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I'm currently reading Tsuki R.
Vlov is in desperate need of the Heaven's Feel.

>>42691458
>didn't fix the embeds

>>42691458
ugly discount illya

>>42691496
Generals work on a good-faith system, if you don't want embeds there, don't put them in the first place. I aint gonna check every link just because some of you dumbasses don't know how to copy paste with 4chanX.

Can hiroshimoot please increase filesize to 10mb or something? The number of times I have had to downsize 4-8mb pixiv files should not happen to anyone.

>>42691561
Right after we get AV1 support.

>>42691509
But enough about yourself

>>42691588
I may be ugly but I am nothing like Illya

>>42691607
We're all little girls here though? I don't get what you mean.

I wouldn't mind being an ugly discount illya.

Vlov route when?
not a sexual one, but becoming best bros with Vlov

>>42691561
Also this is the chink redman profile pic artist, who is probably the best Mahoyo fanartist now. Dude has improved nicely over the years.

>>42691773
Maybe the sacchin route will have a Vlov team up against Nero.

>>42691458
Why is she looking at me like that? Does she think she's better than me or something?

>>42691773
Vlov and Garcher bonding over eternal suffering

<Prediction> Sacchin route will be the most sexually suggestive one, and Nasu will push the limits of the 17+ CERO rating in Japan. I'm talking sloppy, gooey and sweaty babymaking sessions, all explicitly hinted at through text on a black background, and an extremely boundry-pushing VA performance.

>>42691773
Satsuki will use depletion garden on Vlov by accident to protect Shiki and get rid of his principle, which will let him be a cool fella that just wants to fuck up Roa. They will be friends for the whole route

>>42691957
>me and the boys kill Roa

So Princess Arc is basically a fundamental aspect of Arc that existed once Arc's vessel came into existence and she represents an Arc that's been living for thousands of years. And she isn't bound to a time axis.
When normal Arc loses control a fragment of Princess Arc shows up on the surface. Luminary Arc was stated to be a small aspect of her.
That's basically it isn't it?

Read Honey Adventure today but wasn’t able to post the images I saved so here goes. I want fat Touko.

>>42692236
Hmm? What was that? Oh, I'm sorry anon, do me a favor real quick and put this collar, it's a new item made for suicide bombing attacks.
What was that? No, no, I don't care about your complaints.

t. Touko

how good are Touko dolls? Does HF Shirou have bodily functions?
why didn't Shiki ask Touko to fix Mikiya eye and leg after the whole weedman encounter?

>>42692389
Mikiya didn't want it fixed.

>>42692389
Hard to say. The writing in HF True is really bad so it's hard to tell if he was just written lightly or if he's deficient.
So at best he's a faithful recreation of himself with gaps in his memory and at worst he's a salaryman sex doll Sakura keeps around to plug her holes.

>>42692236
What’s with Nasu making make Church overseers that are sociopaths?

>>42692582
One day Nasu will write a church person that you wouldn't mind being your friendly neighborhood pastor.

>>42692639
Holy shit, it’s pretty metal to just kill a Magician or someone that was about to become one just like that. What the fuck.

>>42692667
Good feet. I like it when they aren't overtly wrinkly, soft is better for girl feet.

>>42692840
What a badass

>>42692916
typical priest morals

>>42692916
Huh, what a strange power to have.

>>42692958
MEoDP?

>>42692982
Grandpa is not dead.

>>42692958
Can’t believe Touko loved the same guy that killed her Grandad. Mages are messed up.

>>42693033
That should be obvious from the relationships of Aoko/Alice, Aoko/Touko, and don't forget that even after Eiri destroyed the Aozaki granpa's body, they still maintained their friendship.

It's honestly one of my favourite part of Mages in the setting. Even enemies can always become allies and join in on slice of life fun even after trying to kill each other.

>>42693033
It does feel like Touko has changed too much to truly fall in love again with her first love but she still seems to like her old town.

>>42693086

>>42693125
Cute

Can't help but feel that Aoko/Touko will end up killing most of the Church.

>>42693137
Wow, Beo has a crush on Souji now or just loves sweet food and is trying to live now as a human?

A reminder that Kohaku is the most overrated character in Tsukihime/Melty Blood etc.

Just once I want a TM protagonist who isn't a seemingly powerless teenage boy who turns out to have elder god tier powers capable of bending hercules and dracula over his knee and spanking them around.

>>42693241
I wished Sisigou was the protagonist of Apoc. No jesus powers, just an experienced, smug mage who has lots of tricks up his sleeve.
That shit's cool.

>servants in Melty
DAs in Extella when?

>>42693241
Literally Soujuurou. He doesn’t have any power up bullshit. He’s just a genuinely trained assassin who has wild animal instincts and common sense that grew weaker overtime because he got accustomed to human civilization.

>>42693266
>Predator class saint graph

>>42693241
It's not real chuuni if I don't have cool MC powers.

>>42693366
I didn't say no cool powers, I said no jesus powers that invalidate the rest of the universe's lore.
Imagine a TM protagonist who is just a clock tower mage with an ABSURDLY large magic crest. A completely conventional mage, but with a massive mage history behind him instead of a japanese high school boy who can make excalibur or scribble on people to win

>>42693389
>I said no jesus powers that invalidate the rest of the universe's lore.
That only describes Shiki and Aoko.

>>42693389
Isn't gun god a guy that found a gun?

>>42693241
I think Kiritsugu comfortably sits in here. Shouldn't there be a Tsuki equivalent of Kerry?

>>42693564
We know nothing about what happened to the fate characters in Tsuki timelines, only some of the inverse. Not that Goetia destroying the world would be of narrative interest in Tsuki timelines or anything.

>>42693241
Hakuno and Guda fit that bill.

>>42693389
>no japanese high school boy
woah woah anon calm down.

>>42693626
>>42693389
yeah, it's time to grow up, next up should be a university student.

Arcade Brewneschtud

The interaction between Princess Arc and Kuku makes clear ORT is an invader.

>>42694053
Ort is pretty obviously an just a super-advanced alien spaceship from outside the solar system. No idea what the spider was. Maybe it was the original Type Oort that the ship killed and "absorbed" in its typical fashion.

>>42693564
Part of me wants to know and experience more of Kiritsugu, but the other part of me knows that such a thing will only lead to another continuity breaking and illusion shattering shitshow like Zero

>>42694467
Yes

I think Roa is Nasu's self insert.

>>42694053
They can find a way to share Guda it's no biggie

>>42694109
We don't know what it is (but probably Daybit and Tezca and the Maia know) but can literally fashion into whatever it eats, so it's moot. Kukul despite being mellowed since she's part Malla (which makes her Arc 'sister' and the nice/archetype of it, vs the ort invader predator connection) even says "ORT eats anything it wants" in a dark way.

They gay

Did this foreshadow Mario route?

I was going to make a joke about how black holes’ continue consumption of everything, with no apparent goal or end, would probably just make them natural embodiments of the Fifth (“consumption and extinction”)), just like Tsubame Gaeshi is a natural embodiment of the Second…
But then I realized, what ARE black holes in Nasu lore?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX6cQA5CTQM
Arc's choco scene has some lore about things.
It confirms 'Archetype Earth' is just the vessel of the planet's memories, and that's the third ascension. First ascension (the True Ancestor Princess) is a what if who never encountered her "fate" (Whether is Roa or Shiki or both) and acquired her father's directive.

>>42695232
Big spots of death, as far as we know, there's nothing given about them in lore. Although I can see quite a few people making theories, maybe what lies in the other side is the root?

I rember doing this with some shitty online AI a while back. Will try and see if I can make it better by using the AI the anon from last thread suggested.

>>42695345
i'm sorry but we don't talk about that fgo whore in /tmg/ anymore

>>42695345
I thought Princess Arc’s line to Arcueid about a small part of her nature showing up when she goes on a rampage is a nice touch. It’s also a call back to her MB story mode where she says that she and normal Arc are still the same person, just that she had a longer time existing then you have lines of her telling everyone to let her off the hook because she just thought destroying the Earth would be “fun”, to which Ciel points out that she’s still the same old Arc despite being more powerful.

Playing with AI really exposes Takeuchi's same face syndrome. Archer was Arihiko all along...
>that hair
pretty sure it mixed up designs with HF Shirou, like https://litter.catbox.moe/5p31v1.png

>you will now realize that almost every single female he drew has those split bangs down the middle

fun experiment anyhow. And in case someone's wondering, making Saber with this is outright impossible, it makes some unholy Arcueid merge.

>>42696589
damn

>>42695345
First Ascension is stated to be the strongest as well. And she is also clearly KT/MBAACC Hime so this basically confirms that version of Arc is time-displaced or unbound by the time axis.
Also it's interesting to see more confirmation that Arc can physically and mentally interact with her other selves in the inner sea's dimension, as we already saw in Actress Again.

>>42695526
absolutely no one cares, take it to /g/ or something

>>42697245
rude

>>42696589
>>42696705
On second view it's a shame that it's not knife ears

>>42697703
>>42696705
yep, no braid either - thought the same when I looked it over after ur post. Might play with it more later

>>42695526
it wont recognize Aoko probably w/o training on her imgs, iirc it tends to home in on Rin instead

I only imagine Akiha with massive breasts because she's best girl and best girls should have best tits.

>>42698431
How does it feel being wrong?

>>42698431
kill yourself

>>42691458

>>42698431
Based, but now she just looks like that one kyoani stacey

Rin is lesbiam

>>42698758
*lesbian

>>42698731
You mean Chitanda Eru?

>>42698781
No, the other one from the same show. Irisu.

>>42698431
How can you even say you like Akiha then? Because it doesn't seem like you actually like her for who she really is -- you like your own idealized construct of her that exists inside your head.

>>42698822
Or you could say that I like Akiha and hate Takeuchi.

>>42698807
Pretty cool.

>>42698807
>filename
kek

>>42698807
cute vampire sigurd

>>42698837
They should kiss

>>42698912
They should kiss Sigma, the protagonist of the Nasuverse.

>>42698922
is that a webtoon protagonist?

>>42698953
I can see why you would think so
>shitty art
>has a nose
>wearing incomprehensible outfit
>pretends to have no personality
>vehicle for author's commentary
but no, Sigma is the protagonist of Fate/strange Fake. I think.

>>42698912
I agree but there is no good Aoko x Rin stuff. Hopefully it will change in the future. Rin and Aoko are the best girls of Type-moon.

>people in my thread read mahoyo
>they actually fell for Aoko's smear campaign of best girl

Who will Touko and Aoko be channeling when they're inevitably summoned in FGO?

>>42699039
Do they even NEED to channel someone? They can probably turn themselves into Servants if they want to with their magic. Hell, they don't even need to be Servants, they could just appear one day.

>>42699050
Probably not, considering fucking Fujino is there.
I just don't like the idea of them being there without being pseudo servants, bizarrely enough.

I think the most interesting "missing" character in FGO is Zelretch. I bet he abandoned the timeline completely.

>>42699064
Zelretch just said "fuck this shit, I'm out of here". Also, Gransurg killed himself because he didn't want to live in a Fate world, I share his sentiment.

>>42699084
why does she look like a hooker here

>>42699089
She's attempting to seduce a young boy again. The simple methods work best there.

>>42699084
Aoko is really the best. I want her and Rin.

>>42693564
Kerry in Melty when?

>>42699089
She just wants to look hot to her male or female lover.

going to the Beach with Aoko

>>42699097
Unless we’re talking about 2099, that’s impossible, no way the femcell would ever get a date

>>42698790
>Akiha but with big boobs
I kneel kyoanichads, the peak of design. I prefer her flat mind you but you cant go wrong with Akiha

I wish they at least tried to make the servants in Melty fit
>lorewise
>aesthetically
Edmond, for instance, doesn't feel out of place.
That being said the only servants that could possibly exist in Melty are Proto Arthur and Musashi, and that's because they're kaleidoscoping for various reasons.

Anything with Arc in Fate is fanservice and non-canon.
I don't think Arc can exist in Fate since the main difference between Tsukihime and Fate is wheter Crimson Moon is active. And why would Gransurg kill himself if there was even the slightest chance his master could be revived through Arc or Altrouge if either of them existed? No one has an answer to that.

lucky boy

>>42699416
Well I suppose it doesn't preclude Arc from existing, but it would also mean she's not Arc "Brunestud"

>>42699027
Touko smells bad and is ugly

>>42699438
I wonder who is behind this post...

>>42699365
Dantes design is really good when you remove the artstyle. Yeah he looks egdy enough.

>>42696046
>>42696850
It's specifically a version that doesn't exist at all now. So that got retconned (or as Nasu would say, incinerated! Lev couldn't kill himself in that worldline. Sad.) basically she's a version of Arc who never met Roa or Shiki and went on embracing Crimson Moon role in the future. Nasu probably retconned that old lore to fit Arc's true route (third ascension also mentions something like that in Koyan's line).

>>42699365
They should have used his drama CD design

>>42699436
As in she is not a True Ancestor? Only way I can see that being the case, otherwise it means CM can be revived.

>>42699498
It was already implied in her profile. First Ascension isn't possible, she belongs to an ideal what if future that never took place. Perhaps she got pruned with old Tsuki, and only remains as a remnant of Arc's memory.

>>42699503
idk about there not being True Ancestors at all, but she at least can't be the vessel of CM

>>42699503
The 'Archetype Earth' exists regardless, but may not be shaped as Arc or humanoid. It's the memories and alter ego of the planet as record keeper, can't move from a certain place either.
We know in Fate, True Ancestors got wiped out by the Clock Tower in a systematic hunt down (LB3 hints) as such. Top mages are also country-continent level now, as of new lore. It's just a tip of power that went from the Church to the Clocktower depending the setting.

>>42699498
>It's specifically a version that doesn't exist at all now
Uh, no, that's not what she said. She outright said she doesn't exist materially and her very nature is a what-if according to Crimson Moon's ideal. But she still exists inside Arc's mental landscape in the Inner Sea, much like old lore.
If anything that hints to Arcueid's control over parallel worlds. Something Nasu added to Arc's Remake skillset since Arc is creating parallel worlds while sleeping and Princess Arc herself said she sees different versions of herself in parallel worlds.
Besides, we know for a fact there is no retcon since Archetype shows up in Roa's ending in Lumina. If Nasu intended to retcon her he would have altered or removed that ending altogether.
Princess Arc outright says she is the vessel itself and normal Arc and 3rd Ascension are derived from her.

>>42698431
Based and true. Shiki will make her pregnant and massage her tits and give her big boobs.

>>42699525
No, you read it wrong. She doesn't exist physically as an entity, but she still exists as an aspect of Arc which is consistent with old lore.
>prunning
Princess Arc is outright stated to have control over the prunnin phenomenon in MBBAN manga since she is the will of the world.

My headcanon is that Touko got her own Shiki that exists to one-up Aoko's Shiki.
Fuck timeline bullshit.

>>42699546
>We know in Fate, True Ancestors got wiped out by the Clock Tower in a systematic hunt down (LB3 hints) as such
Post quotes. I don't remember any such lines.

>>42699576
>The sister’s either appear or indirectly affect all of the main stories
>Mahoyo is recommended by Nasu himself to be a good starting point for the world
Are they the true TM protagonists?

>>42699551
She outright says she's an inexistent but ideal/correct 'what if' of a version of Arc from a thousand years in the future who followed her father's instructions after missing her fated encounters.
"Nonexistent" is the key here, anon. She doesn't truly exist. She's not in the future. She's no different from a simulation.

>If anything that hints to Arcueid's control over parallel worlds.
When was this hinted? Just making some shit up in your head and larping isn't the same as 'controlling parallel worlds' anon.

>Something Nasu added to Arc's Remake skillset since Arc is creating parallel worlds while sleeping and Princess Arc herself said she sees different versions of herself in parallel worlds.
It never says she can create that at all.

>Princess Arc outright says she is the vessel itself and normal Arc and 3rd Ascension are derived from her.
Because she brags about being the best possible outcome, that's why.

>>42699546
>The 'Archetype Earth' exists regardless, but may not be shaped as Arc or humanoid
Not necessarily, even in Tsukihime wordlines the brain of the planet in the form of Arc was only barely created by the True Ancestors at the very end of their life. It did not exist before. And that's only in Tsukihime.

>>42699587
Zelretch is the TM protagonist.

>>42699579
I'm way too lazy. But replay Yu Meiren's and Marisbury's encounter. He brings up how True Ancestors were killed systematically by mages. Archetype Earth is just a record holder who doesn't move at all. Arc obviously was different from her real natural purpose when she was assigned that hunter of the fallen true ancestors duties but never happened in Fate, they got wiped out by mages. They might have lost power since CM died for real.

>>42699595

>>42699592
>Not necessarily, even in Tsukihime wordlines the brain of the planet in the form of Arc was only barely created by the True Ancestors at the very end of their life.
The Archetype is just an alter ego record holder of the planet memories. Third Ascension and dino arc confirm it. You're probably thinking Archetype earth shaped as CM vessel and True Ancestor Princess which are different things, since she's no longer from Earth, just a Moon invader.

>>42699546
*Sigh*
I sure preferred when it was all the same lore and everything was happening simultaneously in their own way.
Personally, it made the world feel… wider, as if there was something new happening at every corner.
You had the Mages messing with everything occult and then you turn your head and there waste church breathing down your neck as a secret organization, and then you go up the mountain and there are secret werewolf villages, and there are groups of vampires constantly going around and fucking everything over, so forth and so forth.
Nowadays it is: the mage association controls the world/the church and the Apostles control the world, it feels much narrower.

>>42699617
A single TM continuity is hard, but it might be the purpose of the remake series if he throws away some arbitrary bullshit.

>>42699617
arcueid x shiki just doesn't feel the same anymore

>>42699590
Again, that's the same as old lore Arc. That statement isn't literal since obviously if she didn't exist she wouldn't be talking to anyone there. Her storyline doesn't exist and is some sort of what-if simulation, that's what she means.
>When was this hinted?
Red Arc's ending in Lumina.
>Because she brags about being the best possible outcome, that's why.
No? Her being the vessel itself isn't bragging. It really is just a fact and consistent with old lore.
That's why the other two ascensions are minds derived from the experience of the vessel while she is the vessel itself.

>>42699617
Those still exist, but who is more powerful than other changes, anon. Mages are still in Tsukihime but weakened while in Fate they came on top and are the protagonists.

>>42699615
>(In fact, the True Ancestors were only ever birthed to create a frame on the level of an Alter-Ego of Earth. All True Ancestors outside of Arc were failures. Yet in the True Ancestors’ last days, they succeeded in creating the Brain of the Planet that had been desired in the first place).
Perhaps Alter Ego of Earth =/= Archetype.

>>42699617
To add to your comment: Remember little touches like EMIYA and Ciel being friends? Doesn’t happen anymore. It doesn’t even make sense for Ciel to be in the church anymore in Fate worlds.

>>42699635
>That statement isn't literal since obviously if she didn't exist she wouldn't be talking to anyone there
Are you for real in an arc (no pun intended) about fiction and simulations being real at some point and you can switch with the real thing?

>>42699648
>Perhaps Alter Ego of Earth =/= Archetype.
They defined Archetype as Alter Ego in LB7. We know it's not the same as Type or Ultimate One too. Kukul is ORT Archetype.

Okay anons, how would YOU handle a singular TM Continuity? I don't mean EVERY event has to happen, like Apoc is incompatible with the rest of Fate for instance. Triage what you wish.
I think you begin with ORT's landing.

>>42699651
There's nothing stopping her from ending up in the Church anyway though. It just wouldn't be for same reason, she's still more than capable of being an Executor

>>42699647
This still kinda falls into the point, at least for me.
It was a big thing, as I saw it, that there was no “protagonist” no one “clearly coming out on top”, rather that it was an expansive world where no one was clearly winning, but rather everyone was trying to contend and the world ended up falling into an equilibrium that could be broken at any point, should any one side succeed.

But, honestly, that might just be a “me” problem.

>>42699655
Dude, the entire point of the latest arcs of FGO have been that simulations, dreams and reality are indistinguishable from one another.
It doesn't matter if that version of Arc is a simulation, she can switch with her normal version and she also has a more powerful nature than any other form of Arc.
She was conceptually born with a set story to her, that's the reason why she is also time-displaced.

>>42699666
Literally just how things were before the split, except things that are “this is changed because this is that world” don’t exist, and are just their original selves.

>>42699660
Yes, but Arc is different from Dino Arc in that Arc is explicitly created to actually house the entirety of the planet's energy inside her body, not merely record things. Not to mention she can walk around outside the Inner Sea:

>However, that such a lifeform would conduct itself in a human body could in itself actually be said to be something abnormal.

>If you pack the energy of a celestial object into a tiny human body, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that it would suddenly go out of control.

So she is stll vastly different from Dino Arc.

These revelations fit my old headcanon of why Earth cannot produce a TYPE. Because humanity is the strongest species and existence on the planet. Period. ALAYA is the real Type Earth, that's why its shaped like Earth (EMIYA flashback). It split itself from the planet a long time ago, when humans became indepenent, so Earth lost its capacity tohave a TYPE. That's why it can outlive and outlast the planet. Its Archetype of turn in one instance can be empowered to TYPE because of being Type Moon Hybrid, not because is truly Type Earth (this doesn't exist: it would be "Alaya" the sum of humanity if it had been agreeable). Excalibur, Earth's best weapon, it's also powered by humanity's hopes and ideals, it's clear this version of humanity took out the planet's power away.

>>42699698
Not that anon but see >>42699702
It's about the Moon rather than earth. She's Archetype Earth but Type Moon. The rest is the larp and trying to fill a role that the planet cannot create anymore because Alaya told her to fuck off.

>>42699702
> EMIYA flashback
Excluding the fact that that is an anime only addition, with Alaya having no real form originally, it is also just a ball with circles around it, there’s no clear connection to earth other than it being a sphere.
What’s more, it is a deterrent force that exists in the past, present and future, I doubt it has a physical form, and it isn’t an intangible thing.

>>42699668
"it wouldn't be for same reason" would be terrible writing. you essentially remove all the emotional weight from her route since one of the major point of the ciel route is having her and shiki bonding over that so wished "normalcy" hence why one of her last wish before dying in the normal end was casting that huge suggestion on shiki.

i hate gacha niggers and their retarded lore

>>42699702
>>42699706
We know for a fact either Arc or Altrouge count as Earth's Ultimate One. This is not up for debate. Humanity being Type Earth is entirely headcanon as it isn't supported by actual statements:

>In the world of Tsukihime, the strongest existence of a celestial body is known as the Ultimate One (Original One), a position that the awakened Arcueid is applicable for. However, until things are settled with Altrouge, a being 'that forms the celestial' on the same scale, she cannot be referred to as the 'ONE'.

>>42699713
What does any of this have to do with Ciel having a happy relatively normal life when Roa never fucks it up for her? If that happens they can bond over that and if it doesn't then they don't.

>>42699709
Nasu wrote that script and scene, it envisioned as earth. The form of humanity isn't a single being but many, the entirety of the Throne is probably a representation of it. No Type is truly the a copy of the rest. Alaya is indeed the sum of humanity's unconscious will though, so you can consider it a single "being."
Regardless, note that Arc's motif is "Moon Princess" rather than "Earth Princess" despite being the Archetype Earth, and hybrids do happen: Kukul with Malla and ORT.
Humanity is Earth's strongest being. It's strongest weapon is even literally powered by them.

>>42699668
>So there’s this split that changes the state of the world
>Also, here, the exact same character, but we changed a few things around so they remain the exact same person but reflect some different stuff.
What’s the fucking point, then?
A better use of the split and Ciel, in this occasion, would be to have a short story or scene in Tsukihime (or a fan disk) where Ciel gets to see a normal Elesia that grew up normally and happily in a Fate world, gets depressed, but remembers that despite everything that happened, she still met great people and love in her current life because of it, and that there was something to be glad of, even in that life.

This… this would just be cheap.

>>42699722
That never says that Arc and Altrouge are Earth's Ultimate One, anon, read the statement again. Only it can become an Ultimate One. Meaning TYPE MOON. They are fighting over succeeding their father, who is Type Moon. Arc being also Archetype Earth is a sidedish bro.

>>42699734
That's not what an Ultimate One is then. It's in the title, ONE, it's explicitly a single entity. That goes for all Types we've seen thus far.

>>42699735
The point would be that she still wants to help people even without personal trauma motivating her to do so? That's not all of her character.

Is there some guy really trying to argue that it'd be reasonable for Ciel to end up in the church if she doesn't get possessed by Roa and slaughter her entire hometown? Like as in, "just come up with a different reason bro"? Holy fucking shit, what's wrong with you?

>>42699756
Is it really that farfetched that a good person would join the church without having their puppy kicked

>>42699746
Yeah, but this shit goes against her character.
“Wanting to help people” does not equal with “Becoming a murderer for a religious organization”, especially when Elesia’s dream life was a normal life.
Not only that, but you’re severely overestimating Ciel’s “good person” characteristics that are not directly motivated by her trauma.

>>42699744
>>42699740
It never once states Arc is Type Earth or Earth's ultimate one. Nasu purposefully leaves that out, only that she and Altrouge are fighting over the title, hypothetically. Instead, the first ascension confirms that she inherited her father's will and legacy. Crimson Moon former Type Moon, delegates to his heirs: Black Moon Altrouge or White Moon Arcueid, where the fuck did you think it's about Earth?

Being Archetype Earth doesn't means she's Type Earth at all. It's two different things that you're mixing. See Kukul as an example again, she's a mix as much as Arc.

>>42699740
That's really just you taking the statement out of context. The quote says nothing about succeeding anyone, merely that since there are two of them, neither can be the 'ONE' yet.
Basically both Arc and Alt are already Ultimate Ones, it's just neither gets the title because there are two of them. Ultimate One is just a title at the end of the day.

>>42699772
Ah yes, why not constantly put your life at risk and become a murderer for a secret religious group because she is THAT selfless… NOT. BECOME A FUCKING COP OF THAT’S WHAT YOU WANT, HOLY FUCK, THIS ARGUMENT’S STUPID.

>>42699772
just say you didn't read tsukihime bro. This is embarrassing.

>>42699783
I'm taking out the context? You can't admit you presumed was Earth when that wasn't what was said at all. Arc and Altrouge are referred as heirs of CRIMSON MOON, who is TYPE MOON. Why the flying fuck you ASSUME is about being 'Type Earth'?

>>42699733
because without the calamity that is roa, she would be a normal girl who's dream is to succeed her father bakery. if you tell me that she join the church regardless of roa, you basically remove one of the major emotional impact of her route, and her relationship with noel and shiki.

>>42699783
Wrong, severely so.
CM is still the ultimate one, they become the one when he resurrects into them with all his power.

>>42699775
Type Earth would just be the strongest being of Earth. Also it needs to be a being 'that forms the celestial'. Those are the two factors we know of.

>>42699807
save us from this lore autism, art poster

>>42699756
You know, I feel like Roa is always showing up around other vampires. I know it's to give Tsukihime a midboss vampire, but maybe there was another vampire around Ciel's village, but it was repelled by the Church or something and she comes into contact with them for revenge.

>>42699794
Why? Because Type Moon isn't mentioned at all in the quote. So you're basically taking the quote out of context to fit your own weird agenda.

>>42699804
Which isn't supported by anything at all. Certainly not by the quote in question. (Original One) is an Earthly title since it's directly tied to Arc's ablity to draw Earth's energy.

>>42699804
He resurrects through Arc or Altrouge.

>>42699808
It literally never says that Arc is Type Earth at all, only that she's an Ultimate One, and that specific version STATES she's inherited her father's legacy. She's Type Moon, not Type Earth, you moron.
In a way Nasu was inspired by fucking Sailor Moon since he loves shoujo.

>>42699830
Are you ignoring the Valentine scene line? >>42699831 Just stop assuming earth has anything to do with Arc's potential. Which never was stated at fucking all.
You just can't let go Archetype isn't Type wannabe, huh?

>>42699824
>dude just swap vampire A for vampire B
Don't give Nasu ideaas

>>42699831
>She's Type Moon, not Type Earth, you moron.
She doesn't have any moon-based authority as far as we know, retard. How the fuck is she Type Moon? Again, your retarded headcanon isn't supported by any quote at all. I don't give a shit about your garbage """reasoning""", post actual quotes if you want to be taken seriously.

>>42699838
>Just stop assuming earth has anything to do with Arc's potential
Literally everything we've seen from Arc is an Earth-based abilities. Arc gets a boost from the Moon at night but isn't the main focus as she is fundamentally an Earth spirit. You kidding me? Even the Celestial Egg, which is where Arc draws all her power from carries Earth's memories.

>>42699838
>valentine scene line
non canon garbage unless you want me to believe that arc is encouraging other version of herself to cuck shiki for (you)

>>42699819
What?

>>42699871
>Literally everything we've seen from Arc is an Earth-based abilities.
She's just extrapolating about being the Archetype, but at base, she's an invader like Kukul. Kukul too could become Archetype Earth due to the Malla side of hers. But is still something not from Earth, as ORT, Arc is also that too, as CM. All your assumptions were wrongly based on Archetype = Type which was already defined as not. And Arc's called Moon Princess, her final form is "Princess of True Ancestors" and Moon Princess, she has literally associated more with the Moon than earth in her final stage which is her embracing her father. Is her father Type Earth?

>>42699878
Replicate the miracle of last thread…

>>42699875
Yes. She would do that to monopolize Shiki to herself.

>>42699871
Arc in this Valentine scene represented herself as a cracked moon though. It's the pure archetype (third ascension) who represented herself as earth and we know that's not a type. The one who can become a UO is identifies as Moon Princess and Princess of the True Ancestors. Plus her UO skills on Extra are based on the authority over the Moon, not earth.

If Excalibur is Earth's best weapon wouldn't that make a Saberface Type Earth?
This sounds like something Takeuchi would want.

>>42699666
>Machine Gods are destroyed by Sefar, who is killed by Excalibur
>Ishtar curses the world to return if both Gilgamesh and Enkidu should revive
>ORT lands and goes to sleep, we don't know why.
>CM comes to Earth
>Solomon teaches several mages such as Zelretch and Brishisan
>The Mage's association is formed in 0AD
>CM is killed by Kischur Zelretch Schweinorg, who becomes a Dead Apostle Ancestor
>Mesala Escardos places a subroutine into his magic crest to slowly turn his ancestors into "The Next Owners of Earth"
>Morgan Le Fay teaches a young mage named Francois Prelati magecraft
>Before her death, Morgan Le Fay prepares a ritual to reincarnate the body of King Arthur
>Charles the Great finds the corpse of Sefar
>Fabro Rowan leaves the Wandering Sea, becomes the DAA Nrvnsqr Chaos
>The Third Magic is lost
>Edmond Dantes defeats but doesn't permanently kill Michael Roa Valdamjong
>Roa convinces Vlov Arkhangel to kill his Zaria Offenbaum
>The Einzbern, Makiri, and Tohsaka families conspire to bring back the 3rd magic
>The First Holy Grail War takes place, it's a failure followed by another
>The Third Holy Grail War takes place, Aŋra Mainiiu possesses the Holy Grail. Master of Assassin returns to America
>Aoko Aozaki becomes the 5th magician
>Sigma is born
>Ciel is born
>Kiritsugu Emiya stalemates the 4th Holy Grail War, adopting Shirou Emiya
>the burned survivors of the 4th Grail War are collected by Kirei Kotomine
>Shiki Ryougi awakens the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception
>Shiki Nanaya (R) is born
>Lord El Melloi II comes into power at the Clock Tower
>Kouma Kashima destroys the Nanaya clan, Shiki Nanaya is adopted by the Tohno clan
>Kirei Kotomine ambushes Bazett Fraga McRemitz, hijacking her summoning ritual
>Shirou Emiya summons King Arthur as the Saber of the 5th Holy Grail War
>One of the Fate routes takes place. The Holy Grail is not destroyed
>Shiki Tohno kills Shiki Tohno
>Shiki Nanaya obtains the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception, is renamed Shiki Tohno
>The El Melloi class destroys the Holy Grail
>A knockoff Grail War takes place in Snowfield, Nevada
>Flat Escardos dies.
>Thia Escardos is born.
>Vlov Arkhangel arrives in Souya, Japan
>One of the Tsuki routes takes place
>
Those are the highlights I can think of before FGO and Notes. I wouldn't even begin to figure out how to weave Extra in there, so I won't.

Rin is a lesbian Goddess

All of these characters are 100% heterosexual.

>>42699900
>she's an invader like Kukul
No she is never described like that, not even once. The fact she was born in the Inner Sea already means she is primarily native to Earth.
>Kukul too could become Archetype Earth due to the Malla side of hers
Never stated.
>All your assumptions were wrongly based on Archetype = Type
I never stated this even once. But it's a fact Arc can become Earth's Ultimate One if she deals with Altrouge. As it's merely a title as far as we know, since even Arc's planet backup is a limiter, not an enabler.
>And Arc's called Moon Princess
An elegant title, no doubt. But it's still just a title. And certainly doesn't outweight everything we know about Arc or her very nature as an Earthly being.
>Is her father Type Earth?
No, but you realize CM's primary goal was to incorporate himself into the system of Earth, that was his main goal. If Arc were to become Type Moon as opposed to Type Earth do you realize how self-defeating that actually is? It misses the entire purpose of his goal.

>>42699954

>>42699968

>>42699915
she's fine with sharing unless it's ciel. nice try at justifying your cuck fetish anon.

>>42699938
>>42699938
>Arc in this Valentine scene represented herself as a cracked moon though
She just thought it looked cool, you're looking too much into it.
>The one who can become a UO is identifies as Moon Princess and Princess of the True Ancestors
A novel idea. But there is really not much to support this notion. Wait for Red Garden to be released I guess.

>Plus her UO skills on Extra are based on the authority over the Moon
No, that's her Noble Phantasm. UO is a Skill that's separate.

>>42699982

>>42699990
I'd also rather take Rin x Sakura or Rin x Rider than Rin shipped with a male but I'm not very fond of Sakura or Rider. And I would much prefer Rin x Saber or even Rin x Luvia.

>>42699713
...but she's fine with having Shiki as her partner in the other ending, ignoring that he got the opposite idea and joined regardless
And it's not exactly like she ever leaves even after Roa dies.

>>42699952
>>Flat Escardos dies.
>>Thia Escardos is born.
kino

>>42700030

>>42698860
>cool

>>42700039
>>42700030
This can't be my Rin she would never say something like this.

>>42700062
Rin loves girls

>>42700013
anon did you forgot about the scene where shiki vowed that he would follow into her path for forgiveness?

>>42700117
I didn't say otherwise, just stating my bit

>>42700180
i'm sorry but i'm not understanding what you want to say, anon. of course, ciel isn't leaving the church after roa is gone for, since for her rescuing innocent people through her work with the church is a path for forgiveness. shiki himself isn't against the idea since one of the major impact that he had in regard to ciel, is her valiant silhouette fighting against vlov. he genuinely loves that part of her, he just hates her suicidal behavior and one of the major themes of their relationship is that shiki helps ciel confront this part of her, and eventually leads her to a much healthier state of mind. in a sense shiki, is what rin is to shirou? unless she can fix her suicidal behavior without shiki, i'm guessing she'll have a sad ending in the other routes.

>>42700314
That makes a lot more sense, thank you cielfag

Our lesbian Goddess

So did Aoko just happen to meet Shiki there or did she have a purpose

>>42700400

Favorite TYPE-Moon OST?

I'll begin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDMXVvHSnJ0

>>42700496
I'd wager it was happenstance.

>>42700496
Aoko smelled a new unidentified Shota and went there.

>>42700503
Probably Mare Cruor/Bloody Battle on the Moon Cell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tmvpvkwHq8
But I like a ton. The Apoc soundtrack's motifs do it for me, for instance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wa3Zk4123qk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfx8-c63u0Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2-M-VGhOTs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-G6k0ye1ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmknyO8iy7g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql42kdD-KlQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQKMyxcgE6s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVYCU2dhwIY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23jhv2uA2ZA

>>42700496
It was the counterforce

the thread has taught me that it was a very good idea to not bother with TM works past Tsuki, FSN, and FHA. everything posted here has been pure autism.

>>42700664
Read mahoyo

>>42700664
Watch Zero

>>42700667
i honestly completely forgot that mahoyo was translated since HM has been blue balling with it for half a decade

Why does Sigurd look like he browses /k/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1X7RNPk5MY

>clocktower lords are country/continent tier in Fate now
Does Nasu think before his retarded powerscale retcons? How the fuck Kayneth is that level? Is Zero noncanon because actually Kerry dropped a nuke version of the Origin Bullet on him? I can understand wanking the likes of Satanbilly or the Headmaster but that is fucking stupid.

>>42700898

>>42691458
what a fluffy puffy girlie

>>42691810
she want to fucking fight you man
you should sock her square on the mouth

>>42700898
That's the beauty of the Origin Bullet, though. Regardless of how strong kayneth was, a single bullet would still have the same effects.

Although, despite Zero having already been "de-cannonized" into an "Alternate Universe" cathegory, this retcon does make things difficult, because Kayneth doesn't display the required power levels.

>>42700898
>>42700933
Where was that statement?
It's retarded. Since Touko is a Grand Mage, same as Kirschtaria. And she is certainly not at a level where she can destroy a city, let alone a country.

>>42700973
Well... she *did* say she would destroy Misaki if Aoko had grown to depend on it...

>>42699634
Don't you think Shiki fucking 5 other girls made it weird enough?

>>42701000
When you say city-level I think of something like this. When you can destroy a city just by firing at it one or two energy blasts.
Or Star of Calvari. Well, I guess that statement does benefit Ciel though, since she is stated to be the pinnacle of human potential and Calvaria also the pinacle of human magecraft.

>>42700973
Kirsch was using a type of magecraft that superhyperomega benefitted from being in ancient greece AND he was powerful. He couldn't do the Zeus shit in the current era.

>>42701054
Isn't it six counting Satsuki and Len

why are these threads so fast

>>42701054
>>42701143
Actually according to MB, there's 17 total.

>>42701168
There's some repeats in there since one is Hisui and Kohaku together, and they might not all be romantic if the Miyako one didn't want to do stuff to her
but that's still a lot

>>42701166
lore autists are discussing dumb lore

>>42701204
Oh no they're definitely romantic. No doubt about shiki being a manwhore.

>>42701245
I'm assuming most of them are, just not every single one of them. It might just be the Miyako one, or maybe he doesn't want to fuck Aoko or something. It doesn't change him being a manwhore of course

>>42701242
There is a section in the Clocktower called the department of Lore. It's kind of funny.

>>42700314
>shiki helps ciel confront this part of her, and eventually leads her to a much healthier state of mind. in a sense shiki, is what rin is to shirou?
I never realized how similar Shiki/Ciel and Shirou/Rin are. That's quite interesting. I really like this kind of dynamic

>>42700705
get on it. It's the last thing worth reading besides the Tsuki Remake.

>>42700664
>complaining about autism in the Type-Moon general
>off-topic pic
Time to go back, tourist-chan
>>>/vg/vn/

>>42701478
>Accepting FGO lore and other garbage on here
Back to >>>/vg/vn/ with you

>>42701548
>anything that's not F/SN or Tsuki is F/GO
Do newfags REALLY...?

I'm an Extella Chad

>>42700664
I will smoke around fairies

I like Tamamo, am I cool

>>42700973
Lb7 intro.
I just pissed myself laughing with kayness streamrolling a country on his wheelchair.

>>42701077
Kirsch beat part 1 6 times without that or Mashu protecting his ass. We know nothing how powerful he is even crippled. That consumed him more. We know he was treated on level of a Lord since a kid and thought as next Faculty founder. Nasu established him, Pepe and Daybit on a tier of their own as Nasu super Masters.

>>42701925
Country/Continent busting Fastwheels is real!

>>42701963
How the hell did he beat Tiamat and Goetia?

>>42701925
But it says that grand mages are country-level. Kayneth was a brand.

>>42701967
Now I sort of wonder how does she stack up to Nu-Ciel who was hyped as being a special exception even among the Burial Agency.
I'm still not taking those hype statements with no actual feats to back them up though. So far Ciel parrying Arc's Excalibur-level energy waves with ´hysical strength is one of the most impressive things seen from a magi that's not a Magician.

>>42701963
He has more mana than (You), he was probably enabling his servants pretty well.

>>42701335
I've noticed a lot of Shirou/Rin fans are really into the remake version of Shiki/Ciel. It makes sense to me.

ANON LOOK OUT
THE LEAST THREATNEING SPIDER IN BRAZIL IS AFTER YOU

Roa needs friends.

>>42702560
We know he has at least one friend which is more than the amount of friends I currently have.

>>42702560
The number of people who individually hold mortal grudges for Roa is practically a running gag in this franchise by this point.

>>42702589
Do not be surprised when it is revealed that Mikiya secretly hates Roa for some reason or another due to some event that happened because of a butterfly effect of his actions when incarnated as Ciel.

>>42702589
I'm reading the wiki for why Edmond killed Roa and I gotta say...
I think it would've been better if Fernand Mondego was simply one of Roa's vessels.

>>42701621
>gachanigger
into the filter with you

>>42701548
hey dont abuse the poopschizo.

>>42702856
>poopschizo
Can you explain this one?

>>42702840
>filterfags can't read
a tale as old as time...

>>42702948
loreniggers are on the same level of idiocy as gachaniggers

>>42703243
based. That's where all the stupid lore comes from these days anyways. I don't give a fuck about it anymore.

>>42703243
Lore is fine. Take your meds.

>>42702609
It's definitely Roa's fault Kiritsugu's father turned everyone into DAs.

>>42701967
>>42701925
>Kayneth hit by a bullet as an adult Lord
>gets fucking crippled that needs to buy new arms and can't use magecraft at all

>kirsch is stabbed IN THE HEART with the fucking same formula at 15
>survives falling off the fucking bridge with the help of a shota hobo and will power and still can use magecraft enough to still be considered one of the top mages despite his weakness and clear singularities 6 times

Kayneth bros... Nasu writing mages really makes them super powerful while everyone else grounds them...

>>42702052
You have to remember the mages of Clocktower in Fate are stronger than in Tsuki for some reason maybe because they didn't lose against CM? That seems decisive. Nasu kinda set them as different world protagonists. This stuff is about Fate Clock Tower Lords. They are considered "monsters."

>>42698807
Vlov was a cool addition. He really sells it that the vampires are fucking vampires and not just eldritch horrors or cute girls.

>>42704249
>a cool addition
heh

>>42704238
In fairness, the clock tower is just not part of Tsuki's story. They could be just as strong but just not part of the narrative.

Do they keep SHIKI out of Melty just for spoilies sake?

>>42702126
He was fucked up by a knife which is Mage Killer 2.0 into the fucking heart and still managed to function while Kayneth became a useless cripple instantly. His body became the next Passion of Christ tier because of those runs thanks to that poison in his system.

>>42701975
Tiamat lives in the ages of gods, so Kirschtaria would become stronger. His magecraft, the Animusphere magecraft he was taught, is called "older than the ages of gods" which Nasu has yet to explain the fuck that means. Nasu may be into astrology too much (Aoko also joined Marisbilly's Faculty when she was in the Association).
If there was a Simulation Roman, all Kirsch needed was to hold on until he does the thing. If there was a simulated Temple at all (no in the passives but we know that Kirsch and Daybit can clear part 1 simulation and outside it), the setting would probably boost and help him too.

>>42704271
no, he's just not that popular

>>42702589
>>42702568
He tried to be Dantes' friend and he was rejected because his Fate self pissed him off. It's not fair...

>>42704271
Yes. It would make no sense to put him in Melty before far side.

>>42702685
I think it works better this way, because Abbe Faria connection to the Church makes it more interesting. It's also an extra story before the novel. Nasu came up with it, according to Sakurai.

>>42704260
They lost Zelretch and perhaps even more during that war.

>>42704302
sF makes it clear that in Tsuki-compatible timelines that some DAs are part of the clock tower. And since it's a Tsuki-compatible timeline Zelretch (who is explicitly stated to be a professor there) should be an ancestor himself.

>>42704314
SF is fanfiction nasu turns the blind eye toward. Period.
Tsukihime mats had Zelretch's profile and makes it clear he isn't involved or affiliated in the Clock Tower anymore. There probably are many others that perished with him, leading to potential future mages never being born.

>>42704326
sF is the cure to Nasu's timeline phobia.

>>42704326
>isn't involved or affiliated in the Clock Tower anymore
But it said he still sometimes trains mages which is like what he did with Tohsaka, and he shows up at the clock tower when incidents involving magic occur which we saw in HF.

>>42702560
They were friends for a couple minutes, that counts in my heart

>>42704229
>the fucking same formula
similar, not the same, probably weaker

>>42704378
>But it said he still sometimes trains mages which is like what he did with Tohsaka,
But he never does this in Tsukihime. What the fuck are you talking about? There was never a Fuyuki Grail.
Rin probably doesn't exist at all.

>>42704802
That anon was implying that he's different in Tsukihime worlds and using his new mats as evidence.
I was pointing out that the new mats contradict that and refer to things that sound a lot like what we've seen him do in Fate worlds.

A reminder that Kohaku is the most overrated character in Tsukihime/Melty Blood etc.

>>42705180
at least she is still a tsukihime character unlike THAT fgo whore who should not be named

>>42705441

>>42705724
cope about it

I think Archetypes and Types carry different functions but they are also not mutually exclusive.
From what we've seen so far Archetypes are intelligent, Types on the other hand are not intelligent, with a few exceptions such as Crimson Moon and Type Saturn who was relying orders to the other Aristotles.
Most likely in Notes the Archetypes received Gaia's call and send the order to the Types and they are possibly remote controlling them.

Anyone agree?

>>42707630

>>42707630
>>42707644
They look good together and I like their chemistry.

>>42707775
Tobimaru would unironically feel very offended by this comment, and that's somehow the funniest part.

forever alone wine aunt aoko!

>>42707775
Tobimaru is too good for Aoko.

>>42708066
Aoko is for Shiki.

>>42708099
desperate femcel hands typed this post

What kind of weirdo would ship saber with gil

fate stay night but american
how would it go
>inb4 FSF
that's a different story

>>42708118
Shinji just shoots up the school instead of bothering with Blood Fort Andromeda

>>42708113
that's a yumejo ship

>>42708113
nasu kinoko

I wanted to see some cute shiki pics but the sheer number of pics in the previous changed my mind. no do not dump some more. I'll slowly go through them

>>42708113
She clearly belongs to Diarmuid.

>>42708118
Sakura cancels Shinji on Twitter

>>42708448
2 new arts I found

>>42699666
Akiha joins the El Melloi class.

>>42708507
Caules x Akiha new crackship.

>>42708113
A woman.

>>42708113
zerofags really love saber x gil for some reason

>>42708583
It's just shoujofags. Gilgamesh is your typical shoujo hero and 3D girls actually love him.

>>42708598
I'm pretty sure that's not true. Fujostacies are more into characters like redman or prototype saber.

>>42699416
The only reason we wouldn't have Arc in Fate lines is because Roa was killed by Edmond permanently. So she would never have a reason to wake up.

>>42708622
The problem here is that means you get Princess Arc having free reign as the dominant aspect of Arc. And that quite simply doesn't compute with Crimson Moon being inactive and Gransurg killing himself. See the problem here?

>>42708113
I doubt most people actually want to see them in a serious romantic situation. People who ship it mostly like it for comedic purposes because admittedly it does produce some of the funniest content. And it doesn’t help that Nasu himself throws them a bone from time to time.

>>42708703
Well she probably wouldn't be princess arc.
Just another true ancestor

>>42708187
A yumejo ship would be Hakunon/Gil or Gudako/Gil because they can self-insert into Hakunon/Gudako and would rather self-insert as her than a guilt-ridden woman with issues like Seiba. However, they will inevitably get cucked whenever Saber is on-screen with him since 9/10 chances he will simp for her so I guess they have no choice to self-insert as her when it comes to that point.

>>42708717
But Arc isn't TA royalty because one of her aspects is Princess Arc, she is royalty because she was born as the strongest and able to manifest the castle Brunestud, this enables an aspect of CM to manifest in her.
If Arc isn't born as royalty or the strongest TA, then she was never Arc in the first place. That's the most fundamental part of her nature.

>>42708764
That's hardly an issue in TM. Characters in parallel timelines that shouldn't exist do exist. The changes between the main Fate timeline and Apoc's are significant for Caules' family and yet he's born in both exactly the same way.

Kaijus... Why haven't there been Kaijus?

>>42708901
There are a couple that SHOULD exist
>Moby Dick
>Charybdis
and we already had Fafnir.

>>42708901
Just wait for Nrvqsr to appear and unleash the full might of his new-lore beasts, bro. Sacchin's route is just aroudn the corner

>>42708776
Even Dino Arc is something like Brain of Earth. And the other form of Arc we know of is Moon Brain girl from Tsuki no Sango. There is no chance Arc would ever be born as a normal TA given precedent.

>>42708919
>Moby Dick
I might be misremembering it, but I read somewhere in the wiki that Merlin said Moby Dick was some sort of weapon of mass destruction...?

>>42708919
I don't think those qualify. A kaiji would be something like building or mountain-sized at least. We do have a few of those though, off the top of my head there is Gugalanna and Ivan the Terrible. Musashi also mentions Daidarabotchi, which is a Japanes monster the size of a mountain. I would like to see one of those sometime.

>>42708953
Not quite, it was actually Nasu, in Complete Material 3:

>Q: There's three ranks for magical beasts, but among the greatest class of these, the Divine Beasts, which would be the most famous?
>Dragons are special beings with that exist in each class, but are there any currently existing dragons that can interfere with the real world in the world of Fate?
>A: Moby Dick and Typhon? Divine Beasts like those are more like superweapons than living beings, I suppose.

Although, I wouldn't quite classify them as kaiju

>>42708748
Gil/Hakunon is also a yumejo ship but it's well recorded that girls like the rape-y aspects of that type of shit, which Gil/Hakunon doesn't really have as much of

>>42709068
So, in response to this I went reading CM3 to look for it, and:

Q: Regarding sacraments which purify via rituals like Kyrie Eleison, am I right in thinking that this was the same existence (has the same principle) as magic?
A: They have the same principle, but that's normally a ritual that doesn't require one's own magical power. To an unworldly being, it's kind of like a sermon that tells it that "you don't have a place here" by illuminating it with the providence of the world.

The world itself is imprinting the church stuff...?
Or is it like, just like magic which has a system estabilished by people's belief, but the belief system itself supplements the changes and alters the world?

>>42709128
Probably the later. Otherwise every executioner would be equally powerful and that's not the case.

>>42709098
Hakunon belongs to Gil OR Charlemagne
Hakuno belongs to Altera or Scathach