/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>43616470
That's great, I don't care.

>>43616470
Good, these kind of games should be left dead with the NES

There wasn't really a place to say this because the thread died but ZUN said he finished making the online mode for TH19 today.

>>43616470
Anon posts most horrible take on /jp/, asked to leave 4chan forever

>>43616470
I hope so. I want to get out of this fucking place.

Touhou got spammed all over the internet for literal decades and you're still not satisfied with that?

>>43616470
no one talks about touhou anymore, touhou is literally dead this time anons

>>43616779
I don't think so
>>43616490
No

Cope + seethe + go back to your holonigger general
2hu is eternal

>>43616470
You are right. If he doesn't focus on good gameplay again and decide to rush this one out too, 19 will be just another unfinished and mediocre game that will be forgotten in a few months. Touhou itself will live on because even in the past, it lived on through it's characters and fan content as most people don't even know it has gameplay, but now even the games themselves have become low quality. A shame, I hope ZUN will be able to make a good game again.

>>43618253
TH19 guaranteed to be a mediocre product because he's married. His prime is long over.

>>43618442
What was his best?

Touhou has reclined for the very last time

>>43616470
19 will save Touhou itself, because it'll be the return of Mima. Can't you feel it? Rejoice!

>>43616470
>TH19 won't save the fandom.
Why do you think the fandom needs saving? Touhou, in both the East and the West, has been inclining. Reitaisai this May was allegedly the biggest one yet in terms of attendance.

>>43618521
subterranean animism was peak

>>43618550
Imagine thinking that the Unfinished Dream of All Living Ghost isn't actually referring to Kana. Mima is irrelevant.

>>43616470
I think when his kids get older it will will surpass previous peak

>>43616470
>TH19 won't save the fandom
Does it need saving?

The fandom lives on through the characters. Even if ZUN didn't make any more games it would live on just fine.

And the best game has yet to come, of course...

>>43618589
Most SA shots are janky.
I'm sorry but the peak is not from anything past PoFV. ZUN poured everything into PCB and IN and that's that. The rest are experimental and just ZUN messing around to keep the fandom afloat.
How silly of you to think Touhou as game series was ever "good" when he only hit the mark once or twice.

>>43619131
IN fucking sucks. Sure it is complete and quality over quantity but it's not fun.
At least games after MoF don't feel like they are a chore to play.

It already died when Zun went progressive and started pandering to troons

the entire Windows era has been one big decline

>>43619503
>At least games after MoF don't feel like they are a chore to play.
Except LoLK

>>43619503
Nah, IN is a great game. Well designed and fun, also good practice modes.

>>43619509
if by troons you mean casuals then sure

>>43619131
Game design (shot types, scoring mechanics, etc.) fell off a cliff after PoFV.
Level design (patterns, enemy pacing, etc.) turned to mediocrity only around the time of DDC full version or so. Mainline games really jumped the shark with Seija's gimmick.

>>43619503
>At least games after MoF don't feel like they are a chore to play.
Are you referring to something in particular like the "gotta cap 'em all" aspect of spell practice or are you making a more general statement? If the latter I don't get it.

>TH12: ZUN becomes a buddhist
>TH13: ZUN supports trans rights
>TH14: ZUN supports communism
>TH15: ZUN hates China
>TH16: ZUN supports disabled people
>TH17: ZUN supports furries
>TH18: ZUN supports LGBT
It's over

OK

>>43616470
>ZUN has half a million Twitter followers

He's not ours anymore.

>>43620615
https://youtu.be/Hr4S-Q-SU1M

>>43620702
Sad that shitty mental illness enabling video essays like this will stay on YouTube forever while decent videos will get demonetized at the slightest mention of anything offensive, regardless of malicious intent or not

Is it really all that surprising that Touhou has changed? Touhou is well over two decades old by now. So much has changed since then. Not just in things like indie game development and internet culture, but in ZUNs own life as well. He's a family man now.

Since this thread allows complaints against ZUN, let me just say I find the glorification of ZUN's alcoholism in this fanbase disgusting

>>43620615
Big ZUN W as always. The GOAT can't be beat.

this is not a cat...

>>43620843
Are you muslim by any chance?

>>43621458
No?

>>43620843
His liver has developed such a tolerance to alcohol that he can't live without it

>>43621458
>t. russkies
Alcoholism isn't a good thing retard

ZUN is married? Who?

Does she have big tits

>>43620843
Smoking and drinking is still normilized a lot in Japan and Asia.

>>43616470
Someone should NTR him so that he can focus on games again

Gacha games killed Touhou. It's surprising it's still somehow popular.

>>43621741
Ironically enough the woman who he married is a developer for mobile gacha games

>>43621716
Depends.
If you don't drink responsibly and let yourself drunk while driving or get violent from it like americans of course it's bad.
Meanwhile ZUN despite drinking a lot has never shown even a slight violent behaviour and at best it only made him a little silly. In fact it might what get his gears going.
ZUN seems to have quite strong alchohol tolerance (or maybe he only drink light beer). At worst he'll die from liver failure and still at fairly old age.

>>43620773
Even before he got married, things had already changed a ton within the series on varying levels so I don't get why other anons are so mad about it. It's almost like its a doujin series first and foremost and instead of being some product he's trying to market to you like RAID SHADOW LEGENDS or some shit, it's a series he works on and makes because he finds it fun and makes him some money.

Shocking, I know.

>>43621752
>muh normalized
And?

boo hoo nigga, touhou 6 sucked, 7 was the literal definition of average and 8 is good but overrated

the games are better than ever now, sick of these "NEW = BAD" redditors, go back to watching TheActMan or whatever

>>43621815
Stop coping.
You have no fucking clue what goes under closed doors.
Regardless of how good a person he might be, addict behaviour should not be glorified.

>>43622344
>touhou 6 sucked
Nooooooo! What do you mean?! Flandre is oreno WAIFU, Remi kawaii! The fact that the game needs to be patched to have a basic functionality doesn't couuuuuuuuuuunt!!!!!!!!

Though you are retarded in saying PCB was average.

>>43622357
>You have no fucking clue what goes under closed doors.
And neither do you despite using it as a lynchpin to your argument? I don't agree with anon that he'll die of liver failure at a fairly old age, it's probably going to hit him real bad in the next decade if it hasn't already, but far as either of us know it's Schrodingers Booze. We don't know if he's killed someone in a car crash or beaten his family in an alcoholic rage until observed.

Why are there still no touhou mobile gacha? That's easy billions of yens.

>>43622385
My only argument is saying this shouldn't be glorified.
Am I really wrong in this?

>>43622409
If only you knew how bad things were.

>>43622413
Well, considering how you're posting on a board of people who are addicted to the internet, yes. Addictive behaviour "matters" if it hurts yourself, but it only truly matters if it affects someone else. I could shoot up a dozen different kinds of drugs and so long as I'm not a corpse at the end of the day that someone'll see months down the line rotting for equally as long, it doesn't really matter. And liquor isn't heroin. You could make the argument that his health problems are going to affect his family in the future, and I'd agree with you if he keeps going after a doctor say he's passing into/beyond the danger zone, but as it is where we have no information on that then it's no different than all the americans dying of clogged arteries from a horrific diet of fast food schlock, and you're not pushing to get McDonalds outlawed either.

>>43622434
How should I call it then, since you say I have not enough information to know if it is alcoholism? Excessive alcohol consumption?
Touhou fanbase treating alcoholism as a funny meme rubs me the wrong way.

>>43616470
If by decline, you mean it now has artwork that isn't dog shit, then yes, I agree.

>>43622473
You should treat it as it is; you have no true idea of the mans tolerance to alcohol, which is a genuine offsetter to its many health... disbenefits? I know there's a better word for it but that's what I'm saying. It's not the exact same as say, lactose tolerance, but it's a similar idea. I'm a super lightweight for example, to the point where I once got tipsy off of wine chocolate or whatever its called, so if I drank even a tenth of what he did on stream I'd be losing a few brain cells. In his case from what we've seen and can only assume he's not the violent type, nor do we know how his blood circulation is affected (though clearly not that bad considering he's managed to have a kid) so your problems with alcoholism are basically nonexistent in him.

>>43622495
That's a massive cope but ok.
People don't magically become better versions of themselves, they have to be called out.

>>43622599
At this point we're just going to loop here, because you're on the idea of becoming a better person while ignoring the health problems that come with it, and we've already gone over that at the very start. Tell yourself whatever needs to be told since I'm not really interested in doing that.

>>43622609
I just feel bad for you man. Justifying alcoholism is sad.

Face it, alcohol made mankind.

>>43622613
At no point have I attempted to justify anything, just explained we don't understand the mans bodies or habits outside of what we've seen which as you and I both know isn't his home life.

To put it as simple as possible; people can do stupid things without being bad people.

>>43622619
>People can do stupid things without being bad people
Sure, if that makes you feel better about doing "stupid things"

>>43622643
I hope you're willing to look yourself in the mirror then, given you're posting on this website and have undoubtedly shitposted before then?

>>43622649
I mean, yes? If I did things that I need to be called out for, then why would I forbid people from calling me out?

>>43621815
This isn't just about violent behavior, Alcohol is a serious risk factor for many diseases, not just liver failure/cirrhosis. Not only that but alcohol is a confirmed carcinogen and classified as such (read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_and_cancer))
>ZUN seems to have quite strong alchohol tolerance
Just because he is not getting any symptoms doesn't mean that it's not deterimental to his health, in fact the early stages of alcoholic liver disease (steatosis) are asymptomatic. It is very likely that ZUN has a fatty liver.
>At worst he'll die from liver failure and still at fairly old age.
Again, liver failure is not the only thing he's at risk for, alcohol can affect ANY body system. Also most cases of cirrhosis happen around the age of 45 which is not very old, i think you're being too hopeful.

>>43622896
>t. Pays attention to the list of carcinogens
Stop being a fucking buzzkill my guy, no one is stopping apart from onions people who care about what some organisation says.

>>43622910
>t. short life expectancy

>>43622922
If I only live to sixty, I'll jump into the grave laughing my ass off at your sorry ass who's gonna live another 20 years and not enjoy a day of it.
Stop coping that you're a lightweight, and have a godamn beer like a normal faggot.
If you don't like it, you don't like it, but don't be the sad cunt who gets a moralboner by abstaining and bragging about it, we all think you take it up the ass if you say shit like this

>>43622938
>like a normal faggot
...
do you know where you are?

>>43622938
Bro I enjoy ZUN's games, I can go to bars just fine, but I can also separate art from the artist and call ZUN out on his addict behaviour
Y'all are trying way too hard to paint me as a bad guy here

How did this thread devolve into the effects of alcohol?

>>43623033
Because ZUN is an alcoholic

>>43616470
Moral of the story?
Women, not even once.

>>43623033
Still better than discussing *other* things...
Anyway, i could talk a lot about cancer, alcohol and other medical topics if someone could give me a chance.

>>43620702
Can he even beat Cirno on normal mode in EoSD ? How can you feel yourself pertinent about an entire franchise when you barely pretend to have played the games ?

>>43620843
>>43621657
Hello, fellow BASED and TRAD ANON! We must ABOLISH the DEGENERACY that is alcohol, tobacco and all drugs that have caused THE FALL OF THE WEST and RETVRN to TRADITION!

>>43622938
>have a godamn beer like a normal faggot
But it tastes like shit.

>>43623680
>return to tradition
How far do we need to go back?

>>43623033
I'm more surprised nobody pointed out the tumblrspeak like halfway in. Anon's talking about the devils piss like its a guy who abuses animal crossing villagers and needs to get a callout post.

While on the health topic, we should also get rid of every fat people.

>>43620773
I hate this picture because my nephew called a 3DS retro.

Ive enjoyed every touhou game

>>43623932
Apparantly, liking beer makes you an alcoholic these days.
Wake me up when he starts drinking hard spirits, THEN you can start bitching and moaning about how much the guy drinks.
Fucking teetotalers man, can't have fun these days without it being a mental health issue.

>>43624102
>liking beer
dude drink that shit like its a regular water

>>43624151
And you can't?
Again, wake me up when it's vodka.
Zoomers these days complaining that 4% ABV burns, fuck me.

>>43623680
Are you really going to stop the miko from drinking?

>>43624166
She will drink my cum instead

>>43622357
>>43622413
>>43622473
Why are you even saying this here, in a place full of all sorts of addicts from porn, gaming, shitposting, etc? Of course we gonna glorify alchoholism. It definitely isn't the worst thing most people here could have.
Your notion is so fucking jarring I'd believe you just landed here by mistake. Even Twitter normies aren't so fussy about addiction.

>>43623932
Exactly.
>they have to be called out
Sounds like one of those tumblr bitches who think screaming into the air would bring change to society. Most people here would rather just shitpost about it.

>>43622364
>The fact that the game needs to be patched to have a basic functionality
Eh?

>>43622896
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPz9Fcvb1II

I have no stakes in this argument but I will say that alcoholics are definitely the most hilarious of the addicts. Gigantic arguments like this always spawn from people shitting on alcohol.

>>43624194
I am genuinely in disbelief at the retardation of those fucks.
It's not even glorified alcoholism, he drinks a 12oz cup of beer for the camera, MAYBE he'll lean into it more and do something with a comical amount, but one of those massive multi-gallon mugs would kill you if you drank WATER from it.
He isn't drinking the whole thing, it's for a gag.
And again, as far as I know, he's never drank spirits in public, and thats where most of the danger lies.
It's actually hard to get blackout drunk from beer, since you keep pissing all the time, but sprits don't have enough water in them to have that effect.
However, for the final fucking time, as far as I can tell, he doesn't drink spirits on the regular, so unless he is literally cramming down a 24-pack a day, he should be fine.

Stop sucking ZUN's dick, Aya ain't gonna suck your dick

>>43624290
Shitting on alcohol like it's heroin is dumbfuck retarded.
It's damn near impossible to shoot up on heroin and not be an addict, it's fairly normal for people to have a glass of wine, or a beer, or even a dram of whisky, but retards who want to bring back prohibition pull out all the arguments that you'll find from back then, with no mind to the millions of people who aren't alcoholics that drink alcohol.
I hate teetotalers, they piss me off with their moralfagging.

>>43624291
He'd be obese if he was knocking down 6 packs a day unless he has the best fat-burning genetics of all time

Feels like most of the fags complaining about games here are /v/ and /bant/ newfags who decided to try them after years of jerking off to the porn and looking at the shitty memes.

>>43624173
It's not alcohol, what if she beat you by being more nervous without sake?

>>43624314
My point exactly.
He just isn't even drinking all that much, and here we have fags who call him an alcholic.
If a beer a day is going to turn you into a wifebeater with a failing liver, they'll shit themselves when they hear about what I fucking drink.
I wish I could reach through the screen and bitchslap some morons sometimes.

Anons can deny deny deny all they'd like but ZUN is a borderline alcoholic and I'm sure a decent chunk of you are full blown alcoholics yourselves. Its okay, you're brain isn't working right, addictions are a bitch. Hopefully it'll get resolved soon.

>>43624422
How about you get down from your high horse and stop being a fucktard, anon.
I don't need a fake ass chart on grief to know you're being a dumbass.

>>43624422
Nah I like to keep my addiction to booze, games and shitposting on imageboard even if they'll kill me, Thank you.

LoLK blew my mind and I haven't felt that way about a Touhou game since. Could be the schizo meds they put me on IDK.

>>43623680
But Abbot Monks are known for their beer, wines and alcohol.

>>43624326
I wonder how much overlap there really is between 2hu porn addicts and people who actually play+enjoy the games.

>>43624828
/egg/ and Touhou gameplay thread's activity should show as much.

>>43624272
Hitboxes. And I guess technically windows 10 support but that I don't think anyone would call that basic functionality when compared to hitboxes.

>>43624910
>Hitboxes
They are not a basic functionality, i beat the game fine without it, and some people download patches to remove them in the later games.

>>43622344
Uhm actually anon Touhou 6 is the best one because it introduced Sakuya

>>43625316
shut the fuck up

>>43625316
You're just gonna let >>43625400 talk to you like that?

>>43622344
I don't even know who that person is, but EoSD had issues, yes. Input lag, RNG patterns and a generally cheap quality compared to LLS or MS. However, 7 and especially 8 are very well designed games and while I respect your opinion, I do not see in any way how UFO, DDC or especially stuff like TD and LoLK are better than those in any way beyond characters, story and all the other stuff.

>>43625244
You beating the games without them doesn't mean they're not a basic functionality much like Focus. I personally don't think it's that important either, the only patches I think are actually needed is to fix the Aero breaking it tends to do, but EoSD is the unarguable outlier in the Windows generation.

>>43624910
The one really important patch in my opinion is for disabling Vsync.

>>43627300
>EoSD is the unarguable outlier in the Windows generation
Unarguable? Really? Just because it doesn't have visible hitboxes?
Well, anyway, do you mean that this is a bad thing? I think EoSD is rather well-balanced around it.

>>43627477
Not him, but I agree.
EoSD plays a lot like the PC98 games, and I think a few of the patterns might have been copied, not to mention the bullet designs are just higher resolution versions of the PC98 ones.
Doesn't mean it's a bad game, I like it just fine, and the patch you need for it is linked with directsync, since it was made 20 years ago it's not the worst thing to have to do.

>>43616553
Yeah, because BeatMARIO asked him to. ZUN didn't originally plan to have an online mode for TH19, but BeatMARIO kept asking it constantly, which made ZUN make it.
https://twitter.com/richard_effendi/status/1663529075737264128

I hope the netcode isn't as laggy as PoFV's, where you need 2 different patches to make the online mode work properly. Surely the Steam version has a decent netcode, right?

>>43630011
>ZUN didn't originally plan to have an online mode
Holy hell it's 2023 old man, get with the time

>>43623018
>yall
i fucking knew it was a tranny with a moralboner

>>43627477
Well not just because of the hitboxes, but like the other anon said it really is just PC98-2. It was the first game out of the gate into a new OS and engine.

>>43630011
He said they tested it with an overseas opponent and it worked well so hopefully it's decent. ZUN said he won't be able to tweak it though so what we get is what we get.

>>43630991
We should do those versus matches in the /jp/ gaming thread

>>43630011
The craziest reveal from that stream was At the Harbor of Spring originally being a song ZUN composed when he was at university.

>>43630011
>>43631049
Any other big things from that stream, aside from whats in that thread (mostly about TotK) as I can't into nihongo?

>>43623018
>Y'all
nigger

>>43630031
ZUN seems to really banking on the single player.
He made a big deal about the intertwining paths, changing locations, and the amount of battles you will have.

>>43631442
He (again) mentioned there'd be lots of new characters.

>>43632408
How lots?
Do you think we'll get 5 or 6, or just 3 like the previous Phantasmagoria?

>>43635148
He will reintroduce old character like Alice he had forgotten about and thinks they are brand new. He found them on a old art stash he kept on his basement.

>>43635148
It sounds more like we're going to get the same number of new characters as we usually do so like 7.