/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>44105728
I find Touhou yuri very cute, but I hate gay people IRL

>>44105728
The official mangas are so fucking lame and I'm tired of pretending they're not. The fans kick ZUN's writing's ass all the time.

>>44105728
There's some really strange charm that exist specifically to older fan content that I think it's almost impossible to really replicate. I know that there are a lot of new things being made but I just don't feel anything towards them.

>>44105830
I feel the same way

>>44105733
What about /jp/ anons that do this to each other?

https://files.catbox.moe/z1ft82.mp4

>>44105728
People mainly interested in lewd fan content either haven't touched the official works or have no interest in exploring Touhou beyond surface level. Not saying lewd content itself is bad, but mindless hornyposting gets old fast. I don't understand how someone wouldn't get tired of seeing that kind of spam all the time.

>>44105750
You probably read Zounose.
>>44105728
You mean factually wrong takes on the canon, baseless fanon, gross misunderstandings and wilful ignorance? Yeah, sorry, I don't do those.

>>44105728
I like short Eiki and I'm tired of pretending I don't.

>>44105728
the windows trilogy is so fucking overrated man, 6 sucks ass, 7 is alright but boring and too long, 8 is just mediocre

I couldn't care less about the quarrels happening on the moon. Rather having more lore on Hell and Makai explored would be good.

also, ichirin's heart belongs to unzan, not futo or byakuren.

>>44106115
Nigger it can be as simple as “I don’t like CoLA”. Nobody said anything about misinterpreting canon, which you seem extremely anal about for a series whose open-ended style encourages derivative works.

>>44106395
And you, my nigger, misread my post. The only kind of opinion that would get you lambasted on /jp/ is insisting on your unsubstantiated theory being the canon, outright getting things wrong or misreading the narrative. Nobody minds fanworks being inaccurate, porn being out of character or fanart being off-model. It's fan stuff. It gets the pass, per ZUN's intention.

>>44106426
I jumped the gun then, my bad. I've run into people who outright hate all fan content and insist canon is the only worthwhile thing.

>>44105728
The SDM cast needs to be used more, not less. Yeah, I know /jp/ won't like to hear that.

The side games are better then the main games.

>>44105728
The games arent worth the 15$

>>44105728
Fanworks have the capacity to btfo anything zun makes

>>44107007
Uh oh the nip fanboys are gonna be PISSED

>>44107060
I pirate them all.

>>44105728
Nothing that ZUN has ever stated says that the PC98 games and Inaba of the Moon and Inaba of the Earth aren't canon in any way

Every game after 11 is bad except for maybe 15

ZUN should unironically sell out and let an anime studio (of his choosing) make a Touhou anime.

ZUN's songwriting is incredibly repetitive, yes the melodies are great and some chord progressions and modulations clever but he really insist on using a lot of those ideas over and over and over and over and over again, it gets kinda tiring

>>44107060
I'd price the entirety of touhou games (including .5's and PC-98) for $250 or about ¥35,450 since this is /jp/

something something kkhta

ZUN should license out a manga that's just slice of life shit with no specific main cast, just to add a little flavour to old characters who haven't been mentioned in a while, and give some sorely needed characterisation to new ones.

I'd read it.

>>44105860
It's disgusting, but I will probably be doing the same shit in a few years at this rate. I can feel my faggotry grow as I become more isolated

>>44107306
Did you find the kissing sounds hot? Did you get a stiffy at all? Did you have any other reaction other than disgust? Please be more detailed here.

>>44107316
Like, 80% disgust and 20% GIWTWM, maybe less.

>>44105860
Please tell me at least one of those two is a girl

>>44106992
Shoot the Bullet and Double Spoiler are better than all of the mainline. There.

>>44107412
lol

>>44105860
I was more interested in the Marisa mug, its a nice cup

>>44107244
KKHTA is irredeemable trash that actively spites the source material and deserves no respect or recognition.

Good thing it will never, ever be finished.

Fumos aren't funny

>>44108547
they can be cute in the right situation but the social media monster they've become is pure cancer

>Fumos aren't funn-

https://youtu.be/YT-TsKrM0Jk

>>44105830
A man of culture. I like hyperdetailed frilly Marisa too, but pre-2010 oekaki is great too. Check this site out, someone posted it here ages back, it's a repository of some of the oldest known Touhou fanart (all immediately post-EoSD, so early 2000's)

https://coolier.net/oekaki/191.htm

>>44108581
Do I even need to say anything?

Fumos are overpriced trash.
Gensokyo is a shitty place and you absolutely don't want to go there.
Killing vicious youkai is the right thing to do.

>>44106115
Bro.... even Zounose is JK Tolkien compared to ZUN. ZOUNOSE!!

Discussing Touhou in /jp/ is actually pretty nice and if you act correctly you can get a good level of discussion, surely better than anywhere else in English internet and not too far behind the best Japanese webplaces.

>>44108716
JRR Tolkien.
JK rowling is a shit author all things considered, but that's besides the point.

EoSD is kind of just boring.
It feels kind of like MS from a gameplay perspective with not as much of a focus on density as in PCB or especially IN (to IN's fault, I would argue, but that's another subject and more preferences anyway) and more erratic patterns, but without any of the mystique that comes with the finale of an era and fighting the God of a world. It has less playable characters, the ressource system isn't as interesting (Score for lives is not a bad system, quite the contrary, however its way too free and a non issue in EoSD)
On the other hand, HSiFS is pretty underrated in nearly all of its aspects, find the game to be really fun although it can be undeniably cheesy, scores for lives again is quite compelling and in HSiFS the cap is really high and doesn't crumble for higher difficulties. The OST is pretty well executed, never missing the mark on fitting characterisation for who you're about to fight within the stage OST, although admitedly if there is a weak point to note it's in the early boss themes up until the dancers and excluding Larva, these 3 tracks are a little simple

>>44108722
That's what keeps me coming back. Despite all the garbage you can still find quality threads with better discussion than faster boards with dedicated generals.

>>44108716
ZUN doesn't flagrantly ignore what he himself wrote into the story moments earlier just so he can shoehorn a "shocking" gore shot in.

>>44108601
Thanks for the site. I might also want to ask this. Is the guy who made the Youmu art with XVI on top on the sixth page, the same one who made the "My name is Hong Meiling"animation?

>>44105860
this gave me the hardest boner
i wish i was the one on the bottom so bad

If the cast of each game would be switched around a bit, whoever gets to star in TH06 would dominate popularity polls. For instance, if UM and EoSD casts were swapped, Chimata would be a juggernaut in terms of fans much like Remilia today and Tsukasa would have been a playable character in subsequent games. Meanwhile Remilia and Sakuya, if they were newhus, they would have a rather small but dedicated fanbase with barely any content made for them. This also applies to games 07 to 10.

Also, Touhou lost a bit of charm when ZUN got better at drawing.

I don't care for Marisa

>>44108922
I unironically jacked off to it like 4 times in 3 days. The way they kiss and the clothing is just too sexy

I don't think this is that unpopular anymore, but if there's a Touhou character I hate, it would be Koakuma and Daiyousei. Actual characters should get more spotlight.
Yuuma is peak 2hu, and should be way more recognized than she is.
WBaWC has the most interesting setting in Touhou.
I'm not vehemently opposed of a big budget Touhou anime, with the caveat that it shouldn't adapt the main games at all. It simply can't work.

>>44108977
>>44108922
>>44105860
*le sigh*

>>44108963
Don't think so, a western mansion in the japanese folklore preservation park is simply too good of an idea to be glossed over. And then there's the 500 years old loli vampire sisters bit, time stopping Jojo reference, and an actual elemental magician.
Yet another tengu, yet another goddess and yet another lying youkai just don't have that oomph, in my opinion. They'd be treated like middle of the road 2hus, but even with being the "firsts" of a type bonus they'd just take over the spots of Aya, Akis and maybe Medicine in popularity. In fact touhou might just not have become popular in the first place without the SDM.
>Touhou lost a bit of charm when ZUN got better at drawing.
Completely agree with you there. I think the older themes are also much better than the new ones, even if they're following 'better' design philosophy.

>>44105860
Moar please?

>>44108963
He should at least ditch digital for traditional and dig up his scanner again.

>>44109382
Id say the year of release and the art plays an important part in the impact the cast had when revealed. I simply dont see SDM having that huge of an impact if they debuted in 2021 with ZUN's current artstyle. At most I can see them being as popular as the SA cast and Remilia and Flandre being the sleeper hits like Satori and Koishi are. And while I do think ZUN made a winning move by going for a western element while jumping to windows, the series would have been popular with any cast in TH06, perhaps it would have been contained within Japan for longer, but I doubt it would have been remained in obscurity granted ZUN kept working in these games. It was just a matter of time until one line of characters captivated the public in the early 2000s.

>>44108547
How low have we fallen that the two biggest things right now are a gacha game and fucking fumo style plushies.
Take me back...

>>44109382
Completely disagree, although you do have a point that all the references would help them stick the landing a little better had EoSD been Touhou 18, since 6 is about as devoid of depth and media referencial as it gets within Windows Touhou. I think that opinion mostly stems from the lower standards of the western community and the general lack of culture there, which shouldn't be assumed to be the case in Japan, although the gap in knowledge shouldn't be glorified either.
Touhou's place in time and approach to copyright are 100% what allowed it to stick the landing, it would have done it regardless of which of the 18 entries became the EoSD. Imagining it is admitedly a difficult creative exercise since Touhou itself shaped our idea of it all, but i'm convinced anything would have stuck the landing, given the reaches fans went through with the old characters to fit into molds, jokes, and so on.

>>44109514
I meant Funko but you got the point

>>44109514
Gotta feel bad for the old fumo anons who were just in it for cute dolls. No one could’ve predicted that this shit would blow up and become a cookie tier offshoot.

>>44105728
I think SSiB is good, and has a bad rep just because of how trash the artist was making danmaku battles.

>>44109780
I don't think the danmaku was even all that bad, it's just not trying to be the patterns from the game represented in print and went about it differently.

>>44105728
Touhou needs a reboot.

>>44110023
how would that work?

>>44110033
Make it a Saturday Morning Cartoon.

>>44110023
ZUN will go bankrupt sometime in 2025 and sells the IP of Touhou Project and all his stocks in Team Shanghai Alice to the Saudi king. Once Touhou is in the hands of the Saudi government, massive changes will be made to the series. For instance, all references to Buddhism. Taoism and Shintoism will be replaces with Islam. Gensokyo will be removed from its current location to the holy city of Mecca and all the girls will wear hijabs and burqas instead of their original outfits. Alcoholic beverages like beer and sake are removed and Myouren Hijiri becomes Gensokyo's version of Muhammad. The Hijiri school of Sufi Islam believes that Byakuren is the true succesor to Myouren whereas Toyosatomimi no Miko believes that there is no succesor to Myouren and instead that people should follow the laws directly as ordered by the Quran instead.

>>44105830
Dunno if it's nostalgia but they feel dream like.

>>44108601
Thanks anon! There are a lot of nice things there.

>>44108851
Yes, you can find the pic in the artist's page( the くく２ link)
https://yuki.kitune.info/yume/thpic.shtml

The numbers seem to be tarot related or something but there's only that and a mystia pic for that set afaik.
Yet the artist made 2 different tarot sets with 2hus tho.

You can also find some other flashes in the page, as well as erm some lewds, guro and body horror if you dig enough which I wasn't aware until I checked the page today, didn't expect to get that with that artstyle, but got a laugh at it.

>>44105728
The versus games are the best in the series.
The fighters are really fun.
One day zun will stop making games.

>>44110033
Pixar style 3dcgi movie with at least 2 or 3 mandatory dance scenes. It will be marketed to children and all the soul will be mercilessly scrubbed out

>>44105750
The quality varies widely. CDS is terrible.

>>44105728
The music past IN is mostly garbage.

>>44108963
Absolutely no way that Chimata and company would ever reach Scarlet Devil levels.
A big reason why Remilia and her group are so popular is because they're a sizable group who all seemingly get along and make for easy interactions for fans to capitalize on.
Meanwhile, UM is a Tengu, her manipulative bitch servant, and a goddess she has an antagonistic relationship with. The first four bosses are all unconnected and don't have any relation to each other, and the extra stage boss is pretty much just a hired hand.
There's just no foundation for fans to build anything on like there was for the Scarlet Devil crew.
Now if you said UFO or SA, you may have had a point, because those games actually have strong casts of their own that are also notably popular.

>>44105728
The endings of the game start to really suck somewhere around 11
The early ones are simple but give some real catharsis sometimes

>>44109514
It was bound to happen. Even way back in the early days not that many people were in it for the games.

>>44105860
These are the kinds of people Yukari should gap in as Youkai food.

>>44105728
I prefer the less-accurate sound of anex86 over better emulators, and definitely over Akyu's Untouched Score

>>44110161
I know this is shitposting, but I'm afraid that ZUN will sell touhou's IP to someone who makes changes like this

>>44105728
Touhou HAS to end in TH20, if it doesn't, it will go into a creative and quality decline

>>44116661
Solution: Ignore the fucker if that happens.
Nothing will stop me from just refusing to accept a new butchered canon from some troon or muzzie who wants to shove ideology down my throat.
If that does happen, I'd just ignore anything not made by ZUN and tell anyone who wanted me to do otherwise to fuck off.

>>44116687
I understand you Anon, but the truth would hurt me a lot if Touhou became propaganda of any kind, if Touhou sold out and became propaganda I will exterminate the human race

>>44111850
Oh god, I can already imagine how ugly those bastards are gonna make the designs. The only company that should be allowed to make a Touhou movie is Studio Ghibli. And maybe Dreamworks.

>>44116739
>I can already imagine how ugly those bastards are gonna make the designs.
Is that what worries you? I am worried that a company like D*sney would put progressive propaganda everywhere, they would make Reimu black and a lesbian relationship between Kaguya and Eirin
>And maybe Dreamworks.
Imagine Chen meeting Puss in Boots

>>44110161
This is unironically probably the best outcome if Touhou is going to 'officially' outlive ZUN. At least it isn't corporate slop like >>44111850, and there would be the slight chance an autistic muslim could make an inspired, albiet propagandized, pallet swap of the eastern theme.
Though hopefully he has the foresight to give the series a well made send off before he gets tired of it all, insallah.

>>44116771
I feel like they're gonna make her look Indian/Arabic with the skin color. There's gonna be lesbian shit everywhere though, and if someone dares to question it all the twitter fags will scream "BUT IT'S LE CANON!!!"

>>44116771
The fun part of touhou is how awful everyone is.
No one here would say Reimu is necessarily a good person, and any kind of corporate pandering would have to paint someone as the hero unambiguously, since any kind of failling of their chosen shill could be seen as waycism.
Hence, troon politics and touhou are fundamentally opposed, although that hasn't stopped them before.

>>44116803
No seriously man, if they turn Touhou into progressive propaganda, humanity can go fuck itself

Kanako is indirectly responsible for the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

SWR is the comfiest game with the comfiest cast. Peak of Touhou for me.

Everyone in Gensokyo is a Sociopath/Psychopath

>>44116821
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>>44116783
That's not how Japan works, you goofs. Unlike the w*st, when the author of a popular franchise dies they either leave it alone or treat it with respect.

>>44118047
>when the author of a popular franchise dies they either leave it alone or treat it with respect
Oh my gosh, THANK YOU! GOD BLESS JAPAN

not exactly about touhou, but i like both soijak posting and touhou posting, and to be honest i think they're both as autistic as the other, atleast shitposting-wise

>>44118047
Do you really expect nips to leave a potential cashcow like Touhou alone after ZUN passes? Just look at Konami going strong with Yugioh after Takahashi's death, or Berserk's continuation after Miura which isn't even about the money.
It being a doujin game series with relatively loose guidelines for derivative content makes it even more vulnerable. If ZUN doesn't plan for who inherits Team Shanghai Alice, tons of groups will scramble to own and corporatize the series.

>>44118584
Nigga, Yugioh and Berserk are massively profitable franchises, while Touhou's 2 out of 3 "mainstream" mobile games went bankrupt in less than a year each and it's only semi-official anime outing wasn't even released to the public. When ZUN! kicks the bucket, no big company is going to touch Touhou with a 10 foot pole, it will live on via fan games as it does now.

>>44118659
Anon, I sincerely respect your opinion, but I think you are underestimating the potential of a franchise like Touhou, I think that if it were managed well, it could become much bigger than it is now.

>>44118659
Maybe it's a bit pessimistic on my part, but I'd rather anticipate the worst than have hope for an ideal outcome.

>>44105728
Flandre is the best touhou

>>44106143
Eiki is cute in all forms

>>44109486
i agree

>>44105860
fuck this is hot

>>44106076
Seconding this. The braindead zoomers spamming "I want to have sex with x Touhou character" in every thread is boring, unoriginal, and legitimately just sad. I know that /jp/ has mainly devolved into a coomer board with tons of 3DPD shit, and people see the cooming and just start making more coomer posts including Touhou, but god damn if it isn't tiresome.

>>44105860
Anons.... I got a boner..... I think I'm gay now...

>>44120084
It's called porn addiction and it fucks up your brain, anon.

>>44118906
Imagine if ZUN decided to release his control of the series he does so by making it public domain instead of turning it over to any one entity.

>>44105728
More of a confession than an unpopular opinion: I've never beaten a Touhou game, I suck at bullet hell games. I mainly like Touhou for the lore.

>>44105733
OP said unpopular

>>44106143
Eikirald

>>44107034
Yeah quite obvious. Imagine if crimzon clover was a 'hu fangame. The original would look like a cheap ripoff.

>>44107423
GFW too

>>44116821
If they do, I will personally add to Yukari's food production supply starting with the ones responsible. They will not corrupt the home and legacy of that world.

>>44120394
I agree
Just imagine, what would Touhou be like if it were run by the makers of Touhou Lostword?

>>44120211
That's fine, at least you've tried them. It'd only be an issue if you called yourself a fan without touching any of the official stuff.

>>44120428
I will admit, I enjoy the game to the extent that it allows me to experience the characters I care about on a different level, but Gods help the bastards that disgrace such a place/concept/my wife.

Out of all the games i like LoLK the most.

>>44120670
It will sound strange, but the only Touhou game that is easy for me is LoLK, in the rest they kick my ass

If you look at how often she's referenced or even appears in official works then it's clear that Lily White is one of the creations of the early Windows era that ZUN is the most fond of

>>44120716
That's not an unpopular opinion, who dislikes Lily White?

>>44120739
I think while not generally disliked she's relegated mostly to the realm of mostly forgotten minor characters, but she makes an appearance surprisingly often, even if just for a cameo, she seems to be a bigger deal than Daiyousei, Koakuma or even Wriggle and Letty

>>44108670
No but you need to bounce your fumos

Not an opinion per se but I don't understand how 2hu got popular in the first place. All of the early windows games have great music and recognisable character designs but does that matter when the characters and story is pretty barebones? When people add all of these traits onto characters, don't they get a nagging feeling that it's all made up and not from the real canon. Like take Dai fans or Momiji fans, how do they like a character that's literally nothing, with everything about them being fan's creation? That's not canon.

>>44109118
>hating the nameless characters
>only listing two of the three nameless characters
Sorry you have such shit taste, anon

>>44109475

Can't say how unpopular it is, but I'm of the opinion that the print works ought to have more minor characters around and show how the major characters' shenanigans impact their lives.

This guy in WaHH, for example, had an extremely minor role in "his" chapter, barely spoke, but his sheer presence was a display of how regular Gensokyan people may react to, say, a rogue kami. The fact that he stuck around for the aftermath was also fun. It was nice to see that there're people like this in the Human Village.

Guess it might be an unpopular opinion in the sense that it goes against the "there are no males in Gensokyo" grain.

>>44121446
People are more shallow than you think. They rather have something that they can make out by themselves so it'd fit their wish-fulfillment than hard-established characterization, unless it hits all their checkboxes. Though before that, people are typically drawn by design, concepts and relationships.
Touhou first received attention because of the design and concept novelty, then people stayed exactly because the barebones characterization let them imagine the characters whatever they wish (which leads to heavy fanon depictions). However, this wouldn't work without interesting design/concept and implied relationships beforehand, which leads to certain dynamic appeal.

>>44121923
Yeah, thing is that no one cares about Tokik, she doesn't take over fanwork. No, I'm not going to hate over Giant Catfish, either.

>>44122567
This + the fact that ZUN as a creator was coming from and embraced the doujin fan-circle scene in Japan and wasn't antagonistic towards the spreading of various fan-made content based on his games

>>44109583
Oldfags still bounce their shit, no worries

>>44116707
>I will exterminate the human race

>>44105750
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>>44118967
OP said you're supposed to post unpopular touhou opinions
>but these ARE unpopular
go back to the touhou reddit

>>44122978
Take your cancer some place else.

>>44122003
It's not that there are no males, there's plenty of male humans. It's that there's no male youkai. For whatever reason, youkai are nearly always female unless they're halfies; I mean come on, even the prince turned into a chick when he reincarnated in Gensokyo.
>>44120211
I'm with you here. I've beaten 6, 7, and 8, but on easy mode. It's not necessarily that I'm bad at bullet hells, it's that they make me nauseous. I can maybe get through 1/3rd of the game before getting sick because of how the backgrounds move behind the bullets. It's such a fucking pain having to pause and come back a few hours later to continue, making myself sick for an hour or more each time just to beat the stupid game on babby mode. If there was some kind of modded version I could get with no moving background I'd have way more fun playing and actually be able to beat it on at least normal mode.

>>44121446
It's literally unknown to anyone, even ZUN himself, as to how Touhou got this big in the first place, and is one of its greatest mysteries. Now, one could answer "NND" and be partially correct, it is what propelled Touhou to greater heights. However, Reitaisai existed before NND even existed, and there needed to be dedicated fans to make those NND videos in the first place. There's something that gripped people that played it to an extreme degree that circles and an entire convention were made for this little doujin game shortly after it's release on Windows, and nobody can really be sure why.
It's easy to say it's because of ZUN's lax copyright and loose writing style, but that can't be be all there is... simply because a great number of original doujin work is like that as well, even before Touhou. This factor isn't even just with Doujins, but is seen on small amateur work in general. You can make your work as open-source and as vague as you want, but very unlikely that it gets a thirtieth of the attention Touhou gets.
Is it just because Touhou does its vagueness better than everyone else did or still does? That's possible, but I think it unlikely to be that aspect.
Touhou does not have advertising. Touhou does not have corporate backing. Touhou did not have digital media distribution for a very long time. Touhou was made almost exclusively by one guy. Touhou has limited reach. Touhou has amateur art. ZUN likes wordplay so much that it should alienate non-Japanese.
Touhou had a lot of things going against it, but it thrived to an extreme degree that it dwarfed everything on Comiket for a decade, and nothing else has still reached its heights on the convention.

It really is a mystery as to how Touhou got to the way it is now. It does almost everything that's expected for something to get popular, and it gets popular.
There is however, one thing I neglected to mention. If you played Touhou 6 first, do you remember the first time you booted the game? Seeing Reimu sitting, and... the music playing. I still vividly remember that moment, and how oddly special it felt, and I've played hundreds upon hundreds of games before Touhou. I could never really accurately describe how it felt, but it was immediately clear to me I've never played a game like this before.
For me and for the end of this long-winded /jp/sie wall of text, the music is the deciding factor of Touhou. The music brought the character to the vague people and the vague setting. You could hear it and already feel like there's something special about it, even if you couldn't pinpoint what it was. This might be considered blasphemous to some (so this is on-topic) , but while I love talking about the lore and the plot and the characters, the music is where Touhou's heart is.

>>44123349
>there's plenty of male humans
You'd be surprised how prevalent the opposite opinion is, even nowadays.

>>44123076
>woah hoh look at me I posted the funny marisa image and called you a redditor so im obviously an oldfag
Enjoy your summer vacation :)

>>44105860
Do you have the one with the Sakuya & Momiji at a con? I lost it and I've been thinking about it.

>>44105728
I guess I sorta wish ZUN would have the same characters cause different incidents. It feels a little to me like the cast expands too much and he'll eventually overlap ideas almost ver baitem at some point. Another thing, I don't really want to see all the 1-5 characters come back, maybe a nod or reference that they existed, sure, but not a full-on return as playable or bosses

>>44122978
Kill Yourself

>>44123140
Thank you a lot

Now, I think this counts as an unpopular opinion, tell me,
when did the decline of Touhou begin? I mean, of the fandom,
of the games, of whatever. I think it started after LoLK, but that's
just my opinion, what do you think?

>>44122003
Not sure if it indicates anything, but W&HH and FS were pretty damn high in the popularity polls when it came to Touhou works. But I guess they left the biggest mark on the series in comparison to any of the other print works, even the fairy one.
>>44123349
There are male youkai though, they tend to be the focus point to some of the manga's mini arcs. Characters like the evil dragon or the glutton snake, and of course the fortune teller who has become is the most popular joke option when it comes to the polls.
I don't think we will get a male character period when it comes to the official games, outside of HRtP.

Only a God could have Gensokyo as Harem, a Lovecraftian cosmic God.

>>44127103
And don't forget these guys.

>>44123435
>This might be considered blasphemous to some (so this is on-topic) , but while I love talking about the lore and the plot and the characters, the music is where Touhou's heart is.
This isn't blasphemous nor an unpopular opinion. ZUN is primarily a musician not a game developer. Also the games were made to showcase the music not the other way around, so the games are really just a medium to experience the music, that's why the gameplay and art are crappy for EoSD but the music is top notch.
Read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZUN_(video_game_developer)
>ZUN was part of his school's orchestra club, and originally wanted to create music for video games. As he did not know anybody else who was making games that he could put his music in, he made his own games for this purpose.
So I don't think it's controversial to say the music is what made Touhou special. Heck, the sole reason I got into Touhou was because of the music and I wasn't even the kind of guy into anime or fiction. And for me Touhou is 90% music, the lore, games and the girls are simply an extra bonus.

>>44123435
Unpopular opinion? The reason it got so big is because Gensokyo, or its proxy in our world really exists. The Gods, Youkai, etc., are using Zun as a medium to spread the word/fear/faith of their existence because they need us/miss us/want to or need to eat us or something we produce via faith/fear, or just because they want to validate their own existence after they were split from the confines of human belief when it came to depictions of the various physical forms they can and do take. Our maybe they want to fight, party, and fuck and they're able to reach us via our renewed interest in their existence? Whether we're sharing the menu or in the menu..... who knows?

>>44129568
Shall we make a thread talking about what it would be like if Gensokyo existed and theories about it?

>>44129624
To be honest, that would be wonderful to get actual lore discussions up and running to the extent of "what if they're real and how does that impact us and them". This thread is great so far, but it all tends to devolve into memes and cooming mixed with two opposite ends of "they're all harmless little goober" or "they all hate-fuck your corpse for fun". I respect the things said so far and in the past, but personally looking for more of an /X/ spin on Gensokyo and what it may mean.
Truth be told, this is one of the very few times I've ever actually done anything besides lurk since the days of this place being a video game discussion forum. "Oldfag", I know; I wear it with pride

>>44129657
Okay, i understand, let me have a moment, i will create the thread

>>44129678
Not to be pushy toward you since you said you would create one, but... have I missed it, by chance? Are you planning on putting it on /jp/ or /x/?

>>44129788
Here in /jp/, I'm still looking for a decent image.

>>44129788
I already created the thread

Remixes to ZUN's work are often garbage. I find myself returning to the OSTs more often than, say, a FELT album. Also,PCB is his best work and i'm unsure why people like IN's soundtrack more when comparing the first 4 Windows games.

>>44131023
6-9 are all different flavours, I like a lot of EoSD's musical tracks, particularly the stage themes.
Overrated? Only because some people want to pretend they're oldfags. Good? Absolutely.
But the original trilogy + PoFV are all in a totally different style from each other, so it's not impossible to like one more than the other for totally subjective reasons.

I like the old remixes from DiPP the best though, well balanced and true enough to the original.
A lot of fan mixes tend to have one instrument drowning out the rest of the track, or make poor decisions in instruments.
Looking at you, snare drum and electric guitar.

>>44131023
fwiw I agree that PCB has the best soundtrack, but I think it still sounds a bit sonically stunted when compared to IN which finally would do away with MIDI-ready soundtracks and allowed ZUN to embrace more sonic effects like big reverbs and phasers on exported pieces, which does make it sound a bit less dated and more alive than PCB, which is why some might find it more pleasing to listen to outside of the game context I guess?

>>44131023
No strong opinion on ZUN's own tracks and which are the best although neither EoSD or IN particularly tickle my bone personally, neither of them have a track I'd rank Top 25, but they're not bad.
I do agree that I don't have that strong of an interest towards remixes either, and it boils down to the relative inflexibility of ZUN's music. There's a lot that's being told through them and it sometimes feels incompatible with certain genres or the fan artist ignored. I like to take Larva's theme as an example since it's one of the easier themes to read. Its lower pitch and the tension it channels particularly at the beginning emphasize that there's something not quite right, both with the incident at hand, or with Larva herself, but it's still relatively fast paced and erratic like a fairy, and a little whimsical. It might be hard to convey all of that in more "chill" genres of music, and at this point I kind of lose interest. The opposite where all the subtlety is lost or the genre is too overpowering in a "music for the sake of music" way can also happen.
I'm not completely closed to the idea of remixes but I'm more cautious about them. I also dont want to undermine the talents of the fan artists that choose to remix Touhou songs, there's a lot of passion into however they shape their craft.

SoEW is a decent game and it's better than say TD. SoEW MIDI version is one of the best soundtracks in the series.
ZUN's art is mostly genuinely good with scarce exceptions.
EoSD has strong erotic undertones. PCB has some too. That's fine.
ZUN writes well but only when he wants to.

>>44132294
>ZUN's art is mostly genuinely good with scarce exceptions.

It's mediocre, but the actual character designs are great (for the most part, I think he's starting to run out of ideas a bit).
He's a lot better with ink I think, the stuff you see on those wooden plaques is pretty good.

>EoSD has strong erotic undertones. PCB has some too. That's fine.
The fuck? Explain pls.

>>44132632
STARTING to run out of ideas? Over half the girls have basically the same haircut. Shortish mid-length wavy hair with bangs. Many characters are just clones of each other with small changes (think Tei and Kyoko and Nazrin, their designs are identical). I also find it weird that every single character has bangs. I mean, I like bangs too, but he could have mixed it up and given at least a few girls a bare forehead. There's a few girls that are close to having no bangs, but they're still there, just with parted bangs.

>>44105728
TD isn't nearly as bad as people say it is and it's better than let's say EoSD and WBaWC. The stage sections are decent, the bosses are overall good enough and the gimmick mechanic (Trance) is good and impactful without being "in your face" like animal spirits and ufos.

>hurrr music and characters bad

subjective and as a result your opinion on the music/characters has no bearing on the objective qualities of the game.

>>44132735
Not enough of a forehead for you?

>>44132632
>>EoSD has strong erotic undertones. PCB has some too. That's fine.
>The fuck? Explain pls.
It's many small things. For EoSD...
Reimu's spread legs on the title screen. The beginning of the title theme that feels like entering a darkened, relaxing teahouse or something. The color scarlet. Marisa got a maid apron for this game. Western vampires are intrinsically erotic. Art being traced from a sexy maid manga makes Sakuya a much sexier maid than say Yumeko. The first Touhou game in which bosses have their clothes torn after defeat. Remilia getting touchy-feely in some of the endings.
Some of the portraits just OOZE femininity in this game. EoSD character select Marisa looks infamously kissable.
To sum it up like picrel this game gives me the impression of a work that strives for maximum titillation while staying very strictly within the confines of maintaining an appearance of prudishness. This makes it seemingly paradoxically that much more appealing.
I feel the same way about PCB except less so.

>>44133180
She still has bangs, they're side-swept. A true no bangs 2hu doesn't exist, unless I'm overlooking someone. Think of Takagi-san.

The music of EoSD is a low point of the early series. Generally very grating and otherwise doesn't stand out. Everything for several years before and after sounds much better (okay, maybe not HRtP)

We havent had a good extra stage since touhou 12

There's too many blonde touhous

>>44133267
Because bangs improve almost every woman. Really rare to find a woman without bangs in Japan overall I'd say. Maybe Sariel is the closest.

I love long ZUN tracks, even those that repeat a lot. Stuff like Visionary Game ~ Dream War makes me feel something I cannot feel anywhere else

>>44133267
That's just early male-pattern baldness, Anon.

>>44123435
>Touhou does not have advertising.
and all this time i figured team shanghai alice had been astroturfing much of the touhou posting across this ib

Nobody in Gensokyo is a faggot
I'm not that much into OC's but the girls should be shipped with actually interesting male Touhou OC's just to end this yuri faggotry once and for all

>>44136569
What do you think of Rinnosuke? Just asking

figthers storyline's stopped being interesting after HM

>>44136569
ZUN doesn't push yuri in his works, outside the yuribaiting of Merry and Renko.
It's just the fandom, and even if ZUN says no faggotry in Gensokyo, fandom is going to do what it wants to do.

>>44136569
>so scared of gay people you have to make fanfic characters

>>44136569
I think 2hous should not be shipped with anyone at all, not everything needs romance.

>>44136605
I've sometimes seen him around the fandom lately, other than that i know absolutely nothing about him because his novel book looks too much like my church's newspaper looking papers

>>44136670
I know that, and it's sad how every fandom is always going to include faggotry in it

>>44136933
Nigga when is ZUN ever going to make another male character for a Touhou game ever since Unzen?

>>44137107
Makes sense, after all touhou girls are made for BWC (Big Weeb Cock) anyway.

>>44105728
While I wouldn't mind owning one, the community around fumos is so fucking awful that i would never publicly admit to it, lest i be mistaken for associated with the terminally brain damaged.

>>44137225
This, except there's a fumo channel on youtube that is actually cute unlike all of those buyfags that actually waste their money on those shitty shorties.

>>44105733
>>44136569
Fan yuri is more about depicting a cute/hot romance than shoving an agenda in your face. In fact, a lot of jap artists just use it as an aesthetic and don't associate it with real world social bullshit.
Personally not my favorite, but as long as it's not the same saccharine lovey dovey stuff I don't mind seeing it.

>>44137450
>hot romance
Don't even think about beating your meat to it

>>44136655
Why?

>>44133259
>Reimu's spread legs on the title screen
You find THIS erotic? Seriously dude?

>>44137467
I don't. Just saying there's people out there who fetishtize yuri without the social connotation.

>>44137548
My goodness she is so erotic here
The spread legs! The face! The hands erotically holding her skirt! The erotic feet!

>>44105728
I will die on the hill believing Eirin is actually Chang'e.
>Eirin isn't even her real name
>That amount of time between when Kaguya-hime was found by the bamboo cutter and his wife, and when the Lunarians actually FOUND HER. Eirin's the brain of the moon and she couldn't get a hold of her near instantly? Suspicious is an understatement. Bitch was probably off seducing Junko's hubby.
>You never actually see Chang'e
>Eirin has HOUYI'S GODDAMN BOW on her and as a spell card.

>Also nobody can shake my belief that Reimu has Meira somewhere in the shrine as her househusband(female). The only canon ship aside from Zun and beer.

>>44136569
2hus should only be shipped with me.

>>44133259
This is the most unhinged schizo post in the whole thread, congrats.

>>44120201
I am nearly certain this is what he would do

>>44137681
I want you to continue to elaborate on your theory, I like to know more about the character.

>>44137681
Would you mind if I post it in the 2hu lore thread?

>>44117197
proofs?

>>44138446
knock yourself out.
>>44138424
H'okay, buckle up because I'm going full Conspiracy Board Charlie on this one.
>Chang'e is never seen, at all, except as a silhouette in SSiB. This could easily be a body double/proxy.
>Chang'e is a prisoner for drinking the Hourai Elixir. Eirin created and drank the damn elixir, and could be in secret pseudo-exile for it instead of being imprisoned. Given how much the Watatshits worship her, I could easily see them doing this out of sentimentality.
>Also the rabbits that Chang'Eirin created are punished because shitty Lunarian reasoning. Seriously, it's like a guy getting convicted for exposing himself to a preschool and every generation of his family following him being sentenced to work in labor camps.
>Chang'e's hubby, Houyi, kills the suns, gets in trouble, goes to drink the elixir to avoid punishment, and she beats him to the punch, initiating her "first" exile on earth and his death. She keeps his bow.
>This is about the time that Kaguya goes "bamboo babby" mode. Watatsukis can't find her, so they ask Chang'e to find Hime, since she's already "tainted" there's no risk to the moon. During that time, she meets, seduces, and drives insane Junko's hubby. Chang'Eirin may have different hair at this point, bitch could probably permachange her hair at will.
>Eirin finds Kaguya, pops smoke to get her taken home. Still under house arrest because Hourai Elixir, she decides to bail with Kaguya by having her drink the Elixir, getting the latter exiled and getting the Slutatsukis to send her on another "recovery mission". This is when she murders the emissaries and goes to ground with Kaguya in Eientei. It's also when she full-time takes the name Eirin.
>One of those emissaries was Sakuya. I mean, only Lunarians seem to have timehax powers, and Eirin's I.N. freakout makes a lot of sense then.
>When Reisen arrives, she's treated like shit NOT because she's a traitor, but because she's a reminder to Eirin of what an awful POS the latter actually is.
And yeah, that's about it.

>>44142794
>Filename
I can't wait to see the reaction of the Vietnamese

>>44142794
So how do you reconcile all that with her being Omoikane?

>>44146046
Not him
But I love sociopathic women!
What do I care what she does to the rabbit?

>>44146195
>Flips conspiracy board to the other side.
She's both. However, all her wise counsel and intelligence has been geared towards one objective. Putting herself in a position where people rely on her to the point where she can do LITERALLY ANYTHING and get away with it with next to no repercussions.
She convinces everyone to move to the moon, away from the impurity, and helps them set up a culture and government that would buckle under the slightest hint of so-called impurity. She likely had predicted the First Lunarian War before Yukari ever thought of eliminating the agitators in early Gensokyo. So she made sure that the force of youkai could get through, knowing it would scare the Mooninites even more. Then, when she got bored of the moon, she instigated both the Ten Suns event - drawing the ire of Awesome Shirt Goddess in the process - and the subsequent exile of her and Hou Yi, who likely wound up dead because he was a possible liability.
Her brief sojourn back on Terra Firma lets her set up ANOTHER enemy of the moon (Junko), while getting her in touch with Kaguya, who turns out to be as much a fan of terrestrial life as she is, making her an excellent piece in Yagokoro's chess game.
The Second Exile, to Gensokyo, was her penultimate, but perhaps most devious, step in freeing herself from anyone wishing for her return. Killing the Emissaries and having Kaguya lock Eientei away from the prying eyes of the Moon likely convinced the Lunarians - now fully terrified of the impure land - that nobody, short of expendable slave rabbits, should go down there, ever. Which is why Reisen fled there.
Imperishable Night was a test, running with a theory she likely came up with following the arrival of Udonge. The theory being that she and, to a lesser extent, Kaguya could actually rejoin the normal timeframe of Gensokyo without being accosted by the moon. And that theory was proven correct, although the presence of Sakuya initially spooked her until she realized the maid had forgotten she was an emissary.
HOWEVER, she knows that there are still two possible pawns in play, Hecatia and Junko, and waits to see if anything comes of that. But until then, she builds her power base, making not only the residents of Eientei, but the Human Village and a small portion of the youkai, dependent on her medical knowledge.
Imagine her - incredibly pleasant - surprise, when the moon sends two very expendable, easily "corrupted" rabbits to beg and plead for help from the residents of Gensokyo. So she sends Reisen along with some drugs that prove incredibly useful to the protagonists - including Reimu, the shrine maiden IN CHARGE OF KEEPING GENSOKYO FROM SHITTING ITSELF OUT OF EXISTENCE - when they go up against the Chang'e Slaughter Squad.
Fast Forward to today. She's now one of the biggest behind the scenes players by proxy - usually Reisen, sometimes Tewi and the other rabbits - with ties to : the Hakurei, Yukari, the SDM, the Human Village, as well as a modicum of power and authority over her old patsies on the Moon, the Watatsukis.

Tl;dr - She's still intelligent and wise as Omoikane, but it's all for the sake of Numero Uno(Chang'e).

>>44146808
>although the presence of Sakuya initially spooked her until she realized the maid had forgotten she was an emissary
?????????

>>44148075
What?

Best touhou fannart are the ones that pay the most attention to the Zun portraits (seriously some details that get unnoticed from the portraits are so cute)

>>44149163
Is that an unpopular opinion? It should be an absolute fact

I'm similar to >>44131023. The only fan arranges I like are the ones that keep the melody, those that deviate from the original often pail in comparison and the new melody isn't as strong as ZUN's original so I lose interest. Using FELT as an example, https://youtu.be/p8SXYg0pEG4 does nothing for me while I'm really fond of https://youtu.be/_E2FYQpkc6k..

As for ZUN's music, I think that his newer stuff would be as acclaimed as his older stuff if it used the MOF-UFO era instrumentation. I think the new drums sound plastic and lack strength, I'm not too big on the more frequent use of synths and guitar only sounded good as a backing instrument rather than taking the lead; his older pieces were often layered more, with the strings and counter-melodies making the piece sound fuller. The strength of the melodies remain, but they're brought down by the instruments.

>>44151084
Meant to link https://youtu.be/dhIdnPX1unA as the first song, whoops.

>>44151084
Yeah this is honestly whats bothering me with modern 2hu music the instrumentation just isnt as good as it should be, change the instruments and the soundtrack becomes way stronger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYW5z5KwkkI&pp=ygUpdG91aG91IDE5IHRoZSB3b3JsZCBpcyBtYWRlIGZyb20gY3V0ZW5lc3M%3D

new characters are unpopular partly because touhou isn’t as big but most of the dialogue sucks now. it’s far too short and most of it is just generic snark instead of the weird but entertaining back and forths from the first games up until about ufo or td

>>44156672
No, what kills the new characters (aside from their shitty unappealing designs) is the lack of potential interaction with other characters. Notice how the weirdos from TH16, TH17 and TH18 appear all in their own isolated bubbles, while super popular characters like the cast of EoSD, IN and SA are all families living together.

>>44119844
>I know that /jp/ has mainly devolved into a coomer board with tons of 3DPD shit, and people see the cooming and just start making more coomer posts including Touhou
Where is the supposed difference in whether you jerk it to fictional, real, 2D, or 3D characters? Why that is so unreasonable of an expectation on a blue board to not hornypost?
Muh culture?
Muh anime?
Muh 2hu?
Muh idols?
Bro fapping and lust is inherently insecure, take that somewhere else.

>>44156718
Excluding how quickly people took the liberty of tying the 3 gang leaders + Keiki and Mayumi together for fun hijinks
You fell right into a point that's interesting and what I believe is the more accurate reason for the relative lack of traction of newhus, excluding negligeable reasons or tribalism like a supposed unwillingness of certain fans (Which i'm sure there is a little of, but wasting time arguing shit like this will ultimately be our undoing and we should unite over our love of the franchise overall), is the lack of opportunities.
Reisen and Mokou are the pillars of IN's popularity. It's not that Eirin or Kaguya are unpopular but there hasn't been as many opportunities for them. They were in IN, Kaguya admitedly has also one of the most iconic photo spells too, and relevance in printworks. But that's still less than playable appearances for Mokou or Reisen.
It took this long for a new Phantasmagoria to pop up (which I expect to do really good for girls like Seiran on the polls), there hasn't been a new playable character otherwise since Sanae, and Tasofro's debacles with 17.5 make the future of Touhou fighting games/whatever else they wanna make uncertain. 3rd Gen Touhous are still waiting for so much of their content if it'll happen at all. Chimata, Megumu and Sannyo showed up in LS for a bit but they're side notes in "The Mamizou/Aya/Suika/Protags show". 17's cast is largely being developed through the games but even then the actual 17 characters could be used within something that's arguably more about them like 17.5. That game, Yuuma aside, as only two 3rd Gen 2hu, and that's Kutaka and Okina.
On the fan game front, it's not much better, since they're less marketable. In an ideal world, everyone would have such faith in their project that they can put anyone front and center and be confident on the quality of their game that it'll do great anyway, but sometimes your aim isn't to make the biggest, best game or you don't have the budget or time to follow, but some dosh could help you for your next projects and it's not with Takane as the protagonist that you're gonna make that moolah, so shove that Sakuya or Cirno protag in here and make another EoSD fan game.
Reminds me of an artist I know who I talked to about this and their pixiv views depending on characters, the difference between the time they drew Koishi and the time they drew Megumu is discouraging to say the least.

>>44156718
>EoSD, IN and SA
These are all unique cases. I wouldn't say 3 out of 6 games in the old era to be defining that era, especially when there's huge gap between IN and SA.

>>44129568
>>44129624
>>44129657
Where's the thread? I'm still waiting...

>>44162527


It's this one. >>44129824
"What if Gensokyo were a real place?"

It was really good and had some decent discussion, but ended up floundering a bit in some spots.

>>44163422
How the fuck did I not see this thread? I really need to stop browsing /jp/ at night...

I don't know why, but i prefer ZUN's artstyle from 7-11 more than his modern artstyle

>>44175007

>>44175212
Peak SOVL.

>>44175007
me too

>>44175007
I disagree just because Chimata is the cutest design he's done ever.

>>44105728
I think the print works are way better then the games. I would love for there to be a manga or novel adaptation of the games. Touhou streghth, in my opinion, is the sheer potential Gensokyo and it's character have to offer.

>>44106147
nah 6 is good, main game is peak bullet hell, agreed on the opinions on 7 and 8 though.
8 is so unfun it's a chore to play, you get nothing bullets for 10 min and then suddenly 5 unfairly difficult spell cards in a row. it is only cited as the "easiest" bc ppl don't admit they play it with 6 starting lives instead of 2.

>>44118214
One looks like shit while the other is aesthetically pleasing, they're far from the same.

>>44182497
I will pay you to chimapost.
Payment will be in chimacoins!

>>44105728
PTSD War Veteran Udonge is a hundred, a thousand times better than "useless rabbit good only for sex".

>>44138382
you're being too hopeful here

>>44108698
>Fumos are overpriced trash.
t. got scammed by scalpers
>Gensokyo is a shitty place and you absolutely don't want to go there.
partially true
>Killing vicious youkai is the right thing to do.
full truth

>>44108777
>EoSD
EoSD is a bridge between proper windows and pc-98 and yes, is a copy of MS in a lot of ways

>>44108963
I can see some 2hu reach that kind of popularity if they got in th6 instead, but chinata is one of the few I cannot see it

>>44109382
>a western mansion in the japanese folklore preservation park is simply too good of an idea to be glossed over.
>westerners, full easterners after
to be fair it gives kind of a wrong idea of what touhou does contains

>>44110023
>reboot
kill the SDM and you got a deal

>>44110161
>and Myouren Hijiri becomes Gensokyo's version of Muhammad. The Hijiri school of Sufi Islam believes that Byakuren is the true succesor to Myouren whereas Toyosatomimi no Miko believes that there is no succesor to Myouren and instead that people should follow the laws directly as ordered by the Quran instead.
now I want to see something like this

>>44121446
>Not an opinion per se but I don't understand how 2hu got popular in the first place.
gensokyou's youkai magic anon that backfired somehow, isn't that hard

>>44123435
aside of (or better, with) the music is also how good executed (yes, past tense in this particular case) is the tale-like atmosphere from th2 to th9 and something I thing it lacked in the latest games is, despite everything, reimu and marisa won against all odds, now their winnings feels shallows because now it always ends with the typical "won the battle but lose the war" situation

>>44175007
Not really an unpopular opinion

>>44191344
Touch my wife and I'll invert your ribcage.

>>44149163
this, I still find baffling how they despict sanae's frog "hairpin" instead of the hairband that it really is in MoF, but again it became a hairpin in later games...
also how the default apearance of reimu and marisa is from IN, instead like EoSD for example (reimu used more a blue nectie against the yellow one you ussually see in fanworks, same with the side braid, marisa more times does not have it most of the times)

>>44191607
your wife is shit anon, SHIT

>>44156802
3DPD. Enough said. If you don't understand why that's incredibly wrong to be popular on a so-called "otaku" board, then you're young enough that all your thoughts and opinions are invalid to me.

>>44191701
I'm 3X, never had a strong desire for sex, been to Japan and back several times, done actual work on creative projects with /jp/ in the past... and just think 3DPD is for the nerds who can't get over real women.
Oh no, they're borish coomers I can't make go away?
That's a problem?
How old do I have to be until my ability to ignore the threads I get nothing out of on certain boards, and focus on the ones I do, stops becoming a normie disorder or some cultural heresy and starts becoming
Enough meta, you bore of a gatekeep. Actually go and CREATE a thread or two about topics you like if you think your contributions are so valuable - that's what the boards for.

>>44191773
>and starts becoming
*an informed choice?

I dont want Mima to come back not because shes not my favorite or no one likes her but I think theres more interesting characters to bring back.
I think if theres 1 character Id like brought back is Yumemi because shes one of a handful of characters that knows about the outside world and somehow made it into Gensokyo using machines. Theres that theory that if the barrier would be gone that Gensokyo and its inhabitants would be fucked and I think Yumemi using modern technology "at the time" or at least her own inventions shows (at least at that time) that there was a possibility Gensokyo could be invaded by the outside world. If we get more characters that are from the outside world or we get more stuff relating to Renko and Maribel then id like Yumemi to be mentioned.

>>44191695
You leave SDM-chan alone.

>>44190466
I agree, but at the end of the day, both are inaccurate to her character, so eh.

>>44190466
Those are not mutually exclusive.

>>44193062
You're not mutually exclusive.

I don't know if that's really relevant here as it's less of an unpopular opinion and more of a headcanon, but I like to believe that at least some events of PC-98 games were real, they happened to Reimu's mom, and the stuff we see in the games is child Reimu's imagination running a bit wild after her mom told her these events as a bedtime story.

>>44190466
>war veteran so crippled by ptsd she's only good for sex
there
grim

>>44193270
go back to youtube comment section where you belong filthy trash

>>44190466
Both interpretations are shit.

>>44191773
>I'm 3X, never had a strong desire for sex
Obese or fucked brain chemistry? A mental/genetic disorder either way
>coomer
>normie
>make a thread and be a content creator(like me)
You reek of newfaggory and worse of all, tourism. Kill yourself out of /jp/

>>44191344
I respect this decision.

The worst secondaries are those with very specific fetish/power fantasy fanons who obviously don't enjoy the series beyond that. You can complain about normalfaggotry and meme spammers too, but to me there's nothing worse than so-called fans that just use Touhou for cheap wish fulfillment. Even worse is when they bash other interpretations and then chimp out when criticism comes their way.

>>44191911
She will never come back, her whole concept was pretty much reused for Sumireko.
>>44191344
Can we at least keep Rumia around?

>>44105830

this. 2000s touhou fanart was gold.

They have a real charm that you don't get with modern fanart.

>>44203218
>Can we at least keep Rumia around?
Only if she replaces Daiyousei and is reimagined as Cirno's girlfriend.

>>44203269
It generally has more production value than anything that comes up nowdays in comparation
>>44203274
Cunny sandwich my favorite.

>>44203288

yeah.
they have more soul in general.

>>44105728
2hus (a lot of the named ones at least) are much much more powerful than people think. I notice way too many people acting as if they're just bums who could get rekt by some guy with a gun or something. I mean some of them *are* bums (one quite literally) but most of them have reality manipulating powers or powers that allow them to change or break fundamental laws of reality on a conceptual level.
Now i'm not gonna go full powershitter and bore anyone reading this with weird or inaccurate calculations or strange leaps in logic. All you have to do is just observe. Literally just look at their abilities. Kaguya's control over time, Yukari's boundaries, Keine's power to consume and create history (not ''concealing'' history as people think), Yuugi and her huge fucking muscles and her ''Wielding unexplainable phenomena'' which is such vague bullshit that she could feasibly do whatever she wants (like Yukari). The fact that youkai can only be harmed spiritually etc
There's also the mythology that underlies touhou. Literally read any story about gods or supernatural beings from east asian faiths (or any faith in general) and you'll get an understanding of what they can do. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a Brain of the Moon to figure out what the cute girls with frilly dresses can do if they're riled up and aren't playing by danmaku rules.
I think people hand wave these stuff away because touhous hold back all the time and more importantly these people have a massive fucking hard-on for muh ''Humanity Fuck Yeah!'', which is dogshit btw but thats a different topic. They want to feel empowered (because HFY is essentially a power fantasy) or maybe they just cant handle the existential dread that comes with the supernatural (which is inherently beyond the laws of nature or science) and humanity not being able to fully comprehend or much less deal with the supernatural aside from a very small portion of humans who can use magic (even then, the only really powerful one is Reimu). This is all extremely ironic since youkai are themselves supernatural and would totally prey on that fear and gain power from it. They're just strong as fuck, no matter how much certain people might not like that. A modern military with all its manpower, logistics and hardware would be wiped out of existence if Yukari just waved her hand.

>>44204211
1) Youkai like to exaggerate their powers
2) They almost certainly have limitations, such as Satori passing out from reading too many minds, Yukari requiring multiple gaps to climb the mountain, etc.
3) Human psychics can and do exist in the Touhou universe. Sumireko is capable of flight and various indirect powers (telekinesis)
4) Humans are capable of becoming youkai through various means, and possibly even "gods". This is a means of fighting against Gensokyo
5) Large organizations like the US government 100% have measures against supernatural/paranormal threats such as youkai
6) The human population is overwhelmingly large compared to the population of Gensokyo

Look, the gaps are cute and all but Yukari can't do anything against a barrage of drone strikes hitting her the second she comes out of her pocket dimension or genetically engineered psychics working for an agency that doesn't exist and should just be forgotten about immediately.

>>44204211
The fundamental premise of Touhou is that youkai are almost entirely unable to exist on Earth and are forced to hide away from their world in a literal fantasy land, dumbass.
They may be able to wield fantastical powers in their own little world, but they're fundamentally illusionary powers wielded by literally illusionary people and hold increasingly little power outside of it.
Sure, if you threw a random guy with a gun into Gensokyo, he'd be fucked and drown in the illusion, but if the outside world breeched the barrier and invaded en masse, their collective disbelief and common sense would render the youkai's power fake and gay, leaving them helpless against humanity's technology, which unlike the youkai is very much real and not manifested through belief. That's the real threat the outside world poses and why the youkai cannot stop them; they derive from humanity, but if humanity at large becomes aware of them, the youkai would immediately be rendered impotent by the selfsame means that permit their existence in the first place.

>>44204399
It's even simpler than that. Youkai already were rendered impotent and nearly non-existent by humanity. They'd already lost. This is why Gensokyo was set up in the first place.

>>44201163
>>44204211
Lol.

>>44105728
I didn't liked Touhou 8

Not sure if this is unpopular, but ZUN's newer music mostly sucks ass, or is at least mediocre. Not sure what exactly makes it so different from his older music, though...

The Touhou games were never good. You only liked them because you got into them when you were long and you had the time and energy to deal with the games' bullshit.

>>44208718
I'm sorry you end up becoming a wagie anon

I don't like anyone from MoF but Aya and the Akis.
They all just seem boring and predictable to me, no real depth to their characters.

>Even Kanako?
Especially Kanako.
Her main thing is fucking shit up for everyone else by not thinking it through at all. It marked the touhou plotlines going downhill for me. It used to be more whacky and obviously supernatural, but not in a way that's too directly related to the real cause behind what it is.
MoF is just miko beef. I'm sorry.

>>44213890
What depth does Remilia, Flan and Cirno have?

>>44214660
NTA, but those have had many, many more appearances than, say, Momiji or Suwako. Kanako is somewhat prominent, as in Sanae, but neither has had nearly as much exposure as the SDaeMites. Suwako is just a third wheel to the two as it is.

Momiji? Who's that?

>>44213890
>It used to be more whacky and obviously supernatural
nigga the last three mainline games we have a god wrecking the natural balance, beast spirit from another realm possessing your character, and a dying god's last effort to stay alive (ok that one is just yugioh craze, but still)
>but not in a way that's too directly related to the real cause behind what it is
scarlet mist is over when you beat remi's ass, long winter is over when you beat yuyuko's ass, and long night is over when you beat kaguya's ass, and those three incident never had any bleeding plot point seeping to the next game like the newer one either

>>44214820
>long night is over when you beat kaguya's ass
Kaguya and co. didn't cause the eternal night; that was the protagonists' own doing. Eirin was instead fucking around with the moon and effectively replaced it with a slightly shittier fake version.

>>44204399
>if humanity at large becomes aware of them, the youkai would immediately be rendered impotent by the selfsame means that permit their existence in the first place
It's checkmate for humanity if Yukari dissolves the boundary of fantasy and reality as humanity acknowledges anew the existence of youkai.
Given how smart and forward-thinking she purportedly is, this boundary must have an emergency mechanism of this sort.

>>44137681
>>44142794
>>44146808
Ridiculous. Chang'e is obviously Junko.
Consider what Eirin said about the whole situation. When she talks about Hou Yi, she talks about him as the husband of Junko and Chang'e, but never says anything about him being either's former husband, or leaving either. That's because Junko and Chang'e are one and the same.
Hou Yi killed his own son, which Eirin implies happened because of Chang'e's "evil gift", which led Junko to kill Hou Yi and swear revenge on Chang'e, while purifying herself into a being that exists as a pure grudge. Also, Chang'e drinks the Hourai Elixir, becomes a toad somehow, and is locked away in the Lunar Capital, where she is in charge of the moon rabbits for reasons. Both exist at the same time, because the grudge (Junko), split from the body (Chang'e), much like Kasen and her arm. Though unlike them, Junko is not aware of their connection. The real reason why Chang'e is locked away is also because Junko must never be allowed to meet her, or disaster would ensue. It's for her own protection.

Eirin, meanwhile, knows all of this because she was the one who gave Chang'e the "evil gift" to begin with, for reasons of her own, which is also something that "Junko" is unaware about.

>>44215046
I know, but the point still stand

>>44106147
>6 sucks ass
yeah you're a dumb fucking nigger monkey who probably won't admit he needs a hitbox because he's a shitter at Touhou and at life. Fuck you.

>>44190466
>Never even fought in a war, just scrammed.
That bunny is only good for sex appeal!

>>44214820
HSiFS was pretty good IMO, but the other two fell a little flat. Okina is a pretty good counter to Yukari, but WBaWC seemed a little forced and UM leant too hard on a gimmick mechanic that messes with the core gameplay.

>>44214660
EoSD just is a neat execution of a good if somewhat basic concept.
It's not building off of anything, it's not really setting PCB up, but it's not a status quo like a lot of the newer ones where "Oh I guess they were there all along and we just never saw them before".
Could say the same thing about PCB, but at least the barrier between life and death is a decent enough explanation for how no one's found Hakugyukoro yet.

>>44215764
>lambasted
Kek, I'd say he did a good job following the request of the OP

>>44218690
>but it's not a status quo like a lot of the newer ones where "Oh I guess they were there all along and we just never saw them before"
That's because the damn franchise got rebooted and had a fresh start in TH6 duh, it's like complaining why Bowser didn't show up in the original DK arcade.
Almost every damn character in post-TH9 also have a good reason to not showing up before, anon. Either they came from another realm/dimension/the fucking space/whatever, mostly isolating themselves in dangerous habitat and rarely travelled outside, or just small fry irrelevant youkai unwittingly got entangled in the latest incident. The only "status quo" character like you've said is unironically Okina herself.
Put down the rose glasses.

>>44191911
>Yumemi
she's one of my favorite character from pc-98 but of all 2hu games PoDD is the most copyright-breaker, there¿s a good reason we never seen again any of all original (and ellen) character that debuted in iy

>>44214660
>Cirno
surprisingly a ton

>>44215764
>who probably won't admit he needs a hitbox because he's a shitter at Touhou and at life. Fuck you.
I´ll bite, MS is twice as good as EoSD

>>44204278
1) Yeah just ignore them demonstrating their powers or neutral/indifferent spellcards or statements validating their power (and dont forget the mythologies they're based on or outright taken from has them doing crazy shit as well)
2) Yukari can teleport to the moon (albeit under specific conditions) and casually passes through Gensokyo's dimensional barrier that separates the real from the fantastical and her gaps take no effort for her to use at all. She can also pull objects from the Outside World into her world (like trains). The mountain thing is weird but i can rationalize that as magic being used to deter her from going there (no one likes her). The same could be said for the Moon since she invaded it. You can disregard this headcanon but you cant ignore the places shes able to get to on a whim.
3) Lmfao Sumireko? Really? I did bring up the subject of humans using magic. But most of them are piss weak, like Sumireko (relatively speaking). Reimu is the only anomaly in that regard. And Sumireko herself is an anomaly in so far as her practicing magic. If most of humanity had an inclination to magic to like she did we'd be seeing more people coming to Gensokyo but we dont.
4)Wow so they literally need to join the enemy because their humanity is inherently weak? Thanks for proving my point. That's assuming they even know and if it'll work out and if they would want to go so far as to lose their humanity.
5)What counter measures? What can they pull out of their ass? I can see them trying something if pressed but they're going up against millennia old entities that have been using and studying magic longer than their nations have existed, in fact a lot of these entities are MADE of magic. They're fighting an uphill battle thats practically vertical. And i didnt even mention the sanzu river spanning gap in intelligence and wisdom between some boomer in Congress and Yukkari/Ran/Eirin for example.
6) Yeah ok whatever. 6 billion cans waiting to be crushed by someone who can bend and warp the laws of physics on a fundamental level and cant be killed by physical means. Even if we pretend they cant just brute force the destruction of humanity theres still other less forceful ways they can do it. Like bringing about disasters and calamities (youkai and especially gods like to do this) or manipulating humanity into ending themselves in some way (guess who sent their army of shikigami's to infiltrate every military installation and launch nukes!)
Obama's drone strikes are cute, but they suddenly stop being cute when Yukari's boundary fuckery causes them to not work, phase them out of existence (both physically and metaphorically so they dont exist at all) or she just takes them on the chin because she cant be killed or hurt by physical means.

>>44204399
>The fundamental premise of Touhou is that youkai are almost entirely unable to exist on Earth
Mamizou came from the Outside World and Yukari regularly goes there to fuck around. I think only very weak youkai cant go to the Outside world.

>They may be able to wield fantastical powers in their own little world, but they're fundamentally illusionary powers wielded by literally illusionary people and hold increasingly little power outside of it.
Ok RETARD. Explain how they can STILL use their powers while on the moon, well away from ''their little world''? And i guess that's a load off Reimu's back. All those dead humans who were eaten by youkai aren't actually dead. When do you think they're going to wake up? Is Rinnosuke half not real? How does that work?

> but if the outside world breeched the barrier and invaded en masse, their collective disbelief and common sense would render the youkai's power fake and gay, but if humanity at large becomes aware of them, the youkai would immediately be rendered impotent by the selfsame means that permit their existence in the first place.
Did you drink liquid lead as a baby? If a human saw a youkai its existence would be validated by the observer. And that same observer would almost certainly feel fear which would fuel the youkai.
How else can you account for Mamizou existing in the outside world just fine? If their powers could be made ''fake and gay'' because some retard somehow hoodwinked himself into believing that it wasn't real (like some people in this thread) then how could they have been a threat to people in ancient times? Enough to where specialists (youkai exterminators) had to come up with creative means of killing them? They simply faded away over time because ZUN wanted them to. What you're saying makes no sense at all. If a setting with powerful characters spooks you so much and doesn't tickle your HFY, then maybe you should get filtered.

>>44222867
nta but calm down man

>>44215226
If Yukari dissolves that barrier, it'll only end up destroying the youkai. Humanity at large is not going to seriously believe in youkai again; only a handful of people would and the rest of the world would rightfully consider them retarded schizos.
Rationalism and an increased understanding of the world is poison to the supernatural; even in Gensokyo, the yamabiko are almost wiped out because the people there started to realize that echoes are just reflections of sound waves. They can't just show off their powers to convince people because of how much they're weakened in the face of modern humanity, so they were forced to flee into what's effectively a preserve for them.
The youkai already lost to humanity and there wasn't even a war involved.

touhou-nons, is this true?

Is today Tojiko day?

>>44224755
Yes, but it is also Parsee's day and Kyouko's day. You can correlate 8/4 to an important part of these characters which is how 2hu calendar days usually happen, although not that many really are that big. Off the top of my head, the ones that prompt the most action are Koishi's 5/14, Hina's 3/3 for Hinamatsuri, and a few more, in a sea of days that prompt about as much action as these character popping up in the 1-draw challenge.

All of the hu's are gay lesbos.

>>44224846
Yukari and/or Reimu would just collapse the barrier and kill everyone if that ever happened.

>>44215764
A lack of hitbox is the least of EoSD's issues

>>44224805
it's PARSEE'S day

>>44224755
Were you the one who made Kanako porn thread while saying it's her day?

>>44208718
Sounds like a personal problem. I guarantee there are anons older and busier than you that got into the games just fine.

>>44227060
I just don't have the time or energy to sink hundreds of hours into games that aren't even that good.

>>44224951
Nta, but can you elaborate? What exactly is so wrong with EoSD?
Is it the music? Patterns? Specific spellcards? I never noticed anything particularly bad with it.

>>44228113
Very janky, shrill music, excessive amounts of random spam, uninspired backgrounds, etc. It sits between the PC98 and windows games, and unfortunately combines the worst of both worlds.
I wouldn't say it's a bad game, but I think it's definitely weaker than what came before and after it.
I realize these are personal opinions, but hey, that's what this thread's about.

>>44105728
Not enough male characters that I can lust for.

>>44105728
>Post views about the series that would have you lambasted by jaypee, or at least a very specific portion of the fanbase.
The whole franchise is boring and soulless. Most of its """fans""" only like it to fit in.

>>44229528
Shut the fuck up. Fuck you, pussy.

>>44229874
muh soooul
go back and kill yourself nigger coon

>>44229874
This is the worst bait I've seen in a long time. Good job anon.

>>44105728
new spell patterns are uninspired and boring at average that in older games

>>44229528
It's not janky. MoF is janky. 9.5 is janky, because every time I play Reisen's card after Tewi's (or the other way around) there's a chance the wrong bunny will use the selected spellcard. Pic related is supposed to be Tewi's spellcard, for example. MS will crash half the time if I kill Mai before Yuki, though that might just be the emulator.
EoSD doesn't have any room for jank, unless you do actually consider the hitbox patch necessary to play.
>shrill music
You need to find a doctor, your ears don't work like they're supposed to. Almost every track in EoSD is a banger, and I'm not just talking about the vampire themes.
>random spam
Where? I thought EoSD was the most readable of the entire bunch.
>uninspired backgrounds
But the whole mansion is such an unique idea that people still prefer to use it in their secondary works over yet another japanese temple. Final confrontation in front of a huge red moon is climactic. Though I admit, Meiling's stage is weird with those uh, crystals, or whatever they are.
>worst of both worlds
No. There's no solid color bullets on solid color background, everything is perfectly readable. There's no annoying gimmick to keep track of, or overreliance on revenge bullets or singular annoying bullet type or forcing streaming for half the stage straight.
I must say, I think you're one of those contrarians who actually just don't like whatever is the most popular. I think maybe you're just tired of seeing the SDM cast dominating every artist's page, so you're potentially subconsciously trying to find things to complain about when it comes to the actual game. I get that, even if it absolutely isn't fair. But yeah, it's just an opinion.
And it should go without saying that >44229963 isn't me.

>>44136933
Maribel and Renko are close friends, not faggots. Learn the difference!

It's not canon but I still ship RenMerry
Let it sail

>>44231153
I think the random spam is probrally refering to patchy's stage, there is the books that shoots everywhere and patchy herself has rgn spellcards if i remember correctly. Hong has random spam cards too but its a stage 3 boss so its easy anyway.

>>44234119
Eternal Meek is the bullet vomit spell among bullet vomit spells, even if it narratively makes sense. I don't find random spam to be an issue much in EoSD myself, Meiling's last 2 spells are kinda lame, and Patchouli's wood spells or Philosopher Stone could be a little more graceful in their execution but I think it's fine.
I do join the Anon above on music however, the overall package i'd probably rank among my least favorite of ZUN's soundtracks, above SoEW but i'm not sure what else.

>>44234495
I like the music, at least they are memorable, better than Imperishable Night which i can not remember a single music aside Reisen's. Sure i would recognize them if i heard it again but i can not play them in my head like eosd. And i played them at same month. But ZUN does not have any objectively bad music i think it is a matter of taste.

Many feel uneasy with the EoSD soundtrack. At the time, ZUN was trying to produce "antique-style" music making heavy use of dissonance and detuning effects such as chorus, pitch bending and flanging.
They complain that it's "shrill" or "low sound quality".
The best known cure for this foolishness is to force them to listen to DiPP on loop. Side effects may include having the impression of repeatedly dying or turning into a doll. No worries, you'll get used to it earlier than you think!

>>44234634
As far as the music goes for EoSD, listening to it in the original form that Zun created it in before converting to what we got sounds much more harmonic and "smooth".

>>44229874

>>44105728
I actually LIKE the idea of (9)Force getting along with Keine and her temple school kids. It gives vibes of hope for the future, which I have been having trouble finding in reality.
What can I say, I'm an escapist.

ZUN's old art style is an oddly charming piece of eyecandy and it gets way too much hate. also lost word is 4 phaggots