/jp/ - Otaku Culture

yosh new thread

yooooo

we don't want vtumors here
vtumor thread is
>>>/int/djt
>>>/vt/

>>42178523
The bedroom cum study demon.

>>42178538
...shes welcome to study whatever she wants...

its not CHRISTmas anymore, stop it

今日の曲
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jM0fUAR2xg

>>42178506
10/10 OP. Love clown fennec fox. Love Christmas. Simple as.

>>42178523
>>42178598
>only 12 episodes

its mappa so it should be back soon enough... hopefully...

https://mangareader.to/read/chainsaw-man-colored-edition-56074/ja/chapter-1

gooooood night

曲s of the day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNe8WYigrkU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08J6WAmX100

immersion of the day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szUbg1Yar5c

>>42178530
wrong, we all acquire japanese through vbijins here

>>42178506
Current thread: #3457

Previous threads:
>>42167817 #3456
>>42154282 #3455
>>42139885 #3454
>>42131275 #3453
>>42116657 #3452

>>42178710
yoooo
https://youtu.be/i8n4iY2FGrA

>>42178710
goood nightu!
us just acquiring japanese like bros

>>42178710
holy vbased

>>42178735
damn that was great

i feel like im not improving, im just getting used to the pain

>>42178795
whole live was amazing but that song stole the show
shes an amazing singer

>>42178735
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-hRYCpm8wQ

>>42178842
https://streamable.com/qnctm9
such a great kyok

>>42178842
yoooooo shes on
https://youtu.be/YgoyMGh7MPI
takokino

Acquired かもな...

>>42178884
...what the actual fuck/this is why im learning japanese...

>>42178894
acquire 鴨が葱を背負って来る

acquired clicking sounds

>>42178894
cute miko

>>42178921
フワフワ

>>42178506
Awful OP, it poison the practice of a great language. 2/11, baby Jesus is still crying.

>>42178831
that's good
you'll make it next year for sure

>>42178937
yes but djt already died from poisoning

How do I get the fire back?

>>42178937
>>42178952
improvise, adapt, overcome

>>42178884
...orange woman does it again...
>>42178933
kawaiiiii!

>>42178966
remember why you began in the first place >>42178884

>>42178952
>poisoning
*discord

>>42178884

出航！

I think I am watching a vtuber belonging to an agency...

all wawa

>>42179103
>the more i do this the more i go "maybe i am crazy"...

>>42179130
mentally yay

dearest new friends trying to learn japanese as their new year's resolution
the rtk
based

yay chads cant stop winning

>>42179177
I stopped at 煩. Then I just searched radicals. Then I just stopped altogether.

You clearly don't understand what RTK is designed for. It won't teach you individual meanings of kanji. It will only teach you (burn in, really) the character themselves, without any meaning stack to them. The keywords and stories are there just to help you remember the character, they are not supposed to stick in your brain and represent any meaningful information connected to the particular kanji. RTK will give you a firm grasp over a character. Then you can start learning it's readings in a whatever way you prefer. Also, it will teach you the stroke orders, which is actually very fucking important because of the dictionaries with handwriting recognition.

>not motivated to fix his shit after he got called out for the mess he's done
lmfao

RTKに逢うてはRTKを斬る。
暗記に逢うては暗記を斬る。
ディジティーの理ーーーここに在り！！

yoooo mined 酸鼻

>>42179238
literally who?

me, i acquired 呷る today

mined 麾下

>>42179260
anki's tranny dev

never did rtk
remember them anyway chads stay winning

I tried to do without it but then, when reading manga, I would, with great effort, learn a new word only to forget it 5 minutes later because those fucking alien scribles just wouldn't stick in my brain. That was the most annoying thing for me when learning moon and RTK helped greatly here. In my opinion. I would always recommend it to a complete beginner.

>>42179287
i would not, when i began it was the same but eventually it changed, and i didn't have to take a huge detour for it, just literally "read more"
it wasn't instant but i cant even remember what kanji used to look like
they all look like something now, even ones i don't know
never used yomichan either so i imagine people who did and covered more ground have an easier time too

>>42179310
2 kanji an hour is insanely inefficient. Get RTK and go through them systematically. You should be able to do 10 an hour at least. Use Koohii and its app for your spaced repetition needs. You're not a kid anymore so rote memorisation won't be as effective. Use your wizened adult brain to create mnemonics, stories and images stick in your brain in a way that scribbles just won't.
Yeah you won't learn any vocab or pronunciation, but first priority is getting those kanji into your head in an efficient way.

>>42179321
lol
you don't even know japanese stop giving advice

i think its pasta

>>42179331
I'm around N2 level, and I think I agree with this. Frontloading the grammar first through books and flash cards will save you a lot of time trying to learn stuff. Memorizing like a thousand-odd grammar concepts made things a lot easier to understand, functionally. I'm gonna plug tackling kanji as a first step, though (which can be done together with grammar)

I think learning to write/read kanji through something systematic like RTK and using the AJATT method to immerse and save sentences is pretty great too, as a first step, but the "japanese people don't even know how to write kanji" meme has people rallying against learning kanji in lieu of words. It's been extremely useful for me and acquiring words with minimal effort now that I can write 2100 kanji or so, and in a few months of RTK, I got much more kanji knowledge than in the years spent learning words.

>>42179274
same

Take a good look beginners, this will be you if you don't do RTK.

>>42179342
>Frontloading the grammar first through books and flash cards will save you a lot of time trying to learn stuff.
what is that claim based on besides "i did it this way and now i need to justify that i spent time on it even though it may not have been necessary"

>>42179372
https://streamable.com/1l1om0

>>42179375
You're a retard because you start off your argument implying one cannot use any other tools while doing RTK, just the book, which is not how one should be doing RTK.

So basically according to you, simply because KD or KKLC have more or less everything already built in they're strictly better than RTK; in other words, they take up one Firefox tab instead of 3 or so. That's backward thinking and if you can't understand why you should abstain from trying to teach others.

>>42179382
you're literally shouting at windmills rn rtk-kun

>>42178966
remember this https://tatsumoto.neocities.org/blog/mass-immersion.html

>>42179392
i'm literally copying shit from the archives and pasting it

>>42179376
made for truck kun

>>42179400
haha troled

>rtk advice

>>42179238
what else do you expect from them

wat stuff is breaking in anki

>>42179411
Just stop memeing other kanji resources and do RTK like any normal, successful Japanese learner would. Sometimes things are popular for a good reason.

>>42179411
whats this from?

>>42179432
dunno the program has been basically the same for 10 years

never updated anki
never will

i'm still on 2.1.22 and forever will be

>>42179468
UOOOO

I updated my anki a week or two ago and it now looks more gay, with rounded corners and stuff

議論を参考にした

This means he found a discussion and used it as reference. Consulted some forum. Right?

>>42179442
Genshin Impact.

So I thought I'd give RTK a try to learn Japanese. Boy was I wrong!

I've been trying to learn Japanese for months now, and I'm not even close to being able to form a sentence. I feel like I'm stuck in an infinite loop of kanji and vocabulary that I just can't seem to remember.

At this point I'm starting to think that maybe I'm just not cut out for learning Japanese. I just can't seem to wrap my head around the characters. I mean, I can recognize some of them, but I can never seem to remember them.

I've tried studying with flashcards, reading manga, and even watching anime, but I'm just not getting it. I'm starting to think that the only way I'm ever going to be able to learn Japanese is if I move to Japan and actually live there.

I'm starting to get pretty frustrated with the whole thing. I mean, I thought this was supposed to be fun, but it's just been one big headache so far. I don't know what else I can do. Does anyone have any advice for me?

>>42179493
its super cute
you have more dance webms?

>RTK
>KD
>KKLC
WaniKani is unironically better than all of these for learning the kanji (ignoring handwriting). On top of teaching you the most common meanings and both on'yomi and kun'yomi readings, you also get further practice by exclusively learning vocab that incorporates what you know.

>>42179512
Sure. But don't forget to answer my question.

>>42179544
I tried wanikani but didn't even make it through the free trial since I thought learning kanji in isolation, especially individual 'readings' of each character, was dumb. was I right?

Are you straight up using just some deck like 2k/6k? Eventually you're going to start getting more fucked up because you never developed a decent memorization of the individual kanji in order to know when words use exceptional readings. Using WaniKani was the best decision I made, and I managed to get better at reading from 1 year of kanji study there than with any Anki deck. Not saying Anki is useless, but there are a lot of flaws with it's often recommended.

>>42179548
it doesn't specify that its a forum, just that he checked a discussion, no idea where

>>42179548
these are fire
understand gatchafags now

>>42179589
nikke > gayshit

>>42179548
this gave me an erection

>>42179581
Thanks, if I think "discussions" it clicks.
>>42179589
Genshin is really comfy. But it's family friendly and employs gacha to keep you around for... well, in my case years. No regrets. It's free and doesn't waste time.

>>42179578
>Eventually you're going to start getting more fucked up because you never developed a decent memorization of the individual kanji in order to know when words use exceptional readings.
wrong lol
3.5k kanji
10k words
no problems
never did rtk
never did kd
never did kklc
just read

>>42179644
life is too short to do gatcha or mobage ever again but im glad you enjoy it
the models are really nice
that said i play 遊戯王 so...

yooo bomb-chan next season

>>42179668
>next season might be 2024, or at least no earlier than fall 2023

>>42179659
Honestly the best thing I've used is WaniKani. I know /jp/ and /int/ autistically hate the idea of paying for something they think they can get the equivalent of for free through something like Anki, but the system works. I started with Anki 2k/6k as my main tool, and I'm about two-thirds through the deck with pretty good retention, but I've switched to WaniKani as my main tool and Anki as my supplement. That's not to say that it's perfect, but I'll be finished with the 2k kanji and whatever thousand kanji they have in just a year. The order of the kanji presented and vocabulary make more sense and hammer in retention way better than the order of the 2k/6k deck by miles. With the discounted code, I pay like 7 dollars a month. So with just a little over 80 dollars and some dedication, I'll have the 2k kanji under my belt with solid retention, which honestly is nothing in the grand scheme of thing. If I could do it all over, I would have started with WaniKani first and used Anki as the supplement way earier.

>>42179665
For me it's a perfect game. I play it in full jp now.
>遊戯王
Based.

>>42179720
shes got a nice brapper

>>42179720
based and made it pilled

immersion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW3DRIpnny0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9X5vX2UfeI

>>42179720
>casually fuses with all your waifus
アルバスイケメン cant stop winning
>>42179744
yooooo nice i had missed these! picked up!

>>42179764
>落胤
instantly understood this thanks to 落し胤

もしかしたらイラストと大きさが一致しないかもしれません

How do I deal with both もしかしたら and かもしれません. If I just focus on the later, the sentence is nice "pictures and sizes might not match". But why guess twice in one sentence?

crazy how this thread is literally just this one holoshart taking to itself at this point
djt has really fallen from grace

>>42179807
best state its ever been in

>>42179816
true true

all me

>>42179837
holo based

>>42179791
do kanzen reps.
those go together like peas in a pod.

never studied kanji
never studiee grammar
never did a core deck

500 hours of peppa pig

>>42179862
Don't know what "kanzen reps" is.

2023 will be the year of making it

>>42179886
kanzen reps are a shortcut to perma crippling yourself

>>42179889
this but earnestly

>>42179886
新完全マスター
grammar book
>>42179886
t. doesnt even know japanese

>>42179889
true!!!

might fuck around a buy a 訳あり famicom

>>42179889

>>42180000
YOOOO I HAVE THAT ONE! AND LIKE A MILLION GAMES! THEY WERE SO CHEAP!
...the controller really sucks and i don't have a tv that i can even plug it in... so i just emulate it anyway...

>>42180029
where did you get it? that one was in a book off but they didnt have that many and none with the power supply as far as i could tell

>>42180051
japan the first time i went, probably super potato, also got a dreamcast and most every good game for it

>>42180068
actually saw a dreamcast and saturn irl for the first time there

>>42180097
shoulda bought it, its tons of fun!
the vmus are great but eat the battery really fast
oh got a playstation pocket too, its like a memory card for ps1 but has an lcd screen on it and you can play a chocobo rpg with ff8 which is great
oh
get a saturn emulator and panzer dragon azel if you haven't played it, absolute kino game

>>42180148
kino soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMPxIzeuRJA

Wanikani has the scientifically proven best order available.

>>42180097
I'm so old my rl friend had both of them when we were growing up. I remember playing chuchu rocket.

>>42180184
kino game

sega bros... play segagaga... and guardian heroes

>>42180148
i would only ever play sonic adventure on it so meh

なのにせんせいは、それでも私に...　

I can't process this. Is it なのに or それでも? How it can be both?

its both and neither dont think feel

i feel nothing

also found this manga

>got "just feel it lol" answer again

>>42180228
they're not exclusive

>>42180322
don't know what it means in this context

"nevertheless, as for sensei, he neverrtheless told me to..." My head is going to explode...

>>42180348
thats because you are trying to understand it in english and it violates the rules your brain thinks languages have
just move on and think about it tomorrow and the day after and eventually youll find it again and itll make sense and you wont be able to quite explain it in english in anything but an annoyingly contrived way

i told you they have their shills fucking everywhere
its funny they sell a lifetime subscription for a beginner resource lol

>>42179707
a fool and his money...

ごま油の代わりにオリーブ油を使いましょう。

why is の used here?

>>42180357
I absolute hate these empty promises. It's like you are telling me to pray.

>>42180348
and yet sensei nevertheless told me

>>42180400
what else would you use

>>42180387
A wanikani super genius invests in himself

i ain't no punk bitch

>>42180424
it just be like that kouhai but dont worry wagmi

>>42179707
>way better than the order of the 2k/6k deck by miles.

you need to read more. and in the process of reading the only "order that makes sense" will be to learn common words. hence, core 2.3k still wins

or just mine...

>>42180000
>>42180097
wtf i cant read these
is that supposed to say です
its over for me

>>42180485
I will worry. I did so little today because I keep encountering these roadblocks and I won't proceed until I find the answer. Now I must go to sleep; had to give up. Knowing I failed, I don't want tomorrow to come.

us just hunting words like bros

>>42180424
ngmi

>>42180563
me hunting words to mine

>>42180563
are you that knowledgeable or wha

>>42180699
not him but If I get lucky I'll be able to mine 2-3 cards in an anime/manga and sometimes I'll go a few in a row with no new cards episode whereas it used to be 10+ per episode
If I really wanna go on a mining spree I gotta open a VN/WN

>>42180561
its a long, long, long, long road anon
make sure to enjoy the journey as much as you can

>>42180451
wa because ごま油 is the subject? how does ごま油 belong to 代わり?

>>42180758
>ごま油 is the subject
lol

>>42180758
lol please go input for a while, you're wasting your time analyzing this stuff

>>42180810
meh im not over analysing, im inputting through immersion and saw that sentence and thought huh i wonder why that particle is there, so i came here to ask in this thread which is specifically made to help people learn japanese :)

>>42180561
>because I keep encountering these roadblocks and I won't proceed until I find the answer.
that's exactly what you're not supposed to do
a lot of things will go over your head at your current level and there's just no way for you to comprehend them right now - try to figure it out for a few minutes but if you can't that's fine, just move on
whatever it was, you'll encounter it again once you know a little more japanese and have a better shot at getting it

your comprehension of japanese improves every time you succesfully comprehend something so it's crucial that you get through more things you actually have a chance of understanding rather than spending 30 minutes on a single sentence that's impossible for you to figure out with your current skills

の doesn't just mean 'belongs to'
Xの代わりに is an adverbial phrase meaning as a replacement for X
now don't say we never did anything nice for you

a substitution belonging to the sesame oil class

>>42180541
現状でのおわたしです

this is why i hate particles, i feel you could justify how any one of them fits

wo because the sesame seed is the object
wa because the sesame see is the subject
no because the substitution belongs to the sesame
ni because the substitution is at the sesame seed
he because the sesame seed is the direction of the substitution
to because the substitution is paired with the sesame seed oil
mo because the sesame seed is also substituting the oil

>>42180907
well good thing it doesnt matter how you feel and only one of them fits

lol btfo

>>42180907
>wa because the sesame see is the subject
lol

>>42180907
thing is, language is arbitrary and the english explanations don't entirely cover the meaning. nuance, and cases where something may or may not be used. a lot of it is just "someone said it this way 899 years ago, it became a meme, and its that way today"
you need more input rather than more grammar explanations because eventually youll recognize "x is used in this way", and when you try to use "y" instead, itll feel wrong.
you cant skip the journey by reading about grammar in english, NOR can you theorycraft why something "should" be right.

>>42180907
lol

>>42180907

>>42180946
yeah i do agree, normally i dont get caught up on little details as its retarded to do so and further immersion will knock the pieces into place anyways, i was just so flabbergasted by the use of no in that situation that i needed to ask as to me the sesame oil was the 'subject' of the subsitution and yes other anon i know 'i' am the actual subject of the sentence, but there can be more than one fucking subject in a sentence

>>42180967
i thought the recipe was the subject of the sentence myself...

dude it's "substitute of sesame oil"
there's nothing to be """flabbergasted""" about

>>42180978
YOU should replace x with y

>>42180967
you really think the sesame oil could use the olive oil and that wa marks the subject

>>42180992
ok this actually made it made sense

>>42181001
well in my head the sentence is 'lets substitute' ok what are we substituting? well the object in question is the sesame oil, so the subject that the substitution is referring to is the sesame oil, hence its the subject of that half of the sentence

pippin hot

nobodys gonna say it?
that nigga needs cure dolly

not even cure dolly can help him

djt has a meltdown over 1 question episode 2432

its just 1 guy thoughever

私は歴史に興味があります

why is ni used here?

>>42181080
feel it out

>>42181080
well actually it's a stylistic choice, the writer could have used wo, wa, no, he, to, or mo but decided to use ni.

>>42181080
let me guess, history is the direction of his interest

no = history belongs to the interest
wa = history is the subject of the interest

i fail to see how these particles dont work here, theyre making this shit up

>>42181080
trolling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSQrkgk35F8

Bbなんとか３０階くらいまでいったんだけど

老化っていう状態異常がかかって

ＣＤぜんぜんへらなくてロストした

りふじん

>>42181167
amazing game

>>42178506
how do I learn teh japaknees on my own?

step 1 get ur eroges
step 2 get ur ero asmr
final and neverending step just be yourself and have fun

>>42181232
emmerse

>>42181256
eh?! nani tf are u talking abt?

>>42181232
the main thing to remember is always come here to ask questions on grammar even though the answer is always 'just immerse bro'

>>42181263
like submarine

>>42181272
>>42181273
so what you're saying is these threads are completely fucking worthless D;

>>42181281
i mean theyre good for soys to post vtubers i guess

>>42181284
;-; fuck

maybe english should have particles.. it seems like a logical system

>>42181281
yea i only come here to shitpost when im drunk and feel a superiority complex over people who know less than me

>>42181281
just read the guide in the op lol

when it comes after a noun, do you read 後 as あと or ご?
for example
文化祭後

>>42181298
if you need a whole additional grammer structure just to give context to a sentence then its not a good system, theres a reason every other language in the world didnt develop it

particles are cool and logical tho

>>42181321
you could say worlds like to, for, on, with, are particles in a sense

prepositions
particles
close enough

>>42181311
Japanese is basically the only language in its language family, so it makes sense that it would have unique characteristics not shared by other languages. Compare to PIE (Proto-Indo-European) which is the mother of like half the languages on the planet.

>>42181355
clever ideas are universal, you know how many inventions were created in different civilizations which had no contact? a very basic example is the pyramids or the wheel, but as has been pointed out prepositions are basically particles

Exercise. Read aloud twice:
暖かくて働きたくならなかった

finna vinnie

>>42181311
>a whole additional grammer structure
this is basically meaningless. are you implying that all the conjugations and helper words in english aren't also 'grammar structures'? the main difference is that japanese is generally agglutinative (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agglutinative_language)) and english is mostly analytic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analytic_language))

>>42181444
yeah and agglutinative languages make people speak like retards, theres a reason its used by backwards tribe people, analytic language is romance language, you can actually fully expressive yourself in them

>>42181480
you can’t even speak english bro lol

>>42181391
Difference between 働きたくなくなる and 働きたくならない?

>>42181480
read more

>>42181309
I dont' nkow if there are any hard and fast rules but I"m pretty sure 文化祭後 would be ぶんかさいご but 文化祭の後 would be あと

>>42181506
become not wanting to work
will not want to work

>>42181500
literally nothing i said was wrong

>>42181510
do you really think you can express yourself better in japanese than english?

>>42181529
im not fluent yet so no but i think it has uniquely beautiful qualities english doesn't

>>42181480
>>42181529
ackshually romance languages especially latin are considered more synthetic, whereas chinese is more analytical. english and japanese are both more aroudn the middle of the spectrum. I don't see what it has to do with expressiveness either, unless you're really insistent on limiting yourself to just a few words to express something

>>42181537
to me it seems very rigid and simple (i dont mean simple to learn), seems like the language is predicated on language building blocks that you place in certain orders

>>42181529
>analytic language is romance language, you can actually fully expressive yourself in them
looks like you need to keep immersing in english too esl bro

関西弁を勉強したい

>>42181529
romance languages are languages that evolved from vulgar latin and have nothing to do with being analytical or expressive

>>42181572
あそこちあんわるいよ

got distracted a bit today but down to 6.45s/card. thinking of disconnecting my internet like that guy did for a year to learn jap

>>42181672
how would you immerse in vbijin then?

>>42181672
yeah just torrent a bunch of manga/anime/vns/lns/whatever you're into and you'd be set

>>42181672
do it
i’m doing this too but i give myself time to shitpost while i’m pooping or eating

>>42181672
why are you worried about time per card? just read japanese instead of anki stats

>>42181740
>just read japanese instead of anki
that's what I'm trying to do! I want to not spend too much time on anki and do other things

>>42180387
i lost like 40k this year in the market as long as i'm spending less than 1k on dumb shit every month it's a rounding error

>>42181752
i average around 3 seconds per card and im very lenient on myself in anki, as long as i can read the word i good it even if the exact definition is fuzzy bc real acquisition is through reading or listening not reading flashcard english translations. i think its better to use it this way instead of actually focusing on each word

>>42181827
i do a mix of sentence and word cards, mostly using the sentence card like a word card with the mined word highlighted so i can instnatly go to it, usually only reading hte sentence the first few times I look at the card.
but the only cards I let myself spend a decent chunk of time on are ones where I find sentences that have one word I can't read plus 1 or more unknown words that I can read..I feel like I squeeze a lot of vocab acquisition into a really efficient review process with those cards, helps me make a solid entry in my head for multiple words with 1 card.

when are they gonna start making good porn again

mosaics are the enemy of mankind

so happy i graduated to ero asmr

how do you have the patience to sit there and listen to em moan for 50 minutes i just don't understand. the sleeping asmr is based though

i created an alias so i don't have to type(or copy and paste) the whole command

>>42181905
i use it as background for my reps to keep things fun and exciting

>>42181915
you're so fucking dumb it's not even funny

>>42181915
unfathomably based
GMI

>>42181919

why i am dumb

>>42181919
well yeah he bought link

>>42181928

i sold it along time ago

what's the deal with tatsumoto? his guide seems good but the main issue I see is that he seems to assume that everyone has 8+ hours every day to actively study Japanese (18+ including passive listening).

so what's some good beginner coomer asmr? I only have like 30 minutes so make it quick please.

>>42181946
literally forget the guides just fucking read read read read read read read it doesn't fucking matter whether you do a handstand or not

>>42181926
you aren't dumb, he is not well. he's not really angry at you, but at himself
>>42181948
https://japaneseasmr.com/35574/
enjoy

>>42181954
wtf this is amazing

here's how you do two subtitles at the same time.

it's this command

mpv --sid=2 --secondary-sid=1 "[BuriBuri] Crayon Shin-chan - 0030 [DVD][6274482D].mkv"

>>42181948
https://japaneseasmr.com/47728/

>>42181777
>i lost like 40k this year in the market as long as i'm spending less than 1k on dumb shit every month it's a rounding error
i learned this as well. stopped caring over losing $20 here and there on stupid shit because it literally doesn't matter in the grand scheme. FAGMAN companies lose thousands over stupid shit and don't care

>>42182002
why would you do 2 subs at once tho... seems self sabotaging

i need to sync the subtitles better but it looks good once you sync them. i am too lazy to do it

>>42182014
that asshole is definitely not top quality bro

>>42182026
sorry to hear about your awful taste bro

>>42181727
>>42181738
my only problem is sometimes i want to open deepl because i'm completely stumped over something (i read hard stuff), and deepl has no offline mode.

at least with tsukihime r there's an english script i can download and cross-reference, but it's liberal sometimes

Lots of White Cream/Juices 【汁/液大量】


what a tag. ki ni hairu

>>42182048
OH NO NO NO

>>42182048
bro... it's just your accent right bro? Just your accent

>>42182046
sounds like you should focus on self control instead of completely blocking your indulgences

>>42182023
he's been at this for 5 years, he's what we call an 'advanced learner'

dragon quest Vより
どうやら お着きになっておられるようだな。間に合って よかった。
is おられる some kind of potential 降りる？ that's what I felt but then I realized it's different...so what is it?

>>42182130
いるの丁寧表現か尊敬表現か

そんなかんじだとおもうよ

>>42182130
おる is the accent pronunciation of 居る

>>42182145
>>42182149
interesting...googling it brings up jp pages about the distinction between おられる and いらっしゃる so I guess the meaning must be quite similar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNe8WYigrkU

>>42182022
as long as i put my savings out of sight and keep my retardation money limited then i'll save up over time.

i've given up on being rich but i'm not poor. just bought a lifetime wanikani sub just to get it over with

some normies are really dumb with their money, like you see those stories with people that make 200k a year and still living paycheck to paycheck

>>42182245
謙譲表現も独特で

>お越しになる

こういう表現になるよ

>>42182289
the real issue with wanikani, for me anyway, was time
it throttles you down every step of the way
japanese is way too big a journey to go at their rate
wanikani has 2k kanji, 6k words, and 368 days of content if you get everything right.
that also means that at most it makes sense to pay for 2 years of it, at the most, as the content in it will have run out by then, unless you aren't doing it anymore, in which case you probably shouldn't be paying for it anyway
im the most retarded person here and i did well over 6k words in my first year
i guess its unfair to compare wanikani with a holistic approach, but that holistic approach has cost 0 and delivered superior results (i think, anyway)

>>42182299
that really only happens with zoomers on their first job who overpaid for rent and then they wise up after 2 years when their lease expires

>>42182341
for me wanikani is braindead and slow and is so one dimensional there's nothing to think about besides doing it

i literally don't understand how some people can be so bad with their money
my partner and i have a combine salary of under 300k but we still bought a house and paid off a 400k mortgage in 7 years. i just turned 32. i live in one of the more expensive areas of my country, i still buy myself nice shit and i travel overseas for a couple weeks every year. literally mind boggling some of the shit people do

>>42182360
>400k mortgage
>one of the more expensive areas of my country
because the people in question are 21 year old tech zoomers making 200k and paying 4k a month in rent

>>42182359
holy shit wanikani is 90 bucks a year i thought it was cheaper
if you want to pay for something, get kanshudo, its much cheaper and has more stuff

>>42182080
you're on here too nigga

>>42182381
yea but im on here for recreation while drinking and youre on here asking for actual advice. read more

>>42182080
>>42182381
and besides that, blocking my internet would be the same as "increasing my self control" anyway. it's just a way of forcing the habit of not coming on here to get developed.

it's like how ex-smoking addicts easily fall into addiction again. there is no such thing as self-control really

justifying it anyway you wanna but explaining yourself in english isnt going to help you learn japanese

>>42182369
we put in 400k on the downpayment
anyways 200k salary:4k/month rent ratio is a pretty stupid decision but thats not living paycheck to paycheck

finally came across 茅葺き after meaninglessly repping it in anki for 3 years lets gooooooooooooooooooo

>>42182492
and now i have groped it from your post and will pass it on in 3 years time

baking a good pepperoni pizza rn japs dont know this pleasure

yeah japs aren't fatasses either

>>42182451
>we put in 400k on the downpayment
ok sure if you have 400k saved up by 25 that makes it a lot easier lmao. honestly most of them will be more like that then having nothing by 25

>anyways 200k salary:4k/month rent ratio is a pretty stupid decision but thats not living paycheck to paycheck
yeah that and taxes and then they actually just somehow spend thousands on who the fuck knows every month. car payments, eating out adds up fast

why is japanese pizza so weird?

good night djt *forehead kiss*

oh thats why it seemed familiar, its the roofs in 時代劇

>>42182530
night bro

am i the only one that completely gave up trying to memorize place's names in japanese? not even in my native language i bother memorizing place's names so why should i give a shit about prefecture XYZ or mt gansai

>/djt/ full of non-fuckups who make half a million by 25
>noooo it's ok to be older and slow you just will be an astronomical failure compared to the rest of us :^)

>>42182558
youll pick up a ton of them naturally because a ton of them repeat, especially in historical stuff
so i wouldn't worry about it

literally who are you quoting

>>42182516
if you’re making 200k annually youre bringing in close to 14k a month. 4k into rent, 5k into savings and you still have 5k leftover to do whatever the fuck you want. it’s not their rent killing them it’s them being bad with their money
i was literally one of those fresh grads working in the bay area making close to 200k a year out of school and that’s where i saved up the money for my down payment
just don’t play wall street bets and spend 5k on shoes every month and you’re literally on the way to making it

ME HES QUOTING ME I MADE EVERY FUCKING POST IN THIS SITE STOP ASKING FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST STOP

>>42182581
>it’s not their rent killing them it’s them being bad with their money
i'm saying that a lot of them have never had money and actually just treat it like a game since they never needed to save in their life

>just don’t play wall street bets
that's what they're doing lmao. lots of people throw EVERYTHING into crypto rn because who the fuck cares about 200k when it can become 2000k

>>42182581
>i was literally one of those fresh grads working in the bay area making close to 200k a year out of school
did they pay that much 10 years ago? even if they didn't the stock price made up
>you’re literally on the way to making it
only if you are under 25. if you're started over 25 you're already out of the game. all you can chase is a mere mockery of real success while everyone around you that didn't fuck up will retire by 30

where is jamal

>>42182569
after how bad that manga was, i dont think i will bother reading another "mystery thriller mountain climbing" manga anytime soon

lol he deleted his own posts to stop himself from devolving into a 5 hour shitpost fest about why people that haven't made it by 30 are fuck ups

>>42182697
kek i didn't even know that was a thing
https://streamable.com/viucqt

>>42182701
he's right

>>42182705
yeah... apparently theres an entire genre like that in manga and its a huge

i have 30,000$

>>42182701
i decided to walk away from it
but if you really insist

>>42182710
you don't make up for wasted youth.
in tech there are more people like that anon who will retire by 30 than losers who start after 25

>>42182718
i have 14万円 in ピン札

ゆきちのかかれたかみが１まんえんなのでなく

交換できる保証が１万円なんだとおもう

>>42182767
金ってそういうもんだろ
相変わらずくだらない

yoooooo
https://twitter.com/tsunomakiwatame/status/1607678047129419777

https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/103983408

>>42182792
yoshi

>>42182723
unfortunately the other anon that argues against you is not online, so my plan has failed

dedicated last half of the year on learning japanese and still feel like i barely learned anything even if my metrics show i acquired 7k vocab
people list "easy" ノベルゲーム but they still have a lot of words i need to bring out a dictionary for. never feels like i can just "enjoy" something. making lovers is supposed to be really easy slice of life but the opening section alone drained me.
things i push myself to read that align closer to my core interests take a lot of effort and unless i continually re-read the passages every so often then i forget the readings anyway. SRS only helps so much and i still have thousands of new words in the queue.
feel like i've regressed in listening also. chuubas are cute but i can't find myself interested in their content most of the time and the 雑談 of the funniest livers are out of my reach. it also kind of sucks they don't stream at good times for me.
was hoping i'd make it farther than this since i need to start focusing on other pursuits again.

What's the difference between 学生ですand 私は学生 is the second one wrong?

ではなぜ

ぎんこうが

その交換業を

独占しているのですか

>>42182837
if your plan was to reduce the quality the thread some more i can help you make it a success

>the other anon that argues against you is not online,
the other anon is probably a tech worker who retired by 30

it doesn't matter how fast you progress if you're too old. at my age, i'm simply marking my milestones by how many years behind i was on it. a million dollars at 40 means much less than a million at 30.

>>42182957
lol don't double back now

>>42182914
fool you don't have to watch/listen to everything live, no matter where or when you are if you can listen, you can immerse!
7k is... about half to where you need to get to read everything with minimal lookups
you might need less if you specialize in a particular genre
regardless, you don't learn japanese and put it in a shelf, even while doing those pursuits, you are planning on using japanese, right?
if so youll keep advancing
if no, then it doesn't matter even if you forgot everything
good luck and gmi new year bro

ill be able to get 1 million by 30 if i make 250k for the next 4 years

my brother in law had that goal, he made it but he went the own business route

why not make a million a year and be done next year?
https://playboard.co/en/youtube-ranking/most-superchatted-all-channels-in-worldwide-yearend
if a cute pink koyote can, so can you!

>>42182914
>they still have a lot of words i need to bring out a dictionary for
it's just 1 click, what's the problem unless in every line you don't recognize a single word

>>42183024
because i only feel like working 15 hours a week

>>42183024
what percent do they get at the end of the day and is that after google has taken their cut?

>>42183024
holo based
perhaps whale can buy herself a bathtub and a caligraphy tutor now

>>42183041
thats before googles and covers cut, so they make substantially less than that
maybe a fourth? might be less

ye kson won

soon they won't even need to pay the girl because they'll have an ai doing it

dame all the vtumors are gonna have to work in the coal mines

vtards really trying to take the name of djt's worst cancer ever but tatumoto is not that easy to defeat

thats crazy koko is probably raking more than the holos and by a lot after alls said and done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhMCh6zm72E
makes me tear up a bit
bros she won against fucking china
based dragon

>>42183120
you are so pathetic lol. lmao @ your life

remembering that time that matt interviewed steve kaufmann and kaufmann asked what does MIA do different and matt couldnt answer it still makes me laugh

>>42183120
vbased

i haven't checked on matt in a while. i'm afraid

he's associating with ice poseidon so it's only a matter of months until he's in prison for some kind of hate crime

matt is jewish

youve spent the majority of your life playing catch up.
can’t you feel it?
always one step behind, always a little bit too late.
if only I knew about sentence cards a little earlier.
if only I listened to /djt/
constantly behind those who are braver than you.
you are working so hard, sprinting… and those ahead of you just glide to first place.
all that effort to stay a loser.
the reason people beat you is because they TAKE action. They MOVE.
it's dec 26th, the beginning of the laziest week of every year.
dec 26th - jan 1st is when MOST people ACHIEVE NOTHING.
it's why most people are losers,
they fail to understand the significance of this week.
this week is your UNFAIR ADVANTAGE.
this is the first time in your life when you can stop being behind, stop playing catch-up, and actually GET AHEAD.
2023 can be the year when you are ahead of the game, instead of behind it.
it’s amazing how easy it is to win a race when you’re allowed to go first.
you can jog, while your competition sprints. Saving your energy to win first place time and time again.
a reporter once asked Mike Tyson why he went running at 4 am and he said…
because I know my opponent is asleep.
this week. ALL OF YOUR COMPETITION IS ASLEEP.
are you man enough to take advantage of your head start?
Losers:
Hide this post.
Winners:
stay tuned on Matt vs Japan YouTube Channel and Twitter for the announcement that is going to rock the Japanese learning World. To be released SOON

there are levels, he is a low level one

im getting fed up with jews lately

>>42183198
wha t the fuc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stLCurXu0fc

i'm going to have to ask you to cool it with the antisemitism

new
>>42183192
>>42183192
>>42183192

>>42183235
oh yeah i'm moving over here

>>42183235
dude, what the fuck are you even doing?

>>42183240

>>42183255
holy newfag

>>42182558
Well I know 溶岩 and 粉砕 so I'd guess it's read ガンサイ. If I'm wrong I'll eventually find out. Or I won't. Doesn't matter too much. If it pops up a whole lot I might look it up.

>>42182947
Why are you trying to produce before you can read?

>>42183290
your brain is able to pick apart and separate kanji in a given word? how? or did you study kanji individually?
i know both 溶岩 and 粉砕 but it never crossed my mind to combine them to get gansai because my brain isn't able to pick apart kanji, to me 溶岩 is just 溶岩 and 粉砕 is just 粉砕

>>42183305
Take boulder from meltboulder and crush from powdercrush and you get Mt. Bouldercrush. Pretty straighforward famalam.

>>42183318
im glad that works for you, but my brain just cant process that thought, ill just keep ignoring place names

I didn't answer your question. Yeah I did RTK. Many years ago. Gave up at 600. Forgot them all. Waste of time. Then I just read. Learned words. It worked out.

>>42183255
retard

235
255
kys

>>42183325
RTK isn't a waste of time and is essential if you want to be literate, because it teaches you to produce kanji from memory. It's the most important factor actually because without that skill you are not literate.

>>42183489
It teaches you how to write. Which is a weird skill to have if you can't read.

>>42183498
better to be able to write and not read than read and not write

>>42183498
It teaches you how to produce them from memory like native speakers can. Writing is only one application of that. For example during introductions people frequently like to verbally describe the characters in names in terms of other words with those characters. If you can't produce kanji from memory like a normal adult can, you can't follow along when people do this

>>42183489
nta but u should eventually learn individual kanji after learning enough words
i have 800 words learned in anki but i know 溶岩 and 粉砕 too and also arrived at ガンサイ
i guess it depends on how many times u see the words or how quick u pick up on stuff but u definitely don’t need RTK unless u are rly struggling even after like years

>>42183549
Everyone needs RTK if they're aiming for basic literacy. If you can only recognize characters but can't produce them then you're an illiterate.

>>42183532
Are you insane? No real person could possibly think that.

If you can't understand the language that you see and hear then you will not be able to compose sentences at all. I understated this: writing kanji in isolation is not a weird skill, it's a useless skill. One that you will have to learn again anyway after you learn how to read.

パソコンの入力ソフトを頼りに文章を作るのにまあまあ自信がある。手書きは全く出来ない。いつか出来る様になりたくなったらまたハイジズ法を日本語でやるつもりだ。多分ならない。ネイティブの書いた喋った日本語を楽しむのに忙しすぎて

>>42180719
that's impressive. I guess it's less funny, right?

>>42183575
why would i want to be literate

>>42183578
>Are you insane?
Yes
>No real psrson could possibly think that
no one here is a real person

>>42183575
mm i’m ok with being illiterate tho as long as i can read stuff and understand audio
i don’t wanna live in japan or talk to japs irl and ime exists for online communication so learning how to write would just be a gimmick for me!

To write clearly is to think clearly.

書くのはにほんじんだって

できるようになるには１０ねんは

修行するからね

経験してるんだけど

書き取りの厳しさは修行だよ

>>42183610
And how do you expect to think if you don't know words?

>>42183578
>>42183532
>>42183498
It's a false dichotomy because if you do RTK you're obviously still going to learn to read as well. Also, your post is retarded on multiple levels. You're conflating producing kanji from memory (a basic skill that every adult has, this is what RTK teaches you) with writing. While it will allow you to write, which is a basic requirement for literacy, it has other applications as well as explained in >>42183548. In short, you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Also
>パソコンの入力ソフトを頼りに文章を作るのにまあまあ自信がある。手書きは全く出来ない。いつか出来る様になりたくなったらまたハイジズ法を日本語でやるつもりだ。多分ならない。ネイティブの書いた喋った日本語を楽しむのに忙しすぎて
If this is your Japanese you write like a 2nd grader. I understated things: shut the fuck up and go read for 2 years before posting again. It's actually scary that illiterates at the 2nd grade level are trying to authoritatively give people advice and no one here is checking them.

>>42183622
Clearly.

>>42183625

>>42183625
The point of producing kanji from memory is to write them, Mr. Authority.

>>42183625
but your english is like a 2nd grader

同じ単語を１０回書くのレップを

を一日で

２００字のページに

５ページとかやるからね

外国人にやらせたら

訴えられる苦行レベル

だいたい２時間くらい

だいたいのひとが軽い腱鞘炎にはなる

>>42183625
だってRTKは漢字を記憶するために必要ない
people who aren’t going to live in japan don’t care about being literate anyways. 90% of djters are learning specifically in order to consume media
keep preaching though i’m sure someone will listen and agree that spending time studying RTK is a better endeavour than just immersing

>>42183675
unless u spend 30 hours studying all 3 rtk volumes u will never be able to read porn games sorry bros
what do u mean ud rather spend that 30 hours playing porn games?? but ull be illiterate!

>>42183675
>>42183652
If you can't produce kanji from memory your comprehension of spoken Japanese is lower as explained in >>42183548. Also, even if you're a dirty NEET who doesn't mind not ever attaining full literacy, RTK still helps by indirectly speeding up vocab acquisition. And lastly, you can transition it into a Japanese production deck for free when most of the cards are mature (by replacing Heisig keywords with Japanese keywords that only have one possible correct answer such as 礼ハイ), which keeps the reviews relevant even for someone who finished RTK a while ago and has already been reading.

>tfw you cant read anything but can immerse just fine anyway

>>42183745
I'm so sorry Anon. One day you'll kick yourself after you realize how much time you wasted. Suck cost fallacy is a real bitch.

>>42183771
I passed N1 in 20 months back in 2018. RTK was a big part of the reason why.

yep holochads won

>>42183748
GMI BEHAVIOR

he made some good arguments, we should all do rtk
right now

>>42183782
isn't he in jail?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYhXJaEbw7c

i have read hundreds of books in english, use it in a professional capacity and communicate primarily in english on a day to day basis. yet still i cannot write a note in english on paper without reference

>>42183771
you outed yourself as having 2nd grade japanese and also admitted youve been studying for "many years", lol. one day you'll kick yourself after you realize how much time you wasted. suck cost fallacy is a real bitch.

>>42183823
>thinking everyone who disagrees with him is the same person
anon….

>>42183832
schizophrenia is a real bitch

This entire thread is the same person. I am very tired.

>>42183832
>backpedaling
do you really think people cant recognize your posts? even more cringe

>>42183848
meds

>>42183839
>>42183850
take your meds

no, his argument is circular, and terrible, and the sample of one he offers is ridiculous not only on its insufficiency, but it prima facia falls apart as its merely "trust me bro" stupidity.
fact: most people think kanji is the hard part of japanese, theres millions and millions of sites saying that, and wanikani, rtk, and the whole flashcard industry flow from 1 assumption people who do not know anything make: "if i could read the kanji, i could learn japanese, just as i learned <insert language here>.
now everyone here knows that that is ludicrous, what makes japanese hard is that its a heavenly language passed down by amaterasu; and which is completely unlike any other language on earth. hand someone a sheet of romaji and theyll be no less lost than if you handed them a sheet of cunnyform runes.
No, the way you learn japanese is by immersing it it enough that your mind gets in synch with that of the kami, namely, amaterasu. ways to do that are myriad: the moans of her daughters, asmr, movies, anime, vbijin, whatever.
in other words, rtk is merely procrastination that doesn't do anything but delay the real, unavoidable, and time consuming hurdle of submerging your head in japanese until it fills your lungs, repeatedly, in hopes some of it sticks.

TLDR: if anything, vchads, anime chads, asmr chads, drama chads, music chads, and any other spoken media chads, have a head advantage.
QED

>>42183846
yeah me
>>42183860
hai hai hai hai

>>42183860
tl;dr
the rtkchad made better arguments
based on how bad your english is id bet your japanese is bad too

>>42183860
>his argument is circular, and terrible
Yikes, projection.

>>42183860
yeah koyori won

>>42183870
>id
okay esl

>>42183820
you’re illiterate anon and you don’t know english

>>42183860
>the moans of her daughters
kek