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They've been so busy translating it that they forgot updating the status.

Lazy sons a bitches.

>>4227681
Yea, it's probably already pretty much done.

man I am getting really tired of seeing that same Dlanor image

>>4227683
I want to believe.

I hope they never release it.

Didn't you faggots hate this one? Why do you suddenly want a translation?

If you squint really hard, the runes start looking like real words.

>>4227703

Because no one here's read it.

Same thing happened with Episode 5.

>>4227703
Because we can't have our precious Umineko discussion threads - y'know, the ones where we don't go DID MEIDO IS STUPID / NO IT'S NOT - without knowing about the red in EP6.

>>4227703
Everyone hated EP5 before they read it, too. They figured Erika was a boring Mary Sue (which is partially correct, but she's also entertaining and a total bitch with DEM PANTYHOSE), Dlanor was just yet another pantsless furniture slut, and that Battler was a total pussy who just sat around crying because of Beato.

It ended up being more like ERIKA IS FUCKING AWESOME even if she is a whore, DLANOR IS FUCKING AWESOME AND PERFECT even if she has a suspicious bulge, and BATTLER IS A FUCKING BADASS HE'S ALLOWED TO CRY WHOA HE'S THE MOTHERFUCKING GOLDEN SORCERER, SHIT.

>>4227991
http://umineco.info/?%E8%B5%A4%E6%96%87%E5%AD%97%E3%81%9D%E3%81%AE%E4%BB%96%EF%BC%88%E7%AC%AC%E5%85%
AD%E8%A9%B1%EF%BC%89

Here is your red for episode 6, enjoy your DID meido when it will be translated too.

>>4227703
I assume the people who want it translated have not yet read it. So how could they hate it?

>>4228005
Because this is /jp/. When we don't see exactly what we wanted, we stop thinking and bitch.

>>4227996
DID doesn't even solve anything. Fucking deluded fanboys and their fucking disease X.

I don't fucking care about EP6 at this point. I just want to see the last game released, so that I can see the shipperfags cry delicious tears when their dreams are crushed.

>>4228015
Blame Ryuukishi07 and his love for disease x faggot.

>>4227993 Everyone hated EP5 before they read it

Bullshit. I thought we'd start getting some answers to some of the more controversial mysteries and have some definitive accomplices to further narrow down who the culprit is.

Instead I got yet another episode with Battler not going far enough in his questioning (e.g. Did Erika hear the other cousins breathing when Battler entered the room, among others), then suddenly, meta-scenes everywhere.

Give WH some slack, they worked so hard

>>4228033
Chiru isn't an answer arc. They continue on with the story.

>>4228015 DID doesn't even solve anything

DID gives Shkannontrice something that no other theory can claim; motivation for someone to act out as Beatrice.

>>4228015
DID solves the "how" and. "why", no other theory do this.

Fuck you guys. Episode 6 was great.

Sorcerer Battler being sexy in his sexy cape, two Beatrices fooling around, Kanon suddenly being awesome after 5 episodes of him sucking, Jessica vs Kyrie and George vs Evatrice, witch Maria vs Erika, and Beatrice finally reviving to foil Erika and get back the soul of her beloved Battler.

Great stuff. Fuck /jp/.

What's DID?

>>4228045
Dissociative identity disorder
>>4228044
Episode 6 was quite good.

>>4228045
Often called multiple personalities.

I doubt anyone who has read Knox's would really apply something as cliche as DID.

>>4228052

And this is the basis of Shkannontrice?

>>4228052
Knox doesn't invalidate DID though.

ceiling fell and they were trapped and not able to kill.
"No! I must kill the aliens" Rena shouted
The radio said "No, Rena. You are the aliens"
And then Rena was maggots

>>4228056
Yep. I think DID is to make it sound more legitimate-sounding, as psychologists aren't really sure that Multiple personality disorder actually exists (at least as it functions in fiction and popular culture). It's probably just schizophrenia.

So while DID would be an acceptable literary device, it's actually not scientifically sound enough to ever be used in reality.

>>4228017
>>disease x
Higurashi = Brain parasite
Ookamikakushi = Wolf parasite
You really expected Umineko to be different?

Ryuukishi07 will fit perfectly in Key.

>>4228075
What kind of parasite is it going to be?

>>4228076
Golden butterfly larvae.

>>4228076

SEAGULL SCENT

THE SCENTS OF THE SEAGULLS COUNTER BALANCE A DEADLY BUTTERLY DISEASE THAT MAKES PEOPLE GO CRAZY. NOTICE HOW THERE'S NO SEAGULLS AT ROKKENJIMA IN ANY OF THE GAMES, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE USUALLY THERE? YEAH, THERE'S NOBODY TO BATTLE THE EVIL GOLDEN BUTTERFLIES.

You heard it here first, folks.

>>4228075
Yes

>>4228056
One of the things people don't like about Shkannontrice (me included, but let's not go there) is how it makes names refer to personalities instead of bodies. Granted, with EP6 Shkannon is probably a necessity, so interpreting red like that is a must, but there are people who use Shkannontrice to say stuff like "even if Kanon and Shannon are proclaimed in red to be dead, the Beatrice persona can still move the body and commit murders". To me, that feels like a cop out, but I don't really care. I wish people would do less of the Shkannontrice debates and focus more on solving the mystery, with or without a Beatrice DID meido.

>>4228061
Yes, but applying only a literal reading of Knox kind of misses the point. It's a bunch of rules trying to prevent deus ex machina like solutions, so coming up with something that isn't literally forbidden in Knox but still reeks of trickery is pretty dumb, in my opinion. That's not to say that Shkannontrice is a DEM, per se, but if you're writing a mystery novel based only on the exact reading of Knox you're quite possibly fooling yourself into thinking you wrote a decent mystery novel.

>>4228071

You also forgot the fact that most, if not all, of the personalities exist without them being aware of the others, along with the fact that there should be blank spots in each personalities' memory when they aren't active. The only time I can recall seeing such a thing would be the letter in Episode 5 (Beatrice personality placed the letter on the floor and Erika's line of thinking to explain the knock).

>>4228124
Kanon doesn't have the memory of Shannon and vice versa, he said in episode 2 that he learned from Jessica that Shannon went to a travel in Okinawa.

>>4228041
>>4228040
You guys are forgetting the possibility of Shkanontrice being the case, but them still being merely a pawn.

>>4228075
>Higurashi = Brain parasite

Thanks for spoiling the ultimate truth of a VN I was about to start for the first time tonight.

After replaying EP 1-4, I believe that moon-chan is insane just like her wingless mother. And Shannontrice is just pretending to be Kanon to satisfy that crazy bitch.

>>4228146
It's pretty obvious from after the first episode.

>>4228136

So two scenes in the entire story, neither of which occur with the detective present, support DID before Episode 6.

>>4228146
So everyone knows the final answer that early?

>>4228145

I've considered that's a possibility but haven't really pursued it due to the "without love, it cannot be seen" notion that R07 has constantly been slapping our face with to explain the incident. Other masterminds, such as Kyrie or Jessica, have no other reason but personal gain to cause the incident.

Goddamn it George, you carry your waifu and don't even realize it.

>>4228177
George was suspecting something during the first arc, but in the end he said that he couldn't figure it out.

The most awesome thing Ryukishi could do right now is to just stop making the games.

Unresolved ending a la And Then There Were None would be a historic troll.

>>4228154
> neither of which occur with the detective present
You do know that Beatrice was giving hints to Battler in (almost) every fantasy scene, right? So all those scenes in which Shannon, Kanon, and Beatrice interact contain hints, or are themselves hints.

>>4228233
And that's why episode 5 was so unreliable.
Because the GM was bitch who didn't want to give any answers.

>>4228167
You can't deny that Jessica is very sketchy, though. And Kyrie has some suspicious stuff about her as well.

Personally, though, I think Kinzo arranged the bomb and all that. I started rereading Episode 1 last night, and that scene at the very beginning, with Nanjo talking about how a will is one's final words, their last requests and all that, not just something used to distribute inheritance, strengthened my thoughts on that, despite Kinzo's reaction at that time to the idea of a will.

>>4228227
even that was finally solved, though it had a big chance of not, he said he would at least say who's the culprit and why, just leave the how a bit foggy so people can have fun

>>4228252

Genji is a strange character, Nanjo highlighted how Genji seemed as if he knew he wouldn't die for some reason.
Ok he did die in the end but the point is why was he so sure he wouldn't?

Shkanon time?

>>4228273
Or he just didn't care if he died.

>>4228270
Goddammit, is there ANYTHING that can't be put past Kinzo?

so we can have as culprits:
Kinzo settinmg the bomb
Moon-chan manipulating Shkanon/trice
Kyrie manipulating moon-chan, taking high risks and getting killed

>>4228280
loving Natsuhi
trollkastel.jpg

Who dunnit: Beatrice/Shkanontrice
How dunnit: DID
WHY dunnit: love

not so fucking hard

>>4228291
The Shkanontrice-culprit theory doesn't work for Episode 3.

>>4228291
How was Hideyoshi fooled then?

>>4228297
Beatrice bribed him.
He was talking about going on a fucking vacation with Eva minutes before he was killed.

Who dunnit: Kyrie
How dunnit: manipulating the manipulator, Jessie
Why: revenge for her 'dead' baby because the ushiromiya family were the ones to do it since they didn't want to involve themselves with the Sumaderas and Ayumu was the easy option

>>4228304
So a man who values life above all else accepted a bribe?

>>4228296
It works actually, not for every murders though.
For example Rosa and Maria were probably not killed by her.

Something about the epitaph and the explosion that takes place doesn't make any sense. What's the point if everyone is going to die anyway? Or is there another step that everyone (except Eva in one case) overlooked?

>Solve the epitaph and the murders will cease.
But people still die.
As Lambdadelta said in Episode 5; there really isn't a point to the epitaph is there?

>>4228325
Remember the code that only appeared in episode 3?
Probably a message from Beatrice to Eva on how to stop the bomb.

>>4228312
And neither was Nanjo. There was a thread that talked about Shkanontrice in Episode 3 a couple days ago.

>>4228325
The overlooked step: Go to Kuwadorian?

>>4228331

All but certainly. Golden land = hell, hell = fire

bombexplosion = small hell

>>4228331
The bomb wasn't stopped. The explosion occurred as usual. The only difference was that Eva was in Kuwadorian at the time of the explosion.

Something that might not mean much, but: the number on the door was one of the vault numbers in that high-class bank.

>>4228296
"
Are you enjoying the riddle of Kinzo-sama's epitaph?
You are probably already aware of this, but all of you do not have much time left.
Please, abandon the naive thought that when the storm passes by, you will be able to run away.
In this game, the only possible outcome is either you all or me winning. If you run out of time, I will win. There will be no draw. Please do not misunderstand that. "

SOLVE THE FUCKING EPITAPH AND HEAD TO KUWADORIAN

>>4228308
>manipulating manipulator

New zts confirmed.

>>4228347
So if Beatrice understood the epitah & was playing the good guy, who's carrying out the murder?

>>4228369
Someone who felt that they could take advantage of the epitaph/the situation, and kill people?

Alternatively, Beatrice isn't acting as the good guy, but is merely following Kinzo's will.

>>4228233

The problem with that is DID doesn't work like that.

>>4228369
Beatrice wasn't playing the good guy though.
She just followed the same schema as Kinzo, greater risk = bigger chance of a miracle happening.

>>4228383
Tell that to every fictions that use it.

>>4228369 So if Beatrice understood the epitah & was playing the good guy

Beatrice doesn't care about the murders or the gold. She just wants Battler to remember his sin.

>>4228383
And why couldn't there be a form of it that allows the various personalities to be aware of each other?

>>4228342
I don't think those numbers were to stop the detonation of a possible bomb though. It might have been an encrypted message at least.

If Battler didn't come to the island, no one would be murdered.
The bomb would still go off.

>>4228391
>>4228393

The point of DID is that none of the personalities are aware of each other beyond blank spots in their memory.

Shannon, Kanon, and Beatrice can not interact with one another as depicted in the story without outside help (Jessica and George in particular) or leaving written messages to one another. While the former is plausible, I have a hard time trusting the latter without more written material of Shannon's to go by.

>>4228408
So if we keep with the chess theme of Umineko, what piece would that make them?

>>4228391
I don't talk much to soap opera writers.
I've seen some pretty terrible fictional amnesia, but no mystery I've heard of has ever pulled any "I SWORE HE WAS DEAD BUT THAT WAS JUST HIS OTHER PERSONALITY LOL" jedi truth bullshit.

>>4228405
The bomb is inside Battler!

>>4228415
Umineko is truly a work of art, it will revolutionize the mystery genre as a whole.

>>4228413

There's no reason that the pieces have to be linked to meta-world characters.

>>4228429
Chess piece.

>>4228437

Red Herring

>>4228449
No it's not, you know exactly what i'm getting at. Don't you?

>>4228415

Seriously, it's not going to happen. I refuse to believe in "killing personalities". It's not like Shkannon necessairily has to go that way.

>>4228461
Actually it does.
Shannon and Kanon die at different times and places in episode 2 and 4.
If personality can't die, then ShKanon can't work.

>>4228454

Yes, and I find it ridiculous.

>>4228461

I agree with you that it's a bad plot twist. Just look at Episode 1's First Twilight.

>>4228473
That's how i feel about the multiple personality theories.

>>4228464
Do you have proof that they do?

>>4228464
They were two seperate entyties prior to the game. Just one of them actually died in either game the other one was just a prepared corpse.

>>4228482
Red text, etc...

>>4228483
Knox, can't work, no foreshadowing, etc...

Battler inherited Kinzo's name. Battler is Kinzo. Kinzo fucked Natsuhi. Battler fucked Natsuhi.

>>4228510

Eva approves.

>>4228478

Again, I agree that DID is a ridiculous argument. However, it's the only one I've seen that makes a lick of sense, as it provides the framework to answer "who", "how" and "why".

>>4228505

You're too focused on the knox rules. Also "no foreshadowing" is a bit too mcuh said. I mean "Kanon defenitely died in this room" but his corpse is no where to be seen can be taken as foreshadowing that he died before the game even started. Same for the scene where both Kinzo and Kanon were an element of Natsuhi's delusion. Also Shannon doesn't neccesairily have to be an identity, she can be the real person talking to "the kanon in her heart" whose death she is forced to cover up to avoid a police investigation (or for another shady reason).

>>4228518

Who: Jessica
How: With help of Shkannon
Why: Revenge on Battler for forgetting that promise

It's not like it was ever stated that the promise was between Battler and Shannon.

>>4228615

You really think Jessica would murder her entire family for revenge agains her cousin?

I've had my fair share of family problems, but jeez.

>>4228615
So the Kanon was the servant holding the child?

>>4228622

You really think Shannon would murder the enitre population of an island just for revenge for one promise? Duh.

Being trapped on an island for your whole life can do this to you. I wouldn't put it past Jessica.

>>4228615
>>It's not like it was ever stated that the promise was between Battler and Shannon.
The only promise we saw was between Battler and Shannon.
Umineko is solvable, therefore all the clues are presented to the viewers.
Therefore you don't need to use "what if" or "could", if something wasn't presented one way or another, it doesn't count.
There was no hint whatsoever that Battler made a promise with Jessica.

Also from episode 1.
Jessica was just behind Battler.

Kanon/SHannon = pawns that crossed the table and turned into a queen, Beatrice.

>>4228635
>>You really think Shannon would murder the enitre population of an island just for revenge for one promise? Duh.
Shannon doesn't do it for revenge.
" Her goal is not to make someone experience fear.
And it isn't to have revenge on someone either.
Beato never committed murder for the sake of pleasure. "

Motive is easy, she does it for love.
Follow the epitaph, be reunited with your estranged lover in the golden land.

Battlers sin could be leaving her to Kinzorape.
Or maybe he was the one that gave Kinzo the whole epitaph test with bomb idea, or he dressed up as a girl and rekindled Kinzos Beato fetish or something.

>>4228638
>Implying that's not Beatrice behind Maria

>>4228657
Reading comprehension, etc...
I never implied otherwise.
Only implied that it was impossible for Jessica to be this Beatrice.

"<Oh my god> Battler, <A BOMB>"
"<A BOMB!>"

>>4228415
I have a question, too.
What do All of the Goats represent?

>>4228669

A bomb?

>>4228672
Goats Kinzo keeps as his pets, of course.

They will be the central actors in Umineko's sequel detailing what Kinzo did to Beatrice to bind her under his will. The game will aptly be titled Beatrice Bitch Training.

>>4228672
Flames. THat's why their method of killing is devouring.

>>4228691

That's kind of making sense...

You know I'm really wondering what kind of discussion we'll be having one year form now. Probably "Ryukishi is stupid, Umineko sucks."

>>4228710
One yeah from now we will be reading Inu no Naku Koro Ni or some shit like that.

>>4228672
The goats are fire.

So Krauss's asskicking in EP4 translates to FUCK YOU FIRE KRAUSS PAAANCH

>>4228718
Aka-chan no Naku Koro ni.

DEAD BABIES DID IT

>>4228691
End of ep2. Goats are running after Rosa, in the middle of a typhoon.

It could work for Battler, but for Rosa, It's more complicated.

>>4228718
''Umineko was a good ride, just had a shitty ending. People were just expecting too much tough, the game was never about KILLER MILFS anyway.

So, you guys heard of Kitsune no naku koro ni? It looks good.

>>4228730
Goats could also be the radius of the explosion.
Which is why Rosa thought they would be saved if they managed to get to the beach.

>>4228681
>>4228691
>>4228720
Fascinating.

I actually thought they could be something like Banken, a unit of soldiers deployed somehing like in middle of second day to clean the mess. Knox doesn't deny it because 6th is out, also the Tokyo Metropolis thingy in E4.

>>4228733
This time they are in a fantasy setting fighting against science.

>>4228739
Doesn't explain how she expects to defend herself with a gun, though.

>>4228750
Because it's a fantasy scene.

>>4228750
And implies that she kow that there is a bomb, and its power.

>>4228742
Yes, and the main theme of this time will be Faith.
Without faith it cannot be seen.

Also, killer grannys

Let's talk about something new now: Kinzo's wife. Do we even know her name?

>>4228759
Asumu

>>4228759
She calls herself Virgilia.

By the way, I feel like reading one of them Golden Age by the Knox fiction books. Will it be better than umineko?

>>4228758
Friendship, love and faith.

Fuck, I wouldn't put it past Ryu.

>>4228773
Ryu's starting a cult.

IT'S WORSE THAN /A/ WITH LEVEL UPPER

>>4228766
Of course, what a weird question.

>>4228759

I don't think she matters as they're both dead. Thoguh maybe she might be the one with the most motive to hate.

>>4228763
that's his mistress

>>4228773
Also there will be a new version of Rika/Bernkastell within a new mithology. Also, kakeras.

>>4228775
BECAUSE WE ALL WOULD JOIN ANYWAY IN HOPE OF LOVE, FRIENDSHIP AND FAITH

>>4228759
No, I wondered about it since E1. Before I thought "What if Kinzo is dead" I also thought "What if granny is NOT dead?"

There are a few more characters like that. Asumu, Maria's father (slightly implied to be Genji, but duh), all of the Beatos...

>>4228786
Beatrice is the title for whomever Kinzo sticks his dick in. Hence Virgilia -> Beato -> Eva -> Ange.

If you're asking how he fucked the latter two after he died, well, I wouldn't put it past him.

>>4228773
A very long time ago, when the Burning Crusade expansion for WoW was first announced, I saw a thread on /v/ where some anon jokingly announced another expansion set in Northrend. History takes strange paths...

>>4228796
But one of them is a game with an already set background and the other is the philosophy of our Ryu-chan

I wouldn't put it past him though

>>4228793
>Maria's father (slightly implied to be Genji,
Wait, what?

What about Kumasawa? I mean it is kinda fishy that she's been working for the Ushiromiya family forever, is still working despite her old age and still doensn't get the golden eagle.

>>4228816
She was investigating the island too.

>>4228816
she has the golden eagle engraved in her

>>4228831
Into her chest. and she would proudly show it to anybody that wanted to see it. pukukukuku

>>4228816
It's on her arm. It seems pretty fucking heavily implied she tended to the B's in Kuwadorian

>>4228831
Where, exactly? On her buttocks?

>>4228815
Scolds her twice with "Be quiet", in golden land and in E1 openly, puts the blanket over her once in E2 saying something like "Poor thing".
But it seems like that just because of the whole E2 solution and the differences in Rosa's interaction with other servants and him(i.e she is never suspicious of Genji, not even when he comes back to report five dead bodies and that he is somehow the only other person left).

>>4228846
>>4228841
you didn't follow the joke, right
maybe I should have said, if you know what I mean... afterwards

>>4228849
Rosa's a slut, i wouldnt put it past her that she had sex with so many guys that she doesnt know who is the father of Maria.

>>4228858

Episode 6 reveals that The one that got her into debt is Maria's father. He basically used her name to get a huge credit and then took off overseas never to be heard of again.

there's one problem with Genji being the father
it's heavily hinted in ep6 that Rosa owns the money because of a debt co-signed with Maria's father

>>4228868
I do know this. That's what made me duh there.

>>4228849
Soooo

EPISODE 8

CAST

Battler Kinzo Sumadera
Maria 'Manon' Ushiromiya
Battler Joshua Ushiromiya
Maria Ronoue
Kasumi Ushiromiya
...

I doing this right?

The true culprit is the fihsing boat captain. He has a super high speed ultra boat so he can do anything.

>>4228895
He drives his boat onto the island and collides with the mansion, causing an explosion and killing everyone.

The name of the boat was Beatrice.

>>4228906
So there's Shkannontrice, Jessitrice/Moon-chan, Bombtrice, Teatrice and Boatrice?

>>4228906
Except it was Hanyuu

>>4228911
U forget nanjotrice

>>4228911
teatrice is the best and most plausible one

>>4228895
It's actually not 30 knots, it's 30 Mach

>>4228915
This is sad/awesome because it's true.

Who was drinking tea with Natsuhi in EP5? Teatrice, of course. The old family heirloom teapot made Natsuhi think of the family, and she absent-mindedly started to talk to herself as she drank the fucked up tea from it.

Also, it's got holes for Battler and Kinzo to J-J-JAM IT IN, so it works.

>>4228924
Rosa is the culprit.
Teatrice is the accomplice.

Rosa brought Teatrice to the family conference saying that it would help Natsuhi headaches but in truth there were micro nanomachine bombs inside teatrice that flew from Natsuhi to Kinzo's body while they were having sex and then Kinzo turned into a zombie.

Kinzo counts as a dead person, and as a zombie he proceeds to do all killings for teatrice just like Rosa ordered her to do.

>>4228924
So Battler's sin was fapping in the teapot Natsuhi poured her tea from?

UMINEKO SOLVED

>>4228934
>Zombies

Umineko solved, nothing to see here. Move along

>>4228937
Yeah. Battler still had fucked up steroid in his system, and thus they were also in his splooge.

Which Natsuhi drank.

If only red wasn't introduced...

And I still had some hope but then R07 comes up and introduces fucking gold.

>>4228939
It was all about zombie parasites all along.

This theory is foreshadowed by Rosa coming with the tea in EP1 and Kanon that was supposed to be dead reviving and killing people in EP2.

>>4228945
Clues about the gold yet?

>>4228945
> If only red wasn't introduced...
Then we wouldn't be able to get anywhere.

What if they introduce motherfucking green?

So what is the popular opinion on Jessica hiding Kinzo's death?

>>4228998

Heheheh

>>4228977
>implying you're not the culprit

>>4228998
That she is just easily manipulated.
Everybody lies about Kinzo anyways.

>>4229005
I'd throw my computer out the window.

>>4229004
I really think she has no idea about Kinzo, if she did that's her motive out the window.

>>4228977
The future of Umineko