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>>43422002
I summon the kizuna discord link trannies.

>>43422111
I summon deep vein thrombosis inside you within the next 10 days.

What the actual FUCK is Ryukishi doing at Reitaisai?!?!

i summon the kanontrice

>>43422111
The link was posted in theaters thread

>>43422111
Why? You want to go there off you go. Fucking no need to subject anyone else to it. Niipah!

>>43423158
>Well, the point is that due to using looping without enough power weird shit happens.
But Saikoroshi showed that Hanyuu did have enough power for 2 loops instead of 1, the memory thing in Matsuri isn't actually addressed.
>>43423184
Nothing in Matsuri is akin to what Satoko's problem required. Rika has zero idea how to tackle Satoko's stubbornness.
>suddenly lashes out and blames Rika for everything that's going wrong there
No, she thinks Rika ratted her out to the teacher because nobody else could possibly know about her trap making, and even then she doesn't hold a grudge against her yet. Also of course being active like in Minagoroshi would have solved the issue because Satoko did require Rika's help, and by rejecting it she was doomed to a life of misery and loneliness at school.

>>43425210
In fact it's literally the same cause of every personal conflict Higurashi: lack of communication, fear of being honest with others, which leads to misunderstandings. Satoko sitting down with Rika would have let her realize that her fear of Rika genuinely becoming something she hated was unfounded and that she was still the same meeper she knew (looper part notwithstanding) deep inside. She also would have learned that it was her friend who ratted her out, not Rika (though this chat should have happened before Satoko even felt the need to set up the trap in the first place), and finally she also would have performed better at school with Rika's help.

molesting satoko in her sleep with her brother's approval.

>>43425893
I don't doubt that has happened to her it would certainly explain a lot.

>>43422002
Takano. A decent villain before the atrocity that was sotsugou.

>>43426597
Takano was shit back then too and her reasoning for killing thousands of people was always retarded.

>>43425210
>But Saikoroshi showed that Hanyuu did have enough power for 2 loops instead of 1, the memory thing in Matsuri isn't actually addressed.
She outright says she doesn't have power though. I pointed out the dialogue. In the end, when she attempts to use it without power, something freaky and odds happens, it's just the error that's different between Matsuribayashi and Saikoroshi, but it's an error, not something that's meant to happen, so be unstable isn't odd.

>Nothing in Matsuri is akin to what Satoko's problem required. Rika has zero idea how to tackle Satoko's stubbornness.
Matsuribayashi Rika wasn't willing to just sit still while her friends suffered and was willing to sacrifice everything to help them, giving herself to the Mountain Dogs.

>No, she thinks Rika ratted her out to the teacher because nobody else could possibly know about her trap making
She lashed out and was calling Rika a traitor long before that in the anime.

>Also of course being active like in Minagoroshi would have solved the issue because Satoko did require Rika's help, and by rejecting it she was doomed to a life of misery and loneliness at school.

My point is that the part about being active she learns in Matsuribayashi again. The only part she wouldn't know is Satoko blaming and punishment herself for things that aren't her fault, but that's unrelated to what goes on in the Gou anime.

>>43426830
As opposed to final boss Satoko? A yuri crush that involves centuries of looping and repeatedly murdering all her friends, just because she can’t study? Also it completely blows away the ending of the original VN. Loop yourself to death, worthless schizo poster.

>>43426871
>and punishment herself
Punish*, moron.

>>43426974
Don't reply to him, he will just go "well the og was also bad" without having seen it. If he had done so , he'd know that Takano has the perfect motivation for her actions.

>>43426597
At least they didn't ruin sexy Takano a lot, unlike satoko and the rest.

>>43426830
Takano would've been a great villian if she actually faced punishment for her actions instead of just saying it was all because she was L5 despite killing Rikas parents and planning on murdering the entire village before even going there

>>43426871
Nice shitsugou posts idiot secondary wannbe oldfag. Rika is in the right

>>43425893
Can this cringe team fags fuck off? Kill yourself shito*oposter

So retarded rikahaters goal evading and shifting the topics right before my eyes?

>>43426974
Please quote the part of the post where I even remotely mentioned Gou, dumbass.
>>43427795
I did read it though, Takano's "motivation" sucks ass.

>>43426871
Why youre reply to both of those reply quotes? Are you samefagging?

>>43428557
I was dumb and posted the first reply before addressing the entire post. The 2nd reply addressed the rest of the post. It wasn't two different replies pretending to be different replies to the same quote.

>>43428151
Did she actually have L5 or was it just a cover by Tomitake? I always thought it was him trying to give Takano a path of redemption

>>43428701
She was scratching herself but all over her body, not just the neck, so it's left ambiguous. There is a scene right before the climax where she seems to hear a voice pushing her forward, which would point to hallucinations, but the scene itself is framed in a way where it could be just a metaphor for her thought process too. So, there's evidence she was going L5 but it's left ambiguous enough.

>>43426871
>She outright says she doesn't have power though
But your argument literally was that her lack of power was the reason Rika couldn't remember Mina, which we now know is bullshit. Claiming that it coincidentally applies to two completely separate effects is just cowardly and lazy, not to mention inconsistent and unaddressed anyhow. It would make sense if Rika also had zero memory of Matsuri in Saikoroshi because then it would be consistent with the theory that lack of power = lack of memory.

>Matsuribayashi Rika wasn't willing to just sit still while her friends suffered and was willing to sacrifice everything to help them, giving herself to the Mountain Dogs.
>My point is that the part about being active she learns in Matsuribayashi again.
Just like Tsumi Rika when she risked her life to fight off Rena right as she was about to cleave Keiichi in two, doesn't mean she knew how to deal with Satoko at all afterwards and gave up even though she was beginning to become hopeful in that loop.
>She lashed out and was calling Rika a traitor long before that in the anime.
She literally tells Rika in front of all her friends to stop acting like something she's not, meaning she still thinks Rika's playing dumb but just taking things too far to fit in. Right afterwards she thinks about setting up the trap to "remind" her of her roots in a completely playful manner because she's still certain that Rika hasn't changed and thus hasn't betrayed her yet. Even after all the consequences that happen as well as the teacher making her think that Rika ratted her out, at the end of the school semester she doesn't even want revenge or anything, she just becomes depressed and wants nothing more than to go back home and reminisce about the one time in her life that she was happy.

>>43428701
She saw "Hanyuu" before the true matsuribayashi began, remember, suffice to say she was under L5

>>43428837
L5 victims can't see Hanyuu though.

>>43428554
Takano's motivations are far better than Yasu's. Even, truth be told, all R07 villains sucks, all of them..

>>43428867
Nothing that happened to Takano warrants killing thousands of innocents. She's fucking stupid, even Okonogi explains how retarded she is at the end.

>>43428837
I'm pretty sure that scene didn't actually happen and instead was just symbolic of their conflict that was about to begin, because it makes no goddamn sense from a literal standpoint.

>>43428876
The maasacre has been led to Nomura, Takano's grudge was just used. Yes, she is stupid but the genocide will not happen if Tokyo never interefere in her life.

>>43428905
Duh? Doesn't change the fact that she's fully on board with the genocide to the point of cackling like a cartoon villain right after thousands of people have been unjustly killed by her actions.

>>43428876
Okonogi is so cool. He always wins. I wish he was my dad.

>>43428969
I wish Tomitake was my dad. He almost got to fuck Rena/ snap some pix of her in that one episode of Kira. He's so strong he could just fuck any of the Higus.

I wish I were just Tomi

>>43428793
>But your argument literally was that her lack of power was the reason Rika couldn't remember Mina
It's not an argument, I'm just telling you what's stated in Matsuribayashi. I brought up the Saikoroshi quote too just to point out "Hanyuu running out of power" wasn't something just said once and then forgotten.

>Just like Tsumi Rika when she risked her life to fight off Rena right as she was about to cleave Keiichi in two, doesn't mean she knew how to deal with Satoko at all afterwards and gave up even though she was beginning to become hopeful in that loop.

Tsumi wasn't the culmination of Rika's character development that results in miracle. In Matsuribayashi she gets the others rejecting her help and that doesn't stop her. It's obviously meant to be a Minagoroshi callback.

>meaning she still thinks Rika's playing dumb but just taking things too far to fit in.

That's part of the issue though. She deliberately thinks Rika is making a bad choice and isn't even trying to give a chance to Rika's choice. It isn't tied to guilty or anything, Satoko in spite of pretending to follow her in the anime always thought it was a mistake. Rika telling her she shouldn't punish herself would change nothing, the problem lies elsewhere.

What was the motive behind killing Nagisa and her boyfriend? These arcs don't seem popular, but this plot point is baffling me.

>>43429620
Basically, Nagisa learned about the pills Rena was taking that according to the console arcs are tied to Hinamizawa Syndrome Research. To avoid points being tied together they were killing people who were digging into that.

Remember an odd Tsumihoroboshi flashback Rena has about taking some pills that null her feelings? According to Tokihogushi and Miotsukushi Ura, those pills were developed based on Irie's HS research. They initially null someone's feelings and were distributed illegally several hospitals for tests as psychological medicine, and seemed to be a success, but as turns out, if they continue taking those pills after a while, the suppressed part of the subject's personality becomes a crazy alternate personality, alongside the subject suffering from delusions and sense of persecution... basically behaving similar to a Hinamizawa Syndrome victim. The visions and attack Rena caused before returning to Hinamizawa according to the console arcs weren't Hinamizawa Syndrome, but rather than that this artificial Hinamizawa Syndrome-like behavior induced by overuse of those pills. Same goes to Natsumi's family massacre.

>>43429699
It seemed like Kohei's murder painted a target on the culprit's head for little gain. I figure they'd just kill Rena if they didn't want anyone talking about Placil.

>>43429917
They were just meant to take her away there but she broke out of the car midway through just to accidentally get run over. So, her death ended up getting more attention than it should have. There some dialogue at a certain point where Tomoe talks about how if she hadn't died like that they'd never have been able to connect the dots.

>>43430065
Kohei is the guy the nurse throws out the hospital window as a fake suicide. Tomoe only ends up talking to Nagisa (presumably the reason the killer tries to stage her suicide next and fails) because of Kohei's murder. Which ends up drawing even more police attention to the killers and ultimately brings them down. So why did they kill Kohei? Did this kid have that much knowledge about what Rena was taking before she attacked him?

>>43430287
I can't remember what exactly was up with Kohei's case. He seemed to be suffering from delusions and rambling about Oyashiro-sama after being attacked by Rena, but I can't remember anything about him being involved directly with Plasil. There probably was some connection though, but I really can't remember it.

But why Hanyuu flat as a board sometimes but then also has huge boobs that are big floppy?

>>43430899
she's a flatty when tied to Rika

>>43429363
>It's not an argument, I'm just telling you what's stated in Matsuribayashi
It doesn't actually say that though, Hanyuu doesn't even know why it happened and is just assuming things, but more importantly, like I said, it'd be an inconsistency if what you said was the actual reason because the amnesia doesn't happen in Saikoroshi. You don't leave something like that up in the air and pretend it's not a plothole by making assumptions that are disproven by Saikoroshi in the first place. Maybe Ryukishi forgot or something, who knows, but the hole is there nonetheless.
>Tsumi wasn't the culmination of Rika's character development that results in miracle. In Matsuribayashi she gets the others rejecting her help and that doesn't stop her.
Except her help was rejected in Tsumi as well yet she still went ahead and helped save the loop. Almost like you can't take Rika's actions in one scenario and apply to another because of some spare similarities and vague broad strokes, each person has to be dealt with a in different way. Also the Matsuri example isn't even close to the Mina/Tatari one because the whole reason Rika thinks that's a dead end is because she's seen it happen for over 100 years and she's seen it fail every time, whereas Matsuri is a LOT more hopeful and productive for her since she's still dealing with sane, normal human fucking beings, especially the part where her friends trust all the crazy bullshit she tells them right away. Nowhere near the gargantuan amount of effort that they needed to do for Satoko in Mina, nor does Keiichi teach Rika the lessons she needed to learn in Matsuri like he did in the previous chapter. Also Akasaka had to save the day because the group's efforts alone weren't enough anyways.
>She deliberately thinks Rika is making a bad choice and isn't even trying to give a chance to Rika's choice
Well of course she thinks so, because the Rika she likes is nothing like the Rika in St Lucia and she utterly despises the type of student that school creates. That's just the conflict this time around, and the first episodes of Satokowashi showed that Satoko is in denial about change and the passage of time since she downplays the fact that her friends are graduating and leaving the village. Not to mention Satoko is suffering loneliness and lackluster grades because she's not close to Rika anymore, but therein lies the problem where her pride doesn't let her accept Rika's help, so Rika's choices are indeed affecting her.
> Rika telling her she shouldn't punish herself would change nothing, the problem lies elsewhere.
???
You seem to think I'm saying that the exact same choice of words for Mina are also what Satoko needed to hear in Gou, that's not the case. The overall emotion governing Satoko in both Tatari/Mina and Satokowashi is dumb pride and stubbornness. It doesn't mean that in Satokowashi the answer is that Satoko was "punishing herself" as well, it means that Rika needed to be assertive and deny Satoko's reasoning that led her to become stubborn in the first place and show that her beloved friend hadn't actually become something she despised.

>>43431518
>It doesn't actually say that though
She says over and over about how it's probably because this is the final loop and they can't loop again if they fail here. Then in Saikoroshi she talks about how she doesn't have looping power anymore and the weird loop happened due to attempting to use looping power under those circumstances. There's no contradictions nor forgetfulness, you just seem to want some kind of clinical statement when the whole point of both situations is that they're unexpected failures.

>nor does Keiichi teach Rika the lessons she needed to learn in Matsuri like he did in the previous chapter.
Hanyuu tells Rika the lessons again right in Matsuribayashi. If Rika hadn't learned the lessons there, she wouldn't have moved during time stop. The miracle is supposed to show this is the culmination of her journey.

>it means that Rika needed to be assertive and deny Satoko's reasoning that led her to become stubborn in the first place and show that her beloved friend hadn't actually become something she despised.
The issue here is that Satoko did despise the entire environment and adapting herself to it, to the point of actively avoiding even saying a simple "Gokigenyo" greeting, just because the girls from there liked it in spite of otherwise using fancy high class language. She did despise Rika there. There was no lie or misunderstanding. The only misunderstanding was Satoko thinking that Rika was just "pretending" and would tire out at some point.

The problem on the Rika side is more about how utterly lacking in empathy she seems there to the point of showing no real reaction even when Satoko disappears for days, which is just the story making her out of character in order to create conflict. The fact that even after that she still wanted to return to St.Lucia and held no grievances against it is just unbelievable.

Is there any news about anything umineko or higurashi anymore? Haven't followed anything after sotsugou.

>>43432092
Higu
>21st century story with the children of the original cast
>A prequel story dealing with Oryou's past
>Higurashi Origin soon to be released on console (either a DLC port of Ryukishi's art or a brand new story
Umi
>EP1 stage play
>EP2 stage play announced
Cico
>Ryukishi is working on it currently

jessi kanon DATE

>>43432092
>>43432198
Meguri (manga version of Sotsu) finally got to the new original final arc that had been advertised ever since Meguri started.

i wonder what drunk kanon would be like

Takano is literally like Mewtwo in the movie.
First half you feel for them, their traumatic childhood is very well done, except that... they seem to be good kids, that's part of why you feel bad for them.

So it's stupidly weird when it transitions into adulthood and now they're supervillains seeking revenge, it's like the author couldn't portray a real way to turn that character into an asshole so they just do a timeskip and now they're evil and ready to destroy the world instead of reasonable victims.

>>43428897
>it makes no goddamn sense from a literal standpoint.
That goes for like 90% of the shit in the extra novel arcs too, the series is genuinely best enjoyed the less you think into it

>>43433161
I wouldn't go that far but she definitely wasn't right in the head way before nomura pushed her into carrying out a plan and committing genocide. I don't know why some people think she had an excellent motive either.

>>43432449
Rika the demon slayer

>>43431618
Stop lying shit**ofag/rikahater. Youre a shitsugou picposter. Are you talking about the anime and manga? Irrelevant? shito*o's own fault. Psycho
Shitok* the biggest bitch of vn. Rika literally helped and wanted to be nice about it. And if there was something off about Rika blame the gaslighting writer. Shi*oko dug herself a deeper hole

>>43433773
Neck yourself with haste

>>43433896
Rika is the best

>>43433161
She didn't even get revenge on the actual people who caused gramps to commit suicide, did she?

>>43430899
same reason it happens in Touhou: different artists.

>>43433205
>the extra novel arcs
the what?

>>43434179
Or the evil child-murdering orphanage for that matter.

Every time I close my eyes
I wake up feeling so HORNY
I can't get you outta my mind
Sexin' you be all I see

what did he mean by that?

Who was your favorite ciconia character in phase 1?

>>43431618
>She says over and over about how it's probably because this is the final loop and they can't loop again if they fail here.
Which turned out to be a wrong assumption, not only could they loop again (regardless of the side effects which are still better than permadeath like Matsuri made it out to be) but Rika also didn't lose her memory either. It's like pointing at Tatarigoroshi and claiming Keiichi really could kill people with his mind because of his assumptions. Higurashi regularly uses context to tell us what's true and what isn't, and Saikoroshi shows that the assusmptions in Matsuri were mostly wrong. I don't know why you keep taking character assumptions that were proven wrong as gospel and making up some bullshit about how Hanyuu was somehow right in both arcs. Rika is even alleviated that Hanyuu was wrong about her assumptions in the previous world, even if she is also suffering because of the strange new world she's in.
>Hanyuu tells Rika the lessons again right in Matsuribayashi
All that Rika learns in Matsuri is about trusting her friends from the beginning which was one of the main things crippling her for the past 100 years, that coupled with the fact that she thinks she won't be able to loop anymore is what gives her determination instead of cynicism. Like I said, Tsumi shows that thinking that Rika showed determination before doesn't magically means she knows exactly what to do in every situation. Also Matsuri isn't even the culmination of Rika's character, Saikoroshi is, so I don't know why you keep claiming otherwise.
>The issue here is that Satoko did despise the entire environment and adapting herself to it,
Yes, that's a given, she thought she could handle it so long as Rika was there for her so she wouldn't have to deal with the alien environment alone because she's always had dependency issues.
> She did despise Rika there.
There is no proof of this, as I showed here >>43428793. Also even after she started looping the first thing she did was hug her. All the way through she thinks that wanting to be part of that school is what corrupted her friend and spends the first loops just trying to convince her not to go, almost like she likes Rika but doesn't want her to become something she hates. Even after she goes crazy and murderous, her one goal is to live a happy life with Rika at home, whereas if she actually thought Rika was rotten at the core she would have just tortured her for all eternity.
>There was no lie or misunderstanding. The only misunderstanding was Satoko thinking that Rika was just "pretending" and would tire out at some point.
I understand if you want to wipe Sotsu out of your mind and not remember anything about it but, the whole reason Satoko accepts defeat at the end is because Rika showed her that Satoko was misunderstanding things all along and Rika did care about her even after going to St Lucia and is willing to go as far as resetting the universe. And then they have the talk that they should have had early on where Satoko gives up her pride and explains her problems, to which Rika finally understands. You know, misunderstandings being cleared up.

>The fact that even after that she still wanted to return to St.Lucia and held no grievances against it is just unbelievable.
Why not? Rika has no problems fitting there. It's a prestigious school meaning that it'll help her advance her career and she can still meet up with her friends on her days off like she did in Gou. The whole issue was Satoko, and she already accepted that she doesn't need to be with Rika at all times...or at least, not in corporeal form.

>>43434820
uhhh, I don't really care about any of them yet. maybe in later phases if they ever happen.

>>43434845
For me, it's Miyao, and then Rukhy.

>>43434702
Who is she?

>>43434835
>>43431618
>The fact that even after that she still wanted to return to St.Lucia and held no grievances against it is just unbelievable.
Also, did you forget that Rika had no grievances against TAKANO? Or anyone who's ever made her suffer including Satoko herself? You think Rika can do all that but not be pragmatic about her education?

>>43434835
>Which turned out to be a wrong assumption, not only could they loop again (regardless of the side effects which are still better than permadeath like Matsuri made it out to be)
She outright says in Saikoroshi that the mess was the result of trying to using looping when she had no power left. So, it's not ignoring or contradicting what happened before. It acknowledges she ran out of looping power and this is what happens when she tried to use it in those conditions.

>Also Matsuri isn't even the culmination of Rika's character, Saikoroshi is, so I don't know why you keep claiming otherwise.
Eh, Saikoroshi on THIS point ignores Matsuribayashi though, since the last miracle and the whole thematic point around it about Hanyuu belonging with them and not sacrificing or distancing herself is completely ignored as she's back to just a spirit not mentioned by anyone, without any kind of acknowledgement or explanation from the story.

>Even after she goes crazy and murderous, her one goal is to live a happy life with Rika at home, whereas if she actually thought Rika was rotten at the core she would have just tortured her for all eternity.
My point is that she dislikes Rika when she acts comfortable in St.Lucia, which isn't a mask, but she perceives it as Rika being/changed corrupted. In the end, even after settling everything, they don't go back there exactly because they just understood and accepted an irreconcilable difference.

>Why not? Rika has no problems fitting there.
Because it's a morally dubious place that basically tortures people? Also, it's closed environment separate from the outside world that barely allows leaving, at least as portrayed in the anime, which is just crazy when Rika goes from a prison to throwing herself into another, and then even returning there for more three years after already spending almost two years there. The whole thing is senseless.

And Rika is only going there due to loving Western architecture and style, nothing about professional prospects or anything like that. It being a different environment from Hinamizawa is the only brought up in the show, and even in interviews R07 could only mention the Western architecture stuff.

>>43434933
(continuing)
Also, regarding Rika's development in Saikoroshi, the whole thematic point is that gods and humans are separate and belong in their own realm which completely contradicts Matsuribayashi's conclusion, which is why that part had to be ignored.

Holy shit who cares at this point
did we all suddenly think sotsugou was salvageable or something

>>43434977
No, but its execution was the main issue, especially all the lazy rehashing while at the same time skipping critical scenes like the endless loops Satoko went through that we only learned about at the very end of Sotsu through a casual mention which would have helped understand her descent into madness more back then. We came up with countless theories during its airtime that were far more interesting than what ended up happening. And some things that we thought were clues ended up being irrelevant and/or plotholes. As far as realistically salvageable goes, the manga version is at least better.

>>43435044
>its execution was the main issue
Is it though? I think the whole idea of turning Satoko into a looper that commits murder is pants on head retarded in the first place.

>>43434923
LamBLACKEDelta, the Spade Witch of Certainty

>>43434702
Gem

>>43435072
I mean, theoretically speaking any idea can work if done right. With enough and well-written reasons, any villain can become sympathetic.

>>43435072
>>43435137
getting rika's pussy all to yourself for all eternity is the single most relatable motivation in human history though.

>>43435044
I think there are many core problems, the story just wasn't thought out well enough, probably since R07 only wrote an outline rather than fully writing out an actual story.

>Rika's dream is empty and basically born only out of the trauma of her loops.
This would be fine if the series portrayed it as a bad thing, but considering how it's still her ending in the epilogue, it clearly wasn't handled like that. They couldn't make it an actual meaningful dream/goal (for example, in Mei's she's getting into St.Lucia for contacts and attempting to get into important positions in the future, explicitly referencing Takano) because then Satoko revolting against it would be completely unsympathetic, so it needed to be this mystifying empty goal, and yet Rika is stuck with that to the end.

>Bringing back everyone just to kill them without any kind of message would obviously get backlash in the end.
If the old characters were going to be brought into the tragedies, there needed to be some meaning to it.

>Answer arcs from Satoko's point of view as she kill beloved characters were just a bad idea.
This just made her more unlikeable. That format would never help as long as she was killing characters people love over and over. Meakashi Shion, unlike her was part of a tragic narrative that led to her death, and at least her victims were tied to her motivations.

>Confusing ending message.
The series tries to be more "grounded" than the original Higurashi in the end. Rika and Satoko have differences that can't be settled and go their own way. But at the same you have a magically changed Teppei hanging around and Satoshi just waking up out of nowhere. "Reality" in the end seems to apply only to Rika (which is why the anime doesn't even show her again once the epilogue starts).

>>43434702
Le BBC girl

>>43434933
>She outright says in Saikoroshi that the mess was the result of trying to using looping when she had no power left.
She also outright says in Matsuribayashi that Rika will not be able to loop again, period. So it contradicts that. And she also thinks that the fact this is the last loop may be the reason why Rika doesn't remember anything and she's not even sure about it, no different from the countless other assumptions every other character makes, that's all we get. If Matsuri had been the final arc then we could assume it was the lack of power, but no, Saikoroshi went ahead and disproved that. Again, it would be an inconsistency otherwise.

>Eh, Saikoroshi on THIS point ignores Matsuribayashi though, since the last miracle and the whole thematic point around it about Hanyuu belonging with them and not sacrificing or distancing herself is completely ignored as she's back to just a spirit not mentioned by anyone, without any kind of acknowledgement or explanation from the story.

I mean, that's not really the point here, that's how the story goes regardless of our personal criticisms about it and it does feature very important details about Rika's character. and honestly Matsuri was more of feel-good victory story (well, the latter half at least) for Rika where even a 1 in 100 years-tier luck needed to happen in the form of Akasaka appearing. I mean from the beginning of the Matsuri loop before even knowing who the culprit is, Rika is already not being the extremely cynic cunt that she was at the start of Mina where she can barely keep up the meeper act and tells Keiichi she knows which game they're going to pick, even though in both arcs her last memory was that of Tsumi and is what led her to become bitter in Mina. She's a lot more hopeful, emotional and determined in general this time around and loosens up her distrust of her friends a lot quicker with a lot less effort involved, so Saikoroshi was definitely a more return to form of the bitter bitch we all know, and we do see her soften up there in a more natural fashion rather than the cute little meeper she already was in Matsuri.

>My point is that she dislikes Rika when she acts comfortable in St.Lucia, which isn't a mask, but she perceives it as Rika being/changed corrupted
I mean you said "she did despise Rika" and I responded to that. I myself pointed out that Satoko dislikes Rika potentially turning into one of those people. But the thing is that Rika is trying to fit in but at the same she still not actually becoming one of those people who hate plebeians and the common folk you know, it's not so black and white, that's why she doesn't join in their jeers against Satoko and actually offers her help. She still is shown to enjoy her time with her unelegant friends back at the village afterwards too.
>Because it's a morally dubious place that basically tortures people?
See >>43434928

Also the whole torturous experience only happened to underachievers and delinquents, which Rika isn't. Rika is also familiar with strict discipline as a result of her father's violence against her, and we don't even know if Rika even knows about the school's prison or the underachiever class that doesn't allow school breaks, because Satoko never told her.

>>43434923
Lady BWC
>>43435523
Wrong.

>>43435597
>She also outright says in Matsuribayashi that Rika will not be able to loop again, period.
She says in Saikoroshi, the whole thing happens due to attempting to loop when she had no power to loop anymore, so it's directly acknowledging the Matsuribayashi lines about it being the last loop, even if you think they aren't being handled well or it's a cop out.


>I mean, that's not really the point here, that's how the story goes regardless of our personal criticisms about it
On the other hand, this is another matter. Saikoroshi on this point just avoids acknowledging Matsuribayashi at all. It doesn't address Matsuribayashi and says the ending was wrong or pointless, it just avoids the matter altogether and does its own thing in spite of contradicting Matsuribayashi. Saikoroshi just undoes a big moment from the ending, and the whole thematic focus of Saikoroshi clashes with the themes of that scene too without a single word of acknowledgement. Saikoroshi's -Rika was thinking of herself as a god when she's just a human and needs to live like one, gods and humans are different and from different worlds, when everything is peaceful Hanyuu will leave the human world- vs Matsuribayashi -Hanyuu belongs here, alongside us, and this miracle that not even her could accomplish is proof of that. there's no need to throw cards away, everything belongs in this world-.

>I mean from the beginning of the Matsuri loop before even knowing who the culprit is, Rika is already not being the extremely cynic cunt that she was at the start of Mina where she can barely keep up the meeper act and tells Keiichi she knows which game they're going to pick, even though in both arcs her last memory was that of Tsumi and is what led her to become bitter in Mina.

She's actually extremely optimistic at the start of Minagoroshi. It's only when she sees Keiichi didn't keep his memory of the last world that she gets disappointed. In Matsuribayashi, on the other hand, from the start she has the oddity of Hanyuu taking human form which becomes her focus and then Hanyuu tells her what happened in the last world, so there's no space for the whole "Rika goes cynical because she realizes Keiichi isn't keeping memories like she does" part.

>Also the whole torturous experience only happened to underachievers and delinquents, which Rika isn't. Rika is also familiar with strict discipline as a result of her father's violence against her, and we don't even know if Rika even knows about the school's prison or the underachiever class that doesn't allow school breaks, because Satoko never told her.

I mean, she sees Satoko disappearing for days after the incident. And I don't think the Takano and Satoko comparisons are really valid. It's not like St.Lucia's principal admitted mistakes and changed. Rika also didn't like her parents' traditional ways and is ready to abandon the Furude Shrine stuff in all versions of the story we've seen. It's part of what makes her St.Lucia desire baffling, it's a prison in the middle of nowhere with no contact with the outside world, when you'd think she'd want to experience different things. Her Gou/Sotsu motivation really would work better for some distant vacation spot than something she dedicates years of preparation just to lock herself into a closed environment, even though she had no goals beyond the school itself, and isn't even supposed to like studying for itself.

>>43434923
https://twitter.com/wabaki88/status/1653880020199145476
Anna

>>43435833
>/qa/fags can't even edit the right characters

>>43433150
He should treat his plushies better

Are these threads eternally cursed?

>>43436472
That they are, it's a shame I found them right when all the bad things started happening...

>>43434195
console arcs

>>43436472
Yes, you can either have /qa/ schizo spam or boring shit nobody cares about that's been discussed a million times already. Leave this shithole while you still can

>>43435771
Im cringimg so much for witnessing this zoooooomer cringe

>>43436969
I keep offering to discuss my revolutionary new Umineko theory but no one really seems to care

where did the kraussposter go?
where did the zoomer ange poster go?
where did italianon go?
where did humilianon go?
where did sperg go?

>>43437584
Sperg and italianon are in the discord.
Really, all terrible posters are there nowadays.
Zoomer Ange poster was there as well but he was bullied out.

>>43437584
all dead

>>43437584
Sperg died in that car crash...

>>43437778
god i wish

>>43437584
Who?

where did tegakianon go?

>>43434820
Naima

>>43438056
Tegakifemanon left after botching his bottom surgery after all those gender bending dreams he had

>>43438008
Milkadelta

>>43437584
do you mean actual humilianon or the dude sperg kept calling humilianon?

>>43438056
he fucked off a while ago, but he still makes appearances on /v/
pretty sure this redraw of one of his old drawings was him, for example

>>43434245
>>43434179
>>43433560
Yeah it's really stupid, I fell asleep I was gonna reply exactly that; HER MOTIVE IS GOOD, but it doesn't lead to any of her actions.
It's an Oscar-winning story.

Her grandpa's life dedicated to a research she helped with, he saved her life from a murderrape orphanage btw, and all of that gets trampled by some old suits who deemed it too dangerous to let that knowledge be known, humiliate him, and it leads to his death.
But she mans up, enters college, makes all sorts of connections, is all cool doing stuff while (You) (Destructive) plays....

But it somehow leads to her becoming a crazy sadist gleefully laughing at killing little girls, no revenge is enacted upon anyone who treated her badly and she just goes full crazy, killing even Tomitake the one who loved her.

hey retards look at this
this is fucking horrible and i spent on it ~1.5 hours of life

>>43438585
>>43433560
>>43433161

You can kind of see that in Matsuribayashi Ryukishi basically attempts to play down her whole crazy occultist side. No scene in Matsuri ever addressed her writing the various rumors about Hinamizawa syndrome and giving them to people. It's always focused on her grandpa's dream since it's the side that can actually be likeable.

Funny thing is that the manga seems to completely miss this and then adds sadistic Takano stuff like the scene with Rika's mother. (she is said to want to use Rika's mother for research when they go eliminate her, but that's all in the VN. It's the manga that shows her gleefully operating her with her conscious).

SATOKO NOOOOOO

>>43438887
I'm a newfag on all this 07th Expansion stuff. Can anyone please tell me where does all these blacked draws and basedjaks came from and put me out of my misery?

>>43439029
I mean basedjacks, I'm retarded.

>>43439029
/qa/ latched onto 07th Expansion back when it was active and they've never entirely stopped. Probably coming from a discord server.

>>43438876
I always thought her character transitioned in a disjointed way, but her motive to kill I think came from the idea of "becoming a God" that her grandpa implanted in her. By the time her mental state is deteriating because of the pending end of research on the Syndrome, she decides that her "immorality" is to kill a ton of people and become "Oyashiro-sama".

I thought that made her motivations sensible, and if Ep. 8 had acknowledged her occult obsessesion it would have been a smoother transition. It would explain why the thought occurred to her to begin with.

>>43438334
>>43438008
Why blondecunts are qaniggers

it's because Ryukishi only thought up Takano's backstory when he was writing Matsuribayashi

>>43435816
>She says in Saikoroshi, the whole thing happens due to attempting to loop when she had no power to loop anymore
You may be misreading my posts because I am not disputing the fact that Hanyuu ran out of power. I'm pointing towards the assumptions Hanyuu made in Matsuri that were shown to be wrong in Saikoroshi. For all we know none of those discrepancies were meant to happen and Hanyuu might have been right all along at first, but then Ryukishi got the urge to write Saikoroshi and needed to come up with an excuse to justify Rika looping again even though Matsuri said it was her last life, which as a result created this discrepancy. Matsuri definitely feels like it was meant to be the original conclusion.
>On the other hand, this is another matter.
I'm not gonna argue with you on that one, this is about something else entirely, let's leave it at that.
>She's actually extremely optimistic at the start of Minagoroshi. It's only when she sees Keiichi didn't keep his memory of the last world that she gets disappointed.
Well no, before talking to him she monologues that what happened to Keiichi in Tsumi was a once-in-a-lifetime miracle and is the whole reason that she's extremely nervous about asking him just to make sure. She points out that she expected him to be confused and not remember it, she absolutely knows she's most certainly screwed. She also says that she's only going to fight one more time, and even right afterwards she tells the reader that she's having trouble keeping up the meeper act and that the 100 years have taken their toll on her mind. This is also the part where she pessimistically points out that she already knows what's going to happen at the game store. Like I don't know about you but this doesn't seem like a very optimistic Rika to me, she's doing the bare minimum not to crumble, which does end up happening eventually. Also it's not just the beginning of Matsuri that I pointed out either.

>I mean, she sees Satoko disappearing for days after the incident.
Yeah but we don't see if Rika learned why, the story fastforwards until they get invited to the club meetup.
>And I don't think the Takano and Satoko comparisons are really valid. It's not like St.Lucia's principal admitted mistakes and changed.
Rika literally forgave Takano during the time freeze AS she was shooting Hanyuu, dude. Her and everyone else were perfectly fine with Tomitake rescuing Takano. Then the final narration also says that it'd be perfectly ok if Takano returned to the village willy nilly. Rika absolutely cannot hold grudges.
>Rika also didn't like her parents' traditional ways and is ready to abandon the Furude Shrine stuff in all versions of the story we've seen. It's part of what makes her St.Lucia desire baffling, it's a prison in the middle of nowhere with no contact with the outside world
The problem is that you keep calling it a prison when, again, only the underachievers suffer. She was shown to enjoy her time there because engaging with the high society is her idea of the polar opposite of a hick village and she felt trapped in Hinamizawa in the sense that she was stuck in a loop of endless suffering and death for 100 years, not that she was literally experiencing claustrophobia. She has no issues coming back to the village if it means meeting her beloved friends again. For her future to be of that of high society, she needs to be educated in high society first.

Also I think you forgot that Rika already had her vacations. The end of Matsuri shows that Rika was "unusually" excited about summer break that year and wanted to do lots of things that she never experienced before like going to a pool and a camping trip. It would be the last break she'd share with all of her friends together before the graduations began, so she already had her fill of fresh air apparently.

>>43439564
>You may be misreading my posts because I am not disputing the fact that Hanyuu ran out of power.
Then I don't see what's the hole you're attempting to poke here. You want ability working on fumes to run as an exact clock and think there's a contradiction if the error isn't the same every time? Even though the whole point is that the ability is failing.

>Well no, before talking to him she monologues that what happened to Keiichi in Tsumi was a once-in-a-lifetime miracle and is the whole reason that she's extremely nervous about asking him just to make sure.
Nah, you can see from her monologue she's extremely optimist initially. It's just afterwards when it doesn't happen she gets depressed.

>Rika literally forgave Takano during the time freeze AS she was shooting Hanyuu, dude. Her and everyone else were perfectly fine with Tomitake rescuing Takano. Then the final narration also says that it'd be perfectly ok if Takano returned to the village willy nilly. Rika absolutely cannot hold grudges.

The point is that St.Lucia is still going forward with throwing students into what's effectively prison. It's not like the principal had a change of heart. It's still the same school. And we're supposed to think that the same person who was willing to forgive people who attack and betray her doesn't have a single drop of empathy for something like that? It's just extremely out of character doesn't matter how you look at it. It's a situation that exists because Rika reacting to that bizarre scenario breaks the plot if she decided she wouldn't return to St.Lucia.

>For her future to be of that of high society, she needs to be educated in high society first.

She has no "high society" future though. We get no info about any dreams beyond St.Lucia itself. It's an empty shell of a dream, and everything R07 himself has talked about pushes that even more forward rather than suggesting there were more complex ideas behind it that the anime failed to touch upon (like R07 highlighting the architecture out of all things in interviews or in the 20th anniversary event talking about Rika likely wouldn't go on to study for college and would just return to Hinamizawa after being done with high school since she doesn't like studying). Well, I guess it's better than Satoko just ending a series that was supposed to be focused on her completely aimless with no real goal for the future, but we're supposed to look at that as "growth" because she let go of the "Rika" problem, like Rika was somehow responsible for all her trauma that goes completely unaddressed.

>>43439733
>Then I don't see what's the hole you're attempting to poke here
I've said time and time again, that Hanyuu assuming that the little power she had left is what caused Rika to get amnesia in Matsuri is not consistent with Saikoroshi showing that you don't even need power to keep your memories in the first place. It's an inconsistency that isn't addressed, and thus anything we can come up to explain it is just a theory.
>Nah, you can see from her monologue she's extremely optimist initially.
Oi oi, don't conveniently leave out the part I mentioned where Rika says she literally has never been more nervous before since she started looping, optimist my ass. Not that your screenshot shows "extreme optimism" anyhow. This sounds like someone who's at the end of their wit and is reaching out to their last possible hope, which they aren't even sure will manifest. Because for all that she praises Keiichi for, the single deciding factor for her right now is whether or not he remembers the past world. That's why she, you know, gets all down when he doesn't remember.
>The point is that St.Lucia is still going forward with throwing students into what's effectively prison. It's not like the principal had a change of heart
Uhh, what part of "Rika forgave Takano as she was shooting Hanyuu" did you miss? Like, she already was forgiving her before she could even utter a single word of regret. This isn't about St Lucia being redeemable, this is about Rika's inhuman levels of forgiveness to the point that she cannot hold grudges even if the sinners keep sinning. Not to mention, again, Rika enjoys St Lucia, it's her passage to her dream of living in high society and we don't even know if she knows about the prison in the first place.
>She has no "high society" future though.
Well she says that was her dream and nothing suggested otherwise during the anime, and that's what we're talking about here. If Ryukishi had a change of heart then that's a different matter entirely. It's like if I said that you shouldn't bring up Matsuri's lessons because Ryukishi eventually showed that they matter fuck all. Also doesn't Reiwa show that Rika was enjoying her life outside of Hinamizawa? Does he regret that too?

>>43440034
>Oi oi, don't conveniently leave out the part I mentioned where Rika says she literally has never been more nervous before since she started looping, optimist my ass.
She's nervous because it's a new interaction where couldn't use looping knowledge to foresee. She outright says that. And, yes, AFTER it fails she gets depressed. My whole point is that she doesn't have to deal with this scenario and disappointment in Matsuribayashi since her focus is on another first time miracle (Hanyuu appearing physically).

>Well she says that was her dream and nothing suggested otherwise during the anime, and that's what we're talking about here.
No, I'm talking about the series itself, just brought up R07's interview because it shows there's no real intention beyond what's stated in the show. She enjoys the high class high school life, but says nothing about her actual future beyond St.Lucia. It's not a passport to high society. Heck, the only time something beyond St.Lucia is mentioned is Mion saying they should graduate soon and join them in Gogura university, although Rika and Satoko don't reply. It's why I'm saying it's a shell of a dream.

>>43440104
>She's nervous because it's a new interaction where couldn't use looping knowledge to foresee. She outright says that
No, you forgot the part right afterwards where she wonders why she's even nervous in the first place as well. Saying that her looping has told her what to expect at any other point is not the same as saying that any new interaction no matter what is going to make her "more nervous than she's ever been in her entire looping life." We know she experienced never before seen things in Tsumi, yet it's Mina the one that she says it's the most nervous moment ever, almost like there's a very good goddamn reason to be nervous. Remember that she said that Keiichi remembering the past was a once-in-a-lifetime miracle beforehand, of course she's gonna be fucking nervous, it's like trying to win the lottery twice in a row.

>No, I'm talking about the series itself,
The show where even when at the end when they were fighting as passionately as they've ever been Rika STILL goes on about her St Lucia dream? And then the ending happens where she once again leaves for that school and leaves Satoko behind? Excuse me for thinking the anime made Rika's sole goal in life to be to go to that school apparently.
>but says nothing about her actual future beyond St.Lucia
I mean, it doesn't need to, the same way we didn't need to hear the other characters' future job prospects either, that was never relevant to the story. All we needed to know is that they left the village to study elsewhere. It's only an issue now because of the Ryukishi interview. Reiwa also helped cement the fact that Rika did end up enjoying her life outside of Hinamizawa so that just makes that claim even more out of place.

Like, are we sure that part of the interview isn't on the same vein as that other Ryukishi interview from years ago that also detailed the characters' futures with weird shit like "Shion will end up marrying some foreigner instead of Satoshi"?

http://www.komaizm.com/image/interview.htm

>>43440278
>No, you forgot the part right afterwards where she wonders why she's even nervous in the first place as well.
I mean, that's also after she looks at Hanyuu and sees she has a negative outlook. But, either way, my point is that she isn't depressed from the start, it's only after taking a hit there that it happens, and that hit doesn't happen in Matsuri.

>The show where even when at the end when they were fighting as passionately as they've ever been Rika STILL goes on about her St Lucia dream? And then the ending happens where she once again leaves for that school and leaves Satoko behind? Excuse me for thinking the anime made Rika's sole goal in life to be to go to that school apparently.

That's my point. The only focus was on getting to that school, but with no aim behind it aside from the school life itself. That's why I'm saying it's a shell of a dream. She never talks about actually entering in adult high society, getting connections for the future or anything like that. The school is the end goal by itself.

>I mean, it doesn't need to, the same way we didn't need to hear the other characters' future job prospects either, that was never relevant to the story. All we needed to know is that they left the village to study elsewhere
It's important when it's the entire cause of the conflict and involves throwing away all the previous "I just want to live happily alongside my friends" stuff from the VN. Especially when the ending is "your goals are incompatible and you must go your own way", while Satoko has no goal and Rika's goal is a meaningless shell.

>Like, are we sure that part of the interview isn't on the same vein as that other Ryukishi interview from years ago that also detailed the characters' futures with weird shit like "Shion will end up marrying some foreigner instead of Satoshi"?
That interview is pre-Minagoroshi, and R07 originally intended to keep Satoshi dead. It makes much more sense when you consider that. Note that even in Minagoroshi Rika references Satoshi like he's dead in monologues. And even now it's clear R07 has no idea what to do with a living Satoshi in the first place. Because he was never supposed to be alive.

>Reiwa also helped cement the fact that Rika did end up enjoying her life outside of Hinamizawa so that just makes that claim even more out of place.

Reiwa also has a Rika who dislikes staying in any place for too long, which absolutely doesn't fit choosing to go to St.Lucia. Although in general R07 seems to disregard Reiwa in interviews about future stuff unless it's about Reiwa itself, like in the last Pomegranate stream (https://youtu.be/qmlnj-wc0-Q?t=1461)) when asked about the club members' heights as adults, R07 says that he sees them more or less like Gou/Sotsu college designs for the older members, although Satoko is a dark horse who would surpass at least Rena and Rika wouldn't grow at all anymore.

Meanwhile, Reiwa Satoko is shorter than Rika and even seems shorter than Kihiro and maybe Tamaki.

>>43440525
>rika in the foreground
>satoko in the background
>this was the last time they met as friends
What did height autism anon mean by his rant?

>>43440525
>I mean, that's also after she looks at Hanyuu and sees she has a negative outlook.
I don't think that's relevant, I already explained the extremely low odds (from her perspective) of what Rika was trying to accomplish which of course would her and anyone else nervous.
>But, either way, my point is that she isn't depressed from the start, it's only after taking a hit there that it happens, and that hit doesn't happen in Matsuri.
But I just explained she was pessimist from the beginning, and the only thing she had in Mina was an extremely faint hope that she said could only happen once in a lifetime, so of course she'd not have much confidence in it happening a second time. In Matsuri she doesn't display this hint of nervousness, Hanyuu is there, but she alone can't save her. Also like I said before, it's not just the beginning of Matsuri but all throughout it, like how Rika loses her distrust of her friends a lot quicker to the point of spilling the beans about her secrets with a lot less effort required compared to when she did it in Mina.
>That's my point. The only focus was on getting to that school, but with no aim behind it aside from the school life itself.
She said it was to get into high society because she wanted the complete opposite of the environment that she had been stuck with for 100 years.

>involves throwing away all the previous "I just want to live happily alongside my friends" stuff from the VN
It doesn't, it's no different from her friends also leaving Hinamizawa to pursue higher education. It's inevitable that they separate but it doesn't mean they can't have meet ups, that's just life for you. Rika was shown to be perfectly fine going back to the village to reunite with her friends. Friends separating due to education and eventually jobs and dreams (like Rika travelling the world in Reiwa) is entirely realistic and expected.

>That interview is pre-Minagoroshi, and R07 originally intended to keep Satoshi dead.
I mean that's just an example, it also says that Rika was meant to be an entrepeneur working for a high stakes company, not stay in Hinamizawa.

>Reiwa also has a Rika who dislikes staying in any place for too long, which absolutely doesn't fit choosing to go to St.Lucia
Okay now you're just grasping at straws here, there's a difference between someone enjoying their adult life with seemingly enough financial support to the travel the world and someone who is serious about going to a prestigious boarding school in order to enjoy that fancy adult life in the first place. Come on.

>>43440713
They're holding a plate together, it's not like someone is standing behind the other.

I think you forgot how short Rika is in Gou/Sotsu. And she's supposed to be done while Satoko would grow enough to at least surpass Rena according to R07's explanation there.

Man Euphoria was not the Umineko style story I was expecting from how that girl that looks like Beato. I guess you could say it was kind of shitty

>console arcs mention satoko having a sleepover at rena's multiple times
Please tell me there is at least fanart of this. The idea is too cute to waste.

>>43438601
SOVL
>>43438585
>But she mans up, enters college, makes all sorts of connections, is all cool doing stuff while (You) (Destructive) plays....
>But it somehow leads to her becoming a crazy sadist gleefully laughing at killing little girl

Back during Sotsu speculah I was thinking the Yakainu were going to be good guys killing every club member who were secretly loopers to You Destructive. You know, cause looping children are more like monsters than children

>>43440849
>But I just explained she was pessimist from the beginning,
I outright posted dialogue showing she was positive though. Your argument all comes from stuff that she says after she starts getting hit by Hanyuu's negative outlook and then Keiichi's reply.

>In Matsuri she doesn't display this hint of nervousness, Hanyuu is there, but she alone can't save her. Also like I said before, it's not just the beginning of Matsuri but all throughout it, like how Rika loses her distrust of her friends a lot quicker to the point of spilling the beans about her secrets with a lot less effort required compared to when she did it in Mina.

Hanyuu tells her it worked before though. It's not like Minagoroshi's events were a secret. Hanyuu tells her everything from both the conspiracy and Teppei sides.

>She said it was to get into high society because she wanted the complete opposite of the environment that she had been stuck with for 100 years.

She talks about high society in the context of the school, she never talks about anything beyond that. You're the one adding it there.

>It doesn't, it's no different from her friends also leaving Hinamizawa to pursue higher education.
She's going to a school isolated in the middle of a forest, with no weekends or vacations, where they need authorization to leave campus. For any other dream you'd be right, but the situation here is specifically made in a way where she IS outright throwing away all the stuff she said about just wanting to live happily with her friends. None of her other friends are in a similar situation. The epilogue shows everyone together besides Rika since she's the only one leaving to something like that.

>Okay now you're just grasping at straws here, there's a difference between someone enjoying their adult life with seemingly enough financial support to the travel the world and someone who is serious about going to a prestigious boarding school in order to enjoy that fancy adult life in the first place. Come on.

I'm referencing her talking not enjoying staying in the same place for long, which comes out when she talks about disliking staying in the hospital. Like I said, St.Lucia is a completely closed environment. We aren't talking about a normal school here. If Rika had that issue in Gou/Sotsu no way she'd enjoy St.Lucia.

And like I pointed out, in Gou/Sotsu itself there's no goal beyond the school. It's an empty dream in a place filled with practical and moral issues like I pointed out, Rika can't possibly ignore Satoko being taken away for days and it's standard punishment at that school. So, there would still be people being taken away and receiving that kind of treatment. It's not like anything happens to change it in the end.

>>43440981
>Euphoria
>I guess you could say it was kind of shitty
That made me laugh

>>43441020
>I outright posted dialogue showing she was positive though
I already addressed that here >>43440034. And how exactly can you claim she shouldn't be nervous considering, for the 3rd time, she knows that her odds were getting a once-in-a-lifetime event to happen twice in a row?

>She talks about high society in the context of the school
How does that not apply to what I said? She considers that school to also be high society in itself.
>She's going to a school isolated in the middle of a forest, with no weekends or vacations, where they need authorization to leave campus
Which they get and Rika happily enjoys their meetup with her friends, showing that she still cares about them. I'm not sure why do you keep trying to dodge that fact, as well as that this is an entirely expected reality due to education.
>None of her other friends are in a similar situation
Mion literally cannot attend watanagashi because of her new school, so yes, education also affected her schedule to meet up with her friends, which is entirely realistic. Just because Rika is in a more estranged place doesn't change things as much as you want them to be.
>I'm referencing her talking not enjoying staying in the same place for long, which comes out when she talks about disliking staying in the hospital. Like I said, St.Lucia is a completely closed environment.
I already told you it's an entirely different scenario when someone knows they have to go to school, quit trying to be so desperate here. Also, again, unlike the hospital where she's just stuck there bored out of her mind, Rika enjoys her time at St Lucia and has tea time with those whom she's trying to fit in with. Quit it with the disingenuous comparisons already.

>And like I pointed out, in Gou/Sotsu itself there's no goal beyond the school.
There is no hint that there was no goal beyond the school outside of the Ryukishi interview that contradicts even Reiwa. You go to school to pursue opportunities in higher education and job prospects, that's a given, a story doesn't need to point that out. Ryukishi changes his mind constantly, remember that his philosophy in Higurashi (pic related) is the complete opposite of the one in Umineko regarding not having to show the answers (which he then changed again for the manga and later supplementary Umineko VNs).

>>43441140
>for the 3rd time, she knows that her odds were getting a once-in-a-lifetime event to happen twice in a row?

Because she only starts thinking about that stuff after seeing Hanyuu's negative outlook on the situation. In Matsuribayashi, on the other hand, you have Hanyuu outright telling her they just managed a miracle and now know the culprit. Even so Rika does get a bit worried initially but when Hanyuu's advice works out it's obvious she will be optimist and mostly goes back to where she was before when she saw the miracles.

>There is no hint that there was no goal beyond the school outside of the Ryukishi interview that contradicts even Reiwa.
The point I'm making is that the anime itself never brings anything up. Rika's previous goals get demolished for an empty shell of a dream that only exists to create conflict. Where she's supposed to be caring still, but also doesn't react to school prisons existing. It's a complete mess writing-wise.

>>43441169
Pressed enter when I shouldn't have. Anyway, here's another example of R07 ignoring Reiwa. In an interview from the 20th anniversary event, talking about how Mion and Shion are wearing masks they decided when they were little children but when they mature they'd need to throw those masks away and be their real selves, but Reiwa still keeps them with the Mion/Shion masks (like speech patterns and such).

>I'm not sure why do you keep trying to dodge that fact, as well as that this is an entirely expected reality due to education.
You're the one trying to dodge the fact that St.Lucia realistically isn't "normal" at all, trying to make Rika's choice sound normal and just like everyone else's when it's anything but that. And like I said, it comes completely destroying her previous characterization. If she wanted to leave Hinamizawa all along, we've have seen loops where she tried to escape. But that wasn't a thing. And she explicitly talked about wanting to live with her friends and how surviving alone would have no point.

Higurashi Mei handles the St.Lucia plotline much better and addressed most of the flaws I'm mentioning here, actually giving Rika a real goal to getting into St.Lucia (obtain power and influence like the people from Tokyo), which allows her to actually dislike stuff there but be forced to stick with it since she has to do that.

Also, rather than the odd "no vacation" what happens is that Hinamizawa's people start spreading rumors about Satoko being the one that convinced Rika to leave to St.Lucia which results in them staying there out of their own will since Hinamizawa becomes outright toxic.

And then you have a character who also acknowledges St.Lucia's flaws but is trying to change it from the inside, and Rika works alongside her. The whole thing gives a much bigger sense of believing Rika actually has a dream rather than the empty shell in the anime.

>>43441169
>>Because she only starts thinking about that stuff after seeing Hanyuu's negative outlook on the situation
That's just ridiculous. I already told you several times that Rika knows the extremely low odds in her head, it is impossible to not be nervous, quit ignoring that part and trying to focus on something completely irrelevant. Again, she said this is the most nervous she's ever been, and that only makes sense because of the low odds, not because she just looked at Hanyuu.

>The point I'm making is that the anime itself never brings anything up
Please read the whole paragraph this time.
>Rika's previous goals get demolished for an empty shell of a dream that only exists to create conflict
The only reason you think it's an empty shell is because of the interview, not the anime, and Reiwa contradicts Ryukishi too. There are no previous goals being demolished as I already explained.

>Where she's supposed to be caring still, but also doesn't react to school prisons existing
Why are you still bringing that up? That was addressed already, multiple times, see >>43440034

>Anyway, here's another example of R07 ignoring Reiwa
What are you getting at? That Ryukishi forgets his own story during interviews?

>You're the one trying to dodge the fact that St.Lucia realistically isn't "normal" at all, trying to make Rika's choice sound normal and just like everyone else's when it's anything but that
Going to a boarding school is normal, yes. You might as well say that Mion hates her friends because she had to go to high school and couldn't attend Watanagashi because of it. Like I said, friends not being together all the time because of education is completely realistic and expected.
>And like I said, it comes completely destroying her previous characterization
I already addressed that here >>43440849. It's ridiculous to claim educational needs are somehow in conflict with that because as said before, she's shown to enjoy her meetup with her friends, she even kills herself once just because a friend died showing that she refuses to live a life without their continued existence.
>If she wanted to leave Hinamizawa all along
She did, as said here >>43439564 where she wants to go to a pool and go camping. Also she did try to escape from the village to avoid death but was caught by Takano nonetheless. What she cares about is her friends, not the village.

>Mei
Why are you bringing that up if the Ryukishi interview you keep bringing up disproves everything about it?

What is it with you? Why do I have to constantly point at my previous posts for stuff that was already addressed? What's the point of arguing with you?

Satoko and Rika got married! Congratulate them!

>>43442786
I don't think I will.

>>43442786
RIka and ******ko you stupid secondary shitsugou kiddie

>>43442631
>That's just ridiculous. I already told you several times that Rika knows the extremely low odds in her head
And I pointed out she only starts having any negative thoughts after seeing Hanyuu's negative reactions.

>The only reason you think it's an empty shell is because of the interview, not the anime
No, it's because the anime itself never says there's anything beyond the school itself. From the start, I only brought up the interviews because they show there's no "R07 had bigger ideas that were left out by the anime" or anything like that regarding Rika going to St.Lucia. The interviews aren't why I'm saying it's an empty shell, the interviews are just further confirmation there's nothing beyond the empty shell of a dream shown by the anime.

>Why are you still bringing that up? That was addressed already, multiple times, see

That sentence was specifically written to deal with your argument. You're trying to say Rika is too nice and would just forgive that. The issue is that St.Lucia doesn't change and prison still exists, so if your argument is that Rika is too nice, then she should feel bad for whoever is punished too. And she should know about the prison due to Satoko.

>Going to a boarding school is normal, yes. You might as well say that Mion hates her friends because she had to go to high school and couldn't attend Watanagashi because of it.
Mion is going to a normal school though and just missing stuff for drama, to the point they could just throw her in there for the epilogue. Rika doesn't which is why she's missing from the epilogue. Also, boarding schools usually have vacations.

>She did, as said here >>43439564 where she wants to go to a pool and go camping.
None of that means traveling away from Hinamizawa. There's a pool in Okinomiya and Hinamizawa has plenty of areas around it for camping.

>Also she did try to escape from the village to avoid death but was caught by Takano nonetheless.
She tried escaping to the nearby forests/mountains, not traveling to far away. And even so regret that and promised she'd never do it again, even though she survived up to July that time, because it'd be pointless to survive alone without everything she loved.

>Why are you bringing that up if the Ryukishi interview you keep bringing up disproves everything about it?

I brought up Mei because it fixes most St.Lucia plot points, contrasting with the anime which handles everything badly to create a conflict that realistically shouldn't exist.

>What are you getting at? That Ryukishi forgets his own story during interviews?
Nah, just that, just like R07 said from the start, he sees Reiwa as just one among many fragments, not any kind of definitive future.

is this a samefag?

miko rika

Miko
Rika

>>43442786
Their husbands are very lucky men.

>>43443015
what a cringy prick..

>>43443746
They share the same husband (K1) along with Mion and Rena.

>>43444932
>>43445166
this is not 00s anymore, cringelord

>>43445166
K1 is made for Mion, K2 is made for Rena, while Shion watches alone.

>>43445358
>K2
reiwafaggot spotted

>>43445358
kloser is irrelevant

>>43445358
Shion has her own twink to rape

>>43445483
I meant the other Keiichi from Tatari. He's real btw.

>>43445505
That Keiichi belongs to Satoko, he tripped all her romance flags

>>43445483
Reiwa is miles better than Gou and Sotsu, it has an actual interesting story

>>43445558
It has in interesting set up with Polaris, but it's all dragged down bya really weak cast. Oniokoshi also is a big mess. It completely fails to build up to its ending. The jump from one incident to another is enormous without enough build up. In fact, it has the same issue as Gou's Damashi arcs' "new endings', only it's an original story.

Hoshiwatashi is better, but then you get about two chapters of content wasted with Oni rehashing (granted, still less rehashing than in Gou/Sotsu/Meguri) and you still have most club members aside from Sakiko being weak characters and absolutely pointless. Even Sakiko is in this odd position where she could just be a generic Kimiyoshi and her being Satoko's daughter so far just raises more questions than answers (is Satoko fine with her husband and daughter going on about ostracism?). Although the Sakiko/Satoko stuff could still be addressed in the final arc.

>>43445609
Of course it will, they're going to reveal the true father of Sakiko in final awnser arc

>>43445648
>reveal the true father of Sakiko in final awnser arc

>>43445358
>while Shion watches alone.
Shion will join in.

>>43445648
We know who it is
___________________K1____

>>43445674
sauce?

>>43445648
>>43445558
>>43445532
>>43445648
Oh hello newkid discorder and qa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7PSdnu5Q5Q
Was she right?

>>43445674
stop fulfilling your disgusting hetero fetishes
>>43445880
newfag

>>43445890
kill yourself zoomer, that faggot wishes he was philosophical
>and posting zoomer art
you're done for

>>43445666
She does go full Shion mode over her dad disappearing. Houjo genes are too powerful.

>>43441754
>yurishit
Not even once.

>>43442786
What degenerate cesspool arrows child marriage?

>>43445959
eunuchs aren't women.

>>43446019
Hinamizawa plays by a different rulebook.

>>43446087
Fucking ass backwards hicks, Nomura was right.

>>43445959
But they're so cute together.
>43446037
(You)

>>43446037
excuse you

kanon ganbare

>>43437584
Why couldn't have the K*nonposter be gone alongside them.

>>43446525
shipper deranged mind. stop forcing this failed ship, nujaps

rikakei was the team, Rika is better

>>43445890
Fuck this biased bitch, she only hates Gou and Sotsu because of what they did to Mion while being perfectly fine with how they butchered Satokos and Rikas character

>>43446525
Cute! cute! cuteeeeee!!

>>43446525
Cute couple

>>43446525
This will be canon in just one more month

>>43446525
K1 curing Houjo with the power of dick must be in some fragment.

>>43446760
>>43446651
>>43446575
>>43446572
kill yourself one same rat. rika is miles better and kwho?

>>43446831
cute cute cute!!!

>>43446831
Cute Rika

>>43446831
This will be peak Rika performance in just one more month

>>43446831
based ojou btfo shitujostench from the face of earth with the power of shard sword must be in THIS fragment.

piece of shit blonde gremlin apologists have no redeeming qualities and they're either fat or tranny

SHORT

>>43446891
unironically this

>>43446896
sup bot

Rika is the reall ojou
shitoko is a pretender

that's how you you defeat the discorders

>>43446468
Kanon...

>>43446566
Same as me then, kinda based.

>>43446975
i like how earlier the episode practically comedy hardcut from jessica saying shannon has a good memory to shannon being retarded, then this. shannon is supposedly good at her job but is only ever shown being shit at it; kanon pretends to be bad at shannon's own job but is apparently fine at it... what could it mean?

>>43447005
>what could it mean?

>>43446566
rika and dumbbitch*
>>43447046
hello% sh^^okosspammer discorder

So this gen is only usable when that guy is asleep?

>>43446566
She had lots of complaints about them too, although obviously focuses on Mion more due to liking Mion more.

>>43446831
>>43446841
>>43446848
>>43446855
>>43446875
Seething samefag

funny how a few months ago 50 posts within a hour meant something new dropped while now it just means a satoko pic got posted

you mean a few years ago
a few months ago it was still a lot of picture spam and schizoposting

>>43447144
samefagging that rat sperg from shitcord: hello

>>43447147
>>43447158
when was the last time we got something new that was actually worthwhile, anyway?

>>43447256
Yeah it's not like things didn't get shitty after sotsugou

>>43447256
Ciconia phase 1 in '19.

I've never read/watched anything outside of the original 8 chapters of Higurashi, and I never will.

>>43447389
you should read Saikoroshi

>>43446525
True love won.

>>43447389
You're missing out on some bombass moments from Umineko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDPJuAxZaOo

>>43443097
>And I pointed out she only starts having any negative thoughts after seeing Hanyuu's negative reactions.
Looking at Hanyuu being the usual Hanyuu is not going to make her "more nervous than she's ever been in her entire looping life", get serious. Hanyuu acts this way throughout the entirety of Mina. How can you explain Rika pointing out the extremely low odds in her favor and somehow not be nervous because of that? It's impossible not to.
>No, it's because the anime itself never says there's anything beyond the school itself.
See the last paragraph of >>43441140.

> You're trying to say Rika is too nice and would just forgive that. The issue is that St.Lucia doesn't change and prison still exists
For the 3rd time, what part of "Rika forgave Takano while she was shooting Hanyuu" did you miss? In other words, Rika forgives your sins without you needing to repent. Also no, there's no proof that she even learned about the prison, don't try to pretend otherwise.
>Mion is going to a normal school though and just missing stuff for drama, to the point they could just throw her in there for the epilogue.
It was literally used as part of the inevitability of time for Satoko who was in denial about it and tried to downplay it at every turn, that was the whole point of that first episode, and your friends being separated by education is something extremely common and realistic. The whole point of the club's talk in the car ride at the end of Sotsu was about how being separated that way doesn't mean you have to stop being close friends. Also Mion's already graduated highschool by then, is joined by Keiichi and Rena and expects Satoko and Rika to join them as well after they graduate.
>None of that means traveling away from Hinamizawa. There's a pool in Okinomiya
Okinomiya isn't Hinamizawa. The point is that Rika said she wants to do things she never did before, it's not surprising to see her want to leave the village that she's been stuck in for 100 years to see new sights.

>And even so regret that and promised she'd never do it again, even though she survived up to July that time, because it'd be pointless to survive alone without everything she loved.
Yeah, her friends, duh. They still tried to escape from the village in Matsuri through the secret Sonozaki dungeon exit and into the mountains. Do you honestly think Rika cares more about the village itself than her friends' safety? In Reiwa she's travelling the world not giving a single damn about living in the village, but the moment she hears her friends died she proceeds to kill herself. If you're gonna use that weird interview as justification then you'd also have to take into account the 2005 one where Ryukishi (in his prime, before he went insane with greed) thought Rika also wouldn't stay in the village. I already proved how fickle he is with his thoughts to the point of changing his entire philosophy as a writer.
>I brought up Mei because it fixes most St.Lucia plot points
But the interview you're using says it's irrelevant and it's all OOC fanfic nonsense because apparently Rika doesn't actually give a shit about any of that and it was all conveniently a complete waste of time for some reason, great writing there.

>Nah, just that, just like R07 said from the start, he sees Reiwa as just one among many fragments, not any kind of definitive future.
That was to not piss off shipperfags but what does that matter? It still shows Rika not giving a shit about living in Hinamizawa and instead living a fancy life travelling the world, that sure as hell matches a prestigious background more than a dropout. If you wanna use the interviews as arguments then you'd have to take the ones where Ryukishi explicitly says that yes, Rika enjoys St Lucia because her motivation is that she's no longer stuck in the same place she was for 100 years and enjoys the novel, european setting of the school, so what gives? The same man you're using to base your identity of the characters is the same man saying Rika is like that, which does align a bit with her desire to not be in the village for her vacation in Matsuri.

>>43447389
based, but also >>43447409

>>43447445
you're missing out on clifftranny somehow not being noticed leading a double life with minimal effort and then killing everyone because battler forgot her pony

>>43447589
I think Yasu makes Umineko a loveless opera, but the series was fun to play through with you guys.

I know "It's not the destination, it's the journey" is a cope but the journey was fun.

>>43447474
Obviously she wasn't completely confident which is why she checked Hanyuu before completing the question, but se3eing Hanyuu's negative take on the situation is when her thoughts start getting pessimistic. You can literally follow her monologue.

>See the last paragraph of
Well, there's nothing that I can do about the story in your head. I'm just arguing neither the anime nor people behind it ever pushed your theory.

>For the 3rd time, what part of "Rika forgave Takano while she was shooting Hanyuu" did you miss? In other words, Rika forgives your sins without you needing to repent. Also no, there's no proof that she even learned about the prison, don't try to pretend otherwise.
She was literally there when Satoko was punished for several days. And like I said, if you're arguing she's too good of a person to blame the principal/staff, she wouldn't be fine with some random person being punished like that even if it isn't Satoko.

>Okinomiya isn't Hinamizawa.
But she often goes to Okinomiya and the whole conflict happens due to her not wanting to go to an Okinomiya school in the first place.

>Yeah, her friends, duh.
Yeah, living alongside her friends, so she wouldn't abandon them and stay many years without seeing them. If she was fine with that she could have ran away during the loops, but she didn't try - like mentioned, even the one time she run it was just to the nearby mountains. At least as portrayed in the VN. Obviously the new material doesn't line up with that. You'd think the later loops would involve a lot of Rika trying to leave Hinamizawa altogether considering her current characterization.

>If you're gonna use that weird interview as justification
Like I already said, I'm not using the interview as justification for my argument. R07's interviews about Rika being interested in western architecture and style and that being her reason for going to St.Lucia don't contradict the anime at all. He also has talked about that multiple times. It's not a one off quote. I only brought up the quote to show that the anime's surface level "I want a high school with a sophisticated style" IS everything there was to her motivations. Your headcanon about her wishing high education to gain a prosperous future monetarily is pure headcanon as far as the anime goes.

The bit about her dropping off after high school and going back to Hinamizawa was from a one-off interview from the 20th anniversary event, but that's not what I'm referencing most of the time here.

And I brought up Mei exactly because how it handles St.Lucia is much better written than Gou/Sotsu, since it's not just there to create a conflict that shouldn't even exist.

>It still shows Rika not giving a shit about living in Hinamizawa and instead living a fancy life travelling the world, that sure as hell matches a prestigious background more than a dropout.
There's not even any evidence she has any high education in Reiwa. They haven't mentioned a profession related to her at all. How do you think someone who can't stand staying in the same place for long would even focus on that? If you go by Natsumi Kei's words and the joke page she added at the end of the volume, Rei Rika is an online personality who just gets money so people follow her travels.

>>43447661
>If you're gonna use that weird interview as justification then you'd also have to take into account the 2005 one where Ryukishi (in his prime, before he went insane with greed) thought Rika also wouldn't stay in the village.

That old interview doesn't talk about Rika leaving the village though, just about her attempting various kinds of ventures.

>But the interview you're using says it's irrelevant and it's all OOC fanfic nonsense because apparently Rika doesn't actually give a shit about any of that and it was all conveniently a complete waste of time for some reason, great writing there.

>If you wanna use the interviews as arguments then you'd have to take the ones where Ryukishi explicitly says that yes, Rika enjoys St Lucia because her motivation is that she's no longer stuck in the same place she was for 100 years and enjoys the novel, european setting of the school, so what gives?

My whole argument is that R07's modern take on Rika is bad and contradicts the VN, not respecting her character at all and giving her an empty dream just to create conflict (Gou/Sotsu) or have her as a a plot device (Reiwa - where Rika traveling and making no real bonds is there just so she immediately kills herself for the club without living a family behind, with all the consequences of the whole 3 Great Family system and Furude shrine line disappearing being ignored and Hinamizawa's random people still loving her in spite of that).

So, yeah, the interviews are stupid, and that's part of my point. They show how empty the ideas behind the anime plot itself were. It's not just a matter of execution. Something like Mei that adds to it isn't just doing a better take on R07's ideas, they're completely new ideas.

can sperg fuck off already?

>>43447606
I think what makes Umineko so infuriating for me is how easily it could have been good, if Ryu had just hired an editor and not gone full retard in the end. Or if BT hadn't died. Though there are red flags even from the beginning, like going on about "an answer that can't be copypasted" over actually writing a good and coherent story.

>>43448085
I feel bad for the guy losing his best friend, and the 8 manga made up for the shortcomings in the story. It gave a much more coherent message.

>>43447995
Rent free

>>43447661
>Obviously she wasn't completely confident which is why she checked Hanyuu before completing the question
If seeing Hanyuu was enough to put her down then she wouldn't have gotten hopeful anywhere during Mina even though Hanyuu is always like there in there. Meaning Rika gets nervous is only because she knows the low odds of getting another miracle. If she knew it was a guarantee, she wouldn't have been nervous.
>Well, there's nothing that I can do about the story in your head. I'm just arguing neither the anime nor people behind it ever pushed your theory.
So if you say that your character goes to school it doesn't mean that you should expect your audience to think they want to graduate and get job prospects out of it, no, you have to spell it out for some reason, gotcha.

>She was literally there when Satoko was punished for several days
There's no scene of her learning why Satoko is abscent, just like how she didn't know that Satoko had been moved to the underachiever class since otherwise she wouldn't have asked her out at the time, since Satoko had to attend the session. The end of Sotsu also showed that Rika had zero idea about how Satoko was suffering. This all goes back to the original argument about the lack of communication being the cause of the conflict.

>But she often goes to Okinomiya
That's a point for my side you know.
>and the whole conflict happens due to her not wanting to go to an Okinomiya school in the first place.
Because she said she wanted to go to experience high society since it's the opposite of the hick experience she's had for 100 years? Why even bring this up?

>Yeah, living alongside her friends, so she wouldn't abandon them and stay many years without seeing them.
Going to school is not abandoning your friends, sorry. Mion left the village because she graduated and then it was Keiichi and Rena's turn, leaving Satoko and Rika all by themselves. Nobody in these threads said at the time "HOW COULD THEY ABANDON THE VILLAGE LIKE THAT?" like you are right now because everyone knows that real life and education is like that, and we know, for the umpteenth time, that she happily met up with them showing that she still cares about them. I don't know why you keep ignoring this when it's such a crux of the whole "abandoned her friends" argument.
>Like I already said, I'm not using the interview as justification for my argument.
You literally used it to claim Rika's goals were hollow, because at no point does the anime show otherwise. You wouldn't have even used this line of argument without that interview because it's not relevant to the story since we know her motivation is to enjoy the high society due to it being the polar opposite of an environment she was stuck in for a century, hence why her vacation was also her trying to experience "things she hadn't seen before", showing that she's always had an interest in breaking the monotony of the village. As said before, nothing indicated that she wouldn't graduate and be able to enjoy more of said high society in the outside world, that's just common sense, this interview comes out of a complete left field.

>There's not even any evidence she has any high education in Reiwa.
Having money to travel the world points to having a high source of income obtained through a prestigious background more than being a dropout, yes.
>How do you think someone who can't stand staying in the same place for long
I don't know why do you keep fixating on this line as if a) you know exactly how long she's referring to and there isn't such thing as an enjoyable place (st lucia) and a boring place (a hospital) and b) that it shows that Rika doesn't care about staying in Hinamizawa like you keep claiming, much like that 2005 interview implied.

>>43447778
>That old interview doesn't talk about Rika leaving the village though, just about her attempting various kinds of ventures.
"Freed from the curse of Hinamizawa, she feels like she will continue to challenge everything she does for as long as she lives.
She tries to start up or collapse an innovative venture company. Is she very rich or in huge debt?
It will be either. I think she has a charm that cannot be imagined from the current Rika. "

Doesn't sound like a hick life to me.

>My whole argument is that R07's modern take on Rika is bad and contradicts the VN
But your whole point on that is your obsession with thinking that the inevitability of friends separating due to education goes against anything, when nothing in the VN said that she was against people having to move out due to school, or even stay in the village in their later years.

> where Rika traveling and making no real bonds is there just so she immediately kills herself for the club without living a family behind
How is that against her character?

>with all the consequences
What consequences?

>>43448421
if you replied and gave attention to thee post you're the underage sperg with anger issues

>>43448085
>If she knew it was a guarantee, she wouldn't have been nervous.
I'm not saying she was completely confident. She doesn't need to be. Even with Hanyuu telling her everything works out she still hesitates and gets frustrated in the beginning of Matsuribayashi in spite of Hanyuu actually motivating her there. But she also isn't depressed and clearly had hope. The characterization tracks between the beginning of Minagoroshi and the beginning of Matsuribayashi, which is my point.

>So if you say that your character goes to school it doesn't mean that you should expect your audience to think they want to graduate and get job prospects out of it, no, you have to spell it out for some reason, gotcha.

This is a goal that's making her leave everything behind and drop the goals and dreams she mentioned before about just wanting to live happily there with her friends for a very particular school with very special rules and conditions. Yeah, you need a very clear explanation to take a sudden turn like that. You keep trying to reduce this to a normal choice, when the whole plot exists because it's not a normal choice.

>There's no scene of her learning why Satoko is abscent, just like how she didn't know that Satoko had been moved to the underachiever class since otherwise she wouldn't have asked her out at the time, since Satoko had to attend the session.

Yeah, but she's actually missing for several days there. It's different from Rika just not following Satoko all day around. Both Meguri and GouSotsu Another End show her being aware of the prison. And not being aware at all is just unbelievable considering Satoko's disappearance.

>Because she said she wanted to go to experience high society since it's the opposite of the hick experience she's had for 100 years? Why even bring this up?
Because it shows she considers Okinomiya still too close to the experience from the loops, otherwise the conflict wouldn't exist and she'd just go to a school in Okinomiya.

>"HOW COULD THEY ABANDON THE VILLAGE LIKE THAT?"
What. Lot's of people were surprised Mion couldn't even appear for the big festivity of Hinamizawa and some expected an answer. But then there was just nothing. In the end, this was just a badly written story that twists characters as necessary to create conflict. So, she's there just fine for the happy epilogue. But St.Lucia can't even have vacations otherwise Satoko's break down would make zero sense.

>because everyone knows that real life and education is like that
You can't say this while arguing St.Lucia, as portrayed in the anime, is reasonable. It exists to create conflict, even ignoring elements from the original Higurashi that would certainly bother Rika (like the religious focus).

>You literally used it to claim Rika's goals were hollow, because at no point does the anime show otherwise.
As portrayed in the anime, the only high society she's talking about is the school itself. That's why I call it an empty shell of a dream. That's why you have Mion just suggesting her going to Gogura afterwards even though no one had to go to St.Lucia before Gogura. Rika isn't aiming for anything beyond high society in school. It's a badly written and empty dream that only exists to cause conflict. You're the one adding all this about her aiming to become rich and influential and join that high society even though it's nowhere in the script.

>I don't know why do you keep fixating on this line as if a) you know exactly how long she's referring to and there isn't such thing as an enjoyable place (st lucia) and a boring place (a hospital) and b) that it shows that Rika doesn't care about staying in Hinamizawa like you keep claiming, much like that 2005 interview implied.
You keep making it sound like she was just bored from the hospital, when she speaks in general terms. She doesn't like staying in any one place for long.

>Doesn't sound like a hick life to me.
I mean, Okinomiya is right there. You can be a business owner without leaving Hinamizawa. And there are business in Hinamizawa in anyway too.

>What consequences?
She's directly being responsible for destroying the village's culture, and yet all the conservative people go right along with it, and even still love her in spite of her abandoning the village for years. The old man praising her name in Reiwa would be young adults back in 83 and yet they still speak about her with reverence like she hadn't abandoned the village for a long time now and they have reason to be inheriting the culture of their parents? It's all badly thought out and just a way to have a Rika free from connections who can just kill herself without a second thought but without actually suffering consequences from that life style.

>>43448563

replied to the wrong post.
>>43448744

>>43448744
Also, if you want another example of R07 spelling out the high school itself is Rika's goal and nothing beyond that, see GouSotsu Another End (which was a full R07 script). Rika is completely satisfied once Witchtoko grants her a perfect high school life.

I'm fine with this though since Another End is focused on their crazy witch selves and doesn't pretend these are normal human life choices, unlike Sotsu attempts to do.

>This was 2 years ago
FUCK time flies. Why no new Higu anime or at least an Umineko remake? Surely they made millions with all the new media they've released

>>43448744
>But she also isn't depressed and clearly had hope
She herself said she had never ever been this nervous before, so she actually had the least amount of confidence she's ever had in something. And he reason for that is not Hanyuu like you keep saying, but because she wanted to win the lottery twice in a row. Also the start of Matsuri had Rika very happily going with her meeper act, even though Mina had her stuttering and being very clearly being distraught from the get go, that's what I mean.

> drop the goals and dreams she mentioned before about just wanting to live happily there with her friends
Having to go to school does not go against that dream, to keep ensuring your happiness into adulthood you need financial stability, and she picked an environment that she actually wanted to go experience due to being something new, much like her Matsuri vacation ideas. And no, the actual source of the conflict is Satoko's transferring her dependency issues from Satoshi onto Rika as well as the lack of communication and understanding between them.
>Both Meguri and GouSotsu Another End show her being aware of the prison
I mean, in the manga Rika has to ask what the hell a special remedial room even is in the first place and doesn't get to see it, so as far as we're concerned she just think it's a regular ass room. But even if she did, she doesn't even resent the school or anything like you said she should, she just gets a worried expression and gives up. There's nothing indicating since that she doesn't want to attend St Lucia anymore. Anyways, she still doesn't know about it in the anime as per the end of Sotsu.

>Because it shows she considers Okinomiya still too close to the experience from the loops
Uh yeah? What about it? Again, she said wanted the complete opposite experience of Hinamizawa, and she's not gonna get that out of Okinomiya which is just another japanese town. I get what you're trying to get at but it's not here, mate.

>Lot's of people were surprised Mion couldn't even appear for the big festivity of Hinamizawa and some expected an answer.
I dunno, people seem to understand the horrors of growing up:
>>/jp/thread/S32995305#p33012714

The strawpoll posted in the thread shows that the majority liked the episode:
https://strawpoll.com/65z3x8joe/results

One even points out that this fits into the Matsuribayashi epilogue (I assume the part about Mion graduating) and all the replies agree.

>You can't say this while arguing St.Lucia
It's not St Lucia itself, it's the conflict of interest between Satoko who latched onto Rika as replacement for Satoshi and the fact that she's not compatible with her dream because it demands far more than she can handle. The ending of Sotsu, again, was about explaining that they don't need to be together at all times to remain close, hence why the club are still friends despite having been separated the moment Mion graduated.

>As portrayed in the anime, the only high society she's talking about is the school itself.
Even if that were the case, my point would still stand, because she considers the school itself to be high society and she wants to experience that. You used the interview to point out that she hates studying, will drop out and wants to go home, like Rika has suddenly transformed into Satoko.
>Gogura
Didn't you yourself point out that they don't even agree with Mion?

>You keep making it sound like she was just bored from the hospital
She literally said she was bored of doing nothing but staring at a window, also she said she didn't like being FORCED to stay in one place, not just staying in general. Whereas she deliberately went to St Lucia out of her own free will and enjoys her time there, and even managed to leave to meet up with her friends.

>Okinomiya is right there. You can be a business owner without leaving Hinamizawa. And there are business in Hinamizawa in anyway too.
The only people who are rich in Hinamizawa are the Sonozakis because they are an extremely large mafia family who have infiltrated the whole country and nearly everyone kisses their feet. Plus it also says that Rika loves to challenge herself for as long as she lives now that she's freed of Hinamizawa's curse. Founding a high stakes company all by herself just doesn't seem like hick village stuff.

>She's directly being responsible for destroying the village's culture, and yet all the conservative people go right along with it
I mean, their beliefs were literally about worshipping Rika because she was the reincarnation of their god, and Oryou was backing her up. So if their Jesus declares a new decree of sorts, it's not strange that they follow it, especially since they do love her. Also remember that Mina showed not only that the kids have nothing against Satoko like the elders do but the latter even do it more because of Oryou rather than Oyashiro itself.
>abandoned
Why would leaving the village be an issue? Especially after that speech up there?

>>43449347
Well, they're still releasing merch for the anime, so it's not a case of things being dead. Dunno what are any future plans right now though.

>>43449409
>She herself said she had never ever been this nervous before
That's about the whole expectations about something she couldn't foresee. And it only comes up AFTER she sees Hanyuu's negative view on the situation.

>Also the start of Matsuri had Rika very happily going with her meeper act, even though Mina had her stuttering and being very clearly being distraught from the get go, that's what I mean.
Like I said, because she had the Hanyuu miracle rather than getting hit over her head by Keiichi's disappointment. When the scene follows to her at home alone with Hanyuu you can see she isn't exactly perfectly fine and even though Hanyuu is actually motivating her Rika herself is the one building walls.

>I mean, in the manga Rika has to ask what the hell a special remedial room even is in the first place and doesn't get to see it, so as far as we're concerned she just think it's a regular ass room.
Whether it literally looks like a prison doesn't matter, they're still outright imprisoning people there. And in the manga she isn't shown enjoying St.Lucia after that point.

>I get what you're trying to get at but it's not here, mate.
You were the one trying to argue that Rika saying she wants to go to a swimming pool in Okinomiya or camping somehow is foreshadowing for her wanting to live everything behind. I was just pointing out how bad those assertions are.


>You used the interview to point out that she hates studyin
Rika disliking studying is stated in Gou/Sotsu itself, she just says she's doing it in spite of that for her dream. It's also stated in the old R07 written epilogue manga Kokoriyashi (although this seems to have been completely forgotten by now, since Rika's characterization there is completely incompatible with modern Rika - she fears leaving Hinamizawa because she's used to it and feels more secure there due to looping knowledge and has to be pushed by Hanyuu to even attempt at trip to Tokyo one year later).

Also, other people complaining about the Mion stuff

>>/jp/thread/S39883445#p39903649
>>/jp/thread/S39825994#p39836233

Like I've already pointed out though, this whole characterization makes no sense. If she had this desire to leave she'd have attempted to do it during the original loops, especially because doing so she could see the consequences and how things worked if she actually escaped and then decide how she'd go from there. But she never did. She's only doing it now to create conflict.

>Why would leaving the village be an issue?
She's abandoning the Furude shrine and religious rituals. The village being agitated about it and trying to find a culprit like in Mei, even if they end up blaming someone else, makes much more sense than everyone being happy and no one taking heat for that like in Reiwa. And like I pointed out, the old men still praising Rika in Reiwa would actually be young adults at the time of the original series, not the previous old people that followed her since she was a baby. It makes no sense and is just a way to have a Rika without connections who can kill herself at a whim for the club with no hesitation since she has nothing else. And we're somehow supposed to look at this as a good future. The whole scenario is fucked up but the narrative refuses to acknowledge it and tries to pass it off as a good status quo.

>Didn't you yourself point out that they don't even agree with Mion?
The conversation is cut, there's no answer, but my point is that obviously at least from Mion's point of view she isn't saying something odd, she goes against your "obvious" assumption that interest in St.Lucia means interest in gaining lots of money and joining high society in the city afterwards, something never even hinted at in the anime itself.

>It's not St Lucia itself,
If St.Lucia didn't exist under those perfectly contrived circumstances to create conflict, the conflict itself wouldn't exist. Give St.Lucia the religious focus Shion complained about and then Rika would be much less fond of it. Give St.Lucia actual vacations and then you couldn't have Satoko's break down happening. Make Rika more reasonable and just take a trip abroad once for her Western taste rather than locking herself in the middle of nowhere for years and the conflict disappears too. Sotsu's ending is a joke that has no reason to exist.

>The only people who are rich in Hinamizawa are the Sonozakis because they are an extremely large mafia family who have infiltrated the whole country and nearly everyone kisses their feet.
The Kimiyoshi have business too, just never big/relevant in the original series. Tomita's father owns a store. You don't need to be Sonozaki level rich to attempt various enterprises.

>She literally said she was bored of doing nothing but staring at a window
Yeah, but her overall wording wasn't about that situation but in general. And locking herself in St.Lucia goes completely against her wish to travel often.

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>>43439733
It just goes on and on, what is this, who are you? There needs to be a thread for whatever the fuck this is.

Is this all one person? It goes on for days. I've always ignored this shit. But I just realized this is like just one guy. Or is it 2 people.

>>43449347
Mentally ill
>>43450930
It's sperg

>>43437584
zoomer ange poster?

>>43451102
Sup ange 3dpd coomer

>>43451115
sup

>>43446831
True victory won

>>43437584
Sperg is all those shitokei posts

>>43450930
Helloe

>>43451174
Hello to you too.

Spergi-kun should be a Youtuber or something if he's going to put so much effort into writing all that.

>>43451194
It's not effort when he using ai for his posts

>>43449633
>That's about the whole expectations about something she couldn't foresee
This was already addressed here >>43440278
>Like I said, because she had the Hanyuu miracle rather than getting hit over her head by Keiichi's disappointment
She was already different in Mina since like I said, she was stuttering and distraught before Keiichi had even given her the answer whereas in Matsuri she has no issues keeping up the act.
>Whether it literally looks like a prison doesn't matter, they're still outright imprisoning people there.
What matters is that Rika sees it and does something about it, instead she just gets worried and that's it. And the story skips ahead to being picked up by Mion instead of showing if Rika is suffering through guilt or something. In the manga Rika says she wants to get away from Hinamizawa because of all the suffering it caused her.
>You were the one trying to argue that Rika saying she wants to go to a swimming pool in Okinomiya or camping somehow is foreshadowing for her wanting to live everything behind.
Huh? The point was that she doesn't even want to stay in Hinamizawa even in the original VN, and you twisted that into something else. It's also not "leave everything behind" at all, it's going to highschool, and she still meets up with her friends, jesus.

>Rika disliking studying is stated in Gou/Sotsu itself, she just says she's doing it in spite of that for her dream.
But not enough to drop out, that's why she's doing it in the first place. Most people don't like studying, but they know they have to do it to reach their goals.
>Kokoroiyashi
The manga that has her leaving Hinamizawa at the end with the words "this is the first step to growing up"? Either way that's not even compatible with the VN because Hanyuu went back to being a ghost whereas in the manga she's still corporeal in 1984. She even has to call her over the phone instead of teleporting.

>Also, other people complaining about the Mion stuff
Yes anon, but it doesn't mean most people disliked the episode as shown by the poll and the actual thread about it during its release had people agreeing with the fact that the realities of time are a bitch but the club meeting showed that everyone's still friends and, again, the ending of Sotsu says being separated doesn't mean losing your friendship.

> If she had this desire to leave she'd have attempted to do it during the original loops,
Again, her Matsuri's vacation ideas showed that she did want to break from the monotony of the village so she's always wanted to experience new things, which is understandable. This is different from her attempts at figuring out how to escape death you know, that's why the VN said Rika had never wanted to do any of those vacation ideas before, only now that she's actually free to do them as she pleases.
>She's abandoning the Furude shrine and religious rituals
After explaining to them that it doesn't matter, backed by Oryou, the person they actually fear more than Oyashiro as shown in Mina. She still remained a beloved icon regardless.

>The conversation is cut, there's no answer, but my point is that obviously at least from Mion's point of view she isn't saying something odd,
Why would she? It's just high school after all and they have no idea what's going on in that school even, they don't even know about Satoko's suffering in the Gou meeting.

>If St.Lucia didn't exist under those perfectly contrived circumstances to create conflict, the conflict itself wouldn't exist
Except literally the only things required are the high studying expectations because Satoko is unable to keep up and would be separated from Rika regardless as well as the high society focus which is what Rika wanted in the first place which Satoko despises and thus can't join her little club. Satoko breaks down just a few days in and starts regretting everything. Saying that the christianity thing should shoo away Rika is like saying that having to study should make her not want to go to school period. She herself admitted that she's willing to go through shit she doesn't want for the sake of the lady environment.
>The Kimiyoshi have business too, just never big/relevant in the original series. Tomita's father owns a store.
The interview says that it's a high stakes gamble where Rika gets either rich or in severe debt, again, doesn't sound like a hick village at all, I don't know why you keep trying to squeeze in a "maybe."
>Yeah, but her overall wording wasn't about that situation but in general
Don't dodge the fact that you omitted the part about being FORCED to stay somewhere, again, she went to St Lucia because it was her dream, that's the opposite of being somewhere against your will. There was no travelling hobby stated anywhere in Sotsu. Quit being so desperate to find contradictions.

more wife rika

>>43451859
Cuuuute so cuute!

>>43451859
maid Rika

meds edition

>>43451859
adorable

>>43451859
I want to pick her up and TAKE HER HOME I WANT TO BRING HER TO MY HOUSE RIKA ChAMA I LOVE YOU

>>43451694
>She was already different in Mina since like I said, she was stuttering and distraught before Keiichi had even given her the answer whereas in Matsuri she has no issues keeping up the act.

No, that was afterwards. You keep ignoring that. I showed her monologues and before being hit by Hanyuu she's well enough to keep her mask.

>What matters is that Rika sees it and does something about it, instead she just gets worried and that's it.
What matters is that Rika knowing about it ruins the whole perfect future spiel the anime pushes which is necessary to keep that senseless ending existing.

>Huh? The point was that she doesn't even want to stay in Hinamizawa even in the original VN, and you twisted that into something else.
You're the one trying to twist Okinomiya into a distant place even though if that were the case the conflict wouldn't exist.

>Either way that's not even compatible with the VN because Hanyuu went back to being a ghost whereas in the manga she's still corporeal in 1984. She even has to call her over the phone instead of teleporting.

Hanyuu can take spirit form in Kokoroiyashi. But she can't leave beyond a certain area in that manga for some reason. It's actually a limit that comes up in a couple of side-stories (and probably why the console arcs retcon Rena's pre-Hinamizawa delusions into not being Hanyuu related at all, since that concept creates that hole).

>Yes anon, but it doesn't mean most people disliked the episode as shown by the poll and the actual thread about it during its release had people agreeing with the fact that the realities of time are a bitch but the club meeting showed that everyone's still friends and, again, the ending of Sotsu says being separated doesn't mean losing your friendship.
Like I pointed out, people expected more delving into the future and expanding on what was going on there. The complaints started after people realized there was nothing else to add and it was all just a badly written plot device.


>Again, her Matsuri's vacation ideas showed that she did want to break from the monotony of the village so she's always wanted to experience new things, which is understandable.
Her Matsuribayashi vacation ideas are reasonable, unlike St.Lucia, and also are all stuff that can be done around the Hinamizawa/Okinomiya area.

>She still remained a beloved icon regardless.
My whole point is that it makes no sense. Even if she dismisses the curse she's abandoning a large traditional shrine. All those traditional old people AND their children taking it well and even still being devoted to Rika even though she can go years without returning by the village is just badly written garbage.

>Why would she? It's just high school after all and they have no idea what's going on in that school even, they don't even know about Satoko's suffering in the Gou meeting.
The point is regarding Rika's intentions. You're saying her going to St.Lucia immediately and obviously implies a bunch of other stuff about her future life, rather than just being an empty shell of a wish, even if the anime says nothing about what you claim it means. I'm pointing out Mion's words because it shows someone in-universe not making the assumptions you're making at all.


>Except literally the only things required are the high studying expectations because Satoko is unable to keep up and would be separated from Rika regardless
Which is only an issue due to no vacation. If vacations existed they'd get to be together long before Satoko's big breakdown. And no vacations in the first place is just a ridiculous step. Same goes to everything else I mentioned.

>Saying that the christianity thing should shoo away Rika is like saying that having to study should make her not want to go to school period. She herself admitted that she's willing to go through shit she doesn't want for the sake of the lady environment.
The Christianity focus changes the environment itself which is why it was removed in the first place. Yeah, you still have "ladies", but you also have mass and even bible studies. No infinite tea time when outside classes.

>doesn't sound like a hick village at all, I don't know why you keep trying to squeeze in a "maybe."
Because Okinomiya is right there by the side? You're the one forcing that it must mean she's away from everything even though nothing about that is said.


>Don't dodge the fact that you omitted the part about being FORCED to stay somewhere, again, she went to St Lucia because it was her dream, that's the opposite of being somewhere against your will.

You're looking too much into the very specific wording of a translation.

同じ場所に留まり続はなきゃいけないのが嫌いってだけよ

The whole point is that she dislikes and is being forced into the situation -because- she can't continue traveling. It's not that she only dislikes it because she's being "forced" which isn't actually part of the original wording.

>>43450930
it's either a wall of text every few hours about shit that's been discussed to death years ago, or silence broken up by an occasional rikaschizo post.
pick your poison.

Bernkastel (real).

>>43452494
>No, that was afterwards. You keep ignoring that. I showed her monologues and before being hit by Hanyuu she's well enough to keep her mask.
But I already proved that looking at Hanyuu doesn't bring her down as shown by the fact that she does get hope through Mina even though Hanyuu is always like that. Again, you've never ever addressed the fact that Rika explained her absurdly low odds.
>What matters is that Rika knowing about it
She doesn't though, not in the anime, also we've already gone over her not caring about others' sins anyhow.
>You're the one trying to twist Okinomiya into a distant place even though if that were the case the conflict wouldn't exist.
Not true, Rika said she wanted to experience high society life and you can't get that from Okinomiya. The point is that Rika isn't allergic to leaving Hinamizawa like you keep thinking.
>Hanyuu can take spirit form in Kokoroiyashi.
But she was still not corporeal at the end of the VN.
>Like I pointed out, people expected more delving into the future and expanding on what was going on there.
Not in the thread the day the episode came out, people just accepted that that's just the realities of time for you and again, pointed at Matsuribayashi's epilogue. The whole point of it was acceptance that friends will realistically separate due to real life needs but you can still remain friends despite Satoko's worries.
>Her Matsuribayashi vacation ideas are reasonable, unlike St.Lucia
Now you're just changing the issue. The vacation ideas are proof that Rika wants to get rid of the village monotony which is the point I'm making. St Lucia is her wanting to experience the very opposite of life she lived for 100 years which is a refined high society location now that she has graduated from the village school. You're the one that keeps thinking to going to a boarding school is "abandoning everything" for some reason. Also, St Lucia could be 5 minutes away from Hinamizawa and it wouldn't matter jack shit, I don't know why are you so obsessed with distance when we already know Rika doesn't care about staying in the village.
>My whole point is that it makes no sense
Nothing in the VN says that the villagers would go berserk if Rika left. Even when she dies in Wata/Mea the villagers just carry on with their lives and the village is shown to still exist 20 years later. In Mina, when Rika dies, the villagers are shown lamenting her loss, but don't revolt or anything and just obey the outsiders' instructions. Sounds to me like you're only bringing this up because Mei squeezed out a plot about it, much like Ryukishi saying that Rika would drop out.
> You're saying her going to St.Lucia immediately and obviously implies a bunch of other stuff about her future life
I'm sorry, did any of us correctly predict that Rika would just abandon her education until Ryukishi said otherwise?
> I'm pointing out Mion's words because it shows someone in-universe not making the assumptions you're making at all.
Except, again, they know jack shit about what's going on there since they don't even know about Satoko's critical situation. Also I'm not sure why you're even bringing it up as proof when Ryukishi said that Rika's not going there anyways, so no, Mion doesn't know shit and her assumption is perfectly normal because of it. As far as they know they just went to a highschool and that's it.

>Which is only an issue due to no vacation.
How so? Satoko has a breakdown a few days in, and she didn't tell Rika about her issues even during school when she perfectly could, let alone during when they go back to Hinamizawa. I don't know why are you fixated on something that was never relevant.

>The Christianity focus changes the environment itself which is why it was removed in the first place.
Nowhere in Mea does it say you don't have breaks or anything, you also ignored the part where Rika says she's willing to do things she doesn't want for the sake of the lady environment.
>You're the one forcing that it must mean she's away from everything even though nothing about that is said.
No I'm not, I said nothing there even hints that she still lives a hick life yet you're trying to force the issue even though it matches with her desire to experience new things from Matsuri, i.e: not stay in the village forever.
>The whole point is that she dislikes and is being forced into the situation -because- she can't continue traveling
Oh so she just coincidentally mentions how bored she is with the place and how she doesn't want to stay here because she wants to go meet up with her friends, but has to stay anyways. Like it isn't the most obvious wink wink nod to her having been trapped in Hinamizawa. You also ignored the fact thatdid want to go to St Lucia and enjoys that place and that this travelling hobby didn't exist until Reiwa.

Bro what gives? This argument ain't going nowhere because you're dead set on thinking that going to a boarding school is a bigger deal than it actually is.

>>43452539
I-IM GONNA

>>43452961
>How so? Satoko has a breakdown a few days in, and she didn't tell Rika about her issues even during school when she perfectly could, let alone during when they go back to Hinamizawa. I don't know why are you fixated on something that was never relevant.

Because she'd be able to socialize with Rika outside of the school environment toning down the pressure and weight. She goes through several seasons in St.Lucia before her big break down (note the uniform changes). The club meeting happens by the 2nd year, and they only get a chance to interact personally at this point due to the whole "no vacation" plot device.

And, really, at this point, I'm dropping this argument. I realize people don't convince each other through this kind of stuff, but if you can't even admit that St.Lucia is an unrealistic place that even got retconned from the original VN just to create conflict, it's obvious you won't backtrack or admit mistakes on anything at all.

>>43452655
this post brought to you by a shitokoschixo

>>43452756
unreal it, NOW

>>43453049
>Because she'd be able to socialize with Rika outside of the school environment toning down the pressure and weight
But the whole point is that Satoko didn't tell her in the first place because of her stubbornness and pride. And this "pressure" doesn't seem to matter that much later on considering Satoko insults Rika in the school lobby where everyone can see. All she cares about is assuring herself that Rika is just putting on an act. Then the prison happens and Satoko thinks Rika ratted her out, thus has good reason to believe that her Rika is gone forever.

> but if you can't even admit that St.Lucia is an unrealistic place that even got retconned from the original VN just to create conflict
I didn't say there were no visible differences, but the only part that we're not seeing is the jesus stuff and how exactly would that cause any difference? Impact-wise they'd be no different from any other curricular activity. Again, Rika said she doesn't mind doing things she doesn't like to get what she wants.

>>43453049
>is an unrealistic place
This is the same series where an orphanage turns children into chicken feed and makes them eat feces.

>>43453367
And a hospital with a secret underground base with insanely advanced technology for the time where someone vivisects people with brain parasites that make them perceive oppai lolis.

>>43452756
Actual real Bern.

>>43453425
I forgot if it was ever explained why Takano didn't vivisect Satoshi.

>>43453459
I think Irie convinced her to keep Satoshi around to study HS and not dispose of him. Might've just been her humoring him.

>>43453425
hanyuu is whatever you want to her to be and she's not a boob girl, you scoundrel rat wanker/fapper/jackoffer

>>43453308
angefaggot..

>>43453512
boobies!!!!!!!!!!

>>43453367
>This is the same series where an orphanage turns children into chicken feed and makes them eat feces.
Yeah, but back then it didn't try to give a "realistic" message about real issues. R07 openly talked about how Higurashi's message was idealized and fantasy.

What bothers me about Sotsu's "message" is the attempt to give a supposed real message with "consequences" while relying on an obviously fantasy set up. Heck, freaking Teppei is magically there with everyone rather than more "realistically" falling back into his old abusive ways like abusive people usually do. It's a "reality" that only seems to apply to Rika.

An empty dream, an empty conflict, an empty story.

>>43453308
Bern, you're going to ruin your dress. Bern? BERN!

>>43453727
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>>43453579
hanyuu... flat..

>>43453512
>hanyuu is whatever you want to her to be
>but not that
>that's not allowed because i don't like it

>>43453766
exactly, did you miss something or did i stutter?

>>43453766
I love Hanyuu as both loli and big boobie goat

>>43453660
>Yeah, but back then it didn't try to give a "realistic" message about real issues
Tsumi's afterword absolutely talks about real issues about people asking professionals for help instead of resorting to extremes by themselves, what the fuck you on mate. Social worker using his experiences to write Higurashi and all that. Takano's unrealistic orphanage backstory was still absolutely meant to make you seriously feel sorry for her and the afterword talks about how humanity views conflicts through a black and white filter with good guys and bad guys, which was also very clearly reflected in Rika's speech during the time freeze about forgiving sins. The idealism bit was about how unrealistically devout to one another Keiichi and the others are and that irl you'd probably just create conflicts instead but that's a separate thing entirely.

Gou's message began the moment Mion graduated and Satoko started downplaying it right away, people in the thread at the time could instantly tell that this was about the passage of time and not wanting to grow up. Higurashi has always been very unsubtle about its messages but it doesn't mean they haven't been there since the VN.
>Teppei
I mean, that's memory leaks for you, they could fix even Hitler apparently. Still better than Keiichi pulling a 180 after sadistically shooting kids with a bb gun because Teppei is at least metaphorically getting a gun to the head.

>>43447589
>you're missing out on clifftranny somehow not being noticed leading a double life with minimal effort and then killing everyone because battler forgot her pony
Eh, makes slightly more sense than the occult researcher who loves talking about gruesome deaths, has a personal army, and goes missing the same night in every loop somehow not being found out for a century by a immortal girl and her ghost friend who can follow people anywhere leading to the entire village dying so she could prove a point.

>>43454402
Well, Hanyuu was supposed to be hiding it from Rika.
(post-Mina interview)
https://sai-zen-sen.jp/works/extras/higurashinonakasekata/04/01.html

>Ryu: Yes, it's quite the contrast, isn't it? Rika never gives up on hope. Even if she dies and has to repeat over and over, she doesn't get depressed. But if you pay attention, you've probably noticed that Rika's refusal to accept looping, the idea of stopping and reloading the game, is the most frightening thing for Hanyuu. I think Rika mentions it in the story, but in order to go back in time, it's not just Hanyuu, Rika's approval is also necessary. You can't go back without the consent of both of them. However, Hanyuu can't communicate with anyone but Rika. That's why Hanyuu can't bear to live without Rika. Even though it is painful for Rika to repeat her life, Hanyuu knows how painful it is to live without Rika, so she doesn't mind repeating her life as long as Rika is there. This is the absolute difference in values between Hanyuu and Rika. If you think about it that way, a free being like Hanyuu would have been able to walk around freely and search for the murderer, but why does Hanyuu not know anything and keep telling Rika to give up and that there will be another time? I'll get into that next time. (laughs)

>(official commentary by KEIYA) “It was for narrative convenience that I didn't look for the culprit", at the time, many players had stopped thinking and regarded the situation like that. However, there is an important clue at the final stage of Minagoroshi. This should be a point of consideration before reading Matsuribayashi.

But then r07 was too much of a coward to address that directly in the story likely because it'd hurt Hanyuu's image. Matsuribayashi was all written after the anime was in production, and they intended to use her as a promotional mascot later on.

>>43454436
I can't believe Rika knew about Hanyuu's ghost powers but never tried to use them to her advantage, even if Hanyuu would have come up with an excuse. What a fucking hack, and it also makes Rika look stupid.

>>43454436
wtf im on #teameua now

What does /jp/ think of Gaap?

>>43437584
Or the tea poster?

>>43454616
I’m still here, I just don’t post #tea anymore. Except for that one just now.

>>43454873
outing yourself for replying to yourself just like that

>>43454402
higurashi didn't go on and on about how you could soooooolve it if you just thought hard enough (and then desperately begged the audience to stop thinking when they started picking apart the plot holes). it was just a fun story.

>>43454885
What an ugly gif, just like Rika.

>>43454580
I don't

>>43454976
have you looked at the mirror?

>>43454977
you did just now.

>>43455028
but did I?

>>43455034
it's impossible to have replied to a gaap post otherwise.

>>43454976
kill yourself already, shitok*(badword)

>>43454580
she's a gaap in my memory

Any Umineko news?

What a awful thread.

>>43455681
I liked it,

>>43455677
Yes, me and Gertrude just got married.

>>43454436
Even Hanyuu keeping it from Rika is kind of a weak excuse, since Tomitake is always found in the same location, and Rika hiding nearby to check it out would easily reveal the culprit.

>>43456101
the yamainu are probably keeping an eye on Rika like they often do

>>43456185
I find that hard to believe when they completely lose track of her in Watanagashi/Meakashi, as well as let her run around and meet with a L5 patient in a garbage dump in Tsumihoriboshi.
They're only really on the ball in Minagoroshi, and that's only because Rika specifically requested them to keep a close eye on her, otherwise they're all kinda preoccupied with other things.

>>43456233
Hm... I'd say Rika would need to drop the Watanagashi to follow Tomitake, but she does talk with him after the ritual dance in some arcs. She probably would need a vehicle though if she's running from the festival to the place where he's found, and then you run into the issue of them just capturing/killing her right there.

>>43456278
The Yamainu could capture her, but they're unlikely to kill her immediately, since it would screw up their planning pretty badly. They'd probably keep her hostage until they could set their plans in motion, which would allow Rika to remember it.
A bicycle is probably enough to get enough of a lead on Takano to reach the spot before she dumps Tomitake there, and she always handles the body alone, so there wouldn't even be Yamainu there.

It's pretty much the most obvious lead for her to follow, but the story never even tries to address it presumably because it would break the plot.
Though the Yamainu always should've been a main suspect even without that. Rika had reason to believe her death would lead to a huge disaster, but Okonogi is clearly such a scumbag that the idea of him being bribed into letting the entire village die really shouldn't have been out of the question.

>>43456342

They probably could just call Takano to confirm it and then leave her unconscious and/or kill her. Afterwards they have 48h for the disaster which is more than enough. Note they can even pull the GHD when she suddenly dies in an unplanned way like in Tsumihoroboshi's bad ending. The only issue is Wata/Mea because her body is hidden away.

The Yamainu might be keeping surveillance on the road too. We see Oishi dying due to that in Tatarigoroshi and Minagoroshi. Although I guess at least in Mina he only dies because he actually attempts to approach them directly, rather than the other way around, so their surveillance might overlook Rika.

Regarding them being the main suspects, in her Minagoroshi monologue she wrote them and Takano off because they know about the GHD and she couldn't think believe anyone would aim for that. That she used many worlds to investigate the Sonozaki and Shion which is how she basically learns everything about those loops, down to character motivations, like the Mion doll somehow leading to Shion's rampage which is a pretty indirect connection but Rika figured out.

>>43456415
They could most likely make things work in an emergency, but they really wouldn't wanted to except as a last resort, given the amount of political manoeuvring involved in the background (and Tsumihoroboshi-like situations may just be a case of fortuitous timing, since in Tsumi itself they off Rika shortly after she escapes the explosion). If keeping Rika hidden for a day or so is an option, that would definitely be the preferred option.
And Ooishi only gets popped while they're in the midst of executing the main operation. Since they're cutting off all communication to and from Hinamizawa, they're obviously much more involved with any cars passing by. We don't see any sign of them worrying about anything other than "Takano"'s corpse on the night of the festival.

And given that in every loop, as far as Rika knows, Tomitake dies first under extremely suspicious, Hinamizawa Syndrome related circumstances, Takano dies the same night in what's clearly a deliberate murder, and finally she herself dies a couple days later, despite all three people involved being so closely tied to this elite special forces unit (that Rika knows is incredibly immoral), with none of her pleas ever changing anything, should make the idea that the Yamainu are involved with all the murders the most obvious conclusion, even with them knowing about the obvious supposed horrific consequences of murdering her.
Either Okonogi would have to be super incompetent (and Rika knows he isn't), or super evil. Rika dismissing that idea entirely just makes her look really stupid.

>>43454923
Higurashi also encouraged you to figure out what the fuck was going on.

>>43456546
Part of the issue is that R07 basically retconned some of the backstory. The way Rika talks in Minagoroshi, they kill her mother -for her- (presumably referencing her mother opposing Rika cooperating with the experiments, which is why she also talks about attempting to avoid the death of her parents and it always failing), so she wouldn't particularly hold that against them, but then we get to Matsuribayashi, Rika isn't involved at all and we don't even see how she takes the news. Also, there's not even anything about her mother taking her father's death badly. They both pretty much die around the same time so there's hardly time for that.

another day with no phase 2 announcement...

Hey, is there a reason why these two songs sound so similar?
https://youtu.be/k1GJ6b3yczE[Open]
https://youtu.be/wPhPFsKCGy4[Open]