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Playing F/SN before Tsukihime?

That's odd.

Fate/Zero and Tsukihime should keep you away from here for another week.

Maybe by then you'll be versed enough to discuss it. See you then.

>>4146738
Disregarding your opinions:
F/HA is untranslated.
You will like it if you liked F/SN and it's characters, but it's a fandisc that compliments F/SN, not something to be judged stand-alone. Aka, do not expect something on the same scale.

>>4146738

Ataraxia is good but it is not already translated.
So read Tsukihime and Umineko. After that forget about VNs. There are no more good VNs.

>>4146738
>Also had the least convincing romance for me
Why so?
I felt it to be the most "normal" one.
>convincing romance
This actually implies that you felt as if their love wasn't for real or at least not that strong, am I wrong?

If you really felt as if their love wasn't strong then you must have really missed lots of things in UBW.

>>4146749
>Playing F/SN before Tsukihime?
>That's odd.

No, it's normal if you haven't played either yet. You play the newest release first because it's likely to be the most polished.

The only time you want to go in chronological order is if there is a continuous plot between them, which isn't the case here.

>>4146749
It just kinda happened. Mostly because some anon on /a/ made a "just watched F/sn" thread and among all the "Dude you shoulda read the VN" replies somebody posted a RS link with an English and Realta Nua patched version (it turns out the patch was an old as fuck version but whatever) so I picked it up for later use.

Wasn't aware ataraxia wasn't translated. Oh well.

It's cool hearing about someone playing FSN for the first time and remembering how it felt to play it originally. I originally liked Fate and saber the most as well. UBW and Rin have grown on me a lot though in retrospect.

In before jaded fucks and HERP DERP FATE IS THE WORST ROUTE!!!!11.

Fate route works best on its own and it's no surprise that's what they used for the animu. UBW's main contribution is that it explains what the fuck is up with Archer, who was left as a cipher in Fate. Basically, what the anime writers tried to do (use Fate as a base, but add bits from other routes to tie up loose ends) was the right idea, they just botched it.

HF is the most complete route, in that it explores every character fully (except Caster/Kuzuki) plus some that don't even exist in the other routes, and has the "biggest" ending. Its main problem is that Sakura just kind of sucks as a female lead and Shirou's obsession over her is poorly explained and reasoned. And if they're not going to go with the ;_;-inducing Cherry Blossom's Dream, the only ending option they have is the silly fanfic ending.

>>4146794
People always call it silly fanfic ending, but really, this the ending that I mostly expected and was built up by the plot(purpose of the grail, own happiness and people close to you) etc
I was really surprised by the normal ending.

>>4146767
You're right about it being "normal" (it was certainly the least naive), but yeah, I basically didn't feel convinced that Shirou was really as in love with Rin as he was with Saber in Fate, or, to be more specific, that it really built up from "Admiration, friendship" to "Being in love". I could well have just missed things, though, because I kind of felt the romance in that arc wasn't emphasized as much as the events of the plot in general.

I've already read the FSN but I never saw the animu.
Should I watch it after reading VN?

>>4146757
You should really go back to /a/, faggot.

Fate: A nice little love story, probably the best route overall.

UBW: Not so good because I fucking hate Rin and want to torture her forever. I suppose if you have to have a Rin route this isn't all that bad, but any Rin route that doesn't involve flaying her and roasting her on open flame is going to be a hard sell to me. Archer was neat though.

HF: Starts out promising, turns to shit near the halfway point when Shirou abandons any moral high ground he ever had for the sake of one psychotic, insane rape wagon sperm receptacle, stays as shit all the way to the end.

Extra Episode: Capped off the Fate route nicely and cleaned some of the sour taste UBW and HF left in my mouth.

When I played FSN I realised my stupdidy. Because I imagined that if I would on Shirou's place I would do what he did.

>>4146839
Long time no see, Guy who dislikes Rin.

>>4146843
No, you wouldn't.

>>4146794
My impression was more that of
Fate being some kind of introduction for the setting, and not much more than that even though it is somewhat neccesary in order to get a good feel of the setting.
UBW was the route I felt went in and explained the characters themselves the most and their motivations and reasoning regarding everything, it was also the route that explained Shirou himself the best.
HF was the route that went in and brought up and somewhat explained all the secrets and what went on in the shadows of the war, as it reveals the final pieces of the puzzle(s) it might be ocnsidered the most "revealing" route but I myself consider UBW to be the one that "painted" the most.

So in a way I could somewhat sum up my experience as this
If it was all a painting I could call
Fate to be the frame, somewhat neccessary to have
UBW to be the general picture
And HF to be the final pieces that wasn't present at first

>>4146847
>implying there's only one

>>4146854
Of course there are more, but this guy is quite distinctive.

I think GARncer is probably my favourite Servant overall after Saber.

Dude is a fucking bro.

I feel sorry for Assassin, though. The poor guy just couldn't catch a break.

Fate: Decent romance, a little bland though.

UBW: Worst romance, but the best themes and overall the most enjoyable. Shirou is at his best in this one.

HF: lolcooking & sickly Sakura shit + awesomeness in form of Archer Arm and Kotomine. Seriously, the route consists of amazing things and worst shit in the whole VN. It's like there is no middle ground.

There's no good romance in FSN.
There's absolutely no chemistry between Shirou and Saber or Sakura and the romance with Rin is really undeveloped.

>>4146835

Lol.
Mostly of VNs are shitty nukige which doesn't cost for reading it. You even never heard about them because nobody wants to translate it.
Type-moon, Umineko and few nice novells are just exceptions. Rare exceptions. And literary value of Nasu or Ryukishi's writings is a very debatable.

>>4146852

I would.
I will behave myself like scared little kid.

Step to step guide on how to make HF not suck:

1. Make Ilya the heroine.

Congratulations, the route doesn't suck anymore.

>>4146892
Are trying to say that Shirou was behaving like a scared little kid during the Grail War?

>>4146895
This.

Fate: Hey I knew all of this shit already, guess I shouldn't have spoiled the shit out of myself
UBW: Hey I knew all of this shit already, guess I shouldn't have spoil- Winter Forest bawwww
HF: Enough of this shit I'm going back to reading spoilers.

>>4146902

Yes.
Especially in beginning.

>>4146908

Your life must be a sad one.

Tsukihime is great, just know it is a bit dated graphics wise and had a lowish budget (don't expect the same effects as in F/SN).
>Where to go from here, /jp/? I don't think I'll let myself get too into the VN scene too much since this consumed my life for the past week, but I should probably check out Tsukihime.

I would also suggest checking out Planetarian in the near future, as it is only 3 hours long but is quite good. Just be sure to play it in one sitting.

Saya no Uta, True Rememberence, and Narcissu are also all good but short

Just be aware that there are a number of games that are up there with F/SN (better, equal, or just below, depending on one's taste), so you very well might end up consuming much of your time for a while if you start getting into a number of VNs. Umineko is awesome, with 5 of it's 8 VNs translated (though only 6 of the 8 released in Japan). This very well might end up being the longest story in terms of script length ever told by the time it is done. Cross Channel, Sharin no Kuni, Ever17 -the out of infinity-, Yume Miru Kusuri, Clannad, and Kira Kira are some examples of some of the best long games, though there are far more translated very good VNs. One particular warning, if you try Sengoku Rance, an outstanding eroge/strategy RPG, you WILL lose weeks of your life, since it is very very addicting.

>>4146839
>Extra Episode
wut

Tsukihime is great, just know it is a bit dated graphics wise and had a lowish budget (don't expect the same effects as in F/SN).
>Where to go from here, /jp/? I don't think I'll let myself get too into the VN scene too much since this consumed my life for the past week, but I should probably check out Tsukihime.

I would also suggest checking out Planetarian in the near future, as it is only 3 hours long but is quite good. Just be sure to play it in one sitting.

Saya no Uta, True Rememberence, and Narcissu are also all good but short

Just be aware that there are a number of games that are up there with F/SN (better, equal, or just below, depending on one's taste), so you very well might end up consuming much of your time for a while if you start getting into a number of VNs. Umineko is awesome, with 5 of it's 8 VNs translated (though only 6 of the 8 released in Japan). This very well might end up being one of the longest stories in terms of script length ever told by the time it is done. Cross Channel, Sharin no Kuni, Ever17 -the out of infinity-, Yume Miru Kusuri, Clannad, and Kira Kira are some examples of some of the best long games, though there are far more translated very good VNs. One particular warning, if you try Sengoku Rance, an outstanding eroge/strategy RPG, you WILL lose weeks of your life, since it is very very addicting.

>>4146917
Shirou acted nothing like a scared kid. He was the exact opposite, he went recklessly into the dangerous situations without worrying about his own well being in the slightest.

>>4146939
Realta Nua's Last Episode, I'm guessing.

>>4146922
Why waste hours playing the game when the same knowledge can be gained via spoilers? It's not like I'm playing the game to enjoy it.

>>4146939

A short non-interactive bit that happens after Fate, unlocked when you have completed all the routes, added in the PS2 port, an unofficial Realta Nua patch adds it to the PC version. Highly recommended.

>>4146954
You won;t get the same knowledge and the purpose of reading it is enjoyment.
Otherwise, you waste your time in a sad way.

>>4146955

I shall check this out, I'm assuming it's kinda like the final little story in Tsukihime.

>>4146963
I'm guessing he was being sarcastic.

>>4146971
He fails at it then.

Did anyone else like the UBW True ending the best? It felt like it had the most closure. All the other "real" endings went back to the status quo for the most part, but in UBW true it felt like Shirou was finally moving on to other things instead of just sitting at home cooking.

>>4146816
Sure it might not have been emphasised as much but it was all there present in the story none the less.
It might had started out as simple admiration but just like Shirou said himself, when he started to talk with Rin and later got to know her it became much much more than that.
Saber's introduction was the same in a way, that also started with him being struck with a strong feeling of admiration just like that.
When Shirou got to know Rin better he actually saw right through her exterior and all her different masks that she puts on in public.It became quite clear that Shirou knew exactly how RIn felt event houghs he herself wasn't even honest with her self at times, and he grew to love her fully

True in Fate he truly did love Saber for real, he loved all the different heroines for real in their respective routes, in Fate however he was connected with Saber directly through the Master/Servant connection and later he grew to learn pretty much everything about Saber though he still couldn't accept her having lived the life she led without having a chance to experience normal happiness. Not untill later in the route was he finally convinced that the life she led hadn't been a bad one and that it in fact was a life to be proud of, and neither of them found it proper to cheat death anymore than what had already been done, considering how her life in a sense was already over anyway.

>>4147025
Now I know that it was true love in both routes but sometimes I actually do feel that a major part of Shirou's love for Saber in Fate was actually obsession over how her life was over without the chance of knowing a normal girl's happiness as opposed to getting to know the girl and loving her for what she is, the life she led, the life she lives and the life she aspired to live as with Rin in UBW. Sure I know that Shirou loved Saber for what she was as well but even so I can't say that the romance in UBW was any weaker than in Fate.
I still consider Sakura to be the relationship most true with Shirou considering how they had already known eachother for a long time etc etc even though I personally prefer Rin

>>4146947

Main reason to play Tsukihime IMO is that after that you can play Kagetsu Tohya, which I liked the best out of the translated Type-Moon stuff.

I like KT because it allows the player to really "play" with it, just pick options at reckless abandon instead of crashing into a dead end every two seconds and having to reload. It's also much nicer looking than Tsukihime, with the friendlier font and slightly better art.

It's short though, don't expect to spend more than two evenings unlocking everything in it.

>>4147025
I basically agree with most of that, I think it's just that the relationship with Rin felt more like close friendship than a romantic relationship in context. In retrospect I think that if I experienced it by itself I would've found it to be more romantic, but after the Saber relationship it came across differently (not necessarily worse, since Shirou was certainly annoying at times with his "Baaaw girls can't fight" mentality in the first half of Fate).

>>4147062
Adding to this after reading this
>>4147029
Actually in retrospect I did also like the relationship Shirou had with Saber in UBW. Despite this I don't know how I feel about the Good End, since while it's certainly nice that they can all stay together, it doesn't really fit thematically ("you can't save everyone", though I suppose he couldn't save Ilya).

Ah, actually, something just occurred to me. I think a contributing factor to my seeing Saber as being the most natural heroine is that the story seemed to focus on her from the start for Shirou, since it was her appearance that really kicked things off. Simple narrative circularity.

Tsukime, Umineko, Ever17 then anything else.

>>4147017
I also felt that.
They both grew, found love and then moved on with their lives towards the future together.
I know that growth is in a way a theme in f/sn with Fate,UBW and HF being somewhat Childish, Older and Mature in that order, and I think that I agree with that myself.
In Fate he was preassured with his past which only strengthened the strength of his naive ideals.
In UBW he was preassured with his own future and what he aspired to become and how he wanted to grow forcing him to throughoutly think some things through fully.
In HF he was preassured with choices he never wanted to have to make, and I guess that I can agree on this being the most mature. Taking on the toughest decisions one have to make and walk them through is mature in itself and allows growth and I think that this made him grow more in HF than in the other routes.

Taking on decisions one doesn't want to have to make might be mature when neccessary, but when not it might in fact be the best not having to decide as there most likely is a reason for why one never wanted to be put in that position in the first place, having to chose between the lives of loved ones and the lives of many is not a choice one should have to make, and considering this I also feel as if UBW is a lot happier than HF in some ways.
Either way, while Shirou may have grown the most in HF I also felt as if UBW showed the most promise of growth.

>>4147123
>preassured

I just checked the Collins Dictionary, that isn't a word.

>>4147141
Perhaps he meant 'pressured'

>>4147034
>It's short though, don't expect to spend more than two evenings unlocking everything in it.

Depending on how fast may you understand what you are supposed to do. Or use the flowchart

>>4147152

I'd say it's a lot easier to just beat the game than figure out that chart.

Kagetsu Tohya Walkthrough, the original website where this was disappeared a while ago, but this is a back up of it.

http://www.mediafire.com/?noymqxu0vmd

>Ah, actually, something just occurred to me. I think a contributing factor to my seeing Saber as being the most natural heroine is that the story seemed to focus on her from the start for Shirou, since it was her appearance that really kicked things off. Simple narrative circularity.
I actually think this was the case with many people

>>4147180

Nice Spanish.

>>4147201
>a day (1)

>4. To Inui’s House!?

>2. Go to the tea ceremony room and share senpai's lunch!

>2. No, he'll attend the lesson properly.

>1. Go and take a look in the tea room.

>3. Talk with Hisui.

>2. The vision of the ends of the world.

>Repeat again...

Looks English to me.

I really don't get all the hate that Heavens Feel gets. All the complaints I ever hear are "there isn't enough action to keep my interest"or "Sakura is a slut for being raped, and having urges she can't control". Cooking is present in every route faggots, if you can't get past that why even play the game?

>>4147312
Popular opinion. /jp/ is particularly receptive to it. Just look at sharin.

>>4147312
The thing I liked the least about HF was that I found it to be the most overall depressing.
I still place it second place tough.

Though I agree that many seems to hack on it for the wrong reasons, perhapsI don't relate tot heir reasons enough or something.

>>4147312
Yeah, the sick-Sakura time is made up for by the finale, but some people don't seem to like the second half either.

Maybe people just feel Sakura's development was contrived, which would be a legitimate complaint, at least, but I still wouldn't agree with it.

Also I, uh, kind of liked the cooking bits.
Needed Taiga route.

>>4147329
The people who find HF depressing should really play Tsukihime. Almost every fucking ending;_;

>>4147312
I felt that that the execution was subpar in this route, that's all.
Some good ideas, but be it the pacing, the development of Shirou or Sakura or all the exposition bits could have been done a lot better.

>>4147327
What about Sharin?
I thought most everyone agreed that it was amazing?

>>4147351
My point exactly.

>>4147351
lolno

>>4147344
I played Tsukihime before f/sn you know, the whole thing.
Then again it was all relative, it's not as if I can't read depressing stories.

But I actually do find some things about HF to be more depressing than Tsukihime even though Tsukihime is more depressing overall.

>>4147333

See, all the things like the picture you posted just made me want to kill Sakura myself, not protect her at the implied cost of EVERYTHING ON THE PLANET.

HF was the route where Shirou degraded from a fuck-stupid but good-hearted idealist to a fuck-stupid accessory to murder, and Sakura from an adorable damsel in distress to, well, something not very adorable at all. And at no point in it did anyone even consider sitting down with all the magicians that were friendly with them at the time and just trying to come up with a solution other than "kill sakura" or "protect sakura, let everybody else die". Like for example attempt to use the grail itself to cure what's ailing her, maybe that wouldn't have worked but nobody even suggested that pathetically obvious idea.

It just pissed me off.

>>4147364
Well, Sakuras back story is pretty similar to Kohakus, but not as sad. At least Sakura was allowed to try to live a normal life.

I don't see why people care about development between Shirou and Sakura. HF was more the Kotomine route than the Sakura route. She was just there for Shirou's development, who cares about her?

>>4147373
They way you interpret the characters and situation is a bit shallow.
And considering the grail, when the problems with Sakura became clear, they also knew the grail is the issue by itself.

>>4147373

If I recall, the elements of the grail were tainted, so that wouldn't had been any help.

>>4147373
How was using the grail an obvious idea? Heavens Feel was about Sakura becoming the host for Angra Mainyu, who if you don't remember, basically was the holy grail.

>>4147373
>Like for example attempt to use the grail itself to cure what's ailing her, maybe that wouldn't have worked but nobody even suggested that pathetically obvious idea.

I am pretty positive that exactly that was considered as the only viable solution for a fair bit.

>>4147312
I don't buy into the "Sakura is a slut" mentality, but I do regret that the most mindfucking route was spearheaded by (in my opinion) the weakest and least likable female character in the game.

A near-perfect route for me would have been the basic story of Heaven's Feel with Rin taking up the mantle of the romantic interest instead--not overwriting her role as the dark shadow/Dark Sakura, but just taking over as the love interest. Shirou's idiotic and unceremonious abandonment of his much-prized morals for Sakura's sake would have been more compelling to me had they maintained a strong sort of sister-brother relationship rather than a sexual one. The over-sexualization in HF (especially compared to UBW, which had, what, a whopping one sex scene?) actually contributed to the "meh" factor for me.

HF was also significantly lacking in GAR compared to UBW, but that's beside the point.

>>4147344

God fucking dammit Akiha Normal was sad ;_;

How would guy rate FSN and how does it rank compared to the others VNs you played?

It almost always feel like those who talk about it either think it's the most amazing shit ever or think it was mediocre.

>>4147401

It was the best VN I have played, and it was mediocre.

I don't like VNs much in general.

>>4147401
I thought it was a good story overall, but found Tsukihime to be much better. The main reason it gets praised as much as it does is because it tends to be My First VN, and most of the readers don't delve deeper into visual novels.

>>4147401
The VN itself is great, Nasu isn't the best writer but the VN as a whole is good.
/jp/ just got tired from it due to it havingbeen one of the earlier ones to be translated, thus it has been discussed a lot when there weren't that many other VNs to discuss, leaving it to be almost the only thing discussed at times other than the regular Touhou etc, and of course Tsuki but it's still TM.
Nowadays I can really understand how some of the talk about it can make it all seem really retarded in newfriends' eyes, with all the powerlevel discussions, Protag is a retard, and all females are sluts things.
Sure it might come of as obvious trolls, but even so.

>>4147401
Maybe like my fourth favorite. And I've played just about every translated VN that isn't a nukige or hour-long doujin game.

Am I the only one who thinks Rin shines more outside her own route?

>>4147438

I did sort of like her in Fate. The prologue, where she's arguably at her best, was fresh in my mind, and since I knew she wasn't the "target" in that route there was no pressing need for her to fall head-over-heels for the point-of-view character. I could deal with her being cold because I assumed that was just so that she wouldn't steal the show from Saber and things would change in her own route.

Also, her contribution to the threesome in ruins was fuckhot, so I was looking forward to UBW.

Then her own route comes and she acts exactly the same as she did in Fate, cold, bossy and condescending, rarely showing even a glimpse of the same humanity she did in the prologue. Alright, I thought, let's imagine this is the Archer route then, but it didn't get much better that way, the route only served to eat away any goodwill I had built up for Rin. The dropkick to the balls was the "good" ending that frankly wasn't very fucking good at all, it just made me depressed that Shirou would have to spend the rest of his life with that horrible harpy or otherwise he would indirectly kill Saber.

>>4147438
I can agree with that. She got the most development in HF if you ask me. Also, you can't deny that her fight against Sakura was awesome.

>>4147454
>cold, bossy and condescending, rarely showing even a glimpse of the same humanity she did in the prologue.

Oooook.

>>4147460
I can, it was repetitive and shitty.

>>4147454
>rarely showing even a glimpse of the same humanity she did in the prologue

Yeah, it's not like she risked her life to save a guy who most certainly would have raped her had Lancer not interfered or anything.

>>4147474

That was stupidity, not humanity. Related things, but different.

>>4147479

It makes sense Rin would save Shinji though, because they're almost the same character.

>>4147481
Sure.

Rin saving Shinji is pretty hilarious though, because it basically means she showed the same level of kindness to a borderline crazy, openly malicious rapist and killer as he did to the man that has been nothing but kind to her and who she was supposedly in love with.

Bitches and whores, all of them.

Rin is best in F/HA.

>>4147454
You really missed her different layers and acts that she puts up, right?
And the very reason for why she could be considered a tsundere?
Of course she wouldn't act the same as in the prologue, in the prologue she was alone, in Fate she was with an ally Master, and in UBW she was with a guy, that happened to be her ally and well in HF there was Sakura, so of course she wouldn't act the same.

>>4147474
I still don't understand why she went that far to save Shinji. Was it supposed to be a grand reflection of how much Shirou's high moral standards had changed her or something? I can't believe she would have done so without his influence.

>>4147489
She didn't really give a shit about Shinji, but she ended up pitying him for being treated like a useless sack of shit by his family for most of his life.

>>4147490
Her h-scene is so daawwwwww

>>4147498
>You really missed her different layers and acts that she puts up, right?

There is a fine line between reading under the surface and plain making shit up, and Rin being anything but a cold bitch is way on the "make shit up" side of that line. I don't feel the need to be a fanfag and start interpreting every little thing as hidden this and symbolic that just to excuse her behaviour.

And let's not pretend there's anything DEEP to this, it's Nasu we're talking about. He would not include anything even semi-important in his novels without repeating it six times and underlining it twice.

>>4147490
She doesn't do anything in F/ha.
It makes sense.

>>4147535
In UBW it was brought up little by little on a few occasions.
Shirou noticed how she put on a strong and courageous act as a master, when Rider drained the life out of everyone at school.
He also noticed how she put on a cold act as a magus in general.
Duty and heritage and so on was also brought up.
And her real oppinions and feelings that was still present besides this, it was all brought up, its more like your own foult to have missed everything.
You don't have to be a "fanfag" to not miss stuff like that.

>>4147595
She does in the side-scenes.

>>4147501
The reason she went to save Shinji because Shirou and Sakura cared for him.

And to have Archer heroically show up and save her and the rest of the day as well.

Route wise I liked UBW the best. The conflict between Archer and Shirou was neat, but way overhanded. It's a very cool idea, but it could have been handled a lot better. However, I did like Archer giving up in the fight as he saw his younger self's dreams and ideals shoved back into his face again.

Also, the romance between Shirou and Rin seemed more realistic between two teenagers. It was more of a love story between a teenage boy and girl that was slowly developing realistically than his infatuation with Saber or the already there feelings he had for Sakura.

Also, their H scene was out of place. It was way too soon in their relationship for them to be bumping uglies.

And I never got the good end in UBW because I know it would have made me rage. We get hit over the head with Archer's plight and the guy deserves to be saved, but he can't. Yet Miss Perfect Saber gets a fucking threesome with Rin and Shirou?

THEN you get the Answer in the end of UBW True where it basically states that Archer in the throne will not remember that he got his answer.

Fuck you, Nasu. Fuck you.

>>4147535
I believe it was quite clear in HF even though there were more details in her own route.
She admitted that she truly loved her sister, yet she acted as what should be expected as a magus, and as the head of the Tohsaka family on top of that and coldy killed her in the majorityof the endings.
Her love for her wasn't false, yet she acted cold.

We already discussed it to death, but powerlevel-fans still love to keep arguing about every day.

>>4147638
You know what I just realized . . .

I'd love to see a Joss Whedon version of FSN.

>>4147678
You should become a tripfag so that I could hate you even more.

You know what I love most about FSN, the fandom.

Doujins, fan art, fanfics . . . sometimes they turn out to be better than the original product. Like the House Husband stories that have Archer back in the 4th War protecting Loli Sakura and Loli Rin. It's adorable, funny, GAR and . . . utterly heartbreaking.

>>4147678

Why, to see how much worse it could be?

It has suddenly occurred to me that there is no way Shirou could've killed Dark Berserker 9 times in HF with Archer's grafted on arm if the real Archer could only manage 6 in Fate.

Goddammit Nasu.

>>4147678
>I'd love to see a Joss Whedon version of FSN.

Unlimited Blade Works...

... IN SPACE!

>>4147720
>POWERLEVELS

>>4147637
>It was way too soon in their relationship for them to be bumping uglies.
I somehow thought that as well, it was a bit soon, right?
But I have also thought about how she actually knew Archer really well, especially considering their master/servant connection. While Shirou was the one that she loved and Archer having the traits she found most attractive about Shirou I still think that she had some extra confidense in Shirou thanks to Archer.
Sure Shirou and Archer really aren't the same person and Rin herself did act towards Shirou as if he was a different person, but I believe that she got to know Shirou faster than how one usually get to know someone by sorting out the differences between Archer and Shirou.
Archer and Shirou still shared many different aspects for obvious reasons, finding out which of those aspects that are true for Shirou and which aren't must cerinaly have been a lot easier than getting to know someone from scratch.

I agree that it might have been a bit soon though, but I guess that I can accept it either way.
Archer's very existence confirmed that Shirou was for real, and combined with how they actually did love eachother(even if it may have been a bit early to progress to such a stage) and how it actually was the method giving them the highest chance of survival.
I can guess that something like this might have floated through her mind.
-I like him and he likes me
-I know that's he's for real and that's he's a trustworthy and reliable guy
-This might give us the highest chance of survival
And then again, it was more like that one time, it's not like as if they went straight into a sexual relationship stage after that, and she also knew that it wouldn't wreck their current relationship to do so.
When I think about that I believe that I find it more acceptable.

>>4147720
Well, you gotta remember Ilya was around when Archer was fighting Berserker and Archa loves his Ilya. He was probably having to tone himself down a lot so he wouldn't blow her up.

And another thing with Archer's arm, Shirou was able to be Dark Saber with his ultimate technique.

So, is Archer actually a better swordsman than Saber, but Saber just has ungoldy power and EXCALUBUR to back her up to make up for the difference?

>>4147720
I believe that Dark Berserker had a lot less lives than 12, perhaps just 1 and either way Dark Berserker was blind and general shit.(while still being extremely dangerous)

>>4147720
Nine Lives Blade Works is sort of a DO NOT TRACE THIS WAY sort of usage. He brought out Berserker's "The Shooting Hundred Heads" activation through Berserker's own weapon and sort of mutated a usage for it to create multiple strikes that hit all at once (godspeed) via using Archer's projection circuit at maximum.

It fucked him up pretty badly to use it. Archer probably would've felt some severe pain, too.

>>4147761
Well, it's basically Nine Lives' activation, Berserker's bow, but functions more like The Shooting Hundred Heads.

Really fast strikes.

>>4147740
I don't want this to derail into powerlevels but hey
Most NPs are moves of certain kill anyway, something possitive about Kanshou/Bakuya is that they look as complete shit at first glance yet having a hidden abillity to fly towards the other and then being able to increase a whole rank as overedge, going from a shitty NP to a NP with a rank over A and hidden abillities. And Dark Saber also lacked the near precognitive powers of regular Saber.
Powerlevel Discussions should now end.
I shouldn't have replied at all, shouldn't I?

>>4147720
Shirou surpassed Archer?

>>4147788
Yeah, it's not like that was the entire point of the scene or anything.

>>4147736
That actually made the Rin romance more real. It felt exactly as a relationship should, after only really closely knowing each other through two weeks. The sex scene was awkward, which makes sense given that they were really only doing it so that they could NOT DIE. They weren't actually ready for it. Similar to Saber's 3some scene (except that was more hot than awkward).

>>4147761
>>4147768
where does this shooting hundred heads info comes from btw? i read something like this before but cannot remember source.

>>4147777
But Shirou can't use Overedge, as he's not Archer. Also, there's no way Overedge K&B are rank A. They're only rank C- normally.

>>4147788
More like he said "Fuck it, I'm going to go brain dead anyway. What's a little overwhelming suffering stacked onto that?" and threw Archer's arm's projection circuit to 11.

>>4147823
It's one of Berserker's supers in Unlimited Codes. It's basically Berserker doing the same thing that Shirou does with Nine Lives, except a godawful number of times.

Berserker's real activation of Nine Lives would be nine sure-fire consecutive lasers or some shit from his bow. What he used to kill the hydra with.

>>4147816
Well, the fact that there was lots and lots of things going on all the time was basically the reason for why I might have even thought that it might have been too soon in the sense of "What if they didn't really know eachother well enough, due to the war?" for it to even be a valid option.
But yes I did feel that it made it seem more real, and I liked how it was awkward and how it was too soon and so on.

>>4147836
oh well.. unlimited codes seems to have some nice background info like this. maybe i should get a quad core for ps simulation gaymin.

>>4147873
I've got a pretty nice computer (IT CAN RUN CRYSIS ON MAX SETTINGS) and the PS2 emu I have still chugs along occasionally.

The emulators right now are all shitty, unless I just haven't optimized it correctly.

>>4147836
Even though it goes against the mythology, I like one retelling of the Hercules' Second Labor where, rather than cutting off its heads and cauterizing its necks stumps until there is but one immortal head, they drowned it.

>>4147945
>drown a water beast

No, sir, I don't like it.

Saber has always been the most respectable and interesting heroine to me.
I just couldn't become emotionally invested in Sakura and Rin, they seemed so contrived and plain.
At least Saber didn't blame other people or take it out on others. She honestly fought for her country and lead her entire life like that. Loyal until the end.

>>4147830
I was under the impression that it was B so yeah

>>4147964
Yes and then "BAAAAAAAAW MY COUNTRY IS FUCKED TIME TO ALTER HISTORY SINCE I DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THE GUILT".

Saber is my favorite too, but she isn't a perfect fairy princess.

>>4147964
Well Sakura is Sakura, but who did Rin ever blame? And for umm... what?

But something that I can't consider respectable about Saber is her whole "I want to redo things so that I won't even be king, cause what I did wasn't good enough"
I guess I can pity her but not really respect her.
Imagine yourself and a bunch of other people devoting their entire lives for the king that you and they deemed good, and then He(she) later after you are dead goes all like "No sorry it wasn't good enough, lets redo it all I shouldn't have been king, your services wasn't neccessary", sure that might be out of goodwill but isn't that a true example of betrayal of trust?

>>4148035
She didn't think she deserved their trust, so she betrayed them already. She was trying to undo the betrayal, since she failed completely, by letting someone better draw the sword in the stone.

>>4147957
It's not inconceivable. You can drown fish.

>>4148053
>She didn't think she deserved their trust, so she betrayed them already
Yeah I did get that, but that doesn't mean that actually redoing it wouldn't be even more so a betrayal, does it?

Even if she didn't care about them at all and thought of them as nothing(just a what-if scenario) redoing would still in a way erase all their efforts.

>>4148105
Saber was brought down by the guilt of the failure of her actions, and she could only blame herself. Rather than have her country in ruins, her people dying and in crisis, she would have rather had someone more qualified to rule to lead her people to greatness and a good life. Even though she lead a good life herself, if her people were suffering, what kind of life was it after all? She wanted to erase the pain and suffering of her country, and quietly leave the stage.

>>4148105
She wasn't concerned with whether or not she gave the best effort she could, and whether or not her countrymen did the same. She was concerned with the fact that none of it amounted to beans, and that everything went up in fire, with her having to kill her own subjects.

Saber's guilt blinds her, making her unable to appreciate what she tried to do. She's so much like Shirou it's scary.

>>4148155
Well yeah, as I said she wanted to do it out of good will but it still doesn't change the fact that she was accepted and praised by many and that they worked hard for her.

And even if she did redo things there was no guarantee that things would have become "better", she just assumed that almost anyone else could have done a bettr job than her or something.

As she did it out of good will I couldn't really think that bad of her because of it, though I can't respect her for it either and in fact I pitied her for it.

What makes Tsukihime better than FSN is the atsmosphere, you can feel the danger , the drama, the mindfuck.The music does a better job to add to the atmosphere than FSN.The characters interactions are so superior to the character interactions of FSN that it hurts,and the slice of life segments and Shirou's Pov are fucking annoying.FSN plot is too forced at times, some times they lead to plot holes,weak plot or unexplainable developments.Tsukihime's plot flows better, it's simple and credible..
Tsukihime's plot is also more mature, each resolution have more weight to them 1) Arc and Shiki didn't end up in good terms in Ciel's True End, 2) After every single of the Far Side of the Moon routes, Arc and Ciel will keep hunting Roa, 3) Akiha ends up as a doll in one ending, 4) Akiha and Kohaku die in another end, 5) Hisui's Good End wasn't precisely happy. In F/sn, only 2 characters couldn't be saved: 1) Ilya in UBW, 2) Saber and Ilya in HF.
Shirou never actually shows his resolve when it comes to deal with people who are prepared to kill,and the story does not have serious and mature Masters - aside from Zōken-and the only time Shirou had to confront one of his friends, was in HF against Black Saber. Shiki, on the other hand, had to fight Arc, Ciel, Akiha, and Satsuki at some point - there's also the point when he realises all what Kohaku has been doing.
FSN is just too light and aimed at teenagers. That why the dark and cold as ice Tsukihime is superior.

>>4148316
I love you, F/SN vs. Tsukihime copypasta.

Don't ever change, bro.

>>4146870

>>4148316
I dont know about music, I find Tsukihime's music really....limited. I had to take other game's bgm just to play this vn right.

>>4148316

>>4148442
Replace it with the music from F/SN.

F/SN needed a Caster route

>>4148465
The soundtrack of FSN is mediocre.

>>4148465
Umineko's soundtrack did the job pretty well for Tsukihime.

>>4148470
It's not mediocre, for the most part. It has some really nice tracks.

Tsuioku no Kanata would be decent for that one track from Tsukihime I can't recall.

>>4148479

Plan on replaying it and throwing Unimeko BGM in someday. Tracks with Death would be fucking awesome for Nanaya vs. Nero and Mirage Coordinator for anytime Shiki is trippin' balls.

>>4148442
Uh, really? I find Tsukihime's soundtrack better than Fate's.
You can try replacing it with Umineko's soundtrack

>>4148511
I remember when half of /jp/ thought this would be an amazing idea.
But as soon as I made a pack with tracks, everyone started screaming it was 'unethical' to change an artist's work.

9th day: Superhero

BEST END or BESTEST END?

>>4148556
You should make the pack, anyway. I'd love to hear your compilation in action.

>>4148519
hahaha owow
FSN is still one of the best. Umineko can't even compute with the level of awesome of FSN. Period.

Fate: Good intro, just as expected for the first arc

UBW: Best humor and main story, worst normal and good endings, that fucking bar

HF: Best major scenes, best endings (bad, good and normal), somewhat dragging main story, that fucking bar again, ohohohohoho

Fate is the most boring VN I've ever played, I couldn't get more than 2 hours into it because the writer thought it'd be so interesting to explain how every little power in the story works.

I have this power and I can do this because it works like this, but I can't do it if my enemy has this power, I can only use this 3 times because there's a a strict limit on everyone because that's how it is and this guy has this power and hes stronger than this guy and this this and this and this and this.

Worst VN ever.

Oddly enough, I liked saber more on UBW then on Fate.

>>4148664
While it's probably a troll post, I agree that Nasu really should work on his exposition shit.
There's good way to explain a setting in an intricate way, FSN though did it in a very lazy way.

>>4148664
It's like you never even played it!

Oh, you didn't?

>>4147720

1) Dark Berserker is cannoncially weaker than normal Berserker, which doesn't make sense when Dark Saber is stronger than Saber. I can understand the loss of senses being a hindrance but would have figured Dark Berserker has a stronger defense than normal Berserker since that's what occurs to Dark Saber. It's possible that since his body was being torn to shreds from Dark Saber that it never fully healed but it'd be safer to say Deus Ex Machina.

2) Archer had to deal with Berserker AND Ilya as enemies. Shirou only had Dark Berserker.

3) Shirou would have died against Dark Berserker if not for Ilya's intervention, even though Dark Berserker couldn't see her.

>>4148590
Well actually, it's still up.
http://www.4shared.com/get/122726782/771263a2/Tsukihime__with_Umineko_soundt.html

>>4148707
>It's possible that since his body was being torn to shreds from Dark Saber that it never fully healed but it'd be safer to say Deus Ex Machina.

This is exactly why Dark Berserker was weaker. His body was thrashed to death and he was basically rotting. He was a dead corpse that was still moving through grail corruption and the desire to see that his loli survived.

>>4148707
But Dark Saber is weaker, she just had infinite fuel or something like that.

I wonder if anyone will take on the translation of Tsukihime remake.

>>4148766
Wouldn't it be easier to just port the new sprites, backgrounds and music?
That way they would only have to translate the Sacchin route.

>>4148766
Somebody will.

>>4148754
She has more raw power corrupted, but it did have drawbacks.

>>4148754
>No, dark saber is the most powerful encarnation of arturia.

>>4148775
It'd be easier to just move the translation over to the remake.

Since it'll probably be in 800x600. And not Onscripter.

>>4148736
Downloading for curiosity, thanks anon.

try Utawarerumono, it's universally liked and has an English and voice patch
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4TQSYOBE
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LSEM4RKW
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RMWHRD86
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Q0RSS147
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0OB2C52H
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BONUYDC6
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MGJREGC0
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=96YC61LQ
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YZUYRWT0
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FE9TNWAE
http://erogedownload.com/downloads/addons/56-utawarerumono-voice-patch.html

But Underwater Ray Romano is boring shit

>>4148843
Shouldn't be a big change compared to FSN then.

>>4148819 not Onscripter
Still makes me a bit sad that no one uses nscripter anymore (Mostly because I don't use windows and hate wine).
I wonder if that new version of KiriKiri will ever come out.

>>4148843
so we meet again my nemesis, didn't get enough last thread I see but enough talk have at you.

>>4148832
>>4148843
>>4148875

Deja vu?

Tsukihime is awful. Trying to fap to that is like trying to fap to your grandmother.

>>4149019
Hello, rehash troll. Why are you so rehash?

>>4149034

>>4147333
>Taiga route

You mean Caster route

>>4149071

>>4148998
you see every thread he comes but the good guys (me) always win.

>>4149084
Not sure if want. On one hand, she's the sexiest servant; on the other hand, she might kill you.

>>4149115
She'd only kill you if you were nasty to her


...Probably

I know this is like 100 posts ago but...

>HF was the route where Shirou degraded from a fuck-stupid but good-hearted idealist to a fuck-stupid accessory to murder

He is an accessory to murder in both cases.

>>4149141
I'M HERO OF JUSTICE
SON OF A BITCH SERVANT
SERVANT IS PIG
DO YOU WANT HONOR?
DO YOU WANT GLORY?
SERVANT IS PIG DISGUSTING
KING ARTHUR PENDRAGON IS A MURDERER
FUCKING HEROIC SPIRITS

>>4149043
I don't think you understand what the word you are using means~

>>4149141
No, he's a hero in one, and an accessory to murder in another.

You don't get to choose which one you think is which.

I'd her ears