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Because she doesn't exist

Because she's Jessica

>>4261097
Jessica? She's not tsundere at all, in every fantasy scene she throws herself at Kanon.

Obligatory repost

>>4261120
I do have to say. You are the Anon who basically shattered everything, ever. The Moon-chan people helped, the Fusiontrice people contributed, but that one picture left me with no doubts.

>>4261120
>somewhere within one kilometer
RYUKUSHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>4261120
Ah Jessica is talking about the scene when Kanon put a STOP on her.
It was awesome, too bad Kanon devolved after that.

>>4261135
No doubt about what?
Her loving Kanon and being rejected by him?

>>4261153
hurr

>>4261145
>>4261153
Hm, yeah, that's what Battler thought too.
So it's almost certainly wrong. Hell, the usage of the term one kilometer, in addition to Jessica being blatantly tsundere to Battler, -not- Kanon, is the issue.

>>4261177
Yeah, I hate to acknowledge it, but it seems typical of Battler to have her behaviour go right over his head.

You think her getting flustured about how she speaks would be an obvious enough hint, but nope.

>>4261135
At your service anon. At your service.

>>4261177
Where in this pic do you Jessica being dere toward Battler?

She isn't being tsundere toward Battler, she is just being flustered since the talk was focusing on her own romantic affairs, pretty normal.
And she was obviously talking about Kanon, since he is the only one we saw her being interested with in the game.
And of course the failed confession of episode 2, the reference is obvious.

>>4261204
Well, his sin is not being able to remember, after all. He reminds me of another great hero.

>>4261204
>You think her getting flustured about how she speaks would be an obvious enough hint, but nope.

Her being flustered means nothing other than that she's embarrassed to talk about who she's in love with.

>>4261219
Problem is, Kanon = Shannon, and even if everybody else on the island didn't know, Jessica would.

>>4261219
The failed confession, which Battler, the detective, didn't see?

>>4261219
>>Implying Kanon exists

>>4261235
Here is someone who will never solve the game.
Everything we saw was shown for a reason, even a scene like this.
Remember that Beatrice WANTS Battler to find the truth.

>>4261232
There is no indication that Jessica knows.
It may sound stupid but that's how it is, blame R07.

>>4261144
>>4261177
What's the deal with that one kilometer?

Umineko is solved, nothing else to see here.

>>4261249
Nothing.
They just want to say that Jessica is in love with Battler.
Too bad there is nothing that even hinted toward it in the game.

>>4261219
Can't have your cake and eat it too, I am afraid.
If Shannon = Kanon, Jessica would know. In addition to that, the confession scene is not from the detective's point of view. Dubious relationship is dubious.

Also, "it was really one sided, and I got confused. I guess... it was like they didn't view me that way". Odd, that. Extremely so if Shannon = Kanon.

But even going along. "I, i, is it really,... is the way I speak, ...really that bad?"

That is not something a teased cousin would say. That is something a tsundere would say, to her love interest.

And then, finally, IS YOUR LOVE INTEREST WITHIN ONE KILOMETER.

Hm. Wonder who is within one kilometer....

>>4261247
So? This scene can have many implications independently of a Jessica/Kanon pairing. Just to remember that it have the very first clues to the ''multiple personalities'' shit.

Also there are indications that she not only knows but covers for it. (See ep1 kanon introduction scene)

>>4261265
>>But even going along. "I, i, is it really,... is the way I speak, ...really that bad?"
More like that's what a confused teenager that was already rejected once would say.
You know, like how she was rejected by Kanon.

And Jessica doesn't know about Shannon/Kanon, nothing in the game show that she does, blame R07.
Come back when you'll have something solid.

>>4261249

>>4261280
>And Jessica doesn't know about Shannon/Kanon

>>4261291
Reaction image and green text, you really should go back to /a/, faggot.

>>4261291

Hearsay is not proof of anything. While I agree that Jessica must know about Shannon = Kanon due to how her not knowing after three years is stretching Ryukishi's credibility, the possibility still exists that Jessica does not know Shannon = Kanon.

>>4261280
Jessica and Shannon are best friends. Jessica 'likes' Kanon. She lives on the island. She's been shown to not be completely stupid. How in the world could she not know about Shkanon?

>>4261285
Come on, don't pull a Shirou on me. Her indistinct answer doesn't really tell jack about anything and doesn't point to Battler in any way.

>>4261309
>>She's been shown to not be completely stupid
Where?
Also once again, where are the clues/foreshadowing pointing to her knowing about them?
Correlations aren't proofs you know.

>>4261280
That one is easy.

Just from the top of my head:

Ep1: -1Kanon introduction
2- She is one of the only persons who sees ''Kanon's Corpse'', if he's Shannon...well. If shannon is the Beatrice in the end...

-Its implied how ''close'' they are by the inhaler scene.

EP2:
-Shannon scenes, all of them.
-All love love scenes between her and Kanon are magic scenes and they dont even interact in front of Battler. Also the circunstances of her death.

Man, i could be rereading the episodes all night because there's a plenty of hints everywhere, you just need to look for it. Same thing, this jessi-batller scene was there since the beggining, people just didnt look for it.

>>4261320
>Where?

She lies competently enough.

>>4261247
Oh, yeah, asshole, say I won't solve the game. That's real kind of you. Fuck your shit.
This scene is blatantly obvious, and I, quite frankly, have found that you people need everything spelt out for you.

No, Jessica would know if Shannon and Kanon are the same. She's best friends with Shannon, and close with Kanon. Wanna know why her not knowing makes no sense? BECAUSE IT'S NOT TRUE, YOU DUMBASS. But, oh wait, there's nothing that directly says it, durr-hurr, that must mean the two closest people to her are the same person.

Really, you are just being delusional here. That scene with Battler is not her talking about Kanon. Kanon doesn't even come up until the end. She clearly is concerned about how he finds her voice, things a cousin being teased wouldn't really care about, but a love interest would.
Oh, and her striking out a longass fucking time ago was one of the major holes in the monologue of episode 6. Shannon already had Battler's love. The monologue mentions feelings being given, but it also mentions feelings that the speaker could not obtain(inb4 reading comprehension bullshit, no, feelings one could not obtain is pretty damn blatant.)

In addition to that pile of shit, we also have the fact that Shannon blatantly tells Piece-Battler about his pony promise. Piece Beatrice wants Battler to come to the answer on his own. Shannon wouldn't tell him about the promise, as that is basically just telling him the riddle. And if you remember in episode 5, the answer was not that easy. Battler even cried for a whole 5 minutes because Beatrice did not just tell him.

Seriously, the way you'd have it would be that Jessica would fail to notice that her two best friends are the same person, and that her boyfriend is a girl.
You'd have Beatrice give away the answer to Battler, the answer she wants, more than anything else, for him to reach on his own. The thing she is holding out for.

How can you explain this if Kanon=Shannon?

>>4261328
There is no proofs there, you know.
Being close to them isn't a proof, she could just be that stupid and gullible, it's R07 after all.
Only thing interesting in this post is Kanon's "death" in episode 1.
But Nanjo was there as well, you could very well assume that he helped fake Kanon's death without Jessica knowing.

Because she has fine ass.

>>4261336
Battler POV is not reliable.

>>4261336
The "trap" Ryukishi07 was talking about. We never see things from Erika's point of view in Episode 5, and Battler's POV is, of course, no longer trustworthy. And notice how Lambda never specifies a number....

>>4261336
Oh god, people need to fucking realize that the detective wasn't describing that scene, so anyone could be there. Idiots.

>>4261336
Been done a thousand time before.

>>4261334
And you are the one being delusional.
Let me spell it out for you:

THERE IS NOTHING IN THE GAME THAT SHOW JESSICA HAVING SOME ROMANTIC FEELINGS FOR BATTLER OR VICE VERSA.
THERE IS ALSO NO HINT OF A PROMISE BETWEEN THEM.
THERE IS ALSO NOTHING THAT LINK JESSICA AND BEATRICE TOGETHER.
THERE IS ALSO THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF JESSICA TO BE THE BEATRICE OF EPISODE 1 AND 2, AND OF COURSE SHE CAN'T BE THE MURDERER SINCE SHE IS ALWAYS WITH BATTLER.
OH AND SHE DIE EARLY IN EPISODE 2.
AND NO HINT WHATSOEVER THAT JESSICA COULD HAVE A REASON TO KILL EVERYONE.

Enough for you?

>>4261357
Oh, smashing. Detective POV is the only thing that matters, but, HURR DURR THAT JESSICA x KANON SCENE COUNTS I SWEAR.

>>4261309
She knows, but chooses not to see it. With love, it can not be seen. As for the rest of the family, well, would Krauss and Natsuhi really want the rest of their family to know their daughter is a lesbian, or would they pay their maid an extra salary to pull double-duty as a male servant for their sheltered potential heir?

I wouldn't put it past Kinzo, but what about Krauss?

>>4261319
She did seem really too happy about him being back on the island. Maybe not from a romantic point of view, but as someone who 'escaped' the family, that maybe he could take her with him.

>>4261339
There's no proof that she knows about Shkanon.
But there's no proof that she doesnt know either.

The only proofs admissible in this game are the red, gold and Battler POV.

And none of these ever proved that Jessica knew or not.

What we can do is to use Knox as a guideline, and we're doing very well in estabilishing Jessitrice as an acceptable truth.

>>4261375
>>The only proofs admissible in this game are the red, gold and Battler POV.
That's not looking at the game with love.
Beatrice wants Battler to find the truth.
Everything we were shown happened for a reason.
There are all the hints needed in episode 1-4 to solve the game.
The fantasy scenes also happen for a reason, you shouldn't discard them.

>>4261367
> AND OF COURSE SHE CAN'T BE THE MURDERER SINCE SHE IS ALWAYS WITH BATTLER.

> implying that the person doing the killings can't be controlled by a mastermind
> alternatively, implying that Beatrice is the culprit

>>4261396
Beatrice of the gameboard is the main culprit, anyone who try to deny it is completely deluded.
Also there's no hint whatsoever about a mastermind.
Other that Kinzo of course, his will was probably one of the thing that started this whole mess.

>>4261367
>THERE IS NOTHING IN THE GAME THAT SHOW JESSICA HAVING SOME ROMANTIC FEELINGS FOR BATTLER OR VICE VERSA.
Except for that one scene right there. Really, what more do you want, Jessica to outright say it? Oh, and Shannon never says or expresses any romantic interest in Battler, guess she's out too!

>THERE IS ALSO NO HINT OF A PROMISE BETWEEN THEM.
There is indeed. Jessica was on that island 6 years ago, my friend.
>THERE IS ALSO NOTHING THAT LINK JESSICA AND BEATRICE TOGETHER.
Besides being the only two characters described as inelegant, the only two characters who the epitagh is inconsequential to, and the only two characters around Battler's age who have lived on Rokkenjima their entire life, yeah, there sure is nothing.

>THERE IS ALSO THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF JESSICA TO BE THE BEATRICE OF EPISODE 1 AND 2, AND OF COURSE SHE CAN'T BE THE MURDERER SINCE SHE IS ALWAYS WITH BATTLER.
First off, she's not always with Battler. Second off, she could have easily faked her death. Insulin, or, as you Shkanontrice fags love to say, lol persona.
>OH AND SHE DIE EARLY IN EPISODE 2.
AND NO HINT WHATSOEVER THAT JESSICA COULD HAVE A REASON TO KILL EVERYONE.
Like Shannon and Kanon do? And Jessica could indeed have a reason, i.e. she's Beatrice.

Ryu said in an interview he wouldn't "play" with some things taken as granted... such as Shannon's love for George.

May JessicaKanon's romance be sincere too?

>>4261396

So what is Jessica's motivation to have her kill the Ushiromiya family that is solely unique to her? For example, you can not use the influence that being the Head grants since it applies to every character in the story.

>>4261408
ITT: Delusional faggots calling other people delusional.

Delusions are things that people believe, despite them making no sense.

Basically, let's say you had a best friend. And let's say you had a wife. The best friend is a male, the wife is obviously female. A delusional person would think you don't know the two are one and the same.

>>4261393
> Everything we were shown happened for a reason.
Well then, there must be a reason why, in Episode 6, Jessica is not able to say why she loves Kanon despite the fact that he is able to say why he loves her and the other two couples are able to say why they love each other, and why the other two couples get married at the end, but Jessica and Kanon do not.

> There are all the hints needed in episode 1-4 to solve the game.
Yes, but that doesn't mean you should simply discard some of the information from Episodes 5 and 6, like the example given above.

>>4261339
>But Nanjo was there as well, you could very well assume that he helped fake Kanon's death without Jessica knowing.
Ahahaha oh wow.

So let me get this straight, just so we're on the same page.

You think Jessica has a female best friend, and a male crush, for three whole goddamn years, 1095 days, 26, 280 hours, and she doesn't realize they are the same exact person.

Furthermore, you find it reasonable that Jessica, who went to "aid" Kanon with Nanjo after his bullshit injury, didn't realize Nanjo doing something suspicious to fake Kanon's death, which would involve stopping his breathing at the very least, on top of keeping Jessica away from the body as she'd likely cry into his chest like fucking everyone who has a loved one that dies in this story does.

Apparently you believe Jessica is functionally retarded. She probably hopelessly shits herself without even realizing it, in your eyes.

>>4261409
>>Except for that one scene right there. Really, what more do you want, Jessica to outright say it? Oh, and Shannon never says or expresses any romantic interest in Battler, guess she's out too!
That scene isn't a proof at all.
Especially when it directly references a scene between Jessica and Kanon.
Stop being such a deluded shipper faggot.

Also, "what if" and "could" aren't clues you know.

Try to bring even one solid thing before you build your theory.
One that show that Jessica could be a mastermind.
That she could be the Beatrice of the island.
That she really does love Battler enough to kill everyone on the island.

>>4261375
Oh, I get it, you do need everything spelt out for you. Really, how pathetic. DERP IT WASN'T DIRECTLY STATED IT MUST NOT BE TRUE.

>>4261374
What I like about this is that George's sudden proposal is another thing that goes wrong for Krauss and Natsuhi, and if Jessica really did love Shannon, it would cause a great deal of conflict for Natsuhi, who'd have to choose between the Ushiromiyas and her own feelings of having being forced into a relationship with someone she didn't love for family pride.

>>4261368
Except there were other hints about Battler being suspicious during episode 5. Like, suddenly he saw Kinzo and found the gold.

>>4261431
A scene that never happened from the detective's point of view. Moron.

Jessitrice and Shkannon are the only near-fully fleshed out theories I've come across. Do any of the naysayers have any good, well thought out counter theories?

>>4261424
>>4261427
Kanon lost the duel, that's why they couldn't be married.
And Jessica is a teenager, her feelings for Kanon are just a crush, an attraction, that's why she couldn't say anything.

Also Krauss and Natsuhi also don't know, this family is retarded I guess, blame R07.

>>4261367
Here it is: >>4261120
and like it or not, its way stronger than the white horse shit.

-There's the hint that Battler promised beatrice something. There's the hint that Beatrice wouldnt give the promise so easily as Shannon did.
And finally there's the hint that says that Jessica was very close to Battler who was the kind of guy to go on promising shit to everyone without thinking about the consequences.

-Jessica always hated Beatrice in a kind of irrational way, thing that is strange because no other character living in the island ever treated Beatrice disrespectfully. So there's foreshadowing to a connection.

There's all the connection between Beatrice the prisoner in the cage and Jessica the prisoner in the island.

There's the ''opportunity''. Jessica may not be the killer in most of the episodes, but she could do all kinds of shit like putting the Letters in the rooms. Also its hinted that the culprit is linked to both Maria and Natsuhi...SURPRISE. Remember scorpion charm scene, how the culprit knew that Natsuhi had it in her locked door?

There's Marijessica.

There's moon card.

There's the monologue that links the theory.

And there's the unhappiness and the foreshadowing of having a shitty life.

Seriously, i just said things that were in the top of my head, but if you look at it, Jessitrice isnt a bad theory at all.

>>4261431
> Try to bring even one solid thing before you build your theory.
> One that show that Jessica could be a mastermind.
> That she could be the Beatrice of the island.
> That she really does love Battler enough to kill everyone on the island.
So who do YOU think fits those characteristics? What evidence to you have to support it being Shannon? Or do you perhaps think Rosa is Beatrice?

>>4261450
>implying Beato did not lose the duel

>>4261442
Stop being such an Erika, idiot.
Once again, these scenes shouldn't be taken as false.
Everything did happen in some way.
Yeah even the Ange and Maria magic bullshit, they did happen in some way.

>>4261427

>You think Jessica has a female best friend, and a male crush, for three whole goddamn years, 1095 days, 26, 280 hours, and she doesn't realize they are the same exact person.

As ridiculous as it is, yes.

No proof exists that she knows Shannon and Kanon are one and the same. Again, hearsay is not proof.

>Furthermore, you find it reasonable that Jessica, who went to "aid" Kanon with Nanjo after his bullshit injury, didn't realize Nanjo doing something suspicious to fake Kanon's death, which would involve stopping his breathing at the very least, on top of keeping Jessica away from the body as she'd likely cry into his chest like fucking everyone who has a loved one that dies in this story does.

Nanjo could have sent Jessica out of the room BECAUSE she'd be emotionally distraught around Kanon's corpse. He could argue that he couldn't perform his duties as a doctor with her as a distraction and sent her out of sight of the body, then tell her not to inspect the body in any way since this could contaminate any evidence the police would have found.

>>4261450
> Kanon lost the duel, that's why they couldn't be married.
But Beatrice and Battler also lost the competition, so going by your logic they shouldn't have been able to get married in the meta world either.

See, the funny thing is that the entire Shkanontrice thing is based on the interactions between Shannon and Kanon, along with choice fantasy scenes, scenes that Battler never sees.

And yet, when we get a quite blatant scene with Battler as the detective that shows Jessica to be a total tsundere, everyone screams that there is no proof.

Well, hate to say it bros, but it's called foreshadowing. Question arcs, and answer arcs.

You seem to have it backwards. The answer won't be given to you, but the question will.

>>4261450
Krauss and Natsuhi dont care about the servants, Jessica does. And its heavely implied.

>>4261415
Because she doesn't want to be the head. She leads a similar life to what Ange does, and when she sees that Battler was able to escape that obligation for 6 years, it suggests there's hope for her too.

Also, if the epitaph is solved, and someone else becomes the head, then that's good for her as well. She did seem to protest too much when Erika brought up the idea in EP5, even though she'd be around the epitaph long enough not to get that idea herself.

>>4261466
>Again, hearsay is not proof.
With that mindset, nothing works. Shkannontrice does not work, Jessitrice, Rosatrice, there can be no Beatrice on the island, and yet there is.

>>4261466
The thing is bro, the answer isn't something to be spelt out for you. You and I are arguing on two different fields.

I am saying "It's logically impossible for Jessica to not know".

You are saying "Well, it's never outright said that Jessica DID know, so therefore, she doesn't know".

Thus, you seem to need things blatantly said, and I go with how things tend to work.

>>4261460
Play the game.

>>4261459
-Shannon is seen interacting with Beatrice extensively, same for Kanon.
-The Beatrice who talk with them is very similar to the Beatrice of the meta-world.
-Has both the means and the way to kill.
-Is a girl who was taken on the island since she was 6 by Kinzo himself, you know the guy who was trying to revive his Beatrice.
-Is the one girl that we know Battler made a promise to.
-Keep saying that she doesn't have a full soul, aka DID.
-Had to break a mirror to free Beatrice, which could be a symbolic way to break her own ego.

>>4261466
>>hearsay is not proof
Dude, a puzzle is not a puzzle if you can't put the pieces together. Likewise, a riddle isn't obligated to tell you the answer in the question, but rather, give you hints.

>>4261120
You know, this makes me wonder. What if Jessica was listening in on the conversation Battler had with the unknown person (You know when he says he likes girls like Jessica but not Jessica herself)? Maybe she took that as a rejection. And if you go by what is said here then it makes sense.

But this is a based off of the assumption of Jessitirce or Jessica from 6 years liking Battler.

>No proof exists that she knows Shannon and Kanon are one and the same. Again, hearsay is not proof.

This makes the whole EP2 scene of Kanon going to her school whilst wearing a thin outfit that obscures pretty much all his body and barely saying a single word when there pretty hilarious, especially considering how frumpy Shannon looked in her date with George.

>>4261477
There are 2 things about this post that are completely idiotic.
One is that Jessica isn't acting tsundere toward Battler at all in this pic.
What they are talking about and what she is thinking of is fucking obvious for anyone who isn't an asperger faggot.

Secondly, the "love" between the author and the reader is something very important in this work.
Without trust you will never be able to solve Umineko.
Beatrice wants Battler to solve it, everything we saw, be it the flashback or the fantasy scenes hint toward the truth.

>>4261506
>-Shannon is seen interacting with Beatrice extensively, same for Kanon.
Hearsay. Non-detective POV.
>-The Beatrice who talk with them is very similar to the Beatrice of the meta-world.
Hearsay. Non detective POV.
>-Has both the means and the way to kill.
>-Is a girl who was taken on the island since she was 6 by Kinzo himself, you know the guy who was trying to revive his Beatrice.
And Jessica was on the island her entire life.
>-Is the one girl that we know Battler made a promise to.
A promise she told him about. Meanwhile, Beatrice has made it quite clear that Battler has to reach the truth on his own.
>-Keep saying that she doesn't have a full soul, aka DID.
Hearsay. Non-detective POV.
>-Had to break a mirror to free Beatrice, which could be a symbolic way to break her own ego.
Hearsay. Non-detective's POV.

See, I can ask for "proof" too.

>-Had to break a mirror to free Beatrice, which could be a symbolic way to break her own ego.

It'd explain why Natsuhi has that mirror in EP1, and why she gives it to Jessica. Maybe as an act to encourage her to break out of her shell and go for what she really wants?

>>4261477

>See, the funny thing is that the entire Shkanontrice thing is based on the interactions between Shannon and Kanon, along with choice fantasy scenes, scenes that Battler never sees.

What?

1) Shannon and Kanon are never seen by Battler in the same room at the same time as two physically separate individuals.

2) The only promise we know of that Battler made was to Shannon 6 years before the game ever starts.

>And yet, when we get a quite blatant scene with Battler as the detective that shows Jessica to be a total tsundere, everyone screams that there is no proof.

All I see is a girl being embarrassed about talking of an embarrassing experience of hers with a close friend.

>>4261481

Let me get this straight:

Jessica plans out the Rokkenjima incident, which has an extremely high chance of killing everyone in her family and making her the Head by default, because she doesn't want to be the Head?

As for saying she lives a life like Ange, that's a fucking insult to Ange. Jessica has been shown to have fun with other people at her school, as well as enthusiastically participating in school activities. Natsuhi was strict on her daughter, but she didn't hate Jessica. Ange's life was hell because Eva fucking made it so.

>>4261524
Even simpler, Ryukishi pulled a similar stunt in Higurashi.

Keiichi with the doll, gave it to Rena, didn't even think about giving it to the tomboy Mion. Said a few inconsiderate things without anything malicious behind it, but it deeply hurt Mion.

Perhaps Jessica tried to confess to Battler as a child, and he laughed it off as a joke.

>>4261367
Murderer =/= Culprit in this mystery. Just like in Higurshi (Takano never kills anyone normally). You can even go as far as saying the person who puts the Stakes into peoples bodies, the Murderer, and the Culprit are different.

>>4261553
Yeah, Jessica had a blast as a child. Being locked inside dark enclosed places for extended periods of time must do wonders for one's psyche.

>Implying Shannon isn't the culprit.

Picture related. All the possible masterminds. Go nuts.

>>4261553
Let me get this straight. Jessica is best friends with Shannon, and in love with Kanon, knows them both for years, and thinks they are both different people?

Are you fucking retarded?

>>4261573
Wouldn't it be fucking hilarious if it was Hideyoshi?

...Fuck, I want it to be him at this rate.

>>4261576
Jessica is, Krauss' blood flow in her veins after all.

>>4261568
Interestingly enough, Jessica is the only person confirmed to have a shitty childhood out of the cousins.

>>4261493
>>4261510

I'm not against using hearsay to explain events, but only in supporting the FACTS and PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that is the beginning of any argument.

>>4261525

Ridiculous, yes. It still doesn't prove that Jessica knows Shannon and Kanon are the same person.

>>4261581
Yes, and Kinzo's blood flows in Krauss's, your point?

Alright, you Jessitrice faggots.
Explain the end of episode 1 for me.
Remember that, in this scene, Jessica is just next to Battler.

>>4261573
Wait, why is Rosa crossed out again?

>>4261506
You know this is pretty weak.

>>Shannon is seen interacting with Beatrice extensively, same for Kanon.
>>The Beatrice who talk with them is very similar to the Beatrice of the meta-world.

Doesnt proves horseshit, it could be that ''beatrice'' is Jessica, or there could be another things implicated in that.

>>Has both the means and the way to kill.

Which doesnt make anyone a culprit, just a likely accomplice.

>>Is a girl who was taken on the island since she was 6 by Kinzo himself, you know the guy who was trying to revive his Beatrice.

So was ''Jessica's brother'', so what if natsuhi is really infertile?

>>Is the one girl that we know Battler made a promise to.

Beatrice promise wouldnt be given, just implied.

>>Keep saying that she doesn't have a full soul, aka DID.

In b4 Jessica creating the DID in umineko ep2.

>>Had to break a mirror to free Beatrice, which could be a symbolic way to break her own ego.

That's like your own interpretation bro

>>4261590

To be fair, Rosa was the last I crossed out (and most hesitant to do so), buuut she dies in the first twilight 4 times, and the mastermind can't be that inept.

>>4261585
Well gee Anon, what are you looking for? A scene where she says they are the same?
Because, you're not going to get it!
You are, however, going to get a scene in which she complains to Shannon about a boyfriend, and a scene of her dragging Kanon to school.

But that is obviously not enough to "prove' to you that JESSICA DOES NOT KNOW THAT HER CLOSE FRIEND AND LOVE INTEREST IS THE SAME FUCKING PERSON.

>>4261589
Fusiontrice, natch.

>>4261583
You forgot Maria. And Ange. But yeah, George and Battler had comparatively decent childhoods.

>>4261589
Two possibilities: Fusiontrice, or there are two piece Beatrices. I'm starting to like the latter possibility myself, just because of the hilarity of two people dressed as Beatrice (one in the dress, one in the skirt) facing off in Episode 7 or 8.

>>4261573
Rudolf is the jobber of Umineko, he dies way too fucking early to be a mastermind, X him the fuck out.

What's his record in 1-4, 1st twilight, 1st twilight, 6th(?), 1st twilight? If anything, he's someone who tries to stop it, which is why he's so good at dying first.

>>4261586
>>Beatrice promise wouldnt be given, just implied.
It's R07 you know, he isn't a subtle writer.
And where the fuck do you see Jessica creating DID inside Shannon in episode 2?
First, do you realize how stupid this idea is?
And I hope to god you aren't talking about the Jessie scene.

>>4261568

I never said she had a great childhood. I was just trying to point out that there is an extreme difference between Ange of Episode 3's childhood and Jessica's childhood.

>>4261576

I never said that the notion isn't ridiculous. However, it is still a possibility because there does not exist any proof that Jessica knows that Shannon and Kanon are the same being.

>>4261614
It's not a possibilty. It's not even a remote possibilty. Jessica, more than anyone else, would know.
I really hate to say this, but have some common fucking sense.

>>4261583
EP6 showed that George had a fairly bad childhood.

Not anything fucking close to Maria, and seemingly Jessica, but he was under his mothers thumb for pretty much all of it.

>>4261614

Notions that are ridiculously unbelievable should be discarded as a matter of course, the same way we discard all "everybody is a shapeshifting alien" theories that are trivial to create, impossible to disprove but would be really fucking dumb.

>>4261603 Well gee Anon, what are you looking for? A scene where she says they are the same?

No. I'm looking for a scene that shows the detective discovering that Jessica knows Shannon is Kanon, which doesn't exist.

>>4261611
Doesn't matter how you try to explain it. It's said that Beatrice wanted Battler to reach the truth on his own. Or did you not read episode 5?

>buuut she dies in the first twilight 4 times, and the mastermind can't be that inept.

Doesn't Rudolf die that many times during the first twilight as well? Shouldn't that also exclude him from being a suspect?

I think I like Jessitrice theory more than ShKanon. Is there anything directly disproving Jessitrice?

Fusiontrice is fucking ridiculous because it implies that Jessica is a master mindfucker.
And she did this when she was 12.
And for no reason I can think of.
Oh wait because she had an unrequited love (that was never hinted at all) for Battler.

There's already one guy on the island who is obsessed about Beatrice.
A guy who probably hold enough power over Shannon to make her create another personality.
One who probably brought her on the island just for that.
You guys keep forgetting Kinzo.

>>4261589
There are three options:

1- This is bullshit
2- Shannon or Kyrie are dressed up as beatrice, which doesnt imply that she is really beatrice.
3-There's a catch and when nobody is looking jessica moves and snaps out.

>>4261585
Thats not how umineko works

>>4261640
Other than the fact that it's fucking stupid? Meh.

>>4261640
Like the fact that she can't be the culprit or that she dies early in episode 2?

>>4261641
Or you can combine the Jessitrice and Shkanontrice theories in a second way that isn't Fusiontrice. I call it: Doubletrice! You can see it in >>4261607.

>>4261641
Well, the monologue shows that the speaker had an unrequited love, and Jessica also, had an unrequited love.

And Battler's presence, not Kinzo, led to the creation of Beatrice.

>Interestingly enough, Jessica is the only person confirmed to have a shitty childhood out of the cousins.

Rosa confirmed for good mother.

>>4261646
1-Seen by the detective.
2- Kyrie had her face SMASHED and her body was confirmed in red.
3-So Jessica is the fucking FLASH?

Shannon/Kanon is the only one who work here.

>>4261634
So what you're asking for is something that will not show up until the very last episode, right.

You must be new to the mystery genre, although to be fair to you, Ryukishi is fucking awful at it, so it can be slightly understood to leave stupid bullshit on the table.

>>4261611
She creates the foreshadowing for DID in umineko, not a new personality in Shannon.

She says that SHE HAVE MORE THAN ONE PERSONALITIES INSIDE HERSELF.

>>4261664
I actually played episode 6, the monologue say nothing about an unrequited love.
If I remember correctly, it only says that she can't love him anymore so she is giving her love and pain to Beatrice.

>>4261668
Well, I mean cousins who actually could be Beatrice, natch.

And at least Rosa didn't murder a goddamn baby.

>>4261679
She just says that she is different in school and on the island.
The reaction of Kanon in this scene is more telling actually.

>>4261681
Nope, the translation was clear.
Feelings I couldn't obtain, feelings I couldn't bear.

Both the feelings she could not obtain from Battler, and the feelings she could not bear towards Battler.

And the fact that she creates Beatrice to love Battler, and(here's the kicker) if POSSIBLE, be loved by him.

If possible. Meaning that while the feelings towards Battler are absolute, the feelings he'll have towards Beatrice are not.

>>4261681
No, it also mentions something about "the feelings [she] could not obtain"; if you aren't stupid, it should be fairly obvious what that would be referring to, considering what is talked about.

>>4261690
If you are just focusing in Kanon of course.
BUT she batantly says that she created ANOTHER SELF not just that she acts differently. Please, if it cant be used as a clue, nothing can.

Without love it cannot be seen. But if you refuse to see you wont see it either.

>>4261655
>Like the fact that she can't be the culprit
Cool opinion bro.

>she dies early in episode 2?
And she lives ridiculously long in the other three. Lives to the end of 1, end of 3, and end of 4. hurp durp, cool omitting bro.

Not to mention Kyrie culprit is now dead with that logic, because first twilight EP2, and Shannon dies first twilight in EP3.

Feel free to say Kyrie or Shannon were faking their death, because it's just as fair to say Jessica faked hers.

...But Battler said he liked girls like Jessica. Then why would she...just...what?

>>4261695
>>4261694
Moonspeak didn't read this way though, it's the translation that is at fault.
It read 'feeling she couldn't keep".

>>4261703
He likes girls like Jessica. But he isn't into Jessica herself.

>>4261675

>So what you're asking for is something that will not show up until the very last episode, right.

Umineko is solvable for the reader by Episode 5 since Battler solved the mystery and became the Endless Sorcerer. There has been nothing depicted that shows to an absolute degree that Jessica knows Shannon is Kanon.

However, what you and several other people seem to be forgetting is that I think the notion that Jessica is ignorant of Shannon and Kanon is ridiculous. However, none of the evidence so far can remove this as a possibility.

>>4261708
...Post the moonspeak, please. Because that changes things to... actually that makes things even more confusing, because it implies that the person had Battler's love but then lost it.

>>4261708
Nah, it said something along the lines of obtain, I read it myself.

>>4261713
And there was nothing until Episode 6 that states to an absolute degree that Shannon = Kanon. Yet there are only 16 people on the island, according to Episode 6.

>>4261703
She's her cousin goddamn. Also he always fought her, he could have dumped her without even knowing.

One thing i find funny is that the way Battler brawls with Beatrice is way too similar to the way its implied they acted with eachother.

Also phone call in EP5 compared with beatrice call in EP4...

>>4261713
A possibilty that is ridiculous shouldn't be considered as a possibilty.

Is it possible that Beatrice is a teapot? Sure.
Do we actually think that? Hell no.

>>4261731
Relationship between cousins isn't taboo in Japan.
And "what if" isn't a clue, once again.

>>4261738
What if is a clue, that's how theories work. They are ideas, based on themes and the mechanics of the story. If it was fact, it'd be a law.

But beyond that, Jessica is explictly stated to have had her husband picked for her, but one that wouldn't be high in rank at all. It's clear to see how a relationship with Battler would not work out.

>>4261734
>A possibilty that is ridiculous shouldn't be considered as a possibilty.
>Shkanontrice considered
>Jessitrice considered

Sure there are facts, that doesn't mean it's not fucking ridiculous.

>>4261738
This is a family that goes apeshit over their children falling in love with being of low standing, ie the servants.

They would go apeshit if there was incest going on.

Not to mention that just because it isn't taboo, doesn't mean Battler was for it. He was a kid, probably dumber than he already is, and didn't even consider thinking of her in an intimate manner.

お聞きなさい。

　私はあなたに、右代宮戦人に恋する心を、譲ります。
　あなたは、右代宮戦人の望む女性となりなさい。

　あなたに、彼が望む、黄金の髪を。
　あなたに、彼が望む、蒼い瞳を。
　あなたに、彼が望む、彼に相応しい性格を。

　そして、……私の代わりに恋をしなさい。
　そして、許されるなら、彼に恋されなさい。

　私には、………もう彼を愛することが、出来ないのです。

　どうか、私には遂げられなかった想いを、……私には堪えられなかった想
いを、
　……あなたが遂げて。

・あなたは今日より、私ではなくなります。
　私は今日より、あなたではなくなります。
　私たちは一つの魂を割いて、分け合おう。
　それは一つの魂には当然満たないけれど。
　きっと人より多くの夢を見させてくれる。

　私たちに、祝福あれ………。

　私の可愛い、ベアトリーチェ………。

　誰にもあなたの姿は見えないけれど。
　でも私にだけはあなたが見えるよ。
　そしてあなたも色々な人に愛されれ。
　きっとみんなにも姿が見えるようになっていく。

　愛があれば、私たちは視えるよ……。

>I never said she had a great childhood. I was just trying to point out that there is an extreme difference between Ange of Episode 3's childhood and Jessica's childhood.

Not too extreme. Both were being groomed as the next head, had classmates they felt they had to prove things to (the existence of Jessica's boyfriend), had a crazy aunt who resented them and a servant who they feel strongly about, as well as missing Battler a bit too much.

I mean, if Ange retreated into learning about MARIA to escape, what's so strange about Jessica doing the same with Beatrice?

>>4261748
It's more like at the end of EP6, it's either Shkannon, or Erika somehow does not exist.

Nothing proves Shkannon with your obstinate "it must be show clearly in front of me" criteria, but it makes a lot more sense than lolghosterika.

>>4261738
It isnt a big taboo like it is in the US.
But it would be a big enough taboo to the Ushiromiya family.

Also stop with this proof shit, there's is no proof in umineko, just real clues and fake clues from which we WONT know whichever is which until the last episode.

Another thing, there's not what if.

Battler always brawled with Jessica
Jessica always was bossy and fought Battler
Battler always said shit to everyone at this age
HE IS INCOMPETENT.

>>4261708
Even if that is true, there is still of course the issue of redundacy, and being loved by battler a mere possibility.

>>4261761
And Erika was stated in red to exist in Episode 5 (she raised the headcount and everything), so... yeah.

>>4261762
From the way they've acted, I'd be less surprised if incest is the worry and not having to share the headship of the family with another family member.

>>4261730

>And there was nothing until Episode 6 that states to an absolute degree that Shannon = Kanon

True. Also, until Episode 6, there was nothing wrong with a theory that relied on Shannon and Kanon being two separate beings.

>>4261762
This. Quite frankly, I have to say, this thread really didn't do much to make me doubt Jessica's involvement.

She knows about Shannon and Kanon being the same. It's really retarded to assume otherwise. She's shown to have a close relationship with Battler, and the image that everyone is shitting bricks about is more than enough foreshadowing.

Heck, Battler used the fact that Rudolf wanted to talk to him as adequate foreshadowing for him being Natsuhi's son, and the theory held weight. Wasn't correct of course, but the criteria for foreshadowing isn't YOU MUST BLATANTLY SAY THIS.

>>4261755

Jessica had friends and looked forward to attending school, as it allowed her a life away from her family.

Ange never had this chance.

>>4261769
Didn't exist in 6. Because she became a witch.

There is no proof she existed in Episode 6.

>>4261790
Regardless of who suffered more, Jessica still is the only one of the cousins to have expressly been said to have a shitty childhood.

I like the clash going on here though. Jessica seems to be a bit of a dark horse.

>>4261790
What are you talking about, Ange was away from her family all the time. *cackle*

>>4261791
Ghosts don't cut people's heads off.

>>4261791
Except that battler specifies that there are 17 persons counting with Erika.

>>4261790
I wouldnt be surprised if Jessica school life wasnt ''embelished by magic''.
You know, everyone is afraid of the Ushiromiyas.

>>4261809
It's a sad state of affairs that a plus in Jessica's life was that she got to go to school, so she didn't have to spend ALL her time on the hellhole that is Rokkenjima.

>>4261800
She's the fucking moon of course.

>It's a sad state of affairs that a plus in Jessica's life was Touhou cosplay
fixed

>>4261800
Well, simply put, she is the suspicious person.
Not the SUSPICIOUS person.
And that has made all the difference.

>Jessica still is the only one of the cousins to have expressly been said to have a shitty childhood.

Maria would argue with you there but Sakutarou is telling her not to.

>>4261854
Well, once again, I meant besides Maria. We're talking about Battler's bros from 6 years ago.

>>4261854
I've been enjoying the Chiru arcs, mostly because there has been very little uu going on, for obvious reasons.

>>4261840
Since a common theory is that the demons = people on the island, what's there to say that what happens to Ange isn't also a representation of what's happening to someone else on the island?

I did not have to read all that crap about her in EP4 just for it not to be relevant, dammit!

>>4261878
Most of the stuff involving Ange is significant only at a Meta-level. It has no direct effect on the events of the island. That isn't to say it isn't completely unrelated though.

>>4261120
Is that some PONY I see?

>>4261805
Someone else did. It was a fantasy scene used to explain why people's heads are being lopped off.

>>4261120
Oh god, wow. She really does seem into Battler. Why did he have to say one kilometer? Why? WHY?!

>>4261949
How far exactly is the mansion from the beach?

>>4261573

Nanjo is a possible mastermind. He has the motive to kill and hate all of the Ushiromiyas with a passion.

His best friend is not given a proper burial and he is asked to keep up a conspiracy that shames him and his legacy, every year he sees his friend's family act like a pack of raving vultures, before his friend dies, he poured out his soul on how he hated his family, and he slowly sank into despair and insanity and drink while Nanjo watched, powerless to stop him. Nanjo is a big hearted man who loves his family, then his grand daughter gets cancer. Woops. Then he sees the Ushiromiyas wasting this precious family bonds.

>>4261953
Most likely less than a kilometer. We know that Battler meant to refer to Kanon, the issue is that he, too, is in the are of one kilometer.

>>4261961

I would be okay with this

but

medical professional did it was done in higurashi and ryu said no major plot points would resurface in umineko

>>4261949
Battler is oblivious to how much everyone wants his cock.

Which is why it's not shown much in the first 4 eps, because it's told from his POV.

>>4261972
So Shkanon should get discounted to because of Shmion?

Judging from Battler's reasoning in the last box, I would assume the entire island is covered by that one kilometer radius.

Doesn't matter though, because Jessica didn't even say a definite yes or no and didn't use red.

>>4261120
God, I just read this when promise came on. Feels bad man;_;

>>4261999

Last I checked twin switch is far different from Disassociative Identity Disorder.

>>4262005
The worst part is how Battler says she hasn't given up.
I mean, fuck man. Fuck!

>>4261120
>it was like they didn't view me that way
Well fuck. She is almost certainly talking about Battler, here.

>>4262018
No, the worst part is him saying right afterwards "I should really get myself a girlfriend"

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

>>4261237
Kanon exists for Georgie-san.

>>4262043
When does George even talk to Kanon?

>>4262047
When Kanon wears a dress.

>>4262035
Yeah, this. Fucking Moon....chan.
I wish I could give her a hug.

>>4262035
You do make a good point. "They didn't view me that way" is something more fitting of Battler, than Kanon.

That and EVERYTHING ELSE.

>>4262047
Episode 1, first twilight, when they discover Shannon and the others' corpses, which can't be a double because of Knox rules.

>>4261825

>>4262077
Shannon's corpse was the bags of fertilizer Kanon had been wheeling about earlier in the Episode.

"Tsundora" sounds like a hat.

>>4262081
But... wait. If Kanon hates Beatrice, and Beatrice is Jessica, does that mean that Kanon hates Jessica?

While all this talk about Moon-chan and Shkannontrice is interesting (I'm still leaning towards Kyrie being involved in the plan in some way), I'm more curious as to who Lambda's piece is supposed to be.

>>4262095
...beatrice?

>>4262095
Lambda's piece is Satoko.

>>4262081
Kanon = Suika

>>4262095
Why would Lambda need a piece?

>>4262095
She doesn't have to have one. Ange was in the Meta too, doesn't mean she had a piece.

>>4262102
Ibuki Suika? Or an actual watermelon?

>>4262099
No, Lambda's piece (the man on the telephone) is someone probably related to Beatrice, but isn't on the same side as shown in Ep. 5.

>>4262094
No.

Just like Maria can love Rosa but hate the Black Witch, Kanon can love Jessica but hate Beatrice.

Well, that and the fact that he's furniture and incapable of liking anything.

>>4262113
It'd be pretty ironic if things end with Battler loving Beatrice, but still not having feelings for Jessica.

are you people confusing kilometres with metres or something?

1km= 1000metres.

why are you makin such a fuss over a Km? its quite a distance.

>>4262113
Well, poor Kanon.
Lacks a penis, is basically Jessica's 2nd place prize, and is destined to marry George.

>>4262130
Nah, the distance is a non-issue, and we know what Battler meant.

The issue, however, is that he, too, falls within a kilometer.

>>4262139

He would wall in ANY distance. He's right next to her.

>>4262118
Well, Ryukishi keeps pushing love, it would be quite an asspull if whoever is committing the murders loves Battler, and he doesn't end up reciprocating it.

>>4261334
Jessica drugged Battler before first Twilight in EP 1 and is keeping him and torturing him until he confesses. That's how the family will be restored to him, EP 1 never happened.

>>4262103
Ange was not part of the board in any way, shape, or form. She's quite unlike Piece-Beatrice, Virgilia, Ronove, Gaap, or Eva-Beatrice, who have been shown to be actively involved in the game events. This also means that Dlanor and her group doesn't represent "anyone" or "anything" on the board itself either, as they don't interact with the pieces themselves.

Lambda's piece obviously played a huge part in manipulating Natushi, so that means that somebody must be representing her.

>>4262150
That's.........hot.

>>4262139
but so could anyone else on the island

>>4262146
But Battler didn't seem to show any concern for Jessica in Episode 6, only Beatrice.

>>4262154
You are right. Jessica loves gohda

>>4262151
But... Dlanor has interacted with Natsuhi, at the very least.

>>4262154
True. But, do remember. Kanon is Shannon. Jessica knows this, and Battler and Jessica are the same age, and Jessica is acting all tsunderesh before the servant gets mentioned.

>>4262159
Do be aware that in episode 6 Battler was deliberating protecting Beatrice's secret. Meaning, the less in depth focus of a particular character, the more of a sign that something is up.

>>4262167
Gertrude and Cornelia's eyes are red, so they probably represent some of the torture equipment in that dungeon of Kuwadorian. On the other hand, Dlanor's eyes are not the blue of the Meta beings who have human equivalents, nor the red of the Meta beings who are based on objects; her eyes are yellow. So yeah, she probably doesn't represent something on the gameboard. ...Maybe she represents the Knox rules themselves?

4262154 here, deleted my post because I'm stupid, looked it up and Rokkenjima is 10km.

>>4262180
but the distance from the beach to the mansion would still be in 1km... but yeah, shkanon.

>>4262180
Oh. Oh.... oh god.

>>4262178
But the characters who didn't receive much focus in Episode 6 were Kinzo, Genji, Nanjo, Gohda, and Kumasawa....

>>4262167
The Courtroom is a meta-level representation of what's going on in the mansion, obviously. It's pretty clear that whatever goes on in the court doesn't take place on the gameboard.

Dlanor only speaks to Natsuhi's meta-self, and the courtroom is plainly not acknowledged in the game.

>>4262197
I mean out of Beato canidates, natch. Though Kinzotrice would be delicious.

>>4262210
Six years ago Battler made a promise to suck his grand father's dick for a dollar...

>>4262210
He succeeds and becomes the little girl.

>>4262192
Yeah. See, that is why I think there was such a desperate struggle to "prove" that Jessica was truly ignorant of Shannon = Kanon.

If she knew(which she does), then all attempts to explain away the top scene become moot.

>>4262222
Yeah, this. Very tragic for Jessica though. I used to legitmately think she was just evil as hell, but now I am feeling for her. It's funny how things work.

>>4262179
Red eyes = inanimate vessel (e.g. a stuffed animal, stakes)
Blue eyes = animate vessel (e.g. Kumasawa, Genji)
Purple eyes = ???
Yellow eyes = abstract concept (e.g the truth)

At least, that's what I think.

>>4262234
Not really. We all felt for droopy once we saw everything she went through.

Or at least I did.

It could just be the nurses uniform influencing me though.

>>4262243
That'd mean Gaap would be someone on the island.

>>4262248
Yeah. Funny, five months ago I wouldn't have accepted this, and yet, now I am willing, and actually, hoping, for a Jessica end.
She's grown on me.

>>4262265
Nanjo.

>>4262265
Well duh. She's Beatrice's best friend. So she's probably Shannon. Could be Nanjo, though.

>>4262278
Wouldn't that mean George was trying to ninja his own fiance in EP4?

Speaking of Nanjo, I decided to read Animesuki for once and see their theories, the latest one being NANJO IS REALLY NANJO'S 19 YEAR OLD GRANDDAUGHTER IN DISGUISE. The worst part was, a member of Witch Hunt was one of the people accepting/proposing this theory.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?p=2888928#post2888928

>>4262291
Just goes to show you, you can be a good translater, and not have an ounce of common sense.

>>4262269
Its love.
Just as R07 said, without it nothing can be seen.

I just feel a little bad if Jessitrice is true because if it is i wont learn ''love'' in the way he expected as i already expected jessitrice.

>>4262290
Well, he was, in reality, trying to outsmart Jessica.
He did!
But Jessica used a gun, and gun use boolet.
Nobody outsmart boolet.

>>4262302
Do be aware that it doesn't have to be Jessitrice. It could be Fusiontrice, or something else entirely.

Beatrice is hella complicated, after all.
And expecting Jessitrice because of lol blonde hair and expecting Jessitrice because of actual thought out ideas are two different things.

>>4262291
Somewhere, Dlanor is having a complete breakdown.

>>4262291

Nah. The very latest ones are "maps" of episodes. Try the EP5 thread. Pretty good, saves me the time of rereading them.

>>4262315
Yeah. Funny, though. Really, there seemed to be an adament refusal to even look closely at Jessica, back in the day.

>>4262291
Wow chrono. I love you for translating Umineko. Really, i respect you A LOT.

But this is bad.

>>4262352
It could be a parody?
Please?
>>4261120
Oh, is it that time again?
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKIIIIIIIIIII
IIIIIIIIING MOON-CHAN!

>And expecting Jessitrice because of lol blonde hair and expecting Jessitrice because of actual thought out ideas are two different things.

Someone is pretending to be a blond haired girl called Beatrice and is seen by several family members.
There is only one blond haired girl on the island.
There are only two(?) girls of a similar age to Beatrice on the island.

Even Maria can tell the difference between an old and young person and a man and a woman (even if Jessica can't. :3)

>>4262372
OH KANON! YOU'RE SO EMO, AND MYSTERIOUS, AND TOTALLY NOT MY BEST FRIEND SHANNON!

>>4262379
Oh god, Moon-chan, why so inelegant?

>>4262290
This would perfectly suit the dilemma.

you guys think R07 is gonna give us incest end?
it's not impossible but I just don't find it in him...

>>4262372
R07 is a fucker. He gave Jessica the major shields against suspiscion. A boyfriend and a appearance that actually resembles Beatrice.

So as time goes on he throws a bunch of shit and then forgot that it was her all along.

>>4262409
lololol infertile Natsuhi
lololol adoption
lololololol non-blood related.

>>4262410
*we forgot

>>4262409
It isn't incest because Battler isn't Battler.

>>4262419
Rudolf is still his father.

>>4262425
That's easy because Rudolf isn't Rudolf either.

>>4262419
battler is ange's brother, he's definitely rudolf and kyrie's son.
now jessica could be an orphan but after the whole ep5 I don't want to believe that natsuhi's daughter is a lie as well.

>>4262434
The word "lie" and Jessica tend to go along well.

>>4262379
Now about a nice game of pretend?

It's either Jessica, Shkannon, or hobo end, basically.

And it seems Shannon sincerely loves George, so unless we get some NTR "lol fuck you george" end with Shannon, Jessica is the only likely option for Battler to fuck someone.

>>4262081
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

>>4262434
In truth the one that was killed was Jessica.
Natsuhi collapsed in sorrow and then Kinzo adopted a children from the orphanage to take her place. Convincing Natsuhi that the one who died was the adopted children and not Jessica.

Jessica 2 grew up and became the Jessica we all known.

I see no problem with something like that, it follow right up into R07 writing style.

>>4262449
No one really cares about George. I think it was revealed in gold that he killed everyone, but we all were asleep when it happened.

>>4262434
Jessica isn't an orphan. She's Asumu's daughter, which is why she enjoys trolling Kyrie so much.

>>4262081
Sounds like Kanon is trying to snap Jessica back, there.

>>4262449
"Sorry George, but I'm a lesbian.

And I'm also doing your cousin

And I like to dress like a man."

>>4262463
Would I do that?

>>4262478
That's how it could have happened, but how about this?

"Sorry George, I'm actually Kanon"

"And gay"

"And dating your cousin Battler."

>>4262460
Battler/George ending.

Just to add some shit to the thread.
In episode 3, Eva only killed Battler and maybe Rosa and Maria.
I say maybe because she may have never found the gold. Battler didn't witness it. No red text were ever shown for Eva finding the gold (and even if she did it, it was already after the first twilight).
This means the true culprit would have to be alive by the time right after Rosa and Maria died.

>>4262500
Well, worst case scenario is him dying in the final episode, and Shannon finding solace in Battler's manly pecs.

>>4262514
Wasn't it implied that she was the only one who survived because she found Kuwadorian?

That said, if your family members were being murdered, and you knew a hidden bunker of gold that no one else had found, wouldn't you have moved them there?

>>4262514
I kinda doubt that Eva killed anyone.
Its never said that she did...and it doesnt fit with her personality.

Hmmm.....there are not necessarily 16 people excluding Erika. Battler's statement did not include the word "exactly" in it.

>>4262549
>no one else had found
Another thing we are not sure.

>>4262631
"Including you, it's 17."

That's fairly exact.

>>4261583
Hello? MARIA PERHAPS?! (Maria, not MARIA)

>>4262798
What are you talking about? Rosa is a great mother.

>>4262804
At times, the best in the series by far.
But I bet Maria wouldn't be quite as loopy as she is if she wasn't loved, neglected and beaten alternatively.

Perhaps there's some royal mindscrew I've no knowledge of exonerating her actions, but Rosa certainly gave Maria a fairly crappy childhood. It's validated to a degree by Rosa having a crappy life, and feeling guilty. But she doesn't stop.

And sakutaro was better with a head.

>>4262790

As I recall, it's including you, [red]it's 17.[/red]

*cackle*

>>4262916
"including you" is also in red.

>>4262179
> Gertrude and Cornelia's eyes are red, so they probably represent some of the torture equipment in that dungeon of Kuwadorian.
No, Gertrude is Eva's receipt and Cornelia is gum tape.