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A place for discussion of the great works by Kinoko Nasu / TYPE-MOON.

>Type-Moon Visual Novel Collection (Japanese)
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1tyCb9CZR_bh6ZyvK8N1v3HU0GhG6aTZe

>Mahoutsukai no Yoru
Mahoutsukai no Yoru:
https://nyaa.si/view/1611543
Mahoutsukai no Yoru PC:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/177wSYqWfOpH_4AsGzY27sZOs8y84GWa9
PC English Patch (Partial Translation):
https://mega.nz/folder/dBkXjbaa#e3rJvGTb9PT7TFVwjk-2ww
An Adventure of First Love (Mahoutsukai no Yoru complementary short story):
https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/8887-An-Adventure-of-First-Love-%28Mahoutsukai-no-Yoru-Short-Story%29-Translation

>Kara no Kyoukai
Kara no Kyoukai Light Novels (Japanese):
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/shousetu/b/奈須きのこ_空の境界/index.html
Kara no Kyoukai Light Novels (English):
https://nyaa.si/view/1414316
Kara no Kyoukai Animated Films:
https://nyaa.si/view/264295
Kara no Kyoukai Manga:
https://nyaa.si/view/1187963

>Tsukihime
Tsukihime VN Collection:
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/3874450
Shingetsutan Tsukihime Manga:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1cC2cl1r46qDxKLQ6SJ2ss2V0JS8ihlpn

>Tsukihime Remake
Tsukihime Remake:
https://pastebin.com/QSz8A5Jf
English Patch:
https://tsukihimates.com

>Melty Blood
Melty Blood PC Collection:
https://nyaa.si/view/1042489
Melty Blood Manga:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qfSckM1X-oLSl8DPCk9GqOydRRH5UjEq
Melty Blood - Back Alley Alliance Nightmare Manga:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16jgRv-WneCDBF324U_MFsuguPFTt2J0S
Melty Blood - Type Lumina:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1372280/MELTY_BLOOD_TYPE_LUMINA/
Melty Blood - Type Lumina Community Translation Patch:
https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/9302-Melty-Blood-Type-Lumina-Community-Translation-Patch

>Fate
Fate/Stay Night [Réalta Nua] Ultimate Edition:
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/3860991
https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/9101-Fate-Stay-Night-Realta-Nua-Ultimate-Edition-2022
Fate/Hollow Ataraxia:
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2575055
https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/7705-Fate-Hollow-Ataraxia-Voice-Patch
Fate/Spinoffs:
https://pastebin.com/Vgy14rSK

>Other Type-Moon Works
Angel Voice / Notes:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7899136/1/Notes-The-Legend-of-the-Gun-God
Fire Girl:
https://firegirlthetranslation.wordpress.com
Mahou Tsukai no Hako: Starlit Marmalade Manga:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/y68oxcrmg8i6k/Sutamamo
Tsuki no Sango:
https://www.mediafire.com/?uq1eqhccbxhxktx
Tsuki no Sango Manga:
https://mangadex.org/chapter/773842/1
Haru to Tsuki to Sora to:
https://mega.nz/file/xlVwGY4K#170GaRCpftfOJXtBjbF1BYu3cNUaiM6aOJLWEkhLyKs
Clock Tower 2015:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UnWI7x2XpL8PFE9OuGDjY8qJ0nW7WsVm/view?usp=sharing

>Type-Moon Miscellaneous
Encyclopedia of Type-Moon:
https://mega.nz/folder/oM8EhIjQ#IAVmHGdLnalCs0B5mRhzRQ
Type-Moon Comic Ace:
https://web-ace.jp/tmca
TMdict Glossary:
https://www.tmdict.com
Tsuki-kan (comprehensive record of real-world statements, interviews, Q&As, feature articles, etc):
https://www.tsukikan.com
Tsukihime Archives:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NBqMPjBkGiNk9vIgOtPyjNnpxeH5fmHI
Tsukihime Tokuhon:
https://exhentai.org/g/82076/173f6680ef

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>> No.43917284

>>43917245
Why is she sitting like that?

>> No.43917286

For me it's Akiha

>> No.43917292
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>>43917286
Akiha +10

>> No.43917298

>>43917292
Why is your Akiha about the same weight of two of my akihas?

>> No.43917305

>>43917298
Oooh, is this the part where you flatfags gaslight titty enjoyers that they're fatfags? I love this part!

>> No.43917309

>>43917305
If the glove fits....

>> No.43917321

>>43917245
delete this picture of someone who looks like akiha-sama, right now!
she would never!

>> No.43917402
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Little imoutofuck
It's a shame that luck isn't better, babe
Did you like the fun
Did you like the times that I promised you
Open wounds on your breast
Little angel in red
She isn't loving you anymore
Little imoutofuck
I see you going down on a fireplug
Little imoutofuck
Size for everyone
Let those bastards believe
Dry your eyes and we'll leave
She isn't loving you anymore
Little imoutofuck
I see you going down on a fireplug
Oh, little imoutofuck
Size for everyone
Let those bastards believe
Dry your eyes and we'll leave
She isn't loving you anymore

>> No.43917437

>>43917402
fat ass but flat chest akiha is the best akiha

>> No.43917457

>>43917437
The bigger the cushion the better the pushin'

>> No.43917474

>>43917305
Somebody post that screenshot where Shiki tries to make Akiha feel better about her body when she's being insecure by calling Arc a fatty.

>> No.43917503

Didn’t expect to see art of Ayako’s brother being cucked in 2023 https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/109586091#manga

>> No.43917508

Just give Akiha an ultimatum. If you don't want me to have sexual intercourse with blondie, frenchie and school friendie you need to spread your legs every night. Also dress up like a slut.

>> No.43917529

>>43917508
>Also dress up like a slut.
examples

>> No.43917552
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>>43917508
>Also dress up like a slut.
had me up until here. akiha is at her best when she dresses like a classy lady

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>>43917402

>> No.43917590

>>43917564
Takeuchi going overboard with his stupid big ribbons again. It’s FGOshit so par for the course.

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>> No.43918106

So is Kouma basically Akiha's mafia enforcer?

>> No.43918146
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Miyako is a far better sexual partner than Akiha

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>>43890121
He does.
He just only uses it during schizo episodes and when Len is fantasizing

>> No.43918887

>>43917245
So why doesn't Akiha trigger Shiki's murderous tendencies if she's supposed to have the strongest hybrid blood in the entire family?

>> No.43918905

>>43918887
anon... it's time to re-read tsukihime again.

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/a/ has been pretty funny about this.

>> No.43919048

>>43917245
delicious akiha thighs

>> No.43919270

Hypothetically, if Shiki needs to have sex with multiple girls in order to live a long snd healthy life and Akiha is his waifu, which girls would she actually approve of? I can see Satsuki and potentially Ciel because they are good sensible girls with some fixable brain damage. Kohaku, Noel and Arc are beyond redemption (from her PoV), and Hisui is too pure.

>> No.43919277

>>43917696
/jp/ told me for 2 years this isn't what happened except it totally is...

>> No.43919571
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>>43917474
Literally Akihas fanfic

>> No.43919586

>>43919571
This.
Akiha and Shiki's relationship is actually about domination loss and insulting her flat chest, saying how she looks like a boy.

>> No.43919587

>>43919571
She's not wrong though

>> No.43919674

>>43919587
t. Akiha

>> No.43919691

I would lick shirou’s feet

>> No.43919787

>>43919691
Same. Japanese don’t have smelly feet or smelly anything really. Superior genes.

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>>43919270
If it's to save his life? Literally everyone including her friends from school. Akiha have cuckquean mindset

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>>43919270
dont forget the tohno has a new family member now

>> No.43920214
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>>43919571
>getting mogged this hard by the “””fatso”””
The absolute state of Akiha

>> No.43920268
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>> No.43920296

>>43919853
I need art of Shiki x Ushi.

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>> No.43920343

>>43920214
Arc will never be a woman.
"she" is a filthy vampire

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>> No.43920385

>>43920343
I wonder who could be behind this post.

>> No.43920400
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>>43920385

>> No.43920429

>>43920214
Is that Saber way in the back and Sacchin standing up by the pole?

>> No.43920467

>>43920343
Filthy curry hands typed this
>>43920400
OOC. Nanaya literally almost came at the thought of raping her and killing her

>> No.43920504
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Fucking Akiha doggy while she french kisses Arc.

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>>43920343
what is arcueid appeal anyway? i had to waste over 700$ in the gacha, and i'm forced to use her because she is op. she is not even cute

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>>43920515
oh and i forgot to mention, this bitch cant stop talking about her boyfriend

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>> No.43920594

>>43920515
>i had to waste over 700$ in the gacha
HAHAHAHAHAHA
*WHEEZE*
HAAAAAHHAHAHA

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>> No.43920664

>>43920515
>i had to waste over 700$ in the gacha
the absolute state

>> No.43920685

I forget, is SHIKI technically not a vampire until Roa takes over?

>> No.43920713

>>43920685
It's not either one or the other. Roa's vampirization is a gradient, as demonstrated by partially vampirized Shiki in Ciel's route.

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>>43920594
>>43920664
why are you guys making fun of me? i'm literally funding ur shitty VN

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>>43920685
I wonder how his design is going to look in Red Garden.

>> No.43920839
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43920839

>>43920825
Probably this. They'll cannibalize the old Roa design for him to show how wildly crazy he is

>> No.43920870

>>43920825
>>43920839
Roa is so much better than SHIKI it's not even funny.

>> No.43920878

>>43920870
Wacky woohoo vampireman > UUUUOOHHHHHH AKIHA EROTIC

>> No.43920926

>>43920870
Because he got fuck all development in the original, just like Roa. Hopefully Far Side fixes that.

>> No.43920937

>>43920839
Nah I doubt it. It'll be a completely different look.

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Needs moar Dr. boobs.

>> No.43921143

>>43921122
Such a good theme song

>> No.43921682
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Is Laurentis/Mario the highest authority within the Church? If he is the only one with access to the magecraft secrets safeguarded by the Church then it seems like that could be the case.
Ciel Normal also does imply Mario is aging in reverse with him telling Shiki they won't meet again, but he'll get to meet his little brother instead. With Shiki wondering if the one who met Ciel in the past was actually his older brother.

>> No.43921724

>>43920526
See, Arc and Ciel are both shit, but at least Arc can look nice occasionally. I've never seen a good pic of Ciel

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>>43921724
I vastly prefer Arc but Ciel in her executor outfit is way more aesthetic.

>> No.43921809

>>43921682
That would be the pope but apparently Laurentis is tipped to be the next pope and considering his role in Extra worlds and how little we actually know about the pope in TM, he's probably more or less number one.

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>>43921749
Still not as aesthetic as Arc's heat resistant and princess outfit.

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>>43921826
please never post this modern Takeuchi abomination ever again, thank you.

>> No.43921840

>>43920515
She can be your engle or your davil. She also has great bantz with Shiki constantly.

>> No.43921841

>>43921809
>role in Extra worlds
Do you mean the role of the pope in Extra worlds or Laurentis? I don't remember either being mentioned but I'm probably wrong so please elaborate a bit more on that.
And yeah, he does seem like the highest authority. Even Arc knew about him.

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>>43921833
Cry more.

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>>43920214

>> No.43922013

>>43921841
In Extra the world is mentioned to be controlled by Leo's family and Cardinal Laurentis.

>> No.43922033

>>43922013
Huh, that's pretty interesting. Thanks.
I had no idea he was such a major behind the scenes player.

>> No.43922059

>>43920214
>black hairband on black hair
i will never understand this design change

>> No.43922190

sex with akiha

>> No.43922228

>>43922059
It's realistic

>> No.43922234

gentlemen, i have successfully created an akiha tulpa

>> No.43922262

>>43922234
SHIKI pls

>> No.43922298

>>43922228
i dont care. it doesnt look as nice.

>> No.43922322

>>43922298
Akiha doesn't need a hairband anyways. Takeuchi doesn't draw her with visible hair flaps or with an exposed forehead, so presumably her hair looks the same with the hairband on or off.

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Shiki "Slurp" Tohno

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>>43921724
Really?

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Who is the biggest winner in remake?

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All the sections where characters talk about mobile phones and you can suddenly feel Nasu override the characters so he can personally share his thoughts are the funniest shit in the remake

>> No.43922650

>>43921682
>Mario is aging in reverse with him telling Shiki they won't meet again, but he'll get to meet his little brother instead
didn't actually catch that one. Is Mario pretty much confirmed as Laurentis himself or are they actually different people?

>> No.43922661

>>43922639
its funny that for all that talk of modernizing the game to bring it to the 2020s, the biggest thing were a couple comments about shiki's phone.

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>>43922298
It looks fine. It will look great with red hair though. That's a good change

>> No.43922711

I've never felt so exhausted after finishing a VN. The remake is unnecessarily long. It has the same basic story as the original with some changes. It just wasn't designed for such length, not enough stuff going on. There's new content but also a lot of empty text. I'm physically tired, almost as much as Shiki.

>> No.43922717

>>43922711
t. zoomer after reading a book for the first time

>> No.43922733

>>43922717
A book's size doesn't matter as long as it's well written.

>> No.43922740

>>43922711
It's opposite for me. I actually want more especially for continuation of Arc route but Shiki the Executor or half vampire Ciel lover is fine too

>> No.43922744

>>43922694
she typically wears a different dress for vermillion so i dont know why they didnt keep the white for the non-vermillion dress

>> No.43922749

>>43922711
>but also a lot of empty text
such as?

>> No.43922764

>>43922711
I felt like this after reading Arc's route because it felt like it was all for nothing.

>> No.43922831

>>43922711
Really? I actually found it short. I've read it three times by now.

>> No.43922867

>>43922711
I was perfectly fine up until the true ciel final fight. That part felt way too drawn out

>> No.43922897

>>43922711
>It has the same basic story as the original with some changes

Ciel route got a big improvement from the 2000 Tsukihime Arcuied Route stayed the same for the most part outside of Vlov taking Nero place as the mini boss

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>>43922867
Arche type earth

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>>43922749
For example, characters repeat things we already know. Yes, Shiki, you love Arc and want to help the senpai. It's not new information.

>> No.43922934

>>43922867
>>43922908
That was just kino. I want to see the details on the ritual in France. Arc fighting all DAA and Altrouge showing up.

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>>43922733
Tsukihime 85 points
Mahoyo 85 points
Tsukihime remake (2 routes) 88 points
Fate Stay Night 90 points

Tsukihime remake win

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>>43922897
I'd have kicked Arc out of the curry route entirely and replaced with more Noel.

>> No.43922977

>>43922908
and i remember people calling me a doomer when i said that they were going to add way too much power level shit to the remake.

>> No.43922990

>>43922933
what a retarded example. do you expect a story, and characters to provide you with new information in every single dialogues?

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>>43922971
I can say that again. We want more romance between Ciel and Noel

>> No.43923028

>>43922990
What separates great writing from the rest? Brevity.

>> No.43923032

>>43923004
Someone TL this comic

>> No.43923038

>>43923004
Well, good fucking would've solved all her problems.

>> No.43923075

>>43922977
It makes perfect sense to showcase Arc that way. She is a big deal.

>> No.43923081

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e86WCM3u_xA

>> No.43923099

is there sex in ciel route

>> No.43923104

>>43922977
And I constantly told that it made no sense as a complaint because everyone was objectively underpowered in the original.

>> No.43923111

>>43923075
>>43923104
i dont really care about what "makes sense" in the context of a high school vampire story, it was frankly embarrassing to read and made me seriously doubt that Nasu could handle Far Side without making it a retarded power wank fest.

>> No.43923112

>>43923099
The psycho rapes Kohaku-san, apparently.

>> No.43923113

>>43923099
Yes 3 kiss scenes 1 sex scene. But no CGs

>> No.43923115

>>43923099
Implied with fade to black after Ciel went to take a shower

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>>43923111
>Nasu could handle Far Side without making it a retarded power wank fest
Dr. Arach
Saiki Goto
Satsuki route

Dont play remake

>> No.43923123

>>43923111
So basically chuuni power A is good but chuuni power B is bad because it just is. Wonderful, compelling reasoning.

>> No.43923135

>>43923112
That was in og. In remake there's kino scene where he literally fight against his own body. Bite off his tongue and brake his jaw so Roa won't bite her and stabs his hand over and over so he won't choke her to death

>> No.43923152

>>43923123
Not that anon but my favorite parts happen inside the mansion.

>> No.43923162

>>43923135
I firmly believe he also raped her, at least when murdered everyone.

>> No.43923164

>>43917321
are you a prude

>> No.43923172
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>>43923028
great writing

>> No.43923173

>>43923162
That's a bad end when Roa is in full control. Kohaku is dead and the Dead

>> No.43923179

>>43923122
is that supposed to convince me? doctor boobs and a mummy?

>>43923123
>you slightly enjoyed a more reserved chuuni powerfest so that means you have to enjoy Arc glassing a city
>you also have to accept the same happening to a story that had very little chuuni powerfest in it.
The best parts of Far Side was the Tohno family drama, not Akiha melting a school.

>> No.43923190

>>43923172
This scene was good, can't argue.

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>>43923179
The best parts of Tsukihime was the Senpai and Sensei drama

>> No.43923204

>>43923179
This is still just a "powers in a supernatural setting are just bad OK?" post.

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>>43923172
Peak Kinoko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiF4ImsPtv4

>> No.43923224

>>43923179
>it's bad because it just is ok?
Whatever you say anon.
Personally I can't wait for Arc vs Altrouge where they fight in their own personal dimension and destroy stars and create supernovas as a side effect.

>> No.43923227

>>43923204
im getting the feeling that you havent actually played Tsukihime

>> No.43923233

>>43923219
He wasn't lying. She even dies and he still ditches his imouto he felt terrible about abandoning the first time to be with her corpse.

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>>43923224
oh boy, more generic powerwank fest, my favorite.

>> No.43923244

>>43923227
You mean that game where an anemic school boy solos hundreds of demon beasts from pure chaos? Yeah, cool shit. I get the feeling you can't actually articulate anything meaningful are just in the "new = bad" trap.

>> No.43923248

i cant wait for red garden i want akiha sex NOW

>> No.43923251

>>43923111
the remake near side already managed to set up the foundation for the far side infinitely better than the original. the amount of new mysteries layered through the remake, and the fact that readers are still discussing, finding new theories speaks for itself. but sure keep pretending tsukihime got turned into a pure-action visual novel over one ending meant to have one of the strongest identity in the verse as major focus.

>> No.43923252

I'm reading Tsukihime and got to this fight with a guy with 666 beasts in his body or some stupid shit who just levelled a hotel. Fuck modern Nasu powerlevel bullshit.

>> No.43923258

Shiki vs Roa was cooler than Ciel True.

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>>43923251
i dont give a flying fuck about the "verse" or anything that happens in the rest of TM. i also dont give a shit about the horde of lore fags intensely obsessing over every minor little chuunishit word Nasu likes to drop into random lines. I just wanna read neat characters interacting and not spend 2 hours reading a fight that boils down to "shiki stabs funny line and wins".

>>43923244
>murderboner Shiki stabbing beasts in a hotel and fighting edgelord man is totally the same as Arc glassing half a city because she didnt get nihongo chinchin guys
read tsukihime

>> No.43923289

>>43923251
>the remake near side already managed to set up the foundation for the far side infinitely better than the original. the amount of new mysteries layered through the remake, and the fact that readers are still discussing, finding new theories speaks for itself.
are you fucking retarded? That's because the remake RELEASED INCOMPLETE

inb4 you bring up the half-moon comiket demo that only had 300 prints and released 4 months before the full game

>> No.43923295

>>43923282
So again it's just "powerlevel A = good" but "powerlevel B = bad".

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>>43923258
I want to see Arc true with full power Roa

>> No.43923314

>>43923295
Yes. Tsukihime did powerlevel shit better than the Remake.

>> No.43923317

>>43923314
retard

>> No.43923318

>>43923282
>I just wanna read neat characters interacting and not spend 2 hours reading a fight that boils down to "shiki stabs funny line and wins".
Yeah, powerlevel faggotry gets in the with way.

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>>43923258
Noel vs CIel was cooler than Shiki vs Roa

>> No.43923329

>>43923282
>>43923318
Characters fighting each other IS "characters interacting". It's a culmination of their conflict and the sides shout their life issues, problems, etc. at each other. Type-Moon has always been about that. I don't even get this complaint.

>> No.43923331

Ciel's route was always tmg's favourite so it doesn't surprise me that people don't think the remake lives up to it.

>> No.43923339

>>43923321
A reminder that Noel was closer to defeating Ciel than anyone else.

>> No.43923345

>>43923321
That was just Ciel bulllying Noel.

>> No.43923350

>>43922650
It's pretty much confirmed. IIRC in 4gamer interview Nasu even rambled about how enjoyable it is to see people catching on to the truth about Mario.

>> No.43923354

>>43923339
Vlov quite literally beat her. Not to mention Arc. Noel mental attack was effective until it was not thanks to Shiki support

>> No.43923356

>>43923331
You can't be serious.

>> No.43923366

>>43923329
Correct, but you don't need your characters glassing a city to make the stakes more culpable. Just look at Shirou and Archer in UBW.

>> No.43923368

>>43923354
No Vlov is weak. Ciel is stated by Noel to be at the same level as DAA. The stuff with Vlov is mostly compatibility and the fact she was fighting with a handicap. It's stated very clearly that if she didn't need to keep the city safe she would have destroyed him.

>> No.43923373

>>43923366
Why is "characters glassing a city" bad? Do you actually have PTSD from some bomb raid that America did on your country?

>> No.43923391

>>43923331
get off the computer ciel

>> No.43923390

>>43923311
How would Arc True even work in Far Side? Diverging from Satsuki’s route? I was thinking it’d get added in the definitive version of the VN or something because if they want to make it longer they can totally sell it as another game, and Type Jew wouldn’t pass on the opportunity to get more money

>> No.43923397

>>43923368
Vlov literally was fighting her "on empty stomach" because he didn't have a time to drink any blood. Plus he was fighting her within 100 black keys barrier which was strong enough to disintegrate lesser vampires. They both were nerfed in that fight. Plus it doesn't change the fact that she got btfo

>> No.43923399

>>43923354
The only way to beat Ciel is to destroy her will to fight or reset the entire fucking world.

>> No.43923406

>>43923373
Makes Arc look like a murderous retard and flies in the face of a secret vampire world.

>> No.43923410

>>43923390
We don't know how will it be added. We just got Nasu words that explanation for Shiki new power will come with Arc true. Maybe it will unlock after all routes are finished before Eclipse end

>> No.43923415

Red Garden will have a severely different tone from Far Side, won't it?

>> No.43923421

>>43923406
Arc was always retarded.
>secret vampire world
Really now? Chuuni secret societies always have magic bullshit that keep them hidden. Complete non-issue. If you really care about this, then you should have an issue with Fate/Stay Night as well given all the massive city explosions and shit.

>> No.43923424

>>43923282
>i also dont give a shit about the horde of lore fags intensely obsessing over every minor little chuunishit word Nasu likes to drop into random lines
imagine reading a story built upon it's mysteries, just to label said mysteries as "minor little chuunishit". how about you go read a dating sim instead?

>> No.43923432

>>43923415
Do you really think that Nasu will come off of writing Arc melting a city to write Shiki having a schizo episode in bed for a few hours?

>> No.43923434

>>43923415
I want Nasu to rewrite it from scratch.

>> No.43923438

>>43923399
Or MEoDP. Or just throw her into pool of acid like Noel said. If she will resurrect only to die again then she lost

>> No.43923442

>>43923432
>Shiki having a schizo episode in bed for a few hours?
Peak Tsukihime.

>> No.43923447

I want a scene from SHIKI's perspective where he hallucinates Roa everywhere, who calls him fat and ugly.

>> No.43923448 [DELETED] 

>>43923432
there's only a "mystery" because half the fucking game isnt there.

>> No.43923449

>>43923438
The pool will run out of acid eventually.

>> No.43923450

>>43923442
Looking at Roa schizo moments I say far side in remake will be kino

>> No.43923452

>>43923415
Nasu says he wants more fight scenes in remake far side routes

>> No.43923464

>patch got released to the eop
>instantly full of trash opinions
Red garden can't get released soon enough.

>> No.43923469

>>43923415
I like how Nasu teased it and differentiated near and far side.
今作は『外からやってきた者たち』と繰り広げられた、
『今』を語る伝奇アクションでした。
その次に来るものは『内に棲む者たち』との確執……
『過去』を語る伝奇ミステリーのようです。
―――遠野邸に隠された真実。
―――もう一つの吸血鬼事件。
―――決壊する死の思い出。
―――夏の記憶と、或る窓際の光景。

>> No.43923477

>CCC will finish end of year or early next year
it's almost time

>> No.43923478

>>43923421
The one thing I like about Tsuki's Ciel Route was Arc just deciding to give up on pursuing Shiki and going back to sleep. It implies a sense of maturity that her mannerisms and demeanor hide. I know it was just because Ciel's route was half baked, but I still liked it. Remake just turns her into a murderous retard.

>> No.43923481

>>43923450
That's why I want Sacchin's route be split 50/50 between Shiki's and her povs to enjoy her shizo moments in full glory.

>> No.43923501

>>43923469
why are you quoting the anon as if you are agreeing with him when the japanese quote literally confirm red garden will have the same tone as the original far side?

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>>43923415
>>43923469
>シエルルートが特別なんですよ。TYPE-MOON伝奇の最強格を敵に回したらどうなるかを,絵として見せなくてはならなかったので。残りのルートがあれ以上派手になることはありません。……ないと……思います……。
>……ないと……思います……。

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>>43923464
>newfag doesnt know that ive been saying this since release

>> No.43923511

>>43923501
I'm not agreeing.

>> No.43923513

>>43923478
I mean, it's funny that the Moon Princess in reality is just a murderous retard.

>> No.43923516

>>43923469
>―――もう一つの吸血鬼事件。
Another vampire story?!
Oh no Nasu will ruin far side remake

>> No.43923519

>>43923438
>Ciel weakness : vore

>> No.43923525

>>43923478
Arcueid has been mentally retarded since 2000

>> No.43923527

>>43923478
>Arc just deciding to give up on pursuing Shiki and going back to sleep
this still happens in the remake and arc was a murderous retard in the original too.

>> No.43923528

the korean is back from the gulag boys

>> No.43923532

>>43923528
He's actual not the worst poster in this thread for once.

>> No.43923534

>>43923478
It's true that the scale is way bigger but Arc still had a meltdown in the original, she certainly wasn't that mature.

>> No.43923541

>>43923527
It's not very mature to decide to give up only after killing a few thousand people.

>> No.43923547

>>43923541
nobody died

>> No.43923553

>>43923541
She literally didn't kill a single person as she replaced the Texture with "empty" one

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>>43923516
it's over

>> No.43923560

>>43923547
Actually Roa did. RIP

>> No.43923570

>>43923560
truly the greatest loss

>> No.43923571

>>43923516
N-no.... muh heckin' gritty dark drama...

>> No.43923578

>>43923547
Technically she rips Seven in half in Ciel Normal.

>> No.43923583

>>43923560
Does Roa survive any normal/true end of OG Tsuki?
And I consider his capacity to revive as him surviving.

>> No.43923587

>>43923583
He technically should be alive in Kohaku's route. His fate is pretty ambiguous though because Akiha plundered him or some shit.

>> No.43923603

>>43923587
Is Akiha's health or bust affected by her energy being inside Shiki?

>> No.43923614

>>43922977
>>43922711
Sad how this entire thread chimps out everytime someone offers valid criticism of tsuki;re and doesn't fellate nasu like a 13 y o zoom zoom.
Really makes you realize most of the thread's barely capable of reading comprehension and probably didn't read much else

>> No.43923630

>>43923614
>reading comprehension and probably didn't read much else
>comment made by a fucking EOP
lmao

>> No.43923639

>>43923614
>valid criticism
The first post is straight up wrong (ciel's route is extremely different in major ways) and the second post is incoherent rambling about "muh powerlevels".

>> No.43923645

>>43923614
do you really expect everyone to wank you off when your argument boils down to
>action bad because I said so

>> No.43923652

>>43923645
>>43923639
just because you dont understand the criticism doesnt make it incoherent

>> No.43923666

>>43923652
your preference =/= valid criticism

>> No.43923668

>>43923652
retard

>> No.43923674

>>43923603
Presumably, Akiha is also doomed to live a really short life. Any effect on her bust size is unknown but it seems plausible.

>> No.43923678

>>43923666
you not agreeing with criticism =/= not valid criticism

>> No.43923751

I can save Vlov.

>> No.43923773

>>43923751
Right this way, heterosexual man

>> No.43924034

>>43923578
I don't think she even had Seven in the fight in Normal?

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>>43923516
Man if nasu decides to put a lot of vampire shit in Red Garden I'm going to be very disappointed
One of the unique things that I liked about the original novel is how separated but at the same time united the near side and far side routes...
Worst of all, he could use the Satsuki route to have fun and reunify the two sides of the stories something like in the manga, how cool would that be!!!!

>> No.43924077

>>43924063
In fairness, if he releases a game called Tsukihime and in the 4 routes there is maybe 40 seconds of actual Tsukihime time it would be kind of retarded.

>> No.43924089

>>43923415
Red Garden will be will be sillier than Carnival Phantasm
Source: My aunt Kinoko

>> No.43924193

>>43924034
She does in Remake and uses it in Arc before running with Shiki to the school.

>> No.43924244

>>43923516
If Sacchin becomes a vampire in far side I will shit and piss.
No vampires in far side.

>> No.43924268

>>43924244
Wait really? Were some people really expecting Sacchin not being a vampire in her route? Might as well not be Sacchin at that point.

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I forget, did the Roa-Ciel stuff also happen during 1989 in the original?

>> No.43924288

>>43924268
you are replying to a troll

>> No.43924289

>>43924244
>no vampires in far side
This is cope. Arach being involved in Makihisa’s life already says there’s going to be vampires in Far Side one way or another, especially when Arach takes interest in Akiha’s potential.

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At least the powerlevel wank in the remake results in some cool fights, in Mahoyo all the Beowulf wanking about how he was a top-tier elemental ends with "and he was beaten by a punch, lol!".
Hilarious stuff.

>> No.43924308

>>43924063
>Worst of all, he could use the Satsuki route to have fun and reunify the two sides of the stories something like in the manga
Are you talking about Arc’s manga? This inevitable considering Nasu kneels to the manga adaptation and it’s one of the things that drove him to work hard on the remake because he wanted to surpass it.

>> No.43924372

>>43924277
wasn't it in the 70s? I can't fucking remember though

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>> No.43924417

>>43924308
>>wanted to surpass it.
>can't even end the story with one release
>had to chop the VN in half
he failed.

>> No.43924449

>>43924303
I love that fight.

>> No.43924480

>>43924277
1992 when she was 16.
2001 when she was 12 in the remake.

>> No.43924517

>>43924480
>Roa destroyed an entire town in 1992 and the church hid it
those damn gas leaks

>> No.43924537

Archer will never fuck Rin
She will never put out for him

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>>43924537

>> No.43924587

>>43924541
Not canon
Retard

>> No.43924598

>>43924541
He doesn't look too happy about it

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>>43924598

>> No.43924649

>>43924619
This statement never made sense to me considering the fact that Redman is from a Saber route where Illya won.

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>>43924649
Numei is from the Shinji route

>> No.43924664

>>43924619
>>43924649
Redman is clearly lying here considering the fact that he falls in love with Hakunon

>> No.43924672

Make a 3x3 of Melty newcomers.

>> No.43924680

>>43924649
pro blease.
Making fun of a flat girl with no tiddies is the hallmark of every otome hero ever.

>> No.43924706

i think hakunon is cute

>> No.43924738

Redman is a deceiving player and does not actually want romance

>> No.43924746

*except with lancer

>> No.43924752

>>43924303
that's literally the last time the Nasuverse was good. Mahoyo 2 is going to be some retarded shit where Aoko timetravels to nazi Germany and fights a giant robot

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Man this is wacky. I don't think we've ever seen anything in TM works hitting with enough force to reduce Ether to subatomic particles.
Vampires and BA Executors are truly on another level.

>> No.43924773

>>43924746
Lancer goes to HIM, and takes Archer by FORCE. That is the big difference here.

>> No.43924774

>>43924752
>the last time the Nasuverse was good was "just okay" at best
It's so over

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>>43924752
>Aoko timetravels to nazi Germany and fights a giant robot
wtf I want to buy mahoyo 2 now?

>> No.43924889

i've jerked off to akiha at least 3 times today already fuck you op

>> No.43924893

>>43924889
go for four?

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>>43924889

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>>43924889
The idea that I made you cum a few times aroused me a little.

>> No.43925113

Shiki stops being retarded and tells Ciel that Arc found a vampire at school the morning after Arc told him.
How much does the story change?

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>that's literally the last time the Nasuverse was good

>> No.43925150

I can't wait for Waver to show up in Red Garden.

>> No.43925180

>>43925144
sincerely, kill yourself

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I wonder what the deal was with Ciel and Be'ze. It seems like Ciel respected him but he is a vampire. He must be dead as well if Ciel obtained his IB.
We know Ciel was his final disciple as stated by Vlov. Did he train her so she could kill him?

>> No.43925187

>>43925184
I'm fairly certain we know less about Vlov than we think we do.

>> No.43925199

>>43925144
LB6 is just a generic fucking isekai fantasy novel jerking itself off every sentence. If I wanted that I would just go to ノクターンノベルズ, at least they have porn there.

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>>43925199
>l jerking itself off every sentence.

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>that's literally the last time the Nasuverse was good

>> No.43925226 [DELETED] 

>>43925223
Huh? Am I retarded? I thought Mahoyo came out after CCC

>> No.43925322

>>43925184
It's said she defeated him. But yeah it was probably something like training her to kill him or whatever. We don't really know.
>>43925187
True.

>> No.43925330

>>43925322
>It's said she defeated him
Where does it say that?

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>>43925322
It's kind of crazy how powerful Ciel is in Remake. Not only has she crazy magic potential in terms of her physical body, she also excels in terms of skills as well.
Truly the peak of humanity.

>> No.43925403

>>43925344
You'd have an easier time naming characters who aren't ridiculous or apex in some capacity or another.

>> No.43925414

>>43925344
It's funny how everything Ciel does in this fight is stupid and pointless because she can't read.

>> No.43925422

>>43925403
Noel.
If you look at other TM works characters like Rin and Shirou aren't apex anything. Only Tsukihime has so many freaks among freaks at one place.

>> No.43925428

>>43925422
Rin is average one and Shirou has avalon inside him.

>> No.43925429

>>43925422
But Shirou is apex autism

>> No.43925434

>>43925422
That's what I meant. And even in Noel's case, apparently Aoko(and Shiki the BF) thinks she has potential at least. As a DA she's also got some busted attributes since she's got Eye of Roses(Fake). The number of people who don't get insta-gibbed by having their soul ripped out on sight just for locking eyes on her is low.

>> No.43925532

How cool would it be for Tsukihime to release worldwide with additional content.

>> No.43925536

>>43925532
>additional content
?

>> No.43925541

How is Shiki even able to use magic in Ciel true - wouldn't he need to have his circuits opened first?

>> No.43925558

>>43925541
"it's roa I don't have to explain shit" - Nasu

>> No.43925565

>>43925541
Roa might've opened them during the weekend or it was simply one of the pain attacks

>> No.43925573

>>43925541
Roa used Shiki's nerves instead.

>> No.43925598

>>43925573
>>43925541
It says Roa used the nerves in his left hand as Magic Circuits. Shiki pretty much immediately picked it up right after. Also Technically he's a psychic so acts as a magic circuit unto himself. From what I remember it was always suggested he has rather good odds at learning magecraft if he wanted to. I'm sure the church will teach him some sacraments and he's probably already has the good shit from when Roa was in his head.

>> No.43925605

>>43923172
This is the only scene I really wanted to skip in the remake.
The game kept repeating this same message on and on throughout that by the time this scene happened I couldn't stomach yet another repetition. Not that the scene itself was that horrible (it was still bad) but what the other guy said about length and stretching content via repetition ruined it entirely.

>> No.43925606

>>43923172
This is one of the top 10 TM moments.

>> No.43925616

>>43925598
Ah, right. Knew I'm forgetting something
>sacraments
Gravity magic is kinda scary by itself with Shiki, turning himself into otk missile with a changing trajectory. He's gonna make black keys great again with meodp, I imagine Ciel would be pretty giddy about it

>> No.43925625

Shiki is a genius mage who can make crocodiles fly out of his body.

>> No.43925629

>>43925616
You just gave me fanart idea... for the future.

>> No.43925634

>>43925629
Ciel making an excited face watching and cheering from above. In the same artstyle as the guy drawing lots of Subahibi Kimika art

>> No.43925647

>>43925634
>Subahibi Kimika
What guy

>> No.43925704

Famitsu Survey
What do you want to happen after Part 2 ends?
What an easy question. I'm surprised they gave conclusion as an option.

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>>43925606
Any others come to mind?

>> No.43925763

>>43925647
Not home rn, look her up on pixiv, should be ez to find.

>> No.43925783

>>43925616
>turning himself into otk missile with a changing trajectory.
Isn't that literally what Dino Shiki do against ORT in LB7?

>> No.43925793

Noel infiltrates the school and then gets into a fight with Akiha while snooping around the Tohno mansion, barely escaping the fight. Then she gets in a fight with Vlov, and only manages to weaken him enough for Ciel to take over and beat him. Now she's about to follow Satsuki into an alley.

It looks like my theory from like a week back might've been right about Noel killing her if this is any indication. Or maybe Noel prevents Satsuki from being bitten, who knows.

>> No.43925794

>>43925748
Arc and Ciel Normal Ends. There are really a ton in just Tsuki alone. Depends on what you want. Action, romance, overall messaging? I really like Shiki vs Roa in the hallway too just because of how utterly cold and dismissive it is towards this infinite reincarnating spectre whose cheated death over and over. His grand design brought to nothing by someone who hardly registers them as anything of worth.

>> No.43925803

>>43925783
Basically. It was obviously a reference to Tsukihime and Shiki killing an ultimate one+flying through the sky like lightning.

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>>43925748
Relationship between these two

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>>43925748
Oh, me? I'm a chuuni, you see.

>Archer vs Berserker (DEEN)
>Richard vs Gilgamesh
>Shiki vs Roa (Tsuki R Arc route)
>Tsuki R Summer flashback
>Yandere Shiki topping Mikiya
>Sparks Liner High
>Edmond vs Roa
>Vasavi Shakti
>every scene of Kerry bullying Kayneth
>Shiki!Roa vs Red Arc

>> No.43925935

>>43925803
Considering Tepeu has a lesser version (probably same as Roa/SHIKI) of MEoDP, I wonder if Shiki (true) was in that scene he could actually KO ORT

>> No.43925972

>>43925935
RoaSHIKI doesn't see death.
Tepeu's is weaker though and Shiki should have been able to.

>> No.43926008

>>43925972
Roa eyes essentially deals 100% dmg to your HP, you die because your HP hit zero. True MEoDP activate "Death" status in akashic records basically.

>> No.43926024

>>43926008
Well it's more like meodp erase you from existence and Roa's removes the battery. Both lethal, though the former is a lot more versatile and less easy to work around.

>> No.43926247

>>43925783
How would I know, that sounds so retarded I thought it's some fandom joke until I saw the screenshots. I'm not gonna read any of that even if I bother with f/go story.
Did nasu just copy Ciel true except dinosaurs and ort?

>> No.43926254

>>43925793
She wouldn't survive either encounter unless played off as a gag...
She probably will be involved in Satsuki's route though, sadly.

>> No.43926262

>>43925822
>Edmond vs Road
What has the king meant by this?

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>>43926262
Are you meming or genuinely not know? It's the climax of the Edmond drama CD which takes place between escaping the Chateau d'If and taking his revenge from the original novel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0448e6F3JcU

>> No.43926288

>>43923639
>ciel's route is extremely different in major ways
No it's not.

>> No.43926293

>>43926247
>Did nasu just copy Ciel true except dinosaurs and ort?
Not at all. The story does have Tsukihime themes and some references like Dino Shiki&Arc though. Unironically DinoShiki is it's best written character and most central to its message. Him killing ORT didn't even get a screenshot though. Just a sound effect and single line mentioned in passing you could easily misunderstand if you didn't know Tsuki or realize why ORT had to recreate its concept.

>> No.43926370

>>43926276
Roa is a perfect example for why making alternate universe versions of characters is almost always a poor idea. Literally zero of what makes the character interesting and so you get some super chuuni(Dantes please shut up, your overtly chuuni voice is grating)bling blang spell slinging and then auuoooooogh IMPOSSIBRU wicked witch of the west level send off.

>> No.43926379

>>43926370
I know, isn't it great?

>> No.43926412

>>43926370
Look what not having Arc in your life does to motherfucker. Everyone should accept Arc in their heart

>> No.43926413

>>43926276
Cringe. Roa jobbing to generic chuuni literally who

>> No.43926428

>>43926379
Great in the same way the last three anaconda sequels were. Left wondering why it even exists but appreciative in how it killed a moment of your life.

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Tohno bros...
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/105180893#1

>> No.43926889

>>43926860
Tohno would never go hard on Ryougi since he's a good boi. Actually isn't she like way fucking older than him now lol? She may be shopping for a son-in law next they meet.

>> No.43926962

TM Ace out on the 26th

>> No.43926985

>>43926962
of what month

>> No.43926996

>>43926985
This month

>> No.43927079

>>43926962
too bad its focused on gacha trash and the new fate game

>> No.43927112

>>43927079
There's literally nothing else with concrete release date. There will be page or two about Extra remake and Red Garden but they won't talk about something that is at least two years away

>> No.43927113

>>43927079
Did they give a breakdown on the pages of each section/article or anything.

>> No.43927663

>>43925822
I wish I was Redman, he's so cool

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>>43927113
Would assume a little RG news but it’s probably all about Samurai this year and FGO. Also kek at no new Extra Record news.

>> No.43927704

>>43926413
It wasn't really jobbing. Fate Roa is weaker than his Tsuki world counterpart and he was going againts a guy who was equipped with one of the strongest relics in church possesion. His flames deal more damage the more sins target commited so it was super effective against Roa. It's rather impressive that Roa still put up a fight

>> No.43927721

>>43927672
type-moon is honestly such a boring company. it really says a lot when their only interesting projects are either remaster and remake.

>> No.43927727

>>43926413
>literally who
Read a book nigga

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Mahoyo sold 150k on all consoles worldwide. Not bad for a VN remaster. Would be interesting to see how the sales split with the initial physical JP sales to the rest of the world.

>> No.43927786

>>43927738
>150k
>worldwide
mahoyobros, did we flopped again? tsukihime almost sold that in one single week....

>> No.43927793

>>43927704
Ironically DA were kinda hyped and He clobbered Dantes and then got Chuuni lolHATELOVE TURN MY BODY AND SOUL TO FLAMESSSSSSSSSSSSSS'd. Just meme writing.

>> No.43927812

It's time we finally accept that Mahoyo wasn't that good.

>> No.43927816

>>43927786
That's good sales for a remaster of a 10 year old game. I wonder how well Remake will sell in this upcoming release? 50k? 100k if we're lucky? I don't think there is even chinese right?

>> No.43927837

>>43927812
Love that something not being as popular means it isn’t good. Sounds like the average FGO retard.

>> No.43927855

>>43927816
>That's good sales for a remaster
I agree with that but I think it's bad for a translation.

>> No.43927859

>>43927672
>no dedicated Red Garden section
well surely they'll mention it right

>> No.43927867

>>43927837
>FGO out of nowhere
Obsessed

>> No.43927874

>>43927816
i don't think the "remaster" part is relevant that much considering the major selling point with this release was the voice acting, and the release outside of japan thus finally bringing the game to a newer audience. regardless, i still won't be surprised if the ratio for the japanese sales is still higher. i think we will get a better idea of western sales with the remake, but i'm starting to understand why type-moon did not bother until now. it's just not worth the effort.

>> No.43927909

>>43927874
What kind of sales are you expecting for a visual novel dude?

>> No.43927913

>>43927721
Gotta love these old farts still being a small doujin company and not expanding and trying to make new stuff.

>> No.43927934

>>43927874
No one knows what Mahoyo is and with the lack of marketing in the west of course it sold like shit here. It needs an anime to get people to care about it since it’s so niche.

>> No.43927949

>>43927874
Maybe it has something to do with translating their most unpopular VN.
Imagine if they actually tried translating the Remake in a timely manner.

>> No.43927953

>>43927934
Americans don't read so it was hopeless from the start.

>> No.43927971

If only Mahoyo was a complete story and not just the prologue of a story Nasu never bothered to write.

>> No.43927995

>>43927909
actually not much, especially not for mahoyo but it proves once again that the west is largely irrelevant.
>>43927949
the remake as type-moon first official visual novel localization would have probably generated more hype. now i don't really expect much for the upcoming english release.

>> No.43928005

Mahoyo sold 150,000 copies

Fate stay night 200,000 copies
Fate stay night realta nua (2012) 300,000copies
Tsukihime remake 300,000
Fate Hollow Ataraxia 250,000
but its good score, fate vn was too legend

>> No.43928012

>>43927995
if they manage even 1/3rd the japanese sales of remake it would be really good for just translating shit.

>> No.43928020

>>43925704
>I'm surprised they gave conclusion as an option
Really? Where can I vote?

>> No.43928099

>>43928020
https://kgl.svy.ooo/ng/answers/fgo-8th-enquete/

>> No.43928105

>>43927738
>「月姫」を面白いと思ってくれた新規の皆さんが「まほよ」にも手を伸ばしてくれたら,市場としてまだいけるかもしない。……ダメだったらまた違った方向を考えなくちゃ,ですね。
we failed nasu...

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>>43928099
hah

>> No.43928129

>>43927738
I just want people to shut the fuck up now about the idea that TM are shooting themselves in the foot by not releasing things worldwide. This even came with korean and chinese too.

>> No.43928158

>>43928129
They probably sold like half of them overseas bro. I don't think it takes millions to have a translation.

>> No.43928167

>>43928105
Fate fans =/= Tsukihime fans =/= Mahoyo fans =/= FGO fans =/= Melty Blood fans

>> No.43928168

>>43928158
>They probably sold like half of them overseas bro
Delusional. I'd be shocked if foreign sales cracked 10%.

>> No.43928173

>>43928158
You are actually out of your mind.

>> No.43928180

>>43928129
Not that I really disagree with you but the "western" market for VN's solely exists on PC.
>>43928158
Delusional lol

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>> No.43928205

>>43928099
Alright thanks.
I picked conclusion and reason for it was I want to see more Tsuki. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

>> No.43928220

Pretty sure Mahoyo was reported to have sold 110k and at the time it was presumed 66k came from japan. I don't think US physical copies moved until like late jan/early feb.

>> No.43928258

>>43928220
>at the time it was presumed 66k came from japan.
wat, who came up with that nonsense

>> No.43928305

>>43928258
Famitsu

>> No.43928315

>>43928305
source or gtfo

>> No.43928318

>>43928258
He's talking about famitsu's physical sales tracker and he's retarded because Tsukihime was exactly the same - the overall sales that factor in digital given by TM being about double what was reported by famitsu before.

>> No.43928319

>>43928201
Its very sad that japanese dont care about her...

>> No.43928337

>>43928318
>Tsukihime was exactly the same

Wrong
Tsukihime remake not added digital(DL) sold

>> No.43928389

>>43927704
>beaten by a dude who's never used the relic before
>not jobbing
ok lol

>> No.43928423

>>43928337
What didn't add digital copies sold? What are you even talking about?

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>fuck you Shiki I'm following you and meeting with Arc even if she gets mad and we fight
>oh god oh fuck a True Ancestor is fighting me in the middle of a city and I don't have any weapons I'm so fucked
absolute woman moment

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>>43928533
How about idea blood bitch

>> No.43928582

>>43928573
>i'll crush you like the incest that you are
>process to become a damsel in distress for the majority of the true ending
absolute woman moment

>> No.43928612

>>43928573
AIIIIIEEEEEE

>> No.43928624

>>43928573
What's a primordial stratum? I don't think I've ever seen that Nasu term come up ever before.

>> No.43928631

Does anyone have a catbox link for Alice reciting the hey diddle diddle nursery rhyme?

>> No.43928640

>>43928573
>>43922908
Hmm impressive...
You made me use 10% of my power.

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>>43928582
>Became a suicide bomb
>If Shiki can't cut Luminous Arcueid. She's dead

>> No.43928653

>>43928640
Luminous Arcueid is literally suicide bomb.
Anyone can't defeat this bitch

>> No.43928655

was the Foxtail manga any good?

>> No.43928658

>>43928643
Still won against Ciel. Also given Arc had passively absorbed the entirety of reality at that point, if she had turned into a living being and collapsed she'd have taken everything down along with her. This is implied by Eco Arc in Ciel-sensei and outright confirmed in Ciel's story in MBTL.

>> No.43928670

>>43928653
She is not. If she doesn't move her body around she has nothing to worry about. The only reason she couldn't cancel her Luminary transformation is because of her mental state at that point.

>> No.43928682
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>>43928658
In Melty Blood Ciel used Einnashe's idea blood and killed Luminous Arcueid

>> No.43928708

>>43928682
Uconfirmed. We never get to see the outcome of Ciel's Einnashe IB magecraft so it's up in the air.
Hopefully we get to see it sometime, but Arc being Arc I don't think that would be enough to take her down.

>> No.43928773

>>43928708

Comparing one of the strongest character in the nasuverse and regular human executor... bro

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>>43928773
Ciel is probably the strongest executor to the point she requires special attention in Arc's eyes.
Arc said all executors are mosquitoes to her with Ciel being the only exception. Arc wouldn't even remember the name of someone like Hansa and Kirei.

>> No.43928903

>>43928852
Arc hates her because she was Roa host

>> No.43928930

>>43928852
But I remember Hansa for the double coffee whammo on Jester.
Honestly the universal hate train for Jester in sF is my favorite running gag.

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>>43928903
That's part of it, but there is also no denying she considers her a major obstacle precisely because she has the skills and power to back it up. As opposed to other executors who wouldn't even fly under her radar.

>> No.43929139

>>43927738
Would've been 200k with a Steam release.

>> No.43929233

>>43924619
Archer literally tells Rin she has no feminine charm in UBW only for it to be shown at the end that he still admires her just as he did in high school. It's just his way of playful teasing. Also Rin is perfectly curvy enough.

>> No.43929289

>>43917245
what would be the best way to play through tsukihime right now?

>> No.43929293

>>43929233
This scene single-handedly saved UBW.
https://youtu.be/wdRnNHDrxe8

>> No.43929319

>>43929139
Would've been 900k with a h scene.

>> No.43929328

>>43929289
Play remake Arc - Ciel route
Play OG game Akiha - Kohaku route

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>>43928930

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>>43928852
She doesn't know about Narbareck. Isnt she?

>> No.43929375

>>43929359
The Burial Agency in general are on a completely different level than Executors. Ciel is just a weirdo who's kind of in between.

>> No.43929406

>>43928852
I don't think Arc has met the other BA members. I get the distinct feeling that Ciel is the only decent person in the group.

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>>43929406
I would be surprised if she hasn't considering the BA's entire purpose is to deal with the the non-human affairs that are the most difficult to deal with.
They are probably just not that big a deal since according to Ciel they only get dispatched once or twice per year.
Merem is also likely still with the BA.

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>>43929406
Arc probably has met the other BA members.

>> No.43929512

>>43929470
Not necessary. She gets knowledge from the world when she wakes up. She knows about stuff like MEoDP despite never meeting the user before Shiki. She most likely talks about BA as a whole rather than any individual

>> No.43929541

>>43929452
Ciel is stated multiple times to be the strongest vampire-slaying specialist so in terms of vampire-killing she is probably superior to the other BA. Roa also claims Ciel's body is magnitudes greater than those of magi at the top of their field and Ciel has 250 times the mana generation capacity of the average magi. With mana generation being equivalent to mass according to the definition of Lifescale given in Tsukihime, that means Ciel is more powerful than anything with lesser mana in basic parameters. So I can totally see Ciel being a better all-rounded among the BA as well.

>> No.43929553

>>43929512
Arc met Laurentis/Mario in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if she has, but even if she didn't it makes little difference since as you stated she downloads knowledge from the world itself.

>> No.43929623

>>43921724
Ciel is great in both old and new design though, what is wrong with her?
Meanwhile Arc? She's just ugly old hag
One of Takeuchi females I wouldn't want at all, which is super rare (I love Takeuchi)

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>Black Keys are literal bible pages infused with mana
huh

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>> No.43929692

>>43929541
I mean Mr Dawn has barely any fighting abilities but he shits on everyone else when it comes to exorcising demons. It's about specialisation. Ciel is also the only one who actively hunts vampires and not just chilling until there is some world ending threat and they get called for it. As for powerlevels Narbareck is at the top. She's called "the powerhouse whose job it is to reign in all the freaks in the Burial Agency". If Kiara can tap on her True demon power she also could beat Ciel

>> No.43929711

>>43929665
Yep. And Executor armor is literally bible pages plastering their body under their habit.
And Seven injects bible pages directly into the enemy after it punctures.

>> No.43929713

>>43929623
You're a literal faggot who wants to suck Roa cock. Your sense of what is good looking is twisted

>> No.43929726

>>43929665
Nothing new

>> No.43929732

>>43929713
He also admitted to paying money for FGO which makes him a literal gachacuck.

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>>43929713
Do you want to say Roa doesn't have great design? He is one of most interesting characters and hence cursed to barely appear, like Kirei before him, Zelretch, CM having no design at all, Types from Notes having no design.

I just don't get the appeal of old hags. I like Saber, Jeanne and other female Takeuchi designs.

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>>43929741
average vampire

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>>43929741
>I like Saber, Jeanne and other female Takeuchi designs.
>female Takeuchi designs.
Sounds like projection, Shirou. You're shitposting for the sake of shitposting

>> No.43929790

>>43929776
>me and the boys reach the root

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>>43929780
Comparing Jeanne and Arcueid...

>> No.43929798

>>43929692
I don't think Narbareck has a better body than Ciel until that's actually stated. Old information from the OG is not certain to apply and in fact I think most of it just doesn't hold anymore, like Ciel not being up to the standards of the BA without her immortality, when we're told the exact opposite right here>>43925344

>> No.43929803

>>43929792
Jeanne hair are uglier on both shade and design but other than it's just same Takeuchi face

>> No.43929808

>>43929776
Why is Jester's command spell on his hip? I thought it had to be on the arms.
... Perhaps that where Dorothea's real arm is because the rest of the flesh is just her meat armor?

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>>43929798
>I don't think Narbareck has a better body than Ciel until that's actually stated.

It makes no sense. If Narbareck hasn't ultimate power how can she controll the agency?

>> No.43929826

>>43929798
Oh but Narbareck does have something called Stigma. So who knows what that is about.

>> No.43929833

>>43929780
I mean Arc just isn't attractive.
I am not sure if that's because of the story, bad VA or design, or combination
And yes, she is different from Saber doesn't matter how much you meme about sameface
>>43929803
I wouldn't say Jeanne is uglier, and also do you take her story into account?
At least she's 19 year old and not old hag, you know.

>> No.43929834

>>43929821
By being more resourceful and charismatic. Leaders are seldom the most powerful, but they are the smartest.

>> No.43929847

>>43929834
That makes sense when you run a company, not a den of super powerful freaks of nature.

>> No.43929865

Friendly reminder that Ciel's value is less than a sack of shit since Narbareck considers her worthless to the BA as soon as she loses her immortality. Unironically Ciel's greatest contribution was bringing Shiki to the Church.

>> No.43929867

>>43929847
Tell that to the FGO protag or any Master who commands more than one Servant.

>> No.43929875

>>43929865
>Huurrr still parroting defunct lore that's explicitly proven wrong in the Remake
lol

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>>43929847
>>43929834
But... in fate strange fake Hansa says every
BA member have superpower ability

>> No.43929899

>>43929293
I don't think it needed saving, it's basically perfect.

>> No.43929903

>>43929879
No one's saying that Narbareck isn't special.

>> No.43929905

>>43929879
Ya, I'm not denying she has a superpower. I just think it's likely something other than "greatest body with the greatest magical potential", that would be boring.

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>>43929867
Fgo lore states that Servants are literally slaves for humanity and command seals exist for a reason. Ciel was taken in despite being a heretic for her immortality and Roa knowledge. They also gave her all kind of shit which made her more powerful. It makes zero sense for Narbareck to let her run free if she didn't have a way to put her down

>> No.43929936

>>43929875
the remake doesn't prove anything wrong. ciel is still largely getting carried by her immortality + roa's knowledge. you remove the former, and she probably manage to get herself killed stupidly since she is a suicidal idiot.

>> No.43929949

>>43929936
Roa literally orgasms over her magical potential and realises he was an idiot for valuing social status so highly in choosing his next incarnations.

>> No.43929974

>>43929907
I mean that's what Mario also said, which is why he wanted to collect Vlov's IB first. The BA is also explicitly not shy when it comes to collateral damage since they destroy cities to kill vampires as part of their usual modus operandi. Ciel is likely the tamest member of the BA in terms of temperament so why would there be a need to put her down after her training? It's still nothing but assumptions anyway.

>>43929936
See>>43925344
She can't be special among the BA mainly thanks to her Archery and sniping and also being only useful thanks to her immortality. If you use your brain even a little you'd see both of those statements are directly contradictory.
Arc also says Ciel is the pinnacle of human potential in MBTL. So no, Ciel is legitimately likely to be the greatest magus in the entire planet.

>> No.43929988

>>43929907
>>43929974
As for Narbareck having ways to put Ciel down, I think she still likely has the alien stomach world in Remake.

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>>43929936
Then what is this?

>> No.43929993

>>43929949
nothing particularly unique to the remake, ciel always had crazy magical potential even in the original. her potential is insane, but she literally got exposed for being extremely wasteful. she clearly lacks training, and will probably get herself killed before she get proficient enough in actually using her potential.

>> No.43930011

>>43929993
So you admit her potential is insane and accept that she's killed multiple DAAs. Is that still not enough?

>> No.43930032

>>43929993
Exept she already killed 2 DAA when it normally takes the Church 200 years to even begin preparing to take down a DAA. And no immortality explicitly doesn't stop you from getting captured.
At no point is she exposed for anything, other than during her fight against Arc when Roa claimed he could have used the grand magecraft better.
But guess what? There is no fucking way any other BA member would have been able to fight Arc under those same conditions.

>> No.43930051

>>43930032
>There is no fucking way any other BA member would have been able to fight Arc under those same conditions.
You entire speculation. If Kiara can tap on True Demon power she's already better than Ciel.
>Exept she already killed 2 DAA
Which happened off screen and we have no knowledge of how she did it. We did saw her fight with Vlov though. Shiki also killed DAA and most likely will kill more in the future. Does that make him DAA tier?

>> No.43930058

>>43930032
Roa claimed he could have used the grand magecraft better
>Original Roa was grand class magus.
>Ciel is not a magus. she's executor from church. Church hate magecraft shit

>> No.43930076

>>43930051
>You entire speculation
No, the burden of proof is on your when we're explicitly told Arc is the strongest being in the entire setting.
>True Demon stronger than Ciel
Prove it.
>Which happened off screen and we have no knowledge of how she did it
They are explicitly counted as her kills by Mario and more importantly she actually collected their IBs herself.
>Does that make him DAA tier?
This is irrelevant given Ciel did most of the work in that fight and would have killed Vlov if not for the number of handicaps she took on.
Ciel is easily DAA tier because she can fight and even injure a serious Arc.

>> No.43930082

>>43930058
>Original Roa was grand class magus
This is never stated in Remake.
>Church hate magecraft shit
Ciel outright says the Church uses magecraft, they are just sticklers to a different terminology precisely because they hate the MA.

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>>43930051
>We did saw her fight with Vlov though.

Ciel is stated by Noel to be at the same level as DAA. The stuff with Vlov is mostly compatibility and the fact she was fighting with a handicap. It's stated very clearly that if she didn't need to keep the city safe she would have destroyed him.

1 Ciel doesn't used Carvaria Star and Einnashe's IB
2 Even Arcueid defeated by Vlov

>> No.43930093

>>43930082
>>Original Roa was grand class magus
This is never stated in Remake.

I mean the FIRST original Roa

>> No.43930096

>>43930076
>They are explicitly counted as her kills by Mario and more importantly she actually collected their IBs herself.
Yeah. Literally just like Vlov. If he considering Vlov, which was entirely a team effort, Ciel kill then it doesn't mean much

>> No.43930105

>>43930084
>2 Even Arcueid defeated by Vlov
Sadly he didn't finish her for good... Vlov...

>> No.43930111

>>43930096
How can Shirou defeat Gilgamesh??
It's same Shiki is protagonist, if Ciel kill Vlov solo, Shiki became a side character

>> No.43930116

>>43930084
Arc was killed by MEoDP and weakend so it's not even an argument. Because Ciel can't come back after MEoDP kill, it already put her below Arc

>> No.43930120

>>43929974
>So no, Ciel is legitimately likely to be the greatest magus in the entire planet.
extremely high magical potential doesn't automatically make one a great, or the greatest magus. for instance, ciel most likely has a higher potential than alice, but alice will always be the better and more skilled magus
>>43930011
that essentially all she has "potential". most her shortcomings as a fighter, magus are being hidden by the fact that she is essentially immortal. you remove said immortality, and ciel is instantly a lot less threatening. honestly until proven otherwise, i have no reason to not believe that her immortality did not play a huge role in ciel being able to take down 2 DAA
>>43930032
>And no immortality explicitly doesn't stop you from getting captured
immortality isn't just overpowered because... she can't die. she is pretty much allowed to the offensive approach, no matter the situation and no matter the opponents since she is able to make more mistakes without major drawbacks. we are mostly debating over fights we will probably never see so it's hard to make a concrete argument, but as i mentioned above i have no reason to not believe that her immortality did not carry her hard against the 2 DAA

>> No.43930122

>>43930093
>I mean the FIRST original Roa
Yes, it's never stated how exactly original Roa compares to Ciel. Narbareck claims OG Roa is a 1 in 10 years prodigy, but the comparison between OG Roa's magecraft potential and Ciel's doesn't exist in Remake like it did in the OG.

>>43930096
>Ciel kill then it doesn't mean much
It does because as I stated here>>43930032
>when it normally takes the Church 200 years to even begin preparing to take down a DAA

>> No.43930131

>>43930076
>Ciel did most of the work in that fight
No she did not. She literally got her ass carried by a teenager with a knife.

>> No.43930141

Funny that Cielfags trying to say that immortality isn't a factor when Virgin Pain + imortality combo is what carried her through Vlov fight until she got btfo

>> No.43930153

>>43930051
>Shiki also killed DAA and most likely will kill more in the future. Does that make him DAA tier?
Are you implying he isn't?

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>>43930120
>extremely high magical potential doesn't automatically make one a great, or the greatest magus
Except Ciel can also use IB magecraft also as a result of that potential AND she has Roa's knowledge who's magecraft formulas are also compared to Animusphere in terms of complexity. So no, Ciel is likely more skilled than Alice. Nvm the fact that Ciel excels in many other areas as well such as archery and sword wielding.
>i have no reason to not believe that her immortality did not play a huge role in ciel being able to take down 2 DAA
I do because immortality doesn't stop her from losing magical energy. If she uses it all up she cannot replenish it mid battle, unless she has something like Vlov's raw curse.
>you remove said immortality, and ciel is instantly a lot less threatening
It hardly makes that big a difference considering all the bullshit she has at her disposal, including the fact she was able to hurt Arc at full power with black keys and her pile bunker, all of which is a result of her magical energy.
>no matter the situation and no matter the opponents
Wrong. She can easily get captured and subjected to a fate worse than death. In fact that was Ciel's greatest fear when fighting Arc, since Arc could have easily chained her and thrown her to the vortex of Event Storage, and her immortality wouldn't have saved her.

>> No.43930166

>>43930131
Don't lie anon.

>> No.43930180

>>43930160
>including the fact she was able to hurt Arc at full power with black keys and her pile bunker, all of which is a result of her magical energy
Retard, she was literally striked with MEoDP and vulnerable. We literally saw a fight in the park where Ciel used full power attack with Black keys and it just bounced back of Arc

>> No.43930204

>>43930160
>So no, Ciel is likely more skilled than Alice
cielfags are honestly hilarious. you have a whole fucking scene with roa making fun of her lack of refinement, and wastefulness caused by her clear lack of techniques, but you are still trying to convince us that she is more skilled than alice, lmao.
>It hardly makes that big a difference
and now you are trying to imply that her immortality is hardly making a difference? anon, most of her fights involve her suffering all sort of injuries that would have probably costed her life if that wasn't for said immortality.

>> No.43930215

>>43929741
>arc schizo is a gacha nigger
not surprising

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>>43930141
>Your swordmanship equals nay surpasses my own.
Why some people dont read about this

1 Vlov say her fight skills are better than himself

2 Ciel used barrier to protect Souya people from Vlov's Frozem (Literally Handicap)

3 Ciel doesn't use her final move "Idea Bloods"

>> No.43930269

>powerlevels autism
You people are worse than niggers I swear

>> No.43930282 [DELETED] 

>>43930141
That's more a matter of compatibility and situational disadvantage. It's very possible Vlov's Principle was harder to deal with than Chromclay's and Einnashe's given the circumstances.

>>43930180
>Retard, she was literally striked with MEoDP and vulnerable
Where is it stated being injured in the neck makes her vulnerable? She wasn't holding back her power at that point.
>you have a whole fucking scene with roa making fun of her lack of refinement
You realize Roa himself also stated in that scene that she can afford to be wasteful precisely because of her magical energy right?
Ciel's goal in that scene was to make the city fall on top of Arc, which she accomplished. This has no bearing on her lack of refinement, if anything the problem was her lack of knowledge regarding the mechanics of Arc's luminary transformation, which Roa knew about, so of course he'll be able to device a better strategy.
Ciel is only less experienced in relation to a master like Roa as well. Alice is a fucking noob in comparison.
>that would have probably costed her life if that wasn't for said immortality.
This is wrong when even magus like Aoko pre Fifth Magic have fairly strong regeneration.
Most of Ciel's fights happen when she is at a disadvantage or when fighting a superior opponent like Arc. The later explicitly the strongest being in the entire setting. Ciel when fighting Noel was face-tanking everything Noel could throw at her, her immortality didn't even enter the equation.

>> No.43930289

>>43930141
That's more a matter of compatibility and situational disadvantage. It's very possible Vlov's Principle was harder to deal with than Chromclay's and Einnashe's given the circumstances.

>>43930180
>Retard, she was literally striked with MEoDP and vulnerable
Where is it stated being injured in the neck makes her vulnerable? She wasn't holding back her power at that point.

>>43930204
>you have a whole fucking scene with roa making fun of her lack of refinement
You realize Roa himself also stated in that scene that she can afford to be wasteful precisely because of her magical energy right?
Ciel's goal in that scene was to make the city fall on top of Arc, which she accomplished. This has no bearing on her lack of refinement, if anything the problem was her lack of knowledge regarding the mechanics of Arc's luminary transformation, which Roa knew about, so of course he'll be able to device a better strategy.
Ciel is only less experienced in relation to a master like Roa as well. Alice is a fucking noob in comparison.
>that would have probably costed her life if that wasn't for said immortality.
This is wrong when even magus like Aoko pre Fifth Magic have fairly strong regeneration.
Most of Ciel's fights happen when she is at a disadvantage or when fighting a superior opponent like Arc. The later explicitly the strongest being in the entire setting. Ciel when fighting Noel was face-tanking everything Noel could throw at her, her immortality didn't even enter the equation.

>> No.43930296

>>43930254
1. Vlov fighting with barely any blood because he wasted it on the previous day and didn't have a way to restore it before the fight

2. Vlov fighting within 100 black keys barrier which could disintegrate lesser vampire so he also get a nerf

3. Ciel using virgin pain + immortality combo which gives her literal cheat "god mode" like in old games for as longh as she got mana

Still gets btfo btw

>> No.43930319

>>43930296
1.This argument makes no sense given Vlov gets stronger the less blood he has. As stated by Shiki.

2. It's never stated Ciel's barrier can disintgrate lesser vampires.

3. She needed those in order to fight Vlov and protect the city at the same time. Which again, comes down to compatibility.

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>>43930289
>Where is it stated being injured in the neck makes her vulnerable? She wasn't holding back her power at that point.
Are you retarded? She's literally bleeding all over the park how the fuck she's not supposed to be vulnerable? Also use your fucking brain. If her attacks with black key litertally only worked in that one scene, while it didn't do shit few days back or when she got btfo in her normal end, what could that mean?

>> No.43930343

I don't even know what you're arguing about

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>>43930319
>2. It's never stated Ciel's barrier can disintgrate lesser vampires.
t. Speedreader

>> No.43930361

>>43930347
Fair enough. That implies his IB is protecting him since a rank VI DA without IB is also an ordinary DA.

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>>43930296

He also get a nerf X

He show his second form with NEW more powerful weapon (black spear)
Ciel route Vlov is more active and powerful than Arc route

>> No.43930426

>>43930319
>3. She needed those in order to fight Vlov and protect the city at the same time. Which again, comes down to compatibility.
She literally can use it in any fight she wants because it grands invulnerability. It also sounds like a perfect counter for Forest of Einnashe. It's main danger comes from the fact that you need to reach the centre while getting constantly attacked. With virgin pain combo it would be quite literally walk in the park

>> No.43930433

>>43930076
>second half of the fight literally portray ciel x shiki insane compatibility and how they managed to take vlov together
>b-but my waifu did everything!!
god, i fucking hate EOP

>> No.43930470

>>43930433
Every moment of the fight literally portray arcueid x shiki insane compatibility and how they managed to take vlov together.

So arcueid is weaker than vlov? she didn't even finished him

>> No.43930493
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vs Vlov in a nutshell
Arcueid route: Shiki (main) Arcueid (support)
Ciel route: Shiki (support) Ciel (main)

Without all the bullshit
This is all about vs Vlov

>> No.43930544

>>43930470
I don't understand why are you keep bringing Arc argument when entire gimmick for her route towork is that she's weakened after getting killed with MEoDP. Are you trying to say that full power Ciel >Arc at 1% of her power? Sure but that's not really impressive point

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>>43930269
It really was just some dumbass trying to pass off his own headcanon as fact. Statements for the old continuity don't matter and Ciel is easily BA material even without immortality.
Mario who is the highest authority in the Church wanted to preserve her corpse even, both out of respect for her and also because she can possibly revive in the future.

>> No.43930578

>>43930544
> Are you trying to say that full power Ciel >Arc at 1% of her power?

Ciel already destroy her body in true end.
Luminous Arc is literally "Arche type earth but suicide bomb" so doesn't count

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>super-dramatic Ciel farewell scene where Shiki accepts they may never meet again and they leave it up to fate
>they could just share phone numbers

>> No.43930587

>>43930579
Why Arcueid fans and Ciel fans hate each other?

>> No.43930598

>>43930578
>so doesn't count
It counts because Ciel still lost to Luminary Arc. She could also cancel her Luminary transformation if she settles down her emotions.

>> No.43930599

>>43930578
>let's count every single weapon given to Ciel by the Church and Roa immortality
>But literal skill that all TA have which is used to regenerate the body doesn't count ok
It's "suicide bomb" if she doesn't move and she started to move only because of Shiki

>> No.43930602

>>43930599
*it's not

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>>43930599
Roa says "If you leave her alone the luminary phenomenon will eventually come to an end. along with the annihilation of the TA known as Arcueid"

If shiki doen't cut Arcueid. She's dead

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>>43930813
Because she started to move. If Shiki wasn't there she would just kill Ciel by throwing her into Event Storage and that would be it
>In addition, once she started walking out of jealousy, she gave up on being a chrysalis. Though the Luminary is ultimately a system meant for returning her to normal, once it is employed as an individual lifeform, even Arcueid will start falling apart at the seams, and eventually completely perish.

>> No.43930899

Ciel True is hilarious
>Roa
>let me interject for a moment
>shits on everyone
>leaves

>> No.43930900

>>43930877
Yeah right whatever she's walking bomb. Not a perfect one.

>> No.43930920

>>43930899
Ciel route Roa killed by Arcueid in day6. He need more role

>> No.43930923

>>43930900
Yeah walking. Normally she's just indestructible phenomenon which regenerates her body

>> No.43930972

>>43930923
>>43930923
luminous arc is incomplete arche type earth.
because ciel destoryed her body. it's literally "emergency evacuation" nothing more nothing less

>> No.43930987

>>43930972
>Though the Luminary is ultimately a system meant for returning her to normal
Learn to read. Ciel got crushed by this emergency evacuation too

>> No.43930992

>>43930923
if shiki leave her alone, she's dead and souya city becoming dust. what a nightmare

>> No.43931018

>>43930987
>Though the Luminary is ultimately a system meant for returning her to normal

What? Though the Luminary is ultimately a system meant for returning her to "dead body"

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>>43930987
Put it plain
Noel's idea blood injector = Luminous body Arcueid

>> No.43931061

>>43931042
They buffed by injector/luminous. But it produce
huge side effects

>> No.43931100

>>43930992
>>43931018
Shut the fuck up gook. Ciel lost to Arc. Arc wouldn't even die in her Luminary transformation if she wasn't chasing after Shiki.

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>if she did the winning thing she would win
>she didn't do the thing that makes her lose she would win!
very smart people in this general today you guys would love the concept of "in character"

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>>43931100

>> No.43931301

>>43931261
you are a whore hisui

>> No.43931335

>>43929993
>she clearly lacks training
She is literally trained by the same man that trained Vlov, for what is likely less time because she isn't hundreds of years old, and better than him. Vlov knows she's better than he is. She knows a good deal of Roa's shit. How is she lacking training.
Roa being a dweeb about grand magecraft being "wasteful" is moot when it doesn't even negatively affect her. She's successfully using homebrewed NP-esque nuclear bombs let's be real for a minute and cut the rhetoric that's absurd.
She still has a lot of room to grow and just Megaman additional DAA IBs in the future too, yes, but acting like Ciel isn't extremely skilled is such a weird cope

>> No.43931396

>>43931301
that's a weird thing to say I haven't seen her drop panties for any gacha protagonists yet

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I can't wait for Red Garden to release so that we can see how Hisui can take on Arcueid or Ciel or Roa without any magecraft related buffoonery.

>> No.43931478

Hisui's only power is sex. Because everyone's powerlevel went up in the remake Nasu also increased Hisui's sex powerlevel so you can get buffed enough before you go to kill Arach.

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>> No.43931498

The maids are sluts!

>> No.43931693

>>43930289
>Injured neck
Shiki killed her again bro. You know what it takes out of her to fix herself.
>Aoko
There is a difference between regeneration and cannot die in how it allows you to fight bro.

>> No.43931738

people sticking to the Roa wasteful statement when he says it isn't even a problem for her on the same damn page really says everything about this argument

>> No.43931747

>>43931335
NTA but Vlov only learned once from Be'ze so if anything he's the one whose more impressive in that regard despite being slightly inferior overall in swordsmanship.
I don't know what the weird cope is. Ciel is a monster and has Roa's knowledge so she's capable of a lot of shit on top of her crazy magic potential but she's just NOT a super genius when it comes to refinement and precision. Like Roa says, she can't even bake bread. Of course, who in the hell is skilled enough to get praise from the goat in the first place? Maybe no one.

>> No.43931833

>>43931747
Yes but it's because she doesn't need to learn this when she can just super charge everything and get away with it with her stupid reserves. It's wasteful that she makes say, 1.3 Calvaria's and uses 1 but it doesn't negatively impact her so why would she care, no one else can make the 1 to begin with. It's a skill a normal person with a realistically limited supply would learn to avoid burning out but she isn't one of those so she doesn't need to

>> No.43931855

>>43930361
I don't think it has anything to do with IB necessarily. From mook to deity they're all Dead Apostles. Probably just a matter of personal strength/curse.

>> No.43931864

>>43931747
>she can't even bake bread
This doesn't make sense. Anyone sane can make bread.

>> No.43931914

>>43931864
shiki asked for a bento, and he is still waiting for it.

>> No.43931918

>>43931864
Not true. Some people just don't have the finesse and overwork the dough and shit.

>> No.43931953

>>43931833
It's more than that. It's also about how its used. Making the very most of the magecraft. It's not just she has so much energy and makes extra shit. It's how skillfully it's being deployed. That's why Roa can take just one arrow and use it to its maximum potential. It's definitely something she doesn't usually need but it's an example of why she isn't a genius in this capacity. Her natural gifts are compensating for the flaws in her technique.

>> No.43932013

>>43931953
You're entirely ignoring the context of the scene you're trying to quote. Ciel didn't use the magecraft in that manner because she didn't need to. At no point is it ever stated she couldn't if she wanted to.
Her goal in that scene was to split the city in two, so she did. There is 0 guarantee Roa's suggestion would have worked either given this is the guy who died 16 times to Arc without managing to kill her even once.

>> No.43932027

>>43931953
Probably right, but I think the situation is different. Ciel wanted it as big and stupid as possible to make Arc kill herself trying to stop it, Roa and Shiki just needed to shut her down for a bit to save her. I don't know if I'd consider their solution more "clever" than Ciel's, but it is just relying on pure overwhelming force to get shit done.
It makes a lot sense that Shiki would learn this really fast though, he's never really been able to brute force his problems like that.

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>>43928573
The funny part is that Arc literally saying "it would be extremely painful.... for you."

>> No.43932171

>>43932158
I told you man.

>> No.43932180

>>43932013
>Lets conveniently ignore Nasu's mouthpiece just this once.
The whole point of the scene is exactly about her lacking technique, cleverness and understanding. She won't come to the same conclusions as a true genius like Roa whose built upon the foundations of magecraft through 17 reincarnations. It's a fact that he could simply preform her own magecraft better than her because microscopic precision is beyond her as we're told. Instead of using a tiny bit of power to fell an elephant she just overkills. That works fine but it is indeed wasteful and leaves her open to being taken advantage of. It's about fine tuning.

As for Roa and Arc. He seems rather sure he can do it in this incarnation and nearly had her in France. But unexpected outside interferences have caused some trouble in both, right?

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>> No.43932271

>>43932180
Roa didn't even do anything special here, though. What's actually clever about what Roa does here really? Ciel adapted the strategy in real time to her first plan failing, stalled Arc out, played around what she knew regarding Arc's abilities though her information was incomplete, and landed her shot successfully by herself. Roa didn't even hit her with it, Shiki did the guidance, Roa just activated it again because he both knows how to and can see that some power is left. You can't even really say he did it "better" than her here. There's no real reason to think that Ciel couldn't have used her own magecraft again if she could move, Shiki can't because he's the dummy and learning all of this right now so Roa has to. It's precisely because of this extra energy that they even have the opportunity to try.
And again, their goals are completely different in these scenes.

>> No.43932452

every tred
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvYkDwApdk0

>> No.43932455

>>43932271
Commandeering someone elses magecraft, bringing it to the limit and finetuning it to a level they themselves can't is what he did while just being a disembodied auxiliary personality piggybacking off of someone whose just had their nerves improvised into magic circuits to enact all of this. Seems pretty ridiculous to me. The point the scene is making is she can't be compared to him on a technical standpoint. If she's using a ship's cannon, he'd get the same result with a .22 because he's getting more milage out the the energy and is able to use it better. The different intent behind the scenes doesn't change the message Nasu is giving us which is just that Roa is the goat. Ciel's still a monster that would have the advantage in most encounters she'd come up against but she's a gorilla in the end.

>> No.43932458

>>43932455
It's not the same result though.

>> No.43932466

>>43932180
>and nearly had her in France
Roa and 5 DAA + some rank VIII/VII.

>> No.43932486

>>43930433
Pretty bad. The whole thing is about their coordination and how working together allows for an advantage to be obtained and the fight to be flipped on its head. Their teamwork forced Vlov to prioritize and leave himself vulnerable.

>> No.43932505

>>43932458
It is a metaphor about her magecraft usage in general. The idea is she's wasteful and you can get by with a lot less power by using it better.

>> No.43932525

>>43932466
Where was it said they tried to gangbang her. I actually don't remember if they specified them taking part in fighting her. Kinda weird if Arc didn't recognize Vlov.

>> No.43932610

In the Strange Fake special Zel mentions something like "That's some he would have considered". What does that mean?
Is he playing 5D chess with CM?

>> No.43932630

>>43932505
...but it would have made no sense for her to do that against Arc in their situation. If Roa (somehow, let's pretend that's a thing he can do by himself) did that against the Arc that Ciel was fighting she wouldn't have had a problem dealing with it, overwhelming force is the reason it works in the first place, surprising and baiting Arc into using her own strength against her before she can realize it's a bad idea. Arc would have just used reinforcement and ate it like a Lunchable in that state if it wasn't that strong.
You're missing the point of Ciel's attack. It's about making Arc kill Arc because Ciel knows that she can't already. It's not even about her own strength, that's the actual clever shit. That's lateral thinking.

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>>43932525
Day 8. The way Roa talks about it makes it rather clear the DAA did most of the fighting. Or at least it was a joint effort.
Makes sense since they needed her for the ritual.

>> No.43932724

>>43932679
That's Roa talking in a schizo way about himself.

>> No.43932728

>>43932630
You're missing the point that it's a general assessment on her capabilities and tendencies. The situation doesn't matter. Ciel doesn't have the capability or personality for such things. Roa never would have done it like Ciel because he knows more about TA and that it's worthless.

>> No.43932732

>>43932724
This is also what I assume.

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>>43932724
Yeah, but the "they" here is referring to the DAA." The text immediately before says quite clearly; "to that end 'they' now gathered".

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So what are some good Tsukihime doujinshis? Preferably comedic, and featuring lots of Akiha.

>> No.43932757

>>43932679
>>43932749
Oh and this is dream segment is mainly Ciel talking to herself as Roa. But it's indisputable that the "they" here is referring to the Ancestors.

>> No.43932761

>>43932755
That one where Akiha masturbates furiously while Shiki fucks the vampire.

>> No.43932767

>>43932728
So then why even make the comparison about Ciel being stupid if Roa's "solution" doesn't even make sense for her. He also never would have done it because he simply can not and never in his life will be able to make this by himself. I don't know why we've stopped acting like that motherfucker isn't 0-16 lifetime against Arc, he's not exactly putting up LeBron numbers here he gets folded like a bitch the vast majority of the time and Ciel's "waste" is the only reason he even gets to shoot his shot, and even then he still needs Shiki to do it for him

>> No.43932808

>>43932749
Why do you think they did most of the fighting against Arc though?

>> No.43932821

>>43932767
The comparison is obviously just to show that Roa is better than her in this regard. Ciel has massive output but she's not a savant.

>> No.43932829

>>43932808
Makes no sense for Arc to not know Vlov if the DAA present did the fighting. We don't know enough about the situation.

>> No.43932841

>>43932767
She only can make the greater magecraft because Roa devised a way for IB and Principles to be inherited in the first place.

>> No.43932863

>>43932841
Dang he should have figured out a way to kill some DAA and use it then huh
very smart but never got around to that

>> No.43932887

>>43932808
Because Roa (Ciel) explicitly says he thought they'd be able to make her theirs. That quote makes zero sense if we assume Roa did all the fighting and the DAA merely sat back and watched.

>>43932829
Do you think cold murder machine Arc is going to have a chat with the DAA?

>> No.43932904

>>43932863
Because he has bigger plans. That shit is just another side project. And it's not like he had any time. He died and then probably figured it all out while concurrently concocting his world killing ritual.

>> No.43932915

>>43932887
No, Arc explicitly never speaks until Shiki. I think she'd remember their existence though. She remembers Ciel and Mario and shit.

>> No.43932923

>>43932887
Arc doesn't even know Zaria is dead until Vlov explains his principle to her
>>43932904
Hence he'll never get to

>> No.43932928

>>43932887
I already told you that's Roa talking about himself. It's much more obvious in Japanese where the whole sequence is done by switching between pronouns. The translators seem to have tried to do that by using 'they' but they've just made it messy by doing so.
>『私』はわたしという肉体を得て、ようやくあの白い女を手に入れられると判断し、そして―――

>> No.43932939

>>43932915
Perhaps she does. But it isn't important or worth mentioning it, especially if she never asked Vlov anything before.

>>43932923
That's my point. Vlov could easily have contributed in the fight against Arc in France yet Arc still wouldn't know much about him once she met him in Souya.

>> No.43932978

>>43932928
He still talks about the DAA as ヤツラ in this scene>>43932749 Both Roa and the DAA had the goal of capturing Arc for the ritual. You still cannot prove Roa did all the fighting, and in context that makes no sense at all.
>その為に、より多くの街を、わたしの街と同じような死都に変えたヤツラが集まってきた。
 わたしの意識はあと少しで燃え尽きる。
 この夜に起きる『世界の終わり』を見届ける前に、呪われたまま消滅する。

>> No.43933004

It's been a while but that scene is so ambiguous about what happened that I could headcanon almost anything.

>> No.43933024

>>43933004
You can't even say the other vampires participated in combat with her with any certainty beyond the uninvited guest. Maybe all they did was kill humans. That's all we see at least.

>> No.43933027

>>43932978
I was never trying to prove that Roa did all the fighting, just questioning the assertion that the DAA did most of the fighting.

>> No.43933054

>>43932939
She makes no note of knowing him at all despite immediately recognizing him as a DAA. I think it is a stretch to assume she fought him in france, didn't realize he was a DAA or anything and completely forgot he's an icey boy for the next time she fought him.

>> No.43933078

>>43932923
>Hence he'll never get to
It's not like he needs Calvaria if he's convinced Ciel Pre-IB and SHIKI can do the job. SHIKI's way more useful with his eyes anyway against something like Arc.

>> No.43933168

>>43933024
Why would an uninvited guest even need to show up then? The DAA were in France to ensure the ritual was a success.

>> No.43933228

>>43933168
Could be anything. They tipped the scales of whatever was happening. Maybe Roa was soloing her and then got ambushed at a critical moment. Or maybe everyone present was fighting her and it happened. Or maybe he had already trapped her somehow and someone showed up and did something to upset the ritual. Could literally have gone anyway with what we don't know. I do think the point about Vlov makes the full on Arc vs everyone scenario seem unlikely.

>> No.43933266

>>43933228
Roa soloing Arc is even more unlikely given Arc's performance vs Powered Ciel in Arc's True. The emotionless killing machine Arc is not only just as strong but also far more efficient and effective across the board.
Vlov isn't important enough in Arc's eyes imo.

>> No.43933280

>『私』はわたしという肉体を得て、ようやくあの白い女を手に入れられると判断し、そして―――
For what it's worth the whole point of this line is Roa thinking that, thanks to Ciel's body, he finally has a chance to obtain Arc so there's no way the other DAA did most of the work. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it was a 1v1.
And we know he almost succeeded before the uninvited 6th:
>アルクェイドはわたしの手に落ち、あと少しで彼女を丸呑みにできるところだった。

>> No.43933314

>>43933266
>>43933280
My guess is that the other guys were doing some support ritual bullshit that maybe restricted Arc and Roa himself (herself?) was about to win (meaning that it was essentially a 1-v-1) until the uninvited guest showed up.

>> No.43933317

>>43933280
Rather sad he failed. Imagine a world with arc being dead for good and Roa being alive and well......

>> No.43933347

>>43933280
I would be very surprised if he did it alone. Given how much Nasu has gone out if his way not to undermine Arc's power and prestige in Remake that would be just awful.
It also makes no sense given Arc's resistance to magecraft, along with everything she has at her disposal.
You'd have to break suspension quite a bit.

>> No.43933393

>>43933266
>Vlov isn't important enough in Arc's eyes imo
It's just logic bro. Arc wouldn't have made a flame-resistant dress if she was previously attacked by an Ancestor who was casually using his powers on the city. They just never fought. The argument that she's 100% senile is not good.

>> No.43933412

>>43933347
I could easily see Roa macgyvering some ancient Age of God entrapment on her especially since he's at the helm of such a strong body. Not only is it a strong body but it's a DA compared to Powered Ciel and on his home turf after he's drained an entire village of sacrifices. He was likely a bigger threat than even Ciel with all her IB and Church gear.

>> No.43933605

Noel infiltrates the school and then gets into a fight with Akiha while snooping around the Tohno mansion, barely escaping the fight. Then she gets in a fight with Vlov, and only manages to weaken him enough for Ciel to take over and beat him. Now she's about to follow Satsuki into an alley.

It looks like my theory from like a week back might've been right about Noel killing her if this is any indication. Or maybe Noel prevents Satsuki from being bitten, who knows. Satsuki route prologue mabye?

Satsuki VS Noel

>> No.43933678

>>43933412
I still don't see a feasible way for him to pull a win because it doesn't matter how much magic power you have Arc will always be more powerful by a significant amount. The Church modus operandi for fighting TA is said to always engage them with multiple opponents of equal power across the board. A 1 on 1 fight is just suicide.

>> No.43933712

Why was the "alarm clocks are degenerate" line deleted for Realta Nua? Was it too stupid or was Shirou actually into something?

>> No.43933788

>>43933712
Shiki is the schizo himbo
Shirou is the survivor's guilt herotist. The alarm clock line wasn't in line with that.

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>>43920214

>> No.43934434

>>43924537
But who does Archer really love?

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>>43932755
I cried for this

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