/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>4394907

You couldn't knock Rudolf out.

>>4394907
>>4394932
slowpoke

You miss your ep.5 buddy

>>4394965

i'm done with ep1-6 .. so i dont know what you mean

>>4394972
>Ep.6

You've got to be shittin me, even if you have to read those moonrunes?

get out of here man...

>>4395018
...?

>>4395018

is there a problem for reading it in japanese if you can do it?

was it something different? it can't be poison can it?

>>4395072
>Won't forget or break a promise
;_;

>>4395087

what the heck, thats nice

>>4395087

what EP was that?

>>4395104
Wait, what? When did this happen?!!?

Training Battler to be all he can be. Not sure if you can stretch it to Bern mocking Beato in Episode 5.

>>4395072
What was Kumasawa doing on the mainland?

>>4395120
Shopping.

>>4395120

meeting the family before going on the boad with the others

>>4395129
I think she was posting letters really.

>>4395112
EP4 chapter 16

>>4395104

>>4395190
That fucker can pilot a plan & drive a boat.

>>4395210

that sounds retarded

>>4395225

>>4395239

i don't understand

>>4395087
>Jessica's corpse is in red.
>Corpse of Jessica isn't.
Hmm.

>>4395256
Kyrie & Rosa meet up to discuss strange things, a theory is Rosa brought poisoned tea.

>>4395269
Yeah, it would be a fucked up troll if Ryukishi didn't give a purpose to that specification by Beatrice.

>>4395269
better check the original text in japanese before theorizing further

Maid's stepdaughter huh?

>>4395299
I found that strange, i thought she was adopted but i guess not.

>>4395299
Huh, that's actually potentially big.

>>4395285
Witch-hunt takes so long to translate because they review their red text to make sure it's as close to the original as possible. They stated that that's pretty much how it shows up in the original. The periods aren't in red either.

>>4395239
Isn't Rosa talking about the family conference or their meetings as siblings off the island, though?

>we must interact more often
It doesn't sound like they met before. Otherwise that second line doesn't make any sense.

>>4395299
That line was changed in 4.2 patch I think.

>>4395310
I don't get it. Is this supposed to be foreshadowing Battler finding the gold?

>>4395327
I see what you mean, it's just after Ange & Maria seemed to be so close & i'm sure Ange mentioned once that her mother & Rosa would meet up.

>>4395339

Hm yeah I guess the original Japanese would be something like 義理の娘 and could very well be itnerpreted as adopted girl maid or something.

>>4395285
I checked it some time ago
red: Jessica's corpse
<the corpse of>Jessica
the corpse of in white, in the jap version
exactly the same

>>4395402

Also for the Kinzo is Battler theories: This "in the master's presence" always irritated me.

>>4395392
Maria's father is the culprit.
When he says "Maria said...the person who gave her the umbrella.....was Father."

He means Maria literally said "Papa gave it to me!" implying it was HER father.

Maria's father is Jessica.

>>4395414
I KNEW IT!

>>4395310

Holy Shit HollllllYYYYYY SHHHIIIIIITTTT
The truth TTTTHHHHHEE Thruuth!!!!!
TRUUUTH!!!

Oh Ryukishi you little...

Doesn't prove much, other than he's a bit of a dick.

>>4395407
Now would this mean a corpse Jessica is in possession of? Because if it was Jessica's pencil, then you would obviously be talking about the pencil she owns. However, if you say "Jessica's corpse" your mind immediately jumps to the most obvious conclusion, that it is her own corpse. But what if it was someone else who died, and she claims that-

Wait, let me stop myself there. I just realized how ridiculous an idea it would be to OWN the corpse of someone else. Maybe it makes more sense in Japanese grammar. I'm trying to figure out how "Jesicca's corpse" is okay to say in red, but not "the corpse of Jessica"

So was the picture put up before or after Kinzo's death?

>>4395456
And then somewhere between the time where Battler is kidnapped, he finds the hidden gold, and Rudolf can kick himself in the ass for that.

>>4395461
the corpse of jessica is equivalent to
corpse Jessica, with corpse as an adjective

>>4395470
I think Kinzo may have been alive, he died before the second from last family conference.

>>4395470
Holy shit, I forgot about that. Lets see, the conference that this takes place in is 2 years after his death...so, it would at least be pretty damn close to his death if he wasn't dead already.

Can someone post the Japanese text (in moon runes) for this phrase about the corpse of Jessica?

>>4395480
>2 years after his death
I meant it's 2 conferences after his death. I think the 1st conference was on the same year of his death.

>>4395486
The conference in which battler didn't turn up for was when he was dead & i think he died a few months before that.
So if i had to take a guess i'd say he died in march.

>>4395470
Kinzo died in early 1985, before the family conference that year, but after the family conference of 1984. So the year before last is 1984, and Kinzo would have been alive in April, but was dead by about one year later.

>>4395483
朱志香の死体 (for the discovery, all red)
死体の朱志香 (when Beatrice adds her in red, just after the　の )

>>4395496
Thanks, now I get it. The second phrase can't mean anything except "The dead body of Jessica who is no longer alive", but the first one really can mean "th corpse that belongs to Jessica" or even "the corpse that looks like Jessica".

>>4395104
what is this i dont even...

>>4395540
jessica vs onove, about the three choices
jessica has no problem to imagine personas
(persona=/=personality)

>>4395545
Way to many persona in Umineko.

>>4395551
no, MARIA was more like another personality, the witch personlaity of maria

>>4394932
whats the significance of this scene?i don't get it.can someone explain it to me?

>>4395551
>personality
>die

>>4395575
but this one died for real, it can't be ressurrected, it can change, but not ressurrect a la kanon in ep2

>>4395572
<see you again>

So what can be concluded from this findings?

>>4395629
Umineko is an unsolvable clusterfuck.

So..the adults are planning something but their plan was interrupted by the murders which i think personally, the cousins are responsible for.

>>4395637
it's just too difficult and with lots of red herrings

>>4395652
maybe, but the adults are more the extort money part (but Kyrie and rosa)

>>4395654

you dont have enough love

>>4395659
I have lots of love, but there are lots of red herrings that can make anyone on the island the culprit

>>4395659
The irony with this statement is, the only way to find the culprit is to ease up on the love faggotry. Not completely disregard it like Erika, but not have it like Battler, where you refuse to acknowledge that at least a few people are slaughtering everyone.

>>4395662

Stop think that solving Umineko means understanding everything perfectly. Aim for a number of possible truth that can be combined to make a number of whole answers.

>>4395672
I have some theories, ready to blame anyone, I can even work up a way to make X the culprit with some constant factors, but the thing is that I'll be wrong, surely

>>4395676
There can be an X culprit if we disregard Battler.I think Battler is not present in the real tragedy of Rokkenjima.

>>4395714
not culprit X, X as a person there, like Kinzo, this is an example, because i'm still doubting between 2-3 real culprits

>>4395722
>2-3 real culprits
who?

>>4394905
Good Lord. Thank God you're not at AɳoɳTalk.com.

>>4395511
Except that it was stated in red that there was no bodies outside of those used in the story, that Jessica was in the room and that no one is hiding.
That corpse was Jessica without a doubt, you really should stop with this closed room.

>>4395730
that's still a secret because i'm not too sure
for example, kyrie, as someone commented in this thread, really fits the role of THE manipulator, though she should be discovered easily in ep1 for some reason
her motives a re or economical or revenge for the whole baby thing
she's obvious, but would fit really well the culprit role

Well it's pretty obvious that Jessica is Beatrice and has something to do with all... also Nanjo is an idiot or at least an accomplice.
But why, WHY I cannot stop thinking the real culprit is Rosa?

Also, Genji, Kumasawa and Nanjo are not murderers, stated in red.

>>4395762
because of ep2 and her tea
just think someone is manipulating her into believing she's the culprit, she's not THAT brilliant either

ShKanontrice is the culprit, Nanjo, Genji, Kumasawa, Kyrie and Rosa are accomplices.
Though even if Kyrie and Rosa are accomplices, they don't know much.
Kyrie's fate is linked to Rudolf, if Beatrice decides to kill Rudolf then Kyrie die too.
Rosa's fate is linked to Maria's decision, if Rosa has been nice to Maria then Beatrice decides to allow her to live.

Genji follows some master plan that Kinzo made before dying, Nanjo do it because Beatrice promised some money to save his grand-daughter, Kumasawa think that she would live because ShKanontrice loves her.

>>4395776

>Kyrie's fate is linked to Rudolf, if Beatrice decides to kill Rudolf then Kyrie die too.

EP6. Go go.

>>4395778
They were killed by Erika you know.
Beatrice had nothing to do with it.

>>4395087
first i was like wut.
then i was like hoolllyyy shit.

>>4395392
>>4394932
Sounds like hideyoshi could be the missing father.

>>4395805
Hideyoshi x Eva x Rosa? I'm okay with this.

How to take Screenshot right from the game (not hitting printscreen)?

>>4395863
idk. its what I usually do.

>>4395805
It was mentioned in ep6 that Rosa's husband ran away from Japan and didn't respond to her letters and phone calls, and Rosa had to pay his enormous debts. That was the reason her company had financial problems. But even many years later she still believed that it was all a test of her strength and her husband should definitely return.

Jessica is Beatrice
Kanon is Kinzo
Shannon is an accomplice.
George is the mastermind.

HEAVEN OR HELL

>>4395924
>Shannon is Beatrice
>George is Kinzo
>The servants are accomplices
>Jessica is the mastermind

fixed for you

>>4395921
Rosa and Maria deserve a good end.

>>4395940
Previsible, boring and with poor foreshadowing.

>>4395924 is superior mindfuck ending

>>4395965
Replace Kanon with Battler then it will be one true mindfuck, silly.Kanon does not exist by the way.

>>4395970
Except he does.
Shkanon is unecessary and will be proven wrong in EP7. And then all people will rejoice.

>>4395972
ShKanon is necessary to solve most of the closed rooms, it also fits the narrative.
Enjoy your tears in episode 7.

>>4395977
Its not.
EP6 closed room was broken with Kinzo = Kanon theory.

And there's no other closed room that makes Shkanon ''necessary''.

>>4395977
I just hate that argument
jusy because it 'can' solve the closed rooms doesn't mean is the actual answer

>>4395980
It wasn't, only retards believe it was.
The problem with this closed room isn't how Kanon enters.
It's how he DISAPPEARS.
There is no hint whatsoever that Kanon could discard his identity and becomes "Kinzo" completely.

There are hints of a "battle for dominance" between Shannon and Kanon though.

You know, when I played EP6, I really saw no way around Shkannon, but it still bugged me. Because Ryukishi had said he wanted to keep everyone theorizing to the end. If he was so straightforward about it, wouldn't it contradict that?

But now I realize. He already knew that unless he said in red that "Kanon and Shannon share the same body," everyone would completely ignore the events of EP6.

It's brilliant.

>>4395980
>>Since he's confirmed not to exist, please exclude him
Oh and Kinzo's name was excluded, Erika made sure of it.
" All names refer only to the actual people!" in red.

Quick!Post screenshots to confirm or deny Shkannon!

>>4396008

>>4395992
Except for the fact that DID doesnt work that way.
People CANT discard personalitys, people cant KILL personalitys, A PERSONA CANT COUNT AS DEAD PEOPLE.

Kanon existance outside the room is broken with Kinzo-kanon FAR more effectively than with Shkanon.

Also note that in the end there are 17 people on the island, if Kanon simply disappears, this could point for the master loophole to end all loopholes and he/or his corpse could just somehow left the island.

>>4396004
By this logic Shkanon couldnt exist.

>>4396013
>>Except for the fact that DID doesnt work that way.
In Umineko it does.

>>Kanon existance outside the room is broken with Kinzo-kanon FAR more effectively than with Shkanon.
The problem is that Kanon completely DISAPPEARS from the room.
He would have to have DID with his other personality being Kinzo for your theory to work.

And nobody could have left the island, everyone position was stated in red.

>>4396020
Not really considering that Shannon and Kanon are the same person to begin with.

>>4396025
If Kanon disappeared how his position was confirmed in red?

Also you have no fucking proof that DID works that way in Umineko, its just your (bad) theory and interpretation of events that could mean millions of things.

>>4396030
Eva-Beatrice basically implies that the "personality can take over one body and change the name" can work there.
Oh and the love duel, etc...
You are the one who has no proof whatsoever.

And Kanon's position was stated to be in the room and then he disappeared.
But the person he "became" must still be in the room considering that Erika closed the room when she entered.
So yeah his position is fixed.

Not to derail the Shkanon discussion, but just a question about Episode 2's red text - regarding the chapel key.
[referring to the key]
>That which was inside the envelope I entrusted Maria with, was definitely the key to the chapel
>The 'letter' that I handed over to Maria and the one Rosa opened are the same thing

The letter and the envelope aren't necessarily the same thing, right?

>>4396042
Except she could only be implying that ''Jessica have a different personality'' or that '''she commited murder'' with theoryshipper-goggles you can see everything everywhere.

I dont need proof, i just need to put yours so called ''proofs'' in check. Im not trying to prove anything, just that your theory is just that, a theory, and a lame and boring one copied from the japs.

>>4396057
Stop being a retard and look at Eva-Beatrice comment with a broader view.
It's not about Jessica, this is about how it works in general.
Eva-Beatrice states: "no matter what kind of personality she was possessed by".

It implies that possession by another personality can happen on Rokkenjima, and it can also change your "name".
That's all.

>>4396063
Yes, and because beato didnt deny small bombs it means that they are what is killing everyone in the island.

>>4396083
Explosion happens for sure, most likely a bomb, so yeah it's a good clue.
She probably couldn't deny that explosives can be used for the murders in Rokkenjima

Not trying to favour any of those theories, but isn't Kanon just his name as a servant?
Doesn't that mean he can easily discard his name just by resigning or something?

>>4396098
Are you a troll or just plain stupid?

>>4396114
All names refer only to the actual people!

Problem is that it was stated that "everyone else" was in the cousins room.
So Kanon has to be either Shannon, George, Kumasawa, Hideyoshi and Nanjo.

>>4396114
Discard maybe, kill not.

Also it would be ALMOST as forced as personas conveniently dying.

Jesus fucking christ.seriously you guys can choose whatever you want to believe in Shkannon, Jessitrice or whatever trice but what is THE MASTERMIND/FINAL BOSS in your mind?Just because Shkannon/Jessitrice/etc commit murders doesn't mean they would be the mastermind you know..

>>4396136
Everyone else- EXCLUDING KINZO

>>4396144
George

[/thread]

>>4396127
Actually I do think I'm smarter than you.
Explosion happens for sure, if it's a bomb then Beato would have to have been awfully specific to deny that it killed the people in the chapel.
Simply because bombs are at wok somewhere else on the island.

It's just a case of not showing your deck when the game isn't worth it, she did it in episode 3 as well.
By giving him the win there with his crappy theory, she avoided giving him hints of a larger truth.

>>4396147
Kinzo was fucking excluded by Erika, read the red text more carefully.
He can't work there, he was excluded from this whole closed room.

>>4396144
Kyrie, she's just tha awesome

>>4396136
That's cool, but I wasn't referring to that.
>>4396140
It was said that Kanon didn't exist in the room, not that he was killed.
And maybe it isn't that strange if you look at it this way (with theory goggles, that is), it was said quite a few times that the servants with the one-winged eagle must obey all members of the Ushiromiya family, not only Kinzo. So maybe, just Battler's presence is enough for a servant to resign.

>>4396155
Its good that you think you are smarter than someone. Sometimes self confidence is good.

But you are wrong.

She could just have said that the killer was in the room, just like Lambda did.

Or she could just deny death by belly explosion.

Or she could deny that they eated something strange.

Or she could deny SO MANY THINGS THAT WOULDNT MAKE A FUCKING DIFFERENCE

And yet, she didnt deny it, why? Learn to context and not to overthink useless shit.

>>4396012
How this confirm/deny Shkannon exactly?

>>4396179
Once again, she could have given him hints.
"Could" is the key word here, yeah she could have denied it easily but what if Battler realized some discrepancy in her statement and pressed on?

Like Beatrice states "for the people in the chapel, no explosives were at work or killed anyone" or something like this.
Battler see this and think "it didn't work for the people of the chapel but why didn't she completely deny it for everyone on the island?".

Is it worth it for Beatrice ? No, that's why she passed on.
And considering that Bomb has pretty much been confirmed, I don't see how it's overanalyzing it.

>>4396200
Theoryshipper-goggles, ignore them.

>>4396203
Except bomb isnt confirmed, boiler room explosion is much more likely and plausible.

Also your example is stupid, there was no need to even talk about explosions in general.

>>4396203
Not the same guy you're replying to, but isn't it much more dangerous to let Battler get away with his theory?
I mean, it's so ridiculous even Battler himself admits it. We all know that Battler is incompetent, but not suspecting anything after a theory which clearly was impossible worked?

Shannon = Kanon PR00F

Hey guys, want to know a fun fact?

Witch Hunt made a pretty big wording problem with the red in Ep4.

"All five master keys were discovered, each in the pocket of one of the servants! "

Is not actually how it's read in Japanese.

It's "All five master keys were discovered, each in the pocket of the five servants!"

"No one can claim Kanon's name but the original person!"

Your shitty ShKanon theory is dead. Stop talking about it.

>>4396236
no body?

>>4396239
>"No one can claim Kanon's name but the original person!"
KANON CAN STILL USE THE NAME SHANNON
WE HAVE BEEN OVER THIS HUNDREDS OF FUCKING TIMES GOD DAMN

>>4396236
Kanon and Shannon are two different GIRLS.

There, its solved.

>>4396224
Boiler explosion has to happen in every games no matter what, if it does then how is it different compared to a bomb?

And if she had avoided talking about explosion in general, Battler would have found it strange as well.
Like "why is she side stepping my statement about bombs?".
It's a question of "what if", Beatrice preferred not to take any risks.
It's not the same thing something like this happened.

>>4396227
No, because the small bomb theory by itself is fucking retarded.
It's a psychological trick, by giving him the win so easily with this shitty theory, Battler himself think that Beatrice just gave up seeing how stupid it was, therefore he doesn't look deeper into this.

>>4396254
that should be a,lso forbidden, if no one but kanon can use his name, no one but shannon should be able to use it
it's not red, but it's just fairness

>>4396236
Kanon has no game

>>4396144
Kyrie because she is just plain awesome.
Evil Jessica would be interesting too.

>>4396239
5 servants doesn't mean 5 bodies you know.
And the red text about Kanon doesn't work if Shannon and Kanon are the same person to begin with.

>>4396261
>Battler himself think that Beatrice just gave up seeing how stupid it was
I guess all that talk about "I too won't run or hide anymore" was meaningless.

>>4396264
>fairness
NO FAIR
IN OTHER WORDS IT IS NOT MYSTERY
BUT IT HAPPENS
ALL IT HAPPENS
LET IT HAPPENS

>>4396261
Its different because its not a fucking time bomb.
There are no explosives, just gas and shit, its something easy to set a igniter, has fucking tons of foreshadowing and eliminates the epitaph BOMB theory, because, well ITS NOT A BOMB.

Also, there is no proof that the so called explosion happens in every episode, you know, we cant see the future of every episode.

As for your theory about small bombs...please, stop writing, you are just making yourself look more stupid

>>4396278
>Presenting random lines from an unused opening as evidence
...

>>4396288
Explosion has to happen in every episode.
And I don't see why it couldn't be a bomb, Kinzo could easily set it up.

# No one escapes, all die.

>>4396288
i am pretty sure it is a time bomb.

For the record, I read a boiler room explosion is enough to level a house.

Not sure about a mansion, though.

>>4396288
Time bomb would fit the whole CLOCK TICKING that is so prevalent in Umineko.
Also how the game ends at midnight of the second game.

>>4396278
which episode this LET IT HAPPENS line came from?

>>4396288
>Also, there is no proof that the so called explosion happens in every episode, you know, we cant see the future of every episode.
When the time runs out, I will win. Please do not misunderstand that.

>>4396293
Used in the Ep5 art book as wel

>>4396296
There is no foreshadowing for a bomb anywhere in the game.

Boiler explosion has tons and tons of foreshadowing.

Do the math.

>>4396278
soory, but in umienko is that kind of thing is what you call 'love' between the author and the reader, one of the central themes in ep6
this trust allows you to say things like, for example, no one comes to the island after people start dying, because it would betray the trust, the same with the Shannon and kanon names, if it's applied to Knaon, it's applied to Shannon

>>4396314
see: >>4396293

>>4396316
Killing + suicide. There is no need for a time bomb, though the theory of the boiler explosion IS interesting.

>>4396318
Boiler explosion has no foreshadowing I can remember.
We know that Kinzo had deals with the army and that he worked in the mining business.
Both of these could easily give him access to bombs.

There's also the epitaph.

>>4396323
>if it's applied to Knaon, it's applied to Shannon
You're stupid, just because you say something about one person doesn't mean it applies to an entirely different person, you're implying they're the same person while denying they are.

>>4396334

>>>4395265

>>4396339
That's just them smelling Kinzo's corpse burning.

>>4396344
>Boiler explosion has no foreshadowing
>Both of them had witnessed problems with the boiler on several occasions

But how does one predict that the boiler would explode?

>>4396334
In every episode the servants notice that there is something strange in the boiler room, its said that there were problems there before.

A strong smell starts filling all the mansion after a while, generally Kinzo's corpse is discovered because of that.

By the second day (see ep3) its almost unbearable to go to the boiler room because of the smell.

And then by the end of the last day there is a explosion.

Compared to something as fragile as a INTERPRETATION of the epitaph, the boiler room explosion is way stronger.

>>4396351
Problem with the boiler =/= explosion that happen at the end of the second day and level everything destroying all the corpses throughly.

Also pretty much everyone came close to the boiler when they found Kinzo's corpse, they would have seen if something weird was going on.

>>4396344
I think its funny that Kinzo's corpse continues burning even before they turn off the flames

I think bomb make more sense if using Taiwan Theory.

http://pastebin.ca/1798316

>>4396362
How do you see gas?
You just smell it.

Also Kinzo's corpse could just have been there as a obvious distraction for the leak.

>>4396361
Gaz has a pretty obvious odor you know, they would have known if this was the smell that came from the boiler room.

>>4396379
You mean that they wouldn't have realized that they were smelling gas?
Seriously?
Even a child know how it smell and how dangerous it is.

>>4396387
not all dangerous gases actually have any odur.
Natural Gas doesn't normally but they add sulfur to make it stink

>>4396387
Not when its odor is mixed with something else, like burned corpse.

Also you cant deny that the taiwan theory isnt even proved yet. Even more the BOMB part.

People just dont like to argue about it because they are too busy making shkanontrice x jessitrice threads

>>4396362
So you need them to blatantly say IT'S GONNA BLOW for it to count as foreshadowing for you or something? It fucking says they've seen boiler problems several times, and generally when shit blows up that isn't supposed to there has to have problems with it.

>>4396402
Thank you for agreeing that they were smelling a burnt corpse then.
Oh and no corpse burned in episode 2, and nothing weird with the boiler room was going on but everything point to an explosion happening

And Taiwan is the strongest theory about the epitaph for now, not that we could argue against or for it considering it uses lots of kanji faggotry only a native speaker could understand.

quick whats taiwan theory?

>>4396413
A burnt corpse can smell from the start, but it wouldnt continue to propaguate like that for a whole day after the fire is set off.

Also even if we cant argue with the taiwan theory because of the kanjis doesnt mean its the truth.

>>4396423
http://pastebin.ca/1798316

Uh, with the burnt body, I think someone is doing it personally, I don't think it's the bomb going on or off.(though I do think there is a bomb)
I blame Jessica.

>>4396413
All the servants werent with Battler and Rosa all the time, so even if there was something wrong with the boiler room Battler wouldnt know holed up in a fucking room all the time.

Also ep2 is possible without a explosion, there's no proof that something like that ocurred in ep2, and well, ep2 itself is fucking strange in many ways

Could the bomb have been set by Sumadera Kasumi?

Something else I noticed (and this is probably a stretch, so...): When Kanon killed some of the goats in the anime, one of them grunted. It was the same sound one of the Sumadera goons made when Ange knocked her way past him.

It's probably just a coincidence, but maybe it isn't.

>>4396449
gb2 animesuki

>>4396456
why so pretentious?

>>4396429
thanks

>>4396447
Please, the end of episode 2 basically screams EXPLOSION.
Rosa and Maria running to the beach, Battler being "devoured", etc...

I'm really curious as to where Kinzo's corpse was hidden. It can't be in the boiler room the entire time, that's a horrible environment to store a body. Didn't Erika search the entire mansion for Kinzo in ep.5?

>>4396449
i wouldn't put it past Ryukishi but using that grunting sound as reason kinda pushing it.

>>4396492
interpretations =/= truth

>>4396492
and then the bodies were in pieces.sound like a bomb to me.

>>4396494
>Didn't Erika search the entire mansion for Kinzo in ep.5?
I doubt so. That scene was fucking horrible and Erika wass pulling theories out of her ass.
>I've concluded that Kinzo could only exist in your bed.
Come on. This was very, very retarded.

>>4396544
She was trolling with the bed thing, by denying every other area before her bed. But she did search the mansion for Kinzo.

>>4396236
It's suppose to be 'love'. Says so later.

>>4395310

i don't get this, why there's rosa instead Kyrie?

>>4396736
Kyrosa.

>>4396573
Yeah, but she also claimed to have searched outside the mansion, conluding that Kinzo wasn't outside the mansion, and somehow not finding Kuwadorian.

>>4395310
is this during the scenes flashing time in EP5 where Battler realized the truth?

>>4396857
hurr durr

I think that I actually like the bomb theory now. This thread, of all threads, actually persuaded me.

>>4396850
Well, if it says the 'I knew' part, I'd assume so.

Actually, has anybody compiled a list of the scenes that flash by during that part? I vaguely recall Kanon wanking on about being the 'zero on (your) roulette', but that's about it.

>>4396968
bomb is stupid, exploding boiler version is better

>>4396987
Well, yeah. That's what I meant.

Did someone has the screen about Battler, Jessica,etc saying they lost themself in the forest 6 years ago?

I'd rather have bomb vs. boiler than Shkannontrice vs. Moon-chan.

>>4397523
Well, buck up, that's not going to happen.
Shkanontrice and Moon-chan will continue to fight for all of eternity, kinda like in Killer7.

>>4397008
oh sorry, some people believe there's an actual bomb

>>4397523
Both will be neverending battles.

We're getting core arcs, not answer arcs.

>>4395299
>Six years ago
>How many years has it been?
Fucking stupid.

Shkanonfags, get over with it.
Kanon is his servant name. He may resign of it at any time. But nobody else can take that name because of the red.

>>4397265

>>4397758
Nothing stopping Kanon from using the name Shannon.

>>4397523
I'd rather have bomb vs boiler vs wolf.

Since, you know, the wolf story was established on the island before the witch story. And it fits the description of them appearing to have been eaten, and why Rosa couldn't just stop at the beach when running away, but told Maria that they had to swim, etc.

>>4397768
Correct, but Shannon could still be seem alive when it was stated thath Kanon had beend killed in Jessica's room.

>>4397787
Curious, I thought I was the only one to think about wolves...
However in Japan wolves are extinct since centuries ago, if I don't recall bad...
but well we have to say that Rokkenjima is an isolated island.

Also: boiler is plausible, bomb is acceptable... what about typhoon?

>>4397914
the problem with wolves is EvaB's red about animals, the boiler is still a human agent since someone makes it explode, animals are forbidden
The typhoon wouldn't leave blood traces nor a jaw by the place

>>4395310
oh. shit.

Compared to all the Umineko threads before, this one is fucking stupid.
Where is the Erika and Ronove 'red truth about the corpses' thingy combined with Jessica's corpse from E2, that blows people's mind, or stuff or such sorts?

>>4395310
This is really the most interesting screenshot in this thread, but I have no idea what to make of it

Kyrosa doesn't have enough foreshadowing, but I want some more theories with this. Is it just a sprite slip up? Or something else?

>>4398037

these things arent the topic here

>>4398110

I can't make anything of it either, but I doubt it is a sprite slip-up. That would mean they messed up twice since Battler has different expressions.

>>4398110
EP2 hints about Rosa and Kyrie being in contact frequently... and in their meets they end talking about 'weird things'.

>>4398110
>>4398122
by that time, it's like the 5th re-run, some scenes that are repeated, we don't even see them
in one ep it was Kyrie, in the next Rosa, just repeated things with different characters, shich are bound to happen by repetition

>>4397942
You are completely right.
Now, for something diferent: end of ep.1 some people are told as "killed during.. and so on" and someone missing.
We know from ep. 4 that all died, or at least almost all.
But can we be sure that this applies to all the games with the exception of that one time with Eva?

There are three things that make me think: 1 maria's letter at the end of ep. 1
2 nanjo's son and nanjo in general
3 the bank accounts.

The bank accounts show us that something was premeditated from the start (or at least this I believe... a reparation act so complicated seems not plausible), and it's difficult to think that someone who calculated all of this couldn't think of a clear way to escape the island. However the typhoon plays against me, the culprit and this theory since it was unexpected.

But the letter? this is something that I clearly don't understand. Was Maria allive? how? (if the writer was Maria).
Here's my bet: the culprit thought of escape alive and faking his death. He asked Nanjo to make some dental fakes to create the illusion of a death.
The only one who could think about Maria too was Rosa.
However I recognize that there are several faults in the theory. At first why to carry Maria with her, for example.

>>4398204

What makes you think the culprit WANTS to escape?

>>4398457
the gold.

Jessica/Beatrice (if theory is true) wouldn't give a shit about money, but, even if the culprit was she, she couldn't do all that mess alone. Someone else had to kill sometimes.

the mastermind is someone who likes cash.

>>4398484

Why would that be, when the whole thing is orchestrated to say otherwise?

(The epitaph, the murders always leaving Battler out until the end, etc)

At the very least, it's not for gold.

And what makes you think that there's only one culprit?

>>4396236
I totally read this as Kanon has no dick

>>4395087
That has to be the most obvious hint ever. 'The corpse' being outside of red and all.

>>4398130
see
>>4395239
I think i misunderstood it, instead of saying "we"(as in Kyrie & Rosa) she's talking about the whole conference & saying that Kyrie & Rosa with daughter should talk more.

>>4396857

funny, but i think, that thought is retarded