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>>4299789
I can basically go through 1-4 without dying.
Sakuya and Remilia and is like EXTRA STAGE compare to the first 4stage.

I hate Mei-ling's first spell card, that stupid colourful chime always kills me, that or I bomb it away

>>4299823
This should leave you with plenty of bombs... use them.

Practice modo.

Play with continues until you master it.

i agree with OP.

i use a gamepad to play Touhou and i think that its impossible to get past lvl 4. i'm learning to play with my keyboard but shitsux

>>4299789
EoSD was my first touhou game, I made it to level 4 without losing a life. On level 5 i-it just went downhill...

>>4300103
agreed. i'm using a keyboard and i think its impossible to get pass level 3.

>>4300151
>>4300103
Guys? You serious?

>>4299789
my experience was:

level 1 : this song sux... oh fuck, the artwork is fucking horrible.
level 2 : still piss easy, the music gets awesome from now on.
level 3 : what the shit, suddenly bullets everywhere!
level 4 : HAX
level 5 : fucking japs

>>4300167

Most of us were the same the first time we ever played Touhou.

I got owned hardcore by Alice in PCB the first time around. Now I can usually capture every spell.

>Implying anyone good plays Touhou without a keyboard.

>>4300167
3lvl here, partly.
a) whenever i move right, my bomb bottun doesn't function.
b) i refuse to use continue.
c)i actually can get to the 4th level, but i die rather quickly.
d) i'm to lazy to practice.

Stage 5 is easier than 4.

Do Practice Mode until you can beat the stage within the two lives it gives you; that's generally a good indication that you've mastered it. It only took me a week of a couple hours of practice a day to go from getting curbstomped by Cirno's nonspells to 1CCing Remilia.

>>4300210
I've cleared Lunatic with my trusty £5 Microsoft keyboard.

Protip: Use whatever control method you're most comfortable with. While I'd use a keyboard over a pad or stick for Touhou any day, I'd rather use a stick for arcade shmups and a pad for console shmups.

>>4300210
do people really think this?

I would wager most of the world record holders use sticks, I'm fairly certain ISO does at least and nobody else matters.

My MoF 1cc experience.

S1: Left, slowly tap to right, left, right, middle-right, stay on right and tap towards right, PoC and slowly tap to left, midboss, stay close for midboss card (...) Bomb the boss away.
S2: Left, dash to right, stay middle-right, go to middle left after fairies there are dead, weave between mid-left and mid right, go to bottom left, start tapping right (...) Bomb the boss away.
S3: Take down two fairies to the right, tap towards left, stay on near leftmost to take out two big fairies (homing kills the right one) (...) Bomb the boss away.
S4: Go to left, slowly tap right, start dodging like crazy on the pin-shooting fairy, go to rightmost, stream the homing volley, kill the pinshooter, go to middle, wait for the first fall to come down, safe place on near rightmost, pass through, come back to middle while dodging the homing shots (...) Bomb the boss away.
S5: LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT BOMB BOMB LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB
S6: Bomb EVERYTHING

>>4300266
Stage 6 is is STREAM STREAM STREAM, until the fairy at the end pops up.

I can beat EoSD Hard but not on my laptop because I can't move diagonally. I don't like my laptop

OP here. I'm playing right now, and doing practice mode I can't even beat level 4. I'm deeply offended.

My PCB experiences. To be honest, if you lose a life on any of the first three stages of any games, you are failing pretty bad at Touhou.

After stage 3 is usually where shit gets real and they break out the stage 4 bullshit.

>>4300577
What if I only lose lives on the first stages?

Oh hey, I may as well post my PCB 1cc experience.

S1: Alright, I'm here to kick as... HFNHFTMUTYU WHY DID I DIE TO WINTER SIGN
Restart
S1: Let's do it this time... HFNHFTMUTYU WHY DID I DIE TO WINTER SIGN
Restart
S1: Third time's the cha... HFNHFTMUTYU WHY DID I DIE TO WINTER SIGN
Restart
S1: You better start yielding, FUCKING game... Cool, here we go.
S2: At least Stage 2 is pleasa... GHNFNTNYNU CHEN MIDBOSS DEATH WHY
Restart
S1: Alright, fuck this. 1cc this time or bust, no restarts allowed... Oh lovely, I died to second noncard.
S2: Chen sucks.
S3: Fuck this, Alice is 20 times harder than Prismrivers
S4: At least. Get lives, get bombs, get raped by Merlin's opener.
S5: Youmu sucks.
S6: So does Yuyuko. Easiest boss after Kanako.

In conclusion, fuck Letty.

>>4300628
>>4300577
is PCB that much more hard than EoSD? Kinda scared.

>>4300756
PCB Easy and Normal are about the same in difficulty, so depending on which difficulty you play EoSD may be easier or harder. (quote: EoSD is the easiest game. It has only 5 stages)

>>4300756
>more hard

I don't think there are any harder games than EoSD on normal, hard or lunatic mode may vary

>>4299785
Stop spamming www. anon
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All these threads about /jp/ sucking at Touhou is starting to convince me that none of you can play the games well at all.

I mean OP is fine, but seriously guys.

>>4300756

Not really, it's just that PCB has particular moments of boss level bullshit. Youmu's criss-crossing bullet non-spell card usually fucks me up while I'm getting rather good at the rest. The Prismrivers are only bullshit if you are playing someone other then Reimu, with Reimu they just have a few troubling moments.

Yuyuko is deceptively hard, as in there are spellcard where you think she's not as bad as the rest and you can take a break, only for some horrible godforsaken trap card to come about.

My experience with EoSD however is more the first three stages are easy street with you losing a life on something early if you are unlucky/stupid, then suddenly just being harsh all the fucking time. At least on PCB I can rest on the stage segments, I've gotten used to stage 4 so it's just the bosses that fuck me up. EoSD the stages are sometimes pretty bullshit, then you hit Patchouli (easiest of the three but still tough at times), Sakuya (FUUUUUUCK) and then Remilia who is tough, but more because she uses those bullets like god damn shotguns and sprays at shit. I have more trouble with Sakuya and her bouncing knives.

>>4300805
so EoSD is the hardest on normal?

>>4299787
Stop spamming www. anon
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>>4299788
Stop spamming www. anon
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>>4300849
I'd say PCB is the easiest Windows game simply due to the fact you get like 11 lives and 4 bombs for Sakuya, and SakuyaA homes. You can bomb pretty much everything and 1cc Lunatic.

>>4300852

These days it's a toss up between EoSD and SA for 'toughest game on normal', I'd move up to hard but lol, each games stage 4-5 rapes me, unless it's like Imperishable Night where you may as well place every difficulty setting aside from Lunatic as one lower then advertised.

All things said and done though, PCB gives you much more then EoSD so it's much easier. I'm not going to complain about the lack of a visible hitbox in EoSD because it becomes a moot point once you've played enough, but PCB gives you a free ride with those cherry borders. It's like a couple free bombs a stage that you can refuse to use as a short term insurance. Only problem is you can't completely control when you get them.

>>4300872
How's that compared with the number of lives and bombs you get in MoF and SA?

>>4300872

but why would I want to play Sakuya when I can play a good character?

>>4300896
You have to wait until UFO.

I find EoSD extremely hard, I have absolutely no problem on the first 2 stages, I somehow manage the 3rd and, then, those fucking books, and I'm doomed.

PBC is actually pretty easy except for stage 4, fucking stage 4. Apart from that, playing Youmu on practice is not so bad, however, Yuyuko is hell for me, the huge look of her bullets but their actually small hitbox confuses me.

>>4300872
Except you fight MERLIN, no amount of bombs can save you from that.

OP needs to practice, when I started touhou I did an easy mode run in eosd to get used to the controls then went to lunatic and 1cced on my first try. Use the bombs. Hold shift for focused movement, and never continue.

>>4300884
SA gives you plenty of bombs (especially as Marisa B) you just have to know how to use them wisely.

It is still the hardest game on normal though in my opinion, I still havent cleared the fucking game, 1cc or otherwise. Some of the bullshit Utsuho throws at you has no right to be in normal mode.

>>4300936
Which ones in particular?

>>4300936
Did you not play UFO?

>>4300881
thx, I started Touho two weeks ago with EoSD, since I got it recommended in a thread like this, also to start in normal, since easy is just too easy
I get to Remilia's 2nd life, then bye, so I think I'm gonna move to PCB for a while

>>4300912

Stage 4 isn't a problem once you've practised it enough times (on at the very least normal ideally). It's a good place to get used to streaming because it's practically all you will do on PCB's stage 4.

I also remember enjoying Shoot the Bullet for teaching me not to hold down shift all the fucking time. There are many times when speed is pretty essential.

Given enough time and practice you start to understand the mechanics of each shot type and how close you can get without actually dying from it. It's like those huge bullets, the edges aren't going to do shit to you but look intimidating to new players. The trick is to get used to how things target you (if they target you at all).

>>4300936

Posting SA's real boss. Utsuho's shit is pretty predictable, hard in places but something you can get used to.

Orin has those god damn cartwheels of death that hurt my eyes, and that fairy bullshit.

>>4300884
SA gives you plenty of bombs but you really have to use them wisely because of the shot penalty.

I would say it is still the hardest game on normal. That fucking cat WILL make you cry and dont get me started on the shit Utsuho throws at you. Some of their spell cards have no right to be in normal mode. I still havent cleared the fucking game 1cc or otherwise, hell I got to stage six with five lives once and still got obliterated.

Very fun game though, great way to teach yourself grazing.

>>4300959
tbh, orin isnt that hard on normal, hell for the fairies you can misdirect them up to the top of the screen then just rush her down with any character, and because it's normal you can merely misdirect again if you dont kill her. 2nd card durrrrr can I move in small circle, 3rd card requires a broad vision and ability to cross over the smaller bullets quickly which is imo the only semidifficult card, last card is merely ring around the rosey. Orin is easy.

>>4300936
>>4300965
Sorry for he redundant posts, my connection is wonky.

>>4300940
I havent 1ccd UFO yet but there is really nothing that compares to stage 5/6 shenanigans in SA. I have no problems with brofists and anchors like some other people apparently.

>>4300965
In normal utsuho is cake as well, her first card is the only hard one really due to random bullets, but without the 2nd blasts she fires in hard or lunatic at least you can wall yourself trying to get through the path. the flare card just requires reading the blue bullets as the big red ones dont travel fast enough to really wall you like in lunatic, 3rd card is just testing your ability to stare directly into a light bulb while seeing bullets (protip you can no vert it in every difficulty level if you are a badass with your hitbox) 4th card more no vert stuff finding the giant vagina hallway sized gap between the rotating giant circles, last card is a test of your patience as you shoot it until it dies.

>>4300965
>That fucking cat WILL make you cry
<---

>you really have to use them wisely
Not really.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=2261
When I trained to 1cc SA Lunatic, I practiced until I could do at least stage 1-3 perfectly. In this replay (actually a bad run (first 1cc)), you see that I bombed much more than I wanted and still finished the game with 6 lifes. And if you can get through with this bombing in Lunatic, it surely works in Normal as well.

First 3 stages are fine until the actual stage 3 boss. Can't handle her spell cards.

I've made it up to remilia with all continues used and can't imagine at this point to ever completing it with one continue.

The problem with practice mode is that you only have 3 lives. Not much to practice the spell cards without bombs.

>>4300884
MoF gives more bombs, but less lives. I guess MoF is easier on Normal, but PCB Lunatic has a shitload of giveaways (From the top of my mind, Merlin's second noncard, Yuyuko's first, second, fourth noncards and fourth card, Youmu's noncards/Human Realm Sword are things you'll capture 100% without effort. )

SA is outright murderous, especially if you use Marisa.

>>4299785
Stop spamming www. anon
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>>4301008
Im not saying its impossible obviously, by this point I can clear stage five with maybe bombing once or twice and no deaths. It just took countless attempts to get to that point.

Utsuho is a different story. I have a huge problem with the concentric circles coming from the top an bottom, my brain just cant weave through it. I have to bomb/die permanently currently and that leaves me way to weak for the last spell card.

>>4301008
wow, that's a cool chart. did you make that?

>>4301043
This.

I always lose at least 2 lives on that card.
And I fucking suck at the last spellcard.
1CCed SA Normal 3 days ago. Felt awesome for the rest of the day.

>>4301069
Its funny, 1ccing is the ONLY way for me to clear SA, if at all. There is no way I will beat it with two lives after continuing, and I am good enough at stages 1-5 to usually have many more lives than that.

>>4300577
I lose more lives to Stage 4 and the Prismriver sisters than Youmu and Yuyuko combined ;_;

>>4301124
How is that possible? Stage four is really not that hard and I havent even 1ccd the game yet. Just dodge the really fast shit at the last moment (and dont move too far) and you will be fine.

The sisters arent that hard either, you might have to bomb once or twice when backed into a corner but come on.

>>4301124
>>4300577
No, Youmu and Yuyuko gave me a harder time than the Primsrivers. Even level 4 itself gave me more trouble than them. For some reason I was able to adapt to their patterns easily from the beginning. I struggled too, but not with them.

curving lasers

>>4301047
It has been here since the beginning of the SA era. Just a bit hard to spot at times.

>>4301047
yes

>>4301146
I'm actually not sure how it happens. I find Yuyuko to be rather easy (on normal mode anyway) except for one or two attacks. Same with Youmu. I don't know if it's because I keep going into stage 4 with the wrong mindset but the entire stage + the sisters generally chip away 2 to 3 lives. There's also the fact that I suck at death bombing but if I didn't run into the bullets in the first place that wouldn't be an issue.

>>4301159
thanks for the effort then. is there a site or something with more?
>>4301152
I've probably seen it before, but I'm just recently getting back into trying Touhou seriously and having a hard time time with SA at the moment. I've never been able to pass Orin.

>>4301198
Sisters used to be a big WTF fest for me, but I got better at general shmuppery and came back and cleared them unexpectedly easily on hard mode. Youmu is definitely harder with spells like that goddamn red cluster one and her main noncard that walls me in every time the 2nd barrage comes out.

>>4299786
Stop spamming www. anon
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>>4301251
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Touhou_Wiki

>>4301251
There's one more for Parsee, but every time I post it, people call me Madden.

>>4301386
People have problems with Parsee?

I have no problems with Parsee but I use Patchy, so yeah.

>>4301463
Needle Reimu is no problem either. Once you know when to stop shooting or how to follow her the right way she is really not hard at all.

Its a stage two boss.

>>4301485
Well I'd much rather take on Stage 4 and Prismrivers twice (barring Merlin opener obviously. ) rather than the clusterfuck that is Chen. Don't underestimate Stage 2 bosses.

>>4301445
>>4301463
>>4301485
People complain about her first spellcard (green-eyes monster) for some reason.

>>4301463
Parsee is the same shit on every mode too.

I managed to perfect her lunatic stage after 2 attempts.

>>4301043

I lose most lives on that one and the final bit as well. I simply suck at moving a little to different directions to avoid bullets.

>>4301043
try doing it no vert along one of the sides. its pretty easy to do in normal, harder in hard/lunatic but still equally doable

After ~month of practice on EoSD on Normal with Marisa-B stages look like this:
1 - Rumia LOL
2 - Cirno LOL
3 - Meiling... bomb your last spell too random LOL
4 - Patchu LOL but thx for lives bye thx, bombed those green blobs coz I hate 'em
5 - Sakuya bombing youre mid-boss 1st spell, I hate you. otherwise u easy LOL
6 - Remilia u'r cute wanna hang out with me? LOL all my bombs on your last card I hate it

It's not too hard.

>>4299786
Stop spamming www. anon
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>>4302304
LOL SO RANDOM XD

>>4302304
are you on youtube? post some clips there would you. :3