot. Should have just shut up from the beginning.

"he stole my bits" : pure internet drama!

>>4424028
>KgZ apologizes for the attacks, says he's cool with his music being used, and offers to write original songs for the game.
That's not the fucking point. I mean, if someone stole your music/art/whatever, wouldn't you try to talk to that person first? But what did that guy do?
This shit is so obvious. Why are there still people trying to defend him? He was just making a scene to get attention. I mean, what the fuck? He even posted on multiple forums or blogs or whatever.

GO MY MINIONS. ATTACK. ATTACK.
INTERNET DRAMA LULZ.
AHAHAHAHA.
DANCE FOR ME.

Oh, and I actually spoke to the guy and we're cool.

I don't have any strong feelings towards either party, but this is rather fucking unfortunate.

You guys are fucking idiots, KgZ didn't realize that the game credits him at the very end after it's beaten, and not anywhere else. Nobody made any effort to try and contact him about it.

He respected the project from the beginning and tried to be civil about it, he even offered to make original work for the game, and you faggots are attacking him as if he tried to shut the project down for it.

That and Newground's policy doesn't cover commercial uses of the music on the site, he has every right to want permission before the guy goes off and sells a game containing his original work.

If the creator wants to throw away the game now because of it then it's his fault, KgZ's been civil about the whole situation, acknowledged it was largely a misunderstanding and even supported making original music for the game. It's not his fault you guys are taking it out on him because you're butthurt over the creator overreacting and cancelling the game.

God, fuck all of you.

>>4424439
Sup NG, cool double standards there.

>>4424439
>he has every right to want permission before the guy goes off and sells a game containing his original work.
please die, we don't need people like you in this world

>>4424075
he just wanted credit. he didn't know how to contact the person who had the videos and to make sure he was credited. asking Newgrounds, fucking terrible idea yeah. but other than his choice of what community to ask for help from, he didn't do anything wrong.

>>4424439
>commercial uses of the music
>doujin game sold at Reitaisai for 8 bucks

Reading the NG thread made me genuinely sad.
I feel sorry for KgZ, whom unknowingly made such a mess, and has to live with the death of a touhou game on his conscience.
I also feel even worse for the poor Doujin circle/guy, whose reputation may have been considerably damage and felt obliged to cancel development.

I really hope they can sort this shit out.
Thanks to whoever acted as a translator between them, if you\re from here.

>>4424439
Learn 2 Japanise copyrights.

Hey dudes, let's think about this. Will we care in 2 weeks?

>>4424822
I'll care until I see the game or die.

>>4424822

This will be the new Cirno Racing. You know, since there was an actual game here not just a myth.

hay kgz is cool. he wouldn't have minded if he was contacted prior to adding his music. i mean this is basically free publicity

Do we have an official stance on the status of the game?

KgZ:
I'll convince him to finish the game for the touhou fans by making a Vampirish Night Theme.

Either that or I'll record a video of myself tap dancing.

>>4425100

Good, he started this shit up, it would be nice if he fixed it.

Everyone needs to hug each other forgive, and move on...

>>4425727
I'd rather rape your face with /jp/ sauce.

>>4425741
Obvious Newgrounds posted who migrated here from the link posted. We don't usually talk like that here, you're looking for /b/. It's a few boards down to the left.