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yeah, jessica had a bright and sunny past

mooooooooooooooooooooooooon

Yeah, Natsuhi is a bit of a shitty parent.

Not hard to see Jessica culprit, even if it is lame.

jessica pretended to be a cheerful girl in the past
that's why she is so fucked up about battler and everything, she was really a sad person

I find it funny that Natsuhi in that same scene suspects shannon and dismiss suspiscion from Jessica right away, being the motive that she suspects Shannon easily proven a trap.

>>4218672
Why are shkanontrice fags so ''Natsuhi''?

ronery Natsuhi ;_;

>>4218659
Teatrice.

>>4218682
cause they'd have to admit that jessica is the one pretending to be beatrice

Goddammit Moon-chan!

FUCKING MOON-CHAN

>>4218691
I'm a Shkanontrice fan who takes the Fusiontrice approach; that is, Jessica was the one who created Beatrice, but she did so by fucking with proto-Shannon's head, in the process causing the original personality to fragment and form the Shannon and Kanon personalities.

>>4218672
Natsuhi is a tremendous retard in that scene to begin with. WHO KNEW I LIKED FALL? FUCK, IT'S SHANNON

Or the caller just placed four cards in Natsuhi's room. That works too.

>>4218730
that's the process everyone should take, jessica created beatrice and shannon vreated kanon for X traumas

>>4218750
I don't know, that's one too many people with DID for me.

It's like everyone on the island suffers from some kind of mental instability.

>>4218730
>>I'm a Shkanontrice fan who takes the Fusiontrice approach; that is, Jessica was the one who created Beatrice, but she did so by fucking with proto-Shannon's head,
That's the most retarded shit I've ever read.
And there is no foreshadowing about it whatsoever.
Only 2 people are really linked with the Beatrice of the gameboard, from what we saw, Kinzo and Battler.
We had no clues that could like Jessica to Beatrice.

>>4218760
Just like Higurashi!

>>4218750
Read >>4218730 again. I said I'm a Shkanontrice fan, implying that I like the theory that the Beatrice personality exists in Shkanon. (Considering all the hints that support Beatrice being Kanon and Shannon, after all.) I just think that Jessica was the person who created the Beatrice personality in proto-Shannon, which caused the original proto-Shannon personality to get fucked up and form Shannon and Kanon.

>>4218766
I'm suprised Rosa doesn't make a bigger deal about this, she meets the person she saw die.

>>4218730
How can you say something that stupid with a straight face?
I just don't get you Uminekofags.

>>4218777
Higurashi. Brain parasites. etc.

>>4218771
Which is pathetic, he's really going to rehash everything like that? Absolute garbage.

>>4218730
>Fusiontrice

KANON ACE!

>>4218766
Shkanontrice is terrible regardless of what approach you take. It totally wrecks the game, because it's essentially yet another 19th or 18th or 17th person X theory. You just shrug off all the red you don't like with some DID mumbo-jumbo, allowing you to blast through all the hard murders.

>>4218782
You should see Ookamikakushi.
It's basically Higurashi with wolf parasites instead of brain parasites.

>>4218760
>>Implying there arent more than 2 culprits

>>4218785
And that's why it's the answer of the game.
Your fault for expecting something good.

>>4218789
>Wolf parasites

SOLD.

>>4218785
> You just shrug off all the red you don't like with some DID mumbo-jumbo
The only red it truly affects is the red regarding the deaths of Shannon and Kanon.

>>4218791
>implying there is not one mastermind, because anything else would invalidate the mystery

>>4218789
Don't forget the rape.

>>4218797
We don't know if that rule of Dine applies to Umineko yet.

>>4218791
>>4218797
>implying
These threads always attract the biggest retards.
I wonder why.

>>4218796
Which makes murders like EP3 Nanjo a piece of cake.

>>4218810
I'll give you a hint:
>>>/v/

>>4218797
One mastermind =/= one culprit =/= one murderer

The mastermind can be someone like Kyrie for example and Shkanon and Moon chan are just being manipulated in this story. (Superior end btw)

>>4218812
No. Battler closely examined Shannon's body in Episode 3, before Nanjo died. Shannon was dead. He did not, however, closely examine the bodies of Kyrie, Hideyoshi, and Rudolf, and their deaths were not confirmed in red before Nanjo's death. Either Kyrie or Hideyoshi, most likely Kyrie, killed Nanjo.

Why this convoluted "Fusiontrice" shit?

Why can't it be Jessica culprit, with Shkannon accomplice?

Jessica doesn't need to think she's Beatrice to dress up like her. She could just as easily be using the illusion of the witch to obfuscate the truth.

>>4218638
Natsuhi - Mother of the year, all years.
FUCKING MOON-CHAN is most likely pissed off about that bullshit.

>>4218822
Because this.


...Beatrice.
Listen carefully.
I will turn over my love for Battler to you.
Become the woman Battler desires.

I will give you the blonde hair he desires.
I will give you the blue eyes he desires.
I will give you the new personality he desires.
And... In place of me, love him.
And if possible, be loved by him.

I can no longer love him.
The feelings I could not obtain...the feelings I could not bear...please obtain them.

From this day forward, you are no longer the phantom of Rokkenjima who only plays tricks.
From this day forward, you are the ruler of Rokkenjima, and the one who waits for him to return until he fulfills his promise.

From this day forward, you will inherit that in my place.
Thus, from this day forward, you are no longer me.

I will push all of my suffering on to you... Please forgive me for being the only one to become happy.

From this day forward, you have the qualifications to detest everything.
You are the Golden Witch, Beatrice.

And someday.
Destroy everything, revive everything.
...Bless all lovers.

At that time.
...For both you and I to find happiness together...I will be wishing for from the bottom of my heart.

From this day on, you are not me.
From this day on, I am not you.
We will divide one soul, and share.
That naturally won't fill up one soul, but. (? not 100% sure about this line)
Surely it will allow (us/you/me? no subject defined) to see more dreams than a person.
May we be blessed...
My cute Beatrice...

>>4218817
Kyrie is a pretty shitty mastermind, considering she was killed first round in 1 and 2, and then gunned down relatively quickly by Hideyoshi in 3.

>>4218821
There is a fake body for Shannon around.
Pretty clear seeing episode 1, and it's never denied in red that it couldn't happen.

>>4218830
This makes more sense to Jessitrice than to Fusiontrice you know.

She can be only speaking to herself.

>>4218830
What is this trying to prove?

This doesn't invalidate Jessica as the culprit, or pretending to be Beatrice.

>>4218830
Yeah, this. It kills both the straight up Shannontrice theory and the Jessitrice theory, because it implies the creator is recieving happiness, or at least believes she will.
Shannon and Kanon are limited. They literally can't experience love, basically, inferior to the Beatrice persona. The creator, however, is superior to the Beatrice persona.

In a nutshell, this bullshit involves more than one person, because the creator can't be limited like Shannon and Kanon are. So it's quite possible, and, dare I say with how fucking sketchy Moon-chan tends to be, proable that it went down like that.

>>4218830
It's Sayo talking to the Beatrice persona.
Think of it like Xenogears, with Fei DID.
Sayo is the coward, the first personality.
Beatrice is ID, the murderous personality that had all the pain pushed upon her.
Shannon and Kanon are Fei.

>>4218840
But there are problems with that. The person in question is saying that they're creating Beatrice to take over their feelings for Battler, so that they can go off on their own and do their own thing. But they also say that they want Beatrice to get Battler to love her, if possible. That wouldn't exactly work out if the person was creating the personality in their own body. As well, Shannon and Kanon state in Episode 6 that they were created due to the sin of the person they refer to as "father".

>>4218845
Eh...Jessica is ''blood related'' to battler you know, so independent of the reason she couldnt love him, but Beatrice created inside of Jessica could.

Meanwhile Jessica is free of unhappiness by killing her feelings (for battler) the same way she does with the Jessie/Jessica thing in EP2.

>>4218860
Beatrice can only love Battler if she's revived.
To be revived Beatrice has to kill almost everyone in the island (their family).
Jessica cant love Battler while her family exists.

Makes sense to me

>>4218860
>>But they also say that they want Beatrice to get Battler to love her, if possible. That wouldn't exactly work out if the person was creating the personality in their own body.

Why?

Sayo had to give up her feelings for Battler because it involved too much pains for her, that's Battler's sin.
It's pretty logical that she pushed these feelings unto Beatrice, alongside all the other bad things.
That's why Beatrice is such a melting pot of murderous witch and LOVE LOVE BATTLER.

>>4218860
Again, why make it complicated by saying they're creating a personality within themselves?

They're pushing all their love off onto "Beatrice", who eventually gains self awareness in the meta world from it. Bernkastel was created in a not so dissimilar way.

This is Ryukishi, Hanyuu became a demigod, even though she was a mortal being, just because the people of Onigafuchi believed she was a god. This is well within his level of retarded.

>>4218852
Nah, that won't work. If Sayo created Beatrice, she would have no problem with George. And yet, her furniture status prevents her from loving him(not really, but she thinks it does).

If Sayo was the creator, she should not have any problem with love. And yet, she does.

>>4218884
It could make sense unless george

>>4218839
You can explain all the murders without needing to use a body double who looks exactly like Shannon. In Episode 1, there was no actual "corpse" of Shannon in the shed, just something that would very much resemble one; say, a mannequin. In Episode 2, Jessica fakes her death with Nanjo's assistance (using an insulin-induced coma, which was stated by Dlanor to be a viable theory in Episode 6). In Episode 3, Kyrie shoots and kills George, then kills Nanjo. In Episode 4... well, Episode 4 is a clusterfuck, and any number of things could have happened.

There is NOTHING that could point to Jessica loving Battler.
And making your maid have DID just so that she could get your man so that you could get your love by proxy is so very stupid I can't believe anyone can think about it.

>>4218839
Impossible without an accomplice. If Shannon is fake, then Kanon is real, locking him up inside the chapel. Kanon has to be the fake (making for logistical hell when moving the body, by the way) and Knox's 8th makes it hard to assume someone freed Kanon.

>>4218821
I'd like some source on that. Read that part recently, I don't recall him 'closely examining' anyone in that scene. The best I got was pic related (don't mind the notepad, it's largely unrelated, and wrong too), but I might have missed something.

>>4218889
Sayo =/= Shannon.
Sayo probably went to sleep, like the coward.
Shannon was "created" too, she isn't the original.

>>4218884
and this couldn't have been Jessica because....

>>4218896
>>Impossible without an accomplice. If Shannon is fake, then Kanon is real, locking him up inside the chapel.
There is a simple way around this.
If the body can look like Shannon, it also can logically look like Kanon, no?

The fake body was used to be Kanon in the Chapel, Shannon herself was faking her death.
She then went outside by the windows.

>>4218907
Because nothing point to Battler making a promise to Jessica 6 years ago.
Thus there is no "sin" between her and Battler.

Episode 3, we know that Battler did have a promise with Shannon.

>>4218895
Even less points to Shannon loving Battler, they interact with each other far less than Jessica and Battler, and even when they do, it stays pretty professional, EP1 tit groping notwithstanding.

But someone around Battler's age was in love with him in the past, and is on the island. That is an irrefutable fact. It's either Jessica, Shannon, or by some clusterfuck, Kanon.

>>4218895
Its a estabilished fact that Beatrice loves Battler.
If we want to interpret it as someone loving Battler, Shannon and Jessica are the only way out.

We know that Battler was known for doing embarassing things and too for being close to Jessica and Shannon.

We know that Battler declared himself to Shannon (and this is the basis of the shkanontrice shit) but we also know that he and Jessica were really close and always brawled, and we know that Jessica is such a tsundora with family issues.

I guess its plausible

>>4218927
Once again, Shannon =/= original Sayo.
Also 6 years ago, Battler promised to Shannon, who was the original Sayo at that time, that he would come back for her.

>>4218916
Sorry, wasn't clear. That's exactly what I meant by
>Kanon has to be the fake

>>4218926
It could just been a hint you know, even more because Shannon talks about it normally AND is happy and merry with george.

But its also mentioned that that wasnt the only embarassing thing that Battler did at that time tough.

>>4218926
Jessica disguised as Shannon to get near Battler
Shannon was lying in ep3 to make battler remember and avoid the massacre, that easy
the thing about the personality is because of OP's image and a possible Kinzo rape, she possibly was just pretending all along

>>4218935
>Once again, Shannon =/= original Sayo.
Okay, fucking really now?

Sayo is in love with Battler, who creates Beatrice when she discovers she can no longer love him. She creates Kanon some time also, and to become a better servant, creates Shannon. Jesus fucking christ, this theory gets dumber and dumber.

>>4218935
The issue here is that Sayo was deleted.
The creator was meant to find happiness, or at least act on her own, not dissapear entirely.
Hence, Fusiontrice. It's the only way that has two entities, Beatrice and the Creator, who both are given freedom.

>>4218949
Fusiontrice implies that Jessica is fucking insane, where's the foreshadowing of that? (Knox is your friend)

>>4218946
>>Jessica disguised as Shannon to get near Battler
Are you even trying?

>>4218947
Not my fault if Shannon and Kanon KEEP SAYING that they were created, that they aren't humans, that they don't have a full soul.

They can't fucking keep repeating this shit, how could you forget it.
Shannon and Kanon are at the same level, they were both created, neither of them can be the original.

>>4218939 again
And what I meant by logistical hell is that Shannon would have to take the chapel key from Krauss and Natsuhi, kill them, move their bodies to the arbor, get Kanon's fake corpse all the way over at the chapel, redress it as Shannon, drag it back to the mansion and place it back in the original room without being noticed, doing it all within a 20-30 minute timespan.

>>4218955
Genji says that kind of thing too, are you implying that Genji = Shannon = Kanon = Beatrice?

ARE YOU SAYING THAT ITS GENJITRICE NOW ANOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON?

>>4218954
Well, let's see... who beats up her classmates with a set of brass knuckles in Episode 2?

>>4218955
Right, well enjoy your theory that Sayo's body houses almost as many personalities as there are people on the island, I'm sure the fiction faction can get along with you.

>>4218960
>implying that wasn't obvious slice of life high school antics, complete with goofy sound effects

>>4218960
Almost every female TSUNDORA in novels/animes.

It doesnt reffer to mind control or brainwashing as well, just to plain violence.

>>4218959
You fool! Obviously Genji is a persona created by the original suave Ronove. This persona is incompetent in many ways, this is foreshadowed by Ronove being able to bake delicious cookies whereas Genji cannot (which is why they hired Gohda)!

>>4218959
Actually, doesn't Genji simply refer to himself as furniture, but not much more than that? I don't remember him ever having the same sort of "furniture" complex as Shannon and Kanon.

>>4218949
>>We will divide one soul, and share.
Sayo divided her "soul" in 2 (later 3) and therefore the original her is no more but it's likely that Sayo minus love for Battler and all the witch bullshit is Shannon.
So Shannon was created but she is also very close to the original.

>>4218969
You'd think so, right?

But Jessica put on brass knuckles. Items intended to inflict grievous harm on others.

>>4218973
He not only does that as he scolds Shannon to remain as a furniture in EP1...or it was EP2? FUCK THAT.

Genjitrice is the truth

Genji was maybe mindfucked to become the perfect furniture by Kinzo too.

>>4218982
Nah, >>4218972 has it right. Genji is Ronoue Ronove.

I see this thread made me facepalm even harder at the current theories, I wasn't sure that was possible.

>>4218992
Its his third personality.
You know you want a homolust ronove x battler end.

>>4218954
You want signs of insanity?
Well, lying to Battler all the damn time might be a bit of a tip-off.
Funny how a Shkanontrice person tries to fall back on Knox, though.

>>4218988
Actually, Kinzo apparently treated Kanon pretty well. He'd take him out hunting, let him in on pranks that he'd play on the family... It was pretty interesting to be shown that side of Kinzo that we hadn't seen before, actually.

>>4219020
Except im a Jessitrice + Shkanon person

>>4219020
>Well, lying to Battler all the damn time might be a bit of a tip-off.

Is lying a sign of insanity now? Kyrie and Rudolf lied to Battler all the time about his birth. Guess they're insane murderers too, now.

>>4219024
You chose a pretty bad example there. Kyrie was planning on killing Asumu, and the only thing that stopped her from doing so was Asumu dying on her own.

>>4219032
Everyone was lying about Kinzo, so i guess Krauss, Natsuhi and all the servants except Gohda are insane

There, a better example

>>4219041
>>4219032
You're my heroes. Thanks for not making look like a total idiot there. By the way, where is that snippet about Kyrie from? EP6?

>>4219055
Yeah. The situation involved is a bit complicated, but suffice to say that it results in an awesome fight between Kyrie and Jessica.

What is Kanon's work?

>>4219084
I... have no clue...

>>4219084
Kinzo likes little boys

>>4219084
Gigolo.

>>4219084
Fucking George.

>>4219084

>>4219021
>>Actually, Kinzo apparently treated Kanon pretty well. He'd take him out hunting, let him in on pranks that he'd play on the family... It was pretty interesting to be shown that side of Kinzo that we hadn't seen before, actually.

The manga is so full of clues it's unbelievable.

Kanon is the same age as Shannon, so why do she say that he is still a "child".
Maybe because he was created 3 years ago.

>>4219116
There's even a bit where Shannon pops up in a corner of a panel and makes a fourth-wall-breaking comment about something. Because the comment breaks the fourth wall, you'd think it was just a gag of some sort, but....

>>4219122
FUCKING MOON-CHAN

>>4219084
>>4219116
>>4219122
Fuck, I seriously need to replay Episodes 1 and 2.

>>4219122
Manga's pretty interesting, yeah.

Fucking crazy bitch

Is the Manga worth reading? How closely does it relate to the VN, and would it be a good time to read it since I've just finished ep 5.

>>4219223
It's better than the anime, a bit heavy on the crazy faces though.
Pretty good & 07 claims it's full with hints or something.

>>4219225
sounds good, it seems like a much better alternative than playing the VN again in anticipation of the ep 6 translation

>>4219238
MEANWHILE AT WITCH HUNT

>>4219238
Well i'd use the VN for reference but the manga is a good substitute.

>>4218839
So nano-ka?

>>4219342
Welp. I guess Kyrie killed Nanjo after all.

>>4219342
That was for episode 5, Shannon didn't die in it.
Also it doesn't say anything about things that could pass for corpse.

>>4219356
The only episode that would apply to would be 1, and that's pretty much confirmed at this point.

>>4219356
Don't do this man.

>>4219356
>that was for episode five
I think it's pretty clear that it applies to all games. You are right about the possibility of something resembling a corpse, though.

>>4219342

If we take this further and assume someone is masquerading as someone else, and using that person's corpse as a distraction, this can also mean that the culprit never dies. Or at least never leaves a corpse. (hello bomb)

>>4219366
Don't do what?
Something had to pass for Shannon's body in episode 1, Kanon was there after all.

>>4219356
> That was for episode 5, Shannon didn't die in it.
Doesn't matter. Bringing a corpse to use as a body double onto the island would have to be done before the game starts. Since no corpses as body doubles existed on the island in Episode 5, they didn't exist in any of the previous Episodes either.

>>4219371
How about, it was Shannon.

>>4219225

Look at Kyrie. Just look at her. She's fucking dressed to kill. I still believe my theory that she has a contract hit on Krauss, courtesy of the people Krauss is in debt with who's connected with a few of Kyrie's friends. She'll do anything to bail Rudolf out after all.

>>4219380

"No corpses exist except those characters who appeared in the story."

This just means that the culprit never leaves a corpse and just plants the corpse of the person he's impersonating. Not that there are no body doubles.

>>4219400
Shannon and Kanon are the same person. There is no additional corpse to use.

>>4219381
Then solve the 17 vs 16 and Kanon's closed room for me.

Shannon, that was Beatrice at that moment, could be playing dead in episode 3.
Battler didn't look at her, he was too busy with George.

>>4219405
Yeah, "No one could mistake a different person for Kanon" and "A different person could not take his name" prevents it from being Kanon, and there are no clues whatsoever that Shannon died before the conference.

>>4219419
It was either that, or Kyrie survived, killed George and possibly killed Beatrice as well, if she was indeed still alive in Shannon's body, then killed Nanjo.

>>4219419
Yeah.
If people think Kyrie or Hideyoshi could be playing dead (they were seen by Battler too) then Shannon could also be playing dead.

>>4219024
Rudolf was lying. Kyrie clearly believes Asumu is the mother.

>>4219419
except she was right next to George, so.

Natushi is Kinzo's wife.

>>4219446
Or it was Hideyoshi who went to save his wife.

If there is no fake corpse, it would explain why the closed rooms were made that way in episode 3.

>>4219462
She was under George, he didn't look at her.

>>4219468
True.

>>4219419
See my problem with this is that Shannon was stated to have died instantly. So the personality is dead, but the body is alive.

It doesn't make sense to me. People say that Jessica in EP 2 could be alive because of the corpse thing and because she wasn't declared dead. But Shannon, who was declared dead and died instantly, can somehow still walk around with a different persona.

Contradictions anybody?

>>4219474
If he wanted to look at George he would need to take George off Shannon. Ergo he would see Shannon's wound.

What a shitty VN this has turned into, that we have to actually take into question whether bodies are actually dead.

A competent detective would know this, and cut such ridiculous lines of reasoning out.

>>4219468
Kyrie is the only one whose Episode 3 Executed TIP mentions that the spot where she received her wound (in Kyrie's case, her stomach) "isn't a very lethal spot".

>>4219484
I blame EP 6. We were all fine with laughing at Shkannon after EP 5 and then EP 6 comes and bang. Shkannon is apparently confirmed and most people want to add the Beatrice personality to that.

>>4219421
Wheelbarrow.

>>4219494
The wheelbarrow had fertilizer in it. I think Battler would be able to tell if he was carrying a corpse, since fertilizer doesn't tend to be solid.

>>4219480
...Wait a minute. What was Beatrice's definition of "instant death" again? Because there might be a loophole in there for it. If I remember correctly, she stated that the person could still be alive and die slowly, but could not move their body from then on. She didn't say anything about someone else (say, another personality) being able to move the body.

>>4219499
I'll check the EP 3 battle and get back to you on that.

>>4219489
Died in the hall of the mansion,
his chest pierced by a stake-shaped
weapon. How careless. He was still living......
Same thing as Kanon in EP1, not an instant kill.

>>4219499
>She didn't say anything about someone else (say, another personality) being able to move the body.

...You have got to be kidding me.

>>4219509
That's R07 for you.
LOL LOOPHOLE.

>>4219494
What, with the giant bag?

Battler picked it up, he's hopelessly retarded if he mistook a body for a bag of soil or whatever.

>>4219526
But Battler IS hopelessly retarded.

>>4219529
No, he's merely incompetent.

BUT! Why couldn't the bags of fertilizer themselves be used to simulate a body for the first twilight of Episode 1?

>>4219502
Back. Here's the cap

>>4219543
That's a fair enough theory.

Battler is a fucking idiot, but there's no way he could pick up a human body, and not know it's a human body.

He's just stupid enough to mistake fertilizer for a body, though.

>>4219549
Which means Shannon's body couldn't have even moved, even if she had a third personality.

>>4219558
No, it just means that Shannon and Kanon became incapable of action.

>>4219558
So both Shannon and Kanon died instantly in completely separate rooms?
All is well and all, but considering that there 99% chance that they are the same person, can't work.
Which is why you have to use the loophole.

>>4219512
Actually, no, that's not R07 for you, that's retarded faggots who actually think that "personas" can die and move bodies.

>>4219585
Well 18 people vs 17 people, only way to solve it, etc...

>>4219593
Battler never said exactly 17 people, just 17. And in addition, just because someone can't come up with another theory doesn't mean that the garbage that someone else came up with is true.

>>4219572
problem: with this red text that means only victims are inside.

"Beatrice" didn't die, so she can't be a victim and no others exist in the rooms.

>>4219611
You are no better if you can't bring an alternative.
And BattlerxBeatrice said 17 persons aka １７人, try harder.

>>4219613
Very well then. Shkanontrice was killed in the first twilight, Kyrie shot George (because I see no reason why Hideyoshi would), then went and shot Nanjo.

>>4219613
This theory is like a malignant tumor, it keeps adapting in fucking stupid ways to keep surviving.

I'm fine with accepting Shkannon, but the backflips and twists needed for Shkannontrice is just too much for me to swallow.

>>4219627
How can ShKanontrice die in 2 completely separate places?

>>4219625
>try harder
Stop saying that. You didn't even read my post. Yes, 17 people. If I have two dollars, I can say I have one dollar. It's still true. I also have another dollar. Therefore, they can say that there are 17 people on the island, yet there can still be, say, 18 people because they didn't say that there were EXACTLY 17.

>>4219613
If the personalities were "killed", they are victims too.

>>4219613
HURR DERP SHANNON TOOK THE BEATO PERSONALITY AFTER THAT TEXT HERP DERPY DERP DERP

>>4219638
that's the point.

Beatrice is a personality, but it says only victims exist. Beatrice isn't dead so she isn't a victim and no one else exists inside the rooms.

this puts a hole into the idea that Beatrice went and killed Nanjo. This red text means she can't even exist.

>>4219634
There are multiple variants of the Shkanontrice theory. Some argue that Shkanontrice being the culprit in that case, but others (myself included) argue that they are being used as a pawn. This is supported by something from the end of the Episode 6 hidden tea party.

Bern slowly lifted up a black piece. That was the piece that represent Beato. A piece that is sometimes a king... Sometimes a queen, a knight... But that is only when it is promoted. Right now it is but a pawn... A garbage piece. So the placement of the pieces... From then on, the witches' game begins. And so Bernkastel slowly raised up
Beato's piece.

Initial position...

D8 - Beatrice.

Note that while Bernkastel does indeed place the piece in the position of the black queen... she never promotes it. So it's still a pawn.

>>4219636
Japanese doesn't work that way, also work on your logic.

The way Erika stated the number of people was in a "numbered" kind of way, saying that she is the 18th visitor.
Which is true since she is the last one to come.

Battler and Beatrice corrected her saying that including her, there is 17 humans.
The phrase they used doesn't have any loop hole, the red text wouldn't allow it.
There is simply 17 humans including Erika on the island.

>>4219635
Is it stated in red that they each died in their individual rooms?

>>4219645
> Beatrice isn't dead
Unless Shannon's body was killed, in which case she would be.

>>4219661
Yes.

>>4219669
please see
>>4219549

Shannon is definietly dead. She was stated dead and died instantly.

However Shkannontrice fags still say the Beatrice personality is alive. Except Ronove's red in >>4219613 makes that impossible too.

>>4219677
Kanon was also dead.
So they were both victims in 2 completely different rooms.
Which doesn't work with ShKanon, obviously.

>>4219677
>>4219669 here. I happen to be a supporter of Shkanontrice, but don't believe them to be the culprit. I believe Kyrie to be the one who killed Nanjo.

>>4219687
I agree with you. Although I like Shkannon better than the 'trice' addition, I still doubt them being the ultimate mastermind.

Shkanontrice fags are drowing themselves more and more every second.

What's the problem people? Why cant you guy accepts the awesomeness what is moontrice?

>>4219700
Moon can't work without ShKanon you know.

>>4219703
Shkanon is easy to prove, excluding that EP5 bullshit.
The real shit is Shkanontrice.

>>4219657
Uh...maybe you need to work on your logic. What I said still applies.

>>4219703
That's fine, Shkannon can be Moon's accomplice, but there is no way that apeshit maid is the culprit.

>>4219613

Huh? I really don't follow your logic. You don't need to be "dead" to be a victim.

If Jessica is Beato, then are we going to have a wincest end?

>>4220027
in this case 'victim' is referring to the six dead people in the rooms. I see no reason for Ronove or Beato to twist it, if they are trying to help out Battler.

>>4220066

No matter who the culprit is, there's going to be doujins of Battler fucking them.

>>4220066
We aren't even sure who's Battler's parents are, if she is Beatrice then he will be not related to her.

>>4220081
Are there any doujinshi of Battler fucking "unidentified culprit X" out there?

>>4220081
And those doujins will never get scanned.

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>>4220094
not that I've seen

>>4220094
I've seen thousands of "faceless male fucking some female character", but never the opposite.

>>4220138
because only gay guys want to see guys getting fucked by women.

that and japan thinks women are inferior and can't be allowed to top unless they're complete sluts.

>>4220147
Well, with Moon-chan, you can have her rape Battler in a doujin, because she's the big bad evil culprit, and evil means you can do stuff like that.

>>4220138
Faceless female fucking some male character, or female character fucking some faceless male?

>>4218638
Oh, Natsuhi. You mean well, but you really are an idiot, aren't you?

>>4220289
She and Rosa must get along well.