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>>44129824
>Why should Gensokyo exist?
Because human thoughts have power and psychics exist. I consider it _likely_ that gensokyo or a few of the characters exist in some capacity, even if only as static blips of "energy".
>What would happen if a war were to occur?
Humanity wins ten times out of ten. There's simply no way youkai/gods, even with their powers, could fight off against billions of humans with our current technology, and yes, everyone would be involved. It would be similar to an alien invasion.
>What if there is NO war?
Governments step in an Gensokyo is recognized as an independent state, though it definitely wouldn't be independent.
>Would people want to enter the place to conquer the girls?
Of course, but doing so would be exceedingly difficult.
>Gensokyo would be like in the manga and games?
That's how people perceive it, so for the most part, yes.
>Would there be tourism to enter Gensokyo for millions of dollars?
If its not shut off and/or destroyed entirely, sure, though it might take underground means.
>What if the Hakurei barrier is broken?
Nothing good I imagine.
>What would Lunarians do?
Keep jacking themselves off for thousands of years.

>>44129881
Mmm... i like how this is going

>>44129824
I'm the Anon you were talking to in the previous thread when we decided to make this one. My apologies, but it was very late and I fell asleep shortly after you made this. For my take on the idea, I believe Gensokyo or something like it does exist due to the stories we have throughout history of all the myriad gods and monsters. If not in the form they present themselves as in the works made by Zun, then in some tangible form that may or may not have been shaped by the collective of humanity like some type of egregore before they were able to break free from our constraints. I would like to discuss the rest later but right now am at work. Hopefully this thread doesn't disappear by the time I get back. For anyone else coming into this, the general idea was to assume Gensokyo or its real world proxy is real to some extent, and the discussion was basically along the idea of /jp/ meets /x/ without the far extemes of the girls being harmless goofs or turbo murdercannibals. Somewhere in the middle, with a touch of real world myth discussion and how it may relate?

>>44129824
>What if Gensokyo were a real place?
It is

>>44134176
Well, yes. Of course it is. But how would one get there, and what kind of person would it have to be? What do you think about contacting one of the Sages without ending up on someone's menu? Is it possible? I believe so, but to what extent or what skills or favor a human from the Outside World would need is up in the air, besides being suicidal or a death row inmate that wouldn't be missed.

>>44134790
You can get there through weaker points in reality, so all you have to do is figure out where a lot of people end up mysteriously disappearing and go there look for it.

>>44134884
Wouldn't that put you near the Road of Reconsideration? It'd be a death sentence the minute you found yourself on the other side, don't you think? Unless you get lucky or have someone to help the transition across so they could act as a sort of guide.

If Gensokyo was invaded it probably wouldn't go well for us desu. Cause you have mfs like Hecc who enjoy Gensokyo as it currently is, and then all Reimu has to do is pop a fantasy nature and ggswp we're fucked

>>44129824
I have no clue if it exists or not, if it did I'd kind of be horrified because that probably would also mean Avalon exists as it's western counterpart and Avalon existing would basically show the west is being run by immortal creatures that don't have humanities best interest at heart.

So the place for you to go to should be in Nagano or at the very least somewhere similar in Japan, right?

>>44135016
Anyone seriously considering going to Gensokyo ought to resolve some means of self protection before going. Firearms obviously won't help against anything strong, but it's weaker yokai who tend to attack randomly in the first place right? So if you can ward off even a few of them you might be able to get your foot in the door.
Personally, if I were to ever think of going, it'd be with the primary goal of getting stronger somehow, then carving out some place to live a fulfilling life. Whether it be by magic or spiritual enlightenment, Gensokyo has those kinds of things in spades.
I just don't wanna get chomped as soon as I enter, or stuck living the boring life in the human village, or booted out/killed cause I disturbed the peace with my guns blazing entrance...it's difficult.

>>44135982
Anything feral enough that you can't reason with it should be weak enough that a rifle will incapacitate it, with this in mind I will blast my way to the Garden of the Sun and ask Yuuka to marry me.
She might laugh, but I'm dedicated enough to simply keep trying until she yields and gives me an in.
Once the first date is secured, youkai wife is but a matter of time.

>>44129824
What if there was no heaven?
What if all the people lived for today?
What if there were no countries?
What if there was no religion?
What if all the people lived life in peace?
What if there were no possessions?
What if all the people shared the world?

>>44136033
Get out of here you commie devil.
>>44135982
Staying on topic I'd would probably bring some fire arms with me, but not to much to have one of the sages constantly watching behind my back. I probably try to become more of a physical, melee threat instead of relying too much on magic. And if I had no choice I would be fine living a quiet peaceful life in the human village.

>>44136309
Oh hell, yeah, it's Gunso/k/yo time!!

What arm do you think you'd be able to get away with??
Do you think a .223 would be enough to convice a youkai you aren't worth trying to eat? Or would you need something more like a 45/70?
Can Yuuka be hurt by a 14.5x114 as fired from a PTRS?

This is a question of extreme autism, please respond.

>>44136338
Sorry Anon, I haven't really gotten into the technical stuff of guns. I just know they'll be something I would need to survive the first few days in Gensokyo.

I don't think bringing firearms in Gensokyo would really be a good idea.
I'll probably just try my best to live alone and if I really wanted to do something beyond just walking around or living in the human village, trying to create some sort of encyclopedia about whatever exclusive to Gensokyo would probably be interesting.

>>44136401
It's not a good idea. The only way a firearm would work on the Gods or Youkai would be if it has se historical backing as a gun of spiritual significance like a 1911 or the gun that won the west; in other words-meme status firearms. The problem is that the second you bring one in, you're a target. From everything. You hurt a nonhuman, you're dealt with. You hurt a human villager-unending pain, then death. Only the spiritual works against them. And it's like an anthill of random colonies inside but the second you present yourself as using anything outside the carefully balanced system the whole hill swarms you. That's assuming you're even let in with certain things in the first place, and you're always being watched the second you're near the territory of Nagano to begin with.

The best bet is to have some form of belief, practice, or amulet/item/object that provides what you're needing, and you best be damn sure you get the permission and protection of the local Gods before you head into the mountains to find the place.

Your easy(manual labor) life would be the Human village, but the second you start spreading certain "ideas" or do something out of the ordinary you "have an accident" from the Youkai groups (Yukari) that always watch, it the humans don't ostracize you like they did Marisa.

The only other option would be to become a Youkai in the Outside before coming in, or (again like Marisa) going off on your own to certain death, but with the assurance that you're free to become non human since you're working within the confines of the unspoken rules of the world.




The only real question is "How do I get in?" Going to the physical real-world proxies for the locations within won't yield anything of significance unless you're really lucky/unlucky, but it's worth a shot.

>>44136678
>>44136401
10 foot-tonnes of force says otherwise!
Spiritual force or no, they're getting .58 calibre holes poked in them!

>>44129881
>There's simply no way youkai/gods, even with their powers, could fight off against billions of humans with our current technology
ironically its likely the "weaker" gods that cause natural disasters that would fuck us up the hardest
you have billions? well, those billions have to be fed and whooopsie there goes your harvests because you pissed off harvest deity xyz the stage 1 boss, enjoy starving to death

also, gensokyo has a technology level higher than the outside as evidenced by kappa, underground and the loonies (they kinda count)

>>44135982
couldn't you simply bring in some spiritual objects to use as crude danmaku? i'd imagine a super soaker of holy water would work and technically be enough to fall under the spell card system to not have to fight for your life immediately.
once in you can start securing some more permanent means of self defense, like a blade forged by youkai (kitchen knife from kogasa)

>>44136678
>historical backing as a gun of spiritual significance like a 1911
can someone explain this to me please, i see this everywhere here but i have no idea what people are talking about, why the 1911?

>>44138429
Because it's become a meme. Everyone claims how the 1911 is the best handgun ever and how it can blow the lung out of an elephant or some other exaggeration over time. When they came out, they were good at what they did, and that contributed to the legend of a good, simple, powerful, and reliable pistol. Over time it became flanderized as the end-all be-all for pistols just like the Mosin Nagant turned into the "moist nugget" due to memes.

Regardless, the people of Gensokyo have guns that have passed into fantasy or become forgotten so there's probably a 1911 laying around in Rinnosuke's shop somewhere, but due to his autism is being used as a vase or whatever.

>>44136678
>The only real question is "How do I get in?"
I've been thinking about this question for some time and I was unable to think anything.
Maybe the study of something equivalent to the Onmyōji, as in astronomy or divination mixed together to search for a place? I'm not really knowledgeable on the occult or esoteric to really make a judgement though.

>>44143095
I'm one of the two from another thread that came up with the idea for this one.
The original premise was a sort of cross between /jp/ and /x/ without all the coomers, memes, and stereotypes of them being fluff balls or turbo murderers. I would honestly like to see a discussion about the more occult and esoteric side on interacting with the residents and the world as a whole, with the question about getting in being part of it.

As for Onmyoji, that's a good idea, honestly. And using shikigami is akin to using computer coding, but Yukari is very selective about who she lets in by keeping the tech knowledge low or nonexistent. Maybe becoming/practicing the ways of the hermit? Or some form of magic practice, even if you get little/no outcome in the Outside world. Thing like that may put us on the radar, but if that's a good or bad thing is left up to conjecture. Ley lines, bagua, and electromagnetic energy? Maybe. Anybody else want to chip in on odeas for this? My 'tism is tickling.

>>44143188
I've been thinking about something. Would being a person who knows about Touhou bring some difficulty in trying to get into Gensokyo?
For meta reasons for example, wouldn't it be strange to have an outsider showcase that he's already familiar with the place or people?

>>44129881
>could fight off against billions of humans
How many able bodied people are there actually? I mean, if only the men fight that's half of the world slashed, accounting old people and children, how many people would Gensokyo have to fight off?

>>44138429
"TWO WORLD WARZZZZZZZ"
"STOPPIN' POWA"
"ONLY NEED 8 SHOTS"

Big fat slow bullet is the perfect match to big fat slow NEET anons.
A S&W model 26 would probably be even better though, just need to grow you hair out, be six feet tall and speak with a mild cowboy accent while chasing down Seija for her crimes.

>>44138777
Holy trips, may JMB be with you brudder.

>>44143910
I'm the trip Anon. Thank you. Now if JMB can convince the Sages to let me in, I promise to use that gift to become fluent in Magic so I can combine it with the glory of the bullet to make gunfu a reality.

Dear Sages, all my posts are harmless fun and I can be trusted with being in Gensokyo with a gun.

>>44143770
I really hope that's not the case. But I definitely see why you would think that. However, something that's always confused me on that subject is that if the forgotten go to Gensokyo, and belief strengthens the solidity of an object/being/concept, then wouldn't believing in Gensokyo and knowing it exists loop a person who would normally not be able to get in due to knowing too much back around the other side of the chart to a position of being qualified? I have to admit, I've been to those mountains, and something is in the air. Maybe it's Youkai, maybe it's me experiencing clean air for once. I can't say. But I know I want to go back, that's for damn sure. If I get eaten then, well, sucks to suck, but if I actually stumble across the place then you can bet I'm shooting for a magician job change.
Schizo? Maybe. Hotel? Haunted.

>>44145213
This reminds me of an idea I had for fanfiction, where a totally-not-self-inserted autist got gapped in after calling Yukari a hug during one of her visits to outside world bars, and went on a complete schizo trip wherin he makes multiple firearms, most notably a Martini-henry style rifle in 14.5x114, but 12.7, and rimmed because extractors.

Funnily enough, if you want to use a gun to fuck around in gensokyo, making it yourself while quoting the bible would be a pretty good way to ensure spiritual damage, along with tactical decorations and engravings.
Naming it would also work wonders, special points for "Charlene", "Arcadia", and "Putty".

>>44145395
"Kindness"

>>44145395
But seriously? I just wanna go to the SDM.

>>44145395
Do not forget Maria!

>>44145447
Gotta appeal to the bratty snob that is remilia, or convince meiling that risking getting knived is worth whatever it is you'd do in there.
The easiest way would be to present a Colt Walker clone, complete with intricate engraving on the cylinder and gold inlay along the lines of the action and barrel.
Once completed, you now have a masterwork of art to present to the Dead Princess, and THAT'S your in to ̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶c̶u̶n̶n̶y̶ a happy monogamous relationship with Meiling-san based on common interests and mutual respect.

The scariest thing about Gensokyo is the fact that if you died in in you probably wouldn't be free. Former Hell/Hell, Heaven, and all the other realms that exist in the 2hu verse may very well be extensions of Gensokyo and only serve people from within it.

>>44145490
Fantastic idea, really, but if anyone, I'm courting, marrying, mating-pressing, and maybe having kids with the Mistress. Meiling is awesome, but the only cunny IM after is the older bat lady. And that's only after I win her heart.

>>44145520
You plan on leaving??
>>44145521
B-but anon, s-she's a loli, t-that's i-illegal!!
I'm joking, but for me the size difference would be too much, limiting me to either the sociopath with a blade fetish or china.

>>44145477
We *just* had a whole discussion about how the 1911 as given to us by JMB (PBUH) through the Lord himself is clearly the superior choice, so at LEAST pick the .45 unique.
ALShID would be possibly the ultimate weapon, had some idiot not made a 10G revolver/hand cannon muzzleloader COMPLETE with crucifix attachment.
Guy was either hunting wendigo, or was rushing to get to Gensokyo before the barrier went up to live out the weeb life we all crave.
But get outta here with your heathen arm, in trash eurocalibre, a pale imitation of JMB's perfection, with inferior DSSF mags and shortened recoil guide.
Thou might speak of the holy book, but thee hath not the words grasp'd in mind, nay, thou art a usurer and a liar, who speak with the Serpent's tongue.

>>44145580
She's about 4'7 - 4'8, so not that bad. But if anyone, it'd be her. You can't wrong the Hong, and everyone loves a blade maid, but for me it's the mistroos Remimi.

Also, you speak well of the gospel truth. I am reminded of the Holy Murder Cube.

>>44145580
>I'm joking, but for me the size difference would be too much, limiting me to either the sociopath with a blade fetish or china.
Expand your horizons anon! It should be easy for Patchouli to whip up a temporary aging/fertility potion for the mistress. That "little girl" is soon to be a massively voluptuous queen!

>>44145633
True, but I take the classic approach-big or small, love em all, but anything more than a handful is a waste.

And I'd rather pick the mind of the Patch on her vast magical knowledge over a nice cup of Turkish coffee.

>>44145633
>It should be easy for Patchouli to whip up a temporary aging/fertility potion for the mistress.
What's this, a hentai doujin??
That's almost as bad as Eirin's constant mixing of futa drugs for no apparant reason!!

>>44145631
I am literally well over a whole foot taller than her, are you aware of the phrase "Like chalking a pool que"?

As for best books/verses for your gunsmithing incantations, I'd say Genesis is pretty good, since the idea of the whole world being the property of Man is a powerful one against not-men.

>>44145395
I might as well explain this joke while I'm here.
Charlene is the name of Pvt. Leonard "Pyle" Lawrence in FMJ, and Putty is what Bart calls his putter when Homer tells him to name it, back when simpsons writers knew how to make a decent pop culture reference.
Except it isn't and I misremembered it. Oh well, I like putty better anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-Cw9tbhSg4

>>44145580
>had some idiot not made a 10G revolver/hand cannon muzzleloader COMPLETE with crucifix attachment.
Source while I'm here and to not clog things up with multiple posts; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YziAAEG5sf8

>>44145704
Hey, I can respect that. More Mistress for me. You can have the pretty dragon lady, I approve.

To bring up another part of the discussion, though- while it's never outright stated, is the SDM part or in whole inspired by the mansion in the Kyu-Furukawa Gardens? Anybody have any input on this?

>>44145745
I think I remember this being brought up before, although I don't think I ever stated anything personally.
To me at least, the short answer is "Not really."
The long answer is that ZUN is a very japanese man who has notably poor english skills, and probably doesn't know the difference between that and a real western style house, and in throwing together backgrounds and stuff probably used it, or houses like it as a reference in lieu of actual western buildings. To this end, it'd be a little presumtuous to say it totally wasn't but at the same time using it as a reference for what western style architecture looks like would lend it a particular look, but i'd stop short of saying it was anything more than that.

Of course, this is my guess based on how hodge podge ZUN's understanding of the West appears to be, and how EoSD used stock images that some poeple latch on to, like Sakuya's pocket watch being American.
I'd not look too far into that, since it's probably just a stock image that happened to be an american design despite it clearly being a european styled everything else.
Americans don't build big stone manor houses with walls around the gardens, but you can find plenty of these in Europe, a lot of them as garden centres and coffee shops now.

The only thing that I could really point to as being totally weird on that particular house is the lack of a soffet, but that's a minor detail and common enough in some parts anyhow (Just not on manor houses), so it doesn't count for much.

>>44145813
Well I'll be damned. I was the one that brought up the American pocket watch thing. Small world.

But I get what you're saying about all of that as far as the mansion goes. I'm just legitimately curious as to the architecture of how it would be laid out, magic shennanigans aside. The autist in me wants to map the place out using references and real world inspirational sources, if any actually exist.

>>44145848
Well, it's clearly a manor house and not a castle, which are two *very* different things.
Manor houses aren't too common outside of France and Britain, since they lack fortifications for defense against a siege, and thus needed large, stable countries with fairly stable borders to work with. Designs can vary, but the most iconic and common is the two wing design, with a central hall/staircase to the 1st floor, maybe with the ends crooked to give a courtyard.

Farmhouses can look a little similar to this, and for good reason; This design gives a very shielded courtyard to do stuff in, like haul machinery or grain, but these would have stables in the far ends of the wings, threshing rooms, stores, etc., so their shape would be more like a square horseshoe, and a manor house would be much more like a square bracket ( [ ).

Therefore, it would be helpful to know Remilia's background and occupation to get a good estimate of a layout, but my guess is that it's probably a fairly Southern English/Norman style with a vinyard attached.

Northen britain sucks at growing anything other than cereal and root vegetables, and unless Remilia is a strappin' scots lassie, I doubt she'd be on board with a diet of porridge and turnips for most of the week. Even if she was, I think she'd take any other option, that's a grim diet if there is one.

She could be southern French, but canonically in FS she speaks fluent English, which technically speaking 500 years ago might have been useful in large parts of France, but I doubt it was a very common language in English territories on the continent. Just doesn't seem very french to be anything but stubbourn when it comes to language.

Northern France/Normandy might be a bit of an exception, but I'd place my bets on some part of the south coast of england, if I had to.

I went really off topic here, but this is my opinions on Remilia's background, backed up with a little circumstantial evidence I can glean from the canon works and my own knowledge, so I hope it's interesting enough.

>>44145956
No, no, this is exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for, as well as the geneology of the Scarlets. While they may be British, for some reason I get a very Anglo-Saxon/Norman vibe from them. My history isn't that up to snuff on wine other than what to pair red and white with, but wasn't France more known for vineyards than England? They do make their own with help from Sakuya's time-hax.

>>44145956
Oh, and another thing.
France doesn't really drink tea all that much.
The upper classes did, but I think at some point around the 19th century everyone switched to coffee.

Britain and Russia are the only two countries that are really associated with black tea specifically, and Remilia drinks "red" tea, which at least in chinese is just what they call black tea. Translation error, probaby, although I guess she could actually be drinking hot blood, although that would be terrible since blood clots when you heat it up like eggs. Exactly like eggs in fact, you can replace eggs with blood in pancakes and it works fine. If you like metallic tasting pancakes that is.

It turns out that I don't have many pictures of Remilia, so settle for Flan instead

>>44146015
England does have some vinyards, although it's mostly modern and white wine only, but there's nothing actually preventing the growth of red grapes I don't think, although the flavour might be a little off from the cooler climate.

Red wine really needs a dry warm climate to be good, and funnily enough the best ones often come from spain or the very southern coast of France and Tuscany.
It's unlikely that Remilia would live in a part of the country that would be much more suited to red grape vineyards than white anyway, so at best we can just say either;

A) ZUN doesn't know how wine works- Probably correct, since Japan doesn't grow many grapes from what I can tell, and he probably just hasn't had any that didn't come with a steak dinner or something.

B) Patchy cast a spell to make the grapes sweeter- More fun to speculate about, but still a bit disappointing.

C) The wine is terrible, without magic anyway and Remilia is just hoping she can charisma her way through it. - Added in last minute, just thought of it at the end of this. Funny, if a little uncharacteristic.

All in all, any decent answer to this is probably going to be a bit of a cop-out, since my best estimate for their actual location prior to gensokyo would be outside where decent red wine can be made, so I wouldn't get too hung up on it.

>>44146083
That's perfectly fine, I love the Flumph too. And I think the red tea could also be... what was it, rooiboos, or something? I don't know about that specifically, but yeah it's more than likely black tea. And I know they don't actually drink just straight blood, but mix it into the food for the sisters. Humans can eat the food with the blood removed, it would just be a cake or something at that point. Do you have any other info you could think of, or anything you would want to ask about in relation?

Also, how exactly did the concept of blood pancakes come about for you? Am I secretly talking to Sakuya on her break?

>>44146162
Robbaz did a video wayyyy back in 2016 or something, and I just remembered it when the topic came up. It's more than edible, blood sausage is eaten pretty much everywhere but the US, usually for breakfast. Pig's blood isn't much different than human, I don't think anyway... There wouldn't be anything actually harmful biologically about it, although you can debate internally whether that still counts as cannibalism or not.

It's just a neat coincidence that blood congeals much like an egg does, due to the proteins contained in both. The only difference really is that it tastes (Surprise Surprise) a bit like blood, so it wouldn't be great in a cake or sweet pastry, and the reddish colour. Scrambled blood doesn't work though, you'd just burn it and make a gloopy mess.

>>44145631
Ave Nex Alea, fellow remibro

>>44145848
>>44145956
The type of building the SDM was most likely inspired by are the french Château. They are quite widespread in Europe, even in England.
You can find listings for them online quite easily, although most of them have fallen into disrepair and would need renovations costing several millions.

>>44146015
>>44146152
Fun bit of trivia; up until the 16th century courts in England would primarily use french and the English Aristocracy continued to use it until the Napoleonic Wars.

Seeing as Remilia is 500 years old, she would have grown up before the end of the Ouiaboo era, which would explain the french elements present. But its also likely that ZUN, as japanese person, was not really aware of the minuscule differences and this is the touhou equivalent of writing a high school character analysis.

>>44146836
The bit about the chateaû is what had me leaning towards them being French, mixed with (if its not just for chuuni style) the Norse weaponry the sisters have. That would technically play into them being of Norman descent, considering the Normans have ties to the Vikings that settled into/founded Normandy. I don't know how much that could be true but I like to think it could be. As for the mansion and bloodlines, Scarlet isn't their original surname, as it was both given to, and then adopted by, Remilia due to her eating habits. There is another Anon I talked with a God while back about this and they brought up an interesting tidbit about King Louis XII and Anne of Brittany having two stillborns at the exact time frame that the sisters are supposedly born at- one in 1502, and the other recorded at 1507. The two kids are marked as "male", but at that point in history having males was the only thing they cared about, so it was probably marked as such to avoid scandal, or at least that's my theory since the other Anon convinced me so well.

>>44147153
I really hate this damn predictive text on my phone, always messing everything up. But I'm currently not in reach of a computer, so please look past my retarded typos.

>>44147153
So, did Yukari get everybody in the thread, or something?

>>44129824
Prism sister go back to their home land UK

>>44147153
>King Louis XII and Anne of Brittany having two stillborns at the exact time frame that the sisters are supposedly born at- one in 1502, and the other recorded at 1507
That is a really interesting theory.

>>44153885
I'm honestly interested in how that would play out, myself. We know that Remilia isn't actually related to Dracula/Vlad through biological means, discounting a "vampire origin" way of looking at it. And they claim to be nobility, at the very least part of the aristocracy, if anything. But if they are the daughters of Anne and Louis then they would make some sense in the two of them being both English and French in origin or leaning. Isn't "Remilia" a French pronunciation of the Italian "Emilia"? Flandre is pronounced the way the French spell Flander, considering there's a French Flanders in modern day Belgium. Scarlet-> "Escarlate"?

And would they be Bourbons, then? I'm not fully up to date on all that.

>>44129824
How do you know it isn't real?

>>44129881
>Humanity wins ten times out of ten
Sakuya can easily stop time and kill most world leaders, so could Yukari with a different, more effective (and grandiose) method. Normal citizens seeing these dangerous youkais take out their leaders with a flick of the wrist will only get more scared, thus strengthening Gensokyo even further.

>>44164053
Presidents going into hiding 50,000 feet in the air or deep underground are perfectly safe. Yukari may have her gapping ability but she's not omniscient, and neither is Sakuya, who'd be much easier to kill as well.

>>44164123
until they run out of food or die of old age meanwhile youkai are ageless and probably spiritually immortal

Alright, honest question. How could a group of regular humans destroy gensokyo and erase youkai from existence? Think about it. Youkai need faith to exist. If you somehow are able to convince all humans that youkai are just fabrications and that the outside world has left them long ago, they would wither away, right?

>>44166513
The (((Tengu))) have a de facto monopoly on the news in the Human Village, and without modern technology or their support, you're relying on word of mouth. 99 times out of 100, you're only going to reach a few people before you and everyone who helped you get massacred, with everyone told either being part of that, or, if they're lucky, somehow mindraped into forgetting it.

Even supposing you somehow succeeded, I guarantee the existence of Half-Youkai would be one of the first counterarguments used to regain belief. After all, if someone with youkai ancestry can continue to exist without belief, obviously youkai themselves should be no different.

>>44166513
The only real solution is to completely annihilate Gensokyo, though this might not even be enough since I wouldn't put it beyond Yukari to have a small reservoir of humans in the outside world. Studying the nature of youkai and human energetics might let you destroy them in a more "spiritual" way, or perhaps even reprogram them entirely to do nothing but serve you.

>>44166513
Well, the easiest solution would be simplest - kill every human in the village before the sages realise. The Human Village and its faith are effectively Gensokyo's pillar, so if we knock this pillar down (preferably with a WMD) the rest comes crashing down with it.

>>44166513
if you SOMEHOW managed to convince all humans in gensokyo that the youkai all around them are fake without every single one of them immediately coming after your ass to immediately turn you into hamburger helper, eating you and shitting you out, then they'd just fade until they find a suitable space to build another gensokyo because we know that youkai can survive in the outside (although not indefinitively)
all they'd have to do is to find a bunch of gullible enough humans again and rebuild from scratch

>>44145813
>soffet
never heard of it before

>>44143770
What if astrophysicist, but versed in mythology and classical languages (Latin and Attic Greek)? Do I have a chance?

>>44129824
Huh?

You know how in some countries, there are nursery rhymes of boogeymen to scare children into sleeping or warn them from going near lakes and all that? I wonder if that happens in Gensokyo as well, perhaps for Yuuka or the SDM.

>>44129824
Panic. International panic, depending on who finds out first.

>>44174173
The overhang from a roof being slightly larger than the walls of a house.
It means your front doorstep doesn't get as wet, and your downstairs windows are mostly kept dry unless the wind blows it in ofc.
Probably should have just said roof overhang, but that's a me issue.

They're not so common to find on houses from a certain timeframe where I live, since it's a little harder and more expensive to build, and I live in a (historically) poorish area, but I understand it to be common enough in England, and probably france as well.

>>44177748
if i had a penny for every mythology/history nerd astronomer that knows latin on /jp/ i'd have three pennies
is this just the specific autism required for touhou or simply a consequence of reading classicals

>>44181807
Yuuka is canonically pretty much a non-threat unless you do something really stupid to her garden, like try and set it on fire or something.
She visits the village regularly, and while this is probably more because blocking her would cause more trouble than letting her in, it's fair to assume that she doesn't cause any much trouble while she's there, since otherwise Reimu'd have to go beat her ass. Or try to anyway.

>>44188544
What were the other occurences? I do haunt /jp/ semi-regularly so it could've been me

>>44188544
Mine came free with an elective in highschool.....
But with that said, we should get all that's interested to start a thread about real ways we could get in/be let in Gensokyo without getting mauled by an attack Rumia.

>>44189862
would an elephant gun put roomba down?

>>44188544
No, I think its deeper than simple coincidences. I'm not a physicist or an astronomer but I am... some things, and Touhou is deeply fascinating to me, more so than the other franchises I've delved into over time. Think about what kinds of people get into mythology/astronomy in the first place.

>>44192207
Same. There's something about the place, characters, lore, etc., that draw certain people in far deeper than the surface and the porn. It's like a calling, almost-to discover what was forgotten and left behind. I've gotten to the point where I regularly search antique stores in the hopes that I find something historically related to the eras Gensokyo is set in/related to certain people within the world. Plus, libido aside, I really want to meet certain people from Gensokyo and spend time with them.

>>44143770
Would programmers even be a threat? I mean without even electricity I doubt most programmers could do anything related to their profession, and I think that applies to many different specialized fields since you would be limited to the resources you have in Gensoukyo, simple things like getting cooper for example would be hard so I'm not that sure if it's that easy to pull a dr. stone.
Until you don't make anything physical all the the theories wouldn't help you much, so I don't really think that they put the balance of Gensoukyo in danger unless they take a lot of them and from different fields.
>>44177748
Astrophysicists would not really be dangerous since it's a very advanced type of science, so I don't know how much you could do in a japanese 19th century village/town. So I would say you would be on the left of the chart. Unless knowledge of Gensoukyo means they will try to stop you from entering.
>>44136401
A problem with firearms that doesn't get mentioned is that if you don't have a silencer you might get in big trouble after shooting, since the smarter youkai would notice and maybe go against you since modern guns would give more power to the human village.
They probably have some olde firearms in the human village, but I don't remember firearms appearing much in Touhou so it's hard to know their effectiveness against youkai. Akyuu mentions them when talking about the lunar capital and Sumi has her 3d printed gun( wanted to write how that seems like a spellcard rule violation but knifes, Youmu's sword and Alice's gunpowder dolls all seem to be accepted as "non-lethal").
Also not sure if at least with lower calibers a machete or axe would be better to stop monsters with super regeneration, but more exhaustive in the long run. I think ideally having a machete as a sidearm and tool might be convenient, still it's hard to know if a gunshot would really attract unwanted attention before you shoot.
PMiSS also mentions that "normal" youkai would be weaker to spiritual attacks and beast youkai weaker to physical attacks(or at least worse regeneration), I'm not sure where a blessed weapon would enter but I guess it could work fine against both.

>>44200245
>Would programmers even be a threat?
Absolutely, but you'd need to be quite resourceful and creative. Gensokyo already has computers, and generating the necessary electricity to run them shouldn't be particularly difficult with the kinds of youkai that exist such as kappa. I'd try to work on building a fixed-wing drone to autonomously perform reconnaissance for me. This design would be quiet, efficient, stable, and simple to construct.
>Astrophysicists would not really be dangerous since it's a very advanced type of science
Ya never know. This knowledge might lend to specific patterns in/of Gensokyo becoming apparent to you, such as the nature of its border(s). Anyone intelligent enough to become an astrophysicist, both in terms of raw intelligence (memorization, etc.) and in their experiences (astrophysicists know advanced mathematics) could very well prove to be a threat.

>>44197129
I firmly believe that "other worlds" do exist, though whether or not this includes Gensokyo is a mystery to me. I heard a story a while ago of someone coming across what they described as a "portal" in southeast California. It was a light green, fuzzy sphere. I've driven deep into that area many times and haven't seen anything like it, but I also haven't gone into the mountains themselves where it supposedly was, so perhaps I'm not looking in the right spots. Even if it did exist I definitely wouldn't go near it.
Is it related to the Earths magnetic field? Ley lines?

>>44200509
Here's a rough map of the area. Red is me and the green field is the direction I was looking in.

>>44200245
>So I would say you would be on the left of the chart.
Shit, I meant Right.
>>44200366
> I'd try to work on building a fixed-wing drone to autonomously perform reconnaissance for me. This design would be quiet, efficient, stable, and simple to construct.
Gotta say I'm impressed with your idea. I don't remember computers being in Gensoukyou, and didn't consider Kappa technology I didn't even consider that you'd have some stuff at Kourindo to help and was just thinking of a scenario similar to being thrown to the past.

I didn't think of knowledge helping with magic since I was only thinking of outsiders being dangerous due to the potential technological advancements they could bring to the humans of Gensoukyo, but any potential magitian that could mess the balance could be a threat.

>>44200509
California was named after some fantastic land, maybe they also saw something there before choosing the name.

For some reason, the Hakurei Border disappears and Gensokyo is completely revealed to the world. It is located in the Yatsugatake mountain range. It previously appeared to be uninhabited forest and mountains, but now its landmarks are clearly visible due to the barrier's destruction. For story's sake, let's assume that Yukari let this happen (out of character but let's say she was bored for this hypothesis)
There would be immediate shock and disbelief within the Japanese government, who would immediately attempt to contain the incident following a bunch of hikers being salughtered by Youkai. Visitors would be turned away from Yatsugatake-Chūshin Kōgen Quasi-National Park and a heavy government, including military forces, would surround Gensokyo. The government would probably make some cover story and create psyops to combat the evidence and theories of a massive inhabited region like Gensokyo suddenly appearing. Officially, Gensokyogate would be a hoax, but there would be widespread conspiracy theories and outcry. We can only assume most of the inhabitants of Gensokyo, especially Youkai, would immediately become frightened and retreat into Gensokyo; a few humans would probably willingly make contact with the outsiders out of curiosity. The government would send research teams into Gensokyo to learn more about this anomaly and its inhabitants. Reimu Hakurei, the Hakurei Border's guardian, would likely immediately go to investigate the 'incident'. She would likely tell them to fuck off because they disturbed her peace or something; the government, taking a diplomatic approach, would politely reply with "fuck no". This is where conflict would likely occur. Reimu would most likely consider their point of view, but still reject them considering it's her job to preserve Gensokyo, which still means keeping out outsiders, even if they're human. After failed diplomacy with a 16 year old girl, the government would likely send in teams, because Reimu can't guard everywhere at once. This would probably end poorly for the outsiders; since Youkai are faith-based creatures, they can only be attacked with faith-based and magical weaponry (Reimu's main weapons are ofuda and Marisa uses talismans) because it actually attacks their souls. I assume most of the soldiers would be atheist/non-superstitious and their weapons would be unblessed. A rifle may be able to damage the physical form a youkai takes on, but their soul/spirit still lingers. The research teams and soldiers would likely get killed by even low level shitters like Rumia and Mystia. The Youkai would likely discover these new humans are near completely harmless and begin spilling over the government's perimeter to begin slaughtering them.

>>44200701
I'll be honest with you since you're saying this. I'm one of the two that made this thread and this kind of thing is something I was hoping would be discussed. I don't know about California, but I'd like to know more on this subject in general. I can say with some certainty that while it may not be Gensokyo, there's something in the mountains of Nagano. My week long trek up there proved that much.

>>44201010
There would be a massive retreat following the Youkai attack. Reimu might interfere to prevent Youkai from leaving (former?) Gensokyo, but the response from the government following a massacre of Army units. Indirect fire such as artillery and guided missiles would hit Gensokyo, in an attempt to curb the Youkai. These attacks would draw even more attention from the public, media, and politicians demanding transparency. The government would feebly cover it up as 'seismic tests' or 'terrorist' or something. The US government, not buying the lie either, demands the truth from the Japanese government. Folding under pressure, the Japanese government admits that it came into contact with 'previously uncontacted species', keeping it intentionally vague, as the public finding out that monsters of folklore have secretly lived alongside them for centuries would be too much of a shock, especially considering the dominance of religions like Christianity and Islam. I don't know where else I'm going with this story. I wish I had the autism to expand more. I think the youkai would get more violent over the next few months and the pilgrimage of Buddhists, Taoists, etc would just make the youkai more powerful and hungry. The government wouldn't know how to fight them and a coalition of Reimu, Marisa, Alice, and maybe Remilia and Sanae would try to suppress and contain the Youkai incursion. Either Gensokyo is destroyed by the government nuking it or something because it gets too out of hand or it stabilizes and the humans integrate into the outside world, their faith goes away, and the Youkai and Gods die out over the course of years. Bottom line is, Gensokyo would cease to exist in one way or another if it was revealed to the world.

>>44201010
A couple of problems. First of all, youkai are defeated by ordinary weapons all the time in myth. Half the stories about kitsune involve them getting beaten with sticks by peasants. Not to forget they have perfectly normal and exploitable weaknesses as well.

Second of all, it isn't within Reimu's purview to keep outsiders out. That's always been Yukari's job and calling. Reimu keeps things peaceful inside and deals with belligerent youkai. The only reason she ever comes into contact with outsiders is because the Hakurei shrine stands on the boundary, so she can send them back out. Then there's Sumireko, who was only dealt with by Reimu because she was causing trouble within Gensokyo. She's not a politician, either. As shown during the Symposium, the sociopolitical situation is entirely in the hands of kami and powerful youkai. The village also has its own leadership. Reimu wouldn't be the one negotiating anything.

>youkai are defeated by ordinary weapons all the time in myth.
Not this Anon but to elaborate on this, non-humans in Gensokyo are VASTLY more powerful than they ever were in myths. If the GHB were to go down, then even if they somehow maintained their historical levels of strength, modern military firepower would still result in it being a curbstomp battle. Keep in mind that youkai couldn't win a war against the Lunarians, who themselves were so easily BTFO'd that they considered the Apollo missions a war. A singular high calibur silver bullet would likely end up being instant death for all but the most powerful youkai without the GHB to give them their wank powers.

>>44201068
Even I don't know very much about it myself. One thing you should know is that the internet is pretty much full of shit, /x/ included of course. Every "spirituality" ecosystem that exists is filled to the brim with garbage. You'd have an easier time understanding "psychic abilities" by dissecting yourself and looking at your organs with a magnifying glass than reading articles online. Your own theorization and experimentation are paramount.
Regarding special areas, Sedona here in Arizona is quite an interesting place. Many years ago I was given access to a private area where me and a few other people went atop a mountain and put out our arms parallel to the ground with our palms facing forward. By rotating ourselves into specific positions we could feel faint electrical sensations in our fingertips. I believe it was something related to the arrangement of the land, specifically, its mountains. That area is considered a "Vortex"/to contain "Vortexes" which are described as "energized" areas (Geomagnetism?). I'm not really sure what the nature of it is, and there's no shortage of knickknack Instagram-tier "enlightenment" shops there, so take all of it with a heap of salt. I do believe specific areas of the Earth are special like this, and I think specific (religious) landmarks abuse this phenomena in a smoke-and-mirrors way to garner attention/following. I have to be careful with how I write this, because aside from what I personally experienced there's pretty much nothing I can definitively say about it. I'm only bringing it up here because I think its related to this topic.

>>44201068
So you're talking about a specific mountain or is it about mountains in general?
Also while trying to understand about onmyōdō, it seems that you are probably correct about the possibility of something being on the mountains, particularly things regarding portals or other worlds.
http://hushicho.captainn.net/onmy/onmyhid.htm

>>44207716
Well, if going by historical accounts of myth, legend, etc., then mountains in general are said to have some otherworldly pull/essence/presence/what have you. But for what I'm talking about in particular is the Yatsugatake mountains. When I went to those mountains for a week I had some interesting circumstances, and not just in nature, but the whole of Chino. I don't know what's up there, but something is in the air and I can definitely see why Zun chose that spot for Gensokyo (or the Sages, whatever). And for your link, I've not had the chance to look over it all, but yes. This. Exactly what I've been looking for. How'd you come across such a thing? Anything in particular, general curiosity, or adorning related to the location, maybe? Anybody got some stories about the mountain range and spooky stuff that may be related to Gensokyo? Personal accounts, stories, missing persons, "I heard one time", things like that?

>>44208309
I've never been to Japan, so my personal experience is absolutely nonexistent.
But in regards to your question to stories, there seems to have been a thread that, funny enough, is exactly about Yatsugatake and some of it's stories.
https://curry.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/occult/1014900507/

>>44129881
>There's simply no way youkai/gods, even with their powers, could fight off against billions of humans with our current technology
My favorite hag Yukari would just gap out h*mans' nuclear warheads all around the aircraft and spacecraft storages first, "world leader" heads second, population centers third
She'd have to leave some h*mans to have fear reaping reserves though

>>44208611
You are a gentle(wo)man and a scholar. Thank you for that.

>>44188544
ZUN went hard on animism/occultism/spiritualism in 2hu, it's inevitable that someone with those interests would get attracted to 2huism

>>44208611
Both the link above and the one about Onmyoudou are from the early 2000's. I'm trying to learn Japanese better, but don't have a clue as to what I should search for to get such specific results. Would anyone be able to point in the right direction relating to these topics for a more up to date account of things, closer to the modern day and not so far in the past?

>>44143770
I have an /x/-tier conspiracy theory that the entire series is just a contingency plan for the real Gensokyo. For a setting that relies so heavily on belief and superstition, what better source of alternate "faith" is there than a large, dedicated fanbase in the outside world? The wide variety of interpretations for each character forms a gestalt that further stabilizes their existence. It effectively gives non-flesh eating youkai two food sources, with the added bonus that one pretty much maintains itself.
Also if the barrier ever went down, the fans going "holy shit Gensokyo is real?" would prevent its spiritual residents from immediately dying from mass skepticism.

>>44208678
Grimsokyofags really believe that youkai would maintain that level of power if the barrier went out.

>>44129824
I would fight in the war and rape any girl i laid my hands on.

>>44212195
Glad I'm not the only one thinking this. Seriously though, if one were to try and get in contact with the ones running Gensokyo, or a representative of such, how the hell would they go about doing so? I'm a firm believer in it being real. I want to be like Zun and act as a proxy mediator and meet up with people from Gensokyo and drink tea and beer and and party with the residents. And I wanna be a Magician. Maybe go around collecting info about the residents so I can help spread the info to the Outside world as a support.



Yukari, give me a damn job already.

>>44212195
But Gensokyo exists specifically to be forgotten.

>>44208688
Who are you thanking?

>>44212642
The one that posted the link to the chat forum about the Yatsugatake mountains with the occult stories up above.
Got any stories or ideas about what could be haunting the mountain range over there?
>>44208611

>>44212222
Just 1 gapped nook is enough for tarded h*mans to sperg out and kill themselves

>>44212423
Yeah it's far from a robust theory. I just think it's funny to think of youkai + ZUN expanding their influence and using the doujin scene as a faith generator of sorts.

>>44217898
What is forgotten end up in Gensokyo. In Gensokyo, belief in the forgotten strengthens its existence. If what is forgotten is believed in both Gensokyo and the Outside World, a stacking effect comes into play. The danger lies in those Youkai who's existence is tied directly to their name, and the possible corruption of such by Outside forces of belief that would lead to said Youkai eventually changing in essence. If the belief in "WaggySaggy" for our favorite fish princess congress from our side, it's negligible. If it comes from the residents within cashing her that like Sumireko and her weird nicknames for everyone, then her very being could be put into jeopardy as the collective decides she's "saggy". Not for all of them, obviously, but this is also the reason why Yukari, Suika, Kasen, and others hide their true name from the group-names have power.
So yes, you wacking it to your favorite lady in degenerate doujins may not cause her to change into an irredeemable slut, but if she was ever to get wind of what is being put out about her, she would be more pissed than a normal human out here finding deepfakes of herself; the act could literally change people's perceptioms of her, and in kind, change her very being against her will.
If you love your waifu: fap only to monogamous loving depictions of her that stay close to her personality. Anything else is not only disrespectful, but dangerous. Do you really love her if you do otherwise?

>>44218194
Doujinshi != lewd. I'm talking about all types derivative works, not just h-doujins.
>the act could literally change people's perceptioms of her, and in kind, change her very being against her will.
If anything, lewdshit is just a drop in the ocean since people who see Touhou as fap material don't care about the actual characters enough to warrant "belief". Even if it's not mutually exclusive, most people are sane enough to distinguish their erotic headcanon from the real thing. I wouldn't worry so much about your favorite characters facing existential threats from horny artists and their followers.

>>44218194
>The danger lies in those Youkai who's existence is tied directly to their name, and the possible corruption of such by Outside forces of belief that would lead to said Youkai eventually changing in essence.
Honestly the best solution to this is the same one that would made Gensokyo completely redundant: Just find a way to reverse whatever ritual or formula or whatever that Magicians (Youkai) used to abandon their humanity. The fact that they manage to shift their existence to being based in the mental layer from the physical one means that doing the reverse should be in question, and if it was done, it would not only free up youkai and gods and all the rest from the risk of perceptual corruption, but completely and utterly eliminate the issue of trying to sustain belief for such a massive nonhuman population with just a single village.

It would also probably make them a lot weaker though, and bring a fairly conclusive end to the core issue of Gensokyo, so the beings most capable of pulling it off on a universal scale would likely never choose to, and ZUN would never write it.

>>44201010
And ZUN gets immediately v& by the Japanese government for questioning

>>44218194
>If you love your waifu: fap only to monogamous loving depictions of her that stay close to her personality. Anything else is not only disrespectful, but dangerous. Do you really love her if you do otherwise?
I promise.

>>44218692
I think its funny yet terrifying that some anon could get V& for theorizing about Gensokyo/some /x/ phenomena and guessing successfully.
>Something something psychics like bananas
>"Team 7, exfiltrate the subject. Bring them here"
>One in-24-hours-or-its-free v& later...
>"TALK! HOW DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE BANANA CONNECTION!"

>>44219458
Is that why every time I steer a discussion on here about Gensokyo in a certain direction it always either instantly dies or gets flooded with inane comments and THEN dies?

>>44219852
quit getting emotional, nigga

>>44219910
No emotions, just curiosity.
Your hat is dumb, Yukari.

>>44219852
Are you telling me shitposters and spammers are just government agents/bots trying to keep us from the truth?

>>44219949
From Gensokyo or its equivalent. And just anything of actual relevance that relates to the supernatural. Everything has boiled down to getting your dick wet from a Succubus, Ayys wanting to tickle your pickle, "Is me showing my stretched asshole a paranormal event?", or never nutting again or the Demiurge will sodomise you with interdimensional space lizards. We're in a thread on a board, that may have been better in /x/(it wouldn't), but where did the intrigue, mystery, and searching go that used to be present not just in this Mongolian Shrimp Farming website, but culture in general? Yeah, the glowies have something on it. Or Yukari is doing it since Suika never invites her to parties and she's looking to relieve boredom by fucking with random Anons.

>>44220212
You're asking dangerous questions, anon. I will say, however, that you're spot on.

>>44201068
I'll toss this in since its topical, my mother lives in California on the desert side of it and the mountains separating the two halves of the state is literally in the back yard. She lives around Hesperia and talks to me about how sometimes she'll just enjoy nature and sip wine in the backyard off her porch and often see floating orbs of light travel along the mountain, usually around the trails and snowmelt run offs.
Seen a number of things in the skies too but thats not really relevant to what we're talking about.

Not sure if its just cali but its a common enough to see such things and personally I do believe in hidden worlds and other such things like that, although a good bit of that might have to do with electrical discharges or magnetics, like the earthquake orbs that discharge right before an earthquake/after that have recently been properly measured and observed.

>>44221251
One of the main reasons Touhou drew me in is because of what it represents. Call me old fashioned, but I remember a time where the world was filled with magic and mystery around every corner. My family would tell tales of old myths and legends, and there were things that we did that, outside of folk belief, didn't make any sense to others. As a kid, me and some others used to go hunting for fairies, gnomes, you name it. Getting older, I watched as the magic seemed to slip away from the world. Gensokyo brought back that little spark, whether it's a real place or not (I know it is). If I'm asking dangerous questions, then I'm more than willing to do what's necessary if that means bringing back the magic I seemed to lose along the way. And this time, if for better or worse I can keep and protect it, I plan on doing just that. I just need a sign to point me in the right direction.

>>44221482
I think there are plenty of signs for tourists looking to hike around Yatsugatake.

Jokes aside, I personally would seriously be skeptical of Gensokyo's existence, and if it DOES exist I'd wager it's not necessarily likely Touhou is completely or even mostly accurate to events there. While a part of me certainly does think it'd be cool if it exists, rationally, I hope it doesn't simply for the fact that rather than the magic that was lost, Gensokyo seems more to represent the mentality that "things were better in the good old days," with everything that made the "good old days" awful turned up to 11.

That said, if anyone was to try to go to Gensokyo, it would probably be wise to arrange things such that the places where someone can slip through the boundary can be mapped in the real world, but even with that, the criteria for someone to "naturally" pass through are unclear.

>>44221693
I can see where you're coming from. And I've been to the mountains and have seen some....."interesting" things. To be completely honest with you, there's a certain mansion I'd like to visit on the other side; maybe have some tea, ask to at the very least admire the library, and attempt to stroke the ego of the ones inside while I talked to people I'm very fond of, despite the inherent danger. As for going to the 1:1 locations in the Outside World, I don't know of exact locations, but I'm more than willing to bet I was close by some of them.

I just wanna meet Remi, man...

>>44221898
Even though it might cause some misunderstandings, it'd probably be a good idea to be strapped like Van Helsing if you were to ever seriously try that. Maybe have a GPS locator on your person with someone watching to see when you wink out of existence too.

>>44222001
Screw it, I'mma do it. I went to the mountains this year, So I'll go back next year. That gives me a year to study, train, and figure out a way to not die when I gain the attention of who or whatever is guarding/watching/running the place. And in Japan it's not like I can carry weapons, so whatever I bring will have to be more spiritually inclined in nature. Who knows? Maybe the next time I go I won't get attacked by sleep paralysis(a Youkai) when staying overnight at a hundred plus year old inn again.

>>44222673
And what will you do if your opponent is a reality manipulator with extreme luck like Reimu or Remilia? Their abilities are some of the most powerful in all of 2hu. In your case you might not even end up fighting them without a crippling injury happening to you first in some absolutely unrelated manner, like a broken leg.

>>44222673
Probably a better bet would be to avoid attracting attention in the first place, but as mentioned, if you do, be sure to have someone tracking when you fall into the demiplane of Gensokyo.
>>44222733
Fortunately if canon is to believed that's extremely unlikely to occur. Reimu usually doesn't bother even doing her job unless it's a full-blown Incident, and Remilia, beyond primarily acting by proxy through Sakuya, isn't the type to fight directly in general.

Then again, as was mentioned, the reliability of "canon" in the case of Gensokyo actually existing is very much in question. So bringing a few dozen holy symbols (maybe you could get away with having a wulfkreuz in Japan?) would be a decent start.

>>44134158
Thats essentially how i see it too.

This entire thread is just Yukari checking to see how much we know.

>>44129824
Meanwhile, at the Hakurei Shrine...

>>44222838
If she comes for me as I'm lying in bed I'll pull her through the gap and she'll be my prisoner.

>>44222789
>Fortunately if canon is to believed that's extremely unlikely to occur. Reimu usually doesn't bother even doing her job unless it's a full-blown Incident, and Remilia, beyond primarily acting by proxy through Sakuya, isn't the type to fight directly in general.
I think you're misunderstanding their abilities a bit. They're "unconscious", so to speak. Implicit. Reimu can float through life without even trying, though if she loses focus and/or acts too aggressively she'll fall out of it. Remilia's ability is theorized to be similar. If you want something very obvious how about Hina's ability to immediately give you misfortune. In the case of you trying to break into Gensokyo, their fortune will be your misfortune. This video is is a fun example of what you'd be up against https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vjw87UFhtOU.. Everything would go wrong for you. You'd have a broken arm, an infected bite wound, and your supplies would be lost before you'd even meet anyone from Gensokyo.

>>44222883
That all assumes direct opposition, however, while it is otherwise a good argument. Of course, someone who happened to be unreasonably lucky also would have less to worry about there.

In the other anon's case, he'd still have plenty of concerns, namely the man-eating youkai that still exist, but context clues (and the story of Kasen helping one become a more modern youkai that subsists off of belief) mean that the odds of that are at least reduced, especially if he just slips through the barrier instead of being gapped their by intent.

To this same effect, we also see Sumireko manages to handle herself decently well, and aside from her (fairly limited) ESP abilities, she doesn't have too much special to her, and her actions were an active attempt to destabilize Gensokyo by making a stable route in and out. Remilia's ability might be similar to Reimu's unconscious luck, but I'd assume it's likelier that she just can't use it too much under Spell Card Rules, or as Flandre implies in FDS, it may not even be an ability to manipulate fate at all. Someone traveling to Gensokyo with benign intentions should, therefore, expect much less resistance from those more passive abilities, and sufficient preparedness and cunning would reasonably be able to patch up whatever issues do arise provided you aren't on an absolute suicide mission like trying to fight one of the Sages in direct combat.

>>44222913
All this aside, I think moderate-high speed distance running is probably the most important skill you could have as a normal person. If you can run 5 km in 15 minutes then you could probably just get to the human village in a matter of hours.

>>44222970
Cross country running as practice would definitely be advisable, but the time to reach the human village (if we assume such a thing is a guarantee of safety at all) would vary heavily by where someone "falls in." Muenzuka seems like the most reliable location given that it's known for the barrier being thinner there, but WHY that is, and whether or not locations inside the barrier consistently match up to locations outside of it is unknown, so the best way to get your foot in the door, so to speak, cannot be determined with canon resources alone.

>>44129824
There would be a Tower of Power in gensokyo too. TOP is how you GO INTO "gensokyo"

https://towerofpower.org/
https://towerofpower.org/
https://towerofpower.org/

>>44222733
Opponent? No, I'm trying to get a job in the mansion. No fighting here.

>>Everything going wrong...

That would explain the absolute shit luck I had getting to the destination on the first trip, but I powered through.

>>Preparedness and not fighting the Sages...

I'm not planning on fighting anyone if I can help it. If I can't help it, I'm gonna make sure I at least taste bad for them. I'm in it for the job, and possibly being a Magician (that doesn't end up "pop goes the weasel" like our poor fortune teller)

>>Running skills and the village...

True, knowledge of lore, strengths and weaknesses of what's inside coupled with a fit body and mind would be the best way to go about it. For the Human Village, if I end up there I become ineligible to turn into a Youkai or otherwise in the future unless I pull a Marisa.

So long as I can meet the right people and play my cards right (and assuming I can convince the one I meet that I could provide benefit to them or Gensokyo as a whole without being on the menu) I could stand a chance, if only slightly in my favor. Maybe I'll smuggle in some strong booze and luxury tea, or some old books to grease a few wheels...
Yukari, any suggestions?

>>44226100
I don't think reaching the human village by itself would make you count as a villager and thus subject to the whole Jinyou rules, though it does seem to be a "safe zone," so to speak, from the typical fare of Gensokyo. The biggest thing to keep in mind is that knowledge of canon, even if accurate, is unlikely to cover the numerous lesser youkai, man-eating or not, and thus general knowledge of mythology, theology, and eastern animism will be more helpful for you there.

Your sacrifice will be a great help in documenting evidence of Gensokyo.

>>44227591
Anything in particular you would suggest or have ideas on as far as what to study up on? I've pretty much had a hobby of reading about various things like this for close to twenty years or more, and growing up was steeped in...."unique" stories and practices from the family. Apparently there were "witches" in the families distant past, but if the magic ran deep in the family tree, then whatever roots were left dried up a long time ago.

>>44227757
For starters, reading through the Kojiki and Nihon Shoki would probably be considered the "bare minimum" for preparedness in terms of mythological knowledge. Awareness of other mythologies and faiths from the orient would also be useful, but to an ever-so-slightly lesser extent due to their reduced presence. Familiarizing yourself with Hindu and Buddhism on the front of their afterlives would also be very useful, as even if you happen to kick the bucket, unless it's one of those rare situations where your soul is removed from the cycle of transmigration entirely, you're going to be stuck there on a metaphysical level. Western Occult practices should be usable in theory, especially given the SDM, but how that would translate is up in the air.

I know there are studies of myth structure common across cultures, and religious syncretism is worth investigating as canon sources would indicate that it has a real effect on the "Mental Layer" explained in CoLA. The possible connection between the Tabula Smaragdina of Hermeticism, and the Jade Books of Heaven of Daoist myth are of particular interest to me personally. To that same end, the Mental Layer appears to share no small degree of similarity to Carl Jung's theory of the Collective Unconscious, which is also something worth looking into.

>>44227950
I'm somewhat familiar with the first two, though not to the level of a native, of course. As for the Tabula Smaragdina.... that's the Emerald Tablet of Thoth, right? It's been years since I've read it all, along with the Goetia, Chemical Wedding, some subjects relating to Hohenheim, Dee, and the lot. Haven't picked up the Witches Hammer, but know the gist. Then there's the collection of Medieval Grimoires I've skimmed through, and of course the Voynich Manuscript (though obviously no clue on that one). Then I've picked up some classical Chinese tales like the Journey to the West, Three Kingdoms, Art of War, and working on the Tao te Ching.

I didn't mean for this to be a library dump, but depending on the relevance to what we're discussing......maybe? I know Patchouli used the Western style with summoning familiars (probably through the Goetia) and Elementals, then swapped over to the Wu Xing method because it gave better results, I guess? Haven't read through CoLA like I should so I'm abit unfamiliar with the mental layer idea as mentioned, but I do know Youkai are much more susceptible to mental and spiritual attacks, as opposed to humans.

>>44228137
>Voynich Manuscript
I wonder... if ZUN was exposed to that, I wonder how/if it would show up in touhou?

>>44228137
>Haven't read through CoLA like I should so I'm abit unfamiliar with the mental layer idea as mentioned, but I do know Youkai are much more susceptible to mental and spiritual attacks, as opposed to humans.
Seeing as it's a crucial factor in understanding how Gensokyo operates, you'd do well to. The gist of it, however, is that there are three layers of reality in Gensokyo: Physical, Mental, and Memory. The Memory Layer ensures nothing ever repeats 1-to-1, but this obviously doesn't do much by itself since events can still repeat in extremely similar manners without violating that rule.

The Physical and Mental are more important most of the time. You can think of the way humans and non-humans (Youkai, Gods, Spirits, etc.) Use the Layers as sort of like Levers. Humans have to maintain their physical bodies, but in great numbers can easily affect the Mental Layer with their beliefs. Obviously cases like magic and alchemy are ways to more directly do so, but their mechanisms and functions aren't made as clear, and the existence of the Mental Layer may also mean that the "rules" of magic can vary, though most systems documented in well-established forms of occultism should take, at least in theory.

By contrast, non-humans mostly reside in the Mental Layer, and can much more easily affect the Physical Layer, but things that would change the general perception of them and their stories seem to influence them greatly. Kanako's attempt to rebrand to a god of technological advancement would seem to be a key indicator of this, though again, only the broad strokes are really established.

Finally, Magician Youkai are a particularly interesting case, as former humans that then became youkai, meaning they somehow managed to change what Layer they were anchored to. Whether or not the inverse could be done, I think is a matter of great import in lore alone.

>>44221482
yeah, touhou had that draw for me too. a lot of touhou's setting was based on lafcadio hearn's books, can recommend them.

>>44228137
>Tao te Ching
take your time with that. dont rush it.

>>44228607
The "Kwaidan", right?
There was a collection of his stories at a book store last year I wanted to get by couldn't, came back and it was gone. Regret that.

And the Tao.....yeah, that's a thinker. Interested in the Bigù concept and killing the Three Worms; that's kinda why I picked it up, relating to Magicians and the "abandon worms" concept, among a general interest in Eastern Mysticism. I guess this would be post-mysticism for us here, though. (Bad joke, I know)

>>44228607
>>44228740
Do you distinguish between magicians and psychics/inherent powers?

>>44228758
I'm of the personal belief that magic is inherent in everyone but takes more effort for some to manifest than others. Depending on how you look at it, psychic ability is technically classified as a form of innate magic, as opposed to learning manipulation of the elements in the form of external magic, like the concept of duality as demonstrated in ancient schools of thought-as above, so below/ as within, so without/etc. Why do you ask? General question or theories to go off of?

>>44228820
Just curious.

You seem unsettled...

>>44234359
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Any reason why you would get that impression or come to that conclusion in relation to the thread, Darth Vader?

>>44129824
>Why should Gensokyo exist?
Becaue cute girls with frilly dresses
What would happen if a war were to occur?
>Mythological beings win every time. They're literal superhumans. Humanity could have won if it were ancient times and had access to magic/divine power and could rely on legendary heroes. If you dont believe me, think of it like this. Yukari invaded the moon with an army of youkai. The moon itself is a civilization much more advanced than ours and was created (at least in part) by a literal god of wisdom and intelligence (Eirin). The fact that the youkai could even conceive of waging war against them speaks of how powerful they themselves were.
What if there is NO war?
>Now this is interesting. A good way to understand how this would play out is imagining The Zone from Stalker. A strange place full of strange creatures. A place that defies the laws of physics. With people who try to dive right in, either due to curiosity (maybe scientific) or for profit. The japanese government and maybe even the US army would try to cordon Gensokyo. Why would they? Imagine if randos could get their hands on magical artifacts that they can abuse. Imagine people finding out that you can become an immortal if you study Taoism. Or people ascending and becoming youkai and terorising their fellow man or just outright dying. All this might happen if Yukari lets it happen. Given her powers and access to shikigami/youkai she could infiltrate governments and control them from the inside. She could have politicians possessed or killed or blackmailed. Theres no way for them to counter her since they have no powers and compared to her they're literally retarded. She's too smart.
>Would people want to enter the place to conquer the girls?
Because they're sexy, duh. Who wouldnt? They're all hot and cute. And some of them are unnaturally beautiful. Like Ran or especially Kaguya. Kaguya would be the most sought after girl considering her backstory.
>Gensokyo would be like in the manga and games?
I guess? But maybe filter out some of the weird plot holes or retcons ZUN made as this is the real world and not a story made by a fallible man who can make mistakes or change his mind
>Would there be tourism to enter Gensokyo for millions of dollars?
If Yukari let this happen, there would be. She (or Ran/the Sages, given that Yukari has fucking narcolepsy) could expand Gensokyo's space to accommodate the influx of normies. But why would they even want tourists for millions of dollars? They can just magic whatever money they want into their hands or use illusion magic to make funny money and then spend it as they please. If they were to let in humans it would probably be to expand the population of humans so they can derive more power from the fear they can cultivate from humans and to eat them. They could exercise tight control over them. Miko could be the True Administrator or something. No outside world technology allowed. Put the phone down and touch some grass
>What if the Hakurei barrier is broken?
I like to think Yukari/Sages and Ran have a million backup plans for this, i mean why wouldnt they? The existence of their race depends on the barrier even though some youkai are strong enough to live in the outside world. If it were buck broken they could repair it in short order. Even if they couldnt they could get Kaguya to suspend time so they can repair it or something
>What would Lunarians do?
What they always have and will do. Seethe, cope, dilate and fume and fret about the impurity of the earth. Being so anal retentive about muh impurity while doing nothing.

>>44236151
>Mythological beings win every time. They're literal superhumans. Humanity could have won if it were ancient times and had access to magic/divine power and could rely on legendary heroes. If you dont believe me, think of it like this. Yukari invaded the moon with an army of youkai. The moon itself is a civilization much more advanced than ours and was created (at least in part) by a literal god of wisdom and intelligence (Eirin). The fact that the youkai could even conceive of waging war against them speaks of how powerful they themselves were.
Yukari, everyone knows the Lunarians were BTFO'd by the Apollo missions, and you managed to lose to them twice. Nobody seriously believes you're a master schemer anymore, go make your own identity instead of cosplaying as Great Value Okina.

>>44236336
>Lunarians were BTFO'd by the Apollo missions
>planting a flag and running away after getting beat up is a "victory"

>>44237968
>Lunarians cope so hard that they call two unarmed humans in a moon lander an attempt at a base
You cannot tell me Yukari losing to these clowns makes her anything less than the world's biggest jobber.

Could jouhatsu theoretically have an easier time reaching Gensokyo in comparison to the average person?

>>44242382
There's technically an unspoken understanding that a large majority of them end up in Gensokyo as food for the more primal Youkai that Yukari provides for.

>>44242843
And since I thought of this after posting above, I'm adding to it.

There's also a theory that whatever the Yakuza dump gets taken as material.
Sort of a supernatural cleanup crew. Whether they know of each other or there's some kind of agreement/transaction is unknown.

Tbh, Gensokyo being real and the 2hus going into the outside world to mess around would be fun. Given the variety of characters you can have stories that are either dumb fun or serious. Like Hijiri could effect every buddhist on earth since she's literally a millennia old practitioner of the faith. She'd have insights into the religion that were lost to time and she has cool magic. And no human would ever know about her past, so they'd probably deify her to an extent. On the other hand, Suika could stumble her way to Germany and drink up all the beer. Or Joon could just take a shitload of loans and not pay the banks back. Going from country to country scamming banks. She's a goddess, no one can do jack shit. Especially if Shion is helping her. It'll play out something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x-WaCmoyhI&

>>44242382
No. The amount of humans kidnapped into Gensokyo is so minuscule that you'd have a higher probability winning the lottery. Japan has tens, if not hundreds of thousands of NEETs and Yukari kidnaps a few hundred/thousand a year.

>>44248983
That wasn't the question he asked, Anon. Besides, given that Yukari's criteria for spiriting away is implied to be people who won't be remembered, Jouhatsu might have better odds through that method, although for that very reason it's a terrible idea to try to go that route.

>>44249315
It does answer the question though. Becoming a forgotten NEET might increase your chances of getting kidnapped from .00001% to .000015%, which sure, its higher, but its effectively worthless.

>>44242382
I wish