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So is there any non shit version of Apocrypha, or is it all just trash?

I recently saw parts of someone on youtube reading through Hollow Ataraxia, and I could almost swear that Avenger sounded different in the version I read about 8 or 7 years ago. Used more slang and had a rougher speech pattern, lots of contraction going on with verb endings and such. Was there some sort of update that came out during the last 7 years that changed the translation here and there, or am I imagining things?

Found this in my Sion jav dvd case

idk but I find it so amusing nsfw len n ren is pretty popular on skeb

>>42264151
That saber looks tall

I want to fuck her

>>42266056
Do not fuck her

>>42266056

kuma in her pants

Someone is adding voices to the PC port. Neat. https://youtu.be/cR0yE3MkOA4

Wada is really going into the forbidden references territory.

>>42264477
The update that ported over the voice lines from the vita version polished the translation.
As someone who read both, the final version is way better, the original translation was horrible.
gamecreater was a hero but the translation really wasn't ready for release

We're almost there now.

How difficult is it to get to the Reverse Side/Avalon/Inner Sea? In Apocrypha it was stated Jeanne's chances of getting there weren't zero because she had lost her physical body, but even those chances were akin to the chances of slamming yourself into a wall and expecting to phase through it.
Plus Avalon the scabbard is stated to be the embodiment of Avalon the place, so it would make little sense if the scabbard was somehow more unreachable than the actual location if it's based on that concept.

>>42267442

>>42267366
>I have to wait until march to read the h-scene chapter
Not cool

>>42267525
Japanese magazines lie about which month they're for. It's actually February.

>>42266711

I honestly prefer mcjon translation than anisuck

where did the pixiv emojis go.... I need dem back

>Passionate devs perfecting ideas they had from the first game (Tsuki) without this obligation to cater to mainstream audience because the budgets weren't anywhere near crazy as they are today.

What went wrong with TM?

>>42267528
Ah right, this is supposed to be February's edition.
Nice, I guess I can forgive them for making a monthly manga chapter about what happens between the hug in the rain and the sex scene, considering there are only like 10 lines of dialogue between them in the VN.

Iskandar’s got good taste

Rider's VA's English is pretty good. I'm feeling pretty blessed be able to hear her voice on twitch. It would be super amazing if I could her Ayako Kawasumi's voice just the way people that love rider could hear their favourite character's.

Is this official art? Or fan art? Anyone have a better quality version of it?

>>42268459
That's from Riyo's redesign of typemoon.com on 2016 April Fool's.

>>42266056
What's her appeal?

>>42268917
She looks like Taiga.

>>42268924
No.

Cradle robbing fiend! Not even Alice is this degenerate, and she's been raised as a witch from the get go!

Do you think TM will ever have it's own major crossover like COIE (Crisis on Infinite Earths)? It would be really cool.

>>42270313
I hope not

USA USA USA

>>42270313
Yeah, it's called Melty Blood Type Lumina

>U Olga (the strongest being of Earth) is desperate/scared of something to want to merge with ORT (strongest being overall) to increase her power
>Daybit is awaking ORT to avoid something worse to happen

ORT is literally used as a lesser evil option bros.

>>42270313
That's FGO.

>>42268075
I can fix female Kirei

>>42267115
That makes sense. I remember that being the next big project back then, but people were happy to read HA at all because it was the newest big Nasuverse thing translated at the time.

Still, I have a confession to make. I'm not exactly sure why but I remember skipping over the finale after the big Avengers moment because, I think, it felt as if it was dragging on and I also could barely understand anything that was going on because the translation was so obscure at times, especially the more esoteric bits. And the game had a plot that was somewhat convoluted to begin with compared to Stay Night. Next time I'll get around to HA again, which I hope will be soon, I'll finally read it in full.

>>42269879
Do you blame her for getting the jump on her rivals?

>>42270874
dont you have a /vg/ general to po*post in?

>>42270808
Would be funny if Archetype was behind the whole thing. According to the MBAAN manga she has control over the universal quantum time-lock phenomenon which governs the Human Order.
MBBAAN manga foreshadowed all the latest FGO plotlines, now it just needs Archetype and Neko Arc.

>>42270905
Please tell me you didn't just hold the skip button through the final few scenes of the VN and simply dropped it before they started.

>>42270905
>skipping scenes in HA

>>42271540
best scene rin killing the air conditioner and shirou ripping the perfume pack

>>42271572
With her stench.

>>42271365
>Would be funny if Archetype was behind the whole thing.
We know she doesn't even exist outside one future of Tsukihime and is right now a guest character so irrelevant to the setting.

>According to the MBAAN manga she has control over the universal quantum time-lock phenomenon which governs the Human Order.
According to Lostroom booklet and the PV of Part 2, Humanity runs it, not the planet.
Tsukihime has a weakened Human Order, emptied, that the Church is trying to restore, as per Ciel explained due to CM curse. That's the only reason why she can do that.

>MBBAAN manga foreshadowed all the latest FGO plotlines, now it just needs Archetype and Neko Arc.
Most of the actual foreshadowing was in Lostroom, to be honest. Including Chaldean and Lostbelt Kings situations. And the Servants Olga picks for Simulations. Lostroom established the prunning system controlled by humanity. Content of that manga was already retconned (like 2015 date, it's 2016 now).

Anyway, both Holmes and Daybit already hint is Marisbilly/Chaldeas/Animusphere related. It has nothing to do with Arc, the prunning system either, but about "everything becoming hollowed", "the planets become hollow." U Olga's apostle's objective was to stop Chaldeas. Daybit's destroy it. Both come to the conclusion they need ORT to stop it before it's "too late." Probably due to the star/planet eater ORT has now.

>>42271783
Imagine eating Sakura out.

>>42271868
>that the Church is trying to restore
Need a line for that. I can see why you draw that conclusion given the churches MO of purging inhumans and it being a guideline for mankinds prosperity but I don't recall anything explicit about HO being emptied(Or really anything about CM, the curse or the DAA system) or the church trying to restore it. Humans are still presumably the prime species in Tsuki going by Roa but you could guess that perhaps the presence of Arc/TA represents it being potentially contested.
>That's the only reason why she can do that.
Where are you guys getting that Arc has anything to do with pruning or time locks.

Consider ORT a vampiric or predator for Types/planets, instead of an original Type, an eldrich primordial being. Let me expose some points here, all speculation so far:

>OORT Cloud was speculated to have been a planet once, which was destroyed. ORT is a being that assimilates and can take up the skills and abilities to what he did. What if he became Type (now) OORT cloud after eating its Type and destroying the planet
>If he's connected to Tezca (aside of Kuku), means ORT has a future sight, only for a certain future and saw that Gaia was calling. It's also obsessed with eating shit (which is something from his old mats, about flavor), and likes the taste of the Types. It's a Planet eater who likes that gourmet food and sees a future Gaia wails and other Types go to Earth to fulfill her request, it goes before them to wait, not to kill humans, but to target Types when they hover by his area
>Think about it: In notes, it should be already there, but there's no mention of fighting it or it attacking humans. Why? Why only it wiggles if Gaia does her death wail when knows she's dead also in Fate? Because has no interest unless is another planet to snack.
>Date of arrival changed to millions of years but also it stirred six millions of years ago: so was responsible to wipe out the dinos and did something on the date humans became sapient and separate from humanity...almost ensuring the Gaia killers are locked on.
>Now awake it may attack Chaldeas before finishing off Earth, maybe for self defense and maybe because it's hungry

>>42272113
>HO being emptied(Or really anything about CM, the curse or the DAA system)
This was during Roa's ritual when the CM stuff was brought up, it affected the human order.

>>42271365
>Would be funny
No, it would be retarded. FGO is bad enough as is and it would become an absolute meme if the literal Tsukihime(From that universe the author has established as separate) showed up one minute until midnight when she has zero established relation to the main plot after 7 years. MBBAN is great and all but it is just a unique crossover and you shouldn't expect the characters to just randomly get involved in the main plot of FGO and Extra Record. Next thing will be Olga, Sion and Lev in Extra Record copium.

>>42271365
Would be funny if Archetype shows up, Marisbilly shoots her behind her back and kills her for good with a special gun then he pulls his face off revealing he's Nasu and tells Mashu and Guda to wait for him to finish Mahoyo 2.

>>42268924

I thought I was the only one https://twitter.com/shiki_to_akiha/status/1600158362955829248?s=20&t=UoHvptmMeRGMDN_gXLZmjg

>>42272179
I mean the curse clearly HAD to weaken Alaya/Human Order but I can't recall even a single line about it beyond the scene where Shiki looks intro Vlov and sees the CM's words or specifically "emptying" or the Church acting to restore it. I can't find what you're talking about. Is it during Noel's flashback or when Shiki is dreaming of Elesia? I just went through the scene with Ciel in her mindscape being saved by Shiki. Holy Kino that was great.

>>42271499
I don't remember, sorry. I think I only "skipped" the part with Bazett and Avenger in the black grail, but it was more like skimming through than literally just holding skip until the credits. I don't remember why I did it, it's a mystery even to me what put me in that mindset 7 years ago, but like I said, I think it had to do with my frustration of not understanding what was going on and why at all, and it felt as if the game thought it already gave me all the answers. It's probably my greatest shame as a TM fan, I read through the entirety of Fate just before starting HA without skipping a single thing.

>>42271540
I did everything besides the finale the proper way, I swear.

>>42272455
>I think I only "skipped" the part with Bazett and Avenger in the black grail
jesus, that is the ONE scene where you shouldn't have done that

>>42272455
And for the record, I don't think I used 4chan back then (I think it was the summer of 2014, or at max 2015 that I read HA, now that I thought about it a bit harder), or anything resembling a fan-made wiki. So I had no one to ask for clarification.

>>42272275
Kek.

>>42272365
I remember it had a huge red moon in the background. I need to replay but the Church is trying to empower the Human Order again.
Nip twt theory at the time reposted old melty archetype saying that what rules reality is the planet's will or common sense vs fgo olga saying this phrase but what rules it is the human order will or common sense.

>>42272113
>Where are you guys getting that Arc has anything to do with pruning or time locks
Archetype manifesting as the Will of the World talks about this during her conversation with Sion in MBBAAN. She said that the world is at the mercy of the flexible Spiritrons (the quantum time locks are also known as the Spiritron Record Anchor Band), and it doesn't abide by the Human Order (which makes sense since it governs Human Order). She also implied that as the will of the world she can access this system to fix the world (makes sense as "the world" itself performs the pruning automatically) but it can have consequences and thus she doesn't just go and do it randomly

>>42271868
>We know she doesn't even exist outside one future of Tsukihime
She is Arcueid's main body, sleeping on the inner sea of the planet. She is also outside the time axis. Of course she exists in all timelines.
>According to Lostroom booklet and the PV of Part 2, Humanity runs it, not the planet
It's a universal function of the world and humanity just took over it in Fate worlds.
>as per Ciel explained due to CM curse
The funny thing about this is that the entire reason the Order is weak is because CM cursed humanity. Humanity just isn't top dog in worlds where Arc/CM is active. Arc is explicitly referred to as the firmament that seals off the cosmos and it's heavily hinted to make human order weaker lol just by her mere existence.

Got the leaked version of Red Garden. Imoutobros…we won.

Gay https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/104254954

Awesome to see art from a professional anime character designer. https://twitter.com/yamada_uk/status/1610913078782353415?s=46&t=aO03JbqUF394hHlU_ABNhQ

>Arcuirf turned to Shiki and said...
>"I am the Tsukihime."

https://twitter.com/pan_2950/status/1610681381914296330?s=46&t=CfLoCDYZWIVZPSCAg2NrOA

>>42275229
>>42275187
Sounds like interpretations for Arc wank rather than anything concrete.
>Arc's main body sleeping outside the time axis and existing in all timelines.
Archetype Earth is just Arcs true name and her CM dominant persona, which shouldn't even be possible in some timelines, is just her intended form & the possible future shadow of Arcueid. I see no reason to think she exists in all worlds as some overgod or that there is only one innersea across the multiverse which is described as just a dream the planet is having anyway.

>>42277647
>Sounds like interpretations for Arc wank rather than anything concrete
Not much of an interpretation when we know for a fact Arc's full power Event Storage can strip away the entire texture of humanity.
>which shouldn't even be possible in some timelines
There is no reason to doubt old lore from MBAA doesn't carry over to Remake especially when Roa's ending in Lumina already shows Archetype in it. If she wasn't possible or if it contradicted new lore then Nasu could have easily altered that particular scenario of Roa, instead he chose to kept it as it is.
>one innersea across the multiverse
There is probably one inner sea per compiled event. Zelretch's Second Magic should govern every type of parallel world aside from the Tsukihime/Fate split, since Zelretch majorly differs between those two worlds.

>>42277730
Basically parallel worlds are part of a Compiled Event, then the Compiled Events themselves are part of the world. Archetype is the Will of the World.

>>42277730
Something in FGO stripped the planets texture too though probably in a completely different way. Stripping away the texture isn't the same as saying she can control the pruning phenomenon or whatever.
>There is no reason to doubt old lore from MBAA
No one said to. But showing up in MB isn't the same as saying she's just chilling off screen in Tsuki no Sango, KnK, all Fate worlds, etc. In fact Fate is kind of weird if she was(Ignoring that CM, which she essentially is, shouldn't be active whatsoever) since you have characters trying to merge with the brain or become it.

>>42267530
https://www.reddit.com/r/typemoon/comments/103bvwt/demonstration_of_mahoutsukai_no_yoru_pc_voice_port/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb

It's not official tl, he is using mcjon tl

Mahoyo official sucks dirty dog ass

>>42278145
Still not reading HollowTroon's "TL"

>>42278179
you can't anyways since it is non-existent.

I like Mahoyo

>he still needs TLs

Just finished the original Ciel route, is it worth it to see the remake routes while the original is fresh in my mind, or should I read the far side routes first?

>>42278393
Redman would never say that

>>42278440
Read far side first.

>Shirou is canonically commando throughout the entire VN
Based.

Is reading Tsukihime enough, or should I also be reading Plus-Disc, Kagetsu Tohya, and Melty Blood? How is Tsukihime as a stand-alone?

>>42278725
Enough for what?

>>42278740
Enough for a complete experience? Was the VN written to be a self-contained story or is everything that came after it needed to fully understand and appreciate the events of Tsukihime?

>>42278760
Yes. You don't need anything other than the VNs.

>>42278827
I see, thanks. How does the supplemental material compare? Is it all worth reading?

>>42278725
Plus-Disc is very short and leads up to Kagetsu Tohya. Both of which I'd say are pretty important if you want the "complete" experience. Melty Blood is debatable, it ties into Tsukihime but it's practically its own thing.

>>42278760
The vn alone is a complete experience but the works you listed supplement it for sure, and they're also good on their own terms so you should try them anyway.
As far as helping you understand and appreciate the original game goes, Kagetsu Tohya is especially good out of the things you listed. If you're going to play that then you should play plus-disc first which is short as fuck anyway.
'Tale' also gives some depth to Arc and Shiki's relationship and gives TA backstory.
If you really want to be autistic and do more or less everything after finishing Tsukihime then this is all the important stuff (written by Nasu so no manga etc) in the order it was released:
Tsukihime Plus disc + > Kagetsu Tohya > talk (in tsukihime tokuhon plus period) > Melty story > tale (in tsukihime tokuhon plus period) > Melty re act arcade > Melty act cadenza arcade > prelude (character material) > Melty Actress Again arcade

>>42278875
>>42278884
Thanks! I'll read Tsukihime and see how I feel afterwards.

>>42275187
All that is her limited understanding since she belongs to Tsukihime and literally gets surprised by existences like King Hassan remember?
Nothing Archertype claims apply to Fate. Stop pushing her word as universal.

>>42275229
No. Its a function of the HUMAN ORDER. Read what FATE SETTING HAS AS FOUNDATION.
This is published by real official mats which trumps schewed claims by a crossover character in a gag manga.

>>42277749
Nipe she does not exist in Fate. In het profile. The strongest entity of earth is U Olga.

>>42279386
>she does not exist in Fate
Have you got a quote?

>>42277647
>Sounds like interpretations for Arc wank rather than anything concrete.
That's what it is.

>>42275187
>Archetype manifesting as the Will of the World talks about this during her conversation with Sion in MBBAAN. She said that the world is at the mercy of the flexible Spiritrons (the quantum time locks are also known as the Spiritron Record Anchor Band), and it doesn't abide by the Human Order (which makes sense since it governs Human Order).
So that's how it works in Tsukihime, cool, in Fate, a world and universe and setting ditacted by the acknowledgment of Human History (Nasu's blog) and ran by the Human Order and Humanity's Will and Common Sense (Olga, Goetia, Nasu as source) run in a different way. You're assuming that Archetype, who had never even known Excalibur or Artoria Avalon, all created in the fucking soul of the planet, has authority or knowledge outside her fucking turf. She's a guest character who doesn't exist in Fate. If she were to exist, it would be like the third ascension, who isn't Archetype, just a princess for the True Ancestors.

>She also implied that as the will of the world she can access this system to fix the world (makes sense as "the world" itself performs the pruning automatically) but it can have consequences and thus she doesn't just go and do it randomly
See above. And what the anon says, you're inferring from whatever she believes can do and has show she can't do. All she did is that she went to collect Sion's soul and push it back, interestingly that she had to do it like this and not as normal Arcueid while loli Olga did the same "feat."

>>42279374
>Its a function of the HUMAN ORDER.
Hmm, no, it's a function of "the world". Humanity just has purview over it in Fate worldlines.
>This is published by real official mats
>奈須きのこの監修
The manga is also getting re-released in online format now as well. Cry more.
https://twitter.com/tmcomicA/status/1610833598474502147

>>42279487
Not him, but Koha Ace. And check her fucking FGO profile. She's literally called a guest character from the "world of Tsukihime."

If were to be a version of Arc in Fate, it'll be not the Archetype or Arcueid, but a princess of the true ancestors like the third ascension. She's the incarnation of CM which is dead for good in Fate, anon.

>>42279499
>Humanity just has purview over it in Fate worldlines.
And you have an actual source and not your headcanon.
And no, Shitcuied isn't a source. Since she's so shit she didn't know what Excalibur was.

>>42279498
>has authority or knowledge outside her fucking turf
She literally hijacks the technology of the Atlas Academy of the Extra verse, which is a different collection of worlds, and certainly not a Tsukihime world.
Who said anything about having knowledge? But her authority shouldn't be in question.
>you're inferring from whatever she believes can do and has show she can't do
I see no reason to doubt her words. Are you saying she is bragging?

>>42279499
A lot of gag manga reruns. What about it?

>>42279511
I'm pretty sure the 3rd ascension is just Arc had she not drank Roa's blood. Also I don't think it's been said that CM is dead for good. I replied because I can't remember it being explicitly stated that Arc isn't born in Fate worlds.

>>42279534
>And you have an actual source and not your headcanon
Parallel worlds as a system has been around for a very long long time (even back when Sefar attacked, and Sefar attacking the Moon Cell destroyed 80% of Earth's alternate possibilities. But humans aren't aware of the system, not until Zelretch proved that it is an actual thing and coined the concept, putting it to use for humanity's sakes. This is when human elements began to influence it, and Alaya having a saying in its operation.
>Since she's so shit she didn't know what Excalibur was
Who cares? Why would the Alter Ego of Earth concern herself with Excalibur?

>>42279550
>She literally hijacks the technology of the Atlas Academy of the Extra verse
As did loli Olga. She also literally walked inside Tsukihime world and plucked Sion to shove her inside Siamlin's effortlessly, or did you forget? While Arc couldn't do that, it had to be as full powered Archetype.

>I see no reason to doubt her words. Are you saying she is bragging?
I'm saying she is ignorant and has no fucking clue how things works in Fate and she has never tried. You're just assuming Goetia, Animuspheres AND Nasu know less than her in the setting. Like how she didn't fucking know about the Holy Sword or Artoria Avalon who ARE in the fucking soul of the planet where she should be, hmm. How curious you don't mention how limited her knowledge is.

>>42279555
>奈須きのこの監修
Gag manga doesn't prove it's irrelevant, considering Neko Arc is an important plot element. Yes, you heard that right, jokes are unironically part of the lore.

>>42279585
>Parallel worlds as a system has been around for a very long long time (even back when Sefar attacked, and Sefar attacking the Moon Cell destroyed 80% of Earth's alternate possibilities. But humans aren't aware of the system, not until Zelretch proved that it is an actual thing and coined the concept, putting it to use for humanity's sakes. This is when human elements began to influence it, and Alaya having a saying in its operation.
And is run by the human order. Unconscious system run for the benefit of humanity in Fate.
A setting that's based on acknowledgement of human history (not "b-but Arc" Arc is an irrelevant coombait from a crossover).

>Who cares? Why would the Alter Ego of Earth concern herself with Excalibur?
Because is the strongest weapon on Earth? Why are you fucking covering up her ignorance she can't even tell her own shit, you fucking idiot?

>>42279589
*Siamlin's copy

>>42279579
Arc probably doesn't exist in Fate worlds because CM doesn't exist. You can't have one without the other.

>>42279589
>While Arc couldn't do that
I fail to see the problem. Normal Arc doesn't have the authority to do a lot of things.
>I'm saying she is ignorant and has no fucking clue how things works in Fate
Why would Archetype not know her own abilities? Talk about grasping at straws. She doesn't need to know about Excalibur, that knowledge is pretty useless but Archetype as the world itself should know about it even if normal Arc doesn't.

>>42279592
Supervised isn't written.
Moonlight Lostroom was WRITTEN by Nasu. Including the mats that specifically say the Prunning System is run by the human order. Not the world.

You're again headcanoning uhhh purview or some shit NEVER actually stated by Nasu, trying to pretend Arc is relevant in Fate when clearly Olga is going to be the Brain of the Planet. That's literally why Nasu contrasted how Arc needed to go full Archetype to do something fucking Olga did without that.

>>42279630
>Why would Archetype not know her own abilities?
Because she's literally assuming things work the same when she's not on her universe you fucking idiot. That's a common mistake for her.

>he doesn't need to know about Excalibur, that knowledge is pretty useless but Archetype as the world itself should know about it even if normal Arc doesn't.
She's only the world of Tsukihime, not Fate.

>>42279630
Nasu explicitely says Archetype Earth doesn't exist in the world of Fate. Olga is definitely set up to be Archetype Earth in Fate.

>>42279670
Doubt. Sialim instantly recognized Archetype as the will of the world despite being a Fate character. FGO is a simulation anyway so it's unlikely to be of any consequence to the larger TM world after the story is done.

>>42279670
Source?

>>42279592
Anon what he's saying is that Archetype made that claim to show how it works from her POV, but you need to remember she's not from Fate, and in Fate, what controls that system is the Human order. She has no more way to know this than she knows the existence of Artoria Avalon despite being part of the soul of the planet she is from, you know?
That manga is simply showing hints that Olga can do the same as Archetype Earth does, not vanilla Arc, but Archetype Earth. This is what's meaningful. It's not about the Archetype at all but about Olga Marie.

You need to remember that earth does not have a capacity to generate types. So a world centered on DAA and CM bullshit creates artificial clones and continuation of CM as potential: Altrouge or Arc, that's a world where the title of Ultimate One exists. But not such a thing in Fate, however there are other artificially generated beings but not by vampires, but defined by mages and HS, since the Human order is what operates. Olga is one of them for sure.

>>42279731
Because is a crossover anon. That's also why Lev knew Rani. You also forgot there's no fucking Arc in KnK as stated by Nasu in old FAQ?

>FGO is a simulation
You idiot.

>>42279737
Arc's profile, Kenkekichi saying why she was cut from Koha Ace (there's no Arc in Fate).

>>42279731
oh you're one of those fans.
Nasu considers FGO the only relevant work where he can go wild, while everyone else is low powerlevel.

Sion literally stated Olga is the most powerful being of Earth (ORT is a visitor from Space). So if Arc is part of Fate, she's lower than the President.

touko pantyhose

I can fix her

I'm asking purely for research purposes, but does Nrvnqsr x Roa art/content exist?

>>42279737
Guda Guda writer wanted to include a joke Servant Berserker but had to can the idea because Fate has no Arcueid, and we found out this divide of no DAA in Fate first from here. So we can trust him.
She's also called a crossover/guest character for Extra and FGO (think the Servants in Lumina).
She's also not in KnK. Nasu once said that Touko's quest wouldn't make sense in a world with Arc. And KnK is aligned to Fate.

>>42279756
>Lev knew Rani
He didn't. He just knew she was from Atlas.

>>42279737
You know she's literally alive and existing due to CM and CM is perma death in fate right?

>>42279670
>Olga is definitely set up to be Archetype Earth in Fate.
Now this is a spicy theory.

>>42279858
Point is Lev working with Rani was a crossover manga stated like that. You're fucking trying to take a crossover seriously when Nasu wrote an event (the movie one) saying crossovers nature is not to take the meetings there seriously because impossible things happen then.
You're not wondering why Sialim is also older than Sion and she should be in Fate proper (since Sion age changed in Adventures) too? Christ.

And as the anon says>>42279803

>>42279872
>CM is perma death in fate
Source?

>>42279887
She's not the only one- Goetia too, but in his case was a brand new better Earth. Forgetting Kiara for a moment (who also aimed for the Brain but was to be in a snuff film with herself as star/or Sodom who did nothing with her powerflex of planetary saint graph) - I'm looking up some TM nips lorefags theorists about Olga created partly as a Solomon's clone or as a model using him because of the designs. That's a parallel of Arc being a clone of CM.
Nasu prepared two timelines, one for Tsukihime he did not publish to my knowledge and one for Fate - which began with Solomon. So I'm wondering if Tsukihime one will begin with CM to solidify my thoughts.

>>42279898
Holy shit dude. Did you read anything? One of the biggest differences is that CM is fucking dead for good in Fate. Unlike Tsukihime. That's why Blackmore killed himself.

>>42279931
Goetia didn't achieve his goal. Better is also subjective, many won't agree removing the concept of death for a species is a good idea.

>>42279992
Irrelevant to the point I was saying, I meant he is the Altrouge figure here. Because he had that kind of goal and almost achieved it. So was the other 'candidate'.

Fate basis is human history, focuses on mages and Servants. Human Order. The basis of Tsukihime is different, so I can't expect the process of one world be the same as the other world.

>>42279947
I get that he's not around but I didn't think you could 'kill' ultimate ones.

>>42279992
>>42280008
Goetia is also called the supreme being on earth in his mats. You're onto something. I think I understand what you're saying. World of Tsukihime and World of Fate have opposite thematic values so naturally they would diverge.
Mooncell is Type Moon in Extra, so it's not as if these are universally shared.

>>42280014
Nasu literally stated he's dead for good as a difference of divergence with Fate. Furthermore, he's not even Type Moon in all timelines. As anon pointed, Mooncell is Type Moon in Extra worlds. And is far older than CM.

>>42280008
It doesn't work that way. Both Awakened Arc and Altrouge are already Ultimate Ones on paper because they both "make up the celestial". It's just neither has the title because there are "Two" and not "One". But that doesn't take away from their power and authority, they already have those things.

imagine caring about this stupid sounding lore that Nasu farts out. Can't be me.

>>42280053
>Both Awakened Arc and Altrouge are already Ultimate Ones on paper because they both "make up the celestial".
It only says they are planetary/celestial body existences.

>But that doesn't take away from their power and authority, they already have those things.
We don't know that. have you seen Altrouge after her confrontation and loss? No?

>>42280032
Are you talking about this?
>根本で言えば，“朱い月”が現役かそうでないかの違いでしかないんですが。

>>42280053
The Planet is not relevant to Fate. Humanity is.

This is the President of the Earth and the next Type-Earth.
Say something nice about her.

>>42280128
I told you retards to stop posting this ugly fucking clown. Godamnit, it makes me sick to look at this garbage.

>>42280139
cringe post

While I do think Arcwanking anon is in fact being loose with their headcanon, the other fags who joined the power level faggot shit on the other side trying to diminish Arc(in favor of clownga even lol) are equally if not more foolish. Also, while Back Alley Nightmare is a crossover you should still consider it more important than a fucking 'gag manga'. Come on, that just makes you seem like an illiterate.

All that said, I do think original anon being certain Arc is present everywhere is extremely dubious especially when her Third Ascension is herself from Tsuki taking on a what-if revolving around her interaction with Roa. Anon who says Olga will be a 1:! Archetype is also dubious atm. I do think she'll be some kind of attempted avatar for Chaldeas though... how that rolls into low powerlevels is ??? and frankly uninteresting. Just stick to the facts.

Which basically begin and end at CM isn't active in Fate. The naive princess of the TA doesn't exist in Fate. Arc is basically CM. The only way you can weasel out of this imo is if the Koha-Ace statement is in the same vein as "DAA don't exist, but the individual might" and somehow TA exist without the CM factor which is integral to their species creation and she somehow is relieved of her position as Brain in FGO going by her lines. A lot of if's imo for a guest character who isn't remotely important to the setting so why are we talking about her again?

>>42280128
She'll probably get a better tailor.

>>42280234
>While I do think Arcwanking anon is in fact being loose with their headcanon, the other fags who joined the power level faggot shit on the other side trying to diminish Arc(in favor of clownga even lol) are equally if not more foolish.
I'm not being foolish even if clownga design sucks. My point is that manga literally had Arc go full Archetype to make her do something loli Olga did without any power-up. And a reminder that Olga is Nasu's new favored waifu.
Arc herself isn't a natural type, but a collab project with CM, in a setting which makes emphasis to vampires and what not. This wouldn't float in a setting where humanity's will, history and wank is number one. Where mages and Servants ARE the World main protagonists. Arc is basically incompatible with this. That Nasu insists the setting are apart is very relevant.

>>42280234
Olga seems to be against Chaldeas though. She tried to shut it down.

>>42280293
>My point is that manga literally had Arc go full Archetype to make her do something loli Olga did without any power-up.
What a stupid reasoning...
>Arc herself isn't a natural type, but a collab project with CM
Archetype is directly compared to CM, she is not lesser than types

>>42280293
You're doing the same misrepresentative headcanon shit. None of this has anything to do with power levels. Arc didn't "have to go full Archetype Earth" to do anything. She was simply said to be disturbed by Loliolga(who I don't know why you think her form here represents her power?) and manifested since she was making the simulations more than simulations. "Normal Arc" and "AE" are essentially the same anyway. It's a matter of authority and just how she acts. It's why she changed her decision and just returned Sion to the pool when she changed her demeanor. And Arc is as natural as it gets for Earth at least. It's true it is a collab project but she's an elemental from a species hand fashioned by the planet whose powers all revolve around nature manipulation and planetary backup and its systems. As far as we know, there is no Ultimate One of Earth outside of Tsukihime since her profile speaks of it from the perspective of "In the world of Tsukihime".
>New favored waifu
Uh, nice headcanon but even if that's true, what does that have to do with anything?

>>42280256
>If it wasn't for Not-Shirou, she would have appeared completely naked in front of everyone in the climax of LB5

>>42280502
Shirou was the one that came up with that outfit??? God damn, fuck off Nasu. Leave Shirou alone. Stop shitting on him in FGO

>>42278725
Kagetsu Tohya is optional because it's an FD but it's very good. Og Melty Blood is also pretty worth reading.

>>42280139
>t.

Did Arc get a better ending in this new remake thing?
She's the main heroine after all.

>>42280966
don't ask questions you know the answer to.

>>42280128
What happened to simple yet effective designs? Thankfully the Mahoyo crew seems to be mostly in this older style, but even Tsuki suffers from it.

>>42281038
most gacha niggers look at the characters on a 5x3 inch screen so they have to cram as much color and details into the design as possible to make them actually recognizable.

>>42280982
It can't be helped.

>>42281038
Idk, but as some who is late getting into TM stuff it's generally baffling to see F/SN and FGO character design philosophy clash so much

I think Castoria looks nice

>>42281038
>Tsuki suffers from it
Really?

>>42281172
don't pay attention to the hipsters

>>42281172
In some places like this, yeah. It's not everywhere though thankfully.

>>42280906
>>42280139
I can't believe they took her, slapped an orange peel on her pussy and called it a day.
>>42280502
Did you just use your bento leftovers?

>>42281288
I think we can give the literal unicorn melded living weapon a pass.

>>42280886
Read it all including new melty which is pretty fun anyway.

kek

>>42264429
>non shit version of Apocrypha
You mean if the LN is decent?

>>42266808
At least they referenced the Deen anime.

This cheeky brat

>>42282317

>page 10
it's over

>>42283497
You should've let it die.

I'm sorry arc butt I got Shieru preggo...

>>42284218
Can she get pregnant with her weird body that’s rejected by the world?

My gay wives…

>>42282363
Cripes!

Mash doesn’t mind fighting for a date with Shiki lmao

Alice is real and she's my friend

>>42286300
She is my wife so it's for me to decide if she can be friends with weirdos like you
(she can not)

>>42285452
No wonder Guda replaced her with a clown.

When does https://youtu.be/c2i1KHwr7mI play during Mahoyo?
I could swear I never listened to it

Aoko said killing Alice would have been really bad because the Flat Snark would have began spilling out into the real world.
How bad would it have been had something like that actually happened?

>>42286384
It definitely plays. I forgot when though. maybe during an Alice scene.

>>42286384
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fQZjQIhs6k
The cm.

>>42285452

>mash is in the melty manga

>I literally thought it was ciel twin sister

>>42285452
But your image says the opposite.

BREAKING NEWS
Drawing style in anime is simplified and all anime girls kinda look the same!
crazy right

Aren't you tired of yui faces? Damn

ya get dem french bread?

>>42280410
>Archetype is directly compared to CM, she is not lesser than types
Nobody said she's lesser, but the point is that earth cannot generate a type naturally.

>>42280459
They are not essentially the same when AE is using her full authority. Olga was not just in a simulation. She stalked Sion in Tsukihime World and plucked her soul and fused it in the simulation Siamlin made.
The fucking point I'm trying to make is that the mangaka had AE pull a feat like that but don't lose the sight that Olga did it first.

>Uh, nice headcanon but even if that's true, what does that have to do with anything?
He literally said so in 2016 that Olga's the perfect woman in his eyes. You know how much he wanks and shills his favorites.

>Mooncell in Extra shows that Crimsom Moon is not always Type Moon
>Silicon-chan in Tsuki no Sango shows humans can create the brains for celestial bodies
>crossover manga shows loli Olga capable of feats of Archetype Earth (and how her entire kit is a foreshadowing for Olga herself)
>Nasu uses the "supreme being" of Earth for Goetia and Olga
>Reuses diminished/gimped heroine blueprint with Olga (she's barely 3% of her power)

You're pretty much dumb if you don't see her becoming Type Earth.

>>42287004
Oh not only Olga is 3% of her power, but she's killed and 'resets' back as nothing.

I honestly have no idea what the fuck you guys are talking about, I checked out of Fate after Hollow Ataraxia.

>>42286914
>The fucking point I'm trying to make is that the mangaka had AE pull a feat like that but don't lose the sight that Olga did it first
You realize this is not a powerlevel feat right? It's not even much of an authority feat.

Ritsuka is so cute

>>42287035
Same. This happens every single time and I'm still lost.

>>42287004
Maybe in the future. There is no Ultimate One in Fate worlds as of now. The concept still exists however, since Kotomine talked about it, it's just not something that applies to Earth yet.

Awful thread

>>42287035
Most of this shit comes from the gacha which has an awful plot with awful characters. It's the most anti-Nasu thing I can think of since his stories are defined by good characters. You should check out the first two Extra games and Zero though, they're worth experiencing even if Zero is not canon.

>>42287079
Siamlin said it was true magic.

>>42287035
Same, expect for the recent version of Mahoyo which was fun and is in no way as retarded as the gatcha autistic lore posts I’m looking at here.

>>42287470
So is Kojiro's Tsubame Gaeshi.

>>42287470
So is Soujurou’a ability to kill anything with two hits.

>>42287489
Yeah wish more people posted about Mahoyo on here.

I kek every time

>It's the most anti-Nasu thing I can think of

>>42264151
Rin and her wife

>>42285452
Mashu would be improved if she was outside of FGO.

>>42288148
>Not to mention the whole edginess, with barely any of Okita's fluffy personality showing up.

That anon probably consider himself a true Okita fan while saying thing like this

>>42286658
>>42288363
Agreed. Shiki needs another glasses girl in his harem.

>>42288321
name like 5 good character traits about Guda(k)o right now

>>42288450
It's not about Guda, it's about calling "Anti-Nasu" a work made by Nasu himself.
Psychotic behaviour.

>>42288511
>pivoting and moving the goalpost
>defending gachashit
nigger behavior

>>42288526
Read the post slowly this time and stop using buzzwords you clearly don't understand.

>>42286404
>Flat Snark
As far as chuuni naming conventions go this one is rather silly, considering its literal meaning.

>>42281849
I don't get it

>>42288530
Are you seriously expecting well-spoken, well articulated, reasonable replies in modern TM threads?

>>42288558
where did all the good /tmg/ poster go...?

>>42288577
Away.

>>42288534
Can someone good at maths tell me if Nasu's understanding of a snark i graph theory is correct?

>>42288657
in*

>Shiki/SHIKI/「」
>Shiki/SHIKI
>Shirou/Archer
>Shirou/Angra
>Aoko/Counterforce red Aoko
Nasu must be stopped

>>42288720
>Aoko/Counterforce red Aoko
huh?

>>42288729
>implications of an alternate Aoko being created after the cats incident in her childhood
>female voice for the red shadow
>confusing POV and 1st person narration during red shadow scenes
>Nasu is a hack
It writes itself

>>42288750
GAH

>>42288577
we're on /fgog/

>>42288812
Even worse.

>>42288577
we're on /vn/

>>42288863
/vn/ is even worse than the gacha threads nowadays.

>>42288577
We’re on /melty/

>>42286914
None of this manga has anything to do with power levels you mongoloid and Arc is the same person regardless of how much of her authority she currently wields.

You've been entirely disingenuous with trying to imply Arc's presence was to somehow cater to power level queers or show that she "had to" take on that form. Imagine being a retard trying to wank their waifu through the context of her being treated as some kind of nuisance who disturbed someone elses sleep.

>>42288720
Seems alright, dunno.
What bothers you about it, too many twisted in the head characters?

>>42288825
They're bored since they got completely shit on with their Road to Half of Flop#7.

>>42289086
It's rather disturbing that the moment when some setting mechanics get more definition, power level talkers come out from some woodwork and start stirring up sand in the water so to speak.
I mean, sure it can be more interesting than not on more than one occasion, and at least they talk lore, but sometimes they go into some tasteless directions.

>>42288750
Good post

>>42288888
Checked.

What did she mean by this?

>>42288148
>tfw reading this post

>>42289622
Who knows.

>>42288750
huh, I always thought of the red shadow as a general guardian for the root and not a CG. Need some Aoko CG art then if that's the case.

>>42289651
>Ayaka referenced literally everywhere
>Prototype is never coming out
I wonder why

>>42289879
Why?

>>42289879
She's free real estate for writers precisely because prototype is never happening.

>>42290812

>>42290812
>>42290823
Why is my cat so lewd?

>>42291032
>my
our

>>42291238
Why is our cat so lewd?

>>42291297
Shiki is a lewd beast.

>>42291397
How long until most of 4chan can no longer recognize Akiha?

>>42291742
That was probably true roughly 10 years ago.

>>42291748
How can people no longer recognize the no sex girl from the titular funny meme cat fighting game???

>>42291778
>no sex
we have plenty of sex reguralry

>>42292509
Yes we know, Kohaku

>>42291397
My wife Akiha Tohno

>>42294456
If she's your wife why does she still have her maiden surname? Hmm..?

>>42294618
Having "Tohno" as my surname gets me further in life and work. It's also an honor.

>>42294754
>not laying claim on your woman
You're practically ASKING to be dommed at this point.

>>42294859
That is fine too

Art that depicts characters in unconventional color tones is always interesting. It goes to show how recognizable designs like Rin and Ryougi are. Akiha kinda blends in but I think it's because of the headband. You could probably infer that it's supposed to be Akiha since the other two characters are Type-Moon properties.

>>42295273
I wouldn't necessarily assume it's any of them especially with the design alterations, They all look very generic. I'd assume they're characters from some obscure manga.

>>42295609
Ryougi's aesthetic and hair style aren't very common. She's definitely the easiest to pick out in the image, the rest kinda falls into place from there.

>>42295273
That's not unconventional color tones, that's just shit art

>>42295273
That ryougi reminds me of Lee

>>42297808
Maybe a little, there are better ways to compare the two regardless.

>>42288720
Root switcheroo or identity issues I see, but what about other works, like Notes or Extra? It's not like he has been going on any more about that other than what you mentioned.

The use of Alice’s red eye and eye in general in the game to make her look extra scary is done well.

Oh wow you can buy TM Comiket content online. https://www.aniplexplus.com/JCDRmMpa

Now that's some DEEP Nasuverse lore that he's calling back to.

>>42302543
What does it even say.

>>42302696
It's Neco Arc calling back to Rin's Kaleidoscope magic

>>42302867
cute

This is still the best image that Mahoyo has ever produced.

>>42303052
From the thumbnail I almost thought the guy's wallpaper was wide Raidou

>>42303052
It's a shame we'll never find out what this guy's deal is.

>>42303123
We'll find out in Mahoyo 2. Trust the plan.

>>42303136
But Nasu just revealed that there is no plan. I liked it better when we were ignorant.

>>42303163
he wants to write it so it's better than being dead. We'll just have to wait a while for it.

>>42303163
I'm sure it will come out after F/GO 3

>>42303177
I guess I've got good at that over the years at least.

>>42303186
we'll have Red Garden by then so...

>>42303198
The future sure is bright.

>>42303215
it doesn't feel like it

hahhaahhhahahhahha

>>42303123
>boy I wonder what would happen if I killed that dude right now let's just do it

Me waiting for the Fate/Extra remake.

>>42304153
I'm not getting my hopes up, it'll be filled to the brim with post FGO TM faggotry for certain

>>42305757
You guys said the same thing about Tsukihime Remake but here we are.

Unironically, Nasu isn't the one who's adding FGO faggotry to the new games. It's always the other TM writers like Hiroyama or Serizawa that introduce the FGO faggotry into other TM works.

So, what was the problem with Aoko bringing mountain autist back to life if the universe is going to take back the time aoko stole someday?
Also what the fuck was up with grandpa and the dumb cat story in the prologue?

>>42305842
It's always funny to see retards who actually think this is Nasu.

>>42305861
>he doesn't know about Nasu's puppet body

>>42305896
So that's how butcher got the money for thunderchink fantasy.....

what would Nasu think of a vtuber being a big TM VN fan?

>>42281038
people need to recognize that the chief reason the older designs were so much more simplistic was just because Takeuchi fucking sucked and couldn't do anything but simple shit, especially for a VN where there needs to be a multitude of sprites and CGs
just look at all the old character materials shit PFALZ designed, Ado Edem, ORT, etc. those were all pretty wacky
that's not to say you can't prefer those older designs though

>>42305858
>So, what was the problem with Aoko bringing mountain autist back to life if the universe is going to take back the time aoko stole someday?
you answered your own question
if you borrowed money from a gangster do you think he'd just patiently wait and collect it when it was most convenient for you? Also i think it's more than just stealing time, that was just the method. The real taboo was in bringing him back to life.
>Also what the fuck was up with grandpa and the dumb cat story in the prologue?
I don't know genius, maybe try thinking about it. Ever heard of this thing called "symbolism" or "allegory"? The basic gist is that death isn't something that can or should be circumvented so easily.

What did they mean by bottom art of Neco Arc

>>42308344
by that*

>>42308344
What if one of the mini Shiki was for Neko Arc?
Neko Arc route soon?

Fate threads really do suck on other boards.

>>42311768
>Kusoge pic
Didn't even read

>>42311911
Understandable. Have a nice day.

>>42311768
Loreposting is literally the most bottom of the barrel form of discussion. Seriously, the true tragedy of Fate discussion is that all valuable discourse is always about the characters, but try to discuss the themes, the romances, the interrelations between the routes, etc. and you descend into waifushitflinging and Zerofags seething.

Can someone pls upload the "Anyone Can Sleep, But Not Laugh" chapter of Mahoyo on Youtube? It's the only chapter for which I haven't been able to find the translation for.

>>42312394
no

>>42312504

>>42312394
Stop being poor and buy Mahoyo so we can get a part 2.

>>42312394
Potato laptop please understand

>>42312038
t. coomer
The only way you can even reason loreposting being below talking about which girl you want to fuck is if you're a coomer. In which case your opinion is entirely irrelevant.

>>42307643
>introduce a rule so it can be broken later
Oh, so its just classic nasu shit writing, oh well

>>42312793
>posts and FGO picture and posts garbage
Name a more iconic duo. I’m glad Nasu keeps using this trope just because it makes babies like you cry about it.

>>42312821
Posts an*

>>42312595
Coomers are better than loreposters.

>>42305913

LMAO this was actually made because of nasu saying he plays genshin kek

>>42303052

>they don't know I was the reason why they made this video lel

>>42312793
>presuming a rule shown was a rule to begin with

>>42312991
>grandpa please save the kitty
>uhh, he died and i cant do anything because i can't be bothered and the fifth sucks lmao
Why was he such a cunt?

Thread too green.

>>42312842
lmao

>>42312842
/tmg/'s quality has increased exponentially since the Ciel coomer that would dump his coom folder every single thread left.

>>42312595
I want to talk about why the girls are, for the most part, excellent characters and why their relationships with Shirou are, for the most part, brilliantly written; as well as how they relate to the overall story's themes and narrative.

But you're a loreposter so I don't know why I bother with niggers like you.

sex with saber

>>42313207
Saber is not sexually appealing.

>>42312924
>>42312939
I want the both of them to have gay sex.

>>42313270
Only art of Rin licking Aoko's thick red bush can save /tmg/

>>42313285
I still need art of young Aoko kissing Rib

>>42313030
"It can't be helped."

>>42313262

>page 10 new thread?

>>42312595
Loreposting is shit, most of the time it requires outside knowledge from the actual visual novels themselves and the lore tidbits you learn don't actually contribute anything to the theming or characters of said narrative.

>>42313726
No.

>>42313030
>Yoko Taro image
This is actually kinda ironic because I feel like the whole TM lore debacle is in the same position as the whole DrakeNier lore debacle. People are seemingly more interested in engaging with side materials that drop meaningless lore tidbits than the actual substance of the source materials themselves (narrative, characters, theming etc.) In a lot of the side lore content, the writers are making it up as they go along. It's not like they always had this grand "master plan" narrative in their heads that they're slowly drip-feeding through lore dumps.

One thing that really exemplifies this in the Yoko Taro analogy is that one drama CD describing Tyrann's backstory where it goes into how Emil, Gestalt Kaine and Gestalt Nier had all previously met each other before Project Gestalt was fully mobilized. There's even a wink-wink-nod-nod moment where the characters are like "woaaaaaah... its like we were all destined to meet or something..." Does this side story that elaborates more on the lore actually add anything to the narrative of the source material? No, I'd even argue that it raises more questions and cheapens some aspects of the character writing. It feels like a lot of multimedia franchises that have a plethora of loredumps always end up in the same position where the lore discussion drags down the actual stories of the games.

>>42313132
A single ciel coom post is worth more than the random threads we had that were full of nonsensical FGO lore.

>>42313975

>One thing that really exemplifies this in the Yoko Taro analogy is that one drama CD describing Tyrann's backstory where it goes into how Emil, Gestalt Kaine and Gestalt Nier had all previously met each other before Project Gestalt was fully mobilized

Although this bit is really cool and neat I honestly would rather eat TM lore than YOKO TARO stage plays that are canon.

>>42313772
>>42313996
t. brainless coomer
Any sort of discussion that encourages deliberate thought and analysis is better than sharing your masturbation fantasies. But alas, such critical thinking is lost on you.

>>42314078
I cannot fathom being seriously invested in Nasuverse lore beyond "lol X is cool". He breaks his own shit all the time. It's just a complete waste of time worrying seriously about it. Need I remind you that literally everything thought Tsukihime and Fate was in the same world until one day he randomly retconned that?

>>42314105
>everything
everyone*

>>42314078
people with a brain don’t care about dumb FGO lore. That’ll never change.

>>42314078
>Any sort of discussion that encourages deliberate thought and analysis
So not lore discussion? Most lore discussion isn't even analysis, it's just speculation about what NEW EPIC POINTLESS LORE will be revealed in the next predatory gacha update. Telling a good story is just incompatible with the gacha format because they're dependent on the writers shitting out like 20-30 different characters per year to put on banners, and they have to make every single character lore and story relevant to get people interested enough into wasting money for them.

>"Oh, so Scrimblo Scramblo the new 5* powercreep unit is actually super duper important in the Bimblo Bramblo Timeline Wars where the fate of the entire universe is at stake?? Hoolly frick this lore is so deep..."
>2 weeks later
>"OH MY GOD GUYS SCRIMBLO SCRAMBLO SWIMSUIT EDITION JUST DROPPED AND HER STORY IS SUPER DUPER IMPORTANT TOO SHE'S MY WAIFU BROS"
>repeat

I basically summed up all lore that originates from the gacha.

>>42312793
What are you even crying about? This is a borderline non-sequitur.

Oh wait I think I get it. You're just insanely fucking dumb and don't get what I, nor the story itself was implying because it wasn't spelled out in incredibly simple terms to you.

There was no rule broken, idiot, the cat is supposed to represent Soujuurou. It's also why at the end, gramps refers to Soujuurou as a "dead man". In case you forgot, Mahoyo is supposed to have two sequels. Now whether Soujuurou actually does die or not is something we'll have to wait and see, but that is explicitly what is being foreshadowed here. Soujuurou's death and resurrection are clearly meant to be significant plot points going forward and a source of conflict, something that will either have to be overcome or that will end in tragedy.

>>42308344
it's some 90s movie poster, don't remember the name

>>42314105
But he doesn't? What lore elements were actually in contradict with established ones, not counting new lore expansions like Tsuki Re?
Are you perhaps not comprehending implications in how original mechanics were working in the first place?

>>42314270
>the cat is supposed to represent soujuurou
>when its clearly an aoko memory and one of the reasons why she doesn't want to use the fifth magic

>>42314270
It depends where exactly Aoko threw Soujuurou's death. If it was something like 300 years in the future then it probably won't matter.

>>42314550
You are buttfuckingly stupid my dude.
>>42314571
That doesn't really matter. See >>42307643

>>42314550
average IQ of a mahoyo critic on display right here

>>42314645
Don't worry, Robin will sacrifice himself for Soujuurou and Alice's happiness.

>>42314759
damn Robinbros...why are we such cucks...?

>>42314759
Wait a second, would this actually work?

>>42312873
Where the fuck is my Shiki Doll!?

>>42314645
We literally don't know how the Fifth Magic stuff works. We also can't be sure how the world itself corrects anomalies, whether this counts as one or if the Fifth Magic can just bypass it entirely. Hell it isn't even clear whether the Fifth is manipulating time or something like entrophy. Touko implies it isn't time manipulation.
Too many unknowns to say at this point.

>>42314967
Okay nerd. But most people know how basic storytelling works. You don't set up a bunch of shit and imply it will have severe consequences just for it to be completely irrelevant and play zero role in the story.

>>42315030
That's fine but it might not end in Soujuurou's death again it's all I'm saying. That would be too obvious and Nasu hardly meets people's expectations. Red herrings exist.

>>42315074
Okay? I said as much in my post here >>42314270