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Yes. It was just Ryukishi trying too hard to make the fights epic.

Practically everything in Umineko is a useless addition:

The stakes
Witches other than Beatrice
Battler becoming emperor
Magical beings
Magic

personally I thought there was gonna be purple text

>Purple is the color of good judgment. It is the color of people seeking spiritual fulfillment. It is said if you surround yourself with purple you will have peace of mind. Purple is a good color to use in meditation.

>Purple has been used to symbolize magic and mystery, as well as royalty. Being the combination of red and blue, the warmest and coolest colors, purple is believed to be the ideal color. Most children love the color purple. Purple is the color most favored by artists. Thursday's color is purple.

>Violet is the color of purpose. Violet is associated with the Crown chakra (This links individual and universal).

>Wear purple when you want to encourage fantasy, mystery and imagination.

>Purple combines the stability of blue and the energy of red. Purple is associated with royalty. It symbolizes power, nobility, luxury, and ambition. It conveys wealth and extravagance. Purple is associated with wisdom, dignity, independence, creativity, mystery, and magic.

>>4233241

>The stakes
>useless

>>4233241
Pretty much this.

I think Ryukishi realized he wrote himself into a corner. Dlanor fucking cornered the author, so he had to use this bullshit plothax.

Are we even aware of what the gold truly is yet?

>>4233246
They are.

The main plot itself is useless.
DID meido did it, must be the dumbest mystery ever written.
Ryuukishi should have just sold it as a fanservice game with frilly characters.

>>4233246
I think that was the first picture I ever saved.

>>4233248

Apparently it's used to express a truth higher than the red truth. The absolute truth.

>>4233248
Isn't gold undeniable or something like that?

>>4233252
...he did.

>>4233256
>>4233258
That's the thing though, there was that "No supernatural methods" bullshit that made it impossible to use the red, and then OH LOL, CHANGED THE COLOR OF MY WORDS, IT'S ALL GOOD NOW.

>>4233233

He succeded

>>4233241
That's one reason why it sucks. Ryukishi keeps adding stupid shit that only further convolutes the plot.

>>4233248

>Are we even aware of what the gold truly is yet?

The gold truth is the truth accepted by every normal person in the world. This is why it "can sometimes be superior, and sometimes inferior" to the red truth.

>>4233252

But he did that with the anime.

>>4233281

I thought it was inferior because it doesn't allow any kind of wordplay, unlike red text.

I can understand that red is truth and that gold is reality-defining, but I don't get how gold doesn't count as a supernatural agent under that law. Or why the red text didn't count as a supernatural agent when he referenced back to when Beatrice said no one could mistake something that is not Kinzo for Kinzo.

>>4233273
Maybe for people who like shounen shit.

>>4233293

Why, if magic doesn't exist, NOTHING counts as a supernatural agent.

Is that the sprite from F/SN's sparks liners high ?

>>4233293
The only way I was able to reason it out is he had that discussion before with Virgilia about the trust between reader and author, and how Beatrice was the "author" of these gameboards, etc., so by discovering the entire truth, he effectively became an "author" too. The author of a story obviously does not need proof to show a character is dead. If the author says they are dead, their word is basically that of a god.

It's bullshit and filled with holes, but I found it easier to accept than Ryukishi not knowing what the fuck he is doing. Only problem is that line of reasoning highly supports the Fiction End people are thinking of.

>>4233319

>fictionend

I like to think of the gold text as a message from the writer himself.
It's from battler who would not make roundabout ways and twisting words to say something so we can take it at face value with no hidden meanings, and it's being said as the game master himself and the gold text speaks only the truth.

It is the truth.
Evidence is not needed to prove it is true or not
I said it therefore it is true.
Even if you have evidence that says otherwise, it does not change the truth.

He only used it once for episode 5, but we can expect him to pull it out a few more times in later episodes.
If he goes out of his way to use it then it's probably pretty important to pay attention.

>>4233340

I already pay attention when someone uses the red

>>4233333
That right there is some pretty convoluted writing.

You know what? Despite everything, I like Umineko.

>>4233346
Yes but the red text is convoluted and full of hidden meaning.
The gold text is straightforward.
If something is said in gold then you can take that at face value and apply it solving things.
Red text itself is often a mystery.

>>4233356
Thank you. I thought I was alone.

>>4233244
>Violet symbolizes power, nobility, luxury, and ambition. It conveys wealth and extravagance. Purple is associated with wisdom, dignity, independence, creativity, mystery, and magic.

Fits perfectly.

Plenty of people here like Umineko despite what they may say.
It just gets hate because it the popular thing right now.

>>4233405

Yeah, I remember a year ago /jp/ was in love with it.

>>4233415
Ya, after /a/ got a hold of it, everything went to shit.

>>4233405
There's a difference between like and "like".
I just enjoy Umineko like I enjoyed shows like Code Geass.
It's kinda fun but I have no illusion about it.
Though I do think the most fun thing about it is discussing it afterward, the game itself are too badly written to be really enjoyable.

>>4233405
>It just gets hate because it the popular thing right now.
What? No, it was popular since like EP3 at the latest.

It gets hate because no one likes the path it is taking, get your facts straight.

>>4233430
Not really, it's getting less hate now. Just that since we are in a lull waiting for more, less threads = easier to see trolls.

>>4233405
I don't hate it but I don't think it's that good. 3 and 4 were good but the other episodes have been average at best. Seeing half the front page covered in Umineko does get annoying though.

>>4233426
For awhile now I've been thinking of Umineko as /jp/'s Code Geass. The fans are equally bad as well.

>>4233449
>Not really, it's getting less hate now.
From the very beginning of the EP6 spoilers, it got a ridiculous amount of hate. It didn't help that the EP5 English patch came a few days before 6 was released, going from awesome to "What the fuck is this shit?"

I don't know where you're getting this idea that we hate it because it is popular, we hate it because 6 seems to solidify Shkannontrice, and even gives credit to the more odious theories like fictionend.

People used to think of Umineko as a good mystery in a way.
With all these closed rooms and impossible murders.
Now that the answer has come in view, the illusions of these people are being shattered.

>>4233476

better than a touhou frontpage

>>4233491

not

No, but I think greentext was a useless addition.

Now that Umineko has an anime, it is /a/ related

/jp/ hates /a/

so...

we've just had teo golden text in both games, and one of them prves magic exists and that moetrice could use magic

>>4233950

What does it say exactly?

>>4233965
that Beatrice (moetrice) genuinely used her own magic to make a rose petal appear under her coup and that she (Beatrice 2) was impressed

Here's my interpretation:

Red text is ∃, holds as long as one possible interpretation within the game holds. I have two cats, both are called Biscuit, one is dead. "Biscuit is dead" can be stated in red. Gold text is ∀, it holds for every interpretation within the game's boundaries. To state that "Kinzo is dead" in gold, there must be no way any Kinzo within the borders of the Rokkenjima game (this includes, but is not necessarily composed of, the entire island) is alive in any form, leaving no room for any doubt.

Bullshit like "It is possible to interpret character X as Kinzo" does not hold. Consider all characters to have inherent tags. Kinzo has the [USHIROMIYA KINZO] tag. If I state "This is the body of Ushiromiya Kinzo", it refers to people with the [USHIROMIYA KINZO] tag, that is to say, Kinzo. Saying otherwise is akin to saying "1 > 2 because in my interpretation of mathematics 1 has a greater value than 2. "

The Rokkenjima game is often compared to chess, but I liken it to a mathematics problem. The gamemaster presumably sets the inherent definitions of the people on the island, that is, what the are and what they are not, so you cannot go nuts with conspirancy theories. Both red and gold text are designed to do precisely that.

What the fuck did I just write I think I'm turning into Ryukishi.

>>4233968

"Her own magic" can refer to something other then real magic.

>>4233948

true. and pitiful.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Ptitle6cd1cskka05i

>>4233974

Implied since the beginning of umineko.

>>4233971

This is interesting, and also correct, I think.

>>4233971

I was thinking like that after ep5, but with ep6 it is slightly more complicated

>>4233990
Care detailing ep6's conditions?

Fun part is I've yet to catch up. Lost my Umineko folder midway through ep3, didn't bother to continue ever since. All my gold text knowledge comes from spoilers.

>>4233484

This exact thing has happened before, you know. Higurashi's quality dropped by half when people started getting answers and found out that the answers were lamer than any theory they had imagined themselves.

This sort of thing is almost inevitable when you base your entire story around a central mystery.

"You hate it because it's popular" is in 99% of cases nothing more than an assertion that commercially successful things should be above criticism.

>>4234008

So maybe an open end is the best thing in this case?

>>4234023

A well done open end is the best, but the problem is that if it's not done well, it just looks like the writer himself never had a solution to begin with.

>>4234031

Well, that shouldn't be the case, since Ryukishi said Umineko is solvable..

>>4234008

I don't think Higurashi's quality dropped with the answer arcs. The only real problem I had with the answers were that you couldn't really deduce them.

Now that Umineko promises to be a mystery where we can deduce the truth, people are pissed off because they don't like the possible solutions that the clues are pointing to. Some people find Shkanontrice too ridiculous, and Moon-chan too obvious.

Also, it has to be said that while episodes 1-3 were heavy on giving us mysteries to solve, episode 4 was much more vague, and not a whole lot happened in episode 5. So mystery fags are naturally going to be pissed.

>>4233241
>Practically everything in Umineko is a useless addition:
>The stakes
>Witches other than Beatrice
>Battler becoming emperor
>Magical beings

THIS. Seriously, this would be so much more coherent and focused if the only supernatural element was Beatrice. That's the only thing you need for the story to work, and like some great thinker or another put it, perfection is found not when you can no longer think of anything to add, but when you no longer can take anything away.

Instead Ryukishi seems hellbent on throwing in every ridiculous magical being he can think of, whether the story actually benefits from their presence or not.

>>4234072

Maybe he's trying to convince us magic exists?

>>4234091

If he is, he's a moron. The "is it magic or not" has never been a real question because we know this shit is a mystery story and there is no mystery if "a wizard did it" is an acceptable solution. The only question is HOW it was done non-magically, not if.

I like the magical characters, they add color, work as allegories and representations of what happened and some are even likeable, also help to obscure the truth
A witch using winchesters just isn't as cool as a witch using magical russian bunnies that have windows vista

Ryu07 said right from the very beginning that any human culprit theory will be utter shit, so I don't know what you expected.

>>4234141
>Umineko is the worst kind of tale
Word.

>>4234141

What is this?

>>4234160
The official introduction, translated by witch-hunt.

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>>4234180
Stop mr bot /jp/ has nothing to do with this. Go spam /b/.

>>4234141
Sounding kind of full of yourself there, Ryukishi.

Perhaps when he crawls out of third rate mystery writer status, he can make bold claims like that.

>>4234141
PERSONS attempting to find a motive in this narrative will be prosecuted; persons attempting to find a moral in it will be banished; persons attempting to find a plot in it will be shot.

BY ORDER OF THE AUTHOR,
Per G.G., Chief of Ordnance.

I think Ryukishi07 was trying to pull a Mark Twain. It didn't work.

>>4234192
Yeah, even if he's only joking around, he needs to realize he is a fucking doujin writer, it's insulting, in a way.

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>>4234197

Man, don't take it so seriously.

>>4234141
>>4234190
>>4234197

>Implying the intro isn't written from Beatrice's perspective

It's just a literary device.
Well, he's entitled to try to make his work epic if he thinks he can do it, and we're entitled to say if we think he succeeded when he's done. It's not like everybody should resign themselves to mediocrity.

>>Well, that shouldn't be the case, since Ryukishi said Umineko is solvable..

He said that he will not give the answer, but will continue to give more and more clues, until everyone find THE answer by themselves.


And I really love /jp/.
They can't find the answer/ they only see one answer and they don't like it
=> it sucks,
rather than searching for other possibilities.


>> whether the story actually benefits from their presence or not.

I think that the writer knows better than you if, finally, a character x will be useful or not...

>>4234488
>I think that the writer knows better than you if, finally, a character x will be useful or not...

You can of course think what retarded nonsense you want.

>>4234211

This.

>>4234488
>>rather than searching for other possibilities.

There is no other possibility because ShKanontrice is the answer.
No other theory come even close to making everything fit like this.
That's why people are disappointed.

>>4234766

What if it turns out it isn't?
I don't think Ryukishi is just going to go and say "LOL YOU GUYS WERE RIGHT CONGRATULATIONS"

>>4234800
Umineko fans in the west and east thought of ways to get around Shkannontrice, you'd figure combined it's at least 100 people, and nothing substantial came up. At this point, the only alternative is an asspull.

Kanon rescued Battler, and recreated the closed room, which requires him to be in the room. He did not exist in the room.

Erika states in red she is the 18th person. Battler and Beatrice state in red that including her, it's 17.

If the first wasn't damning enough to force Shkannon, the second seals the deal. Without Erika, there are only 16 people. Someone has to be samefagging, and the only person we have even the slightest shred of evidence for that is Shannon and Kanon.

>>4234852
and he needs to be the real beatrice because....

..Or the red truth is not something so simple. After all, Erika used it to rewrite the reality, and she was not the game master.

Changing the subject, why was Kyrie not stabbed by Leviathan & why is Kumasawa always staked by her?

>>4234868
Because all the narrative points to it.
Also Beatrice monologue in episode 6.

>>4234891
because kumasawa is always staked in the foot or something, so maybe a longer stake is needed

I for one enjoy R07's pride being it at least allows him to take his stories to unexpected areas.
People who can't stand a braggart are usually those who have nothing to brag about for themselves.
Surely you must have something better to be concerned about /jp/?
Surely...

>>4234902
I always wondered, if you get a stake in your knee or foot, would that kill you?

>>4234911
it says gouge the X and kill, not kill gouigng the X

>>4234906
>>unexpected areas.
Yeah DID meido sure is unexpected.
Not because it's innovative, rather because it's so stupid that no writer would think of using it.

>>4234911
It shouldn't.
Ep3 makes fun of this: "the stomach isn't a very lethal spot. Is it ok to kill in a different way and stick the stake in the corpse?"

>>4234923
and why has to be DID

>>4234886

She didn't rewrite reality, she presented a truth that was accepted by everyone, thus becoming A reality.
UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF KAKERA

>DID

damsel in distress?

>>4234935
Oh i just checked EP1 again, she had her face smashed in.

>>4234944

dissociative identity disorder

It'd make for a pretty neat concept if Ryukishi actually used it correctly.

>>UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF KAKERA

where is the link with a "Kakera" here, exactly?

>>4234968

You know, when Bernkastel remade the world according to the truth Erika found, she made the worst possible kakera for Natsuhi.

>>4234966
See the thing about that is that there's no way to use it correctly because it is not actually a real mental illness.

>There is a great deal of controversy surrounding the topic. There are many commonly disputed points about DID. These viewpoints critical of DID can be quite varied, with some taking the position that DID does not actually exist as a valid medical diagnosis, and others who think that DID may exist but is either always or usually an adverse side effect of therapy. DID diagnoses initially appeared to be almost entirely confined to the North American continent, but later surveys found cases on other continents but at significantly lower rates.

>>She didn't rewrite reality, she presented a truth that was accepted by everyone, thus becoming A reality.


yeah, it would have work very well in ep6... she had say it in blue.

>>4234966
and what if it isn't DID and it's real that Shannon has just pretending to be Kanon the whole time since she was a child without being DID

>>4234991

Bern was not GM and doesn't remade anything.
She found holes in Lamda's game and used them. It was totally different from Erika in ep6, who stated something totally different from Battler's plan in red. If it was in blue, then it would not be a problem.

Do you think Gohda was in on Kinzo death?

>>4235033
he wasn't it's obvious, he wasn't trusted and still thought if he worked hard enough, he'd be able to serve him personally
also the complaints when he isn't the one to do the important things

>>4235025

>Bern was not GM and doesn't remade anything.

This entire segment was about the "world" Bernkastel created by finding the "truth".
Of course she didn't literally remake the world.

>>4235049
His TIPS.

>>4235074

Gohda isn't someone who could keep it secret. He probably didn't know.

>>4235074
he is more trusted, but we know that all the 'eagle servants are spies' is just an act by Krauss and Natsuhi. they only told it to people they could trust and were loyal to the family, the eagle servants

>>4235088
Gohda is a man that loves to be appreciated, if Natsuhi confided in him about Kinzo death he wouldn't say word.
Genji on the other hand is only playing along because other than serving Kinzo he has nothing, Kinzo dies, he dies.

>>4235033

No way, if he knew he wouldn't say something like "I sometimes even forget the Master is still around".

>>4235121
I can't remember in exactly which episode, but he admits he's never met Kinzo face to face.

>>4235121
>>4235134
that naivete proves he's innoccent

>>4235116

I meant he would stupidly slip up somehow. Remember when they climbed the ladder to get into Kinzo's study? Who suggested using the taller ladder?
Either he knew and slipped up big time, or he didn't know and was trying to be a smartass.

Some anon told me to read 'And then there were none' to understand how Umineko is going to end.

Whilst I enjoyed the book, I hope he is not correct.

>>4235151
no, it just takes the setting and end, it would be too obvious

>>4234992

The problem with DID is its vagueness. However, there's been plenty of studies done on people who had MPD, which is considered a subset of DID. Ryukishi still messed up in implementing it.

>>4234998

You want me to believe that Shannon managed to pull off this charade for 3 years without anyone knowing? That's even more ridiculous than the idea that everyone but Battler knew of Shannon's condition.

>>4235156

But people do know.

People "knew" that Kinzo was dead, yet he appeared alive.

People might "know" that Shannon doesn't exist, yet she may exist.

>>4235145
The problem i have with the Shkanon theory is that scene couldn't of happend, if the theory is correct.

>>4235164

It's Shannon cosplaying as Kanon, not vice versa..or is it?

>>4235156
exactly, which would be reasonable with all the 'father' part. Shje asked Genji and Kumasawa for help because she thought that Jessica needed a boy and thus she created kanon, without being DID
I find it more plausible than lolconveninet DID that changes at will

>>4235175
kanon appeared later

>>4235177
Can't work with Knox.
Also doesn't fit the narrative.

Just as a reminder.

TWO UMBRELLAS

TWOOOOOOOOOOO

>>4235182
again, Knox isn't THAT rigid, just check with kind of things he allows in ep6. It's just relaxed
I fits if Shannon really imagines herself as Kanon in her mind without being DID

>>4235188
TWO HANDS

TWOOOOOOOOOO

>>4235188

Two umbrellas and zero detectives.

>>4235196

No one sane would carry an umbrella with each hand.

>>4235201
I was told there would be no math

>>4235201
Which means all Gohda did was suggest using a ladder, whilst Shannon was running around with dual umbrellas.

>>4235208

You should be able to solve this.

>>4235175
>>4235177
That would probably depend on your stance on the whole DID thing. It's implied that both are created, so the original could very well be a mix of both.

Also, Shannon isn't 'cosplaying' anyone. They've both been developed as separate characters. There are no hints suggesting that Kanon is just an alter ego, as alters have no actual thoughts of their own.

The only way this whole 16 people/DID thing will work is if you acknowledge that we're dealing with at least 2 separate people in one body. Don't make things harder for yourself, anon.

>>4235201

Battler is a detective.

>>4235225

But that implies either George or Jessica are gay

>>4235227
Not in EP5.

Witches exist and so does those magical battles.

prove me wrong

>>4235304
I can't, i can give you an alternate version of what happend though.

>>4235188

Elder sister is a george recently and it seems to be gay

>>4235304
If I do, game's over.
I'd rather leave you with the doubt.

>>4235225
I like making things harder, thx, if not, I wouldn't even bother with Umineko
They exist, but they're the same person pretending to be another one. Sayo created her maid Shannon shield ton protect herself from being adopted when she was six, then created Kanon to please Jessica, and everything we know about Kanon (nothing really out of magical scenes) could be Shannon projecting 'what would Kanon say', but I agree this could lead to DID.

>>4235344
continued->maybe she developed him unwillingly, started thinking too much about him and just turned into a real persona. Which leads to the same, but at least is a process of how he could've appeared
Also I think that Shannon appeared when Kinzo raped Sayo, she changed so much, so she created a good defense, a maid that doesn't mind being touched and that is strong (like in ep1, she doesn't even know about personal space)

>>4235361
I don't believe Kinzo raped anyone, Hideyoshi & Kinzo found common ground so i don't think he's that much of a monster, an old fashioned man with old values yes but not a monster.
If she really did create an alternate persona then it's for the benifit of Jessica.

>>4235376
>>filthy work.
>>stained soul

>>4235376
I do believe he raped Shannon, or maybe it was genji (as it's implid about Rosa), but you can be right, maybe she changed her personality, but I think it was to get along better with Jessica, Kanon was really just created for her

>>4234953
Rather than DID I would simply accept "Shannon is dead since the beginning of the game".

On the other hand, the only cosplay foreshadowing we have is that Jessica can certainly pretend being Marisa.

>>4233293

Because Beatrice is the one who made the game, obviously, so regardless of whether she's "supernatural" or not, there is still undoubtedly a game going on, and she has set the rules. By understanding the rules, Battler can use red too.

It doesn't need to be "Supernatural" from Dlanor's point of view, as long as she gets her tea.

>>4235378
That doesn't mean give an old a blowjob, he could just be feeling guilty for lying many times.

It's possible it could be simpler than you think.

If Kinzo was already dead at the start of the game, then his corpse would exist outside the "Closed space". Because of that, he could make a gold statement about it - it's an absolute, objective truth that counts for not only all games thus far, but all in the future.

>>4235380
>but I think it was to get along better with Jessica, Kanon was really just created for her

This is the part that bothers me about your theory. That's not a filthy job, that's a heartwarming one.
Kanon was created for a negative purpose. Not to make anyone feel better, but to either do something or store something that would most likely benefit someone else at his expense.

>>4235404
I have no idea, i can't say i even buy into this theory myself maybe he's just their to belittle Shannon because she's nice as pie & i find it hard for her personality to do a 180.

>>4235404
then the negative part was storing Sayo's negative feelings against her treatment, sorry I meant to post that, but Kanon's main reason to exist was Jessica, then Sayo stored there all her negative feelings so Shannon could benefit

I was thinking this.

We can assume anything that happens outside the game board and doesn't involve magic and witches is real, right?

If so, both Kanon and Shannon are acknowledged outside of the game board; Kanon at Jessica's school festival, by her classmates, and Shannon by Eva, when she tells her to stay away from George.

Of course it could be that Shannon was actually Kanon, and that is why Eva is so against them being together (and not only because she's a servant).

>>4235439
Eva shouldn't really know though, they keep it quite in secret, I'm prettu sure Natsuhi knows, just because she's in charge of the family conference arrangements and Kinzo's cover, but I don't think Krauss knows

>>4235439
Possible. Even if George was made family head, if he never had any kids due to being gay...well, she'd be a little upset.

I'm still trying to figure out if George actually speaks or regards Kanon at all during any of the episodes.

>>4235439
I don't think Ryu would use a gay person, if he didn't suddenly have an affair with a yaoi fangirl that would leave consequences. He actually used a lot of gore, but never based the story on raping. Not even Teppei ever did anything of sorts to Satoko, thought it was also implied at one point.
The most sexual moment of Higurashi is Takano&Tomitake interaction.

(Okay, I changed into PS2 sprites in Higurashi because of how gay Irie looked, but he doesn't count, okay)

>>4235445
>>4235448

Well, my point was that both of them are acknowledged as "existing".

>>4235457
have you watched Ookamikakushi?
that situation last ep was surprinsingly gay and arrousing

>>4235385
I got it: the true culprits are youkai

>>4235468

I think they classify as magic

>>4235464
ANTI-GAY FRUIT

>>4235464
Ookamikakushi has wolf parasites.
Higurashi had brain parasites.
What does Umineko have? Seagull parasites? Butterfly parasites?

>>4235620

THAT'S IT!

THE SEAGULLS ARE ALL IN THEIR BRAINS

There's a disproportionately low amount of scanned Umineko doujinshi.

Fuck, there's not even that much fanfic. The fapfiction folder was pretty small too.

Internet, I am disappointed.

Wasn't there some bullshit Gold Text in Ep6? I remember someone mentioning that.

>>4235653
THIS.

>>4235653

Well, yeah. I wish there was more Jessica stuff.

Have you looked here? http://g.e-hentai.org/?f_doujinshi=1&f_manga=1&f_artistcg=1&f_gamecg=1&f_western=1&a
mp;f_non-h=1&f_imageset=1&f_cosplay=1&f_asianporn=1&f_misc=1&f_search=umineko+no
+naku+koro+ni&f_apply=Apply+Filter&advsearch=

Anyone post the Tyler Durden did Umineko rant?

>>4235668
I said it, and I believe I posted it
Trolltrice tells moetrice that she used her own magic to make a rose petal appear and that she was impressed
trolltrice->suit and long hair
moetrice->beato ep6

I wish there was more genderbent Umineko stuff. I mean, girl-Kinzo is fucking terrifying, as are many other genderbent characters, but fuck, Battlerko and Mantrice would be awesome. They've got the exact same personalities regardless of gender. Moemantrice would still be moe, and Trollmantrice would just be even more of an asshole.

Episode 6 is impossible by nature.
There is no difficulty, no solutions, only confessions.

>>4235699
whiny but asshole bastard>whiny girl with her period

>>4235714
whiny bitch*
sorry I forgot that she's a girl with a reverse harem

>>4235699
Guy-Beato crawling around on the ground to find a cigarette butt in EP3 is very HNNNNGH.

And I like the idea of Girl-Battler being just as perverted as regular old Battler. Cape's still hot, too.

instead of genderbent, they should do more rokkenjima gakuen fics
I think it would even be better

>>4235724
Fucking badass.

>>4235732
I saw a thread where for about half an hour people just tried to agree on what uniforms would look like and what kind of socks the female characters would wear.

>>4235699
>>4235724
This thread is finally going in the right direction.

>>4235724
Is there a colored version of that?

>>4235724
Oh god. Moemantrice would still bake cookies for Sorcerer-Battlerko in a genderbent version of EP6, and she would still be a bitch about it.

It's the exact same scene, so why is it so awesome when it's genderbent?

>>4235745
That's stupid, I mean choosing the roles again and deciding on the story
done well could be really good

>>4235745
>what kind of socks the female characters would wear.
Black thigh highs with lacey tops or bust.

>>4235764
No. Striped thigh-highs.

Battlerko still smashes Mantrice's head into a table.

I guess she tells him to slice up his balls instead of cowtits? That's ridiculously awesome, holy shit.

Battlerko slapping Mantrice around is the best thing ever. Also, the end of EP2.

>>4235773
With lacey tops?
I just want the lacey tops.

>>4235779
Why don't we just gender bend all of the sprites, and edit the Witch Hunt Patch to change names and Pronouns and shit?

Best project ever.

>>4235790
Well, some situations need to be changed a bit, and it's kind of boring to just have pronouns/genitalia changed.

If we're going to do this, we should get completely new art. It's the only situation where a sprite patch would be acceptable, because imitating Ryu's style never ends well.

>>4235790
I prefer keeping all that energy if someone ever releases Umineko matsuri for PS3

>>4235790

I'm not sure I'd like female Hideyoshi

>>4234206

Really. why all of you think that he thinks he's a great mistery novel writer? He doesn't write Books, he write Visual novel, that are like Anime and manga. it's like you expect DEEP story from anime.

>>4235798
No, no it does not. You are right. We need to change the situations too, I guess I was trying to make it sound too simple.

Who shall do this glorious art?

>>4235805
Female Hideyoshi slaps Eva-Mantrice around.

Rudolfko is a slut, but an awesome slut. Back in the day she kept her reverse harem whipped. Though how does the Kyrie/Asumu baby swapping work?

>>4235809
if you do that at least make a normal sprite patch

>>4235806
To be fair, most books are on or below R07's writing level.

>>4235806

Exactly. Visual novels are written by people who love the medium and their story, not necessarily people who could actually write well on Pen and paper.

I think he is a fairly easy going guy who has a good ending (literally wise, not a Happy ending per se.) in mind, and realizes that his work isn't perfect.

Saying it was solvable was probably just a stretch.

>>4235809
I'm the one that's been posting most of the genderbent idea stuff here, and I'm an occasional drawfag. I'm more used to drawing inanimate objects like Lambredia or cape/hat stand sex scenes, but I think I could do some sprites.

>>4235814
the most coherent explanation I've heard is body abnormalities, but in the 80s there was no way to find out the baby's father before it's borned

>>4235824
This Lambredia?

I love you.

>>4235814
Rudolfko has sex with Kyrie and Asumu on the same night/has a threesome with them. Though it's highly unlikely, it's still possible for twins to be born in that situation, with both having a different father. It'd actually be a whole lot easier to swap them out that way than otherwise.

>>4235835
then this
>>4235826

>>4235826
Mankyrie: I thought I was the father, but it came out like ManAsumu

Something like that?

>>4235835
That works.

Suddenly, the part in EP1 where Rudolf assaults Battler's ear seems much more appealing.

>>4235824
>cape/hat stand sex scenes

oh god what

>>4235841
They're actually having sex in the dere portion.

>>4235837
that's the problem and would make the wj¡hole situation a lot awkward because if the first baby is Kyrie's it'd be normal to think the second is also hers, so Rudolf would ditch Asumu and so on

>>4235841
It's okay, they're just furniture.

>>4235832
Yeah, that Lambredia.

Also, Lampadelta.

Sakutaro would just be Sakura?

>>4235871
>>4235832

I hate, yet I like you so much at the same time, /jp/

>>4235874
Yeah. Sakura would be moe.

The fangirl in me finds no problem with male Siestas or paperweights.

>>4235881

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>>4235881
>>4235839
>>4235837
>>4235836
>>4235835
>>4235824
>>4235814
>>4235809
>>4235798
>>4235790
>>4235779
>>4235758
>>4235739
>>4235724
>>4235699

Fuckwin.

Meh. Male Natsuhi wouldn't be as moe.

>>4235921
But Rudolfko would!

>>4235921
Impotence moe.

>>4235921
He still talks to Teatrice. They're just motherfucking bros, instead of besties like they were in the original.

Kraussko is suddenly adorably stupid. IT'S RETARD MOE~

>>4235941
Also, Kraussko still punches goats to death, and Brosa is SO FUCKING HOT BLOODED FUCK STAB GOATS WITH A PEN ASUGHAL GAR ALL OVER EVERYTHING.

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>>4235941
>>4235945
God the bromance in genderflipped Umineko is the best thing ever.

Brosa is the best name ever.

And Maria would become Mario.

>>4235933
>>4235941
>>4235945
>>4235962

FUCK YES, DILFS IN ACTION.

>>4236006
How would the whole "eat you in ten years" thing work anyways? Battlerko is that desperate to taste a dick?

>>4235962
Until EP4.

WHY WON'T GIRLS SLEEP WITH ME! STUPID VIRGINS.

>>4233222
Battlerko would be into shota, and into hatesex too.

>>4236017
The question can be reversed for both genders though. Is Battler that desperate to taste a cunt?

>>4236034
No, no, if Battler is into big tits, then Battlerko would be into big, mature cocks.

"This is my cousin Jessie~, he's 18 years old. But you couldn't tell by looking at that package!"

>>4236041
>>4236041
Battler is either a whore or he's surprisingly innocent. so yes, he is.

>>4236051

>>4236051
Too slutty.

>>4236051
IT'S PAAFEKUTO!

>>4235779
So Battlerko asks for a dick sandwich?

Also, Girlronove should have glasses.

>>4236080
Hot dog, brah.

>>4236068
Battler? Too slutty?

No such thing

Somehow Mantrice is more moe than Beato. Picturing him getting all sad after Battlerko rejects his cooking is adorable.

And Mantrice's White Day would be HHHNNNNNGH. Somehow it's better to see asshole trolling than PMS trolling.

>>4236107
>PMS trolling
PMS trolling it's the same as asshole trolling though. It's just that men don't have a way to call it.

>>4236080
YES, YOUR MAJESTY is suddenly a lot sexier.

>>4236123
All of Umineko is, actually. You end up with more guys but it's worth it for Battlerko and Mantrice.

So is Battlerko as stacked as Beato or as flat as Maria? ...or as average as Rosa?

GAR DLANORSUKE WHERE?!

>>4236198
Well.. Dlanor IS Ronald backwards....
Why don't you reverse the name?

>>4236198
DIE THE DEATH is suddenly even more awesome. Dlanorsuke is more GAR than Brosa.

...and since the genderbending shouldn't be ridiculous, Knox is still a dude. Dlanorsuke never got to play catch or learn from his also-GAR father.;_;

>>4236221
>Dlanorsuke never got to play catch or learn from his also-GAR father
Stop opening the old wounds, Anon.

>>4236218
Because then he's his own father.

>>4236228
Back from the grave!

>>4236191
Assuming that Battler has Kinzo's massive dick, Battlerko should be stacked.

>>4236221
The real Ronald Knox should be a girl then. So should Dine.

And I want to see the goat maids.

So what would Ange look like? Battler?

>>4236264
Well, yeah. Ange is Battler after all.

>>4236250
The whole hoisery debate there was for Rokkenjima Gakuen might come up for this. So, does Battlerko get thigh highs or tights or what?

I think the answer is obvious.

>>4236278
Thigh highs with lacey tops.

>>4236264
Like Battler in the sense that he would have red hair and a penis, yes. Their eyes and faces don't really look too similar in the VN. Angebro probably has a more...depressed-looking face? His hair wouldn't be as ridiculously sexy as Battler's.

>>4236278
Genderbent Gakuen? Eh. I'd rather have regular Gakuen instead.

>>4236287
Red thigh highs with lacy tops?

There's lots of options for thigh highs. There's patterns and colours to choose from, as well as what grade zettai ryouiki Battlerko would have and whether they'd stay up with elastic or with a garter belt a la the paperweights.

Thigh highs are serious business.

>>4236294
Why not both? Calling a drawfag and a writerfag for a Umineko Gakuen double visual novel, yes.

>>4236287
NO ONE USES LACEY TOPS. STOP THAT SHIT.

>>4236287
NO ONE USES LACY TOPS. STOP THAT SHIT.

>>4236294
Nope, not genderbent gakuen. Genderbent Umineko and Rokkenjima Gakuen are completely separate things, it's just that there was a sock debate for Gakuen and the same thing could happen for this.

>>4236307
Genderbent Gakuen isn't really as interesting since it would be full of guys.

>>4236307
I think they'd be better as separate things, but eh, whatever. I'm willing to draw for whatever we end up choosing to genderbend.

>>4236315
...right, you've a point.

Sure is Animesuki in here.

>>4236344
Just like every Umineko thread.

>>4236355
>trollkastel.jpg

Manlambda and Manbern make me feel confused. Or, more specifically, their marshmallow baths do.

Do we need a new thread to continue the Battlerko appreciation?

Sure, new thread, why not.

>>4236431