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>>4170929
Jessica is everyone on the island except for Battler.

Jessica is a bomb

Jessica is the island.

>>4170929
Jessica was the Guest House. Erika taped her up.

>>4170944
Presumably a small one

>>4170929
She's a lying liar who lies alot, but you got me beyond that.

>>4170936
>>4170944
>>4170945
I lol'd so hard

>>4170964
Red herring bro. Jessica is actually the bottle that carried the letter at the very end.

Morons, Jessica is Battler's imaginary mother.

>>4170929
Well, you know how we call her Moon-chan?
She's LITERALLY the moon.

>>4170929
All trolling aside, everyone suspects her for something. And there is most likely more than one mastermind.

>>4171019
So Umineko is a Majora's Mask ripoff?

>>4171051
Yeah. Luckily, Battler just has to play the song of time to restart things.

>>4171051
If only.

Although Majora's Mask's music was pretty insane. It'd be a good comparison to Umineko in some respects.

>>4171051
>>4171072
>>4171065
Hell...Battler already has the Master Sword remember?

Look at that bitch, she has a smug smile, cause she knows that shit's gonna go down, and she couldn't be happier. Look at how that chair of hers is like a throne. Fucking bitch.

I
MAKE
THIS
SHIT
LOOK
GOOD

>>4171125
But I had to bail you out in EP6...well, the other me anyway.

>>4171051
Someone shoop Jessica's demon face onto the MM moon right the fuck now.

>>4170945

>Jessica is the island.


WHAT

>>4171148
I think the creepy tarot face would be more appropiate.

>>4171125
I hope he keeps the cape for next episode.

>>4171125

>>4171230
maybe next episode is justice suit
and maybe Bern's portarit

>>4171263
Justice Suit Battler versus Bern, do want.

But if I had my way, the culprit would show up in the meta-world, destroy Bern and Featherine, in a THEY DID NOT KNOW WHAT THEY WERE FUCKING WITH MANNER, and then be the final meta-boss.

>>4170929
Mastermind who is a lesbian who is going out with George.

>>4171277
>But if I had my way, the culprit would show up in the meta-world, destroy Bern and Featherine, in a THEY DID NOT KNOW WHAT THEY WERE FUCKING WITH MANNER, and then be the final meta-boss.

I like this idea. Who would your preferred culprit be, though?

>>4171277
I'm rooting for Featherine for last boss, not even 34 seems to want to be it. She's the most neutral character I've seen in umineko when it matters

>>4171313
Well, two options for me are Kyrie and Jessica, both due to the emotional impact. Anyone else wouldn't be as much of a troll to pull that shit off.

>>4171334
Well, George could be a goo-, nah, who am I kidding, he really wouldn't make a splash in the pool, would he?

>>4171362
It's a fact that all culprits in WHEN THEY CRY have to be female. No exceptions.

>>4171388
we've just had ONE culprit for now, but really, women always are the culprits here, the guys are just stupid

>>4171388
The culprit is Beato, because she is evil.

>>4171414
Yeah. Well, except Hideyoshi.

I bet you last episode will have Kanon confess to Battler, Battler accepts it even without even knowing Kanon is Shannon is Beatrice and thus still thinks Kanon is a boy. Battler will be confirmed gay.

>>4171464
But, uh, Kanon is a reverse trap.
So he'd be Kanji-gay, at worst.

>>4171475
Kanji was a flaming homo. Naoto was just helping him deny himself, which was why taking Naoto so he couldn't pretend he was strait was good for him.

>>4171489
But, uh, he is very into Naoto, even after it's revealed she lacks a penis.

>>4171492
Bullshit, he was more into the protagonist than he was into Naoto.

>>4171497
Not in the least, remember the whole beauty pagent thing?

You know what's funny? I was reading a blog of some one making his theory on Episode 4, and he basically came to the conclusion that Beatrice is Battler's mother.

lolwat?

I wonder, where the hell did Jessica learn to box?

>>4171526
What I wanna know is where she leaned how to lie so well, personally.

>>4171526
Her dad. Certain traits or habits pass on.

>>4171530
Got together with Nasu's girls.

>>4171516
A lot of people (anime only and novel readers alike) came to that conclusion at some point.

>>4171533
I'd like to see Jessica get into a boxing match with Krauss.

Both of them get brass knuckles.

>>4171516
Post the gif

>>4171550
You know, Jessica would most likely win. She'd use a gun, of course, but she'd still win.

>>4171554
Battler gets trolled by his mother and his somewhat hot cousin, the anime!

>>4171555
No weapons other than the brass knuckles.

Well, if that's the case, then I'm pretty sure Jessica would be left in a sobbing, broken heap with a smashed up face and ribs.

>>4171578
Nah, she'd just tell him that today is opposite day or something. This is Krauss we're dealing with here.

>>4171539

Just think what happened around 1968 / 69 ... Battler's birth, then Beatrice dies, Bat-toddler given to Kinzo's orphan institute.....
shit happens around early '70 when Kinzo tries to give Battler to Natsuhi, cliff accident , then ????

>>4171598
Yeah, but Battler himself brings this up to counter Erika's truth, and because it's equal, we can assume it's false.

Jessica fought on par with Ronove
Ronove>>>>fodder goat

>>4171608
That never happened.

>>4171535
Yeah, she'd get along well with Kohaku, methinks.

>>4171606
I see your point.

The problem is that we don't have complete 'historical' info about the Ushiromiya affairs from the late '60 to the early '80 (yet).
We don't know that much about the orphanage either.

>>4171642
See, if you want to get reaaaaaaaallly wacky, you could have Jessica be Beatrice 2.0's baby. Or something to that effect.

>>4171618
without love, it cannot be seen.

>>4171642

continuing ...

Is it possible that Shannon and/or Kanon have met in the orphanage at a very young age??????

>>4171651
Which isn't always a bad thing. Love and bloody murder don't go well together.

>>4171598
Kinzo gave Rudolf's son to Natsuhi and then later gave his son with Beatrice to Rudolf out of guilt. The culprit is Rudolf who is pissed about his real son being dead, and wants revenge on Natsuhi and Kraus. Also Kinzo's will gives everything to Battler as he is his son with Beatrice.

>>4171642
continuing ...

Is it possible that Shannon and/or Kanon have met BATTLER in the orphanage at a very young age??????

>>4171674
But, uh, Rudolf dies early. Alot.

Jessica is a sex-dependent mollusk that dresses as her little sister Shannon to fuck George. Ryu07 agreed, don't bother him about it.

>>4171675
There's a 2-3 year age gap. Shannon & Kanon are 16. And Battler is either 18 or 19.

>>4171695
He, uh, he did? I don't think he said anything about that.....

>>4171674
>>4171690

well well, maybe the culprit is the ' fake ' Battler

>>4171709
You're arguing with a troll about a meme, bro.

>>4171728
Oh, shoot. See, I have a theory that everyone in the island is actually a fish of some sort, and when he said Mollusk my heart jumped...

>>4171716
Meh, don't get too caught up in that shit, let us use episodes 1-4 like R07 said we should.

>>4171734
Well, then I guess Kumasawa is a mackerel.

>>4171555
Guns are super-effective, usually.

So here we have:
Jessica is everything
Only a female can be the culprit(bitches and whores)
George is pathetic
Jessica is a lying bitch
Jessica is the culprit
Battler might be Kinzo's son
Battler's cape is awesome

Did I miss anything?

>>4171856
>Battler might be Kinzo's son
what

>>4171856
Nah, you're good!

>>4171867 see

>>4171598

>>4171879
God, that image never fails to piss me off.

>>4171856
Telling ya man, Archer is the culprit. He's trying to kill Battler so to spare him for his awful fate.

>>4171912
Jessica has always been effective at trolling us, you shouldn't be surprised, really.

Can't wait until next episode, when Bern helps Battler smack down that evil witch.

>>4171980
With her fucking character song and the way EP6 developed her, Ryukishi will probably try to redeem her, and I will rage like a motherfucker.

Of course, he also stated Erika is a good girl, and then she fucking beheaded five living human beings, so he's fairly incompetent.

>>4171998
Wasn't her character song just on a doujin cd?

>>4171998
I hope they don't try to redeem the culprit. I really, really hope.

>>4172004
If I recall correctly, dai composed it, so I figured it was official. Perhaps not though, I would hope it isn't, because I see no way of making her a "good guy."

>>4172028
You lack love, Anon.
But you do indeed, possess a large amont of common sense.

>>4171998
But, uh... her character song didn't develop her at all. It was basically just a bunch of references, primarily Higurashi ones.

>>4172088
There was a decent bit of HEY BROSKIS IF I BECOME A MONSTER YOU MIGHT WANNA TAKE CARE OF THAT in it.

>>4172057
Oh, wow, I'm imagining this:
Bern and Featherine become good guys again, and then, suddenly ahaha.wav plays, Meta-Culprit appears, ices them both, all while a kickass HOLY SHIT YOU ARE FUCKING EVIL theme plays.

>>4172096
 >>4172088 here. I was an idiot and for some strange reason thought >>4171998 was referring to Jessica.

Wait. Waitwaitwaitwaitwait.

Wait.

Ok.

Wait.

Ep 6 spoilers.. uhm. Yeah, thought i'd caught them all but the most silly ones but.. bern being the good guy?

WHAT?!

>>4172135
No, Bern is fucking evil.

>>4172135
Just that she's being developed as the tragic antagonist.

Ryukishi will probably show that Lambda and Featherine started this shit to get back her heart, or something fucking stupid like that.

>>4172140

Oh thank FUCK.

Jesus, /jp/. Don't DO that to me.

>>4172160

Oh, comeon. We all know bern'll just troll face them in the end.

>>4172160
Lambda did, at the very least. Apparently Episode 6 says something along those lines, or at least implies it.

As for Featherine, well... We'll have to wait and see if she's gone full Oyashiro-sama mode.

>>4172183
Dude, Bern and Featherine munch on some human entrails. And BERN is disgusted by Featherine's evil, so I doubt Featherine is a good guy.

Lambda has noble intentions, or at least lesbian intentions, for Bern.

Umineko would be better if the genders of all the characters were flipped, [y/n]

>>4172290
I wouldn't say 'better'.

But genderflipped Beato and Battler gets a yes from me.

>>4172290
>Male Beatrice abusing female Battler
That only works because of how the genders are, feminist types would throw a bitch fit.

>>4172308
Oh, and Rosa stays a woman.

A father abusing his spawnling is not nearly as amusing as a mother.

>>4172308
Well, she did kinda feed him to goats and stuff.

>>4172308
But technically they abuse each other equally.

And by equally I mean Battler tortured Beato.

>>4172330
It only passed under the radar because it was in response to her, and far less overt.

I couldn't picture the end of EP2 with the genders reversed, without assuming this was an eroge.

>>4172330
Nah, Battler gets the dubious honor of seeing his cousins go to hell in episode 1, gets fed to goats and watches his entire family be tortured in episode two, gets the shit trolled out of him in episode 3, and watches his sister get turned into delicious hamburger in episode 4, while Beato mocks him about it.

Beato just chillaxes for episode 1-3, and THEN gets impaled by Battler in episode 4, but mostly because she made the wise choice of taunting him about his dead little sister.

>>4172361
> Beato just chillaxes for episode 1-3

>>4172361

>>4172357
> I couldn't picture the end of EP2 with the genders reversed, without assuming this was an eroge.
Now imagine that scene in Episode 6 with Erika and the ring, but genderbent.

>>4172396
Meh, I'd say Battler still went through more shit that Beato did.

>>4172407
Not in Battler's opinion.

>>4172427
Battler is an idiot.

>>4172427
Yeah, but since when is Battler qualified about anything, much less so to make an accurate opinion?

>>4172361
Did you read anything that Lamdadelta had to say about Beato's actions in the previous games?

>>4172290
I am okay with this.

>>4172453
But wait, wouldn't that make Rudolf a slut?

>>4172525
Rudolf is a slut regardless of gender.

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>>4172290
Hm, that would make Kyrie Archer, and Jessica would be Gilgamesh.......
I'mokwiththis.jpg

It is forbidden for the culprit to be anyone not mentioned in the early part of the STORY.
It is forbidden for supernatural agencies to be employed as a detective TECHNIQUE.
It is forbidden for hidden passages to EXIST.
It is forbidden for unknown drugs or hard to understand scientific devices to be USED.
It is forbidden for accident or intuition to be employed as a detective TECHNIQUE.
It is forbidden for the detective to be the CULPRIT.
It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not PRESENTED.
It is permitted for observes to let their own conclusions and interpretations be HEARD.
It is forbidden for a character to disguise themselves as another without any CLUES.

>>4172556
Hold. How is Erika the killer in episode 6, then?

>>4172565
She refused the Detective's Authority for that Episode.

>>4172565
She isn't the detective.

>>4172556
>It is forbidden for a character to disguise themselves as another without any CLUES.
Which only leaves possibly Jessica and Shannon as pretend Beatrice, and that's with a little twisted logic.

>>4172565
It is forbidden for the culprit to be anyone not mentioned in the early part of the STORY.
It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not PRESENTED.
I will not allow IT.

>>4172583
Teehee, more like leaves only Jessica available to dress up as Beato.

>>4172595
Yeah, if you went by Knox, but it doesn't HAVE to go by Knox, does it?

>>4172594
Erika was the killer in episode six, though

>>4172611
Didn't Beato's games usually follow the rules of Knox, though? Because she wasn't a cheating whore?

>>4172583
No, Kanon is the one who dresses up as Beatrice.

>>4172579
It is permitted for observes to let their own conclusions and interpretations be HEARD.
It is forbidden for the detective to be the CULPRIT.
In this case, it could be possible for Erika to be the culprit, if episode 6 counts as a new STORY.

>>4172628
> In this case, it could be possible for Erika to be the culprit, if episode 6 counts as a new STORY.
Yeah, it seems to be the case that each gameboard counts as an individual mystery, so the rules "reset", so to speak, for each game.

>>4172626
Meh, I'd trust Knox over that.

>>4172611
...You dare go against my FATHER?

>>4172626
Who is just another personality of Shannon.

>>4172657
The patricidal, unfeeling monster is right, Knox rules should count or Ryukishi is fucking horrible as storytelling.

>>4172626
There's not enough time for him to disguise himself and come back. He was the one that questioned the location of Maria when he went to cousins in the guest house.

>>4172655
How is the fact that Jessica is able to cosplay as Marisa evidence that Jessica can convincingly dress up as Beatrice, then?

>>4172666
Yeah, I suppose. Knox rules make the only one capable of dressing up as Beato Jessica, though. Just letting you know.

>>4172677
Not Marisa, silly. The fact that Beatrice is modeled after Battler's ideal, and that his ideal is girls like Jessica.

>>4172688
But then there'd be no reason for Jessica to create another personality, because she'd already be Battler's ideal to begin with. Beatrice was created by someone who couldn't be Battler's ideal.

Teatrice is the most credible theory.

>>4172692
...Unless the argument that someone other than Jessica created Beatrice, and Jessica is just dressing up as Beatrice for the hell of it.

>>4172692
Nah, Beatrice was created as a depository for someone's repressed feelings for Battler. She is granted blonde hair, blue eyes, etc, etc, but never is stated to have lacked these things.

>>4172649
This is one thing that has bugged me about the red in umineko since episode 5: How much of the red applies to all games?

Battler used "No person would mistake Ushiromiya Kinzo by sight" in the retrial for Episode 5. But this is something spoken in regard to Episode 4, and Beato never said it applies to all games.

Since Battler used this as the new game master, it would imply that the Red always applies to all games. But this creates some interesting situations: for example, when EVA used her web of Red shortly before the end of the 3rd game:
>Battler is alive
>Eva is alive
>Jessica is alive

Now, if those three statements apply to all games, that would mean that Jessica and Eva were faking their deaths in Episode 1 and 2, wouldn't it?

>>4172692
Jessica doesn't have blue eyes and she's roughly the same age as Battler, not older than him.

So I've been away from /jp/ for a while, and wasn't able to keep up with the theories for umineko.

How does the shannon = kannon thing still hold water after episode 5 (I'm reading it right now, haven't touched 6 yet).

There have been multiple times where both Erika and battler have seen them together in the same room. How could they be the same person?

>>4172692
Well, Jessica is the first and only person that talks about creating different persona's inside yourself, which should be the major red flag.

>>4172723
I think those scenes are narrated from Battler's POV, hence, an unreliable one.

>>4172723
Battler isn't the detective, so he sees shit like Kinzo around when he's already dead, and Ryukishi pulled the dick move of "hur dur, we nevar see Erika's POV, so it doesn't count."

He's just fucking trolling his fans at this point.

>>4172723
The problem is that Erika being the detective has a giant loophole since we never see her POV.

Basically, who told you that Erika saw them together? It wasn't Erika, it was Battler, someone who no longer has a reliable POV.

>>4172726
But as someone else stated, what Jessica talked about was just facades, the persona you put on when interacting in a certain atmosphere.

In other words, it's not support for Jessitrice, but rather pure Moon-chan support.

>>4172735
>>4172736
that's.... retarded.

>>4172756
You want to shit bricks, post the MU face comparison.

>>4172750
To be fair, R07 did say Episode 5 had "a big trap".

If you think about it some more though, it is the only way for Episode 5 to make sense: Did you REALLY expect Erika to be able to knock Battler on her ass with a blast of concentrated Mary Sue?

The upside of this situation is that it allows Yandere Erika theory to exist :3

>>4172735
>>4172728
Not same poster but bullshit, that's just bullshit.

>>4172681
Wrong. Eva clearly mentioned in Episode 1, that the person who gave Maria the letter was probably one of the servants, "Shannon".

>>4172769

>>4172766
I agree, but that's what we get with a third rate mystery.

>>4172769
A speculation someone makes about a letter, not even specifying a particular servant =/= adequate foreshadowing to indicate Shannon could dress up as Beato.

>>4172769
Honestly I think Maria is retarded enough that anyone could have handed her the umbrella and the letter and told her its from Beatrice and she would have believed them.

>>4172783
Oh, and PROTIP: when the answer is given to you, by someone who isn't even the detective no less, you best believe that that is likely not to be the answer.

>>4172809
Well, that's not what Detective Adachi said. He said that Namatame was the killer. So Namatame must be the killer!

>>4172801
I, for one, still like the Kanontrice idea. I mean, just look at Maria's interaction with him here: >>4172626.

>>4172863
meet
>>4172671

Ain't likely.

>>4172874
Who said anything about disguises? Maria is obviously making a connection between Kanon and Beatrice to begin with. If Kanon really does have the Beatrice personality, then he wouldn't even need to change.

...Not to mention he's the one who was most likely to give Maria the letter in the first place.

>>4172884
Oh,well now I'm just imagining Kanon talking in a Beato voice while wearing his hat, Anon.

>>4172809
UU mad?

>>4172884
Kanon, Shannon, and Genji are Kinzo's furniture, after all..

>>4172897
No, he'd take the hat off and put a rose in his hair.

>>4172910
Not in the slightest. But I am now, that you reminding me of Maria's annoying verbal tic....

>>4172897
>>4172917
I just spit my tea all over my laptop, thanks to you guys.

>>4172705
Beatrice, the game master, used the red truth in episode 1 to prove that they were indeed, DEAD. EVA-Beatrice was never the game MASTER. It is forbidden for supernatural agencies to be employed as a detective TECHNIQUE. It is forbidden for the detective to be the CULPRIT.

>>4172949
Let me see you with your glasses.

Hey, I don't actually read Umineko, but it seems that posting a picture of Jessica almost always precedes a long thread.

What is it about the character that makes this happen, out of curiosity?

>>4172974
Here, have some glasses.

>>4173009
She's an easy way to troll Beatofags and fags in general.

>>4173009
She has always jokingly been called the culprit, then we got "proof" she wasn't the culprit, and everyone raged when she was even brought up, and now with two episodes left, she's the second most likely person to be the culprit for real.

She's like pure covert trolling.

>>4173009
She's very... how should I say, Polarizing?
Many people don't like her character, but she ends up being undeniably suspicious.

Thus, she pops up a lot in theories, and you have those who don't like her character attempt to downplay her moments of being suspicious.

It's a vicious cycle.

>>4173035
Funny how that worked out.
And as a culprit, she IS a troll.
So she is some kind of troll, who trolls not only the characters, but the FANS OF THE SERIES AS A WHOLE.

A trolling god!

So is there anything regarding that one novel R07's writing that seems to have a hobo-end Battler and a Lolitrice in it that hasn't been posted to death?

>>4172974
Okay, but I wonder WHY?
>>4173012
........

>>4173115
Well, no. No one has bothered to translate it yet.
Also, it's SPESS MEHREN Beato, not loli-Beato.

>>4173131
A space marine Beato is fine too.

>>4173119
Why are you surprised that Battler has pictures of you?

>>4173172
...I am not SURPRISED. In episode 6, Battler is the Game Master after ALL.

>>4173212
Woah, sign me up to be the game master, then!

>>4173212
So you have to pose nude for the GM?

Umineko is suddenly awesome.

>>4173096
Well, with parents like this, can you really blame her?

>>4173224
.............

>>4172949
The only red text used toward episode 1 was the stuff in the Tea Party. Regarding that, it only guaranteed the identity of the unidentified corpses, not the life or death status of the corpses themselves. We can only trust what Battler saw, and if I recall correctly he didn't get a very close look at the corpses.

>>4173260
And guess who lived to the end?
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucking Moon-chan!

>>4173224
>>4173233
.............................
I will not allow you to be the Game MASTER.

>>4173284
Heh, well, you wouldn't allow Erika to PERISH, and yet she DID.

>>4173267

Jessica is a very good actress. I wonder how good it feels to kill her incompetent father.

>>4173267

And George, Maria, Battler and, possibly, Shkannon.

Your point?

>>4173297
Feelsgoodman.

>>4173295
...Erika is EVIL. I do not like HER.

>>4173318
That's not what you said in Episode 6.

>>4173297
Most likely about as good as it felt when she answered the phone in episode 4.

WHATS DAT? GRANDFATHER KILLED MOM? THAT SON OF A BITCH!

>>4173326
Even Dlanor likes to troll people.

>>4173326
I am the game piece Dlanor from episode 5. I do not have knowledge or feelings of any further EPISODES.

>>4173338
Ah, I see.

>>4173334
Goddamn, the rage, the rage! She induces so much rage!

>>4170929
Jessica is my waifu <333

>>4173364
Yeah, she's so pure, and innocent, and clean!

>>4173376
wow sarcasm lol but i do like here and where are you guys getting these assumptions from??

Yeah, I sure love Umineko.
The blonde haired character and the red haired character's will they won't they antics amuse me so....

>>4173399
I prefer there, myself.

I'm a bit confused. When the servants were seeing Kinzo and all that chatting with Natsuhi or whatever, it was said that because they are in on the lie they can also see them, even though they don't exist. How come Battler sees Kanon and Shannon together all of a sudden if his perspective is unreliable? I don't see him being in on it.

>>4173260
...UNDERSTOOD. That is TRUE. Were there any drugs or hard to understand scientific devices that were known during the game time of October 1986? Any that could make it possible to disguise corpses as the unidentifiable corpses of the first twilight in the first GAME? Any that could make the identifiable corpses of the first twilight in game 1 'dead' from Nanjo's 'AUTOPSY'? As well as make the 'corpses' heads bloodied/bashed IN?
It is forbidden for unknown drugs or hard to understand scientific devices to be USED. It is forbidden for a character to disguise themselves as another without any CLUES.

>>4173400
What the fuck is this?

>>4173400

>>4173436
Seems to be Slayers, crossed over with Umineko, if I am not mistaken.

>>4173436
It looks like same chars with different hair colors/eye colors....???

>>4173445
/r/ MY GOLDEN WITCH? MORE LIKE DIE STUPID BITCH

>>4173462

>>4173400
Oh god, why u do this?

Hey guys, can I be a culprit now?

>>4173429
>Battler sees Kanon and Shannon together all of a sudden if his perspective is unreliable

You mean in Episode 5? I think it's based on what he said during the Tea Party. (Because Kinzo was declared dead at the start of all games in red.)

Using that premise, he recalls seeing Kinzo before finding the gold as Erika was working with some sort of device. So whatever he saw wasn't reliable. That being said, he wasn't the detective either, that's why Kanon and Shannon were always portrayed as two individuals in his presence.

>>4173513
Well what I mean is, if we ignore magic and all that shit, Battler all of a sudden is seeing Kanon and Shannon together, which doesn't make sense to me. I can understand him mistaking something for Kinzo in the height of his excitement. But if we were to see what really is happening in each episode, why is Battler seeing Kanon and Shannon together?

>>4173534
Or he knows about and acknowledges Shkanon as 2 different people.

>>4173534
No, he's SAYING he's seeing Kinzo. He's not ACTUALLY seeing Kinzo.

>>4173534
> I can understand him mistaking something for Kinzo in the height of his excitement

# No person would mistake Ushiromiya Kinzo by sight.
# No matter what the disguise, they would not mistake Ushiromiya Kinzo!

Battler used those two lines of red text to argue that his perspective was no more reliable than that of any other piece on the gameboard.

>>4173562
I know that his perspective is not reliable in Episode 5, I simply don't understand why it's become unreliable. I guess he must be in on whatever is going on.

>>4173607
Well, I think he's just trying to get the family not to fight over the money.

>>4173607
Because he isn't the detective for that Episode.
Erika is.

>>4173630
What he is saying, I think, is that what motive would Battler possibly have to hide Shkanon from us?

>>4173675
He hates Erika and wants to confuse her when she looks through his perspective.

>>4173507
Just go back to being the forgettable chubby cousin, George.

Even your yandere bullshit isn't enough to make you interesting.

>>4173732
Yeah, not buying that.
If Battler found out that Shannon and Kanon were the same, he'd tell Jessica and George, because they are both in love with one or the other.

>>4173770
They already know.

>>4173793
>they already know
.......Then how is the whole marriage thing gonna work? Does Jessica get it for one week, then George gets it for another?

>>4173793
Y'know, Shkanon is a dirty whore. Just saying.

>>4173804
George and Jessica are pretending to go out with the servants to hide the fact they are actually going out with each other.

>>4173816
>Implying anyone besides Eva would go out with George

>>4173821
>implying Eva would go out with George
As for Jessica: evil bitch(use him), confirm position as next head, and piss off family

>>4173821
EvaJessiShannontrice theory go!

>>4173840
Jessica is already first in line.

I must say, Ryukishi does a pretty good job of creating a mystery. This far into the story, and I can't be sure of who the culprits are, or the motives, or anything like that. Meanwhile And Then There Were None I could guess the culprit very early on.

>>4173848
First in line doesn't guarantee shit, especially with retarded parents that endanger that position.

>>4173872
It's actually very poorly done. He just performs asspulls at every opportunity, because of this unrealistic "meta-world" where he can create the rules as he goes along. If Shannon is Kanon, it will be a giant asspull, because Erika should have realized it.

If this was an actual mystery without that plot device, he'd be absolutely lost.

>>4173913
Trolling aside, I can't wait for a speech by her in which she points out how fucktarded her parents are while laughing.

>>4173916
I think he's done a pretty decent job. It's entertaining, the mystery is interesting.

Goodnight, /jp/ I must DEPART.

>>4173971
Those cocks will not suck themselves.

>>4173971
Have fun storming the castle, oh, and if you see Jessica, feel free to stab her to death!

>>4173916
>Novel about Mystery vs Fantasy
>ASSUMING IS A MYSTERY
There's your fucking problem. You're too retarded to realize that lying and covering stuff up is key to the fantasy part. Removing it would be as retarded as you are that would turn it into a boring run of the mill mystery novel.

>>4173998
>He still thinks it's Mystery vs Fantasy!

>>4174008
Well, to be fair, you are supposed to come up with mystery explanations. But no, the point is learning the truth, not beating the evil witch.

>>4173998
>Novel about Mystery vs Fantasy
Oh, I see to enjoy seacats you need to completely misunderstand the overarching plot, duly noted faggot.

>>4174028
On the other hand, can you really blame the guy?
I have seen 20 different opinions for the Umineko synopsis/

>>4174040
>I have seen 20 different opinions for the Umineko synopsis

The only completely accurate way to describe Umineko is to say it's a series about trolling.

Umineko in a nutshell: Shit happens. Oh, look, a fantasy scene. Note how Jessica is revived, and George isn't? That might mean that Jessica killed George.


It's not OH LETS COMPLETELY IGNORE THAT FANTASY SCENE, but rather, seeing the truth that fantasy scene reveals.

>>4174028
No, you have to understand that the fantasy part IS lies, that you have to sort through to find the clues for the mystery. Removal of those lies from the story would make it nothing more than a mystery novel. Any retard such as yourself who can't figure that out obviously can't enjoy seacats.

>>4174094
I prefer the term "embellishments on the truth".

>>4174094
>implying there is no truth in the fantasy scenes
You're trolling, right? Or do you really have to be this stupid to have no criticisms with this series?

>>4174140
I'm not saying there is no truth, only that is is hidden behind lies. You know something happened, but not in the way you are shown.