/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Wait, so which one is the resident faggot?

>>4198018
Sounds like irc drama overflowed into /jp/

Play a real fighting game like Melty Blood.

>>4198043
You should post links to all major relevant Melty Blood materials and downloads

>>4198043
I prefer not having the 3 versions of the same attack if I'm just going to use the C version

What fighting game faggotry occurred?

>>4198052
I thought the only attack you needed to know in Melty Blood was 2A!

>>4198062
I think it better that we do not know. /jp/ should be a place to get away from tourney faggotry.

>>4198043
Play a real fighting game, like Vanguard Princess!

I miss playing people online with Lillith. ;_;

109.124.12.31:10800

>>4197996
Good games, tree. Looks like my Suwako training is paying off.

>>4198039
>irc drama

Naw, that's why I left that shithole in the first place.
More like /jp/ not having a sense of humor, because all we're doing is putting on a show.
Have a brief screencap that blatantly antagonizes myself for your enjoyment.

Anyway,
>>4197996
>Aircrushing with Suwako

anonymous with the lowercase 'a' - pro to end all pros.
Great games, I'm still a rusty fuck but since you were kind enough to stick to a character inferior to mine matchup-wise I at least was able to have a lot of fun as opposed to criticizing myself for making a bunch of stupid mistakes and toss my controller at the wall; despite how sure I am you've already posted I can hope as I hit submit without pressing F5 that you feel the same way.
I'm also proud of you for running the 'wako helicopter alt 623 as opposed to the laser one in most decks; it's a good yet underappreciated card and you make hella good work of it. Good job, bro.

Aaand I've done my job of provoking the first nine posts in the thread to be nothing but faggotry, so it's time to leave it and let it grow. I'll be back to water it with my IP again later.

>>4198122
rehostan

>>4198145
>Aircrushing with Suwako
What. The. Fuck?

>>4198148
Ah, you should post the region of the world that you're hosting from. Good game though.

>>4198160
Yeah, that's what I said. I don't remember what it was he did nor did I save the replay, but I shat a Victorian-style mansion when it happened.
Of course, it had a lot to do with me expending all my orbs with fancy Cirno air stuff like the wondrous 6B 6C and some 2B/C faggotry, but it was still pretty ridiculous.

174.0.51.137:10800
Hostan canadia for a bit

New thread already!

71.171.69.75:7500 EC

>>4197996
Tree, I don't know if you're still here, but what ingame handle do you actively use these days? I need to know for future reference. -Lurker

>>4198171
Rehostan to hopefully fix lag problem

>>4198212
Oh right. Forgot my host.

75.79.143.22:10800 West Coast

>>4198171
damnit its 1:30 in the morning now how do i play with one eye open?
also apperently me and my friend who are both using hamachi had our first crash, im not sure if it was my internet or hamachi, could someone explain to me the lag though?

>>4198171
What was up with the lag that showed up half-way through the first game? I've never had any connection problems with you before.

>>4198223
I'm not sure, but I'm rehosting after changing a setting. Come try again

>>4198212
It's always Giant Tree, though for a while it was a bunch of synonyms for "Giant Tree," such as "Voluminous Willow." Unfortunately I ran out of those.
There was also a point where I was considering naming my profile "Not playing you unless you're Guy," but I didn't because it didn't fit.

I dunno though, haven't played you in forever. Up for a 66C-off sometime? Sometime as in not now, because not only am I sure you're already playing somebody but I'm also busy making up excuses.

>>4198218
ggs Bodega. Feels pretty slowmo though.

>>4198218
2 seconds of delay
i love to play with reisen but im from argentina
GG anyways...

>>4198225
Sorry Rabbit but I can't play like that. I wouldn't mind it so much if it was slowdown lag but it's near impossible to play when every second frame is being skipped.

>>4198275
Can you host instead?

>>4198218
Rehosting for a bit

>>4198289
Sure.
76.29.15.231:07500

>>4198304
Oh well, it didn't work.
I hope you get it fixed soon, we haven't played in a while.

>>4198339
It looks like my connection is no good. I'll look into my network setup since I'm getting suspiciously low wireless strength. It's a bit late now but If the problem still persists I'll switch over to the land line next time we play.

b u m p

Its-too-damn-early-for-this-Tier
70.80.234.216:10800
East Coast

age

Jesus shit.
I have things to do today and all but-- this thread, come on. Might as well make an attempt to get it back on its feet, I s'pose.

207.119.199.128:7500
The Central of US, et cetera
Tiers? WHAT'RE THOSE? tier

>>4201013
Good games, tree. Utsuho guard crushes are so gay. I had to get revenge on that one. Those loliball-mine standoffs were hilarious. I have to find solutions that don't involve taking them in the face.

>>4201013
Goddamn anonymous, you always do such an excellent job of reminding me how much I hate myself. GGs and such.

So it boiled down to a point where I couldn't stand playing only Chirno anymore because I hate my own guts enough already; mainly, those full-second-or-longer "lapses" where I think I'm reacting on a muscle memory or something but I'm actually not, hence moments like the four or so where I'd random a SC out of nowhere or do some stupid move when I should be blocking. Hell, one of those moments was where I was remembering how Magister used Giga Flare when his opponent was out of orbs so I waited until you were in such a condition then prepared to push the button; my shitty-ass reflexes didn't actually end up hitting it until you regenerated them all and were already at the other side of the screen. Mistakes are one thing, but when they get this bad and constantly happen I don't know, this game is the ultimate in rage inspiration. Or at least way up there.

Still I think you're a great player and bring a lot of good shit to /jp/, namely how I constantly see you doing things that have never seen practical use and thinking up fancy new combos that the tourneyfags wouldn't dream of. You're cool and should feel cool.
That said, I'm pretty angry at how I snagged a few rounds or even matches because of you testing your decks, because in the state I'm in they were all flukes and I didn't deserve them at all. Goddamn I mad.

Still, thanks for the games and you have a wonderful day, friend.

>>4201013
>Perfection
>640x479

>>4201239
Always with the anonyline to contrast my treeagraph.

But just fyi they're even gayer when the Utsuho in question isn't fumbling launching lasers in the other direction and shit then realizing like a full minute later "oh yeah THAT's what the bnb wa-- shit match over"
God I hate this game.

Also for future reference while the mines may not have blocked the loliballs themselves they at least blocked me from following up with default 623B/C and if they didn't my controller would've, but taking the damage just to keep that from happening I'll admit is pretty silly. It's hard to keep zoning under control against Suika considering she more or less has control of the screen at all times so long as they're not Giant Free, but skillcards that limit movement are always a beneficial thing to have there.

Various other self-bashes and excuses for losing in unnecessary spoilertags.

>>4201311
You should give yourself more credit, tree. When I play you, it's like we're actually fighting instead of 'beating stupid move: (insert my char) edition.'
It seems to me like you're thinking of what to do in a situation once the situation is occurring, at which point it's already too late to resond. This is what I do about those situations. Go to practice mode, pick the chars in question, and think up a bunch of different scenarios. Here you can come up with as many responses as you like. Yeah it sucks trying to do two players' inputs at once, but it's the best way to come up with automatic responses. Say 'I'm near the corner. The opponent is flying at me with bullets in front of him, low to the ground. I can do a,b,c.'
Once you do that, the goal in-match is to look for the things that LEAD UP TO those scenarios. From there, you can pinch off the shit before it hits the fan, or even get the opponent to walk into your own chocolatey goodness.

tl;dr, practice mode, baby

>Tier lists

>>4201498
Meiling is SS tier in my heart.

イベントが終わって色々詰めている内にもうこんな時期に
年が明けても誰一人更新しようとしないサークルですが
本年もよろしくお願いします。

しかし振り返ると前回の差分から相当経っているわけですが
スクリプト絡みの調整はいくら動かしてもネタが尽きません。
死に要素の救済や底上げは相当手広く行ってるつもりですが
実践値で耐えうるものかは研究にホント時間食いますね。

差分情報で何で出てないキャラが居るかって？
一応公式に出してるキャラしかここでは語らないって事で一つ。
当然スルーって事は無いんでご安心を、あの方も相当アレです。
むしろキナ臭いパーツ多過ぎて厳重監視下に居座ってますが。

さて今年はどんなゲームが出来る年になるのか。

seems like this was added on the 18th
what's tasofro saying?

>>4201518
The pleasure of cumming inside Suwako

>>4201498
In my heart Sanae is top ti--no, I really do believe she is D-tier.

Even with alt. 623 Wind Tunnel/Heaven Goddess: Tunnel.

>>4201518
1.10 was scheduled to be released as a bonus disc along with Otome Function.

>>4201518
>Color after the event so late in the period we are justified
>This person is one who does not try to circle and into next year
>Thank you again this year.

>The difference is not substantial amount of previous years have passed and looking back, however
>Script-related adjustments and moving story that much 尽Kimasen.
>Relief and raising the level of elements extensively're going to die is equivalent to going
>What practical value is that it can withstand 食Imasu >Really time to research.

>What characters are not staying there or what the difference information?
>Here I only put in characters one at a fashion thing >What say anything official.
>What is a safe course through your things without >Nde is considerable Are you that.
>I sat down to watch that too closely Kina rather smelly parts.

>So this year I was able to get any games.

So basically, they got a PS3 and tried playing games with smelly people.

>>4201565
>What characters are not staying there or what the difference information?

>>4201457
Yeah, I know all about situations and what to do, my only problem is execution. I can envision what's going on just fine and know what button combination or whatever it is I need to do, but when it boils down to the moment of actually doing it it doesn't happen, even moreso now than before because I'd been gone for so long.
I've tried the custom AI and I've tried practice modo but no matter how much I grind execution it isn't magically going to come to me; I've just always had slow reflexes so for the most part I'm doomed to be a casual the rest of my life. If there was something I could do to improve that that'd be great, but I don't have high hopes so I'll just stick where I'm at for the time being. Complaining is more fun than winning, anyway; I'm pretty much here as main "advisor" in the soku scene because I know how to do things yet can't do them myself.

I have fun that way, anyway. But making a bunch of stupid mistakes is pretty frustrating sometimes.
Thanks for showing your kind heart though, anon.

>>4201542
You should repost your Sakuya.a flowchart, I forgot to save it.

Hostan:

76.28.244.101:10800
USWest
Kind and gentle tier

1.10 will change everything

>>4201605
Saguya flowchart, where!?

>>4201614
I find it funny how Suwako is not in that chart.
Isn't it sad, little froggie?

>>4201614
It matches the tier lists pretty well, except Remi and Sakuya are misplaced somehow.

>>4201623
So not liking that move is why I suck with Sakuya! Oh well.

>>4201614
Yeah it will when it adds mokou, kaguya, nazrin, and chen

>>4201642
>nazrin and chen
Like that's ever gonna happen
Mokou, Kaguya, Wriggle and Nitori are fine tough

>>4201592
You don't need reflexes if you already know what's going to happen.

>>4201628
I don't play Suwako so I wouldn't know how to rate her.
Not that I tried.

>>4201614
>Iku
>Only 3 in crossup

Someone needs to lrn2Iku

It's me! The one who's stupid enough to only play Suwako.

88.90.244.220:10800

>>4201730
I.e. doesn't care about winning.

- Su

>>4201704
How? It's not hard to react to crossup j.2A or j.5A jumps and Ikus danmaku is rather straightforward.

80.192.27.246:10800
Europe.

>>4201704
Someone needs to lrn2block

>>4201614
This is missing a lot of stats to be any useful.
Fighting game related: Full spirit bar reliance / Nonstandart pressure escape methods.
Weather related: Abuse opportunities / General weather disadvantage
TCG related: Drawing Power, Bomb&Hangeki reliance, Cards Max Power, Cards cost-benefit ratio, skills long-term enhancing, specific cards reliance, low cost reliance, high cost reliance, card synergy.

Other things are just wrong, like Reimu having a bad hitbox advantage

>>4201605
Good games, Nameless. It feels like I'm the only one here who's too much of a scrub to be able to BE properly.

>>4201837
Guy, join >>4201730
I want to see if it lags or not. Please?

>>4201837
good games, i still need practice with 2BE. I misinput it and do a 4BE like half the time and it kills me in the corner.

Ya, too much lag for me.
Still hosting >>4201730; from EU.

>>4201730
Seems like there's some delay, but not quite as bad as I would've imagined. Good game, Su.

>>4201864
You were BEing at almost the perfect times against my Meiling, it was really throwing me off.

>>4201623
Too lazy!

>>4201833
I thought about bringing
>General weather disadvantage
>Cards Max Power
>Cards cost-benefit ratio
in, but everything else doesn't either 1.matter much or 2.doesn't have any differences between characters.

Why would one character rely more on bombs than another? Because of their own hitbox? Or DP options? Those are in the other stats already.

Reimu is tall compared to Youmu etc. and doesn't have any fucked up hitboxes like Sakuya, so I do not really understand your point.

>>4201759
Good games.

>>4201963
Yeah, thanks for showing me just how much I really suck. I really need to learn some combos or something...

Anyway, rehosting:
80.192.27.246:10800
Europe.

>>4201975
Learn 2-3 combos for the character you want to play and block a little more when your opponent is in melee range.

It'll take some time to learn this stuff, so just keep playing and you'll learn eventually.

>>4201614
not bad. I'll give you a 6 out of 10.

75.79.143.22:10800 West Coast

>>4201900
About Reimu's hitbox: I play Iku, her attack hitboxes are rather pinpoint-ish, and her attacks are punishable on whiff, so she's particularly fragile to this trait. Reimu's j.5A has a lot of range for its speed, and her ground attacks change her own hitbox size and position, and she evades the attacks (if her hitbox had been in the midle of her sprite, she'd have been hit).
So she does have some weird hitboxes. She's also small compared to most of the cast.
A Character that is Full Spirit Bar reliant can't build an offensive after a BE, so it's relevant. Specific Cards Reliance means the deckbuilding can't be as good, and at its worst means the character has almost no chance to win the first round, and is a bad matchup against any pressure based character/deck.
You're right about the bomb/hangeki reliance though.

I don't consider this game a simple fighting game, it has so many TCG related things one could call it a hybrid of the two genres. Some characters even have lvl5 SC nukes that pretty much assure 2/3 of a round per game. i.e. Iku's lvl5 SC. Its use is not trivial, but it's not that complicated either to make it deal 5k damage surely, and sometimes 7k (except vs remilia, where it does nothing).

>>4201614
Why does Yukari have a 3 in dash/flight? There are certain spells she can't graze because her dash is non-continuous.

>>4202172
She does have a hoverdash which makes her immune against certain low attacks. That should make up for it.

>>4202185
Not really. She pretty much has no way around cards like Royal Flare, which have much more of an impact than certain grounded attacks.

>>4202201
This Anon obviously doesn't know about HJFLC

Looking for host.

>>4202283
Poor Akagi.
If for whatever crazy-ass reason you're still waiting I'll be willing to sandbag you a few.

207.119.199.128:7500
US Central, etc
And if not what the hell, there are only like two or three faggots who still play here anyway.

>>4202258
This anon obviously forgot that it got nerfed in swr 1.02.

>>4202524
Game was actually locked, looked like a graphics issue or something. Nothing going on on your end?

>>4202554
Nothing besides this and Firefox open, nope.
I thought it was pretty weird how it locked up like it did; if it's not location then I have no idea what it could've been.
Always welcome to try again though, bro.

Hosting again, from EU:
88.90.244.220:10800

>>4202560
Nope, guess that isn't going to work, sorry about that. I've never seen it just lock up like that, I will have to look in to it.

>>4202560
Well that's hella weird.
I think I'll dehost and go eat a sandwich or something until E-MAN shows up.
Sorry it didn't work, brah.

68.33.161.2:07500 east coast

>>4202596
Good games, profile1p. Got interrupted a lot.

rehosting

>>4202596
Good show, anon. You seemed to have quite a few distractions around you, unfortunatly. Perhaps we'll have a proper fight another time?

After watching Su and Akagi fight for a while I have come to the following conclusion:

All Suika mains should be shot and their guts spread ut for consumption by the nearby stray dogs.

This is a completely serious wish.

USEast
24.47.61.27:10800

I still suck ass but have been playing around with different deck builds. Kinda want to try them out.

68.149.82.149:10800 Canada West
Tsundere for Marisa tier

>>4202898
;_;

24.253.35.172:10800

just started playing tier
us west

>>4202939
bravo petas i like your walls of dolls, would of helped if you put more bombs in

>>4202958
moe name, gg, little laggy since i guess im on the east side

>>4202898
You sound like all the tourneyfags now.
She's hated by just about everyone who doesn't play her.

>>4202999
Suika isn't as bad as Yukari and Okuu. I just feel trolled every time I play against them.

>>4202585
Great games Su, it was really fun as always, your Suwako never ceases to amaze me.

>>4202898
That, sir, is a fine wish, and I hope it is fulfilled someday.

>>4201614
Where did this come from? It seems semi educated, but then I find some examples that are brutally off.
Also the categories "Wakeup game" and "Crossup" are more than just a little vague.
Wakeup I assume is the ability to oki into chip damage/advantage, but Tenshi is rated 2 despite having 66B 214B for high chip and repressure. Yet Alice is rated 5, despite being unable to effectively oki into any chip damage and C doll setups reduce a blocker's spirit less than the cost to summon said doll.
For crossups Sakuya is by far the best in the game due to bouncing knives of all kinds and j.2a but she has a 4. Remi's dash to j.2A and offensive BEs don't give her a 5 in crossup? How can Reimu's behind the back teleport drops not move her past 1? How is Reisen's crossup rating a 1 when she has j.2a, run through 6a, wakeups with 3[A] and 6[A]. But Alice and Iku (???) have a rating of 3? And Komachi who's only powerful crossups are j.2a and off-screen-fireball is rated the only 5?

>>4203055
GGs, I got tiered of sandbagging (゜∀。) wwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Jokes aside, you started out better than what I remembered from last time we hustled, but then you started wasting your orbs again, and I started flying around aimlessly.

>>4203038
Okuu is easier to punish, so I can forgive they who play her, but I agree that playing Yukaris and Suikas seriously can get tiersome.

>>4202939
Good games, looks like we're both Suika mains. I couldn't really tell who was better though. Was fun.

>>4203167

What you main Suika? I didn't even know, anyway gg.

I just started playing Suika hence all those messed up combos.

>>4203187
Looked like you were doing pretty good with Suika, but your Yukari was probably better now that I think about it.

>>4201614
>Alice has a 3 in high low.
Yeah, everyone's always afraid of those Alice low hits. All 2 of them, 2A and 4A/5A first two hits.
>Marisa has a 2 in high low.
Never seen a Marisa use 2A 3A/6A, or f.5a 3A/6A. Nope, never.

I HATE JAPAN! 7725012309! TRY AND HACK ME! YA CANT

>>4203229

Yeah I main Yukari but I still can't use all her alt attacks.

>>4203243
OH GOD, HE HATES JAPAN, LET'S HACK HIM AND TEACH HIM A LESSON HE WILL NEVER FORGET

>>4203243
>>4203251

>>4203254
Ever heard about sarcasm?

ggs whatever your name was

24.253.35.172:10800

just started playing tier
us west

>>4202958
my my that was fun you sure love youmu don't you? All i can say from my experience of playing from the pros off /jp/ and dying all the time, youmu needs more pressure, so mix up more with your skills with shoots.
Also i notice you didn't have alot of skill cards in your deck, youmu has other skills that can help her keep the pressure. other than that you were on the pretty much same level as I was. But I did wish i played with my Marisa more. Well dinner chao have fun hostin.

98.92.16.151:10800 East Coast

>>4203055
One more thing: Frog chasing oni never gets old. Ever.

Ever.

>>4202903
Whoops, controller died.

>>4203331

Yeah I figured something was wrong, either that or you were really trying to screw with my head. Either way GGs.

>>4203354
Your Suika is perhaps the second most annoying that I've had the pleasure of fighting against. GGs.

>>4203080
wakeup game is basically okizeme, the ability to get into advantage on the opponents wakeup. So characters that can set up a lot of stuff and get into melee range fast get a higher score. Tenshis j.5A is not meaty at all and most of her bullets except j.2A can't be immediately followed up. I can't see how her 214 would continue pressure outside of a corner, considering the huge push away.
I might have to reconsider Reisens crossup options but I didn't see a single Reimu crossup with teleport since Soku. Remilias ability to crossup drops a lot if she can't ground dash over the opponent. Komachis j.2A and slow whisps get her a deserved 5.

I tried not to base the stats on my opinions as much as possible. Feel free to state your ideas.

>>4203241
I agree that Alices pressure is pretty horrible but her high/low is not that bad.

Marisas only usable high attack is f.5A since 6A cannot chain into anything which reduces her options to either 2A 3A or f5A 3A. (or some risky 5A loop)

>>4203309
yeah i've been told that about keeping pressure up a few times, working on that but i'm pretty crap at attacking while defending. it's kind of pitiful that i play pretty much every other character better than the one i want to be my main...

very fun games though, ggs

>>4203428
>I tried not to base the stats on my opinions as much as possible.
>self-made tier chart for soku
>soku

>>4202596
hosting

>>4203484
Come on now, there's nothing wrong with giving it a shit?

>>4202898
Just curious. Were any opinions made on Suwako players, in contradiction to Suika players?

I'll do something else for 20 min, and host up another one.

GGs brocoli.

>>4203428
But you're missing the point.
Certain characters can set up a lot of shit but can't capitalize on it at all. Other characters can't set up anything but are guaranteed (excluding characters with DPs or reversal cards) to be able to oki into damage. Tenshi 66B 214B, Yukari 66B 623C, etc. As far as some kind of mindgame is involved, there isn't one. But when used properly those okis will add 300-500 damage to every knockdown. Alice can throw a ton of shit, and then do nothing with it because she spends more spirit setting up than she drains and she has little to no chip damage to gain off of it.

>>4203316
GGs =)
it's been a long time since I last played HTS, more so since I last played intercontinental Soku netplay. At first I was getting some lag but it then got better, even still I'm a long way from learning how to play iwth delay again (the main reason for the Dial-As and failed LC combos =/)

Also, never seen those kinds of Okuu and Tenshi, well, g2g o/

>>4203760
>=)
>=/
>g2g o/
This kind of posting is discouraged in /jp/. Please try to refrain from using emotes and unnecessary abbreviations in the future. It makes the netplay threads and the people who participate in them look bad.

:(

man u guy so good.

=\ I wish i was better. ok who can help me? =)

>>4203428
Dimglow here. As probably the top tourneyfag with Yukari I'll give you my opinion on Yukari's stats. You didn't do a bad job, there are a few mistakes though.
Midscreen: 3. Yukari's top combo against 5 characters is 1510 damage. The other 150 can be hit for 2800+, but only if flush against Yukari. Average midscreen damage is ~2000ish.
Corner: 3. Yukari's damage goes down in the corner on some characters. Tops out around 2400, but 2200 is your only reliable bet.
Air damage: 2. Yukari's big weakness is air to air. I'd lean towards 1 but there are weaker characters who belong in 1.
Bullet cover: 3. B bullets work at midrange, longrange they fan out and lose effectiveness. 2C is the only bullet cover option for air to air, but it also does the job well. Long range cover can only be generated through spellcards.
Bullet Force: 5. I assume this means density, ability to cut through other bullets, not damage.
Midscreen Pressure: 4. Would be 5 if 1/4th of the cast had much less fear of midscreen.
Corner Pressure: 3. Nothing is tight. Nothing frametraps. Highjumps are difficult to punish.
Air Pressure: 2. Yukari has one airtight string in the air. It costs 2.5x more orbs to perform than it drains. But she can air pressure into grounded unblockables.
High/Low: 4 is fair. Would be 5 if she had a 3[A].
More in next post.

USEast
24.47.61.27:10800

Still not very good tier.

can't BE tier
requesting hoster with a broken hand
i need to feel good about myself

>>4203843
Wakeup game: 3. 66b 623C is too good to pass up.
Spirit Damage: 3 is fair. SWR Yukari was a 5 here though. Poor Ran.
Graze Attacks: 6. Once 66C gets nerfed then it would be a 5. Right now though... 6.
Jump punish: 2. Yukari high jump punish is 1. Normal jump punish is 3ish.
Reversal/DP: 4 if you count 66C as a reversal. If not then 3. While not having a DP, proper use of ducking into borders with 3A or 2B and using 623 give her strong break out potential.
Anti Air: 4. Good call here.
Dash/Flight: N/A. Yukari's dash is too weird to judge fairly. The sideways hitbox part sucks. Dashing over some low attacks is strong though. Walldashing also is pretty weak in some matchups and annoyingly strong in others.
Crossup: 3. And all that's holding that 3 up is teleports.
Hitbox: 2. This is fair. Yukari's hitbox is really big, but she's no Iku who's hitbox is both giant and floaty letting her get hit by everything.

>>4203886
I think I can play like that...

68.116.140.238:10800
US Central

For sandbagger's sake tier

>>4203852
Rehosting.

GGs anon.

So how do I open my port to host? I been on whatyourIP.com, seen my IP, now what.
and explain it that a caveman could do it, im not techy save.

>>4203954
http://portforward.com/

so is no one else hosting? All i keep watching is a Sakuya fighting China over and over.

Hostan again, still from EU:
88.90.244.220:10800

68.146.222.28:10800
Canada
No Hands Tier

Connection is still shit, Loliball.

>>4204012
Still hostan.

damn it

>>4203843
>>4203899
Thanks. We seem to agree on most things.

Corner dmg: I'm pretty sure 5AAA 5B 5C 623C works on everyone in point-blank corner. Up to 2633 damage depending on character.

Midscreen presuure: I gave her a 5 because Yukari can continue pressure about forever if you can get them to wrongblock 3A or 6A every time, and even if they don't you can punish grazing out.

Corner pressure: No frametraps? No punish jumping out? 623 is all you need for that. You can get people to block everything if you get them to fear the spinnin' parasol.

The 2 on reversal is solely because of her 4card pinku border. It's a reversal, that's about it.

For hitbox, she does have 3A. I'm sure you know how to use it that way.

67.163.49.53:06112
US Central
Why aren't they in this game I hate you Tasofro-tier

71.175.58.135:10800
East Coast
Alice Tier

People be hostan, no one be joinan >>4204012

>>4204147
But noone wants to play against Suwako!

>>4204095
I would be wary of making assumptions of perfect conditions which seems to be what you're working with.
Yukari combos fall apart if a few pixels of distance are thrown in, such as you are near corner and begin a dial A pushing them back, or if the opponent is ducking when they get hit, IE pushing 2 8 to highjump. Sure with a perfect corner and a flush position you can do more, but I'll have to ask you to take my word for it that the average damage potential is considerably lower, especially since 3A loses nearly all comboability in the corner.
Regarding midscreen pressure, again, how can you assume you'll force someone to wrongblock 6A/3A perfectly? Yukari's midscreen pressure comes from the extravagant blockstun/pushback on B bullets, but that loses steam against the 5 characters who aren't tightly pressured by it and anyone who ducks or has a very fast backdash, like Suika. Also worst case scenario is getting DP mashed during a blocked dial A. Believe it or not Youmu/Remi/Etc can DP between the 3rd and 4th hit in dial A even if you do it as fast as possible.
Corner pressure requires wrongblocks to operate. If an enemy rightblocks your only recourse would be 623C, so you get chips and you reset to neutral or pay a spellcard after 623c and repressure.
As for reversals, if the criteria is invulnerable reversals that's fair. There is also a tiny (yet worthless) startup invulnerability on Nests as well.

>>4204188
How sad. WHAT IF I PLAY PATCHA DA SPAMMA!?

>>4204209
If you get a 5A with dashing momentum to hit, theres not much that can go wrong.
I can see that we are playing Yukari completley different when you say that you rely on 5B in your midscreen pressure. I usually go for 5AA/2AAA -> 6A/3A -> 2C and if its wrongblocked you can rejump. If it's blocked right do 623C and it will beat most graze attacks and jumpouts. You can also take out the 6A/3A part and go for 2C- rejump right after if they are just waiting for 6A/3A. (an opponent that blocks low rarely jumps out)
I find the risk of getting hit by a graze attack while doing 5B a little intimidating.
You do not have to use a spellcard after 623C. Most characters can't punish it and either try to do some long-range poke after it which gives you momentum again or dash into 5a/2a which leaves them open for the dash.

My Yukari would fail much less If I didn't have to use j.6A so often and of course, get punished for a whiff. I also never played someone who uses BE as anything else than a last escape from a crush by the way.

Holy shit E-man. Damn good games.

>>4204130

ggs

>>4204130
Rehosting

>>4204388
You're welcome to play me. I don't know who you are to comment on your Yukari, but if there's someone out there who thinks they've mastered some kind of high powered unstoppable midscreen string I'd like to see it in action. I'm always happy to learn.

>>4204023
for a lazy handless dude you play pretty good. Uh all i can say is skill cards are useful, and for youmu play, use her B for cover, and rush in with the bullets, but you cant really use them for real damage compared to the other Touhous.
Watch a couple of these guys play matches and learn combos for limit breaking, and o right make sure you time the spell cards, cause there was a lot of missed times you could of own the match if they hit. try to do 5AA to at least make an opening, you lose some damage off the spell but at least it forces a hit.

Youmu:
Corner Damage: 5
Air Damage: 5
Air Pressure: 5
Spirit Damage: 3 (her strings get really loose if you go for spirit damage)
Anti Air: 2
Crossup: 4 (tons of oki crossup setups and bullet gimmicks.)

>>4204388
This discussion is fascinating. I just wish that there was a really good Remilia player (maybe anonymous could work? he seemed pretty decent with her) to argue against putting her at 47 - on par with Meiling herself. I mean, don't get me wrong: my Remilia would be rated a 0, but I think that she has so much more potential and actual output than what you represented.

Anyways, what do you mean by "damage"? Like, with corner damage do you mean how much damage is essentially guaranteed when the character traps their opponent in the corner, or is it simply an analysis of the highest possible damage in midscreen and highest possible damage in corner? Does ease of execution get factored in, or is it all about the ending number?

>>4204377
source?

>>4203753
>Yukari 66B 623C
what is this supposed to do? this is garbage.

>>4204455
>Garbage
Because doing 360 bonus damage safely on every knockdown enemy is bad.

>>4203929
GGs Fiddy-Won

Can't find anything to say but I can see some improvement in you. Just learn to expand on those tech traps that you nailed me so many times. Picking off another 1500+ dmg combo is alot better than just hitting a j.5A and landing; against a better player you'd catch DPs, counter combos, or simply someone that blocks and picks off your mistakes later. Just a basic j.5A6A [6B with Suika/Reimu/Sakuya, 5C everyone else] can do some damage, and take off MORE than a normal combo+SC if done multiple times in a match. Those matches were close because I held back during Typhoons, but nailing those tech traps will make any real match your victory.

Thanks for the matches.

>>4204434
Thanks for the tips, was fun playing.

>>4204461
Because a smidgen of chip damage is worth sacrificing everything else.
Why'd you even make this tier pic anyway? Guess I should up your rating to 7.

187.152.253.206:10800
Central~

>>4204471
Guaranteed damage and a reset to neutral in almost every situation or bet it all on winning a series of 50:50s that require multiple wrongblocks for a border resisted combo?
And what picture did I supposedly make? I only made the second tenco average picture.

>>4204511
You're doing it wrong.

>>4204500
can i blame my gameplay on lag?

>>4203843
>Corner Pressure: 3. Nothing is tight. Nothing frametraps.
And you call yourself the top Yukari tourneyfag.

>>4204538
when did this game stop being for the fun?

>>4204544
Trust me, I'm having plenty of fun.

>>4204426
I didn't say that it's unbeatable. It's even pretty easy to get out if you just block right once. I just don't like to throw my delicious pressure away by pushing them half a screen away.
You would beat me for sure but I strongly dislike playing in delay so forget about that.

>>4204445
Can you explain why so much damage? Especially the air damage seems really unlikely since I don't know a single combo that does more than 2600 and that's in the near corner. Also air pressure? Is there anything tight after j.6A or j.8A? Even if you get a 6C or 5C blocked, can you follow it up?
I realize her 5C and 2C are a great tool for oki put that goes straight into wakeup game.

>>4204448
By damage, I mean the raw damage, starting from either 5A, far5A or a close bullet without spellcards. Those could go into a seperate one, but I'm not sure. The stats are on average as Dimglow said. If you can do 50% 1500 on tiny characters and 50% 2500 damage on tall ones you get an average of 2000. Marisa can do 3500 damage midscreen on 20% of the cast with some amount of execution, but her average is still horrible.

I didn't do perfect calculations but took in mind what I know.

>>4204538
>Trolls trolling trolls.jpg
I thought maybe someone was working on a project and offered insight on one character to help improve it. I guess that was a mistake and now someone thinks there's blood in the water and is trolling full force.
Though actually I am pretty sure who it is, given a past grudge and the 'rating' comment. Cute as always.
>>4204544
It is, don't let it bother you.

>>4204511
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glicko_rating_system

It's the top10 of each characters' rating I guess.

>>4204567
Don't be shy. Share who you think it is so we can laugh at you.

>>4204500

Good games dude. Sorry for being so persistent, that's because sometimes the lag wears off after a few games. It looks like it isn't the case today... Let's fight another time.

>>4204566
Youmu damage so high for it's reliability. Being able to turn any hit anywhere near the corner into 2400 is pretty buff. If you only want potential then Suika ought to be like a 6 for her 3k situationals and setups. And if you'd like to watch my replays with Magister recently, Youmu does rather well against chickenblocking because of j5/2c. I'm the only youmu who does this though that I know of.

>>4204566
The pushback is one of Yukari's best powers though. It corners opponents quickly.
You can retain pressure after 5B, but you have to learn to do what I call skimkicking (really low to the ground j.6a into j.5c) and then D6 (not j.66, Yukari j.66 has arc) into another skimkick or j.5A depending on distance. But you said you had some trouble with j.6a earlier if this is the same person (and missing it will hang you out to dry.) It's difficult but with proper spacing j.6a j.5c becomes tight. Just never do it without a dash cancel remaining or you'll get stuck.
Alternatively you can triangle jump (be careful not to impact land and trigger recovery coming down) and repressure on the ground in some situations near the corner.
If you need clarification or anything feel free to ask.
>>4204580
Yes, here is the Japanese Soku ladder: http://tenco.info/game/2/pov/1/type1/
It is constantly being updated, and that graph is already 2 weeks old.

Don't fool yourselves the top Yukari tourneyfag is YOUZI.

>>4204608
I may be interested. What were the match-ups?

>>4204605
GGs Cant blame lag, Im just used to it as its not so much.

Rehosting
>>4204500

>>4204119
Good games.
You should never mash on wakeup. Even if it looks like your opponent is out of melee range you can still be hit. You misjudged that a lot, especially against Reisen. Also, using Iku's 22c as oki isn't a great idea against characters with a decent graze attack.

Hosting
76.29.15.231:07500
US Midwest

>>4204633
It was Magister (Komachi) vs ZomB (Youmu) from the end of the Doujinstyle tourney I think. Unfortunately a west coast vs east coast final.

>>4204119
Good games duckator

Do you have a main?

>>4204672
Ah, nevermind then. I was just hoping to get some replays of what different characters do against a good pressure Youmu.

>>4204608
>really low to the ground j.6a into j.5c
That's what I do a lot after a blocked B or j.2C. It's almost impossible to hit a crouching Youmu with it right? Once you hit with the first j.6A you can loop into the corner, but if you fail it you die.

>>4204681
Well you can see komachi vs youmu!

>>4204613
>really low to the ground j.6a into j.5c
That's what I do a lot after a blocked B or j.2C. It's almost impossible to hit a crouching Youmu with it right? Once you hit with the first j.6A you can loop into the corner, but if you fail it you die.

>>4204681
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRynTCmWafE

>>4204693
Mmm...my Komachi is about as dangerous as a kitten without claws, but I guess it can't hurt to take a look!

Would you mind posting it?

>>4204701
http://www.sendspace.com/file/qbu6ho
some other random zomb reps in here

>>4204698
Not impossible, but difficult. The Youmu runs the risk of wrongblocking j.6a though, which can really eat spirit since it ensures the j.5c is tight.

>>4204707
I didn't see you mix very many 6As in with the 2As when you had him in the corner. Is there a frame disadvantage if he were to predict and properly block the 6A?

>>4204740
Are there any melee hits beside 2a and 4a that do NOT have frame disadvantage?

>>4204755
I meant to say a significant one, but your point stands, I suppose. It's not like I'm all that great at the game anyways, I was just curious!

Anyway, I feel like playing a little now:

76.28.244.101:10800
USWest
Needs to think a little bit before posting tier.

request a handless hoster da ze

>>4204809
Not falling for that again.

>>4204833
what'd i do? I just want a handicap to make up for my ability to only press 1 button at a time.
I want to fight Guy but his port won't let me..I want to be man handled again.

>>4204773
I had stopped fapping just to see Guy fighting someone, but couldn't connect! Oh damn. Back to fapping.

68.116.140.238:10800
US Central

ZomB's on the prowl? Future looks hazy tier

68.105.81.55:10800
US west
irc tier
remi/iku

>>4204707
I hope Magister won most of those matches because I really need some advice on playing the Komachi side of the Komachi/Youmu matchup. Downloading and taking a look now.

>>4204880
hey www i hope you don't mind but I fucked year and raised my fist for you when you won that Marisa clone match.
You believed in the heart of the cards.

>>4204773
Good games, Akagi. Sorry to cut it short, but the delay was beginning to annoy me.

Rehostan.

>>4204773
O guy how I wish I could play like you.

>>4204996
Yeah, don't worry Guy. It's a shame that I will never be able to play a clean game against you, even though you'd probably destroy me in a matter of seconds.

Damn, your Meiling's become a killing machine. Give me some replays were you play her without dropping inputs, please, I'm in awe.

>>4204996
Yeah, don't worry Guy. It's a shame that I will never be able to play a clean game against you, even though you'd probably destroy me in a matter of seconds.

Damn, your Meiling's become a killing machine. Give me some replays where you play her without dropping inputs, please, I'm in awe.

24.126.238.181:10800
US East
Above beginner level.

us west
24.253.35.172

just started playing/somewhat intoxicated tier
don't mind good players if you don't mind boring instant wins heh :>

>>4205130
oops, 24.253.35.172:10800

>>4204665
Good games.
I'm pretty bad when it comes to anti-air

>>4204665
GGs Duck, air attacks opens a lot of openings though, I have different styles with the other 3 decks

>>4204913
GGs mysterious blank player name

I like that bullet drill <3

>>4204880
GGs www

Hope that was entertaining enough. Had fun until I started playing like shit towards the last few matches. And freebie win at the end? <_<

>>4205192
Good games, your Remi was fun to play.

>>4205197

Good games, i find it hard to play so many characters, i end up trying to do moves they dont know. Or combos getting mixed up.

And i just like to try out Suwako when im about to quit.

>>4205140
gg SUPAKAWAII

im bored isn't anyone going to beat me up? i just want to be touched...

>>4204996
Good games, Disco. Your combo execution is pretty good, but your Iku especially gets a bit too predictable. You might want to try to switch it up just a little bit instead of always doing 5C after 5AAA, I was getting combos for free because of it.

>>4205050
>>4205030
You guys are severely overestimating me. Watch some matches of ZomB, Magister, Beats, anonymous, Dimglow, Icekin, and people like them to get a feel for some decent playing.

>>4204773
Rehostan.

>>4205329
Good games Guy, I could only beat your Komachi

And yeah, I kept trying to make myself do the drill attack after 5AAA, but I'm so locked into doing a projectile attack after it for combos that I did it every time

>>4205319
ggs... very competitive! ;_;

rehosting
>>4202958

>>4205360
...uhhh did you disconnect or just don't want to fight me?

sorry controller assed out whoever just joined

>>4205382
great now i have to wait for another free host...its sad knowing i spent an hour waiting for a free room ;_;

Anyone from EU still up at this hour? Then join me, because you don't have anything better to do.
88.90.244.220:10800

>>4205397
I'll host for you.
76.29.15.231:07500
US Midwest

Suika being the one you almost won with, ain't it typical. I almost got srs face at the end.

>>4205438
god damn su never got one win on you, even with loliball you sure know how to use suwako well

>>4205329
Good games, Salty. Not sure what happened there at the end, I don't think I pressed esc. Anyways, I hope I wasn't too predictable, some of your DPs were bordering on precognition. Nice Reimu, but weird deck you have there.

>>4205099

Judicant here, sorry I couldn't give you a challenge, since I'm pretty damn bad; gg's either way.
Perhaps one of these days I'll learn how to play.

>>4205099
Hey, good games Judicant. I don't think I've played you before.

Be careful with wakeup crossups, and your Marisa does a bit too much unsafe stuff like 6[A] and 6A (if you do the latter, be sure to cancel it into 214 or 623 once in a while). Beyond that, Alice is tough to play, so I have respect for anyone trying to main her.

>>4205552
its the deck for the scarlet union rules
and i'm too lazy to switch decks

>>4205573
Hahaha, I see.

>>4205542
Thanks, I was hyper playing, as you probably could tell. It helps on putting the input training to action. GGs.

"The 7 Laws"

1. Corner Assaults shall only last 10 seconds from the collision of the wall.

2. A single move cannot be used more than 5 times in a row.

3. A match that lasts more than 10 minutes is decided and given to the person with the most health.

4. No more than 3 of the same card may be permitted in a single deck.

5 If a person doesn't show up for a match within 10 minutes, they forfeit that match.

6. A match without a spectator and replay does NOT count. (if this is an issue for you, just make sure that the AutoReplay option is checked before the official match starts.)

7. A Judges decision is final.

NOTE: These 7 Laws are only applicable toward the three SU exclusive events (above) and have no effect on regulare matches. Failure to comply to these simple seven rules will risk termination of your groups' existance.

Enjoy Casual Play on a Casual Game

>>4205571

Thanks for the feedback man. I've been trying to figure out how to play Alice, a few things work, some of the time... not really; but it's not impossible.
I thought I would be able to at least beat the Suwako but I love to shoot off random spellcards with no real setup.

>>4205602
SU is too intimidating. I admire you brave and intrepid tourneyfriends who venture forth to play with such high class players and serious rules.

>>4205602
>tourneyfaggotry
>banning parts of the game

>>4205602
>4. No more than 3 of the same card may be permitted in a single deck.
Wait, so I can't put 4 Giant Catfishes in my deck? The horror!

>>4205602
>BAWWWWWWWW everyone beats me to games so I pull Laws out of my ass to win

>>4205444
sorry for sucking so much duck eh not one win against you, just asking are you playing a controller? it seems like alot of you /jp/ players are doing fairly quick dashing back and forth.
Also I hope you don't mind but I'll be stealing that reimu slide up kick combo from you.

>>4205444
Good games Da Ze.
I don't know if you were the person I was waiting for but I'm glad someone joined at all.

>>4205602

Sounds like rules some faggots made up to counter what they are incapable of doing.

>>4204672
It is cross country, but I get much better delay to ZomB than to most people US Central. Go figure.

>>4205641
>sorry for sucking so much duck eh not one win against you
That's nothing to be sorry about. Everyone has to start somewhere.
>are you playing a controller?
Yes, a PS2 controller.
>Also I hope you don't mind but I'll be stealing that reimu slide up kick combo from you.
I don't mind, I borrowed it from someone else anyway.

>>4205669

How do you connect a PS2 controller to the computer?

>>4205669
so if i was to buy a ps2 controller, would that help my game out? I do prefer a D pad over the keyboard attach to my laptop.
Can you believe that if I hold 3 buttons at once it makes a beeping sound and breaks command? So many fucking beeps...

>>4205397
ahh sorry, someone rejoined right away when i rehosted, i figured it was the same person.

ever try #hisouten on irc.rizon.net? pretty easy to find games there

>>4205360
GGs you gotta learn more blocking and grazing into lots of bullets

>>4205698
IRC? are you mad? I wouldn't even be able to get a hit in, let alone have a chance to actually play without being tossed around. Unless there's a room for new players playing newly like new people such as myself then i rather hang and learn with /jp/.

>>4205609
I noticed you had Light Sign 'Luminous Strike'. That's a pretty good spellcard. At worst, you can use it after a blocked dial-A for chip damage, at best, it'll crush an orb and deal a fair amount of damage.

Don't bother with Perversion 'Sure-Fire Master Spark'. It's pretty much impossible to combo into unless you predict a CH 66C correctly. Otherwise, barring your opponent falling asleep, it'll never hit. Consider using Magicannon 'Final Spark' instead--it combos off dial-A (on hit), plus can be used after a successful 3[A] crush. Speaking of which, you should consider using 3[A] in your Marisa strings (albeit sparingly). It's much safer than 6[A] and also a lot faster thus harder to block on reaction.

Activate Crystals Motherfuckers! "I wanna see dat hat swirming around wwwwwww". Da best SP evar!

>>4205681
dpad might be worse than a keyboard... afaik a lot of people use controllers for the analog stick, since you can just kind of rotate it in certain ways without having to be all that precise to pull off 623s/etc.

to use ps2 controller on pc you need an adapter to convert it to usb i believe, don't quote me on that though. plenty of info on google to be found

>>4205712
Well there are some new players around IRC once in a while so you may play against them and learn some combos and blockstrings there

Also rehosting
>>4204500

>>4205721
For some reason I'm most comfortable with the d-pad.

>>4205681
It might make things easier to execute for you, but there are some pretty good players who use keyboard as well.

>>4205712
haha, well i hang out there and we seemed like a good match up.

>>4205699
yeah i need to learn pretty much everything apparently.. ggs

>>4205721
or just use a ps3 controller with the usb cable, should work right?

>>4205681
Maybe, it all depends on what you're most comfortable with. I'd recommend a USB controller over a PS2 controller though. It'd be cheaper to get a USB one instead of both a PS2 controller and an adapter.

I've been thinking of getting an arcade stick. Has anyone tried one with 12.3 or any of the other touhou games?

>>4205750
yeah, it works. plug it in, let windows drivers install and fail miserably, then install motionjoy and hopefully all should be well.

if you're 64-bit, you'll have to disable driver signature enforcement every time you start windows by hitting f8 during post.

>>4205438
FIREBALLS
5C
LOADING TIMES
CRYSTALS
EVERYWHERE

Hell, it must be fun to play with me, Su. Thank you for hosting in this early hour

>>4205794
Just tell him to Google or YouTube "DS3 controller PC".

I've been there, and it was a hassle, but it works now. With a workaround, I don't need to disable driver signature chack at every damn start-up. I still play keyboard, though. It's the only way for me. You can't rape a controller like you can rape dat keyboard. I'm so tsundere for dat keyboard.

hey guys i just notice something. Even if i was to get a controller for this game I still won't be any good at it. I think I will stop for now until 1.10 comes, i'll pop in once in a while have fun without me ze~

>>4205845
If you don't play then it's only natural that you won't get any better at it. It's impossible to play without improving, even if one can't notice it

>>4205820
I was mind gaming you under those loading times, man. It's all about dem mind games.

I don't know if I can forgive that foreball spam, but I got my one pure pwnage match (3rd round?), saved it. There's nothing like pulling off that double dash corner rape.

>>4205845
Whatever lets you have fun, I suppose. If you just keep at it, you'll get better eventually. I started out horrible, and after a few months I can proudly say that I am marginally less horrible.

>>4205828
That's another thing I like about the PS2 controller. No fuss, I just got the converter, plugged it in to my computer, and started playing. Plus, the sixaxis and Dualshock 3 feel weird, for some reason.

>>4205828
Ah, but can you throw the keyboard across the room when you lose? Just kidding, who actually does that? voluminouswillow.jpg

Fucking bump-limit. See you next morning, bros.

>>4205894
I had to check up on that statement of yours, DS3 feeling different to DS2. Well, there actually are some differences! The body finish on the DS3 is mat, so it offers less friction to your hands. The L/R2 buttons or push sensetive, but who gives a damn? The analog sticks are a tine little bit smaller, maybe 0,5mm smaller radius? Most importantly, even the analog sticks offer less friction than the DS2 controller. Even more importantly, there's no such thing as a pinku Sixaxis/DS3 controller! FFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Anyway, D-pad is the only way for me too, somehow the analog stick points upwards when I wanna go right. Mastering that 623/421 would be a hassle anyway, and 22, double dashes...

My keyboard is a brick, I would surely break the house!