/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Let's have a good thread this time.

I hate the eassy Rinfag so much it's unreal.

>>41832485
nigga just ignore him

>>41832456
Looks like the fixed OP, nice.

For posterity.
https://strawpoll.com/polls/wby5lk4GwZA/results

>>41832485
Just tell the tldrhino to return to Reddit, considering how he exposed himself in the previous thread.

>>41832590
there's a really underwhelming amount of ciel butt art

>>41832456
Cute butt

>>41832647
thanks

>mfw ciel

a classic

>>41832709
Cripes!

>>41832709
I am confused

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>>39397199
rank them

Does anyone know how to fix F/SN not being able to be streamed to friends on Discord? When they join my stream it just loads infinitely for them.

>>41832770
never used dick sword to stream bro, can't really tell you
does that shit have built in streaming or something? I'd just use OBS if you're not already.

>>41832791
yeah discord has screen/window sharing but when I try sharing the VN window it just doesn't work for some reason

castoria sex

>>41832842
Are you able to stream other stuff?

how are you a "tm fan" if you don't play fgo? it's the only consistent content TM has been putting out for for a long time now.

>>41833249

bait

>>41833249
>fgo
>"consistent"
LB6 is coming out for NA next year which means it's been almost two years and LB7 is nowhere in sight.

>>41833269
look at this general man... you've been talking about the same fucking shit for a decade..

mahoyo? abandoned
tsukiR? shit and who knows when far side is coming out

type moon stagnated long ago.

>>41833292
yet it's still the only consistent content in the TM universe.

you're no TM fan. you are boomers hanging on to old irrelevant shit. no one cares about shirou or sakura or rin or fuyuki anymore.

>>41833302
It's not consistent. Buy a fucking dictionary and look up what the word "consistent" means. I'll spoil it for you: it means on a regular basis, not once every two plus years. Go back to your ghettos on /vg/.

>>41833451
>once every two plus years
LB 5.5 just came out in NA
LB 6 is coming out in June 2023. That's 7 months, not "two plus years", you brain damaged third world cockroach.

>>41833472
>LB 5.5
>5.5
lol
And I'm talking about the wait between LB6 and LB7 you brain damaged monkey.

>>41833249
>How are you an flcl fan if you don't watch all the sequels?

fgo good
simple as

>>41833584
>lol if we ignore this story chapter then it proves i'm right
hang yourself, you brain damaged third world cockroach.

>>41833249
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>>41833777
all me

>>41833826
I made this post
cielCHAD btw

>>41832709
how would deepl handle it?

>>41833584
It's still less than two years and I don't see why you wouldn't count Traum

I hate Cielnegros so much it's unreal

Only thing consistent about the gacha is everything written for it is shit and it's proven by how often its bored consumers come to foul up this general.

China belt is good, fuck you

>>41834597
Based and true. Gachafags really are the Jehovah witnesses of TM. Go back to your general and be annoying there. None of us go on there and preach and plead you retards to read Mahoyo or TsukiR. I don’t give a shit if you do and neither should you about FGO.

Any playthrough with the voiced version for Mahoyo?

>>41834395
Not that anon but thinking the pacing of major content releases for a lowly gacha being in that sort of time frame is excusable in any capacity is deluded. Traum was essentially filler that inched forward the story ever so slightly because its most relevant portions focused on what they planned for LB7 but shuffled around on a fucking whim for goodness sake. I could fully believe Traum and Tunguska weren't even originally planned and only exist to pad out the gacha since they're dragging their feet on an arc that could have and should have seen its resolution years ago. My deep condolences if you held any expectations for Koyan or Holmes. The lack of a dialed in vision regarding this game and its complete lack of narrative integrity is laughable but at least you can count on them defecating in your mouth while picking your pocket as often as possible. Cheers to consistency...?

>>41835156
We should have a TMG read along.

FGO sucks but pretending tsukire is any better is laughable
The japanese audience has spoken and they prefer FGO, too bad for you I guess

>I actually had a dream related to my /tmg/ shitposts
I guess it's time for a break. I've been spending too much time funposting and pretending to have meltdowns here.

Extra CCC = F/SF = F/Z = FGO >>>>>>> F/SN

>>41835264
TsukiRe>FGO by virtue of
Shiki>Guda
Simple as

>>41835318
I mean it’s just been bait posts after bait posts. So you aren’t missing much.

>>41835264
>popularity is a sign of quality
lmao

>>41835540
more people like it because it's better. it's that simple.

Some people genuinely believe Arc will be a companion in the new FGO storyline. I say they are out of their minds.

>>41835264
The entirety of Nihon knelt when they saw the remake's first week sales.

>>41835581
why are you thinking otherwise? nasu did not add that third ascension for nothing, she will 100% be relevant in LB7 and probably will be the player avatar love interest. that's just how FGO works.

>wake up
>nothing but bait posts
Thanks /tmg/. Let's instead talk about how great Saiki is.

>>41835158
Some of the best content in FGO are events. If you think 5.5 and Traum are "filler" you are a brain damaged boomer who needs to shut the fuck up and go back to jerking off to kitchen scenes in fate dating sim night.

>>41832479
Yeah, I am having a good time.

>>41835851
he's funny

Unless Mushroom changes it, it's been roughly confirmed average planet = Earth = third planetary class output.

>>41836128
>shows up out of nowhere
>calls Shiki a 脱落 loser
>calmly leaves
what did he mean by this anyway. Surely Saiki knows what actually happened between SHIKI and Shiki. It's not like it's Shiki's fault.

Why is FGO so low.. quality? I'm in Shinjuku right now and it's still the same 0 budget production values. Weren't they already making ungodly amounts of money when this part of the story first came out? I truly don't understand why this game has lower production values than indie VNs from the 90s

>>41836652
Where is your source for that? Planetary class has nothing to do with the strength of any one planet. It's a classification for the capabilities of the Beast-class.
Earth is also not an average planet given it was capable of giving birth to intelligent life.

>>41835958
Keep waiting while they string everyone along for another year on road to finale lmfao.
>Best content in FGO
You say this like it means something. I guess the problem is plebs are happy with anything.

>>41836755
It's a cheap cash grab. As long as FGO makes money, there's no reason to bother. From TM and Aniplex's perspective it's already perfect.

>>41836755
In TM Ace or something the staff said they were impressed by the Tsukihime remake and it made them rethink the presentation of the game. I don't know if they actually made any changes though.

>>41836755
They were saving all the money for the Tsukihime Remake.

>>41836765
5.5 chapter just got translated with had a neater translation with the babble about it. Basically U Olga has a third planetary class output, and Sion rambled about how she effortlessly conjures a Black Hole of that size which she compares to Earth (if compressed into a Black Hole). And says later to face her you need to surpass the output of an Average planet. Joins the dots. Including how the Incineration had more output than Earth established by part 1 and that's second class.

Earth is average planet which is third class.

>>41835437
based

>>41836765
>intelligent life.
All planets are capable of that, even OORT cloud has those bacterias. The difference is Earth strongest beings became independent from it and had their own thing and can outlived them but that reduced its strength since it broke off a chunk out.

>>41836821
Sorry average star (celestial body should be the most proper translation, but meaning for planets and stars), so Earth being average/standard makes sense as a measure. Especially considering U Olga is likely Earth 2.0 and lost her accumulate power due to Morgan and Atlas.

>>41836814
>They were saving all the money for the Tsukihime Remake.
Here's the thing, VNs are hilariously cheap to make. *Specially* the ones that don't have or need full voice acting (like FGO). They could have orders of magnitude better presentation than they do now for the amount of money that they make in 1 month from NA FGO alone.

FGO is either run by the greediest parasites on earth or the game's spaghetti code is so fucked that there is no easy way for them to upgrade the presentation of the game without breaking a bunch of shit.

>>41836821
Planetary-classifications means you need planetary class output to harm them, yes. I'm not sure where you're going with this though, even if Earth as a planet had an average output it's impossible for Earth to fight on it's own. So comparing it to another characters that are able to fight makes no sense.

>Including how the Incineration had more output than Earth
Never stated to be the case. It was only stated Goetia burning Earth would yield less energy than incineration humanity but incinerating earth and having all it's energy are different things.
Goetia couldn't be more powerful than the Earth since his entire goal was becoming the Earth to change the concept of death. It makes no narrative sense.

>>41836829
There is really no evidence any other planet in the solar system has given birth to intelligent life.

>>41836890
>There is really no evidence any other planet in the solar system has given birth to intelligent life.
The Moon did. Quetz came with the meteorite and is from OORT cloud.

u will never hear into the night for the first time again

>>41836911
>The Moon did
Point taken. But the moon might just be related to the Earth.

>Quetz
However, the bacterias in question actually took over intelligent beings. They might have lacked intelligence on their own for all we know.

>>41836888
>the ones that don't have or need full voice acting (like FGO)
Wait. FGO doesn't have full voice acting? Are you serious? I figure maybe they'd omit the self-insert main character, but surely everything else is voiced right?

>>41836890
>even if Earth as a planet had an average output it's impossible for Earth to fight on it's own.
I'm not talking about that. I'm just saying we have a rough confirmation of the scale of power for each output. Average star = Earth = third class (and who knows if there isn't some lower on the scale). There are always conceptual protections and other things like passive traits that would make Earth safe (for now). We're talking about raw output not other special traits.

>Never stated to be the case.
Read part 1 again. Goetia said that he accumulated more energy than Earth would EVER produce. Means the planet output is vastly inferior to this. That was probably what Nasu used to later establish the scale and slapped second class on him, and third class on Earth 2.0. And makes sense when his aim was to become a greater finished product.

ORT is going to be a special case because the cloud is multiple celestial bodies cumulus.

>>41832162
>I have no idea why you're so obsessed with Aoko
I don't give a single damn shit about Aoko, you fucking faggot. It's Aokofags here who are utterly butthurt about Rin. A single troll who may not even be a Rinfag makes a couple of blatantly obvious bait posts and every single vermin Aokofag comes out of their little musky hole to screech like the pathetic little shits that they are. I genuinely don't know what it is with /tmg/ Aokofags -- almost every Aokofag I've encountered elsewhere has been for the most part intelligent, amicable and insightful, but you people are such insufferable little shits. "Oh I don't care if you like Rin even though I'm going to say that she has no depth compared to my waifu just 'cause lol it's objectively true oh but if you actually dismantle just how full of shit I am I will pussy out like the pathetic little bitch that I am, while crying like a baby that someone pointed out I did a shit fucking job at explaining why the character I like is great." Eat shit, you fucking idiot. I'm certain that Aoko is a great character, but that's because a great deal of people whom I deeply respect (who also love Rin btw) have vouched for her. If I had to base my opinion of her going solely on what dumb fucking idiots like you have to say, I would have to conclude that Aoko is fucking garbage. Get over your fucking inferiority complex, Jesus fucking Christ.

>I'm not the one that posted this shit:
>>"Le Rin has le love interest muh Aoko better cuz muh power levels muh DBZ Kamehamehas and Rasenguns"
Indeed, that was this retard >>41820548

>>41836962
Planet Goetia was also going to create intelligent life too.

>>41836921
Quetz was self-aware of what happened when she arrived, so she had sapience.
The Moon is a different celestial body. We just don't know the lifeforms of other planets. At least Servant Universe (ick) seem to hint Venus had a former civilization and Astarte was their original goddess.

>>41836821
I feel like you're misunderstanding what Sion is saying. It's not the black hole itself that 2nd planetary class but Olga herself.
Also it was never stated that Goetia has more output than Earth just him burning Earth would give him less energy than what he did. They are not the same thing at all.

>>41836950
It's literally just walls of subpar text with jpegs. Reading FGO is a torture.

Type-Moon lore is dumb

>>41836950
The only voice acting is in the gameplay sections. i.e servants have a handful of lines that they repeat over and over again. There's no voice acting, character sprites have exactly 1 (one) pose that they use for everything, and every story arc only has a handful of backgrounds. Art for action scenes are almost nonexistent.

I wasn't exaggerating when I said that indie visual novels from the 90s have way better production values than FGO does. It is the literal truth.

>>41837000
>It's not the black hole itself that 2nd planetary class but Olga herself.
I do not? Sion directly compares the black hole on the scale of Earth, and then says to FIGHT Olga you need to surpass her output (which previously established as third class, below Goetia's) as one of the "average star." It's a rough classification for output.

>Also it was never stated that Goetia has more output than Earth just him burning Earth would give him less energy than what he did
Wrong. Read part 1 again. He states the energy of the incineration of humanity generates more output than Earth will ever produce.

>>41837019
you mums dumb and gay

>>41837017
>>41837025
Gachatards really pay money for this? There's fully voiced VNs from the early 2000s made on shoestring budgets.

when nasu rewrites F/SN for release in 2045 will he finally complete the Ilya route?

>>41837000
Goetia said the energy of humanity's history burning surpassed any energy the planet could generate in general. Not just what he could squeeze of it. Humanity's just that great in Fate, bro. Same for Sodom obtaining even more from humanity's wishes.

>>41837037
Like Tsukihime?

Humanity's collective (anything) is OP. We kill the planet, not the other way around, remember?

>>41837053
But then we all die.

>>41837064
Not in Fate.

>>41837049
Well no I was thinking more like Air.

>>41837071
Air was not voiced.

>>41837085
They re-released with voices pretty quick.

>>41837043
That's not how energy works. Goetia ability to garner energy from something is not perfect and we are not even sure if he can even take energy from the Inner Sea of the Planet/Avalon where the planet's soul is and that are beyond even true magic.

>>41837093
Yeah on consoles with a bigger publisher, after the original game sold well. It's not an example of a shoestring budget game.

>>41837110
Okay fine whatever. Early Age games pre-kiminozo were voiced then (kaseki no uta, etc.). No way those had big budgets.

>>41836962
>Goetia said that he accumulated more energy than Earth would EVER produce
Post the quote. Because that was not what I read at all.
Even so, it doesn't matter much as a comparison anyway. Earth cannot ouput energy on it's own, it needs terminals to properly fight anything. Those same terminals can use a tiny bit of energy and make it orders of magnitude greater, same principle as things like Noble Phantasms.

>>41837101
>That's not how energy works.
Argue with Nasu.

> Goetia ability to garner energy from something is not perfect
Goetia as Beast I was the Human Incineration, the destruction of Human history, he was literally a burning tree of time with branches and all. He was the incineration in itself, the ritual, so he became generating this energy by being the destruction.

>>41837029
>Sion directly compares the black hole on the scale of Earth
Sion wasn't even talking about Olga's black hole...
She used compressing Earth as an example of how one could generate a black hole that's it. It's never implied that Olga's black hole has the mass of Earth (which is irrelevant anyway what matters is its density).

>He states the energy of the incineration of humanity generates more output than Earth will ever produce.
That's not exactly what he says.

>Solomon: It is true that these bands of light could burn the outer layer of this planet.

>Solomon: After all, there's only one Earth. The amount of heat obtained upon burning it doesn't amount to much.

>Solomon: Unfortunately, an energy source exceeding the bands of light doesn't exist on Earth?
>Solomon: Hahahahahaha! Fool, that's exactly right!

None of these quotes imply that Goetia ouput surpasses the whole Earth.

>>41837139
>Goetia as Beast I was the Human Incineration, the destruction of Human history, he was literally a burning tree of time with branches and all. He was the incineration in itself, the ritual, so he became generating this energy by being the destruction.
And this somehow proves that Goetia can perfectly harness energy from anything on the planet because?

>>41837139
Post the quote. Video and stamp. Because you're talking out of your ass.

>>41837148
>an energy source exceeding the bands of light doesn't exist on Earth?

>>41837164
What? He harshed energy from human history which generates more energy than the planet.

>>41837170
Of him being the incineration itself? He introduces himself as that. He's not a person or individual until he becomes the crumbling hobo. He's literally the incineration ritual, and torched tree of time. His design is a reference to this.

>>41837178
That's pretty weak evidence bro. If you aren't able to access and harness something it might as well not exist.
The whole point of that statement is to have something they could use.

Humanity's intangible value (history, wishes) is the greatest energy source.

>>41837178
>On Earth
That's not the theoretical output of the Earth. The energy of the Earth is not "on Earth" but contained in its soul.

>>41837191
Goetia generates more energy from burning human history than from burning the Earth. That doesn't mean that human history has necessarily more energy than the Earth.

>>41837199
What? Goetia isn't a dude with powers. It is a magical ritual that gains sentience when starts this.

>>41837191
>He introduces himself as that.
I see figurative speech is lost on you.

>>41837214
That's just your way to twist it. The demons looked for a power source and decided the greatest power source was creating an incineration ritual for humanity history because was the one that gave the greatest power source, over the planet or anything there. They weren't inclined to burn anything.

>>41837217
Arc > your husbando Goetia
Stay mad bro

>>41837223
It's not figurative. He's a literal sentient ritual, anon. He's not a living creature. Did you miss the point of him finally becoming an individual and a being on his own and dying immediately after in the Temple? Even his profile as Beast I calls him The Human Incineration Ritual.

>>41837233
They couldn't have burned the Inner Sea or the planet's soul even if they wanted to. Holmes stated in Shinjuku that for any being born from Earth such a feat is impossible due to conceptual defenses against things originating from Earth.

>>41837240
What does Arc even have to do with this? You are so insecure.

>>41837233
>That's just your way to twist it
No that's the literal interpretation of the script

>>41837251
We can barely trust what Holmes says when was revealed he is withholding information on purpose because would compromise his loyalties.
And those defenses are useless in LB6 so who knows what could be done.

>>41835581
There is more reason to think she won't appear than to think she will at this juncture so people who are 100% certain like
>>41835732
are confident for no reason. If she did appear I feel like it would be unlikely to be in a major way. Major referring to scene % rather than lore importance. The central character of the chapter as suggested? Close to 0% chance I think.

>>41837257
>No that's the literal interpretation of the script
Your interpretation, you mean.

>It is enough. There is nothing more to see. Even God would not grant this planet anything more than the fate of extinction.

Was re-reading The Temple and I just remember this. Will Nasu ever clarify this? Seems pretty big to slip, Goetia's certainly not a religious being to use metaphoric language. He blatantly states God made the planet.

>>41837268
Yes, ignoring things for your own convenience is a great way of having your way when arguing.
LB6 takes place on the Inner Sea in the first place.

>>41837277
I mean you're the one taking things out of context.

>>41837292
God is a manifestation of Alaya.

>>41837304
bu Alaya came after the planet...or did it?

>>41837297
>LB6 takes place on the Inner Sea in the first place.
I'm talking about how Oberon can sink the planet itself inside his butthole. There's only a small section that takes place in Avalon's shadow.

>>41837268
>those defenses are useless in LB6
How do you even know that? Oberon/Vort was created by the planet/land itself. Maybe he just has the right to destroy the Inner Sea and the defenses aren't active against him.

>>41837315
Maybe t the planet still recognizes him as a part of it since he is a Fairy. He is already an extension of the planet.

>>41837315
He is probably referencing how (I'm pretty sure) that everything was technically "fairy realm" which is why they could get there in the first place and in a normal world Avalon would have been completely sealed off from man.

>it’s another shitty FGO lore dump thread

See you guys tomorrow.

>>41837327
>Oberon/Vort was created by the planet/land itself.
Actually, Nasu calls him some representation/embodiment of "all holes that exist everywhere." So he's something weirder. I'm waiting for Mats because Nasu is making him weirder than just Vortigern or Oberon or the Will of Britain.

>>41837350
And for what it's worth, though the concept would exist he would never become a problem like in the LB in another world apparently.

>>41837337
He was breaking out the Lostbelt and sink the planet itself inside him, at that point the fairy country was vored. The gravitational pull was going to get fucked. Sion rose the alarm from the beginning.

>>41837333
He's not exactly that either. See anon >>41837350
He's more Eldritch than the Lovecraft stuff. Apparently the "Abyss Insect" is a thing that exists too outside the Lostbelt but somehow got mixed into this.

>>41837363
Yeah but "holes that exist everywhere" is beyond earth, like holes exist in space too. We know the Insect depth is endless and is greater than a black hole. It's so weird because Nasu defined the Oberon Vortigern thing and this Abyss Insect that he's the manifestation for seems scant in details other than "it's going to fuck us because fairies are cunts."

>>41837350
>>41837371
That's all good and all but he isn't Goetia.

If Umbral Star is Galactus lite.
Abyss Insect is probably based on Marvel shit too. Maybe Celestials.

>>41837381
What's your point though. FGO world is already fucked from the outset and he doesn't seem like he'd be an issue anywhere else. Are you trying to powerscale him above the planet or something? I'm not really following your guys power wanking if that's what this is.

What are you guys talking about? I didn't see this in the VN.

>>41837418
I'm trying to offer an example that Holmes isn't all-knowing and he also is dumbing himself down on purpose (excuse).
Goetia said he didn't care for the planet because the people living on it and what they do (history) offers better energy. Are you trying to argue earth >humanity on fate setting? Humanity common sense is what defines all things here.

>>41837381
>>41837418
Also, again. The planet can do shit on it's own. Other than maybe prune a timeline.

>>41837436
Again Goetia ability to harness energy is not perfect.
This is like saying a bottle of oil has more energy than a mountain because humans can get more energy from the oil

>>41837442
>Other than maybe prune a timeline.
Or surviving in any timeline.

>>41837436
Both Kiara and Goetia wanted to become the planet. That alone suggests the planet is greater than humanity. Goetia was mad because he was second to humans as a Demon God, by becoming the planet he becomes an existence that transcends humanity altogether.

>>41837455
We'll see. Yet third planetary class output is equivalent to Earth. And this is below Beast I output and Sodom's, you realize?
And before WAAAH muh arcfags jump here insecure as they are, we're speaking of output.

>>41837469
>Yet third planetary class output is equivalent to Earth.
No you're misinterpreting what Sion is saying

>>41837476
Where can we get the original quote? I feel like this guy is trying to pass his own headcanon as fact.

>>41837019
onlt the videogame mechanics, still don't understand why Nasu tried to implement those

>>41837422
It sounds retarded so I’m not even going to read it kek

>>41837469
>Argues that Holmes isn't omniscient and full of bullshit, despite Da-Vinci and Moriarty agreeing with him
>Somehow Sion is all-knowing now and her statements are fact
lol. This is why no one will take you seriously.

>>41837466
Kiara (despite her wank) was not stated to have a planetary class-level output and BB foreshadowed she'll keep on growing after that is she replaced the Brain. Neither did Kama or Tiamat. Or Koyan. Only Olga (3rd), Sodom (1st) and Goetia (2nd class) got this classification.

Goetia wanted to be a planet superior to Earth, not become Earth, but be better and replace it. We scantly know the details beyond what he shared of having no concept of death. But he said he finished the blueprints and had everything he needed.

Also understand we're talking about lifespan and output, not about the rest stuff since they aren't yet established. This doesn't mean everything else planets have like conceptual stuff that aren't theirs yet. But the OUTPUT rough comparison with average planet/star/celestial body seems to roughly mean Earth and this is Third class.

We also don't know if fifth class exists or sixth, or seventh.

>>41837500
Shouldn't there a Mandala youtube NA intro? It's way too long to screenshot since Sion rambles for 10 minutes about black holes and other Nasu's babble.

>>41837500
>Sion: It’s pretty simple to increase the strength of a gravitational field. All you have to do is compress matter and raise its density.
>Sion: For example, if you compressed the Earth down to the size of your fingertip, it would become a black hole.
>Sion: The theory of that has been known for some time. But it’s simply impossible to do with the technology of the current mankind.
https://tri-hermes.org/Lostbelt/heiankyo.html#prologue
You can read the rest of the prologue for context. Tbh I don't even understand how he interpreted that way.

>>41837520
>and BB foreshadowed she'll keep on growing after that is she replaced the Brain
No she did not. Post the quote.
>Goetia wanted to be a planet superior to Earth
Superior is relative. He wanted to remove the concept of death. But the fact is if he had more energy than Earth he wouldn't need to become Earth, he would just change the concept of death from his position. Which he simply couldn't do.
>Also understand we're talking about lifespan and output
Sion's statement suggests neither. Try again.

>>41837509
No it's all dumb now. I'm convinced after reading this discussion. I don't care about types. I don't care about beasts. I don't care about planets. All this stuff is better as vague background shit; I don't want to know any details.

>>41837534
That's it? That's literally the statement this guy is quoting? Jesus, talk about grasping at straws. That's really not a comparison of powers between Earth and Olga. This guy is mental.

>was stalling on FGO because i fucking hated the endless combat sections and i have extremely few servants and zero intention of ever spending money on the game to get more
>realized i can just watch walkthroughs for the entire game on youtube
i feel kind of dumb for not thinking of this earlier.

I was following this discussion and grabbed some screenshots. I don't how to screenshot the Sion's black hole talk. She doesn't say Earth is third class or / average star (and from my understanding the anon was speculating as a rough measurement), but she did say that would be like the result of "compressing Earth mass to the size of a fingertip" (reminds me to Arc and Ciel talk in TsukiRe when she's using the Cathedral idea blood) and talks how black holes are "the inevitable result of what happens...when a large star reaches the end of its cycle and collapses under its own weight." This makes me thing U Olga-marie's power (blackholes) is based on the death of Earth in the future. So there might be a point on what anon speculates.

>>41837568
Nah it's nice to discuss but only if you're doing with someone that's actually sane. Some of the guys that engage in power debates take statements out of context to suit their agenda.

>>41837600
what is this picture trying to convey?

>>41837614
ancient japanese art of stretching before a long reading session

>>41837604
The funny thing is that the stuff Arc does as a result of her Principle is orders of magnitude beyond what Olga has ever done. In the scene where the Luminary is forming the narration states all energy is compressed to -10^35 meters, which actually IS the center of a black hole or a planck star, except the volume of energy compressed in this scene by Arc is massive. It completely blows any dumb classification like planet-class out of the water since planck length is the greatest energy density possible.

>>41837644
Not that anon but Nasu just wanted to wank/namedrop inflation in this scene because it's cool. Don't actually think about the physics of it because it makes no sense.

>>41837604
Second screenshot.

My speculation here is that the death of humanity (human order) and its history generates more energy than the death of Earth. And effectively Goetia said that in part 1. So Goetia had second-class output while Olga the third. So she will compensate with something else. Part 2 motto is "This a story of our battle against the future" while Part 1 is "This is a story about our battle to take back the future."

Does this mean Earth generates more or less energy? I don't know. I'm saying from the logic of FGO, the death of Earth may generate less energy than the death of humanity (as a continuous history). And Olga's black hole power is based on the finality of Earth like Goetia's beams of the finality of History.

fgofags pls go

>>41837644
We've only seen Olga twice. I've completed my thoughts below, I'm just doing a comparison semi based on what anon said, but with my thoughts of why Sion ominously stated about blackholes being a result of the death of the planet. That screenshot you posted is not a black hole. Or called a black hole. It's a bit of a shame Nasu refuses to let Olga dirty her hands, so she's hypothetically throwing dead Earths and nobody dies...or they can dodge it.

>>41837655
>Don't actually think about the physics of it because it makes no sense
No, it really does make perfect sense. Arcueid's Principle is stated to be 極点の原理 or the Principle of Extremum, and the stuff happening in that very scene is stated to be a result of her Principle. Even earlier in the route Arcueid was warping space and gravity as a result of the energy density inside her.
Basically Arc's main ability is to actually compress massive energy, and her nature is described as a small yet massive being.

>lengthy lore discussion with almost no meltdowns or chimpouts
I'm so proud of you bros...

>>41837670
>>41837656
>>41837604
I feel like you're overinterpreting stuff. Sion was just giving an example of how could one could create a blackhole. But that doesn't mean that Olga is compressing Earths to make them.

>>41837678
>compress massive energy
which has nothing to do with inflation

>>41837670
>That screenshot you posted is not a black hole
Yes it's actually better than that.

>>41837698
It does. Inflation is a result of energy compressing too much to a point it begins to expand. Earlier in the route Ciel thought it was weird how Arcueid's energy density did not result in inflation, despite how dense the amount of energy actually was.
It's all perfectly tied together.

>>41837687
Perhaps I am, but the 'death of the planet' is stated everywhere in the main story from loli Vinci Profile, notRomani, LB6, the draft of LB6 spoiling it, and the motto of part 2 is fight against the future. The future and end is the death of Earth. Olga the Beast of the End. And her main trademark attack so far is a Black Hole which Sion concludes her infodump that are the result of the inevitable result of what happens...when a large star reaches the end of its cycle and collapses under its own weight." I'm sorry but that is on the nose. At this point is impossible not to be about the death of Earth.

>>41837700
How exactly?

>>41837725
Why did you save the sample image, anon? Click on the image next time to download it at full size.

I only care about a setting's lore if it has good characters.

I don't care about FGO.

>>41837728
A stellar mass blackhole, as in a sun compressed to planck length is the size of an atom. The volume of energy compressed to planck length by Arc in that one scene is 200 meters.

post based takes

>>41837730
The actual image is 22.6 MB. Tell Hiromoot to increase the upload size limit and I won't post pixiv samples.

>>41837708
>Inflation is a result of energy compressing too much to a point it begins to expand.
No not at all. Inflation is a cosmological theory about the early stages of the universe which essentially states that space expanded at an exponential rate for a brief period of time before slowing down. This, if true, resolves several outstanding cosmological questions. The mechanism behind what actually caused inflation is completely unknown. Basically, Nasu was just wanking "lol Arc has the energy to create another universe" hence the whole final segment, but obviously that doesn't make a lick of sense in terms of physics.

>>41837740
That doesn't indicate Arc's energy is on the level of a blackhole. And Olga's black holes are also massive (they dwarved the entire Olympus skies) which is far greater than 200 meters and were weirdly called a black hole.

>>41837758
>but obviously that doesn't make a lick of sense in terms of physic
Well yeah, Arc is literally using her Principle/Idea Blood, which are the special properties of her own blood to actually achieve those effects. Her abilities don't follow human logic.

>>41837740
U-Olga black hole in Olympus was bigger than the city that was a lot bigger than Tokyo or New York, anon.

Both Olga and Arc are massive jobbers.

>>41836973
>I don't give a single damn shit about Aoko, you fucking faggot.
You clearly do.
> but you people are such insufferable little shits
You have zero self-awareness, kid.
> but if you actually dismantle just how full of shit I am I will pussy out like the pathetic little bitch that I am
I didn't respond to your massive diatribe because:
A). Frankly you're a terrible fucking writer and trying to read that shit is the intellectual equivalent of dragging my dick through glass. So I didn't. I skimmed over it to get a basic idea of what you were saying.
B). Glossing over it made it abundantly clear that the bulk of it was rambling tangents and blatant strawman arguments, i.e. not worth my time.
> I'm certain that Aoko is a great character, but that's because a great deal of people whom I deeply respect
But not because you've actually read Mahoyo. Yet here you are, "screeching". The way you're so arrogant when you're talking about basing your opinions on something wholly off second hand information, wholly off the opinions of others, is fucking hilarious. Also I just want to take a moment and laugh at you over how far you've backtracked on this. First it was Aoko is nothing but "muh powerlevels", then it was "who cares if she has an arc?" and now we've finally reached "I'm sure she's a great character because my discord buttbuddies say so". lmfao
>Indeed, that was this retard
No it wasn't. I'm not gonna defend him and say he made an intelligent or insightful post, but he didn't make a /v/-tier shitpost like you did. That shit is inexcusable. This, coupled with you basically admitting here that you haven't actually read Mahoyo, yet are here constantly having meltdowns about Aoko and phantom "Aokofags", disqualifies everything you say.

Let's get something straight. I don't take issue with you because you're a Rinfag, or even because you're anti-Aoko. I take issue with you because you're blatantly a fucking tourist (probably a r/a/pefugee) who is not from this board, and only comes to this board to shit up this single thread. That, and you've made it abundantly clear that you're crying and getting into arguments about a visual novel that you haven't even read. And you have the gall to masquerade as intelligent in spite of that. You're basically the Dunning-Kruger effect personified. You are not half as smart as you believe yourself to be, and you're equally if not even more guilty of pretty much everything you're accusing "Aokofags" of being.

>>41837768
>>41837768
>That doesn't indicate Arc's energy is on the level of a blackhole
It does in fact indicate the energy is far greater than that. Bear in mind planck star, a mass of energy compressed to -10^35 meters IS in theory believed to be the center of a black hole, the small singularity at it's utmost deepest core. The stuff that Olga does is fodder compared to the stuff Arc is doing in that scene since if Olga is actually manipulating something to planck length to create those black holes it's going to be infinitely lesser than 200 meters.
The stuff that Arc is doing there is basically creating the exposed singularity of an hyper massive black hole.

The blackhole(s) is bigger because would look retarded and non-threatening if Nasu follows science.

>>41837776
Yes but the singularity at the center of it is, the point that's actually compressed to -10^35 meters is going to be as small as an atom or even smaller. Since like I said, a stellar size black hole, the singularity, is the size of an atom. obviously the black hole that you actually see is much greater than that.

>>41837804
planck star are hypothetical and conceptual, though. doesn't indicate it's greater at all.

>planck star
Is Nasu into crack physics now or is that just anon? All quantum gravity theories are bullshit you might as well just make up shit at that point.

>>41837822
It really does since planck length is the greatest possible energy density. Energy itself cannot get denser than that.

All Blackholes have a Planck star (as theory since they don't exist as a fact). What are you on about?

when the fug is the CCC patch coming out? i want to play

>>41837835
It's really stated to be the result of Arcueid's Principle. The intent is rather clear though. That's pretty much Nasu's way of stating Arcueid is the strongest being possible.

>>41837820
And that doesn't confirm is greater or anything. Planck star are theorized as part of every black hole. And it's still hypothetical. Did you jump into U Olga Blackhole to see what's inside?

>>41837850
I only read the VN and I'm 99% sure it didn't say anything about planck stars.

Alive general

>>41837850
That sounds like a reach from you.
And I'm not sure why you jump from the basis of "the black holes Olga produces is the Dead Earth" to OMG LOOK WHAT ARC DID DUDE it has absolutely no connection. Why do you feel shoehorning someone so irrelevant to Fate at all?

Where does it say anything about plank stars in the screenshot? or scene at all.

>>41837852
Fine. I suppose it depends on whether Nasu believes a black hole contains a planck star.

>>41837861
See>>41837644 It did say the energy Arc is compressing here reaches -10^35 meters, which is planck density. Also as a result of her Principle. There is really no way to argue it.

>>41837872
Defeated by JAVCHADs...

>>41837776
It's not the size of a black hole that matters but it's density. A planck star like what Arc did has the highest physical density possible. It can then grow into a massive blackhole by attracting stuff to it.
>>41837838
But then Arc would have the greatest black hole given that it's equal to planck length and not just in the order of it like other common black holes

>>41837872
/tmg/ is usually one of the faster generals on /jp/, I'm surprised no one has gone on a holy crusade against us for bumping the 2hu threads off the catalog

The Ultimate Hole is Oberon. Even Kiara grudging admits it. And she wants that trophy. Why fight for the third place?

>>41837876
The other anon brought Arc so it was only appropriate. Chill out anon.

>>41837840
Sometime after fate extra record release and before mahoyo 2 release.

>>41837892
This is just the same conditions as the big bang basically. It's actually not a black hole at all.

>>41837903
Sakurabros... we used to be the top hole.

>>41837897
>But then Arc would have the greatest black hole
That's what her Principle is for, it compresses energy and contains it. That's why she can actually raise her parameters infinitely, without end and not just implode. Basically it's vampire physics.

>>41837903
The Ultimate Hole is my asshole.

>>41837841
I wish I looked like this

>>41837915
Yeah, I think it's better than a black hole desu.

> Recent work demonstrates that Planck stars may exist inside black holes as part of a cycle between black and white holes.
>In general relativity, a white hole is a theoretical region of spacetime and singularity that cannot be entered from the outside, although energy-matter, light and information can escape from it. In this sense, it is the reverse of a black hole
Arcueid inflation makes much more sense now. Did Nasu study astronomy?

>>41837742
What the fuck? 22 MB? Jesus Christ. Largest image I've personally saved is 8 MB. I usually just compress them instead of saving the sample, btw.

>>41837934
White holes are another crack theory that only exist because general relativity happens to have another mathematically valid solution (which makes no sense physically).

>>41837934
He didn't need to. I was able to learn this stuff by Googling it a bit. You don't need a degree to incorporate bullshit physics into your own world.

>>41837905
Not that anon, I only brought up Arc as the conversation Ciel has with her about what Sion's talking about, not as a measure or anything? I was the one who posted screenshots and wondered about the death of the planet generating less energy than the death of human history (which was already anticipated by Goetia). So I'm unsure why there's a jump. I'm only speculating that Olga's power is based on Nasu'ed blackholes because she as Beast of the End foretells the future and that's earth dying, that's why Sion foreshadows it and why the part 2 insists earth's gonna diee.

>>41837943
The largest image I have is like 46.5 MB. A lot of artists (especially for commission work on skeb) tend to upload the raw file as is without lossless compression.

>>41837970
I don't think Earth will actually die unless they are planning to have their adventures on another planet from now on.

>>41838004
A theory is that Chaldeas could become the new earth. It's already a copy and Beasts can turn into celestial bodies (as you know from Goetia's plan) so if they declown Olga, they can pull a Last Encore.

>>41838004
One theory thinks this is Notes but Fate version:
- Since is Universe of Man's Will/Common sense, the planet's will is weaker so no Other Planet Attack aside of ORT who always will stumble even without Gaia's signal (meteors connection now he's OORT cloud).
- Instead of this, Olga manifests as Chaldeas Beast. The "distress" of her peer isn't about Specimen E, that's Olga (human) body and a redherring to mistake the players, but is talking about the dying Earth.
- Lostbelts and Kirschtaria's plan were to use possibilities to reach a different future.
- Line is "a story of our fight against the future" seems that earth's end is set in stone, also the first OP song. Holmes says Olga's correct, the Specimen E/Master of Traum thinking Human History is the enemy is also portrayed as correct on conclusion
- You can start over in a new earth/world in Fate, unlike Tsukihime, since humans can leave: in Extra/Extella, there's Mooncell. FGO might have Chaldeas, but requires snapping Olga back to her senses.

>>41838004
Nasu said the entire purpose is "accepting the end" so Earth will die, we just don't know how they'll dodge that. There are ways to write it. The "importance of our choices (even if they were wrong" is a theme for Part 2. So it could be admitting we fucked up, and save what we can.
Guda might die if they'll replace him with Guda 2.0 from Chaldeas (like Hakuno from Extra/CCC isn't the one from last Encore or Extella).

>>41838080
Eh, Earth's "end" depends on the works. Earth was weakened in Fate/Extra as a result of that ritual but in Extra's Last Encore which happens 1000 years in the future it's still going and humanity is the one dying.
Are you saying Earth in FGO is in worse shape than even bad end-world scenarios like Tsuki no Sango and Extra?

>>41838129
We don't know where this "end" happened. Could be 100 years in the future that cracked in Chaldeas which is 100 years in the future before the bleaching appeared (the draft compared the bleaching to anesthesia). But the 'future' is attacking the 'present.'

>"a story of our fight against the future"
Part two summary line is meaningful. Not a future, THE future.

>>41837802
He is primarily from /c/ from what I could tell.

>>41838128
Accepting the end b-but let's continue anyway. This shit is all headcanon. Olga just likes black holes because its chuuni and the ending will be super anti-climactic because they're trying to figure out a way to keep it going without being fully retarded and letting onto the fact that they're backpedaling their original plans to end it sometime this decade.

>>41838152
Lol, the end has nothing to do with a clown in 99% of cases surely.

>>41837802
>Frankly you're a terrible fucking writer and trying to read that shit is the intellectual equivalent of dragging my dick through glass.
Lmao. Sure thing, buddy.

>Glossing over it made it abundantly clear that the bulk of it was rambling tangents and blatant strawman arguments
Point to a single strawmen then. Just a single one.

>But not because you've actually read Mahoyo. Yet here you are, "screeching".
Anon, the most consistent and rabid Rin-haters on this general are for the most part Aokofags. That's basically undeniable. They get extremely butthurt about Fate's being discussed in general too, whenever people enter in lengthier conversation of it. Are you that braindead that you cannot grasp the concept of "striking back", retard? Aokofags attack and belittle Rin so I attack them back. (Notice how I say AokoFAGS and not Aoko.) I don't have a problem with Aokofags; Aokofags have a problem with Rin and myself. They do so because they are resentful about the fact that Rin borrowed some elements of Aoko's personality and characterization yet is more popular by virtue of existing in Fate/stay night. It's fucking pathetic.

>The way you're so arrogant when you're talking about basing your opinions on something wholly off second hand information, wholly off the opinions of others, is fucking hilarious.
I'm not basing my opinions on second hand information, though? I don't have a definitive opinion on Mahoyo or Aoko. My expectations are pretty high because Nasu's writing has been consistently quite good and he is excellent at writing compelling character studies. I was merely stating that I have absolutely nothing against Aoko, like Aokofags here clearly do against Rin.

>Also I just want to take a moment and laugh at you over how far you've backtracked on this. First it was Aoko is nothing but "muh powerlevels", then it was "who cares if she has an arc?" and now we've finally reached "I'm sure she's a great character because my discord buttbuddies say so".
None of this is my backtracking in any way whatsoever, however...? Seems like merely skimming posts before trying to reply them is a horrible fucking idea, though I'm not sure you would've comprehended my arguments properly either way. I merely pointed out that every single argument presented in favour of Aoko's being a great character is insufficient at proving its thesis. I made a remark mocking that particular post because it was so ridiculous that I had good laugh reading it. Your own argument was laughably weak as well; its foundational premise, that characters who undergo character arcs are superior to those that don't, was just laughable; it may be true as a simple rule of thumb, but it certainly is not innately so, and many characters are excellent despite not undergoing any extensive arc or changing in major ways. Furthermore, Rin DOES undergo an arc; in UBW. If you were to contrast Rin's arcs in UBW and HF through the simplistic heuristic of analyzing how the characters has changed by the end of the story, then it's pretty much the same arc. Rin starts out the story repressing her innate human instinct and proclivity toward kindness, momentarily choosing to save Shirou's life before returning to trying to maintain her magus persona; by the end, she has chosen to moderate her approach to magecraft by accepting her feelings for a loved (Shirou and Sakura respectively).

Yet when one analyzes the actual mechanism by which this arc unfolds, when one actually sits down to thoroughly analyze the actual details and nuances of each arc, the differences couldn't be more obvious. Because ultimately, the two arcs were meant to contrast and compliment each other. The reason Rin spends most of HF steeling herself in order to prepare herself for the time she has to kill Sakura by acting cruel and insensitive toward her is because *she isn't in a romantic relationship with Shirou*. That's the takeaway from the highjump scene -- Rin is too much of a pragmatist to try and do the impossible. There is that side of her that she tries to keep buried of course; that side which admires Shirou and draws her to him. But ultimately it is he who draws it out of her. Which is why in UBW, Rin gradually opens herself up to Shirou and chooses to be a dreamer much like him in contrast to the ruthless magus she's trying to be at the start of the story when she attacks Shirou at the school, while in HF she only pull back when she's right at the brink of killing Sakura. HF only accentuates the great arc that Rin goes through in UBW. It reinforces the importance of the romance and UBW in general to her character.

>>41837802
>>41838392
Hell speaking of Rin's attacking Shirou at the school, that is an incredible peace of writing as well! Because Rin's choosing to *not* attack Shinji after he reveals himself as a Master shows that that was not a pragmatic decision on her part, but an emotional one. Shinji is just as little, if not less, of a threat, yet Rin leaves him alone while going after Shirou; that's fundamentally because she feared that her feelings for him would endanger her objectivity, that her feelings for him would expose the kind human side she is repressing and lead to the magus persona cracking. And that's precisely what happens.

Again, your understanding of this character is absolutely pathetic. And instead of admitting your fault and saying that you were clearly wrong, and that Rin is quite clearly a nuanced, deep well-written character with a ton of layers and complexity who was executed with a ton of care, you choose to whine and bitch instead, doubling down on your bullshit and refusing to address any actual argument I put out. It's always the same with you retards.

>I take issue with you because you're blatantly a fucking tourist (probably a r/a/pefugee) who is not from this board, and only comes to this board to shit up this single thread.
LMAO nigger what? How many people posting in this thread do you ACTUALLY think give a single fuck about /jp/ outside of /tmg/? This general was created by /vg/ refugees, get some fucking self-awareness lol. If you like shitty 2hu threads then all power to you, but I don't really give a shit.

>That, and you've made it abundantly clear that you're crying and getting into arguments about a visual novel that you haven't even read.
Lol no you dumb faggot. This argument is primarily about RIN. I passed no actual judgements about the quality of Mahoyo and Aoko. I just ridiculed the inability of their respective -fags to provide a single argument in their favour, only being able to attack Nasu's other works and characters. You "people" can only lift up what you like by attacking what others like. It's why YOUR entire retarded shitty argument revolved around how Rin supposedly has no depth, which I disproved both in my post and by citing previous ones I've written. And knowing you lack the intelligence to respond to any single argument, you appeal to "muh your posts le heckin suck hyuck hyuck" as an alibi for not having the balls to get into the weeds of it. You dodge any actual discussion of FSN and Rin because you know you will get humiliated; because you are retarded AND inattentive.

>>41838128
I'm still skeptical they'll ever kill Guda, a massive amount of players would leave the game if that happens, and they already bended and distorted the lore multiple times to appeal to them.

>>41838408
If Nasu kills Guda and Mashu gets another man at the end, I might almost forgive Type-Moon for FGO.

Why can't people get along, we all love Typemoon characters here

>>41838417
what melt down would that cause.
I mean, not even completely impossible, just mostly, considering how they already did that to hakuno in fgo itself

>>41838433
Because some people just can't help but shit on characters other people like.

>>41838492
I admire your passion but I feel like being around here and the threads on /a/ it's the same HF movie fan baiting you most of the time so it's not worth wasting your effort on them

>>41838433
Rin pleases old men for money and fucks other guys behind Shirou's back (canon im Case Files)

The issue is never actually about the characters themselves, it is the fans. when people say they hate x, they are actually talking about their xfags. Many people try to avoid any Fate trio talk because it always devolves into a xfag vs xfag war.

>>41838603
to be fair, I never heard obnoxious Saberfags, it's always Rins and Sakuras throwing punches

>>41838520
Wow. Cute Rin/Shirou pic! Thanks for bringing it to my attention, it's quite rare. How'd you find it?

tohsaka rin clogs your toilet

>>41838417
>man
A gender fluid blob with no identity*

>>41838819
Literally Ditto.

Aoko raped by Cornelius Alba!

/c/ posting is so damn cringe.

/c/ posting is the best if not only good part of /tmg/.

This is my new favorite Len image

>>41838784
Aokofag sent it to me.

>>41838993
What's /c/ posting?

>>41838392
>Lmao. Sure thing, buddy.
Do you really want me to embarrass you? You really would not enjoy it, given how highly you seem to regard yourself. But I'm more than ready to break down how shitty your writing is, Barney style. Just say the word.
>Point to a single strawmen then. Just a single one.
lmfao
> I don't have a problem with Aokofags
I think everyone, not just the both of us, knows that isn't true.
>They do so because...
Has anyone actually told this to you? Or are you just projecting your own feelings of inadequacy on everyone else?
>I'm not basing my opinions on second hand information, though?
What? Are you retarded? Yes you are. You're literally basing your opinions on other people's opinions. That's the definition of "second hand information".
> I don't have a definitive opinion on Mahoyo or Aoko.
That could not be more obvious.
>None of this is my backtracking in any way whatsoever, however
Yes, it is.
>How many people posting in this thread do you ACTUALLY think give a single fuck about /jp/ outside of /tmg/?
lol
You continue to bury yourself further and further. You don't seem to grasp this, but I'm feeling nice enough to tell you. I know you're a lost cause. I will never convince you, of anything. That's pretty much the case for all 4chan arguments, or internet arguments in general. The point here is to illustrate to the audience what an absolute nigger of a human being you are, to get you to put your foot in your mouth. So thank you.
>Lol no you dumb faggot.
You're the only one here who resorted to /v/-tier shit flinging. You can try to cry and pretend you're the victim all you like, but you're clearly the aggressor here. The unwanted foreign element who does not care about the thread or the board and screeches whenever anything doesn't go their way.
>You dodge any actual discussion of FSN and Rin because you know you will get humiliated
Because I don't really care. As I've said, multiple times now. I have no vendetta against Rin, like you clearly do against Aoko, no matter how much you feign protest. This is why I have avoided talking about her multiple times now, whereas you can't keep Aoko or "aokofags" out of your fucking mouth. You asked earlier about strawman arguments, here it is. Not gonna bother going back to your earlier posts to point it out when you're doing it so flagrantly here. I have never said Rin is a bad character, like your delusions seem to dictate. Just that she doesn't have the same level of focus and precedence that Aoko does. Also bear in mind, this was in direct response to you claiming that the only reason anyone liked Aoko was "muh powerlevels", you disingenuous /v/ shitposter.
>to provide a single argument in their favour
How would you even know what is and isn't an argument "in their favor" when you blatantly haven't read the VN they're talking about, troglodyte?
> And knowing you lack the intelligence to respond to any single argument
I don't need to. I'm repeating myself at this point, but I have zero desire to debate storytelling/writing with such a blatant pseud. Especially when you've made it crystal clear that you haven't read Mahoyo. I'm not as enamored with Rin as you are, but I have never once suggested that she is a bad character. Just that she is "less than" Aoko in terms of development and story precedence. How can you get so belligerent about me, who has read both Mahoyo and F/SN, saying this, when you have not read Mahoyo at all? Anywho, as I've said several times now, I have zero interest in "debating" this with you.

My sole purpose here is to illustrate to everyone else that you A). are a flagrant crossboarder and B). have not read Mahoyo despite constantly getting into arguments about it and Aoko, and screeching nonstop about phantom "Aokofags". You've basically admitted to both of these at this point, but if you want to continue drawing rope to hang yourself, be my guest.

now this is autism

>>41835851
He will be a bro.

>>41839473
I love my king

>>41839484
>kills Shiki for going into the wrong room
Well then again Roa became a bro somehow

>>41839489

>>41837019
No it's cool as FUCK.

>>41839437
I don't give a fuck about Rin but his point that you don't need to have some character arc or go through some great change is actually legit and I hate when fags bring that up like it is remotely necessary. Sometimes the best characters were perfect from the start and or right all along. Depending on the context of the story and which characters we're talking about of course. Anyway, keep at it fags.
Whenever I see a post that's nearly the length of my cock with multiple green text quotes I usually skip it or skim it because it's one of you guys

>>41839728
This guy gets it. Revealing depth about a character as you go along is 100% valid and good writing too. A good example is Kotomine.

>>41839786
ALTERASCHIZOS ARE NOT ALLOWED HERE
GO BACK

>>41839437
>Do you really want me to embarrass you? You really would not enjoy it, given how highly you seem to regard yourself. But I'm more than ready to break down how shitty your writing is, Barney style.
Are you SEAL Marine too, with 90 confirmed kills? Do it, faggot.

>Has anyone actually told this to you?
It's blatantly obvious by how frequently they immediately resort to pointing out that Nasu's line of characters defined by the feisty tsundere archetype began with Aoko and can't stop calling Rin an inferior copy.

>Yes you are. You're literally basing your opinions on other people's opinions.
What the fuck are you even talking about, you stupid fucking retard? I said "I'm certain that Aoko is a great character" as a way to say "This character is in all probability most likely quite compelling". It's a figure of speech. I don't have an opinion on Aoko. This is just pathetic semantics by this point. No, it's not that; it's your desperately trying to grasp at whichever minor possible straw you can to heckin own the Rinfag. Stop trying to do some kind of 56D chess brilliant rhetorical maneuvers and just address the fucking arguments about Rin or I'm dropping this retarded conversation. I've had enough of your bullshit.

>The point here is to illustrate to the audience what an absolute nigger of a human being you are, to get you to put your foot in your mouth.
There's probably about three people that are going to read this conversation and none of the Rinfags in this general are going to stop liking me. Nor are the people who don't going to be swayed any other way. Yawn. How about we start talking about Rin, UBW and the romance therein now?

>This is why I have avoided talking about her multiple times now, whereas you can't keep Aoko or "aokofags" out of your fucking mouth.
Lmao nigger you literally accused me of being obsessed with Aoko while pretending Aokoniggers here aren't constantly seething about Rin, of course I'm gonna bring her up. A third of my fucking reply you are addressing there is about *Rin*. Nowhere in any of my many essays written on /tmg/ or on /a/ do I ever mention fucking Aoko.

>I have never said Rin is a bad character, like your delusions seem to dictate. Just that she doesn't have the same level of focus and precedence that Aoko does.
Anon, you literally said that Rin is *undeniably an objectively inferior character to Aoko*. Here's what you said, verbatim:

>But pretending she has the level of depth, focus and development that Aoko does is highly disingenuous.

This is such an utterly *arrogant* statement that it's shocking. Maybe if you didn't have your head up your own fucking ass you would realize how retarded it is. It's quite obvious that you think Rin is some shallow character people only like to jerk off to but you're too much of a fucking bitch to come out and say it.

You also said that Rin is less important to UBW than *Gilgamesh*. Rin's importance relative to Archer is already highly contestable -- I'd argue she is just as important, if not MORE SO. Again though, you don't want to have a discussion, you just wanna continue crafting your little victim narrative about people attacking muh heckin Aoko. The former claim is so utterly ridiculous that it made me laugh out loud. You are genuinely a very mediocre thinker and it's amusing to see you attempt to position yourself as any sort of intellect while being utterly incapable of engaging with any moderately sophisticated points. Rin is the fucking deuteragonist of FSN. She receives the single most amount of character development of any cast member outside of Shirou. She has two fucking routes where she undergoes extensive development. That is an objective FACT. It's not an expression of opinion.

Oh, and less not forget your claiming that Rin doesn't undergo an arc in UBW. Like lmao. Are you gonna fucking address that already? I'm losing my patience.

>Also bear in mind, this was in direct response to you claiming that the only reason anyone liked Aoko was "muh powerlevels", you disingenuous /v/ shitposter.
Oh ffs. Take your fucking meds already, you fucking schizo.

>How can you get so belligerent about me, who has read both Mahoyo and F/SN, saying this, when you have not read Mahoyo at all?
Maybe because it's one thing to say you prefer Aoko to Rin, and wholly another to claim she is indisputably superior while substantiating that statement with numerous utterly ridiculous arguments that at the same reveal a complete misunderstanding of Rin's character and her role in the story *and* making broad sweeping statements about art in general that are insanely close-minded and utterly ridiculous?

This uuuuhhh...
Sure has been a thread, eh...

>>41839891
it's shit.

saber

i remember when there were no rinfags in /tmg/, wasn't even that long ago.

remember when there were no fags in /tmg/, oh wait no I don't hahaha

>>41840064
truly the best of times. A shame it's all gone to shit.

I love this cute dork.

Why does the ufotable anime get so much hate? it's basically frame by frame anyway apart from all the edgy/unimportant shit that's cut

how many of you idiots are going to take the bait

I can't get mad at a brown girl...

>>41840064
truly the worst of times. Good it's all gotten better.

>>41839812
>Do it, faggot.
Alright, give me a bit. Don't know if I'll do it this instant, but I'll do it before this thread is dead, you have my word. Just remember, you signed your own death warrant.
>What the fuck are you even talking about, you stupid fucking retard?
>but that's because a great deal of people whom I deeply respect (who also love Rin btw) have vouched for her
This is a direct quote from you, retard. I don't know how else I'm supposed to interpret this, you're pretty clearly stating "I don't know anything about this character except what other people have told me".
>just address the fucking arguments about Rin
I don't care about Rin. I've said it multiple times. This is about me and you, at this stage. Not Rin vs. Aoko.
>Nowhere in any of my many essays written on /tmg/ or on /a/ do I ever mention fucking Aoko.
And nowhere have I given you flack for doing so. As I have said, I've been explicitly avoiding talking about Rin because I have nothing against her.
>This is such an utterly *arrogant* statement that it's shocking
The only thing arrogant here is you thinking you have a leg to stand on when you've admitted, multiple times at this point, that you haven't even read Mahoyo. I want you to explain to me why you think anyone should entertain your comparison, or why it isn't 100% disingenuous, when you literally know nothing about the source material for half of the argument.
> It's quite obvious that you think Rin is some shallow character
No, you just have some weirdo persecution complex where you automatically assume me saying X is better than Y means that Y is dogshit.
>You also said that Rin is less important to UBW than *Gilgamesh*.
I said it could be potentially argued, not that it "is". And being the primary antagonist to Shirou, the protagonist and principal focus of the route, saying such is not anywhere near as extreme a statement as your delusional waifufag ass is implying.
> you just wanna continue crafting your little victim narrative about people attacking muh heckin Aoko.
You're the one who keeps crying about being victimized. If you were attacking Aoko and actually knew what you were talking about, this conversation wouldn't exist. Like I said, you're blatantly a crossboarder that doesn't belong here and the type of shitposter that lets a piece of media he hasn't even touched live rent free in his head, and for reasons unbeknownst to the sane feels compelled to vociferously shitpost about it at every opportunity.
> Take your fucking meds already, you fucking schizo.
For what? That's literally a direct quote from you.
>Maybe because it's one thing
Again, explain why anyone should take you seriously when you haven't even read Mahoyo. Your opinion is utterly worthless. No amount of pontificating and purple prose on your part will change that.

Get out of /jp/. Expect my dissection of your original clusterfuck a post, since you asked for it.

>Higurashit pic
Shan't be wasting my time reading that

Don't bother with the tl;drhino. Just keep posting Aokos and laugh at his constant schizo freakouts and accusations.

>>41840332
who are you talking to?

>>41840344
Everyone.

>>41840349
why do you think everyone needs to listed to your schizo ramblings?

Nasuverse threads have always been a free-for-all

>>41840278
>Just remember, you signed your own death warrant.
>Get out of /jp/. Expect my dissection of your original clusterfuck a post, since you asked for it.
How did you type this shit out without cringing? Seriously? But whatever. I'll humour you for now.

>I don't know how else I'm supposed to interpret this, you're pretty clearly stating "I don't know anything about this character except what other people have told me".
lol anon, do I really have to spell it out? A bunch of people have recommended Mahoyo to me, people who were quite excited to hear my thoughts on Mahoyo because they've liked my analyses of FSN and Tsukihime. People who respect me, and I respect in turn. They told me they consider Aoko, Soujurou and Alice to be excellent characters. I doubt I'll be able to read through Mahoyo soon after the Western release is out, but I will do it eventually. And given the praise it's received, I'm going in with high hopes. That's all there is to it lol.

>This is about me and you, at this stage.
I really couldn't give less of a shit, to be honest.

>As I have said, I've been explicitly avoiding talking about Rin because I have nothing against her.
Perhaps you should apply this heuristic to myself and ponder upon why it is that I keep trying to steer the conversation away from your Aoko autism to a discussion on your assertions about Rin's character, then. Maybe it's because I don't really care about shitting on Aoko? Hmm...

>I want you to explain to me why you think anyone should entertain your comparison, or why it isn't 100% disingenuous, when you literally know nothing about the source material for half of the argument.
I genuinely have no idea what you are referring to here. I wasn't comparing Aoko and Rin, in my initial post that started this all of: >>41825148, I was comparing *my posts on why Rin is a great character* with *the posts of Aokofags on why Aoko is a great character*. I was referring to how incapable Aokofags are at providing a cogent in-depth explanation at why Aoko is so good while constantly shitting on Rin. I was attacking Aokofags who keep attacking me yet having no salient reason to do so beyond the fact that I absolutely adore Rin and like to talk about why I do so. Re-read what I said:

>Even though you can't stop constantly seething about me? Are you angry because I can actually explain why Rin is a good character while everything your kind can do is go "Le Rin has le love interest muh Aoko better cuz muh power levels muh DBZ Kamehamehas and Rasenguns"?

Where am I doing a comparison between Rin and Aoko here, anon? I'm not attacking Aoko, I'm attacking *Aokofags*.

>And being the primary antagonist to Shirou, the protagonist and principal focus of the route, saying such is not anywhere near as extreme a statement as your delusional waifufag ass is implying.
What nonsense. The primary antagonist of UBW is ARCHER. Shirou's character arc in UBW is centered around his relationships with Rin and Archer, and how those two character facillitate his inner conflict and ultimately help toward resolving it. Gilgamesh is not a character in any meaningful sense, he is a PLOT DEVICE. His relationship with Shirou isn't particularly deep or engaging. It serves its purpose and that's about it; it fulfills the necessary story beat of having Shirou not only proclaim the validity of his ideal in his fight with Archer but also actualize it in reality. And that's perfectly fine. But to pretend that Gilgamesh is any way important on his, that he is not simply there to facillitate the plot... that's just absurd.

>>41840583
>The primary antagonist of UBW is ARCHER.

What about Caster and Gil?

the funny part is the actually rebarbative rinfag isn't even here rn.

What's with this "people who respect me" etc. shit? Is this dude from discord or some shit?

what are they even arguing about

Nasu seems to always recycle themes and character archetypes but by trying to tackle them from different perspectives

Stop using mean words!

>>41840583
With all due respect, you did characterise Aokoposters as only caring about powerlevels and being incapable of actually dissecting the character and the stories she takes part in.
That is untrue, though you would have to trawl the archives to find long essays. In recent times most people who do care to do long dissertations are gone.

>>41840631
>what are they even arguing about

>>41840651

>>41840622
Trying to characterise all the unique posters here is enough to go insane. There are discordfags from multiple fronts, raiders from multiple boards on occasion, and some really old ircfags.

>>41840659
kek, now updated with short skirt Arc.

>>41840667
And a very virulent mix of SEA, South Americans and EOP's.

>>41840667
what's with the internet and people with mental illness I swear

>>41839794
is this artist...?

>>41840765
he's what...?

The funniest thing about this whole schizofest is that Aoko and Rin basically have the same character arc (muh tough magus facade) but with just some minor differences.

>>41840774
Except Aoko is cool and Rin is lame. She can play the guitar after all.

>"It's like when you write - when you're younger, you look back on [previous work] and you think 'Oh, goodness what was I thinking,'" Nasu explained. "It's not that I'm embarrassed, I just don't like to look at my previous works."
>Nasu: When I wrote Kara no Kyoukai, I felt resistance towards so many things—society, entertainment, culture—and it was my motivation to write the story. Now, I am thrilled to be writing from a place of gratitude, though with just a touch of sadness. It feels like the old Nasu Kinoko has passed on. I suppose you could say I've gone under a heavy detox, and feel much more virtuous now (laughs).

>Q: In the first month of 2004 Fate went on sale. What was the reaction to it like?
>Takeuchi: They seemed to really like it, which made us very happy.
>Nasu: It was a title we believed in, so seeing it sell well gave us a lot of confidence. The reactions to it were both good and, in some cases, a little hollow. It was a victory that was both satisfying and hollow.
>Takeuchi: He's speaking of the Sakura route. A lot of people were disatisfied with it. Hence, the hollow feeling.
>Nasu: Yes, although recently more people are warming up to it. When it first came out, people were so excited and pleased by the Saber and Rin routes that they expected to keep proceeding down the royal road. The Sakura route is not like that at all, and they had trouble accepting that when it first appeared. We learned a lot from that experience.

What did Nasu mean by this? Why wasn't the Sakura route accepted?

https://www.reddit.com/r/okbuddyrintard/comments/z0uzng/remake_in_a_nutshell/
post that killed /tmg/

>>41840867

>>41840640
enjou is nothing like shirou

>>41840887
Reminder that Shirou/Archer is the face of Fate, everything comes back to him thematically as a foil

Notice how for every route, the tackled characters are the ones that connect in some way. Like in UBW: Assassin, Archer, and Shirou are fakes, Caster betrayed like Archer was, Kuzuki's view of right and wrong in comparison to Shirou view and Archer's... etc.

Kirei is obvious as the anti-shirou, Saber and Gil are also likewise two different sides of the same coin and in turn shine a further light on Shirous heroic ideals.

Archer (EMIYA) makes for a good foil representing what shirou could become if he fails, and is a wonderfully detestable person when called for.

Shinji's foil of Gilgamesh and the anti-Sakura. Gilgamesh can achieve any of his goals and despises humans. Shinji can never achieve his goals and doesn't hate humans. But both strive for life affirmation from an external source and will never be content. And where Sakura blames herself for the world's problems, Shinji blames the world for his own problems.

Rider's motivations are in parallel with Sakura's (as is every servant with their master should be). She's a monster like Sakura is. She wants to protect Sakura like how Sakura wants to protect Shirou.

Even the side characters like Caster and co have something to them and further add to the elements concerning the main character (nurture vs nature being the big one with Caster and Kuzuki, while Kojiro as minor as he is represents what obsession can do to a person)

Gilgamsh is a foil to Saber because he was a bad king and she was a good king, he was a foil to Shirou since he was the original and S-man was the fake(also it was just so poorly written when he started going on about ideals only so Shirou could have a moment of awesome where he goes "Shut up! my ideals are awesome, come UBW", and in HF he was not really present much but he was just something that motivated a change in Sakura by putting her in danger enough to merge completely with Angya so that Imaginary Numbers could come back into existence.

Even Nasu regrets writing Saber's route.

>>41840647
It is banal to point out that given Type-Moon's popularity and Nasu's quality writing, it is trivially true that basically every single major character is well-written enough to attract intelligent and perceptive individuals capable of writing in-depth analyses of said character due to their love for them. Of course there's smart and insightful Aokofags. My posts always strictly refer to Aokofags as they exist right now on /tmg/, and many if not most of them are annoying and hold Rin in deep contempt while also being incapable of properly critiquing her, going so far as to lose their shit over my explaining why I like the character. They possess an utterly embarrassing anti-intellectual streak while simultaneously wishing to position themselves as being the anointed few of TM fans that are superior to the "unwashed masses" for liking less popular TM products. Yes, that post I chose to bring to attention was especially bad, even for an Aokofag. But it served to illustrate my point and it's retarded that someone would take that statement so literally.

please leave these threads

>>41840867
You could have posted the actual source.
https://opinionatedtofu.blogspot.com/2022/01/tsukihime-remake-review-plotdump.html

>>41841152
>I've never read the original Tsukihime, and everything I know about it is from Fate, FGO, or memes
>Adult women behaving inappropriately towards a minor (the mc)
what a fag
the review isn't too bad although I highly disagree with him on the romance part

>>41841161
>>Adult women behaving inappropriately towards a minor (the mc)
I first thought of Noel but I guess this applies to Arach, Arc, and Ciel.

>>41840867
>>41840887
>posting Reddit links and twitter images of literal whos
It’s over

>>41841202
shut up

>>41841177
Older women just can't help themselves and desire to groom Shiki.

Who are they?
No right answers.

balls

>>41841211
Fuck off bitch. You don’t belong here

>>41841229
me and your mom

>>41841290
Which one are you?

>>41841252
looks like someone was downvoted lmao

>>41841202
Most posters here browse reddit or twitter. News at 11.

>>41841443
Using reddit is plain wrong and twitter for anything besides getting art, japanese news, and things of that nature is also wrong (i.e. don't be one of those fucking faggots that actually tweets shit and talks to people). Either way, go back.

>>41841323
>>41841443
Go back there then faggots. That shit isn’t tolerated here.

post sex

>>41841501

>>41840959
>Even Nasu regrets writing Saber's route.

Why?

>last minute villain is supposed to be the big bad behind everything all along

Defend this

ZAMN,,, jalter looks like THAT?
i never realized she was this stacked before.

>>41840896
Fujino and Araya are nothing like Sakurai and Kirei

>>41841492
>he has negative reddit karma

>>41836755
The only somewhat decent part is Camelot, Babylonia and LB1 but otherwise it's a hot steaming pile of dog feces. I recommend not playing at all unless you have friends or willing to browse /alter/ or /onii-chan/ to try to maintain any interest you have built.

>>41840583
>>41840278
>>41829322
You asked, I delivered. A complete breakdown of how godawful your writing is. A man much smarter and infinitely more talented than you once said, "Brevity is the soul of wit". It means the hallmark of intellect isn't egregiously long sentences and paragraphs, that ostensibly exist only to obfuscate, but to make your point as succinctly and efficiently as possible. A quality you clearly do not possess. You write like a college student trying to pathetically pad his word/page count. It's genuinely painful to read.
You've made it clear that you don't care about this thread, or this board. But I do. So for the sake of everyone here, I'm keeping this autism out of the thread, so as not to be an eyesore. I'm also giving you a final out. You can choose not to open this cat's box:
https://controlc.com/5ea0c859

>lol anon, do I really have to spell it out?
Nah, you've made it crystal clear. That's never been the point of confusion. I'd like to know why you think you're qualified to speak on the comparison whatsoever, or have any opinion at all. You have not read Mahoyo. If someone who read both F/SN and Mahoyo says "Aoko is better than Rin", their opinion automatically trumps yours, poorly written essay or no. Because they read both VNs, and you did not. And you getting mad about it and lashing out at people who have read both for expressing their opinion is fucking absurd. This basically addresses the rest of your ceaseless whiny kvetching too.
>I wasn't comparing Aoko and Rin
You can try to claim that, but you're getting mad at the comparison, and lashing out at people. Which implies you believe there is some kind of fault therein, i.e. that one answer is right, and one answer is wrong. Also I don't know why you're linking this post. It clearly shows you're the one who started shit. No one said anything about Rin vs. Aoko until you brought it up, right there. This shit is so deeply embedded in your head that you bring it up completely unbidden.
>I was referring to how incapable Aokofags are at providing a cogent in-depth explanation at why Aoko is so good
The clear insinuation you're making here is that it "doesn't exist". This is reinforced by the way you attacked this post, >>41828265, so vehemently. And here >>41829322, you say pretty plainly "Your defense of Aoko".
>I'm not attacking Aoko, I'm attacking *Aokofags*.
So what was Aoko being "defended" from earlier? Your words, not mine. The mere, simple suggestion that someone thinks Aoko is better than Rin sends you into a frothing rage. Your reaction, which you so kindly linked, betrays your intent. The normal reaction for you, when confronted with someone saying "Aoko is better than Rin", should be complete apathy. "I haven't read Mahoyo, I have no idea if that's true or not". But that's not you. You get mad. You get angry. "How dare Aokofags say blah blah blah". Again, no one brought this up until you did.

The fact that you get so incensed and worked up over this topic, to the point that you're randomly lashing out at "Aokofags" over it, because they don't meet your arbitrary metric of poorly written paragraphs, is ridiculous. There's no reason for you to be mad about it, and you don't even have the right to be.

>>41842365
epic

holy shit FSNfags are fucking pathetic. these boomers are truly mentally stunted

>>41836755
It's a fucking phone game, they have to make it so even the cheapest rinky dink smart phone can run it.
They also have to pander to the lowest common denominator. If they make the story too long or complex or focus too much on any one character or don't constantly break it up with busy work (fighting crabs) the gachaturds that play it will riot.

>>41841776
Why the fuck are you posting FGO garbage on here when it’s clear that shit isn’t tolerated? Come on now. I tolerated your garbage info dumps but I won’t be tolerating you posting shit like this. Fuck off.

Loving all this new Mahoyo art. I actually think this looks better as a cover than the other one with all the characters in it