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why is DDC so shit?

Got the extra for UFO under my belt.
Took me a few hours tonight and last night which is fast for me (koishi took me a whole week). MY GOD a few of my hairs went grey thanks to those damn tokens.

>>43369925
Because for some reason Kagerou is on PEDs. Some stage 3 boss, I'd go as far to say she's on par with Doreme's nons.
Elsewhere Seija relies solely on butchering your controls for the "dynamic factor".
Finally you have either gamebreaking shot type, or comical shot type (Sakuya).
That's my 2 cents; add more if you can.

>>43370059
GGs anon, any idea on what you're doing next?

>>43370080
Probably aiming for a UFO lunatic clear with reimu A (Maybe I'll do a before and after of my hair, to see how many greys I've popped).
My main goal is 1 lunatic clear and 1 extra clear per game.
I exclude some shot-types for morals (think Sanae in LOLK, Sakuya A in DDC).
If it's of any interest last thing I cleared was UM. Looking back at myself complaining about Misumaru? She was merciful.

>>43370100
Forgot to ask, how about you?
Also, to calm the nerves, box breathing is your friend.

What are the chances of us ever seeing a coop touhou game as its gimmick? With 2 characters on the same screen.

>>43370156
I don't think ZUN is capable of making such thing so probably unlikely.

>>43370156
Usually co-op shmup need giant bosses that cover the 1/4 top of the entire screen, something that ZUN doesn't like to do. Unless you wanna see 2 players shooting at little girl in the same spot I don't think it's a good idea, or just pray for the smallest chance that ZUN introduce big bosses like average shmups for co-op game.

>>43370283
Technically he can since he's able to make a vs shmup game.

>>43369895
>1cc
lol, lmao
But I finally got past Sakuya, so once I stop dying so fast in her practice mode it should be fairly downhill from there. I need to bomb more proactively.

>>43375023
Normal Remilia isn't too bad from what I remember, you might be fine, otherwise continue using practice mode.

>>43369895
>How's the progress on your 1cc
not so good

>>43375727
I sure hope so. I swear Sakuya spawned a knife right on top of me once, how is that fair?

>>43369925
I love DDC! Kagerou and Benben are a pain in the ass to fight, but Seija and Sukuna have some of the funniest patterns

>>43376353
I'm stuck on UFO too for about 2 months now.

>>43376353
>>43376756
The solution is to stop playing UFO and play MoF instead

>>43370349
>Unless you wanna see 2 players shooting at little girl in the same spot I don't think it's a good idea
What about multiple little girls to shoot at? Like the sistsers from PCB

>>43377320
That's a good idea actually, but he need to do that for all the stages.
Well, just like VD.

>>43376685
She makes her knifes change directions sometimes, this includes knifrs that already went offscreen and might come back because that.

>>43376958
Real Gamers Never Give Up.

So how is Mountain of faith? I am playing them in order and it should next on the list.

>>43376958
Shut up! I'm on my grind to 1cc all 2hu games so I can go to Gensokyo

>>43369895
>How's the progress on your 1cc, /jp/?
i can barely make it to Okuu

>>43377386
Best game in the series in my opinion. Great music, great characters, decent scoring, it's got it all. Only downside is literally one pattern (Peerless Wind God), otherwise fantastic game.

>>43377386
Worst game in the series. No master spark/10

>>43378350
But Marisa is broken in MoF, the game truly has something for everyone

>>43377386
MoF just hits different
Great characters, great music, lots of fun, easily my favourite in the series

>>43379376
Seriously?
I prefer EoSD or LLS.
Yeah, i know, old game supremacist.
I just like them better.

It's ironic the fact that i beated LOLK and i am incompetent in other touhou games? LOLK Was my first game

Anons what where your first game?

>>43382474
Do you like first windows trilogy? (EOSD, PCB AND IN)?

>>43382702
Yeah, but IN and it's weird mechanics is the lower point in there.
I like PCB, but I haven't played too much of it because of the FUCKING prismriver sisters.
I swear to god they are too difficult.

I really like the first trilogy, but you got a good point there, IN is pretty diferent from the other of the first trilogy and the prismrivers sisters... I don't remember how i reached Youmu

>>43382731
I forgot to reply you, sorry

>>43382758

>>43369895
I expect it to be better than th9, but i am not sure

>>43369895
What's the easiest game to 1cc on normal? It's gotta be PCB or TD, right? I've been trying LoLK and I'm getting my shit fucked up.

>>43382692
LoLK difficulty really depends on PD/legacy and how cheesy you get with certain characters. I got through PD real quick with everyone, but right now I'm slowly making progress towards a legacy 1cc with Reimu.
Also, EoSD was my first game and delve into the genre.

>>43383317
IN. I got the 3 1ccs there already.

>>43382397
Much appreciated anon; very informative.
I've always been suspicious with Marisa's weaponry being weaker than Reimu's all along.

>>43383317
For me it's PCB, just a lot of ressources and getting these ressources is easy enough, fairly slow bullets, not that many dense patterns with a specific way to beat them. Other contenders include
LLS: Good amount of ressources but the patterns are a little weird. Takes a bit of time to learn some of them or just get surprised by them and inevitably die. MarisaA melts bosses and can practically skip patterns, notably on Yuuka 1.
IN: Never really got this one, for me IN is average if not above average in difficulty across the 18 games. Not that many ressources since if you're as blind as most players you'll almost surely miss the 800/1100 1ups or get the former really late. Gets dense pretty early, criss cross is the bane of every beginner's existence, and bombs can go away quicker than you think not just because of lenient deathbomb but just because not that many of them are good and you're likely to screw up and use the worse one from your team at least a couple times as a beginner.
TD: Maybe technically the easiest on patterns, good game to consider just for that even if the low amount of ressources may make you think about keeping your bombs & trying to fight Seiga or some of Futo/Miko which can be hazardous, but it's for your own good, so to speak.
WBaWC: Absolute cheesefest with otter spirits. 4 strong bombs per life and given the speed on Normal, the long duration on Otter Hyper with 3 or more of them is really dumb, it's like a longer Supernatural Border.

>>43383317
In my opinion, LLS, PCB, and MoF are all pretty easy Normal modes, I never struggled with them that much.

>>43382914
I'm hoping it's fun to play at least, the lack of score or replays scares me though, though we won't know if those things are actually gone until the demo drops.

>>43369895
I finished my BoSM hard marathon so I'll go back to official games for the time being. Probably will try my hand on PCB lunatic.

>And what do you expect from the upcoming demo of TH19?
Phantasmagoria games aren't my cup of tea so I don't expect to like it, but I'll give it a chance.

>>43377386
it's a lot of fun

>>43377386
But tell me;

Did you start on HRtP?

>>43383317
MS

>>43384773
Much harder than 4 and 3 on normal.

>>43384833
fair enough

>>43384650
I swear i tried multiple times but failed to make the emulator work

H-how and where do I download EoSD?
Got it from oldgamesdownload but it would only run on full screen and hyper fast, like it had a fast forward button permanently on. Couldn't get it to work so I uninstalled it

>>43385860
Moryashrine is the best place to get the touhous. Specially considering that touhou 8 is the last one to be considered abandoware so you cant get it on sites like oldgamesdownload.

>>43385959
Many many thanks!

>>43385674
dosboxx or nekoproject?

>>43377386
It's the first game on a new engine so it'll feel quite different from 6-8, especially if you're used to the older hitboxes. I don't like power bombs as a mechanic and the bombs themselves are visually really bland, but other than that it's a pretty good game. Coming from the dark and gloomy IN to this game's bright and vibrant aesthetics is really refreshing.

>>43385674
Grab the touhou98 pack from nyaa, it comes with everything set up for you, you just need to unzip, double click and play.

How do you "extract" a replay and have it be in a non-stupid file format?

>>43389180
Do you want to post a part here?

>>43389208
full replay (via catbox)

>>43389180
what's wrong the .rpy file format?

>>43389325
how do you open it?

>>43389347
you're supposed to go to the replay section on the title screen and view it there. are you trying to watch it outside of the game? your best bet is to record the replay with OBS or something while you have the game booted up

>>43389388
okay lets go with that then. Thanks friend!

>>43389412
you're welcome

>>43369895
>How's the progress on your 1cc
Pretty decent, I've finally got all the Normal 1ccs on the team-based shot types on IN, so I've started playing PoFV while I slowly grab the single-character IN 1ccs on the side.
It's a pretty fun game, but damn if the timer-based bullshit feels more unfair than on PoDD.

>>43385860
You also need the unlimited FPS patch, since EoSD is so old it doesn't run correctly on modern windows.

It might be included in the Moriya shrine ver., but if it isn't it's pretty easy to find with a simple google search.

>>43387100
Neko.

>>43377386
Its me again. I was wondering if i ahould buy MoF or pirate it. I would like to support Zun specially considering shooting games are a dead genre that barely gets made, but from the other side i am not sure if should buy it just to play t for a while and move on to the next 2hou.

I guess will pirate them and then buy the ones i would like to replay multiple times. PCB i play a lot for exemple.

>>43393880
>I guess will pirate them and then buy the ones i would like to replay multiple times

This works, it's what I did anyways.

bumping

I don't know if anyone can tell, but how does exactly familiars work in IN? Because I know hurting them hurt their host, but I don't know how much damage it does compared to damaging the boss directly.

>>43392833
I downloaded it from Moriyashrine and it runs perfectly, but thanks anyway for your input anon

>>43403742
The copy on Moriya is for shitters with no scores... get a better one instead.

>>43403758
Yeah miss me with that crap, I just want to have the game so I can play it whenever

>>43403758
Scores are the most redundant aspect of touhou and you should not give a shit about it unless you are dick waving against other players.

>>43403758
Based

>>43405148
Scores are literally what keep Touhou games interesting for more than 30 minutes after beating them but alright.

>>43405148
I treat it like an indicator that I'm improving. Getting a new high score makes me feel like I'm doing better than I did in previous runs, even if it ends up being a fluke.

>>43405148
>unless you are dick waving against other players
As it should be. People who argue against scoring are scrubs who don't even know the game's mechanics or that they got filtered
Imagine being THAT retarded, hmmm?

>>43403758
As someone who used to play for score, anyone who scores in this day and age is refusing to move on. With how broken 17‘s and 18’s scoring systems are, ZUN clearly doesn’t give a shit about it anymore. Honestly it was evident as early as MoF with how bland and uninspired its scoring system is compared to PCB’s and IN’s, and how bombspam has become commonplace in the later games.

If you still find scoring fun, more power to you, but you haven’t been the main audience for a long time.

>>43394091
yeah I do that too

>>43393178
try dosboxx or dosboxx x to see how it works for you, I had some issues with nekoproject as well

>>43410410
>I treat it like an indicator that I'm improving.
This is an excellent mindset for players of all skill levels.

>>43414191
To be fair, PCB and IN being as good as they are feels like an accident, since obviously ZUN is incompetent. UFO scoring is still fun despite the UFO routes being mostly fixed at the high end, and some of the execution and timing aspects of MoF are good even though it's optimized to hell and it feels like most of the gains these days are from lucky boss movement RNG. SA is my guilty pleasure "survival" game since the patterns are enjoyable.

>anyone who scores in this day and age is refusing to move on
Unironically not a bad thing. The good games are still good. There's not a day I regret ignoring every game after TD (where Extra is the only decent part of the game).

>forgot it was cinco de mayo yesterday
>decided to celebrate it today so i opened up hsif
>finished cirno's route on easy mode without a miss
>feel like i've become the strongest
>start up wily beast and try out the extra mode
>never attempted it before, wonder what to expect
>manage to make it to saki, spamming all my bombs on the way
>clear each of her spellcards with ease
>gotta get those animals
>gotta spam all them bombs
>after an intense battle, she's on her last spell card while i'm left with an extra life
>sweating bullets, meticulously dodging
>get hit, on my last life now
>but it doesn't matter, she's already too weak
>this town's not big enough for the two of us pardner
>reimu draws her colt saa and blasts her
>she explodes into a gorillion pieces
and that's how i got my 2nd extra clear today, thanks to the power of cirno de mayo

>>43417856
Now do it with Marisa

>>43369895
I have a bad habit where I keep alt f4ing after I get hit before I reach stage 3-4 without bombing to get a 1cc recently, so not so good. Want to get a normal 1cc on SA but I keep chickening out and going to easy mode since I want to clear the game as each character. As much as I want to play through IN as each squad to easily collect all the normal 1CC's, I've gotten kinda sick of it. Attempting 7's Extra stage has been nice though, I love the stage theme.

>>43418076
Literally me.
I've been working on LLS for a while now, and since i'm a stubborn bastard who likes Marisa more than reimu, I insist on using Marisa A (which is also a crutch) for everything.
Everytime I get hit on stage 2 by one of those tiny little pellets you can't really see so good because of all the other shit on screen I just quit out of the game out of sheer rage.

>>43418116
>little pellets
I've never tried LLS or most of the retro games, but I find pellets to be easier to dodge than the mediumish sized bullets. Pic related.

>>43421441
It's more the effects that come with shooting that get me confused with what's a bullet and what can be ignored.
Same as MS stage 4 i think.

>>43421441
For me it's mistaking those red bullets with the big P pickups. Fairly easy on the pc98 games.

How long until we get Adonis for UDoALG?

>>43418116
for some reason I have an easier time with the pellets on stage 2 than I do with the ones on stage 1 of MoF, it might just be the contrast that helps, and i understand being stubborn to because I love reimu's first stage theme in LLS.

>>43418116
I've hated tiny bullets since fighting Shimmy and Ringo. I swear the pellets are harder to dodge than anything bigger.

>>43370078
people laugh at Sakuya B but it's how NA took home the DDC gold medal

>>43414191
hsifs scoring is fun but also broken as hell

having said that score is just there for legacy purposes, like graze. only ducks care about it in the first place.

>>43377357
good yajuu image

i managed to 1cc SA recently which i havent done since 2020 using marisaB
i've been trying to beat IN hard mode recently but i always die at the second to last spellcard of kaguya or something
she's easier than eirin right?

>>43427461
>she's easier than eirin right?
Much like Reimu and Marisa, that answer can fluctuate depending on who is playing and the difficulty level they're playing at. I've always been in the Marisa/Kaguya camp myself when it comes to which ones I have more trouble with, so I wouldn't let it discourage you.
Best thing to do is just focus on what's giving you the most trouble and think about why that is so you get a better understanding of it.

>>43369895
I can get through the first 5 stages of mof without a continue, stage 4 eats my most of my lives. Also I think I got my younger cousin into touhou last night, she went as far to try and find the game on the PlayStation store after I had her play it.

>>43428499
Stage 4 is the worst stage in the game, so this makes sense. Practice Aya to get used to her nonsense, you can skip a difficult section of the stage by timing down Momiji a little bit too.

>>43369895
I hate the small bullets tha the familiars shoots at you on th8 so goddam much.

Touhou 19 demo is out. Score is completely gone and cards are back.

Yeah, I'm thinking based.

>>43414191
MoF scoring is nice because of how accessible it is. It's the only Touhou game I've really tried to score.
Graze based scoring is cool with how crazy it can get, but I just end up killing myself.
I feel that especially PCB with the border timings is overly complicated.
>>43425770
HSiFS strikes a good balance, since even without too much grazing or even risky strats, you can get huge pay-offs, and the game rewards you with extends, so even casuals like me are encouraged to think about PIV and scoring. It's nice to have something to do during the early stages.
Tying scoring to survival really should be the standard. I hope we get more of that in the next Touhou game that goes back to the basics.

>>43418076
>cleared ran
>don't see option for yukari
>find out you need to clear spell cards
>do reimu hard 1ccing on first try
>feeling pretty good
>go for yukari
>make it to the last spell card before losing
Well hey, today's been a pretty good day.

>>43422014
This, but I also accidentally fly into them whenever they're close and there's way too many bullets on the screen since Reimu's red.

Man, that was a butt clencher. I thought it'd take me a day or two more of attempts to get this, but PCB is very forgiving.

How is your donatic clear going?

>>43370349
Co-op shmup where you pick a pair and all the bosses are duos/trios/etc that have a connection with esch other

>>43433069
Graze is what differentiated Touhou from other shmups. Removing it is the most retarded decision from a scoring perspective.

That being said, I'd like MoF more if PIV didn't cap so early and easily, deathbombing decreased PIV, and dying didn't destroy all your scoring potential. It might be accessible, but it's actually the least forgiving game for mistakes.

I got the demo for 19 from the thread and it's pretty fun, right now i'm going on SA and just got consistent at clearing Parsee, admittedly with maripatche.

>>43437144
There are 17 official mainline Touhou shmups. I think it's also important that they differentiate themselves from each other. I don't think every game needs to heavily feature graze.
(That said, I hope TH20 is a more normal game with grazing. It's been long enough.)
MoF is far from perfect, but it does some things well.

CROW'S NEST (guy who released the nice Okuu caravan shooter a few months ago) just released a new scoring game:
https://crows-nest.itch.io/crimson-fantasia
I got a score of 10M points on my third Normal run.
Can /jp/ beat my score? Each playthrough is 2 minutes.

>>43440564
i didnt think i'd get even close but i managed to break the hiscore after a few tries.
the secret is that you gotta set up a huge killstreak multiplier at the final wave before yukari, so you get to cash in that multiplier on top of the multiplier combo for destroying gaps

>>43440564
Nice, thanks a lot for the heads up. I'll give it a try soon.

>>43443790
Neat. Congratulations!
So the "gold" (dash-initiated) multiplier is also sustained throughout the Yukari fight? I did notice that Yukari sometimes dropped gold, but I never had a high gold multiplier entering her fight on Normal.

>>43437144
>I'd like MoF more if
This is a good post. How would you fix/improve the scoring systems in your less preferred games, /jp/?

For SA, I love the patterns and general feel of the game, but I'm not a huge fan of timing out bosses and basically never even bothering with the PoC during the stages since you're autocollecting all the time. To make active grazing more interesting, the communication gauge should respond to individual graze for a set amount of time instead of just raising it as it constantly drains. Getting a burst of hundreds of graze in a short amount of time would fill the gauge instantly, but then after a second or two, it would also empty instantly. Continuous grazing would keep it steady at a certain level depending on the rate you're getting it. If the gauge is harder to fill, but has a much higher multiplier cap, maybe autocollecting items can start somewhere halfway to make it not too different from a survival standpoint. To allow the player to better control the multiplier at which items are collected, maybe autocollection only occurs at the PoC or if the player is focused. This would encourage attempting to spawn many items together, coinciding with active, unfocused grazing, before tapping focus to cash in before any items fall off the screen. This would extend to bosses too, where you'd want to make sure you get a huge amount of graze right before finishing a spell card, to ensure the dropped point items are worth as much as possible. The base point item value could still just be determined by the large faith items, and long term total graze wouldn't have to accumulate as the base multiplier, discouraging boring timeout grazing and making deaths have a larger penalty.

>>43450679
I'm an idiot and habitually saged even though this thread is on page 10.

test

>>43450679
Thinking about it more, since resources would no longer be spent sitting on Parsee's face, scoring in many stage portions would be trivialized by SA's replenishing bombs. To discourage it, maybe power items could get converted to 100 or even 1000 PIV faith items instead of measly 10 PIV faith items when at full power, meaning wasting bombs in such a way would probably not be worth it for WR level play (but may provide a more accessible alternative routes to novice players that are just trying to get their feet wet). It may still be worth bombing stage 4 midboss Orin, though.

Is there something cursed about Lyrica in th09?
In most of my normal 1ccs I get the score extend from 70 million points, or at least get close. But with Lyrica I always game over at less than 50 million.
I've tried too many times with the same result to accept that it's just bad luck.

>>43455832
I can't say I've had that issue but if I try to play her Story I almost always get a crash heading into the Shiki fight

>>43455832
it could be that she doesn't match your playstyle

>>43456028
Stop choosing the pallete swap.

I lost hope of winning around stage 5 when I died twice to stupid shit, but managed to turn it around with some really clutch Youmu and Yuyuko performance. I guess I'll do SakuyaA next and move on to another game.

>>43463662
Extremely ominous cherry point counter. Scary.

>>43455832
could be just you
Lyrics was my first and only Hard clear on PoFV

>>43369895
I still can't 1cc normal PCB but I've gotten to around halfway to the 5th stage so far. I'm definitely way better than when I first started so it's encouraging but I haven't been playing a lot lately. Sakuya got me through this far to the point it made me get a her fumo

Why does playing pc98 improve my skill level at a much higher rate than the windows games? I swear I take a break to play LLS or MS for a bit and I go back to windows and everything feels easier. I've gotten 1cc's just by doing this.

Which game should I 1cc on hard first? excluding 11 and 12 because normal is hard in those

>>43369895
>How's the progress
IN broke me, haven't played in over two months

>>43472093
To me it looks like it trains a different set of skills compared to the windows games. The patterns are simpler but faster, so you're forced to read them more quickly.
That's the reason I always recommend people to start from LLS (unless they're purists, in which case they should start from HRtP to find out how the series progressed). It's easy but it teaches the fundamentals very well.

>>43473530
Taking it easy isn't just a meme, after all.

>cleared eosd and pcb extras
>can't clear sa on normal
Time to take a break