/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Can someone please translate what this image is trying to convey?

How long will it take to reach point when: "no unknown kanji in new words"

>>42116725
unironically never

>>42116763
If you study kanji it shouldn't be too long.

ＤＩＹ！ＤＩＹ！

How are RTK copers holding up today?

today i read 0

more than me

i didn't read anything since this january expect for a few doujins that came out this year but i still managed to read a nukige over 2 days and i'm surprised that i still could read stuff like 忸怩 and 詭弁 correctly. i thought i'd be really rusty but i mostly just got a lot slower and need more time to get the reading right.

suppose I want to text chat with natives that won't mind my gaijinness too much and will at least occasionally correct me when I fuck up
what's my best bet?

its over

>>42116725
i am there for all intents and purposes at 3500 kanji. but its not like it really matters, there are still plenty of words i cant read because multiple combinations of onyomi/kunyomi sound fine, plenty of words i have looked up a million times that wont stick, plenty of new readings even. and of course the occasional kanken1 kanji that i havent seen pops up every few chapters.
it does feel good to be "done" with kanji though, now i dont have to think about them at all and i can just focus on words.

>>42117052
avoid women like the plague. find some otaku whos really into pokemon or whatever the fuck you like, and talk to him about that.

きょうのにほん

たくみんエッツ

wtf

nihongo of the day: メコ筋

>>42117100
the trash thread is still there

>>42116725
This poster:
>>42117114
is correct that after about the first, most-common 3500 or so, it’s very, very rare to encounter new ones.

I know about 7000 unique characters (far more if you include trad forms and variants), and while I can remember the last completely-unfamiliar kanji I encountered (鍰, an old unit of currency in Chinese, but repurposed to mean “slag” (からみ) in Jap; saw it on some documentary), but before that? I literally can’t remember. It might have been some obscure plant name like 蕺 or something.

Once you know those 3500, unless you have some particular reason to do so, focusing on further kanji study is probably not the most efficient use of time.

yoooooooo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lLhIuITOkY

>>42117403
haaachamachama!

>>42116657
Okayish OP. 6.2/10. Needs a Santa hat.

>>42117114
I have 3.5k in my kanji grid and still see new kanji every day

3500 is enough to read nukige or doujinshi i guess, if you want to read things older than the 21th century you'll need to know the double at least

>>42117494
That’s the big divider, time period. Older stuff was written by people who had received a traditional, Chinese-style education, and that showed up in the heavy, kanbun-style they produced. The post-war educational reforms and political shift away from China and toward the English-speaking West changed that.

when does the brainfog disappear when reading, even when i understand what i read or hear i have to constantly check with myself that i correctly understood it, i can't take the information at face value without straining my brain
it makes it hard to enjoy fully what i'm reading when it's something other than porn or romcom
when i try to not overthink about what i'm reading it feels like i'm half understanding things naturally and half whitenoising sometimes i feel like i don't know all the elements being said but i still somehow understand the information conveyed, sometimes i "know" all the words but i have no idea what the sentence means if i don't focus on it it's a weird feeling don't know if i should try to keep doing that or not

>>42117479
idk how that is possible. did you start from kanken1 and are just now learning 日? or are you reading 1700s poetry?

>>42117883
with english it took about 5-6 years of AEATT to be 100% confident in my understand of anything i read or listened to.
japanese might take longer since its not as similar to my native language.

>>42117899
The scope of Kanken 1 is about 6400字, not including trad forms and variants.

>>42117346
Am I learning kanji through mining, reading and doing core deck or do I have to study it specifically with some separate deck or learning technique? How do you know how many kanji you learned?

No, matter what I do, I am not learning fast enough. And I forget too much. I am not meant to know.

>>42118110
I mostly just read, and only use Anki for 四字熟語 since it’s a good way to keep them organized, as well as add useful additional information to them.

I also went through a phase in which I methodically studied kanji one-by-one, always trying, when possible, to learn at least it’s basic kunyomi and onyomi, as well as at least a few useful compounds for each. That was based on the Kanken 1 scope.

>>42118176
My reading is slow and comprehension minimal. Without dictionary and translator I am not able to understand what is being said. Feels more like I am studying sentences instead. Even one sentence is a problem, yes, I am that bad. I don't even know what you typed. I am trying to do what people recommend but it doesn't work for me.

I still remember 乳酸菌飲料, but I only know first last kanji.

weird i now know the difference between frills and ruffles due to playing this vinnie that describes clothes so detailed lol

I want to be able to read... It's depressing I still can't.

>>42118417
500 hours of peppa pig

>>42118566
This has to be a joke.

kitsunekko死んだ
backup?
https://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles/japanese/&sort=date&order=desc

i said it before and i'll say it again: んほ顔 are fucking hawt

>have weeks of kanzen to get through
>didn't even do the problem sets just read the problems and said i'll do them later

>>42117883
i've never improved at anything to the point where it became second nature
i've been programming for almost a decade and i still blank out when having to write new classes lmao
idk man maybe some things just can't be second nature
anki is easy to digest and that's probably why everyone does it

>2026
>japan won WC
>free jkmankos everywhere
bros...
https://twitter.com/DogEroero/status/1605534502301732865

>tfw actually make any japanese progress on the weekend
>on weekdays actually do 0 anything outside of work
maybe i should quit my job for real tho. i think i have enough to live off of for the next few years

>>42118846
find a part time chill job i worked in a library 4 days a week 11/5 after quitting my job good times

WWW
https://twitter.com/sean_a_la_mode/status/1605550489403543552

>>42119011
ideally i'd find a fully remote programming job where i show up to a meeting, do like maybe an hour of work from home at most, then turn off my work pc but i haven't been able to find that

>11/5
that's still 6 hours a day 4 days a week of your life gone. part time minimum wage work still wastes an entire day at the office

also part time means no benefits which is the most important part of working for me.

>>42117494
Probably trolling but the average Jap knows about 3500. Only an extreme flashcard sperg would know double that.
Of course you still encounter an occasional unfamiliar kanji with 3500 when reading literature.
There are probably a few words on the first page of Moby Dick that you couldn't correctly define but you can still read it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0q7qd2na4s&t=472s

i wish there was letsplays with proper hentai novels. narrated by a sex female. this would be the immersion.

門閂閊閔閘閻閙閠關闊闕閖闔閭闥閨閧闢閾闡闃閇闍閹闖閼闌

yosh outputted

immersion is like a bukkake gokkun session.
you are surrounded by word penisses and the vocabulary semen is flying all around you. but you cant get it all in your mouth because its flying everywhere. so you just swallow/aquire what gets in your mouth while the rest coveres your body. but there is always more coming.

compelling.

>>42119601
we get it mlen youre "bisexual"

>>42119577
wtf

>>42119706
its almost like i copied it from somewhere

where can i buy light novels in japanese as epub?

>>42116657
醜い

>>42119757
nevermind, this guide describes it all
https://game2text.com/resources/ln-mining/

DIY最終回どうなるんだろうなあ

１０年後エンドじゃないかなあとおもう

まあよくあるやつになりそう

でてた

たーんたたたたたーん
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/so41530476

>>42120165
>>42120215
改行止めろって

fuck another 0% retention day

>>42120245
do you have 1 card

DAILY JKMANKOMERSIIION
https://live.fc2.com/45191607/

goooood afternoon

連投うざ

>>42120315
yoooo

>>42120315
>>42120345

Yoooooooooooo9

>>42120345
yooooo

gomi e youkoso

So are you all making that kabuki sounds or is it something else?

のだ
ので
のに
のです
のだった
のでは
のである
どうしよう、難しいです

>>42119577
wtf i love looking at this post

anime engrish isn't necessarily due to the fact that the 声優 have terrible english pronunciation
it's actually more along the lines that if their english pronunciation was too good, the typical japanese person wouldn't be able to understand them

>>42118814
yooooo
>>42119164
yoshi i know every word! great book too, obligatory "moby what...?"
>>42119577
beautiful
>>42120315
yoooo!
>>42120330
kikiriikiii! get better wawa... the puppet concert was kino
>>42120598
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKMw2it8dQY

yosh goood morning bros! japanese study time!

yooooooo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qKHiuToGuc

Is English difficult language to learn?

>>42120975
yas

>>42119164
>zoomers don't know their own language
yeah no shit, if you force the average social media addict to read James Joyce or Geoffrey Chaucer they would probably not be able to understand half of it

>>42120975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J01xtHliXTc

>>42120975
modern english is probably the easiest langage in the world to learn for westerners, also help that tons of english words make their way everywhere in the world so good chances you'll already start with a decent vocabulary basis compared to other languages

>>42120974
nice
>>42120992
acquired kino! missed that live somehow, thanks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrUT9pCLlcY

>>42120975
https://youtu.be/zDbE3Pd4zN4

>>42120992
I really like this. i can learn words as well. This is good for me learning Japanese, right?

>>42121062
the best, really cool channel

friendly reminder:
v美人 are the next best thing to a japanese mom:

-cute
-constant dialogue
-descriptive dialogue
-VERY language dense, they never shut up
-conversational cadence
-cant be mined if you are watching in real time, nor paused (so you have to pay attention and your brain is in do or die mode)
-if they are playing a game you already played (recent banjo kazooey streams with kone), you already have the english translation of everything in mind, but even if you haven't played the game, they describe everything they are doing.
-they activate the natural "want to understand what the cute girl is saying" part of the brain
-a lot of variety
-essentially always on

probably the next best thing to conversations with nips, but they have the added benefit that you do not have to carry the conversation or keep it alive, the vbijin does that herself. essentually you get a girl talking to you and describing everything for 1 to several hours.

v美人 are THE path to true fluency!

fubuki...

>>42121087
holy based and correct!
>>42121121
yoooo aoat!

>>42121144

人人
>carrot

人肉
>garlic

>>42121212
wtf people are made of garlic???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVsNo-whVQ0

水清ければ魚棲まず

水清ければ月宿る

>>42121186
nenechi...

kitsunekko bros... what happened?

>>42121411
POV: my balls

do your reps

>>42121422
My problem isn't doing reps, it's doing anything beyond that. I need to JSL it up on a Japanese 4chan.

>>42121422
done by the time i'm off bed

is wanykunny worth it?

>>42121521
I've been using and enjoying it, though I'm only level 7 after just over a month of paying. Sometimes I can read a few of the runes in my vtuber streams now. Only annoying part is how you have to type more or less exactly what they want you to for the translation, whereas Anki just lets you decide for yourself if you got it right and how easy it was.

>>42121548
>Sometimes I can read a few of the runes in my vtuber streams now.
holy gmi

>>42121427
do it now
open a manga or an anime or a video or a WN or LN or VN
this instant

>>42121601
Okay I opened Bleach chapter 1. Now what?

just made it

>>42121605
now get off 4chan
spend 3 hours with bleach

stare at the symbols and hallucinate meaning

>>42121608
Trust me I don't need more than 10 seconds with bleach to end my fucking life

>>42121521
I don't know, but they have shills on every major jap learning community so I don't trust it
anyway, you don't need any of those apps or programs, just read a lot

>>42121614
It's nice to have something a little more regimented, regardless of what it is. Sorta like how technically you can do weight training at home, but it's way easier to focus on it if you go to a gym.

wanicunny -> gym membership
anki -> home gym
just read -> calisthenics

>>42121087
why not just get a surrogate japanese mom irl and have sex with her

>>42121632

>>42121630
more like
reading = diet
anki = exercise
wanikani = holding yourself back by going arbitrarily slow cause the regiment told you to

>>42121630
These analogies are so gay I can hear them sucking dicks.

>>42121587
yooo i know them! its fubuki the fox and koyori the cat!

>>42121662
Okayu is rolling in her grave rn.

AAAAAAA

i just dont like how whenever a beginner asks how to learn japanese, a bunch of wanikani shills will show up out of nowhere and tell them to buy the lifetime subscription
bunpro shills as well desu

vbijin = sex
reading = sex
listening = sex

i stopped consuming because i understand everything and now japanese is boring

>>42121685
can you understand 七人の侍 raw though

>>42121669
we kokoro now

>>42121678
i know ur lonely lmao

>>42118745
>>42121412
how can the mf that hosts the site have this issue so often? it's the most basic site in existence

>>42121695
i could level up fast if i cared but i dont because its easy and boring

>>42121674
What if it's just a good website? It's not like anybody attempts to shill duolingo, because that shit is actually wack.

>>42121678
https://streamable.com/ybo8nt

>>42121747
uwaaaaa she just earned a nut or two
based squirrel

>>42121678
true

someone PLEASE save her
https://youtu.be/cQV_Ww7iOz0

>>42121685
opposite for me i chug more than ever

>>42121797
omw

>>42121797
you can tell she was probably qt when she was younger. the wall is an unstoppable force

>>42121685
i stopped consuming much cause ive seen all the good anime. need to get back into manga i guess

>>42121829

>>42121822
same same
so much amazing content
anris live was great

>>42121735
maybe it is
im beyond the stage of needing something like that anyway
i just emmerse lol

>>42121909
>emmerse
You should try immersing in English sometime.

How's the Japanese in old Gameboy Advance games? Readable? I've been enjoying using my 3DS lately, two birds with one stone would be nice.

>>42121909
no, its a terrible site, toufugu has good content but wani itself is the worst. it also aggresively both time gates you, and spams you to give them money
theres a reason its a meme
it also focuses on the wrong things, kanji are unironically unimportant
that said

>>42121937
yeah advance games are nice

>>42121937
i imagine it depends on the game
played knight of lodis and it was fine
good game too! tactics ogre prequel

>>42121921
newfag lol

>>42121587
could read 豆腐 instantly but I could only guess 食べる from context and wouldn't' have been able to recognize it on it's own
handwritten kanji are fucking weird

from where to get jp subs now that kitsunekko is dead?

>>42122137
you've had enough time to become beyond native level and never need subs again
your loss

>>42121548
>read a few
lmaoo

daily jkmerssion

>>42122154
>2 years and i've probably done 20 hours of listening tops
in my defense I use subs for content in my native language too

>core 2.3k completed
yep it's time to mine and immerse.

>>42122137
there's enough autists around that at least 5 people have it backed up and itching to re host, assuming it actually dead

doing a katsumoto language holiday shame chuugokugo sounds like a cat being strangled

>>42122424
for me its looking at hangul for like 30 minutes before giving up and going back to japanese

>>42122137
https://mega.nz/folder/GmZnxQaa#JEZHNrpTsoBbM0mltfErNg
>last updated may 2019
will have to do for now

Could I just write 同屈 for 洞窟 and a nip would understand?

>>42122527
just write どうくつ

>>42122439
>moonrunes
:/
>moonrunes, japan
:O

今夜も、本でお息子を潰しましょう

>>42122569
my brain simply cant learn hangul
maybe the only reason i ever made it japanese is that i started at 14 with kana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lki69OQAiQ
weekly kagejitu

>>42122620
how long have you been learning? how fluent are you?

>>42122661
love delta

>>42122667
hard to say because i took some long breaks
im fluent enough to speak japanese with women with no real issues ever

when do you pronounce 堪える as 堪える, when do you pronounce it as 堪える and when do you pronounce it as 堪える?
also what's the difference with 堪る?

>>42122661
yoooooo

>>42122692
>im fluent enough to speak japanese
Damn nic-
>with women
oh, lesser humans :/

>>42122702
thats the first thing youll have to 堪える

>>42122702
堪える is the only one that can be intransitive, so you know it's 堪える there. other uses you'll have to feel out.

>>42122716
i could also speak to males but why would i
the "rarest" word i said today was probably 糸楊枝

>>42122749
I recognised the 糸 bit :(

ＤＩＹなんとか風呂敷を畳んだね

しーとたくみんが投げっぱなしだけど

なんとか着地に成功したとおもうよ

>>42122137
https://web.archive.org/web/20221116194517/https://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F
it archived some of them, .zip files work but individual .srt files seem broken
got what i wanted

is it possible to learn japanese if you don't care about seggs?

it isn't possible to learn japanese

>>42123473
it is possible as long as you care about something
if you do not care about anything, then it is not possible

成仏

してクレメンス

I need help understanding what よく means. I keep on running into it when reading, but I can never figure out what it's supposed to mean in any of the contexts.
>親戚の連中がよく納得したな。
this sentence means "group of relatives do not consent", right? what is よく doing here?

>>42123553
come on bro

Remember no matter how hard it becomes to study japanese, every day that you study is one day closer to moving to japan and getting blackmailed by jks

>>42123553
https://maggiesensei.com/2018/01/03/how-to-use-%E3%82%88%E3%81%8F-yoku/

>>42123553
the speaker is surprised
"I can't believe those relatives of yours consented."

>>42123584
>>42123553
thats a really good site in general, just take a look at the explanations if you have a problem

Anyone know how to increase resolution in Muramasa? I don't see it in settings

>>42123568
stfu

>>42123602
I didn't really think about it but 納得 is usually more "were convinced."

>>42123630
逆ぎれ

>stop doing anki for a week
>428 reviews
oh
ok

>>42123801
I have like 250 reviews every day. Used to be over 300

>>42123828
i do these at the end of the day when i just want to go the fuck to sleep

>>42123630
he's right lol

>>42123858
dude im trying okay

>>42123828
I had around 450 at some point. Had to reduce new cards because it became too much.

i just do them whenever during the day
usually they are all gone by bed time
>>42123871
no worries keep at it bro

忍耐なくしてはだれも成功することはできない

really despise when i get manga from those shiitty ddl sites and pages are in the wrong order

kek when i read stone ocean i couldn't find some of the last few chapters
nothing really happened during them but it was pretty annoying

watched some 10-minute video with no subs and understood the whole thing, every sentence, without pausing etc.
am i gonna make it? maybe it was just an easy topic

>>42124026
>am i gonna make it? maybe it was just an easy topic
yes and yes
probably a topic covering soethign yo'ure into so your vocabulary is lopsided in that direction

>>42124026
unironically yeah, youd be surprised at the amount of people that never even try that let alone do it
based chad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFabPWbFsmE&ab_channel=%E3%81%B5%E3%81%A3%E3%81%8D%E3%81%84

>>42124028
>probably a topic covering soethign yo'ure into so your vocabulary is lopsided in that direction
true it was about vbijin so...

>>42124046
thanks, wagmi. heres the video by the way
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9LlcIQ7_Yc

you won't make it, it's over

>>42124056
kek
i watched that stream live, dramawhores distorted what happened
tldr polka didn't show up to the mahjong tournament so they had a cpu playing for her and the cpu was feeding people points
lui did nothing wrong!

>>42124077
yeah shes 悪くないよね but she would have been even more based if she meant it like that.

>>42124110
lol

ことしはおおきな地震や火事や台風が少なめで

それだけで上出来な年だったとおもう

>>42124184
誰の出来事

>tfw 1 hour of anki
hope this doesn't get this time consuming
but it is mindless

r8 my anime protag name: もろは

>>42124196
あたしの個人の感想です

こじんてきなことなので結論以外はチラ裏する

>>42124215
もろん

>>42124215
there will probably be a moroha no turugi sometime this decade

>>42124312
良い答えであるな
パチパチ

>>42124212
kek it can expand to take infinite time if you let it
>>42124215
nice 刃

>>42124379
i just want to get through my reviews brah

japanese isn't even a priority for me anymore i just know that if i give up again i'm going to regret it

classic kyok' of the month
https://youtu.be/BfjtPcd6I1U

>>42124396
>japanese isn't even a priority for me anymore
yeah you decided to flashtard for an hour instead

にょろーん

>>42124472
well it was 7 days worth of anki

idk anon i tried "just read" but without reviewing reading is whitenoise for me since i don't remember any of the shit i read

>>42124488
if you understand it it's nto white noise lmao

>>42124062
so what's the answer, everyone over 25 that isn't N1 just kill themselves on the spot?

>>42124502
>if you understand it
i don't, that's the problem lol
i can only learn grammar through reading but i can't remember vocab through reading at all. even if read the same word in context over and over again i'll forget it unless i shove it in an anki deck

>>42124516
if you don't understand it then wha the fuck are you 'reviewing' lol
reviewing shit you odn't understand is worthless
keep inputting until you do understand
don't mine shit you don't understand

>>42124471
あんた誰？
よく知られている？このスレで

>>42124521
what are you actually saying tho

>keep inputting until you do understand
anon i literally have to look up the difference between まだ and だけ over and over again every time i read it because i never bothered putting it in my anki deck
it took me like 3 months to be able to remember what past tense was

>>42124404
not bad
>>42124396
>>42124488
you cant just half ass japanese bro, you also cant pause it, its the sort of thing where if you aren't moving forward, you are falling back
not saying you should give up, nor that you wont make it (you will if you want to), but i am saying that maybe your focus is wrong? the other anon is not wrong, you are trying to hold onto what you have, but, especially if you don't have that much time or drive, wouldn't making japanese your hobby and immersing in stuff you like be a better way?
it doesn't matter if you forget stuff you arent planning to use
and if you use it, you wont forget it
its hard to explain but you arent really trying to...the purpose of all of this is not to become an encyclopedia that can recite every word and kanji combination by memory
the purpose is to be able to play and read and listen to stuff you like, and have fun with it
whether its vbijin, anime, games, manga, erohon, whatever
tldr: you didn't start this to do anki did you? then why is anki all you seem to be doing?
japanese is a toy, play with it and have fun
good luck bro

>>42124543
わたしはばかです

>>42124559
how does it feel that no one even bothers to read your posts? you realize as soon as you out yourself with a vtumor pic everyone tunes you out right? and you're here all day?

how embarrassing

>>42124546
what the hell
"the difference between まだ and だけ"?
sure they're different but why would you ever confuse them
thats like confusing only and yet
it honestly sounds like you've inputted less than 10 hours of content or something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YziqMReXxgk
have some cute immersion

>>42124559
>then why is anki all you seem to be doing?
it's not. it just piled up for a while. the reason i did 1 hour of anki today is because i did 0 for the past week

>immersing in stuff you like be a better way?
i am completely unable to parse any of that material

>stuff you like,
it quickly becomes unenjoyable when you read at the pace of 2 sentences per hour, having to look up every single grammar point

>>42124591
>sure they're different but why would you ever confuse them
because i get shit mixed up all the time?

>10 hours of content
what do you think 10 hours of content is for me? "30 minutes per sentence" isn't an exaggeration for anything harder than N4 material

found another ddl where all the pages in the volume aren't randomized
all is good in the world

>>42124603
日本の猫は日本語を理解している気がする

>>42124607
ah cool do your best and good luck anon!

>>42124625
kek really like this pic

>>42124636
same, enjoying the pokemon arc quite a bit

>>42124607
>what do you think 10 hours of content is for me? "30 minutes per sentence" isn't an exaggeration for anything harder than N4 material
that's a big problem
you need to embrace some more white noise and just get more quantity in the beginning stage
analyzing stuff and trying to figure out what it means is very helpful, but it shouldn't be taking up the bulk of your time. it's supplemental. you're not giving your unconscious mind enough data to extract patterns from and build a system with. most of language learning occurs in the unconscious mind, you help the unconscious mind to learn faster consciously withs tuff liek analyzing sentences, but you simply need more food to work with. confusing だけ and まだ is physiologically unthinkable and it's happening because your approach is simply wrong.
it's not because you can't understand, it's because when you bother with japanese your brain doesn't experience enough examples to detect the patterns (automatically, it does it for you)
it's like giving a jap a hundred sentences and asking 'hey, figure out what each of these mean' instead of giving him ten thousand and let him analyze the ones that stick out to him at his own pace. look at it from an outside perspective, imagine you're watching yourself.

Japs are fucking weird. They fuck their own mothers as kids and get adopted to other families as adults.

>>42124678
how does that even work?

>>42124678
misleading clickbait.
anytime a man marries into the woman's family instead of the other way around, that counts as "adoption". its only true as a technicality of how the family registry works.

>>42124688
They care about family business and lineages too much. Want to keep grandpa's chopstick company going after your retirement but don't have an heir? Adopt one of your best executives as your legal son and have them inherit the company.

>>42124660
>you're not giving your unconscious mind enough data to extract patterns from and build a system with.
there's not really any media that's actually enjoyable that i could actually get said data tho

>help the unconscious mind to learn faster consciously withs tuff liek analyzing sentences, but you simply need more food to work with.
i've been stuck reading graded readers, kanzen textbooks, and boring as shit babby manga and that's the only shit i have read that actually has helped me progress. this shit bores me to tears reading it.

>confusing だけ and まだ is physiologically unthinkable
i still don't know the difference. every time i read either of them i have to look it up

>look at it from an outside perspective, imagine you're watching yourself.
i'm at an N5 reading level after about 2 years of on and off.
my initial plan was to ankidrone core2k and then start reading but it took me a year to finish that and reading has mostly been me not comprehending shit and going down in difficulty
i can comfortably sort of read N4 tier graded readers and reading practice, but even that i struggle to really parse at all
native material, forget it. whenever i try i whitenoise and i end up guessing what it means off the 1 or 2 words i actually understand (usually incorrectly)

its does seem like a lot of them do sexual stuff with their mothers tho i can't argue with that

>>42124625
i've been at this for 2 years and i probably could not pass the N4
i don't think "making it" is on the table for me anymore. at this point it's just getting it over with so that way i can get back to watching anime without it reminding me of my past failures and making me want to put a bullet in my head thinking about it

>>42124722
that's an asian thing, i remember reading spengler about the chinese doing that pre ccp, they kept the lines of figures like confucius going regardless of them having children
but yeah that was a 1920's book so i don't know if they kept it up considering the change of views under new management

>>42123553
use your AI uppercaser

anyone remember when the navy seal copy pasta became real

>>42124902
he was in the wrong but right to think it was someone from here

うぅーじにだい
がなじい

たのしいことがいつまでもつづかないのは

かなしいことがかならずおわるためなんだよ

がんばれおにいちゃん

>>42124725
just read more and feel it out
you cant avoid every sentence taking a couple minutes as a beginner but 30 means youre trying to overanalyze everything
look up all the words necessary and take a guess from context at what is being said
every once in a while you might google something but for the most part you need to fuckin move on
expect it to be a little fuzzy and rely on context to help you out and after hundreds of hours youll be recognizing tons of common shit and be doing way less guessing
also stop reading boring shit like graded readers
its better to suffer more with something that actually motivates you and you understand less than to not have any motivation to understand the story or the dialogue

big peepee xd

is inuyasha good

just got むらさきのスカートの女 the other day and had a question I was hoping someone could answer. the sentence in question is the following:
>むらさきのスカートの女がすごいと思うのは、周りの人間がどんな反応を示そうと、決して自分の歩みのペースを変えないことだ。
I think the speaker is saying that what makes them think that the purple-skirt woman is amazing is the fact that she doesn't change her walking pace no matter what sort of reaction people around her express. the only thing that feels a little weird is むらさきのスカートの女がすごいと思うのは. I know のは can be used to nominalize verb phrases, but I don't think I've seen it used like how it is in this sentence, specifically I mean with something like the phrase that comes after. does anyone disagree with my rough translation? is it just weird from an English perspective, or am I missing something?

>>42125186
yes that's pretty much it, you just have to read more and stop thinking about the grammar guide, it's just a crutch for the begging. It's not really helpful to look at のは and think "nominalizing verb phrase".

>>42125183
watch it and find out. people can only answer from their own taste, which is not necessarily the same as yours (even if there's a great deal of overlap).

>>42125186
翻訳がすごい厳しいよね

江戸時代からずっと厳しい

あんまり無茶いうと鎖国しちゃうぞ

>>42125204
>It's not really helpful to look at のは and think "nominalizing verb phrase"
I think I get what you mean. when I try to read I don't really think that much about grammar consciously and try to recall all the technical jargon that I've read about, but when breaking it down and expressing how I understand it I think it can be useful. that way other people who understand it better can say "no it's actually this grammar" and point me in the right direction. then I can do more reading and hopefully forget about it (consciously at least)

>>42125212
無能は黙って

>>42125186
Your interpretation is correct but I'm not sure what's confusing you about のは. It's just being used as a normal topic marker because the sentence is about the speakers thoughts, not the woman in the skirt.

>>42125186
Yep. "(My) thinking that the purple-skirt woman is amazing, is (because of) her not giving a fuck."

>>42125270
>but I'm not sure what's confusing you about のは
maybe I'm just gay, idk

y'all 逃がす ever learn Japanese?

I don't remember this general being this nice and helpful some two years ago. at that time all i'd see here was a select group of e-celebs being constantly shilled and the occasional >>int/djt/

>>42125328
nature is healing

>>42125328
yeah i don't remember it being this dead and close to n5 either. maybe you shouldn't have waited for 2 years and joined r/learnjapanese right away

>>42125186
you can try substituting the の for こと and see if it helps you feel it out

>>42125328
vbijin magic

>>42125380
まじめにいうと

文にvarbが２個入っちゃってるから

えいごにするときは２つの文に振り分けないと

うまくいかないんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>42125391
varbってなんなんだ

>>42125391
Not really, though? It fits pretty closely.

女がすごいと(俺は)思うのは、気にしないことだ(からだ)
(My) thinking the woman is amazing, is (because of) her not caring.

(女が)気にしないからすごいと(俺は)思う
(I) think (it's) amazing because (she) doesn't care.

>>42125380
I think my problem is the expectation I had with what followed ～のは. I've seen のは and こと used in those ways, but I think the English part of my brain felt like the syntax is less explicit in expressing the general idea that's being expressed (i.e. what the person thinks is amazing about the purple-skirt woman). not sure if any of that will make sense to you

>>42116706
>>42116775
>>42116821
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eM4KdVuVHc

>>42125480
stfu

>>42125536
kys, analcream

>>42125570
もう原型がないですやんか

i love vn protags because they're just like me and don't know japanese

>>42125671
what does that say?

about to fix my chronic listening inability with passive immersion. i'm blaming it all on you fucks if i'm not リスニング満点 2 months from now

>>42125673
no idea

>>42125671
pic not related

>>42125673
You'll have to contemplate it quite carefully.

>>42125543
lmfao

>>42125673
>koko de tabesugitara oyuuhan ga hairanai kamo. sore ni saikin, onaka ga chotto yabain dayone...
>futotta no?
>sutoreeto sugiru yoo! motto kotoba wo erande
>jibun de yabaitte itta janai ka
>uu... sore ha sou dakedo, fukuzatsu na otomegokoro wo omonpakatteyoo~
>omonpakarutte. futsuu no kaiwa de ha tsukawanai desho... sasuga wa raitaa shibou. muda ni muzukashii kotoba wo shitteru.
hope this helps

https://twitter.com/fuetakishi/status/1605461923100626945 the last piece of fuetakeshi masterwork. what a time to be alive doujinbros

>>42125754
ocr and a parser can convert kanji to romaji too

>>42125797
yabe

>>42125797
>last
did he died

>>42125802
then youre good to go

>>42125671
definitely not pera pera and don't know the context but gave it a shot.

>「ここで食べ過ぎたらお夕飯が入らないかも。それに最近、お腹がちょっとヤバイんだよね。」
"if I eat too much now I might not be able to eat dinner (lit. dinner might not be able to enter [my stomach]). speaking of which, my stomach's been kinda crazy lately..."
>「太ったの？」
"you got fat?"
>「ストレート過ぎるよぉ！もっと言葉を選んで」
"you're too frank! choose more [different] words"
>「自分でヤバイって言ったんじゃないか」
"didn't you yourself say 'crazy'?"
>「うぅ。。。それはそうだけど、複雑な乙女心をおもんぱかってよぉ～」
"uhh... I mean that is true, take the complex and sensitive feelings of a girl into consideration!" (fairly liberal)
>「慮るって。普通の会話では使わないでしょ。。。」さすがはライター志望。無駄に難しい言葉を知ってる。
"you used 'omonpakaru'. there's no way you use that in a normal conversation..." yep, she's definitely got aspirations of being a writer. she knows big words for no reason

yabai->crazy
you're ready to become a translator congrats

>>42125834
i've been good and i've been going chump not so sure about you though

>>42125865
>he says desperate to come out on top of someone
lmfao

>>42125875
you'd know all about desperation >>42125754

>>42125883
what was desperate about that

>>42125860
I assume you're joking. genuinely not trying to be rude, as I said I'm still learning, but what word would you have chosen?

>>42125897
i wouldn't have chosen a word because i don't translate

>"oh you know japanese anon? speak some japanese"
>muh output
>"okay, what is this japanese person saying?"
>muh jap subs
>"okay, what do these japanese subs mean?"
>dno but heres how youd flap your gums to sound them out
the absolute state of djtards
and the cherry on the cake is they can't read words that aren't standard on yomi

>>42125906
then could you at least try to describe the meaning of yabai (in Japanese or English) in this specific context?

absolutely seething over a non-translation is why i put in the time to do it lmfao

you can't speak japanese
you can't write japanese
you can't hear japanese

it's simple, you don't know any japanese

>y-yeah I know Japanese. hmm? p-prove it, you say? uhh... uhh.. umm

yosh
looks like reading japanese is still on the table

>>42125917
コワェ

reading implies comprehension

and the crazy thing is most djters can't pass baby word reading quizzes either, it's almost like they don't know anything

i speak japanese every day tho

>>42125955
true but why are you still posting about it

>>42125955
>reading implies comprehension
no it doesn't. plus I had sex with your mom

anyone who hasnt pissed off imouto before should stfu

i would own anyone here in a quiz battle though

there's only like two people here who don't know japanese

define "know"

>>42125974
and a teenager with down sydnrome would beat an infant 1v1 in basketball: not much to brag about

>>42125978
im the only one who knows jack shit

>>42125978
all me

>>42125992
yea

>作製
>製作
Really now? It's worse than the zombie pirate vs pirate zombie question.

>>42125992
vbased

mazu ha itteoku ga ...
kanarazu ore no kachite ni naru

just made the intermediate thread on gomi

>>42126000
seriously though do you really want us to think you are not samefagging

is that n4

>>42125992
holy vbased

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSgOAP3_s9E

yooooo

>>42126027
nice love the christmas outfits

>>42125671
vn protags would pass as n5 to /djt/

It's about nine years ago I started learning it for no particular reason; mostly because of a whim "I'm watching a lot of anime so why not try to make the time I spent watching anime useful by learning Japanese at the same time?"

I have now reached N1 level Japanese (which, as I discovered now, is still miles away from actual fluency) and the additional value it has provided to my life is approximately zero. I have no intention of ever moving to Japan, and I have a STEM degree that gives access to jobs that pay many times better than any job involving Japanese.

My enjoyment of Japanese media hasn't improved either. I am still missing about one word every five sentences when watching anime (well, I didn't count, but it feels like that much); if I wasn't trying to maintain my Japanese level, I would prefer just reading the subtitles. Light novels have about four unknown words per page and my reading speed is about half as fast as an average Japanese native. This situation doesn't seem to be improving anytime soon.

In fact, my interest in Japanese media has waned over time. The main reason I am still watching/reading Japanese stuff is a sunk cost fallacy "well, I spent over 4000 hours learning Japanese and it would be a shame to lose that effort due to language attrition." The books I am reading in Japanese right now aren't really boring, but if I wasn't learning Japanese I would probably not be reading their English translations either; if language wasn't a concern I would probably be reading some (English translations of) internationally famous novels instead of restricting myself to Japanese books only.

After having sunk so much time into a language it becomes really hard to just pull the trigger and forget it, even though I probably should.

Over the past nine years, there have been a grand total of three-ish untranslated Japanese works that I was glad I was able to read. All other Japanese works either have a translation available or are not more interesting than your average English work. This was totally not worth the time.

If I could give my younger self advice regarding learning Japanese, then it would be "Do not learn Japanese. It is not worth it."

>>42126098
unironically how do you avoid this?

>>42124607
>>42124725
if i were this retarded i would have just killed myself by now

>>42126098
>Light novels have about four unknown words per page and my reading speed is about half as fast as an average Japanese native
no way its half as fast lol

>>42125328
matt killed off all of the e-celebs one by one, before killing his own career

>>42126104
get a japanese gf unironically

Starting from the fact that I've always thought I was pretty decent at japanese, started learning 3 years ago, may of 2019, passed the N2 last year summer of 2021 with a very good 164/180 score, thought I could probably ace the N1 pretty easily the last months. Until today.

I tried to read a Visual Novel (fate stay night) which I was really intereated in and it opened my eyes, where to start. I literally couldn't understand half of what I was "reading", or trying to read, holy shit, I google translated 2/3 sentences because of weird grammar and stupie sentence structure, and oh my god, so many new kanji and words as well, I thought I had mastered them and that I was almost done with it, but no, in about an hour, before I gave up, I mined more than 100 words and like a third of them had kanji I had never seen, like, yeah, I still find new kanji sometimes but not dozens of them like that, what the fuck. I know about 2000 kanji I'd say at this point but after checking the internet apparently around ~3000 is the amount the average educated japanese person knows. Holy shit. No no no no no. And they are complicated as fuck.

This experience opened a new world to me. There's so many layers of japanese. I spent time with anime, manga, some easier light novels, could read some news and social media posts and was just overall enjoying myself until I realized how far actual native level fluency still was. I never understood everything 100% of course, don't get me wrong, but it felt like I wasn't struggling too much. I don't know what to think. People told me that I probably wasn't as good as I thought I was. Do I really know anything even. In reality I can't even watch or read most shonen and seinen like Hunter X Hunter, Berserk, One Piece, Jujutsu Kaisen etc. yet without looking up sentences or a couple of words per episode/chapter. I mostly enjoy fighting series but they're so damn hard with philosophy and attacks and tactics and yoji and proverbs and super casual terms and shit. I thought I was still decent because I could get the gist of them but welp, I was just lying to myself.

Are ~10-15 hours a week, 1~3 hours daily of immersing and anki really not enough. I've done that for literally years already, how many more to go to be able to enjoy everything I want in japanese without it feeling like a pain. They told me that anything below 4~5h hours was barely anything if I wanted to reach native fluency, a kid learns a language through constant input throughout the day for like 7-8 years before reaching actual fluency but like, I'm not 3 year old, it should be easier for an adult, right? 5h+ a day is fucking crazy, is that what it really takes to learn a completely different foriegn language? Because we're basically starting from 0, like a newborn, so I guess what they told me was true. The only completely fluent foreigners I know are Matt vs Japan and Dogen, who've spent literally half of their lives learning it without breaks, is THAT what it takes? I guess many would be happy with my level but I want to understand and enjoy everything I want like I do in english, THAT is my goal. I don't know, I just don't know what to say. I just want this LEARNING PART of my journey to end already.

enough bro

>>42126126
>The only completely fluent foreigners I know are Matt vs Japan and Dogen, who've spent literally half of their lives learning it without breaks, is THAT what it takes? I guess many would be happy with my level but I want to understand and enjoy everything I want like I do in english, THAT is my goal. I don't know, I just don't know what to say.
I vaguely remember matto saying in a livestream or something that he still has noticeable gaps that came up in his immersion or when talking with nippongos. and with Dogen, you also have to consider he lives in Japan and has a Japanese wife. depending on what you want to watch, read, who you want to interact with in Japanese, it might be something you have to dedicate much of your time with on a daily basis.

問題（配点１０）

ぷりんのニックネームはどうしてぷりんだったでしょうか？

>>42126181
生ハメ

does japan actually not know about checksums?

been so long djt just wanted to drop in and ay i LOVE you guys

>>42126200
thats just the writer
might be a common jap boomer superstition tho

>>42126289
thanks but who tf are you

>>42116657
妊婦さんは美しい

>>42126155
but i want to reach and watch everything and talk with everyone...

>>42124506
yea lol

>>42126347
im 24 and n2, my birthday is in 3 months can i still make it in time?

>>42125352
the n5s are fun to laugh at thoever

>>42126126
>In reality I can't even watch or read most shonen and seinen like Hunter X Hunter, Berserk, One Piece, Jujutsu Kaisen etc. yet without looking up sentences or a couple of words per episode/chapter.
stop whining that's practically nothing if you want perfect fluency its going to take a hell of a lot longer than three years unless you literally study 24/7 and abandon english

>>42126126
i told you... you didn't listen...
it's over!

>>42126126
n1 is pre beginner.

at some point you should just stop looking up every words if you already know the kanji and just learn them by osmosis
yeah you might get the reading wrong but if the word is that important the correct reading will come to you some day one way or another
you don't learn a language by looking up every single unknown elements past the beginner stage
if you come across an n+1 sentence that you still can't understand without looking up the unknown word then it's either not an n+1 sentence or you should stop relying on yomichan and start using your brain

or just watch

>>42122257
if that was true there already would be a download link for a recent backup somewhere

I was reading a book for 10 year olds and they fuckin split a jukugo. Half of it kana only, half of it kanji. I didn't know that was allowed.

>>42126200
just fill the cd with par2 files, easy

>>42126525
Even NHK does that obnoxious crap in their articles. I saw 常とう手段 once, instead of 常套手段. Just use furigana, FFS...

>>42126793
障がい is the one i see the most
タンパク質 as well

>>42126856
タンパク質 is fine because 蛋 is ugly and looks chinese

>>42126877
cope

/me dabs on djts grave

>>42126856
障がい instead of 障害 is somewhat interesting because there is significant objection to the negative connotations of 害. Some advocacy groups claim it’s offensive. 身障者 is becoming more common for that reason.

what the heck 担った sounds like になった

lol

>>42127027
actually i guess 子ども is the most common one
used to think it was because 障碍 they wrote it like that lol

im not gonna make it

I want to find a Japanese teacher on preply/italki. Any recommendations or tips?

>>42127310
go on skypech instead

easiest way to TTS webpages in japanese? reading aloud is a bother after a while

>>42127328
read in your head

特定独立行政法人等の労働関係に関する法律

>>42127438
まったく気にならない

if theres more than 4 kanji(s) in a row i dont read it lol

>>42127438
knew all the kanji but didn't know 独立行政法人
i'm going to grade myself b+
(it's a + because I'm grading myself)

>>42125042
>30 means youre trying to overanalyze everything
usually it means
>don't know any words so look up every word
>don't know grammar point so look up every grammar point

>look up all the words necessary and take a guess from context at what is being said
with native stuff "all the words necessary" are EVERY word in the sentence
and my guess from the context is wrong

>its better to suffer more with something that actually motivates you
nothing is enjoyable if you don't know

>>42126111
i think about it pretty much every day. every day at work i think about jumping out the window and ending my life
i used to slash my arms with a knife whenever i fucked up

>>42126347
good idea honestly
other countries like france don't allow older people into college

>>42127482
the words on their own are simple tho

>>42126504
or n+1 doesn't exist for gaijin

>>42126111
what's the best method for suicide btw
i'm too much of a pussy to just blast my head off
but logically anyone who can't achieve fast should just fucking die

>>42127509
emmerse until you die

>>42127509
heroin overdose sounds very nice

>>42127527
drowing sounds like an awful way to go
falling off a building is also a really shitty way but i have a high chance of death if i jump high enough. the window at my workplace is high enough that statistically i think 90% of people who fall from that height die

there's also xenon gas or some shit, which is supposed to be pretty painless and hard to fuck up

or there's just the good old shotgun. you just gotta make sure you aim right so you don't live

i think about this shit a lot. that anon is right. there is logically zero reason someone like me shouldn't end their life, i'm just too much of a lazy pussy to die

>>42127509
suicide by cop

>>42127538
does it? what are the specifics?
i always thought heroin OD was usually not deliberate, usually accidental

>>42127543
i'm not black enough for that to have a high chance of working

>>42127549
all i know is people who get saved from heroin overdoses are pissed
i imagine it feels like a combination of warm full body orgasms and falling asleep and then youre gone and you dont even care

>>42127542
vbijin overdose

>>42127549
I believe in you, you're black enough in spirit

>>42127557
i have no idea what to assume on that

>>42127559
black people have the lowest suicide rates. it's pissy white people who blow their brains out for being losers

and spirit doesn't work against cops.

>>42127558
doesn't seem like an effective method

>>42127570
>and spirit doesn't work against cops.
are you forgetting your goal is to get killed?

>>42127557
>>42127538
also i don't know where to get heroin

all the other methods i listed i could use to end myself with today if i really wanted to

think about practical methods, anon

>>42127584
unless you literally pull a gun out or try and stab them, they'll literally go easier on you if you're not black

actions that would get a black man shot would just get you tased, restrained, and jailed as a white guy

>>42127585
if you are ready to die you should be able to ask a homeless guy if he can tell you where to get it
just give him a little bit of money for the information

but actually dont kill yourself bro

>>42127486
the one thing depressed people all have in common: narcissism and attention whoring
even when they kill themselves they're doing it for the attention, I can't stand these people

>>42127588
stfu

>>42127594

>>42127594
statistically not true by the way

>>42127611
you wouldnt hear of the depressed people who dont attention whore

>>42127625
those are the good ones