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>>4140472
Sure.

Eh, maybe C rank or lower.

>>4140472
I understand he has defense, but what about offense?

>>4140494
He can just waltz up to them and clock them in the face with his fist.

>>4140503
And that does what?

>>4140503
Like Shirou just walks up and hits them with his kendo stick or chair leg.
Foolproof.

>>4140503
>Implying a human could just waltz right up to a servant.

>>4140510
phantoms and magical beings disappear, no matter how, they were summoned

>>4140514
One does not simply waltz right up to Servants?

>>4140514
All of them are close range fighters except for Archer and Caster and their weapons are made by magic too so if he touches them they'd dissapear leaving the servants unarmed.

Isn't Touma's power anti-magic power itself?

Touma can kill Umineko.

>>4140519
What about Archer and Saber?

>>4140525

Well, except it wouldn't work on Saber and Lancer as well as Assassin are faster than any human ever.

Rider, well, she can Medusa at him.

Berserker? Berserker? Really? Berserker?
That axe-sword takes off heads when it MISSES. Ordinary humans are pretty much killed by pressure alone.

>>4140525
Unless your idea of closed range consists of one standing immobile waiting to be punched, something is iffy.

>>4140538

Argh I need commas.

>except it wouldn't work on Saber, and Lancer as well as Assassin are faster than any human ever.

Not to mention his fist will go through any magical defense.

>>4140525
As if servants were mysteriously unable to just skewer you with a pebble found on the ground.

>>4140472
They got bored of this thread on /a/?

>>4140543

Hoo boy.

And then what, you punch King Arthur to death?

No, King Arther punches you to death and rips your head off and throws it off a cliff.

Technically Gilgamesh has a living body too, so antimagic wouldn't negate his existence either. And GILGAMESH OF YON LEGENDE is famous for his wrestling skills, so that's out too.

>>4140547
I think Touma can cancel objects that were accelerated by magic.

>>4140566
Infamous Railgun manga paradox.
Also, pure physical strength.

Bern can kill everything.

Discuss.

>>4140538
It can't be that hard to touch them once. Berserker would probably ignore him as he would think that Touma isn't a threat. Saber doesn't kill humans and Lancer's lance can be avoided if Touma shields his heart with his right hand but that would only be so if he had prior knowledge. Dunno what would happen against Assassin but he'd probably be killed.

>>4140566

Then the universe breaks because everything in the Nasuverse has its origin in Akasha, a decisively magical thingamajig.

>>4140560
he can cancelae the magic giving him a real body

>>4140551

Their input isn't as authoritative as /jp/'s.

>>4140560

King Arthur is just someone who all of his powers comes from the Excalibur. Until he even possessed the Excalibur even a lowly knight was stronger than him.

>>4140576
Has she ever killed anything?

>>4140582
>>4140577
Sure man, whatever.

>>4140577

>Berserker would probably ignore him as he would think that Touma isn't a threat.

Berserker DOES NOT IGNORE ANYTHING. He's insane. He smashes pyuuny hyuuman.

>Saber doesn't kill humans

King Arthur killed a lot of people! She just doesn't kill innocents for her own gain.

>and Lancer's lance can be avoided if Touma shields his heart with his right hand but that would only be so if he had prior knowledge.

What if he's stabbed from behind? Gae Bolg doesn't have a "front of the chest" clause.

>Dunno what would happen against Assassin but he'd probably be killed.

THE ULTIMATE SWORDSMAN, REALLY?

>>4140588
Sure.

>>4140582
You can't cancel something that isn't there anymore.
Your poor lad would finish with his teeth up his ass.

>>4140588

Due to being a Heroic Spirit, though, her parameters are still far beyond a normal humans, even should she lose Ekscallibah.

>this thread

Wasn't the imagine breaker's power the power to make things normal or something along those lines.
In any case what it worked on was "unnatural" things.

Then everything that is "normal" should work on him I guess.
I wonder what would happen if Touma would be trown into a Reality Marble. RM's are their own worlds cut off from the "real" one, inside it one could say that everything except the visitiors are 100% normal.

What could Touma, a normal high-school kid, do against a grown-up man?

>>4140472
Too bad he can't kill bad threads.

>>4140613

>with martial arts!

>>4140612
Does not work that way.

>>4140577 Lancer's lance can be avoided if Touma shields his heart with his right hand

Gae Bolg doesn't work that way. Enjoy your impaled heart.

Touma comes with Biribiri, he is the defence and she is the offence.

The only thread that actually get some quick discussion in /jp/ is some powerlevel shit, go figure.
You guys only come here for this, right?

>>4140643
Sure.

>>4140643
I don't know why I come here ;_;

Best thread on /jp/ right now, remains me of the good ol days.

>>4140613
>implying high schoolers are all dumb hicks and all grown ups are intelligent beings of the highest calibur.

>>4140643

I enjoy defending the Servants' honor.

Just because you CAN kill Servants does not mean you will DEFEAT a Servant in combat.

Also: Black Barrel is superior in every way.

>>4140598
>Berserker DOES NOT IGNORE ANYTHING. He's insane. He smashes pyuuny hyuuman.

He ignored Shirou in the last fight with him in the Fate route.

>King Arthur killed a lot of people! She just doesn't kill innocents for her own gain.

Touma is innocent. Well at least he doesn't look like a shady guy to me and she'd let her guard down against a normal human.

>What if he's stabbed from behind? Gae Bolg doesn't have a "front of the chest" clause.

Lancer's pride wouldn't allow him attacking someone from behind.

>THE ULTIMATE SWORDSMAN, REALLY?
I meant that Touma would die against him.

I know that it needs ridiculous things to happen in order for Touma to win but that has never stopped him with his plot armor.

>>4140658
I mean physically.

>>4140658
Of course.
Once you hit 18, life changes.

>>4140525
You do realize that Archer's arrows flies at approximately the speed of mach13.
You imagine him blocking a projectile moving at that speed with his hand and human reflexes/speed?

Normal humans can't really be compared to them.

Aselia can destroy the entire FSN cast alone.

Discuss.

>>4140658

All adolescents and young adults are retards. You should already know this.

>>4140663
Cause Saber, the viable threat was there. So Touma winning entails a Saber fighting the opponent, I see.
Yes, Saber is all about wholeheartedly trusting everyone on sight.
Oh wow.

And in VS threads, take the most propable action, lest we can end them all with 'A meteorite came down'

If Touma gets the first shot, sure, though how, I have no idea.

>>4140683
'Hey, handshake?
C'mon man!'

>>4140682

FUCKING SPACEROCKS

>>4140685
'Cmon Berserker, shake my hand.'

Asuna can kill servants.

Discuss.

>>4140699
But can she resist fucking 10 year old boys?

>>4140663
You're obviously desperately grasping at straws here.

>He ignored Shirou in the last fight with him in the Fate route.
That was a three on one situation where both of the other two were far more of a threat and Illya even told Beserker to just ignore Shirou. Also I can imagine that Shirou would be moving extremely fast just after he traces Caliburn. Touma still has normal human physical capabilities, he'd be squashed if he so much looks at Beserker the wrong way in a one on one fight.

>Touma is innocent. Well at least he doesn't look like a shady guy to me and she'd let her guard down against a normal human.

Touma doesn't kill innocents either so I guess its a draw if you want to go that route. If they're actually fighting one another however Touma is skrewed.

>Lancer's pride wouldn't allow him attacking someone from behind.

He attempted to stab Shirou from behind out of his own free will. Besides there are a hundred angles the spear can go around to reach the heart even without counting it's fate hax. Not to mention that Lancer has runes which can do all sorts of crazy things and if he was serious he could stab Touma in the face before he could even react.

>I know that it needs ridiculous things to happen in order for Touma to win but that has never stopped him with his plot armor.

Plot armor is irrelevant in power level discussions.

>>4140697

I foresee no problems with this plan.

>>4140622
What does not work what way?
Imagine breaker?

Cause RMs work that way.
It was stated that RMs are their own worlds and that the "real" world fights against it thus the immense mana cost to keep one up.
Followed by something somewhat vague that if multiple RMs were to "collide" the "strongest" one would take over and that if there would be a RM existed that would be "stronger" than the "real" world, it would take over and the become the new "real" world.
RMs are in constant conflict with the "real" world though as long as they manage to stay they are in every right their own world with it's own rules and it's own reality and concepts.

>Discuss.

I refuse.

>>4140718
Your win.

>>4140732
Shirou could disprove magic.

Discuss.

>>4140744

What.

He'd just trace her red treasured sword a dozen times until he hits the answer at random

>>4140732

>>4140732
>I refuse.
You don't have a choice.

>>4140755
>implying Shiro passed primary school

>>4140817
Ain't he in high-school?
Or was he just the janitor wearing a school uniform?

>>4140780
>>4140732
>>4140744
There was no grail war, they were all on drugs.
The Einzberns, Tohsakas and the Makiris were all major drug lords researching new drugs.
The great "grail" was their state of the art experimental new druglab.
"All the evils of this world" were the drug they aspired to create.
They were all on drugs.
The Servants were hallucinations.
The only ones who actually knew what was going on was Zouken and Kirei, but Kirei had been a drug addict ever since the "4th war".

>>4140835
in japan you pass as long you have good attendance (at least in high school), aslo he passes because like you said he's the janitor and instead of paying him a salary, they let him pass

>>4140838

That is exceedingly silly.

>>4140838
Makes sense.

Now explain Sakura's worms.

>>4140855
Aphrodisiacs?

>Touma can kill servants
No. For pretty much the same reason Caster can't one-hit kill other servants with Rule Breaker. It doesn't work that way.

>>4140838
What about Shirou?

>>4140876
Not the same thing.

>>4140876
Actually for Touma it does.
His arm doesn't work the same way as rule breaker.

>>4140876

Well, technically.

She can sever their contract and wait till they run out of prana.

But, anyway, it's a "severance", not a "destruction". Black Barrel, for example, would cause Servants to EXPLODE.

>>4140623

Actually, Gae Bolg does work that way. The lance reverses cause-and-effect to the point where the lance is piercing your heart, so it must have been thrust at you. However, to do that it would have had to pass through Touma's hand which is initially between the lance and his heart. His hand is the ultimate magic-killer, so the lance wouldn't be able to pierce through his hand. Gae Bold fails at reversing cause-and-effect and... I don't know, explodes? Thrusts towards him normally?

Gae Bolg can't pierce Touma's hand in any eventuality, so it can't be used when his hand is covering his heart. Not saying Lancer wouldn't win, he does have a lot of other tricks up his sleeve, but Gae Bolg would fail in this matchup.

>>4140905

You know it's never said that Gae Bolg takes the path of least resistance.

>>4140905
Since it has to hit the heart, would it not just do a zig zag to avoid it?
Or id the hand is tsuck in the chest, go from behind?
Just do anything required to avoid it.
Unless Touma rips and tears his chest open and grabs the heart, then I got nothing.

>>4140876
Rule Breaker basically forces "normal" onto everything. Servants aren't normal, so they'd get dispelled.

You know how the Earth likes to correct little inconsistencies like reality marbles by overwriting them? It's sort of like that. Except it's instant and all it takes is for him to touch it.

Sure, Touma could kill a servant. Like if Lancer were fishing and Touma walked by and tapped him, he's gone. But in a combat situation, he's probably not going to survive. Unless he had a partner to distract them.

>this thread

wow

I don't know why you guys debate garbage like this. Accelerator can already beat anyone, so what's the point?

>>4140905
Unless Touma grabs his heart and covers it completely with his hand, Gae Bolg will get around it.

>>4140937
Except when they beat his head in in the novels.

>>4140880
>What about Shirou?
You thought Avalon was real?

After their druglab exploded in the 4th war all the people died from overdoses(aka fire) but Kiritsugu saved shirou by injecting him with an even stronger drug of course - Avalon.

>>4140927
What about Lancer's Gae Bolg?

>>4140905

That's nice. Just one huge problem with that theory of yours:

Who ever said Gae Bolg would end up sticking out of his chest (i.e., where Touma's hand would be)?

>>4140943
Caster would probably be a better choice against Accelerator because she could do crazy magic stuff like freezing the space around him or something to that effect.

Touma vs Servants is the EXACT same arguement as Ryougi (Void) vs Servants.

Except not really.
Touma would lose, instantly. He's human, he can't keep up with people that can move at Mach 1+
Not to mention their raw strength.

>>4140534
Touma's right arm is like Endless Nine Battler before he became a faggot, so yes.

>>4140937
Not automatically, it might very well find just try to pierce through.
Lancer himself might want to aim Gea Bolg following whatever way that might hit, that doesn't have to be through his hand even if it was an attack from the front.

Lancer doesn't need Gea Bolg to take down Touma though, even if Toumou could take down the lance due to a flunk or whatever, Lancer can just punch/kick him in the head or whatever and Touma wouldn't stand a chance.

>>4140955

Still, 5th Grail War Lancer could easily beat Accelerator. Possibly 4th Grail War Lancer as well as one of his NPs functions similarly to Imagine Breaker.

a new challenger appears

>>4140534
>Isn't Touma's power anti-magic power itself?
Isn't it anti the unnatural?
And that's why it works on psi-abillities as well as magic?

>>4140976
She would destroy anything in FSN easily.

>>4140976

>Accelerator can already beat anyone, so what's the point?
Does /a/ actually believe this?

>>4140976

Shota-Gil

>>4140927
But Accelerator is not even close to strongest in To Aruverse...

>>4140890
>Black Barrel
Assuming Servants are made of Gin, of course.
A key point here is the difference between servants and something like Touko's ethereal puppets. Servants will be destroyed if their magical supply runs out or if their body is severely damaged enough for them to die. Since it's Touma we're talking about, it's the latter that would be taking place, their body would be erased by IB. In the case of Touko's puppets, no matter how many times you destry it, it'll reform because it's being projected. So Touma could kill a servant (provided they have a spiritual, not a physical body) but not Touko's puppet, since the source of it's ethereal form is not in the puppet itself.

>>4140976
Not really.
>>4140699

>>4141003
Would do shit against her.

>>4141017
Not just shotas, she is into scat now too?

>>4141008
Means that Saber would be unaffected because she has a real body due to her not being dead.

>>4141008
Gin (Ether) is what all magi use for their Thaumaturgy.

>>4140976
>>4140976
>>4140976

Magic Canceler + Swordfight
She's like Saber with Touma's power

>>4141008

>Assuming Servants are made of Gin, of course.

They're made of Prana, which is composed of Ether, which is filtered Gin.

Everything magical has Gin in it.

>>4141017

Why would she want to when she could have underaged cock?

I am not sure if Touma's hand can dispell servants to be honest.
Servants are made out of Souls stored in a container.
The thing is that Nasu have stated that the container is amde out of something closer to nothing than anything. (Nasu seems to like stuff like that)
MEoDP apparently cannot "kill" nothing, being one of the reasons for why it can't kill servants(yes there were some other reasons as well)

if MEoDP can't kill them then I am unsure of wether or not Imagine Breaker could.

I've only seen the first episode of this show, but basically the premise is that his hand nullifies magic, like mx0, correct?

Sure, he can kill Servants, then. If they let him.
Like Shiki.

>>4141070
...Holy shit man, you know shit of both universes.

>>4141080
Not really, no.
MX0 is awesome though...

>>4141080
That's not necessarily the premise, but yes, his hand totally negates magic and psychic powers.

His memory is rewritten in an episode also, and just by scratching his head, he destroys the magic that did that, which I assume is how the Gae Bolg argument is being used.

>>4141080
Man I loved Mx0. It's too bad it was taken away from us.

>>4140924
>inconsistencies like reality marbles by overwriting them
But reality marbles aren't inconsistencies, they are just conflicting, trying to take over in other words existing.
Two worlds can't seem to exist at once in the nasuverse(in the same world though, everyone knows the nasuverse consist of infinite worlds) therefore the worlds' conflict.

>>4141123

It's more like Gaia is a tyrannical whore who keelhauls any reality that tries to mack on her turf.

Crystal Valley is exempt because it's like reality-cancer.

>>4140924

To bad Saber got stabbed with it and it only broken the Contract with Shiro.

Rule Breaker breaks the rules, such as contracts but that is it.

>>4141132

Good thing she bites it. I hate planets with feelings.

>>4141082
>...Holy shit man, you know shit of both universes.
Nasu have repeatidly stated that Shiki can't kill Servants, That was answers in one of those interviews, just not with his own words.
Shiki really can't kill Servants, it is confirmed by Nasu himself

>>4141140
...Oh, dear.

I got it!

Touma kills himself, therefore not allowing anyone else to kill him.

Can't beat this theory good sirs, accept your lost gracefully and move on.

>>4141140
OH NO
YOU FUCKING
DIDN'T

>>4141159
Well, fuck.

Servants are already dead, did Touma win?

>>4141159
Servants could easily kill him faster than he can kill himself.

>>4141183
That sounds like a challenge to me.

This guy here could kill any servant.

>>4141213
As long as he doesn't panic like a bitch.

>>4141140
No. He never said it himself. I don't know where people get this bullshit.

>>4141227
Shiki cannot kill Servants.

Touma can probably kill servants, but he certainly can't beat one.

He'd die before he could even react to one.

Touma can't kill Gil. He has a human body

>>4141140
>>4141247

More like Nasu said that "Shiki cannot defeat servants", in which physical stats were the basis. He can still kill them given the chance, like how Ryougi could only fight them defensively due to Servants having a higher stats.

You should try reading the interviews first hand instead of copying what others post.

>>4141281

Women and children could beat that faggot's ass, its not that hard.

>>4141285
Bullshit.

>>4141293

Then why dont you read it for yourself, instead of spewing bullshit.

>>4141227
He have said that Ryougi can manage a defensive fight at best and that Tohno doesn't even stand a chance, that much is for sure.

But what our kind anon here said does make some bells ring, you sure he have never said it in some moon magazine?
Some things in the original works kind of supports it as well.

Shiki can't kill Mokou.

Discuss.

>>4141317

Touma can.

>>4141325
Mokou's abs disagree.

>>4141302

Killing =/= Defeating

>>4141325

Mokou's magical immortality resides on the plain of souls, which cannot be touched.

Sorry, but that won't work.

In case you're wondering I'm responsible for about 1/5th of all the posts in this thread and I will not tolerate any discussion regarding the permanent death of mai phoenix.

>>4141350
>Sorry, but that won't work.

It will.

Your all ants to me.

>>4141386

It cannot be touched. Nothing physical can touch the soul.

Shinigami scythes notwithstanding.

>>4141293
Since you clearly don't know how to read. And you seem to be listening to 5th hand knowledge and are acting like you read it yourself
>38. As said in the game, Shiki can't see lines on things that can't be killed (destroyed) in the modern world. This is because the basis of the eyes of Shiki, a human being, work in proportion to the limits of modern humanity. Which means, Servants = unkillable by modern weapons (yes, Kinoko said that himself) = either no lines seen in normal cases (unless he pushes himself or reaches the point of being accustomed to the death of anything - still have the form of living beings so shouldn't take that much time if any) or number and thickness are less and not so easy to affect. Servants = materialized spiritual bodies = concepts about a thousand years or older = not so easy to kill; slashing one line doesn't ensure immediate effect. An easily breakable image that's been developed from human ideals images for some 2000 or more years probably would cause some penalties. Dots, as always, are insta-death - I'm not saying that Shiki can't kill them, I'm saying that just slashing a non-head line may not mean much during actual combat, especially those with the Battle Continuation skill. Best bet would try to look for openings for a dot strike while buying time (a stronger better version of Harpe with penalties). Noble Phantasms at the very least should be as formidable as Araya's Busshari.
Make a counter argument.

>>4141386
Touma can't dispel magic if another source is keeping it there.

See: innocentius

>>4141302
He said modern weapons cannot kill Servants.

>>4141397
Fuck you Aurrelus.

>>4141409

His hand could negate the concept of luck by just being there, a soul doesnt seem that hard to touch.

>>4141416

He can, it just kept on regenerating/resummoning itself.

>>4141451

Souls are beyond the grasp of the mortal realm.
Probability is not.

>>4141469

So are angels and other divine entities. And they're clearly wary of the Imagine Breaker.

>>4141490

But those can transsubsist and interact with the mortal realm. A soul cannot, except in the form of a ghost, which is not how Kaguya and Mokou exist.

>>4141325
>>4141386
Touma wouldn't even be able to beat her in a fight. And IB can't negate her immorality since HE doesn't support or powers her immortality, it changes her existence completely.

But it might be possible to cancel her supernatural abilities or traits as long as Touma has his IB on her. It's just like the case with other espers or magicians. As long as he keeps physical contact with his IB on them, their powers simply will stop or become canceled.

>>4141498

We dont know that yet, but anything unnatural, be it miracles or not, gets destroyed by IB

>>4141512
> And IB can't negate her immorality
Dohohoho.

I was under the assumption that the containers were made out of pure ether and that Shiki couldn't kill ether.
http://web.archive.org/web/20070511031351/fuyuki.pbwiki.com/Magic
>Formless and cannot gain form on its own
And other than the container, Servants are already dead and the world tries to kill them accordingly even though the process is being delayed.

>>4141514

And who says immortals are unnatural? It's just a manipulation of time applied in a devious way.

>>4141523
>And who says immortals are unnatural

Law of nature says so

>>4141537

The court has yet to rule one way or another on that one.

Unfortunately, it's highly unlikely Shikieiki or Komachi will meet with Kaguya or Mokou in canon.

>>4141517
Touma touching an esper or magician doesn't make him or her lose their power. So he can't negate them.

>>4141548

Even so, it's still a concept that is far from normal. She's vulnerable to IB.

>>4141564

I don't think she is!

Time dilation effects are perfectly within the laws of physics. Blooming them out of proportion is just pulling strings.

>>4141554

Well, Dragon arm did that to the Reality Warper. No, it's not just his imagination that did that, there's been hints to what his arm really is.

>>4141579

Manipulation of physics? Sounds like Esper abilities to me. They too get IB'd

>>4141554
Biri biri can't use her electricity while Touma is grasping her. Stalker bitch can't teleport while Touma is grasping her.

>>4141587

It's not 'manipulating' physics, it's 'abusing' physics.

Also YOU CAN'T TOUCH A SOUL ANYWAY

>>4141554
Well, when Misaka grabbed him, her powers were temporarily erased, so maybe as long as Touma grabs Mokou, he can kill her?

I'm just an Index animefag, so disregard my lack of knowledge.

>>4141518
>エーテル - Eeteru
>Aether. The Greek version of Akasha. The heavens. The 5th element. Or the 6th element. Or many other elements. Either that, or a substance. One of the primordial gods (which includes Gaia and Chaos).
I don't really know, I don't really care either
Nasu is kind of funny, it feels as if he could have said that Shiki couldn't kill it, or that he could and then just make something up.

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>>4141605

Grabbing their body =/= grabbing their souls.
The soul generates the body, but the body is not housing the soul in their case.

>>4141600

So they say, people dont get their luck negated too, or completely obliterate magical people with a touch, or make people die with a word.

She gets IB too.

>>4141615

Except you can't touch a soul. You can touch "luck" (probability) on a quantum scale, and you can touch magic as it interacts with matter, but you cannot touch a soul.

-touma's power negates anything 'unatural', be it magic or esper powers etc, the majority of servants would go poof if they were touched by touma in any shape or form
-outside of imagine breaker touma is a normal human with no special abilities, asides very bad luck

The whole argument is stupid regardless, I bet Mokou could beat Touma up easily.

>>4141634
>You can touch luck

How do you that? Ryougi Shiki can touch souls with ease yet it doesnt seem that she can do that with the concept of luck except for 3rd personality.

Concept of Luck > Concept of Soul

There's nothing that proves Touma negates luck....he just has bad luck.

>>4141656

Okay, that's totally the wrong universe, brah.

Nasuverse =/= Gensokyo =/= To Aru.

>>4141665
it was specifically said in index that touma negates his own luck, i.e. gods blessing

>>4141665

I'll take the word of a magical glutton catholic nun over yours, bro. Especially if she knows what she's talking about.

>>4141600

I haven't seen hair-splitting that fine since I dropped out of law school.

It's the same thing, give it up.

>>4141669

We're talking about absolutes here. IB is absolute against anything unnatural, even if we dont go for the different universe rule.

>>4141695

>the different universe rule

>>4141656
Touma never touched luck.
It's more like as if all humans have a luck modifier of -5 by defoult, they are also blessed or something like that in the ToAru verse that gives a +5 modifier giving them a defoult 0 luck, and Touma simply makes that bless go away.

And Ryougi never really "touched" a soul
In her case it's more like as if the concept of that soul was "thick" enough for the lines linked to it to appear.

>>4141695

You know what, fuck it. I'm agreeing with >>4141655. After 1200 years she's probably a martial artist of extreme caliber and would snap his arm off with legitimate physical combatant capability and then there'd be nothing to worry about at all.

ENOUGH

>>4141713

What, you're going for "She could beat him physically" because you cant counter argue? Typical.

>>4141712
>Touma never touched luck.

"By simply in contact with air, IB negates his own luck"

>>4141712
If I correct myself I should have written that humans inthe ToAru-verse are unlucky beings that start with -5 luck, not a modifier as their defoult is negative.

>>4140718
You're obviously desperately grasping at straws here.

>He ignored Ichigo in the last fight with him in the Soul Society route.
That was a three on one situation where both of the other two were far more of a threat and Naruto even told Kakashi to just ignore Ichigo. Also I can imagine that Ichigo would be moving extremely fast just after he uses Bankai. Sasuke still has normal human physical capabilities, he'd be squashed if he so much looks at Kakashi the wrong way in a one on one fight.

>Sasuke is innocent. Well at least he doesn't look like a shady guy to me and she'd let her guard down against a normal human.

Sasuke doesn't kill innocents either so I guess its a draw if you want to go that route. If they're actually fighting one another however Sasuke is skrewed.

>"By simply in contact with air, IB negates his own luck"
You mean, by simply being in touch with himself he negated his own blessings.
That isn't really the same as thouching luck.

>>4141760

It's stated outright that he negates his luck.

Word of God >>> Your Theories

>>4141758

How long did ya spend typing that out, broseph?

>>4141758
>ZUN !barYV1VtIA

>>4141771
What are you talking about?
It wasn't my own theory.

It follows that humans in the ToAru-verse are blessed by god but touma negates that blessing thus he has no luck.
And that's what I said.

Thing that are supernatural, be it magic, miracles, or God's divine blessing (luck) will be [break/killed] by IB.

But IB is not all-powerful nor is it absolute. It can't destroy/negate something back to the source or from outside/external sources. It can only destroy/negate a particular section of what it's touching. And if something is being powered indefinitely, IB won't be able to kill what's getting powered unless he kills the source.

It doesn't kill or negate an existence, it merely turns anything supernatural (to it) back to normal. An angel in the Index-verse are from another realm. They don't belong on Earth, so they are something unnatural. IB wouldn't [kill] it, but merely send the angel back to its realm.

Espers are people with talent. They're turned into esper via drugs and brain enhancing program, but their body are still human (normal). Their abilities are supernatural as they are powered by their own reality. IB returns their power (own reality aka illusion) back into normal (no reality = nothing happens = illusion being killed).

Magic is Telsma, which is power from angels/God. It's natural for IB to cancel/kill it being supernatural to the world. But there are also magic that came from Earth, yet, IB still kills them too...

Bottom line, IB can't negate something that's natural (obviously), or kill/negate an existence (no, IB=ing an angel doesn't kill it, just sends it back, but it can kill a spell or magic from the angel, not the angel itself, though). Artificial angels, on the other hand, is a different case...

Touma "negates" the summoning, dispelling the physical form of servants. That = gg.

All divine, magical, physic, ect. powers are absolutely worthless agianst Touma

>>4142060

>physic powers

I doubt he can stop momentum

>>4142060

>All divine, magical, physic, ect. powers are absolutely worthless against Touma's right hand

Fixed.
Servants can stab his brain long before he could even think to raise it.

>>4142066
He did. See railgun.

>>4142072
Servants can't defeat his plot armor.

Kotomine can kill Touma. And he will rip his plot armor arm. And he will do all sort of funny things with it.

>>4142080
You underestimate a Servant's plot armor. See Archer in UBW.

>>4142097

The bastard was killed TWICE and he still would not go until he saved the entire fucking day.

>>4140588
>wtfamireading.jpg

You do realize that Arthur never fought anybody before he pulled the sword from the stone, right? He trained as a squire and was excellent until he became king. Also, he had many jousting matches and, to quote the mythos, "performed marvelous and wondrous deeds on horseback with his lance."

King Arthur doesn't need EKUSU-KALI-BA to fuck your face with a stick.