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>Symphonic Rain
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MEANWHILE, AT WITCH HUNT

If Battler seeing Kinzo in ep 5 proves he's not the detective, could it mean he's not the detective in episode 2 either? Or could it be the first two episodes don't follow Knox because they weren't created by AuAu like the next four?

>>4291820
Message has become a synonymous of faggotry and delays.

>>4291847
He was the detective in EP1-4.

>>4291850
I don't see the problem.

>>4291847
Reread that scene carefully.

1: It was almost like golden leaf confetti.
2: The interior of Grandfather's study was filled with a golden glow....
3: And, ...... there was a sofa like a reception chair in front of the study desk, .........where I could see Grandfather's back.
4: There was someone on the side opposite from Grandfather.
5: ...It was a shadow, so I couldn't see it well....
6: "...... Master. I brought Battler-sama."
7: "............Battler, is it? I'm busy thinking now... Be silent for a while......"
8: Kinzo declared that unhappily, his back still turned.

At line 2, Kinzo is called as "Grandfather."
But at line 8, it has been changed into "Kinzo."
Probably line 1-5 are detective's POV, and line 6-8 aren't.
What Battlar really saw are "Kinzo's back" and "someone on the side opposite from him."
Of course he saw Kinzo's corpse.

And notice that in the anime, Kinzo didn't move at all in this scene.

>>4291845
Fuck you. At least they are translating it, and they are being more productive than you sitting on your ass browsing /jp/ all day.

>>4291847
You're looking at this the wrong way. The idea in ep 5 is he can't be the detective because he lied about seeing Kinzo, since he couldn't mistake something else for him. But in ep 2 he didn't mistake anything for him or lie, he was just dead drunk and imagined the whole thing.

But for the second part, yeah, we've been warned Knox may not always apply, so the idea the two writers followed different conventions is as good as any.

>>4291928

Someone's butthurt

>>4291941

Someone is right

>>4291928

I don't really give a shit if the translation ever comes or not, I have every right to mock it.

>>4291928
I don't just sit and browse, I masturbate too.

>>4291943

Someone is right you are butthurt.

>>4291949

It's U MAD. No question mark.

See, asking U mad? Isn't as insulting as YOU'RE MAD BRO AHUHUHUHU NOTHIN YE CAN DO SINCE YOU'RE MAD AS FUCK.

It makes you angrier being foced to be angry rather than being angry of your own steam ya see?

>>4291847

Battler possibly lost his detective authority when he surrended to the witch.

Just finished it last night. Fucking shit.

Ryukishi really needs to bring back the mystery instead of focusing on terrible romantic plots.

>>4292042
It WAS mystery.

>>4292042
well, you can focus on the closed room of ep6
also BattlerxBeato is one of the best things of umineko

>>4292042

Sorry bro, it's not longer mystery it's meta discussion about anti fantasy vs anti mystery with a love story interwoven and awesome music.

I must admit i'd been hankerinf for a decent alternative mystery and this filled that till it went meta.. but i'm still following because i fell in love with the setting and characters.

>>4292042
1-4: Mystery
5-7: Bullshit filler while answer is slowly revealed

>>4292088
I wouldn't consider characterization as a filler, but ok

>>4292062
>but i'm still following because i fell in love with the setting and characters.

This. The GOLDEN TEXT OF TRUTH AND LOVE killed any hope I had for a story, but I've become so involved with the characters I can't give up on the series. Less romance, more mystery, plz.

>>4292120
Shitty repetitive characterization count as fillers for me.
It's not like the characters in Umineko are interesting or complex.

>>4292141
well, then just not read it
the first four episodes were all based around the characterization of one character, and I for once enjoyed Natsuhi and Krauss backstory and the relationship between Shannon and Kanon

>>4292088

The answer should has already been revealed.

>>4292167
It was, enjoy your DID meido.

>>4292156
>the first four episodes were all based around the characterization of one character
This is complete and utter bullshit. Pay more attention.

The Natsuhi story was actually somewhat relevant to the plot, or at least made out to be so.

>>4292173
What this guy said.

I still haven't read ep6, so maybe it's just that every episode of Umineko Chiru will be like this, but I have to say that End of the golden witch was a fucking big disappointment and the black sheep in the series.
Or maybe it's just that my expectations were soaring in the heavens thanks to all the internet hype.

>>4292173
I will cum buckets when DID maido is proved false by bern

Oh come on, people. Natsuhi's backstory is about the same level of quality as some south-american tv drama.

>>4292291
Haters gonna hate

I for one loved it.

>>4292291
I felt the same way, and well, I have some bad news for you...

>>4292173
>>4292302

>http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2855401

>http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=2894305&postcount=1211

>Keys were found next to corpses and both Shannon and Kanon's corpses were found in Episode 3

It's dead Jim.

>>4292544
We already went over this.
Going inside or out of a room isn't the same thing that staying in a room.
Erika's presence in episode 5 and 6 is never contested.

In episodes 3, the red text said that the letters were next to corpses, not next to the corpses of Shannon and Kanon.
Not the same thing.
Given the way the closed room was made, it's possible that someone moved Shannon's corpse to the Chapel after it was discovered and dressed it up like Kanon.
Especially possible since Shannon and Kanon were injured in the same place.

There is a reason why ShKanon is basically accepted by the Umineko fanbase in Japan.

>>4292585
>There is a reason why ShKanon is basically accepted by the Umineko fanbase in Japan.
Yeah, and that's that they love trannies.

Also lol sourceless statement

>>4292585 implying Shkannon died in Episode 3

Way not to understand Shkannon dumbass.

Kanon is Beatrice.
Shkanon is just a red herring.

>>4292643
http://schiphol.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/gameama/1265076591
Go read it, heck ShKanontrice is even in their QA
ξ(`・３・)紗音＝嘉音＝ベアトで決まりじゃね？
Ａ.有力説ですが確定はしていません。


>>4292665
Not saying she really died.

>>4292676
for this scene someone should just make the motion graphic one

>>4292062
>meta discussion about anti fantasy vs anti mystery
Actually it's simply a meta discussion about storytelling.

>>4292128
>GOLDEN TEXT OF TRUTH AND LOVE
Well, I haven't read the 6th yet (because lol translation) but the golden text is just true because it's established Battler knows everything about the fifth and sixth game, so obviously he knows where Kinzo's corpse is too. The underlying message, Bern's reference to both "and then there were none" and "the murder of Roger Ackroyd" plus Lambda's reaction, implies he has in fact seen Kinzo's corpse with his own eyes but disguised this fact in his narration, since he's allowed to lie this time around. He's still left at least one clue to it though, maybe more, and all that's left is combing the fifth game for said clue.

So far the most obvious narrative spot to "hide" Kinzo in is actually the Kinzo he saw while outside on the first evening, which may have been Kinzo's body being carried away to be hidden in the forest.

>>4292726
in ep6 it's supposed he knows where Knizo's corpse is since he does explicit references to it
for gold text, it actually fits the whole thing but the only one we have is:" you created that rose petal with your own magic, I'm impressed" in meta-world

>>4292685
>It's plausible but not definite

Besides, we all know Kyrie is the culprit. It's the only mastermind who has a definitive reason and method (that isn't fucking retarded. The reason behind Shkannontrice is retarded and faking deaths is so third rate, it's not even funny).

>>4292774
Kyrie always die.
And what reason would she have?

>>4292774
we all WANT her to be the culprit, but the woman just makes it too difficult to balme her
-face gone
-stomach full of sweets
of course she could be the one manipulating and she gets caught and dies, but still is just difficult
although she has a good motive and we still don't know her backstory, which are pluses

>>4292774
And yet the novel that has provided much of the inspiration for Umineko has at least one person faking their death, if I'm not mistaken.

>>4292784
To have Ange inherit the Ushiromiya fortune for the Sumadera family.

And the reason she dies is due to a betrayal by her sister.

>>4292774
>The reason behind Shkannontrice is retarded and faking deaths is so third rate, it's not even funny

Knox said it while defending Erika: a pathetic sounding truth is still a valid truth.

>>4292796
Her sister has no power on the island.
And nothing show that Kyrie is so hungry for money that she would have a murder-suicide like this.

>>4292665
> implying Episode 3 wasn't a Kyrie hijack

>>4292804
she may be full of vengeance because of her 'miscarriage'
she isn't Beatrice, she can do it for vengeance

>>4292796
That's a little confusing. So the Sumadera family treating both Kyrie and her daughter poorly was just an act?

Ange also received a pin # to the vault with 100 million yen. It doesn't seem like the mastermind expected Eva to survive and then pass the gold on to Ange.

>>4292811
Nothing in the fantasy or meta-world scenes show that Beatrice is manipulated by a hypothetical mastermind.
The fantasy scenes have to show a side of the "truth", it can't be simple bullshit.

Honestly I can understand that you guys want to use Kyrie so much but it's getting stupid.

>>4292790
Yeah, it's the central twist. The culprit faked his death with the doctor as his accomplice (though the doctor didn't know said person was the murderer). And yet "and then there were none" is very much considered first rate (though it's controversial because it violates the real version of Knox's first though, worth noting, not the Umineko version of Knox's first).

>>4292819
>Nothing in the fantasy or meta-world scenes show that Beatrice is manipulated by a hypothetical mastermind.
Ah, but actually yes, Beatrice is consistently portrayed as Lambda's pawn from the second game on.

>>4292790

Too bad that Kyrie cannot be the Beatrice at the end of Episode 1, as her death is confirmed in Red.

>>4292804
The goons that do the killing for Kyrie betray her under orders from Kasumi.

>>4292812
Ange wouldn't give up the fortune to the Sumaderas. Hence why Kasumi chased her across the city and all the way to Rokkenjima to kill her.
Eva wasn't joking when she said that there were people coming after her in the end of Episode 3. She was being hunted down by assassins trying to finish the job.

>>4292838

Are you suggesting the mastermind has a background in the occult and taught "Beatrice" everything she knows?

>>4291812
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>>4292820
it's considered first rate because of the execution of the end
it was perfect, it even gives you the hints of why you should have suspected him, but I thought it was obvious, while I didn't know he means, he was a judge, and the killer was passing judgement, at least that was clear

>>4292838
No, she isn't considered as her pawn.
Lambda is never considered as a direct factor in the game, she is just what gave power to Beatrice and what can remove her power as well.

'Meanwhile at wich hunt' are classics, but I miss the BEST MOM threads.

>>4292844 The goons that do the killing for Kyrie betray her under orders from Kasumi.

There are no goons from Kyrie's and Kasumi's family on the island during the time of the Rokkenjima Incident.

>>4292847
Yes. He also died over a year before the family conference of 1986.

'Meanwhile at Witch Hunt' are classics, but I miss the 'BEST MOM' threads

>>4292857
Episode 6 hidden tea party. Beatrice is described as being a pawn by default.

>>4292805

I never implied that. In fact, I believe Kyrie played a very important role in that Episode (finally killing Shkannon and killing Nanjo).

>>4292863
Or are there?

The amount of people on the island at any time during the game is always set at 17 max. However, nothing has been said that the number of people on the island cannot go up once it has been lowered. Once the number of people has been reduced when the murders begin to occur, it leaves 5 (or 6) spots open for new people to arrive on the island.

The new arrivals who come after the first twilight are Sumadera black suits who proceed to kill everyone else, including Kyrie (though she is occasionally killed immediately, thus throwing her into the first twilight's victims)

>>4292876
A pawn that can become a king of queen.
It fits the whole DID thing.

>>4292585

Huuur.

Yeah I know we went over this, and you're just as stupid now as last time.

>Going inside or out of a room isn't the same thing that staying in a room.

Way to connect two completely different arguments that aren't connected at all. Battler could and would have said Shannon and Kanon are in two different places in red.

And yet again, Erika's presence or not is not the point here.

>In episodes 3, the red text said that the letters were next to corpses, not next to the corpses of Shannon and Kanon.
Not the same thing.
Given the way the closed room was made, it's possible that someone moved Shannon's corpse to the Chapel after it was discovered and dressed it up like Kanon.
Especially possible since Shannon and Kanon were injured in the same place.

The first letter was found next to Shannon. We were shown this. At that point 'Shannon is a corpse'. And moving the corpse isn't possible either as we knew where everyone is at the time- Everyone but Battler, George, Jessica, Maria, Kyrie, and Rosa were in a group, and they were all shown in the guest house immediately after they broke off from the group.
And either way, it kills Shkanontrice, even if you want to make some inane argument about how Shkanon is possible- because Shannon was guaranteed to be a corpse when they were found, and "6 people are dead" was guaranteed in red.

Even if you assume Shannon and Kanon are the same person but their personalities count differently, that wipes out the possibility of a third- because that personality would have died too when Shannon was physically killed.

>>4292870

I wouldn't mind if this was the end to Umineko; the servants faithfully following their dead master's wishes. The only thing I have a problem with is why they wait for Battler to return.

>>4292881
Episode 6 pretty much destroys that idea with its ending red text. The reason it was always "no more than" in previous games was because the actual number is not 17; it's 16.

>>4292881

Rokkenjima is a perfect closed room. No outside factors can influence the island after the typhoon starts.

Pony Theory does not work.

>>4292881
This theory is as odious as Shkannontrice, if only for the massive asspull it create.

The idea behind a closed island scenario is that the amount of people remains static, Ryukishi already fucked around with that when it comes to Erika receiving Bern's miracle, but I'd like to think he's not just going to say "LOL WHAT, WHO SAID A STRIKE TEAM COULDN'T GO ON THE ISLAND XD"

>>4292906
>it's 16

I saw this coming since EP4 confirmed dead Kinzo. Oh Ryukishi07, you and your double twists

>>4292891
This is just speculation, but it might have something to do with Krauss/Natsuhi's orders or Kinzo's will. Which I now find strange myself.

Shannon and Genji were scene interacting with Kinzo's illusion and he asked her to write something down. Natsuhi nor Krauss haven't mentioned anything of the sort. And Kinzo's relationship with his grandchildren doesn't seem that strong at all.

>>4292889
>>Way to connect two completely different arguments that aren't connected at all. Battler could and would have said Shannon and Kanon are in two different places in red.

He didn't though.
And yes this is the whole point.

Either ShKanon happens or Erika doesn't exist, one or the other.

>>The first letter was found next to Shannon. We were shown this. At that point 'Shannon is a corpse'. And moving the corpse isn't possible either as we knew where everyone is at the time- Everyone but Battler, George, Jessica, Maria, Kyrie, and Rosa were in a group, and they were all shown in the guest house immediately after they broke off from the group.

Moving the corpse is possible for Kyrie and Rosa.
Episode 3 was completely different in its execution, it's possible that Rosa was an accomplice like in episode 2.

Also LOL INSULIN, it disgusts me to use it but it's possible that Shannon faked her death that way.

>>4292924
>Oh Ryukishi07, you and your double twists
There is a meta world, and Ryukishi and M. Night Shyamalan are fighting each other for who can create the biggest bullshit TWEEST.

>>4292916
he wuld go again Van Dine's then, not that we know if he matters, because more than once he's mocked two or three of his rules, but still

>>4291814
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>>4292935
one question, it disgusts you for Jessica but you suddenly like it for Shannon?

>>4292906
In any case, the number of people doesn't matter: in the end, people die, and others replace them.

>>4292915
It's never specified that the typhoon completely cuts off the island. The boat captain said it himself that he could have managed to go through the typhoon.

>>4292916
Coming from the man who brought you hallucinogenic parasites? In any case, whatever Umineko ends with, it's going to be disappointing. Either "Bisexual DID-does-not-work-that-way meido that fakes his/her death constantly" or "A-Team did Rokkenjima"

>>4292889

>And either way, it kills Shkanontrice, even if you want to make some inane argument about how Shkanon is possible- because Shannon was guaranteed to be a corpse when they were found, and "6 people are dead" was guaranteed in red.

Actually, the argument for that is that the personalities of Shannon and Kanon died, leaving only Beatrice. After being discovered in the parlor, Beatrice waited for everyone to leave, went to the chapel, disguised herself as Kanon, waited for everyone to leave the Chapel, returned to the parlor, and redressed herself as Shannon.

>>4292857
>she isn't considered as her pawn.
reread Lambda's first appearance. Beato's owes her everything and follows her whims... for a time.
>she is just what gave power to Beatrice and what can remove her power as well.
>taught "Beatrice" everything she knows?
yes, Lambda can stand for someone who took advantage of the actual killer's motivation to have his or her own objective accomplished, and provided the killer with a plan but didn't take part of it, in other words a mastermind.

So Kyrie can be the one who planned the killings once she found out there was someone nuts enough to carry them out for her, someone all too happy to have a killer plan served on a silver plate. It's even possible Kyrie planned to spare Battler (thus why he survives until late in the game), but then "Beatrice" decides to betray Kyrie and include her in the killings.

Of course the Kyrie-as-Lambda idea still means she needed a Beatrice to actually carry out the murders.

>>4291815
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>>4292959
I never said I liked it, either for Jessica or Shannon.
Oh and I hate the ShKanontrice theory too, don't make that mistake.

But I'm not deluded to create all these theories around Jessica/Kyrie that aren't supported by anything in the game.

ShKanon happens, ShKanontrice has all the chances to happen too.
It's going to be messy, it's going to be very disappointing but it's going to be the true.
Don't blame me, blame R07.

>>4292979
Lambda is never seen killing anyone or summoning furnitures to kill for her.
She never interacts with anyone on the island in the fantasy scenes.
She isn't a factor, she does represent something though.

That something is easy to understand when you realize what both Bern, Beatrice and Eva-Beatrice represents.

>>4292995
Shitty writing?

>>4293003
Other than that.

>>4292995
If you think that something is eqasy to understand, name it.

>never seen killing anyone or summoning furnitures to kill for her
Of course. The very nature of the mastermind allows her to just provide the killer with a plan and then sit back.if the killer gets caught or killed, killer gets the blame. If not, the plan succeeds.

>>4292995
Beatrice represents love
Eva-Beatrice represents both greed and the "chain of hate"
Bernkastel represents the sort of person who treats a mystery novel as nothing more than an interesting puzzle, and doesn't care about the characters
Lambda represents the Chief Editor

>>4293064
> Lambda represents the Chief Editor
...Who?

Alright, I want to propose something different.

As we are already spoiled to hell with EP6, I'm almost sure you all already know that EP1-2 are the original "EPs" and that EP3-6 are Touya's "fanfictions", made with the truth. I'll completely disregard magic for now, so nothing about "witch that watches fragments".

If EP1 and EP2 were found in the same "fragment", and EP3-6 were written in the same "fragment" as well.. And if in said "fragment" Eva survived the "Rokkenjima Mass murders", then there's something awkward there.

In EP1, Eva dies in a closed room on the bed, along with Hideyoshi in the bathtub. Was she dead? I don't recall Nanjo doing a quick autopsy of her body, but whatever.
In EP2, Eva dies with a vertical cut on her stomach, filled with candies and other things. It must have been fatal.

According to a witch hunter (EP4) who claimed to have read the original letter(s), he saw "Beatrice's handwriting" as "Maria". It's either EP1 or EP2, and in both EPs, Eva died.

Then how did Eva survive? Was she really dead?

Also, in Touya's first fiction, EP3, Eva survived. EP4, she apparently died, but that was a complete magic scene. EP5, Eva didn't die (guessing, game board ended before we could see further). EP6, Eva died. For some reason I want to completely ignore Chiru, as it looks like a complete magic board with no trusted POV.

What are your thoughts on this?

>>4293064
>Bernkastel represents the sort of person who treats a mystery novel as nothing more than an interesting puzzle, and doesn't care about the characters
Nah. That could kinda be Erika, who the personification of the arrogant detective (down to the way she uses Poirot's fave expression), but Bernkastel herself only represents the side of the detective, since she's also helped Battler and Ange, who cared very much. It's not that Brenkastel doesn't care, it's that she's not even a sort of person, she's the drive to solve.

Alright, I want to discuss something different.

As we are already spoiled to hell with EP6, I'm almost sure you all already know that EP1-2 are the original "EPs" and that EP3-6 are Touya's "fanfictions", made with the truth. I'll completely disregard magic for now, so nothing about "witch that watches fragments".

If EP1 and EP2 were found in the same "fragment", and EP3-6 were written in the same "fragment" as well.. And if in said "fragment" Eva survived the "Rokkenjima Mass murders", then there's something awkward there.

In EP1, Eva dies in a closed room on the bed, along with Hideyoshi in the bathtub. Was she dead? I don't recall Nanjo doing a quick autopsy of her body, but whatever.
In EP2, Eva dies with a vertical cut on her stomach, filled with candies and other things. It must have been fatal.

According to a witch hunter (EP4) who claimed to have read the original letter(s), he saw "Beatrice's handwriting" as "Maria". It's either EP1 or EP2, and in both EPs, Eva died.

Then how did Eva survive? Was she really dead?

Also, in Touya's first fiction, EP3, Eva survived. EP4, she apparently died, but that was a complete magic scene. EP5, Eva didn't die (guessing, game board ended before we could see further). EP6, Eva died. For some reason I want to completely ignore Chiru, as it looks like a complete magic board with no trusted POV.

What are your thoughts on this?

>>4293182
Battler never checked the corpses in EP2 so who knows.

>>4291814
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>>4293182
Don't trust Featherine, she was lying for most of the time
from a magical PoV, she as a witch observed the kakera where the events occurred and just wrote everything she saw
from a non-magical, it was mentioned in ep4 that more letters had actually appeared in that world, so she could have just taken the information from them
TIP: Touya is not inventing them, she clearly keeps a conversation with Bernkastel at the end, which would be impossible and they even know each other

>>4293182
what? every episode is a different fragment.

>>4293182
The fiction theory is just that, a theory.

You're getting ahead of yourself to assume otherwise.

But to humor the thought, Battler never really checked Eva and Hideyoshi's corpse in EP1. He was crying as per fucking usual outside the room when he heard George scream.

Of course, this suggests at least half the island was in on it, since I believe other people walked in too, but there you go.

>>4293220

That's not my point.
Please, reread:
"According to a witch hunter (EP4) who claimed to have read the original letter(s), he saw "Beatrice's handwriting" as "Maria". It's either EP1 or EP2, and in both EPs, Eva died."

>>4293231
Battler touched on one thing that turned out to be right in EP4 teaparty, why was Natsuhi stood in front of the epitah.
Battler theory was someone was telling her to stand at that spot which makes a lot of sense.
Krauss was kidnapped in EP5 which i can't see why he wasn't kidnapped in EP1,2 &4 either.

>>4293231

Then George is incredibly suspicious. He even hugged Eva's corpse. How could he not be able to tell?

And in EP2, didn't Battler see the wounds of the corpses?

>>4291815
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>>4293251
We don't know what Battler saw, he never used his detective privilage in EP2 first twilight.

>>4293058
Sorry for the late answer, real life is a bitch.

Beatrice = Love
Bernkastel = Curiosity
Eva-Beatrice = Greed
Lambdadelta = Murderous intent.

Beatrice is the personalization of the culprit twisted love for Battler

Bern symbolizes a twisted sense of curiosity.

Eva-Beatrice symbolizes the greed of the parents in episode 3, also Kasumi's greed in episode 4.

Lambdadelta represents murderous intent, or basically murder as a concept.

Lambdadelta gave power to Beatrice because the culprit can only realize her twisted love for Battler by killing people and following the epitaph.

In the same way she gave power to Takano.
Takano used murders to get her goal, becoming a God.
Though Lambdadelta felt disappointed as Takano didn't wish to her to directly become a God.
It symbolizes as Takano used goons to do her dirty work.

Bern is curiosity, or in fiction she symbolizes the "detective".
A cold and logical machine who only want to solve the problem without caring about such thing as the emotions of those involved and shits like this.

>>4293182
>If EP1 and EP2 were found in the same "fragment", and EP3-6 were written in the same "fragment" as well.. And if in said "fragment" Eva survived the "Rokkenjima Mass murders", then there's something awkward there.
Actually that just means you're dealing with three of your "fragments". EP1 and 2 were written by "Maria", EP3,4,5,6 were written by AuAu, *and* there is the future shown in Ep4 and 6 (they may even each be their own reality, partially matching), where Eva survived and the six episodes exist as fiction, and EP3 is just one of those fictions whose outcome was made to match Eva's factual escape, as AuAu's first attempt to improve the tale by basing herself on known facts.

>>4293231
I think there's enough evidence that at least one death is initially faked in every game. Episodes 5 and 6 are obvious, Ep1 has someone appear as Beatrice, someone kills Nanjo in Ep3, Ep4 is messed up and the order of deaths isn't clear, and Ep2 has the insulin theory, which is supported but I believe to be incorrect, but someone else could have been faking.

The question is, are the faked deaths necessarily connected with the murders? After Ep5 I'm not so sure, and from Ep1 the family are shown ganging up on Krauss and Natsuhi. Could be someone is simply taking advantage of the situation to kill people off for real. Nanjo's Ep3 death and the servants' deaths in Ep1 could also be a revenge killing, not the actual culprit.

>>4293251
There's a hint in Ep1 that George is in on the family's blackmail plan. I believe it's either Eva or Hideyoshi who suggests he should come to the conference, but then it's decided he should stay with the other cousins.

>>4291813
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>>4291812
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>>4293400
About George, I jusb think it's just Eva's intent to, you know, attend to how nasty and sketchy the world of adult's is, more like a lesson of life, practical way

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>>4293277
Then what do Featherine, Ange-Beatrice, MARIA, and BATTLER represent?

>>4293481
All the witches represent strong emotions or concepts.
Ange-Beatrice is "the desire to go home", probably.
MARIA and Featherine are creator class witches and therefore represent different things.

If the other witches represent concepts found in fiction, MARIA and Featherine represent the writers of said fictions.
MARIA wrote the diary.
Featherine wrote episode 3-6.

>>4293481
Oh and BATTLER represent the desire to protect.
He wants to protect Beatrice from those who want to reveal her nature to the world without a care about her feelings.

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>>4293277
>Beatrice = Love
I have doubts about that one, at the very least she's more than that, since she's the one who kills Battler at the end of ep4, and he doesn't die from love but a giant fucking explosion. Plus that would make love subvervient to the killing intent, and it doesn't really make sense, the other way round would, but lambda could never stand for love. So love is probably not among the forces represented yet (or maybe partially by Furfur and whatshishername, but they sound more like passion crimes).

We know, though that Beato at least stands in for the murderer, *and* the inevitable murder process.

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>>4292790
Well, the brilliant bit about "and then there were none" was the fake corpse was eventually confirmed (in red, so to speak) to be a real corpse, with the trick being that the eventual official time of death had been estimated wrong (because of a diary entry by a real witness to the fake corpse) and the culprit had been willing to commit suicide to perfect his alibi and his crime.

>>4293277
> Lambdadelta gave power to Beatrice because the culprit can only realize her twisted love for Battler by killing people and following the epitaph.
I thought the whole thing with Lambda was that she acknowledged Beatrice as a witch, because Beatrice wanted to be recognized as one by other witches, but in exchange she used Beatrice's game as a toy for her own amusement, and that the game itself has nothing to do with Lambda's powers.

To me, Lambda seems to represent the desire and will/drive to succeed, or something along those lines. Murderous intent could be included, but I don't see Lambda being limited to just that.

>>4293647
Yeah, Beatrice acts as a scapegoat.