/jp/ - Otaku Culture

yosh new thread

>>42184469
i appreciate you scrubbing all the shit from the op but unfortunately this thread will get deleted

>>42184469
Hello /jp/. /int/fag here, the fags on that DJT told me that memorizing kanji recognition is useless, and that I should jump into learning vocab immediately. What do you think here?

>>42184652
they are right

>>42184602
Why would it?

>>42184652
Kanji production (RTK) is very useful. Kanji recognition is useless. You learn that in words.

Time to read

>>42184652
they are right, just don't be satisfied that you 'know a word' until you can recognize it when you see it. it will be harder at first cause every word will look totally different with kanji you don't know yet, but the difficulty quickly drops off as you start to learn thousands of words sharing common kanji with each other

>>42184880
Is kanji production just writing a few kanji every day on a piece of paper for like 50 times, or is there more to it?

>>42184991
no, I think that anon is talking about RTK(Remembering the Kanji). Basically, you learn kanji using the radicals to help your memory. For example 好(love/like) is just 女+子, the love a woman has for her child. It sounds stupid but it can be helpful for someone.

it not only sounds stupid, it is stupid

>>42185050
you figure that out without RTK though, I think RTK's thing is you make up thousands of stories parallel to the kanji that you have to rmemrber and that's supposed to help you 'remember the kanji'. pretty stupid cause you can just remember them by associating them with the meta meaning you feel from all the vocab you learn containing that kanji

>>42184991
Kanji production is being able to produce kanji from memory. A basic skill that every Japanese speaker can do.
>>42185101
Vocab is never going to teach you production because it's a recognition exercise. You have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about. You are either so stupid that you're not aware that you have no idea what you're talking about (most likely), or you're willfully saying nonsense because acknowledging that you're an illiterate makes you feel threatened. Either way you're not going to make it and will never learn Japanese.

>>42185050
Not how it works.
>>42185054
Illiterate detected.

>>42185211
heggin based

just read until kanji seems normal to you lol

>read
yikes!

drinking strawberry カルピス

skipping rtk is stupid long term

the guy shilling a beginner learning resource telling people they'll never learn japanese
lol, why are they like this...

>>42185270
stfu

kanken 1 guy said rtk is based tho
i know who im gonna listen to

>>42185225
How does it work? I'm genuinely curious. I don't know a lot about RTK except what I explained above. The way I learned kanjis was simply by reading and learning the vocabs.

>kanjis
>vocabs
calling out unsubtle bait

>>42185282
the guy who literally only can do things that have to do with kanken and sucks at actual japanese?

>>42185321
says the guy who
uh
what can you do again? lol

post the graph

yea i owe my japanese skillz to heisig sama god bless his soul

>>42185353
You mean Heisig bless his soul.

sometimes it's odd seeing words that I wouldn't consider common in english but are in japanese

>>42185370
Did you hear about the guy obsessed with his <i>car</i>? He keeps it in his <b>flat</b> to keep <i>dry</i>.

how do i get past the 75% barrier in anki, i just can't do it
maybe it's because i practically only mine words with unknown or poorly known kanji or readings so 1/3 of my new cards become leech at some point and I see them again and again for months before they finally become mature
do 90% ankichads mine every easy words they come across or do I just have a shitty memory

>>42185398
sorry bro but you're out of luck i stopped giving advice in these threads

just fucking read

>>42185431
reading is horrible for acquisition

>>42185211
this anon is a sage, informing us all that japs don't actually comprehend words like ゆっくり and テンション ALL THE WAY when listening because they aren't producing perfectly vivid kanji for them in their heax

ajatters really believe that btw

>>42185279
stfu
>>42185321
retard detected. there is no way to pass kanken 1 and not be good at japanese

>>42185431
i want to read but anki take me an hour everyday then I need another hour to recover from the pain, thats two hours of reading stolen from me while 90% chads spend 15 minutes on anki while getting sucked by their japanese gf before immersing live for the entire day and night

>>42185504
stop doing anki then

>>42185295
Read the introduction in the 6th edition. It's linked in the library in the OP.

>>42185510
too late i stored all my japanese knowledge in my anki deck instead of my brain

>>42185504
reading and anki are both scams

>>42185504
>need another hour to recover from the pain
kekd

literally where do I start

right here *unzips*

>>42185492
you could pass it without being able to listen to japanese at all
you could even pass it without knowing how to read kana out loud

>>42185383
searching 'eaves' on the the /jp/ archive from posts up to 2008 shows 23 results, with a good number of them being misspellings of "leaves" or "eavesdropping", and even another guy talking about seeing it for the first time
it's not archaic but it sure isn't used commonly, there are hundreds of n2 and n1 words more 'common'

>>42185561
the guide in the OP

>>42185431
Do you even realise how tedious is reading for beginner? I am still losing my mind over that nanoni and soredemo from yesterday.

>>42185665
so

>>42185665
LOL only because you're negatively emotional

finna get banned again lol

>>42185665
stop losing your mind about it
its that simple really

>>42185711
You say that only because for you there are no obstacles. You just read and everything clicks. Try not being able to feel. Or even worse, feel like you are close but the tip of that of imaginary rope keeps evading you.

>>42185752
>Or even worse, feel like you are close but the tip of that of imaginary rope keeps evading you.
thats cause you're gay, get emotional and stop
unironically what you describe is being on the verge of a breakthrough if you're in a low stress environment, good mood, and continue inputting
being in a good mood is a proven part of language learning btw lol, being sad literally is fucking you

>>42185752
no you fucktard that's not how it works literally everyone has obstacles
>try not being able to feel
that's not a thing unless you're literally 30 iq and have a brain illness and seeing as you're able to comprehend english you are certainly able to feel, it just takes time to acquire the same skill in japanese

5.2s/cards today yosh
punching in for another day of immersion

ngmi

>>42185528
this. you cannot learn japanese.

ngmi and don't give a shit
only things im interested in are eroge and low brain anime who repeat the same 200 sentences over and over
I didn't even need to reach n3 to meet my goals already

>>42185915
you must be an eroge noob if you still haven't figured out the best ones are pornographic VNs and rpg maker games yet

>>42185929
lol i probably coomed more time reading untranslated porn games from the 80s than you ever did in your whole life

I only do one new anki card and one 20 minute anime episode of immersion per day

梅に鶯

i always wonder if before should be after and vice versa.

can y'all help me out? I need the fastest speaking vtubers with lots of content

>>42185972
my point stands, you don't have to be inexperienced to be a noob

>>42186021
salome

>>42185211
Two questions: why do you have to be rude about it? Secondly, is RTK the best method for this or are there good alternatives?

>>42186028
you fapped to rance and monster girl quest once or twice and think you can go all pornking on me lol literal dunning kruger here

>>42185974
紅葉に鹿

”やがる”は獲る

>>42186064
He's rude cause he's mad tons of people learn Japanese without wasting a few months on RTK before starting like he did

>>42186064
Kanjidamage is a more modern take on the method with onyomi being included in the mnemonics or getting their own. RTK was kind of a slog for me but KD is going well.

>>42185749
69M

goooood afternoon

acquired 搗く today

>>42185749
based

>>42185437
What’re you talking about? Reading is the best for acquisition. Reading solidifies you’re knowledge of vocab/kanji with context. You’ll forget everything in a month with rote memorization.

>read sci-fi for a month
>forget all the fantasy vocabulary
>read fantasy for a month
>forget all the sci-fi vocabulary
>slowly forget common sol words in the meanwhile
fuck this, there's not enough reviews per day in anki for me to retain everything, maybe i should read every genres at the same time

>learn new word
>forget kanji in next 3 seconds
>forget reading in next 3 minutes
>the only thing I remember is where I got it and what it means in English/my language
Good? Bad?

>>42186439
your definition of 'learn' seems to be confused with 'encounter for the first time, hope that helps

After many years of trying different learning methods for written vocabulary (after learning grammar of course), if I had to go back in time and tell myself which one works the best...
I would say just LISTEN to spoken material. Even though my goal was reading, just listen anyway. Expand your vocabulary as spoken Japanese first, and then later supplement that with reading.

In my experience the retention rate is dramatically higher that way. It's far easier to learn new vocab as spoken words first, and I think more natural for the human mind to retain. So it forms a much more solid foundation for your mind to associate the written word with later and it sticks.
Trying to just memorize the written words straight away is like trying to hold water in a wicker basket - You may think you got it for a few days but see the words again a week later and they're gone.

Thank you for reading, please subscribe to my blog for further insights like this one

other way around desu

>>42186228
>搗く
So it takes a whole island to hold rice and pound it? Nobunaga truly revolutionize that island...

>>42186309
This has made me paranoid about forgetting English vocabulary.

>>42186476
What If I am unable to catch what are they saying or they talk too fast. Written sentence is easier to parse to find out what is being said.

>>42186309
>maybe i should read every genres at the same time
read multiple series of ongoing manga weekly

>>42186541
>sci-fi vocabulary
>fantasy vocabulary
who gives a fuck if you forget what a lightsaber or an uruk-hai is

>>42186560
manga is not reading though

>>42186476
idk about the other guides but tatsumoto agrees, says you shouldn't read anything for like 1 year+, though part of his justification is that it will ruin your pronunciation/accent since it will introduce subvocalisation

>>42186582
enough to get some genre specific vocab

>>42186548
thats because you haven't listened enough
but also reading makes you better at catching what they're saying too
so just keep listening and reading

>>42186548
Do both. But I was the same way, I avoided listening for so long because no matter how much written japanese I learned it still sounded like complete gibberish while listening.

But it actually doesn't take that long to improve, I think all you have to do is listen with intention. Specifically the intention to distinguish the different syllables and parts of the sentence.
So even if you don't understand what's being said you can still listen, and just try to pick out stuff like the particles (like は, に, を). It's hard at first, but quickly starts to become easier.
After a while it'll almost seem like the language slowed down because it takes less effort to parse it.

>reading as a beginner is a meme
>listening as a beginner is a meme
>seeing the word for the first time is not learning
Truly a grim phase.

wtf why are 単行本tachis so 小さい

>>42186566
More like I don't read English books or novels anymore, only imageboard posts, so my English vocab will degenerate to the level of the average mongolian basket weaving forum poster.

>>42186622
paper is expensive and a precious resource

>>42186612
sometimes you instantly acquire a word as soon as you encounter it and look it up and you have it forever, sometimes the process of putting a word in an anki card causes you to get it then you just easy it, sometimes seeing it 3 times in context clicks it automatically without a lookup, sometimes you have to encounter a word 10+ times while reviewing it over a week in anki before it starts to click, it's pretty random desu. point is being surprised you forgot a word you just saw for the first time is because you have unrealistic expectations

always hated those questions

>>42186634
>sometimes you have to encounter a word 10+ times while reviewing it over a week in anki before it starts to click
me with 卑怯.

>>42186690
me with 愚痴る

>>42186670
same same
i had an english teacher who was a real cunt about stuff like this
she'd act like she personally knew the author, and any other interpretation other than her own was blasphemous

>>42186476
>just LISTEN to spoken material
what is the intention with this here? my only job watching the media is to listen to it, but do i also have to bother going through the trouble of understanding it? do I already have to know what is going on and my only job is to really just listen or is it ok to just let the words flow in regardless of meaning? what worked best for you?

>>42184469
Current thread: #3458

Previous threads:
>>42178506 #3457
>>42167817 #3456
>>42154282 #3455
>>42139885 #3454
>>42131275 #3453
>>42116657 #3452

>>42186801
depending on what stage you're at you literally can't understand it, you need to get used to the sounds first.
it helps to listen to simple YouTube vids and anime episodes you've already watched with subs instead of audiobooks and podcasts at the start

learned some things about the thread yesterday

>>42186801
Pretty much what I wrote here >>42186609
If it's still too fast for you then I would say the goal is to just parse the sounds, pick out particles and possibly words (even if you don't know what they mean), it was really effective for me, because even though I've heard japanese a lot already I just let it all flow through me and that doesn't work.
And when I first started trying this I realized I couldn't even pick out particles! It seems hard at first but quickly becomes easier. Like within a few days or weeks if you do it this way, at least just focusing on trying to actually parse the sounds and pick out particles, maybe even repeat some things you hear at first.

>>42186476
Reading voiced visual novel is 完璧 then

>>42186801
>>42186889
And just to be clear that's only the first stage. Once you can parse the language with less effort then the goal is to understand what's being said to build up spoken vocabulary. So that when you see the same vocabulary later as written words the kanji are more likely to stick in your mind.

I would also say you can do the same thing with reading alone, but put primary focus on associating the words meaning with the way it _sounds_ at first. And put secondary focus on the kanji.

https://streamable.com/qe0at4

>>42186943
women just don't give a fuck if they sound bad, it's a joke to them and whoever they're outputting to will bend over sideways to accommodate them
and they end up making it

>>42186476
>>42186801
>>42186938
Actually after talking about it a bit more I think I should refine what I was saying.
I think my main point is to just learn vocab primarily as sound+meaning. Because the mind is better at retaining that audio rather than a visual representation.

But whether you do it through listening or reading (but focusing on the sound primarily) is up to you.
I would recommend both.

>>42185295
it does not. try kklc if you must try anything like that or just learn japanese
>>42185370
it rains a lot in japan
>>42185398
listen more
>>42185504
god i love my japanese gf
>>42185665
(you)
>>42185881
GMI
>>42185915
based chad same
>>42186021
サロメ ch, miko ch, korone ch, koyori ch, marine ch, salome only does an hour a day but it has more speech than some peoples marathons. koyori is always on, enjoy
>>42186228
good afternooooon my friend!
>>42186476
good post
>>42186548
it doesn't matter because your subconscious will grab it anyway and the volume makes up for it
>>42186690
me with 戌神
>>42186801
trying to understand it is probably a requeriment, but you should eventually understand some if you listen enough no matter what you do
>>42186943
yoooooooroshiku!
>>42187000
true, god i love women

yoooo immersion!
https://youtu.be/o9kDf9RsAqo
https://youtu.be/tc1gWnD6Sd8
https://youtu.be/Ktk_EDLDPeY

yosh! gooood morning guys! japanese study time!

Daily Jamaican Thread

>>42187045
>サロメ

yoooooo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbmISsJuLKQ

>>42187045
Good morning, kind Anon

>>42187045
>right click
>save in wallpapers folder

thank you anon

>>42187058
i still choose to believe that anacreon's jamaican

Help me with this.
The whole sentence is:
須佐之男命は娘を妻にすることを条件に大蛇退治を約束し、毒の入った酒を作らせ、大蛇が酔ったところを退治した。
But only the last part is important:
大蛇が酔ったところを退治した。
I don't get that を. Doesn't seem like a marker for 退治, because he'd be "exterminating" the situation (ところ) itself instead of the snake. Dictionaries say ところを can mean のに, but this doesn't make sense at all.
According to English dictionaries を can "indicate time", but I can't find anything in Japanese ones, aside from stuff like 時間を過ごす, where verbs are specifically for actions related to time.

i never understood why monolinagul dictionaries are esteemed so high. sometimes understanding a word through it takes so long that if you do it several times you loose interest in what you are reading initially.

yes the understanding of the vocab is more deep - but you get distracted so hard from the story you follow.

>>42187095
skill issue

>>42187095
they're way better but don't force it if you're not ready yet

>>42187095
dyslexia? how do you monolingual like that?
dunno when i began id have to recursively look up the japanese words in the japanese definition because i couldn't read those either
eventually it clicked and im glad i did j-j definitions almost from the start despite what some very loud people here said at the time
there is value to understanding what the japanese definitions say beyond the definition itself.

>>42187089
https://wildnihongo.com/grammar/tokoro-da-in-the-state-of/

>>42187095
yeah, translation just takes 1 second to understand the meaning instead of description

>>42187065
ive come to greatly enjoy her ads kek

今日の曲
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0lV9lOhnQY

>>42187169
with some words yeah but not most of them, and a dictionary definition will let you click the meaning way faster than a single English word in most cases
in any case it's not a huge deal, cause you just need thr crappy bilingual definition to get in so you learn the real one in experience
that guy who made n1 in 9 months didn't switch to monolingual until 5 months in
as usual different methods are memes as long as you read and listen a lot

I like this one more
https://youtu.be/cvPbevWN1Wk

>>42187271
Fair

>>42187045
That Kanata anime video was great.

>>42187162
Thanks. I wish they explained why it's を of all particles, but at least there are some more examples, so I think I got this.
Meanwhile, I kept googling and even Japanese sites only say stuff like:
>（１）～ところ(を) ＝　～という状況なのに（すみません／恐縮です）
>（２）～ところを ＝　本来なら/本当なら～のに

Examples don't work for me. I can't read them too...

(either)

crazy how im the best at english and the best at nihongo in this thread

wtf, those aren't holos

>>42187404
You fucking imbecile.

>>42187409
There are more than three mistakes in that short sentence you posted.

lmao vinnie bros where you at

>>42187422
the only mistake is that you forgot to turn on your monitor

To think clearly is to write clearly.

to live is to die

>>42187449
no lol, if your thoughts are contained by language you're a little limited.

Hey guis im wondering what percent of the Japanese language is represented in anime dialogue? That might be phrased weird but I know anime speech is theatrical/cliched/cartoony. I've watched almost only shonen in my life so I imagine that limits the vocabulary

>>42187500
a lot but you have to search hard

新年には梅酒を読みますよ。

読む？

idomu

>>42187522
飲む...

>>42187500
There's honestly a huge vocab gap between that stuff and books
You can listen to a JP youtuber's 5 hour lecture on a shounen series, understand 95%+ of what he's saying, then open a VN and find an unknown word in every other sentence.
And then there are particular anime/manga which have way more rare vocab than other ones, either because they have enough exposition/narration to work in more literary language, or just for whatever reason that's the case. It's probably just an effect of me still not knowing Japanese, but I feel like there's a way bigger gap here than there is in English.

>>42187517
はいはいはいはい！
>>42187436
ive played master duel 558 times!

>>42187436
Where do I play vinnies? I only played one, the literature nonsense.

>>42187547
https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/18379/Yuzusoft_Collection/

>>42187547
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2887621

>steam
lol

>>42187563
seethe harder poorfag

>>42187563
my bad, if you dont play on PC
https://store-jp.nintendo.com/list/software/70010000055248.html

>>42187568
you being a retard wasting money isn't my problem

>>42187578
its chump change to me and a fortune to you pretty clear who the real retard is lmao

>>42187576
based

>>42187583
yeah the one that chooses not to get free things with no down sids when they have the option to do so

the down side is the vinny industry dying

>>42187594
no its the guy seething and stealing aka you

nothing wrong with buying a VN, buying it on steam when there are other options is highly questionable
as far as DRM goes steam is about the least offensive, but anything that has even a little less functionality when you pay for it than when you pirate it is pretty silly

>>42187583
I am poor.

I never bought anything in my life

>>42187630
buy a life

yooooooo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0lV9lOhnQY
Devola and Popola!

>>42187634
AOAT

>>42187611
you don't know what stealing means, sorry for your mental retardation. have my condolences

>>42187534
Why is there a such a big gap between vn’s and anime? It’s not just because they have more words right?

>>42187614
would buy anime too if there was a good service like https://video.unext.jp/ available in my region

>>42187649
you seethe because you cope because you steal because you're poor because you're retarded

>>42187459
>le noble savage meme
Unclear thinker found, go frolic with illiterate autistic children screeching at eachother.

>>42187687
based!

>>42187687
>can't entertain an idea without conflating it with the ideology of the people he first heard it from with which he involuntarily associates the idea
I rest my case
*smirks smugly and crosses arms like an anime man*

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a1PQzxR_460sv.mp4

>>42187666
>doesn't know what a word means
>calls others retards
must be hard being esl on an english website. my condolences

八重穴

>>42187709
yeah you'd know all about stealing and being an uneducated retarded poorfaggot loser seething at rich chads buying games and not being worthless leeches

v美人 bros, we got too cocky

vtubers learn and teach languages too?

>>42187736

>>42187746
yes
https://streamable.com/pha9pe

>>42187746
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSb0SJckbyneYPteMAMgtiQ
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_2LeRvLoqcbLZ1ATud5NxA

>>42187729
i accept your concession

>>42187746
https://streamable.com/pzi3l8
>>42187755
cute shahahark

https://streamable.com/21bppy

>>42187766
i didn't offer you anything thief
bet you "accept" things for free from shops all the time

>>42187755
yooooo wawa got guwwa and all the girls to do a christmas collab this year after all!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgoyMGh7MPI

got a 120HZ monitor for soother anime/drama immersion
but every additional monitor also means higher chances of getting distracted during immersion

i hope it all evens out in the end

>>42187810
the birb that saved christmas

>soother anime/drama immersion

>>42187755
I wonder what makes me dislike, or almost hate, that redhead.

>>42187814
based
i find having multiple streams open at once maximizes input per hour with minimal loss of comprehension once you get used to it
mixing the sound is the most annoying part, a good sound system is paramount,

ore ha linnies
(in regards to me, (i prefer) linnies (light novels))

>>42187827
namesimasu on one monitor, ki ni nagare on the other
clicking sounds on both speakers

how far can you realistically get with duolingo?

>>42187837
dame

>>42187821
shes unironically a really really cool girl when you get to know her
she worked her way up from /b/ lolcow to well, her dreams more or less
i don't really watch en stuff too much (or really at all with few exceptions), but shes always exhuding kino
and eh she couldn't talk at all and used a soundboard to stream anyway which is... above and beyond

>>42187837
would go all the way

>>42187814
>but every additional monitor also means higher chances of getting distracted during immersion
one for dictionaries, googling etc and all others with different contents for immersion. getting distracted is fine as long as you're getting distracted with more japanese

>>42187837
maybe i should stop learning japanese

>>42187837
i finished it and i still suck

>>42186119
RTK is the best method for kanji production. People who mention KKLC generally don't know what they're talking about.
>>42187045
Wrong. The value of KKLC is in using it as a reference, not as a method. It's essentially a dictionary.
>>42186123
KanjiDamage is fine as long as you're doing keyword to kanji. It's basically just RTK with a modified ordering.

>>42187872
yep kanken guy btfoing waruisimasu
you love to see it!

>>42187854
How do you know she was /b/ lolcow? She streamed before being a vtuber or what? I don't really think of them as people.

>>42187872
meant for >>42186064

>>42187837
yabeeee
>>42187854
kek the puppets were great
>>42187861
based
>>42187884
she essentially documented her whole japanese/idol journey online, streamed in nico nico before hololive
>>42187894
https://keystojapanese.com/

I'm 80% on mature cards
... is this bad?

>>42187913
it doesn't matter, hows your reading/listening? if you can recognize/understand the words in text, then it doesn't matter what happens in anki, anki is not your goal

>>42186119
>learn Japanese
>illiterate
Pick one. Stop projecting your own inadequacy simply because you lack willpower to get good.

cute serufu and purin

>>42187837
everything in this picture indicates she had unprotected セックス with total strangers at an anime convention

>>42187994
yeah with me

>>42187940
When you talk about this, are you referring to being able to write in Japanese? Is that the main benefit of RTK, not distinguishing kanji? It's very rare that I even write in English, so I'm not sure how much I care about this.

>>42188003
hope you wore rubber bro

>>42188008

>>42187854
>>42187904
wawa is literally me if i was a girl

>>42188020
vbased

>>42187994
not sure what says it most, the eye bags, the enderman dressed as a maid or the neon crucifix light

>>42188020
yabe

>>42187814
i literally stopped using my second monitor because of distractions when emulating games, everything was way better after that, even though a second monitor is technically more efficient
i even got a new GPU which only has displayport, no DVI, so I cxan't even use my 60hz monitor anymore, and I don't even care, I realized ip refer single monitor

>>4218769
*Covers ears*
LALALALALA I can’t hear you LALLALALALALA I win if you reply I won’t respond because I can’t hear you LALALALA

>>42187837
i think it can help you get started, because just like a million other things you can do, you can learn some vocab before you actually start with it. but it has no purpose once you've actually started learning the language.

>>42187861
yooo didnt have anything to look up so far but now im ready

>>42188145
yoooo tanumanko!

>>42187994
I should go to an anime convention

自動的に

it makes sense, except 的. It's strange.

>>42188103
so far ive noticed IME is a little weird on multiple monitors
it only shows the current language mode you're in on the main monitor

i also run my second monitor via DVI, so if i ever upgrade my setup ill be unable to use that one too

will playing games in JP be more or less fun than translations in the end?

tfw you finally graduate anki

>適当 can mean both proper and irresponsible
I hate context

>>42188298
>-ly (2)
>common adverbial suffix, forming from adjectives adverbs signifying "in a manner denoted by" the adjective, Middle English, from Old English -lice, from [...] identical with like (adj.).

If you remove -ly from defintely, it definite makes It sound weird.

>>42188427
It's literally the worst, right?

goood morning from japan
just creampied a bitch and now im eating フルーツサンド

>>42184469
Average OP. It's a step on the right direction. 7.2/10, practice has been comfy.

us just immersing like bros

>>42188444
>>42188427
it's actually easy desu

>>42188474
(My point was that "literally" also means its exact opposite "figuratively" depending on context. I don't think I got it across well though)

https://ja.hinative.com/questions/18626537
now i literally understand

>>42188506
>https://ja.hinative.com/questions/18626537
>文脈で判断します
成程.

wait it's supposed to 同人誌 and not 同人?

>>42188592
yeah 同人 make 同人誌

>>42188427
why have djters over several generations complained about this piss easy word

適当 and いい加減 fuck with everyone in the start

>>42188432
So you have teki (-ly) and ni (-ly)? Totallyly makes sense.

勝手 too

>>42188462
Damn. They also sell em in vending machines

Some fucking seed oil / sugar / goyslop brain damage has permanently crippled me. I didn't know I could read so quickly on coffee.

I usually have to reread sentences multiple times to assemble and comprehend them, even when I know all the definitions.
Except when I'm caffeinated, where I just speed through the same material as if I'm reading in my native language.
Now when I run into an unfamiliar word, I don't start all over again after I look it up. I just table it, look it up, and instantly re-interpret the sentence with the new information in mind.

I rarely drink coffee so I'm only just figuring this out now. Same length, same subject/author but I just read through it in 1/5 the time. What the fuck. I could have been fluent 4 years ago.

>>42188473
true

>>42188779
except when you start drinking coffee regularly , you'll adapt to it and lose the acute effects, drinking coffee will only bring you back to your crappy baseline

>>42188779
same, but opposite way. If I’m sleepy or drunk

laddering

>フルーツサンド
do nips really

Which language do you plan to learn after reaching your goal in Japanese if you plan to? Korean? Chinese? German?

>>42188779
how do you brew your coffee?

kinda fucked up how a kissing scene in rezu can make me nut faster than anything else

>>42188818
coke instead of sugar

>>42188818
just coffee and milk
I don't like sweet things in the first place, not a health reason.

crazy huh

>>42188826
lol

>>42188818
not him but i use a v60

check these 3 dubs in a row

You must be a pretty subhuman culture to use the same characters for bed and floor.

>>42188953
ok

>>42188972
i'm floored you think that

>>42187411
yorumi so cute!!!

>>42188972
retard

Can you read this?

啓蒙

>>42188944
nice

>>42188462
yooooo grats! WAGMI!
>>42188473
yooooo
>>42188533
yabeeeeeee
>>42188779
RATTAYA BROS GMI
>>42188986
true
>>42189027
erosu

todays kyoku!
https://files.catbox.moe/i20qad.webm

I'd like to know how these annoying sets of words like
収める 納める 治める 修める
came about, just so I at least have a name to curse.

>>42189074
did you learn those before learning words like 収集 or 治療 or something

>>42189053
cute kyoku
>>42189074
amaterasu willed it so

>>42188799

korean

>>42188944
based, same here

>>42188972
read The Conquest of New Spain.
guy who wrote it could never return to beds after sleeping on the floor during the campaign, continued to sleep on the floor deep into his golden years, based

>>42189101
excellent book

>>42188799
mandarin and maybe spanish

I only did anki today and didn't read...
although i did listen to mito for half an hour

>>42189126
gmi

>>42189073
ウケる

>>42188799
learning japanese has made chinese too interesting for me

Mined:
同じ穴の狢
fun expression. It makes me think of 穴兄弟

>>42189183
nice
this ones cool too
狸の皮算用

>>42189204
neat
https://kotobank.jp/word/%E5%8F%96%E3%82%89%E3%81%AC%E7%8B%B8%E3%81%AE%E7%9A%AE%E7%AE%97%E7%94%A8-586148

what the fuck happened to this guy lmao https://streamable.com/zlvjh
he went from trying to convince people that nuke is a nihongod to making videos teaching people how to use public transportation in japan https://www.youtube.com/@kokodoko/videos

>>42189124
I may learn Cantonese bc of Hong Kong movies

>>42188799
unironically english

How do i find japanese conversation partners ? Im fluent in two languages (ru and en) and i hypothetically can help people learn them, but most of the time i just get ignored on services like HelloTalk or Tandem. I dont put my real face on avatars there tho.
Maybe the solution is just to Chadfish, but it feels too dishonest and gross.

>>42189304
>How do i find japanese conversation partners ?
https://skypech.com

>>42189250
went from doing deep dives into nihongo to doing deep dives into a white woman
what an l

it appears that many japanese people think 漢検 is useless
just another reason why learning to write kanji is a waste of time

https://live.fc2.com/36345418/

>>42188360
Once you start to know Japanese, you can’t go back to translated works since most of them suck ass and converts only a fraction of the nuance.

>>42189382
yaaaaaaaaaabbeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>イメチェン！Hｶｯﾌﾟ19歳
>恥ずかしいけど処女です…
https://live.fc2.com/75856582/

YOOOOOOOOOO

>>42188427
It’s dead simple. 適当に(する) means doing some half-assed 99% of the time. 適当な usually means appropriate/suitable. So just remember the word’s adjective vs adverb usage.

mined 天衣無縫

>>42189405
>適当な usually means appropriate/suitable
except that's not true at all and 95% of the time it's not used with that meaning
適当なこと言うなボケ

>>42188745
的 isn't -ly, に is -ly
自動的 is an adjective not an adverb

>>42188779
coffee is goyslop, retard. Only use it for emergencies, otherwise you get addicted while also getting lesser sleep quality and overall having a decrease in cognitive activity once you use it regularly.

i will simply drink coffee regularly and use cocaine for emergencies

>>42189411
Shit, you’re right.
Amending my statement to if it describes an action or is an adverb, it means half-assed/irresponsible.
If it describes an appearance, it means suitable/fitting.

>>42189431
That's why I start every day with a monster

>>42189431
i drink coffee every day and sleep fantastically tho

havent seen a hakujin or kokujin in days

>Comiket101
More immersion(doujin) material coming soon...
https://twitter.com/GAHAHA_soko/status/1608229292701540354

coffee gives me ED and when the caffeine runs out i get a fever every time

coffe gives me anxiety

ordered a new hand grinder the other day looking forward to it

Free immersion
https://twitter.com/GAHAHA_soko/status/1331256900206223361

immersed

>>42189382
yabeee
>>42189398
yoshi fresh immersion
>>42189452 >>42189456
based gmi
>>42189470
nice
>>42189494
so much immersion!

>>42189183
mined from toradora B)

I'm sure I've seen 言 but the top line is vertical. I can't see it in the jisho radical list. What gives?

Do you think it would be beneficial to learn about radicals so kanji will be easier to remember?

>>42189681
>>42189694
go to /int/ this is the intermediate thread

yea doing a radicals deck for a couple weeks helped me quite a bit

>>42189694
All it really does it help your brain decipher things and stop seeing everything as the same spaghetti. It opens up mnemonic use but honestly that shit's for fags.

only 100k people speak japanese as their second language how is this even possible? are there not enough weebs?

>>42189721
Probably rounded up from 50k.

doubt most self taught people are actually included in that number

>>42189721
>There are almost 3x the ESLs than there are natives
God fucking help us.

>>42189681
its different when handwritten, welcome bro!
https://kotobank.jp/word/%E5%8F%96%E3%82%89%E3%81%AC%E7%8B%B8%E3%81%AE%E7%9A%AE%E7%AE%97%E7%94%A8-586148

>>42189720
Yeah, that’s exactly what I need. Thanks for your answer

嫉妬

>>42189721
don’t Koreans speak Japanese?

>>42189892
No, they only fuck their women.

>>42189721
There's hardly any reason to learn the language. Although I am a bit surprised by the magnitude. It's quite something that there are literally 700x more SpanishSL speakers than JSL.

>You can practice reading comprehension and output by having conversations with chatGPT in Japanese
I love the future

>>42189999
you can also do those things with irl jap women who like white boys

shut the fuck up normalfag

weekly kagejitu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPNoX0dvFl0

Is the Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon messing with me again or is 〜し overused in anime?

>>42190059
i was skipping these but theyre actually pretty good
>>42190078
p...picked up!

>>42190078
overused?
off the top of my head I feel it's very common in informal talk all over the place

currently in Japan but too scared to speak Japanese because I’m mediocre at it

>>42190025
Why would I talk to a real person when I can develop a parasocial relationship with an AI

>>42188427
Mitsuboshi Colors taught me

>>42190107
It shouldn't have taken so long to pick up something so common, I think I'm relaxing way too much during immersion
>>42190100
やったー！

>>42190159

why am i learning japanese?

>>42190597
because you touch yourself at night

it's a good mixture of exotic culture + quality content + challenging learning curve

Rushia vibes....vbijinbros....
https://www.twitch.tv/vedal987

バーチャル mined btw

i’ll never understand people who watch vtubers

>>42189721

because it's extremely difficult to learn. it requires autism(where have you learn it every day as a ritual)

6 minutes into the first ep of medaka box and i already wanna drop it

>>42190694

where you have to learn it every day as a ritual"

i bet more than 95 percent of people who begin to learn japanese give up within a year

i should have learned korean instead

i initially started learning japanese for nogizaka46. they are no longer hot. lmao

>>42190694
the virgin double subtitles with yomichan vs the chad whitenoising raw anime

>>42190737

>the chad whitenoising raw anime

there is no evidence this has actually produced japanese speakers

>>42190699
yeah i give up
>>42190720
true true
>>42190732
korean sounds like asshole, it's the dutch of asia

>>42190720
a month

95% of people probably give up before they even learn kana

english subtitles are so distracting, they very often completely restructure the sentence too which makes it even more of a gaijin crutch

The secret to learning japanese forever is learning it lazily. that's how i stuck with it for 6 years

if you study japanese for 5 hours a day you will feel burned out and will eventually quit

>picrel
LITERALLY RUSHIA DRAMA STORYLINE

on topic
immersion
https://youtu.be/9KMXZ04h8Zc

>>42190771
ye but you still suck ass after 6 years

>>42190788

yeah because i don't live in japan and i don't speak it regularly

i don't need to be able to speak it anyway. i just want to be able to know japanese

without going to japanese and speaking japanese you will probably never be able to speak it. i don't plan on ever being that proficient

>>42190800

without going to japan*

>>42190774
she's the ideal vtuber, none of that 3d baggage
a perfect boyfriend free girlfriend to all her viewers
and you don't need to pay her

>>42190771
that's because you don't find it fun
if you did you'd be decent by now
you like the idea of it more than the actual experience

i think you can know japanese without actually speaking it

there are hillybillies who know english but can't speak english well.

i want to be japanese equivalent of that

>>42190809

i doubt anyone would find learning japanese 5 hours a day to be fun

>>42190814
projection
consooming media is fun for a lot of people, adding a dictionary doesnt change it much and is part of the fun depending on your temperament

>>42190800
you suck at a lot more than that as evidenced by your screenshot

i watched 30 episodes of hxh in 1 day on my rewatch but its very rare that something tickles my fancy to that degree, i usually get bored after a few episodes nowadays

>>42190800
nobody said anything about speaking, nice deflection
he's obviously talking about your need for english subtitles on kiddy shows even after 6 years

>>42190837
HxH is truly special like that

i will never know japanese

>沿革
i continue to get btfod by boku no hero academia

is shinchan a kid show? he walks around naked and says perverted things

>>42190870
that wasn't considered inappropriate for kids, have you seen dragon ball

>learning japanese
>learn
LOL
IMMERSION >>> LEARN

>>42190853
why do I get the impression this is a slightly jaded oldfag feels btfo when he finds one new word for every couple chapters

after a certain point improving just relies on how entertaining the content ur consuming is, so a 5 hour session becomes very feasible for a lot of people. most people dont ever get that far, though

i looked up the target audience for shinchan. the target audience for shinchan are seinen . those are young adult males
it's not for kids

>>42190837
hxh is extremely bingeable
either that or dragon ball super is what ive watched most episodes of in a day

>>42190879
yeah i do kinda seethe if i see more than 2 new words per volume

>>42190870
Japanese and Western standards are different
In the west saint seiya was censored, no blood...
https://youtu.be/b966QeD_lZM

>>42190898

even the american version of shinchan was an adult show. it was on adult swim

the english version of dragon ball was probably heavily edited when it was on cartoon network

>he doesn't know about spanish shinchan being on the children's cartoon channel

i watch big boy shows
like isekai
made for big boy grown up salarymen that want to kill themselves

there is one episode where shinchan asks the teacher if he could see her oppai. i doubt that is for kids

>>42190930
dude, that's all over japanese kids' media lol
in the first chapter of dragon ball bulma tries to offer her butt in exchange for a favor from goku
bulma strips in front of a horny old man who does/says all kinds of lascivious things
and that's not uncommon in shounen especially of the 80s or the 90s, which is aimed at kids
remember the pokemon OP talks about the inside of a girl's skirt

learning japanese would be so much easier if there was a decent machine translator out there
sometimes im reading a manga and im breezing through 95% of the content but then the other 5% are long ass confusing phrases that im not sure im properly understanding
i have a japanese friend that sometimes helps me understand them but the guy has 2 kids and i dont want to keep bothering him whenever i have a question

>>42189694
the kangxi ones yes

>>42191003
deepl is decent

>>42190958
chinatsu is my favorite love live

>>42190958
He just didn't want to admit what it actually was

>>42191003
sounds like you're doing fine honestly
but if you want to master those 5% "long ass confusing phrases" much more quickly, the answer is to read a novel instead of manga. since there's little to no visual aid and the narration has to describe everything, the language is way more advanced by default, and that 5% will quickly begin to feel like the median difficulty of a novel sentences to you

>>42190597
VBIJIN!
>>42190652
KEK
>>42190720
never give up!
不可能を可能にする！
>>42190771
your perseverance is a never ending source of inspiration! WAGMI IT BROS!
>>42190774
i wonder what she was trained with...
>>42190814
ohohohohoh i once immersed for 15 consecutive hours in a battletoads stream
she didn't finish the game however she did break her finger
trick is enjoying your immersion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZhXnj2UnxA
>thats only 12 hours!?!?!?
she bumped with the stream lenght max
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11nkocxGEHc
japanese is a tale of overcoming adversity
>>42190820
this, goonet is my pikachu, it even has goo in the name
>>42190898
燃える小宇宙！！
ペガサス流星拳！
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeEzMaQiu78
>>42191003
i think it would be harder
what use would anyone have to learn it then?

tonights kyoku
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEw7Y_S6rLs

>>42191148
>what use would anyone have to learn it then?
people would still learn it so as not to waste time consulting a machine learning tool every 15 seconds while playing a japanese game or a reading book
for example, english. im ESL but i cant imagine myself browsing 4chan or reading an english book having to depend on google translator 100% of the time, and google translator is really fucking good nowadays for english

>>42191114
i will probably start reading the 慎重勇者 light novels right after i finish this manga

>>42191165
never watched omega past the first ep, like the original op better but thats not too bad
i wonder if theres more next dimension out yet
>>42191175
thing is, if it was possible to machine translate perfectly, everything would be in every languahe already, sans maybe audio, the only things without multiple language text would be things like ps5 games due to business practices, but on pc, some enterprising autist qould figure a way to have an overlay that ocrs and translates everything, so youd never even see the japanese
hell most manga in english rip sites is machine translated already, and it doesn't even do a good job
in the world of the future, nobody will ever have to do anything, and as cool as that is, it does mean nobody will know how to do anything either
i think anyway

>>42191182

How are you supposed to use example sentences when starting out in Anki? Right now I find them confusing as the inflections(?) make them completely different visually and audibly compared to the base form word I'm being asked to remember.

>>42191235
based

>>42191252
if you aren't used to inflections yet you might be too new for example sentences to be particularly worth your time honestly, they will feel like the same word to you eventually though

>>42191252
ignore them for now

accidently said ありがとう to the コンビニ店員 without the ございます