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I fucking love taste tier threads!

List sucks, too many UFO songs are rated higher than "Meh".

>Chen's stage theme
>God tier

Wow, I forgot how awesome Sakuya's stage theme was.

I like EoSD and PCB the best.
MoF, IN, and SA are okay, and UFO is iffy.

>>4194596

In a Japanese poll of non-Touhou players (where they asked people to rate random Touhou songs), Chen's stage theme got the highest ratings.

MoF>IN=EoSD>PCB>=SA=UFO
If you disagree you're a faggot.

>>4194611
>implying secondaryfags have good opinions

>>4194618

Not secondaryfags, people who had never heard of Touhou.

The idea was to dissociate the song from the character to get a more accurate opinion of the actual music as opposed to the character it's associated with.

IN>MOF>UFO>SA>PCB=EoSD

>>4194596
How can you not like Legend of Tohno? I'm afraid I simply don't understand. Although, the low ranking of MoF confuses me as well, all of the stage themes were very solid, and it had some pretty good boss themes as well (Because Princess Inada is Scolding Me, Candid Friend, Suwa Foughten Field).

>A TINY TINY CLEVER COMMANDER
>not god tier

>10 -> 5 -> 3 -> 2 -> 1
unbalanced point system is unbalanced

>>Heian Alien - Awesome Tier
>>The Primal Scene of Japan the Girl Saw - Meh

>>4194638
It's good, but it's certainly not God tier

>>4194627
>The idea was to dissociate the song from the character to get a more accurate opinion of the actual music as opposed to the character it's associated with.

Except you know, that ZUN's entire inception of a song is based upon a feeling of the character or location.

It's pointless commenting on game music if you haven't actually played the game it's in and experienced it.

>>4194638
I like Legend of Tohno but not in god tier.
Putting The Doll Maker of Bucuresti in god tier is pure trolling though.
I agree about MoF too.

I love UFO's music.
Why do you guys hate it so much?

>>4194688
I wuv it.
specially a tiny tiny clever commander

>Cinderella Cage ~ Kagome-Kagome meh tier

FUCKING WHAT?

>>4194688
Captain Murasa was really good but the rest beyond Fires of Hokkai and the said theme are middle of the pack at best.

>>4194659
THIS. A character's theme song in a Touhou game matches the character's personality extremely well in almost all circumstances. A stage theme song matches the intensity of bullet patterns in the stage with the pace almost ALWAYS.

Listen to Capital City of Flowers in the Sky. You can tell just by listening where the shitstorms of bullets come in, where you fight Lily White, where you start getting deathfairies, and finally the breather at the end where you have a five second pause to catch your breath before the boss.

>no PoFV music

>>4194611
>In a Japanese poll of non-Touhou players (where they asked people to rate random Touhou songs), Chen's stage theme got the highest ratings.

>Implying that they somehow got random people to sit through this entire list of crap

>>4194568
Wow, you seem to have a serious case of no taste.

>>4194735
Secondaryfags. Hundreds of thousands of them.

>Shou's boss theme
>meh tier
WHAT THE FUCK

...

10/10.

>>4194659
The point was to see how well the music does for itself, nothing more nothing less.
No need to get defensive about your video game music.

>>4194763
>the point was to troll
8/10

Let's pretend like we really give a shit about someone else's OPINION and then let's pretend that our OPINION is the word of truth. Such a fun game!

>patchouli's theme
>meh

get... the... fuck... out...

who gives a crap little wayne is better than any of this

He claims to be a primary fan but still hasn't listened to ZUN's Seihou music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUmI-ddLgm4&fmt=18

>>4194568

>Candid Friend
>Lower then her stage music.

I know this list is just another case of MY TASTES>YOUR TASTES but god damn, OP is a faggot for this one.

>>4194596
That's perfectly understandable. Now, "Withered Leaf" in lowest tier is pure trolling.

>>4194670
SWR version.

>Shanghai Teahouse ~ Chinese Tea in Good Tier
>Implying that it's not the best track in EoSD

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>>4194774

It's not a great track. The remixes are really much better than the original.

What a shitty tier list.
Everyone knows my opinion>your opinion

Despite OP's terrible taste in music, he has at least managed to some how stumble on why PCB is the best game musically; consistency. EoSD has some great themes, arguably some of the best in the series, but they are mostly the final themes. PCB is pretty much all good with some greats.

>>4194790
BRO FIST

I usually don't bother posting in shitty tier list threads like this, but I thought I'd just stop by to express my amazement at how incredibly terrible OP's taste it. Carry on.

>>4194811

What I liked the most about PCB is how the music fit the characters, stages, and theme of the game so incredibly well. It simply "fit".

>>4194820
This. Seriously I think the only music I was kind of meh about (in terms of matching the boss in personality) was Chen's theme, and that redeemed itself with the extra stage theme.

>Septette
>Not in God tier despite being one of the most popular, recognized and respected.
>Heian Alien in the same tier

I don't have words for this.

This thread is pointless. The arguing about which Touhou song is the best could very well last for ages. Plus this is a troll boot camp.

>>4194782
Being a Touhou fan ≠ being a ZUN fan.

>>4194820
If we are discussing aesthetics and fitting pieces we should be putting MoF up there. It really gives the feeling of autumn and builds up well to when Virtue of Wind God comes the melody hits it's most epic point.

Jesus fuck, /jp/. Did someone set up a troll radar jammer here?

>>4194848

I thought the stage 4 theme was the most fitting in Mountain of Faith: it perfectly evoked the "waterfall" image of the stage.

>>4194838
Didn't ZUN rip half of that from some Bach piece?

>>4194850

Everything in EoSD was good.
Everything in SA was good.
Everything in PCB was good.
Everything in IN was good.
Everything in MoF was good.
Almost everything in UFO was boring.

>>4194855

Just the first chord or two, nothing else.

>>4194854
Same here, that and Tomorrow will be Special; Yesterday was not are the best stage themes.

>>4194853
Ya man, my perk is scrambler

>>4194725
>A character's theme song in a Touhou game matches the character's personality extremely well in almost all circumstances.
Have you ever heard of the texas sharpshooter fallacy?

>>4194855
Also named it after a Ravel piece. The guy must have pretty good taste.

I know UFO seemed to have had a slight shift musically, but it wasn't THAT bad.

Most people who don't like UFO's music became fans after or around when SA was released. I'm not going to end my post with "prove me wrong" or some such faggotry, but I can pretty much guarantee it.

>>4194868
Have you ever heard U.N. Owen Was Her? Do you know what Flandre's personality is like? Do you honestly see no connection?

>>4194855

About 5 seconds of the intro. Named after Ravel's Pavane for a Dead Princess.

Those are references and allusions though. The melody itself is entirely ZUN and the alcohol running through his veins.

Can't we all just agree on this? >>4194799

>>4194870
>>4194861
>>4194888
Get out of here ZUN, just admit that you plagerize shit.
Also /r/ that one video that proves it.

>>4194898
Inspired by.

>>4194848

Which is why I used to find the MoF hate amusing. It seems to happen with every new release, at first there is amusement at the new characters, quickly followed by 'the music isn't as good these days' along with the usual picking apart the actual mechanics (which admittedly are MoF's weak points) then after a year or two people realise they love it and the new characters they were uncertain about.

Same happened to SA, lots of 'the music is kind of meh' comments, laughter at the new characters and how retarded they looked, bitching about certain mechanics. Now everyone loves the characters and many of the themes are cherished.

It'll probably happen to UFO in time. Byakuren is already very popular, along with her followers. The most popular themes are now getting rearranges, some rather good ones, some not so good. Chances are people will remember it fondly. Where it stands in the series depends on the individual though, personally I think it was a good game, but I preferred SA's style. The UFO's were a nice gimmick but take too much attention away from the patterns.

>>4194877
Flandre's personality is not as maniacal and unstable as fans claim it to be.

Utsuho has the best crazy outfit discuss

>>4194898
>Implying that most music artists don't recycle melodies.

>>4194924

Outfit? Her dress is nothing to odd. It's the other add-ons that make it a clusterfuck design.

>>4194906

I doubt it.

I've been a fan since a bit before MoF.

MoF was very awesome on release; almost all the complaints were about the gameplay (specifically, the bombing system and lack of graze). These were actually valid enough complaints that ZUN rolled then back in SA (the grazing) and UFO (the bombing).

SA was extremely awesome on release. When the demo came out, everyone was like HOLY SHIT A BUCKET LOLI etc etc etc. The primary complaint was that it was hard as fuck, but everyone instantly loved a large portion of the music. I know I definitely did.

UFO was just shit on release. Almost none of the themes stood out, the characters were mostly boring, and the UFO mechanic was simply retarded.

Trying to defend UFO by saying "this is how it always works" is retarded, because this is not how it always works.

>>4194924

Outfit? Her dress is nothing too odd. It's the other add-ons that make it a clusterfuck design.

>>4194929
It is, though.

You will note that the most popular fan characters are the SDM characters, followed by Yuyuko/Youmu and the Yakumo family, followed by the Eientei crowd...

Do you see a pattern?

>>4194939
Yeah, Touhou 6 had the best set of characters, and it is gradually getting worse? ZUN is getting tired?

>>4194939

Character popularity is unrelated to the topic. Characters obviously get more doujin material and more backstory over time, so obviously there will be more fanworks now about Flandre than there are about Parsee.

This has nothing to do work "warming up" to the characters; it's simply the fact that the creation of good material takes time.

>>4194929

Selective memory. All these three titles have gone through the same cycle, at least in this community of having the initial release rush (FUCK YEAH, I LOVE THIS NEW SHIT) to the following backlash (ACTUALLY THE MUSIC IS PRETTY CRAP COMPARED TO PREVIOUS BLAH BLAH BLAH) to a year later when the community has moved on to looking forward to the next title and every has taken a more realistic approach to judging the game, admitting it's flaws and successes.

Granted the length each stage lasts depends on the strength of the title and the community at the time, but I remember the MoF hate several months after, along with the SA hate for a little while. SA wasn't disliked nearly as strongly, but a fair number of people did think the music wasn't up to the usual standard for a while.

>>4194877
Canon Flandre doesn't have much of a personality (shooting game boss)
What I'm saying is that the music is a great part the basis of her (interpreted) personality. You hear her theme song, "make a circle around it" and say: "this is her personality" instead of knowing her personality, and then testing if the theme song fits that personality.
Same can be seen in doujin artists' portrayal of Flandre.

>>4194959

But it has happened before. It's called PoFV, and nobody talks about it.

I predict that in 2 years, UFO will have the same status that PoFV does now.

>>4194970
>using an entirely different-styled game as an example
You might want to make your trolling a little less obvious

>>4194959
Just to say, IN, MoF, and UFO were all games I was not excited about upon release. The difference is that the first two I quickly came to like, while I can't remember the last time I played UFO other than around the time it was released. Not saying either of you are wrong or right, but it isn't always like you are describing.

>>4194962
But your argument is like saying 'You're just interpreting Byakuren's dialogue in a certain way to make it sound like she cares about youkai and humans living peacefully!'. There is interpretation, and there is the actual primary data that we get given in canon for determining a character's personality. The character theme is a part of the package we get given by ZUN to imagine the character's personality, along with the art and the dialogue.

Fails because UN Omen isn't in the top tier.
Nothing else matters.

>>4194959
In all honesty, excluding the actual mechanics of the game (since this thread's focus was originally on the music), I fell in love instantly with MoF. In fact, I don't recall there being nearly as many complaints about the MoF music than there were about the music in SA and UFO. Of course, this could be due to faulty memory, but I still feel as though more people appreciated MoF's music upon release than they did SA's music or UFO's music.

>>4194962

"I liked this one the best out of the whole game. It
depicts a devilish girl in an Oriental and mysterious way. Loli-tastic melodies like this are what I'm best at, so I had a lot of fun composing this."

That's what ZUN believes it sounds like. Take it however you want.

>this thread

>>4195025
Shut up, I'm having fun.

>>4195030
I was referring to OP.

>>4195046
I was referring to you looking down on such a fun thread.

>>4195059
I was referring to a survey of people who aren't even secondary fans.

>>4195069
I'm not sure why that matters. I'm not sure what you're talking about.