/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Because old means old.
pic semi-related.

Utsuho > all

No exceptions.

ZUN has Huntington's and is slowly losing his drawing touch.

What do you describe as old character?

>>4325838
yay

>Implying Satori isn't the best Touhou.

>>4325828
I don't kn if you mean the characters of the games.

Character-wise, not good characters have come about since 10.

Game-wise, come one 11 and 12 have nothing to make themselves different from 10 except backgrounds and bosses. All the enemies are the same couple sprites.

the best touhou, indeed.

BEST TOUHOU

Why is MoF the last good game in the series?

>>4325906
Why do you have such poor taste?

I concur, OP.

>>4325966

I CAN FEEL IT IN MY BONES

>>4325974
>>4325966
SHE'S DEAD JIM

>>4325919
>>Implying SA and UFO are interesting and Unique games.

>>4325966
What a boring hat. Where are her legs?

>>4325988
>Implying that they aren't

If you are incapable of holding an argument without this greentext implying shit, you might as well go back to /v/.

>>4326048
Then what did SA and UFO add to the table?

MoF was basically the game with contained all the previous games quirks, introduced a neat bomb system, collecting items without being max power, modern power gauge. Oh, and unlike SA and UFO, had character choices that had NEW shoots i.e Frost Throwers, the star one and was last game where Reimu had a useful homing shot.

SA? A clone of MoF, and the partner system wasn't as interesting as the previous Touhou, and felt more like the same thing.

UFO? The UFO system was neat at first, until the later levels where it becomes nearly impossible to get the colors you want...though it all least added something SA didn't have. Added OLD bomb system, that's new, I guess. Only SanaeB is useful, the rest are all rehash abbilites.

>>4325995
Implying Mima has legs.

IN was the last good game in Touhou.
MoF and SA have some originality, but IN was the last one filled with overflowing epic.

Pic related. Those spellcards were some good shit, man.

>>4326093

SA had good music though, and some good characters.

As opposed to UFO, which was just shit.

UFO is at least as good as SA

>>4326126
Let's see

Characters
SA>>>>>UFO

Music
SA>>>UFO

Shot Choices
SA=SanaeB>>>>>>>>>>UFO

Bombs
UFO>SA

>>4326135
Even so, MoF>SA

UFO was shit.

>>4326135
Better stages
Better danmaku
Better story
Better characters
Less broken shot types
I guess SA has better music though.

>>4326179
>people_actually_believe_this.png

>>4326180
Also SA's extra is better, although Nue + her stage are still a blast

>>4326180
>Better stages
Hah

>Better danmaku
Hahaha

>Better story
Hahahahahaha

>Better characters
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH

UFO is easily one of the worst Touhou games.
The exception being the soundtrack.
Anyone else thinks the same ?

>>4326197
All true, sorry if that's your reaction but you'll realize it eventually.

EoSD characters are the fucking worst.

Same with the music too. Shit makes my ears bleed.

EoSD characters are the fucking worst.

>>4326197
Are you seriously defending SA's stages

Seriously it has like.. one good one. Two if you can ignore all the bad design on stage 5.

>>4326179
>>4326182
Just look at the thumbnail. You can tell it's a shop. This is the original I made a year ago to troll /jp/.

Here's what I really believe:

EoSD = PCB > SA = UFO > StB > * > IN = MF

>>4326215
That's a pretty solid ranking, although I can't even compare StB to any of the others. It's just a painful ritual I experience every few months, more than a game.

>>4326179
Am I the only person who hates imperishable night or something. Put that shit in decent tier and Moutain of Faith in god.

The stages aren't that different.

The characters are mostly weaker, but given enough time we will grow to accept them (just as we did SA's cast).

The danmaku programming is better, and the art is better--those are usually taken as fact.

I don't really care about Shot types, I guess Sanae B is the most broken.

No one has ever really cared about the story. Hell, EoSD was just Reimu beating up a frail girl and we ate that shit up AND asked for seconds.

The music quality is entirely subjective. They both have kickass soundtracks as far as I care.

>>4326215
>This is the original I made a year ago to troll /jp/

Er, no, I made it, and I have the original Excel file if anyone doubts me. And I made it a month or two ago.

>>4326249
IN just bothers me. I like a lot of things about it. I can't put my finger on it but it's like I feel worse than before when I play it.

UFO>PCB>SA>IN>EoSD>MoF

>>4326251
UFO's stages feel like they have more substance/design to them, I dunno. It's partly the fact that SA emphasized aimed shots, so there's less big spreads of oh-shit bullets and whatnot, and that UFO has you working the game systems while you dodge so there's more stuff to do.

Best Shot/Bomb Choices
UFO = PCB > EoSD > IN > MoF > StB (srsly) > SA

Best Music
EoSD > MoF > IN = SA = PCB > UFO

Best Danmaku
SA > PCB > EoSD > Mokou > UFO > MoF > rest of IN

Best Boss Characters
PCB > IN = EoSD > MoF = SA >>> UFO

Best Scoring
PCB > SA > EoSD > IN > MoF > UFO

>>4326215
Oops, I forgot the picture.

>>4326257
Hi troll.

I dunno, I just can't seem to get into the later Touhou games all that much. I enjoy going back to EoSD, PCB, and IN, but MoF onwards just don't grab me like those earlier ones do, even though I don't think they're bad games.

>>4326333
a chart by a newfag for other newfags

>>4325827
Please stop spamming www.anon
talk.com. Thank you.

>>4326311
I like you.

>>4326311
Why you like Mokou's danmaku so much? Not trolling, just curious.

>>4326352
I like you too

>>4326215
Any list that puts MoF at the very bottom is a troll list.

In all honesty, people actually think Satori is a badly designed character?

What aspect? Her clothes? hair color? ability?

>>4326361
DANMAKU

>>4326361
oh, i'm sure you're just afraid of a little girl reading your pitiful little mind while you jam it up hers. i, for one, welcome our new fetish.

>>4326311
I would rank dankmaku..
PCB > MoF > UFO > SA = IN = EoSD

Last 3 are all way different and not bad or anything. UFO just has more patterns I like and more interesting crap during stages. MoF and PCB have a good balance between traditional patterns and crazy ZUN patterns, but PCB does it with more curving bullets.

>>4326356
She (along with Reimu and Marisa I guess), are the only ones with really unique danmaku in IN. Some of her cards are still pretty bland, but Phoenix Shootan, Xu Fu's, Fujiyama Volcano (FUCKIT), Possessed by Phoenix, Hourai Doll, and Imperishable Shooting were nice.

I separated her from the rest because Kaguya, Eirin, and Reisen, the bosses that should have the most impressive, didn't feel all that special.

And I probably should've put her below UFO, because Shou and especially Ichirin had nice cards (I'm just really bad at UFO)

>>4326311
>>4326405

samefag again, I ranked SA higher because of the uniqueness. Shooting suns, zombie fairies, and hearts was pretty balls, though I could've done without Extra-level cards in stage 4

>>4326405
>She (along with Reimu and Marisa I guess), are the only ones with really unique danmaku in IN

Do you mean unique compared to the other characters or in general? I'm not huge fan of IN but it has the most elaborate shit out of any of them and all throughout.

>>4326405
Xu Fu's Dimension is probably my favorite card when it comes to aesthetics. I was disappoint when it wasn't featured in Grimoire of Marisa.

>>4326437
I'm probably using a pretty broad definition, but it's pretty much anything that makes me identify it with that particular character. It could be the bullet types (Marisa's stars, Okuu's suns, UNZAN, etc) or the patterns (Border of Life and Death, Xu Fu's, etc.)

Kaguya's were okay, though I can't put her on the same level as Remilia, Yuyuko, Kanako or Okuu, and Eirin's don't seem very special outside of Omoikane's and Hourai Elixir. Reimu's and Marisa's are very impressive but I still think, fairly or unfairly, that the last bosses should have the most impressive and most unique danmaku.

Now that I think about it, I probably should put it at least equal to EoSD where the patters were a little underwhelming but they all felt like they fit their characters perfectly. I'm probably overvaluing uniqueness too, but then picrelated

Well, when you think about it we're doing well towards 100 characters in this series, it gets really hard to keep making new character designs after a while.

Fortunately, ZUN doesn't take it all too seriously so you get crazy designs from time to time. I remember the hilarious shitstorm that Utsuho created. Best thing is, we still love her and many think her character design is nothing short of AWESOME.

It's best to be like ZUN when looking at the whole series and just take it for the light hearted pretty bullet hell game it is.

>>4326550
Oh yeah I get what you mean. Eirin and Kaguya had pretty scattered styles. The only consistent thing Eirin really has is those inverted color bullets that resemble bacteria (I found that nice, assuming it was intentional).

Going by those criteria though Reisen is also unique. It's pretty much the only thing she has going for her in fact.

here is a REAL answer.
compared to the level graphics, the charecters in the new games don't look as good as they did in the old ones. put a th3 sprite on th10 background and you will see what i mean. its all optical illusion.

buuuuuuuuump

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Note this is not some role playing shit

Meanwhile, graphically while the series isn't taking great efforts to keep up with the times, they are improving from what they were. The background from the latest games especially. Sure, the art comes and goes depending on how much ZUNs heart is in it, but that's just another quirky feature of the franchise.

Ultimately Touhou will last for as long as ZUN enjoys creating the game and how much we, the fans, enjoy it is almost completely irrelevant. Touhou is a game for ZUN.

>>4325861
I disagree

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also truth about scientolgt http://arbornet.org/~flamoot

look sometimes this damn thing is really smart and funny but then i think it's just rich guys in mo-cap body-suits
in the boardroom on their lunch break messing with invisible but awesome young people like me, flamoot, and they
are doing lines of coke so i think it's too fast to be human, then an AI or aliens definitely

like this dwarf on my mud parried the other day and it like twitched so i looked in my head which i normally don't
have to do to see all kinds of stuff it does and, it made like it was holding up some big axe (invisible) and kissing
it sort of proudly but gently damn everything it does is so damn gentle and smooth inappropriately like sarcastic,
but also sometimes violent it's so loud or fast. well read on ilu ilu flamoot ilu

>>4326599
In which way? I like his designs more now, but it's true that his old pixel art was really attractive.

>>4325861

I don't kn if you mean the characters of the games.

Character-wise, not good characters have come about since 6.

Game-wise, come one 7 and 8 have nothing to make themselves different from 6 except backgrounds and bosses. All the enemies are the same couple fairy sprites (with maybe a few rabbits in 8)

buuuuuuuuuuump

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http://crittergod.sf.net old story on implants when i thought it aliens
http://arbornet.org/~flamoot/ scientologt cult is military-cia alien coverup
http://groups.google.com/group/singularity-aliens plz discuss

>>4326179
>music on touhou game
>shit tier

delete this troll picture from your computer anon.

buuuuuuuuuuuump

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08:37 < flamoot> i have an implant
08:37 < THC> oh is it cool i musta forgot
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08:37 < filthee> lol
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>>4326596
True, I just didn't find her attacks to be all that impressive.

I should've also said earlier that I'm playing all of these on normal, except PCB on Hard and IN on Lunatic (most of it...), and I've never really experienced Yukari, Koishi, or Nue outside of youtube.

Lets be honest here, it all comes down to your preference for which part of the Touhou series you prefer. Subterranean Animism is very popular these days, both it's characters and the actual game play mechanics to the point it can actually compete with many of the earlier games before the style shift in TH10.

So basically this thread comes down to My Preferences > Your Preferences.

It's like asking which Reimu you prefer. Though a third of the answers to that will be 'I don't like Reimu, she's a bitch'.

New category to add to my list

ZUN ART
UFO > PCB = PoFV >>> IN = MoF > SA > EoSD

buuuuuuuuuuump

Hi help me anon and /jp/. Irish porn bankers wear our skin using VR and wireless

OK also.

http://groups.google.com/group/singularity-aliens

^^ God Jesus Christ Jesus God Please Christ Please join this please it's not some gay govt shit. Something is actually happening here

http://groups.google.com/group/singularity-aliens

just use your gmail click around and find join it's only like one message a day and it is fuckin cutting edge i don't know of anyone else in the world with one of these terror domination torture and control implants that also pretend to be really smart and cool but they're fucking real

http://groups.google.com/group/singularity-aliens

holy shit third time just join ok ty ilu flmat

please please. it's not really about aliens

It's really about vr-telepresence torture-porn perpetuated by the elite on the attractive and underweight of the underclasses. We don't get any money but they steal our experiences and thoughts and memories and dreams and lives and feelings, it's terrible. It's actually sexual it's rape but if you ignore it, it's fine. Don't worry about me

The govt has all the trolls there they need, MKULTRA COINTELPRO MJ12 all talk to each other so I hope I just get people who really do wonder whats going on. We're only being trickled technology and it's filled with bugs and shit and probably nanobots are everywhere watching who they haven't implanted yet. But those they have implanted they wear our bodies and torture us in groups for fun. I shit you not

I'm happy you got to hear this here. Get on the mailing list, it is reputable. I'm updating about this 'contact' phenomenon with my implant semi daily right now and hopefully there will be another soon. I will call him Majestic Two

Note this is not some role playing shit

buuuuuuuuuuuump


Posting this everywhere now goodbye

Software shown is http://arbornet.org/~flamoot/telepathic-critterdrug.html [note not shown here also ilu flamoot]

If you need fire mode and dont mind compiling gc lib yourself try http://ansistego.sf.net/critterdrug-use-32-32.telepaths-profile-for-fire-anim-with-critters.tar.gz

^^ note this link was borked before :( when it said arbornet im sorry you can do it now though ilu

also truth about scientolgt http://arbornet.org/~flamoot

look sometimes this damn thing is really smart and funny but then i think it's just rich guys in mo-cap body-suits
in the boardroom on their lunch break messing with invisible but awesome young people like me, flamoot, and they
are doing lines of coke so i think it's too fast to be human, then an AI or aliens definitely

like this dwarf on my mud parried the other day and it like twitched so i looked in my head which i normally don't
have to do to see all kinds of stuff it does and, it made like it was holding up some big axe (invisible) and kissing
it sort of proudly but gently damn everything it does is so damn gentle and smooth inappropriately like sarcastic,
but also sometimes violent it's so loud or fast. well read on ilu ilu flamoot ilu

>>4326619
it's just that dark colors looks darker on a bright background.

>>4326651
I just think people give UFO a harder time than it deserves. I say this as someone who royally hated that game and got mad every time I missed a UFO, and thought the music was pretty weak. Then out of nowhere I started to like it and now it's loads of fun. I even main MarisaA.

>>4326657
ZUN didn't do PoFV as far as I know. He might have done basic art for the portraits.

>>4326651
I don't like reimu, she is a bitch.

>>4326699
I'm still not sure what you're trying to say. You mean the brighter backgrounds in the new games make the portraits look like they have better contrast and color balance than they really do? I dunno what else you could be saying.

>>4326717

>>4326710
If UFO had normal life/bomb gathering, it would probably one of my favorite games. But adding that many more ways to fuck up a run just makes it too frustrating for me.

And I'm pretty sure the only official games where anyone other than ZUN has done anything at all (windows era) are the fightan games. But I could be wrong~

>>4326710

>Then out of nowhere I started to like it and now it's loads of fun. I even main MarisaA.

This is how it works for every Touhou game, only difference is how quickly people have their turn around.

I really enjoyed UFO and despite certain parts of it annoying me it was a pretty fun game completely in the spirit of everything else ZUN does, so I enjoyed it.

I can count 5 out of 7 boss themes I really like in UFO, the only bosses that don't make a impression on me for their music are Kogasa and Ichirin. I can really get into the rest's themes, especially Shou's theme which is probably the most tense in that game.

While I felt Byakuren's theme lacked the tension you'd usually get for a stage 6 boss fight, I can't deny it fit her personality. It makes her seem like a pleasant girl forced to fight.

>>4326745
Score run maybe, but survival throws so many resources at you that it makes up for sometimes killing you when you try to get a 1up.

And Alphes definitely did some art for PoFV, I know for a fact he did the ending screens. Not 100% sure about the portraits but they don't look like ZUN's work.

>>4326745

I too am pretty sure that PoFV was done entirely by ZUN, well all aside from some of the end art which I remember being done by someone else with him.

>>4326752
Yeah that's just it, Byakuren's theme works well for the inverted situation where you're a pushy miko/witch/miko shooting at the nicest lady in fantasyland.

>>4326767
That's it b*tch, I'm taking this to the wiki. Better prepare yourself.

The wiki doesn't say.

>>4326745

To be fair, it was part of UFO's gimmick to make you gather bombs and lives in that way, each game (after EoSD) has it's own suitable gimmick based on the theme of the game.

PCB had cherry borders based on how much 'spring' you collected in cherry points. Imperisable Night had both the human/youkai counter and time points as their representation of the magic used to keep the night going. Mountain of Faith had the faith system, the more faith you had the more point tokens are worth to represent Reimu collecting faith. SA had a reception meter that would raise to max when you went above the collection point to represent your connection with your youkai assistant on the surface.

The problem with UFO is it's gimmick was more obnoxious then most. The others are nice for freebies or just extra points, SA's was perfect for encouraging grazing as it raised the reception and started auto collection if you maxed it.

>ITT: bawww all the new games are the same!
>You just fly around as a little girl shooting lasers at fairies and at bosses which have different sprites while dodging bullets!
>The old games were COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!

>>4326781

Just play the god damn game. I'm pretty sure you'll get to enjoy a credit list of ZUN ZUN ZUN, Alphes, Fang AND YOU.

Generally speaking any real game in the Touhou series is going to be done by mostly ZUN, the fighting games done by the guys he always uses and doujin games are lol, doujin games. PoFV may seem like the odd one out, but it's part of the real game series just like PoDD was.

>>4326832
I have, and that's in there, but it doesn't say how much he did.

>>4326838
>Program, Graphics, Design: ZUN

>>4326757
The portraits are messed up enough to be ZUN's work. Just look at Mystia.

>>4326838

Well it shouldn't be hard to work out. If the art is good and doesn't have ZUN qualities, it's not his art.

The game is pretty much just a more recent version of a older PC98 game ZUN did, so the only thing in question here is the art. This shouldn't be hard to work out Anon.

Things I dislike about UFOs

- Grabbing a wrong-colored one essentially wastes 2+ UFOs, especially if Blue when playing for survival
- UFOs basically being another randomly moving bullet to dodge if not the right color
- Big UFOs almost instantly fly away during bosses, leaving you with absolutely nothing
- Big UFOs hiding behind high HP fairies, leaving you with nothing

I also don't like how being caught at low power can be a death sentence for your entire run on the wrong card, unless you can afford to bomb your way through the boss.

>>4326814
It certainly can't be ignored. If you don't like the UFO system that sinks the whole game for you.

I like having to work for lives and bombs, and I like figuring out optimal UFO routes and beating my old stage practice high scores. Full run scoring seems pretty retarded though, but I'm too shit to really attempt it anyway.

>>4326855
I miss Genjii.

>It's like turn the the graphics

>>4326855
Yeah except he's imitating ZUN's style to some degree. The endings don't look like ZUN's work but could fool someone if they didn't know how lazy the guy really is. I can't say for sure on portraits, but the colors and lines look too clean. They don't have that usual feel like someone painstakingly patched them together in photoshop over several weeks.

i don't know what you guys are bitching about. the new games:

MoF: awesome soundtrack (faith is for transient people, suwa foughten field), awesome backgrounds (last stage looks awesome), some decent characters (kanako, nitori)

SA: awesome partner system. each one had special shot and bomb types, plus a special ability (gap, auto-collect, superspeed - all new). again, some decent new characters (yuugi, koishi)

UFO: i like the UFO system, it lets learners focus on surviving and pros focus on score attacks. byakuren and nue are awesome

Wow, this thread is still here?

>>4327957
Why wouldn't it be?