/jp/ - Otaku Culture

The same reason you can make music threads here instead of /mu/

>>43032502
maybe cuz of retardedness?

Vtubers are otaku culture

Oh gee, I wonder why literal pests aren't leaving just because you drilled a hole into the empty apartment next door. It's almost as if an infestation is a bad thing. I'm sure there totally isn't an overlap with these pests and the monmuso retards that don't belong here either.

>>43032502
I can think of three big reasons.
1) Subject matter:
All threads about Japanese vtubers on /vt/ are bumped off the board by reddit tourists spamming threads about countless irrelevant western 2view twitch ethots whose avatars were made with tumblr-tier artwork.

2) Inherent Philosophical Differences:
/vt/ bans any mention of a vtuber's previous avatars/personalities/channels/etc and gives you a 3 day ban for posting about the person behind the vtuber's avatar aka their "roommate". They also forbid talking about the person's relationships. This is even often true if their old online persona was a vtuber. If you make a thread about Senzawa, for example, even if you don't mention Gura, the thread will likely be deleted.
The posters on /jp/ largely either don't care about the person behind the character or they care a lot about them and recognize the vtuber as just an avatar for their roommate. So posting about their other accounts is largely okay here.

3) Moderation:
Imagine if in the AKB threads here or any other thread about idols, whenever there was a scandal, the mods banned any mention of it and gave you a 3 day ban for even alluding to it. Imagine getting a 3-day ban here for calling a Japanese celebrity a whore.
That's what /vt/'s overly draconian moderation is like. Mods on /vt/ will also often give out 3 day site-wide bans for "trolling" if you say something overly negative or criticize a vtuber in their own thread. This isn't part of the rules and bans aren't issued impartially. Oftentimes, whether you get banned or not is determined by how the moderator personally feels about the vtuber you are criticizing. Additionally, if a thread is overall too negative or a moderator just doesn't like the subject of the thread, then they will often delete it, even if it's a popular topic with over a hundred replies.
Overall, /vt/ has a problem with over-moderation.

Basically, it's like asking, "Why do you keep making Touhou threads here instead of in /v/?" It's pretty much the same exact reason.

>>43034110
Hmm, that's actually quite reasonable. Thank you for the explanation, Anon.

>>43032502
Just harass them in their own thread

>>43033591
>>43033818
Fouond the otaku purists

>>43034110
Even the hololive thread is ridiculously over moderated. It's basically a r*ddit microcosm, and I am 100% sure they are using bots to spam shit.
I got banned for telling them to get the fuck back to /vt/, because some powermod got butthurt.
The worst part? It was for being "off topic". On /JP/. For telling them to gtfo back to /vt/.
It took like 30 seconds for the steers to remove my posts.
Overmoderation is just as bad as undermoderation, which is the main problem of most big sites, it's why 4chan somehow remains useable without degenerating into the mess that reddit is (Which still has a problem with people making CP circlejerks)
9 times outta ten, if a social media platform fails, it's because of overmoderation/powermods.
I obviously don't use /vt/, but if it's like what you say, then it sounds like cancer to me too.
That being said, the holoniggers take it way too far, and treat the board like their private server, which is dumb. They spam six threads every single time their thread dies, use one and then do it again in 4 hours when that dies. There is no reason to be doing that, and since they're all made within ten seconds of each other, they are using bots, end of story.
/vt/ has MAJOR problems (Suipiss, need I say more), but that's no excuse to shit on everyone else and be a cunt on what's now a board that doesn't have as much of an obligation to put up with their bullcrap.
I don't mind a few idol groups and japanese vtuber threads, but hololive defo has the most toxic fanbase that is just generally obnoxious, and that should be stopped.

>>43034708
You are the one being a cunt.

>>43034761
contibute or btfo

>>43034772
You first. You just said "I don't like it" in a hundred words which isn't "contibution".

>>43034781
you just said "no you" in seven words, which isn't contribution.

>>43034786
It's called appropriate response. You don't deserve anything more than that.

>>43034792
You are butthurt I don't agree with you.
That is nothing special.
I gave a few arguments, I gave a few reasons for my beliefs,
And you called me a cunt.
that's not appropriate response, that's shitting into your ethernet cable because I don't want holoniggers shitting on everything.

>>43034814
Your post contains zero arguments. All you did was admit that you regularly shitpost in the vtuber threads and get deleted.
Feel free to shit and piss your pants for another year as you fail to achieve absolutely nothing.

>>43034824
I mean you can boil down any paragraph of text into a dozen words if you want to attack it in a simpler form.
Might you moderate a little?

>>43034839
You say that like it's wrong but it's exactly what you're doing about the situation with the vtuber threads.
Why are there two DJT thread on the board currently and why isn't the older one being used? Why don't they just go to /int/ if they want to spam?

>>43032502
hololive = idol group = otaku culture = /jp/

>>43032502
I don't know, how about you ask that question in IRC instead of here?

>>43034851
>Why are there two DJT threads?
because they have the same number, and it's clear someone accientally made a duplicate.
Spamming six threads in the span of half a minute is not an accident.
>Exactly what i'm doing.
Look man, if you want to shit on me, I can't stop you. Equally, you can't stop me from shitting on holoniggers. That being said, your entire point here is me being a cunt for not liking people being obnoxious on a board that isn't their dedicated one.
My point here isn't " I don't like it so it must stop", it's that they are brazenly being annoying and flooding the board with duplicate threads that remain with 0 posts. Going back to the DJT, the older one has around 15 ish posts. That is MORE than 0. Therefore, we can conclude that it was *an honest mistake* not some fucko getting a bot to spam every time their thread dies.
On top of that, the thread is archived with over 500 posts, from hitting the thread limit to hitting the bottom of page 10. seeing as even the most popular normal threads die with around 350 or so, that means either is massively outpacing every other thread on the board, or they are using bots to inflate the numbers and dump images. Either way, they should try and fix their board instead of circlejerking here.

>>43034912
>it's clear someone accientally made a duplicate
Why isn't the duplicate thread deleted? Why are people complaining about the image in the OP if it's just an accidental duplicate?
>My point here isn't " I don't like it so it must stop"
Yes it is.
>they are brazenly being annoying and flooding the board with duplicate threads that remain with 0 posts
How do you know it's them? I could just say it's you because you hate them so much you want the mods to force them out. That's actually a much more plausible reality than them making threads that they don't even want to use.
>Going back to the DJT, the older one has around 15 ish posts. That is MORE than 0.
A lot of the vtuber threads also have more than 0 posts so this was never really an issue to you.
I think you're being disingenuous here because you know exactly what's happening.
>they should try and fix their board instead of circlejerking here.
Why not take your own advice? You're doing nothing but circlejerking and shitposting. You are not "fixing the board" by doing this.

>>43034928
>Why isn't the duplicate thread deleted?
It's not my fucking responsibility, maybe the admins don't care enough for one damn thread
>Yes it is
How
>A lot of the threads have more than 0
That's fine, the holospam doesn't.
Every other idol group/ vtuber group seems to not have trouble being an asshole, why do the holoniggers struggle so much?
>How do you know it's them?
Because it's the same random images each time.
>That's actually a more plausible theory
It isn't because it all heppens within 30 seconds of the main thread that does get posted on being started, and also even without that, it's not "more plausible", it just suits your argument better.
>take your own advice
It's not my job to fix a board I don't like, I can't do anything about it, and also I didn't come here to fix anything, i just wanted a discussion.
Don't act like I'm personally responsible for kicking them out, I'm not. They however, are responsible for their own actions, which up until now have consisted of being a shitter.
I'm really talking about holoniggers specifically here, every other vtuber seems to respect the board and not shit on everyone else for no real reason.

>>43034960
You just ignored every single point that's too inconvenient for you. It's now clear as day that you know exactly what's going on and that it IS you who is being some of the spam you cry so much about.
>It's not my job to fix a board I don't like
So you don't like /jp/? I figured you didn't.

>>43034982
What points? I can't adress avery single wrod you say like it's the fucking gospels. Say them here, clear as day and I will answer.

>>43035023
The other DJT thread wasn't an accidental duplicate. Why was it made 4 minutes later and why is everybody using the "accidental duplicate" instead of the earlier one? Why were people complaining about the OP image of the duplicate thread?
In the case of vtuber threads those ARE accidental duplicates and they are treated as such but you will never acknowledge this because your shitpost would immediately crumble.
Also, your English is incredibly bad. You should learn to speak properly before posting again.

>>43035059
>Why were people using the accidental duplicate
because it was a duplicate thread, and some anons might not have realized that there was a different one at first. 15 posts isn't a lot, and also it's *one* thread. Holoniggers regularly post AT LEAST three that remain completely empty.
4 minutes isn't that long, maybe he didn't referesh the page?
I'm not that guy, I don't know what he was thinking, but one duplicate thread is nothing to get your panties in a twist over
6 vtuber threads isn't a duplicate, some are made two seconds apart. That's either a hivemind level of coordination, or someone using bots. And yes, recently they have been deleted. As spam. Because they were spamming. And people reported it as spam.
>My english is bad
Sorry, forgive me for typo's. Woe is me for typing quickly and making mistakes. There aren't even any grammatical mistakes worth mentioning, and I'm a native speaker. You just want to shove in another ad hominem argument to make me look bad.

>>43035136
>because it was a duplicate thread
Yeah, but not by accident. It's a very intentional duplicate to avoid using the other thread. You once again ignore me bringing up some posters complaining about the OP image. Why are they doing that? You will ignore this again.
>6 vtuber threads isn't a duplicate, some are made two seconds apart
That's exactly how you know they're duplicates.
>That's either a hivemind level of coordination, or someone using bots.
No, it's a dozen people making a new thread after the old one gets archived.
>And yes, recently they have been deleted. As spam. Because they were spamming. And people reported it as spam.
No, they get deleted by the janitor after the next thread is in use. Sometimes the janitor isn't around and ends up deleting a thread with 100 posts because he doesn't like the OP.
You will just claim none of this is real because are you are not honest about anything.

>>43034708
>They spam six threads every single time their thread dies, use one and then do it again in 4 hours when that dies.
Fucking this. I've got a mile long filter list on most of the time, so I'd never figured out why some threads on /jp/ seem to suddenly disappear despite being nowhere near page 10. Then one day I was scrolling on my phone, which isn't filtered, and there were 12 (TWELVE) new, nearly identical Holoshit generals.

Why is this allowed? Why hasn't this thing been wordfiltered/autobanned on /jp/ yet? You could fix this shit overnight!

>>43034960
>i just wanted a discussion
Your dumb meta thread serves zero purpose. You're just bitching and moaning into the void.
Take it to mods through official channels if it bothers you that much.

>>43035214
Why are there two DJT threads? Let's get them to /int/.

>>43035244
>Why are there two DJT threads?
Someone else said already. It's clearly a mistake.

Meanwhile, new e-celeb generals are spammed regularly. It's a persistent problem. A dupe DJT thread isn't.

>>43035251
It's clearly not a mistake.

>>43035255
Whatever the case, my other argument stands.

>>43035261
It doesn't because you believe this "spam" is intentional when it is in fact not.

>>43035161
>some posters are complaining about the OP image
What has that got to do with any of this?
Also, if we are to "Take your own advice" here, we might as why you ignore everything I say that you cannot directly attack. I don't go into the DJT, I hide that thread because I'm not interested in it. There isn't some grand conspiracy to do (something) by making a single duplicate. Why isn't it deleted? I don't know. I'm not a tranny, nor a mod, nor an admin.
>a dozen people making a new thread after the old one dies.
All within thirty seconds, all with images, all neatly spaced apart in time.
Yeah, that's reasonable. Even if that's true, by the thrid time it would have happened, they should have stopped doing that because everyone KNOWS a new thread will be made.
Or, do what every other popular thread does, (EGG, YTG,TLW, and ALL THE OTHER VTUBER THREADS) make a new one when it reaches 9 or 10, and link back to that on the main one so people can quickly and cleanly switch. Everyone else manages fine, and like I say, a single duplicate thread is nothing unusual, especially when a big and popular thread is about to get archived.
>that's exactly how you know they're duplicates
Because they're spam. They are spamming intentionally. No other group does this. If they cannot abide by the unspoken rule of "don't be an asshole by spamming shitty threads", then that's their problem, and is fair grounds for calling them an asshole.
>No they get deleted...
Ah, so the tranny is an asshole who is powermodding?
My original line still works if someone deletes the threads because they're a r*ddit style of guy.
The problem isn't that they get deleted for different reasons, it's that they get made at ALL.
The consistent reason I don't like Holoniggers is because they shit up the board and kill some good threads by spamming too many threads. I have reiterated, *Everyone else seems to avoid this*
>You will claim none of this is real because you are not honest about anything
Disagreement in the absence of any kind of factual information can hardly be called dishonesty. the facts are the holoniggers are the ones being cunts, and they have their own containment board to be cunts on. My argument is, and always has been, that they should fix up their board if they can't have a modicum of respect for people who want to use this one.
No one has an obligation to put up with their bullshit, and if they cannot make a thread without acting like a toddler, they shouldn't get a damn thread. The spam is there, and it's consistent. That should be inexcuseable, since it happens evrery day, by the exact same people.

>>43035264
>you believe this "spam" is intentional
I said not a damned thing about intention or its absence. I said the "new holoshit/vtuber/online personality generals being posted en masse and knocking other content off the board" problem is a regular occurrence, which it is.

>>43035219
Not the OP.
saw the thread, was bored, now got roped in.
>>43035214
Because the trannies are also holoniggers.
>>43035244
Beacuse someone fucked up or wanted to start their own. A single dupe is nothing, six is spam.
If you want to kick ALL the DJT to /int/, well they are allowed because japan. There, I said it.
Learnign Japanese is handy for those who want to translate or want to read shit that won't get one . Too much bother for me, but it falls within otaku by every reasonable definition.

>>43035276
It's pretty much awlays the holoniggers.
I used to like holo okay, but after seeing their audeince... damn.
Niji, AKB and the rest seem to keep it to a resonable level, enough that it's not a PROBLEM like holospammers are. Again, a dupe thread or even maybe two if they are getting decent useage or people acknowledge that someone fucked up /is a fag is nothing abnormal.

>>43035270
>What has that got to do with any of this?
It's the reason why nobody is using the earlier thread and instead went into the "accidental duplicate" thread.
>There isn't some grand conspiracy to do (something) by making a single duplicate.
So you believe that there IS some grand conspiracy behind hololive threads?
>All within thirty seconds,
>all neatly spaced apart in time.
They are all made after the thread dies. You are just too mentally ill to understand this.
>all with images
How the fuck do you make a new thread without an image? Please englighten me, oldfag.
>Because they're spam. They are spamming intentionally.
Nope.
>No other group does this.
There is not a single "group" that does it. It's just regular posters in the thread making a new one when the old one dies. Nobody is spamming threads intentionally. Nobody is breaking any kind of unspoken rule, except for you making these meta threads and intentionally being disingenuous about everything.
>Ah, so the tranny is an asshole who is powermodding?
Deleting duplicate threads is not powermodding. It's what any mod should be doing. They are powermodding when they come back to a thread they do not like and delete it to force everyone to move into a new thread they do like.
>*Everyone else seems to avoid this*
But they don't avoid it. Other threads also get duplicates and they don't even get deleted.
>Disagreement in the absence of any kind of factual information can hardly be called dishonesty.
So you're claiming the things that I said happen, actually don't happen. You are being dishonest.

>>43035276
You calling it spam implies it's intentional when you do not call other duplicate threads spam. There are several duplicate generals taking up multiple spots on the board all the time. There's even a second DJT thread that bans vtubers that has no reason to exist.

>>43035310
>Beacuse someone fucked up or wanted to start their own.
Wrong. They made that thread because they didn't like the OP.
>A single dupe is nothing, six is spam.
It is spam, intentional even. The six threads come about because over a hundred people are suddenly without a thread unlike with other generals on the board where a new thread is often made even before the old thread is gone.
>well they are allowed because japan. There, I said it.
You don't actually believe that because you will make an exception when it comes to vtubers.

>>43035368
You are claiming that things that do happen, don't happen.
You're a retard.
Half of your post is just going "nuh uh" whenever someone says anything, and the other half is making wild conclusions about whatever everyone else says something you might actually have to htink about.
You have zero gruonding for any of this, you have no argument beyond "no it's not" and you are explicitly giving preferential treatment for a bunch of spammers.
So enlighten ME you fucking third-grader, how do YOU want to handle this situation?

>>43035368
It is an accepted part of holonigger culture that a dozen people post threads simultaneously trying to time their OP right after the previous general is archived to get their favorite girl as the new general. There is no self-moderation about this. They brag about it.