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>>4130792
Regardless of OP, this is now a UFO bashing thread.
I'll start first: If I see that UFO one more time...........

>with the exception of the Extra stage and Nue's theme
I know a lot of people dislike Nue's theme, but people seem to like the stage theme enough. I personally like both, but OPINIONS.

>The difficulty is also substantually easier than SA
Someone hasn't played anything other than Normal.

>The bullets and patterns are the damn most beautiful I've ever seen in any of his games.
Would you still like them if they weren't all ADDITIVE RENDER MODE?

>The difficulty is also substantually easier than SA, perhaps he's trying to stabalize the equilibrium that SA went and destroyed by being ridiculous. UFO is one of the easiest in the series, factoring in the bomb and life grinding UFO mechanic makes it by far the easiest (especially using Sanae B). Even Hijiri is simple, sans Flying Fantastica.

You know, I'd like your Danmaku Dodging abilities; UFO Hard's beating me 20 to 0.

>>4130839
Where are you stuck?

>The bullets and patterns are the damn most beautiful I've ever seen in any of his games.

i fail to see that as a bad thing

>least creative
well in 12.3 he had a fucking fish. i say he is getting to creative for his own good.
besides, if he losing his touch for new touhou, perhaps next time he will bring HER back.

>The difficulty is also substantually easier than SA
good thing, that.

>The music is lively and inspired
glad you think so, cuz i don't

All i see is bashing. Troll.

>>4130850
Not same poster but I just get attritioned down to 0 lives in stages 4 and 5. Murasa is like clipdeath city and I start to go bullet blind in stage 5.

I'm practicing, though, not trying to 1cc, so I'm not bomb spamming where I could be.

What's your point, OP?

>>4130856
>losing touch with new touhou

I'm not so sure about this actually.

For the longest time everyone thought SA's cast sucked too. I mean, Orin was just the Wendy's girl with cat ears and don't get me started on what people had to say about Okuu's cape.

>>4130792
>Stage 2 Touhous are the best
Parsee is far from popular.

UFO's Stage 5 on Hard/Lunatic is the hardest stage in the Windows series.

>>4130887
What do people have against Okuu?

Granted, she was practically the only likable character besides Yuugi in the game, but still.

Well UFO are suppose to be the Lunarians right? Maybe he should of added more story instead of "we are invading earth just because".

Hell had that rebellious movement going on, I can't see why they couldn't say "We, descending from Heaven, shall divine judgement with the power of God."

And then they get Shiki'ed

>>4130906
They're just angry at peta flare and a couple other ridiculous spells she's got.

Nue's theme is one of UFO's best, I'd say. Nazrin's theme is one of ZUN's best, total, though. Kogasa is one of my favorite characters...

UFO collection is a bitch above normal. I get disheartened on the first stage and don't even feel like bothering. Byakuren has a few unusually easy attacks, but other than that, it has a great difficulty curve. Shou is really fun, too. Except for that vajra.

I don't like the UFO collection system as much as some of the other games, because of how much it separates scoring and survival...

>>4130909
Heaven and Hell meltdown IS a bitch and a half....

SA is easier than UFO, in my opinion. Kogasa and Stage 4 still kills me all the time in UFO, while in SA all I have to worry about is Orin.

Good cast, good music, I've never played on anything higher than normal but it was fairly easy to 1CC just going for red UFOs.

anyway. Shou.

>>4130910
If the green ufos are difficult to get you can always bomb before collecting the third one, and then grab it once the bomb ends. Proceed to anhilate the ufo as it now immediately absorbs all the neighboring points and you'll clear the screen.

Rinse and repeat.

Yes, Nazrin has one of the best themes I've ever heard. I stopped bothering to try capturing Vajra some time ago.

>>4130916
That's one of the easier spell cards... do you have trouble with bullets that aren't going down? You sound like one of those people that hate Genetics of the Subconscious with a passion.

>>4130916
Sit in the middle of the screen and move in small circles, clockwise and counterclockwise, to capture that spell. Moving along one axis alone will get you killed when all the bullets line up to form a solid wall going horizontal on the screen.

>>4130919
I wish I found SA as easy as you apparently do.

Stage 1 and 2 bosses have been getting harder, which I think is good. (Really, I find Rumia almost as easy on lunatic mode as Nazrin on normal...)

Hina has some tough danmaku, but, uh, bombs.

Not him, but I fucking hate Genetics of the Subconscious. I was lucky to get through with like 6 bombs and a life or so, and that was the best I'd ever done. Usually lost 2-3.

>>4130944
Huh, you're right now that I think about it.

Though Cirno is much to difficult considering she's the fandom retard.

>>4130937
The bullets do go down.

I have no problem at all with bullets that don't go down, anyway. A few of Mokou's do that, and Reimu's IN spellcards pull that as well.

Yuugi's does, too.

Patchoulli has a screen-filling bullet fall from the upper corners.

Boss I like, Bitch that I hate, but the battle was still enjoyable, boss that I loved, and another boss I loved.

:/

Cirno is kinda frustrating, but... there's Mystia, who's probably the easiest stage 2 boss. Chen is pretty easy. She only has one or two annoying bits, but I think EX-Chen is harder than lunatic Chen... I actually find Luize pretty tough.

The cast is hit and miss in my opinion. I second the bullet patter, absolutely gorgeous.

>>4130984
Then I will never understand why you have problems with Heaven and Hell Meltdown.

Orin is a strange boss. With practice, she becomes immensely easier. Without, almost everything she does will rape you. Unlike Shou, who almost alternates rage and yukkuri.

Now this has turned into a difficulty tread.

>>4131006
Bullets that blend with the background, small space to dodge in, constant grazing in said space, panic fingers, und so weiter, und so weiter....

Troublesome, yeah, certainly not OMFG hard.

>>4131012
I'd much rather it be a gameplay thread than a MY LOLI HAS A BETTER HAT THEN YOUR LOLI thread.

As for my opinions of cast, SA>EoSD>IN>UFO>PCB>MoF. Something like that.

>>4131019
You have to be considerably offcenter to be grazing the giant bullets the entire card. You can also go off to the sides too, you know.

ZUN really went out with the danmaku in UFO. In fact practically every stage brought something new. Nazrin had her crystals. Kogasa had those round things which I'm not sure on what they actually are. Ichirin had Unzan. Murasa had her anchors and a new bullet type. Shou had curvy lasers and the green boomerang. Byakuren only had her flower backdrop though as well as a curvy laser card. Nue brought UFOs. I also liked how the sprites did stuff as they shot danmaku. If you look at the bosses while they're shooting you'll notice stuff. Nazrin aligns her detectors, Kogasa spins her unbrella, Murasa flings water at you using her scoop.

>>4131012
I'd much rather it be a gameplay thread than a MY LOLI HAS A BETTER HAT THAN YOUR LOLI thread.

UFO gives you lots of lives, but it balances it out by making most of the bosses fucking impossible. Only windows game I haven't 1cc'd. Haven't even gotten close.

>>4131038
Good for you. I can't even get past Orin in SA.

>>4131042

What of her troubles you? Needle Mountain uses some of the most bullshit bullshit in Touhou, but there is a sort of pattern to it...

>>4131036
The latter is more interesting.

It'd have to be accessories for UFO though. It's Nazrin.

>>4131034
Yeah, and ZUN really leveled up his art, not just in the portraits but the boss sprites and gimmicky bullets and stuff. It's the first game where I'd say the art is uniformly passable.

Am I the only one who thinks UFO is harder than SA?

>>4130850

basically >>4130873 .

Look, I have no problem with Shou or Murasa, but the stages are just horrible.

I don't know what it takes to go through Stage 4 and 5 losing only a life at most.

Again, You Have Awesome Abilities, I Want Them So Bad.

>>4131042
Use Reimu A

This will also enable you to triviialize stage 6 when you get to it.

>>4131071
Probably. I thought SA was ridiculously hard

I want a character thread instead a difficulty thread.

>>4131093
UFOs are really interesting characters and I like most of them a lot. I think I like ZUN's newer, crazier designs more than his doll-like ones of the past. There you go, discuss.

You don't get a thread you want by asking. Post some character discussion.

>>4131071
No, I think UFO is easily the hardest of the Windows series. Those that disagree haven't tried Hard or Lunatic.

>>4131106
Eh, I wasn't much motivated to play more UFO.

The characters didn't strike me like most of the other game casts did

>>4131042
SA is smalltime. The bosses don't start being a pain until the fourth level, and you can spam bombs and then get right back to max power just by killing a few guys? Some of the cards are hard, but nowhere near as many as UFO. UFO past level 2 goes into ridiculous overdrive and every second card is insane.

On hard, this is. Normal mode UFO is crazy easy. Max lives at like level 3.

MoF hard=UFO or SA normal.

>>4131072
There isn't much I can do to help you with stage 4, half of it's twitch dodging and the other half is killing everything before it shoots inconvenient bullets.

When Nue appears you alternate sides to make dodging the waves simple. The onslaught of bullets immediately afterwards require you to slowly slide in the direction the orbs fly in.

Then there's more twitch dodging until the end. Just hold out for 2 green ufos and then bomb, the third will spawn and you'll be set.

Stage 5 requires you to make full circles around the screen to effectively dodge everything, especially when shit-loads of those orbs appear. Marisa is a bitch to use on that stage because of her speed.

Murasa's Vajra and very last spell rape me pretty hard.

>Murasa's Vajra

I'd sure like to capture that

>>4131118
Holy shit, MoF is that easy? It's the only one I've not played.

Disregard that, I'm off to sleep.

>>4131130
MoF is really easy. When I first downloaded it, I played it with a few characters then didn't touch it for a few months. I didn't even bother getting to stage 5. On my first time playing it after those few months I 1cced it. I was using MarisaA which was apparently one of the crappier shot-types.

MoF is like SA, but you get practically double the bombs with generally easier patterns except for Kanako.

Really, I can barely beat UFO on normal, but I got to Kanako's 2nd to last card on hard without really practicing beforehand.

>>4131124

Half the time I tried to run in circles during Stage 5 orb onslaught ends up with me getting hit and praying to the Gods that the deathbomb works.

You know, I don't like this, more so because I just can't do it. I wonder what is it that the Lunatic Divers have and I don't.

>>4131147
Yep, I beat it in literally 5 tries, back when I had only 1cc'd PCB and IN a few times each and was still pretty shitty.

>>4131168
Ten thousand hours of practice.

>>4131168
Take the number of hours you've played your favorite/most played video game.

Replace it with Touhou, halve the regret (they can at least show off their skills, though they're equally useless as your own).

Best boss theme goes to Shou, in my opinion

>>4130792
I really didn't liked UFO very much. The characters and plot story were okay -I guess-, but the danmaku and spell cards could have used a bit more hard work. Unzan fucking ruined Ichirin's stage for me.

>>4130906
wat

>>4131469
Say that to their face.

Personally I think the Captain is the best thing to come out of UFO, along with Fires of Hokkai. Pretty solid game, not the best in the series, but not the worst either.

>>4130792
>UFO is one of the easiest in the series, factoring in the bomb and life grinding UFO mechanic makes it by far the easiest (especially using Sanae B).
Are you stupid like Cirno? With the exception of SA, I've beaten all of the Touhou games on hard mode, yet I'm still struggling to beat UFO on hard mode. It's easily the third hardest game in the series behind StB and SA. IN and MF are the easiest. And EoSD and PCB are medium difficulty. The only thing easy about UFO was the final boss and extra stage boss.

You only thought UFO was easy because you've gotten so much better since grinding the other series. If you're this wrong about the difficulty, it makes me wonder how much other things you were wrong about in your post.

Is he still stealing rhythms from 1980s techno music

I liked UFO more than SA.

But I play touhou mostly to enjoy the music, and UFO delivers well. Especially Kogasa, Murasa, and Unzan's themes.

>>4132583
IN is nowhere near being one of the easiest, nigger.

>>4132658

2/10

Try again tomorrow.

>>4132658
I could see you arguing that MoF is easier, but that would still put IN at second easiest.
Fag

>>4132658
Opinion rejected.

>IN is nowhere near being one of the easiest
Shut the fuck up you piece of shit. Come back once you stop being a secondary fan. I 1cc'd most of the Touhou games on hard mode back in 2007. It's the year 2010 and you still haven't 1cc'd the games on normal mode. You have no voice in this thread, close it and leave.

>>4132666
>>4132676
>>4132698
IN is hated by real Touhou fans because it was the first Touhou game in the PC series to start the trend of 'casual fan' tier difficulty. Luckily for us, SA came and set the games back on track.

>>4132658
IN is either the easiest game in the series or second easiest behind MF (if we're not including PoFV). Pick your poison.

>>4130792

A small comment on the music, I find that each song has a fantastic intro\set up but then fails to deliver during the verse\chorus\bridge or whatever you call it when it's a song with no lyrics.

>>4132698
Isn't MoF lunatic harder than SA lunatic, though?

>>4132723
No.

>>4132723
>Isn't Kanako lunatic harder than SA lunatic?

>>4132732
I chuckled because it's true.

I need the return of spell card practice from IN, shit.

>>4132698
>Come back once you stop being a secondary fan.
(Implying you are not one)

>you still haven't 1cc'd the games on normal mode.
Did you thought I would have been so maniatic as for asking for a screencap to prove that statement?

Please go sit in a corner and think about what you've done. Yours is the most anal-retentive post I've seen lately around here.

>>4132808
>the word "implying" isn't in greentext
Heresy!

At least put up some numbers about time spent between the games. IN's likely received the least amount of play time among the regular shooters but I'm not going to complain (much) about how high on the difficulty list it is compared to the others. I know many of the problems are stemming from lack of micromemorization or understanding the attacks, and I never try to fix these problems so the terrible feelings associated with the game affect standard dodging performance.

I dislike ufo because they made laser marisa suck. It's the best of the new generation of Touhou games (new generation being the ones with the current x.xx life/power/bomb system.) It's also the only one of them I can stand to play.

Too bad it's broken somehow and I can't see the title screen when I open it, despite it working.

I managed to 1CC UFO's normal on my first attempt, I still haven't been able to get past stage 5 on hard. It's pretty rare for me to get frustrated with a game, but I have little patience for UFO.

Stages 2 and 3 had pretty bland music to me, but everything else was pretty damn good; with the exception of Shou, who's theme does absolutely nothing for me.

My personal preference goes like this:
SA>EoSD>StB>MoF>UFO>IN>PCB

I don't know how many other people rank PCB pretty low, but I think I'm one of the few.

>>4132935
>IN above PCB
You are a cur and a troll.

>>4132949
IN's extra stage is my favourite extra stage in the series, but that's not enough to put it high on the list. The rest of the game isn't particularly fantastic to me.

PCB didn't leave any lasting impression on me and quite a few of the tracks were a little screechy for me to appreciate. I'm not saying it's a bad game; I just didn't enjoy it as much as I enjoy the others.

Also:Opinions.

>>4132949
Not >>4132935, but I can't take your post seriously. How hard is it for people to wrap their head around the fact that some invest more time into certain games than others? Because of that, I agree PCB should be on the bottom.

>>4132994
I realize I'm throwing it up to opinions yet still try to prove my own as a better opinion. At least draw up some comparisons when you disagree rather than say "no", "troll", whatever else.

>>4132583
OP here, the guy you were talking about, and UFO was my first touhou game, and naturally the first 1cc'd. I was a secondaryfag heathen prior. Maybe I've invested more time into UFO than I realized, so it only seems easier to dodge when I harbor all the small details in the back of my mind.

>>4132935
Yuyucow is my most hated touhou and I still rank PCB pretty high. I fucking hate her, and it's not because she's the easiest stage 6 of any of Zun's games (albeit she has the most beautiful bullet patterns sans Hijiri in UFO). I adore PCB's soundtrack, in particular stage 1 and the Prismriver sisters. Also, the non-ghost characters are all some of my favorites.

Chen>Wendy's-Nekomimi.

As for the best cast of characters nothing will ever come close to EoSD. The music, patterns, art, and difficulty are mediocre in comparison to the rest of the series, but the SDM cast trumps all the others. Also, there's that baka--that's either a good or bad thing depending on how you pay attention to the fandom.

>>4133726
Omitting PC98 games, the easiest stage 6 boss (average of all difficulties) is surely Utsuho.
If her first spellcard was her last and took 1 minute to beat, then she'd be a challenge.

>>4133726
>Yuyucow

>>4132794
This so bad. But ZUN said he wouldn't include it again.

>>4133766
Peta Flare is the most random and cheap single attack of any touhou in the entire series, even more ridiculous than any of Kaguya's ridiculous spells. Then there's seperation of heaven and earth.

I find her first spell easy. She sends a large flare directly to where you are so you always have to move to the left or right the same set distance to get out of it's way. You can ignore the flares since you already know where they're going to land and focus on the smaller blue bullets.

>>4133801
The problem is that the smaller bullets oftentimes form clusters huge enough to block the entire way through.

>Then there's seperation of heaven and earth.
What's this? Hell's Tokamak is a joke on every difficulty
As explained above, all this spellcard requires is moving in circles. It's even easier if you do that on the side instead of the middle of the screen. Her last nonspell is harder than this.

>>4133840
Real men no vert hell's tomahawk in the middle of the screen.

I didn't much care for a lot of the cast except for Kogasa, but for some reason Nazrin's grown on me a lot.

My tiger-waifu.

>>4133900
>Real men die

>>4133969
pretty much this, though for that spell in particular it's a little difficult to see where the bullets are until they escape the large flares.

>>4133840
Same for me, I just get crowded by the blue bullets. It's harder > Normal too because you have to wait for the second flare to pop or you'll get completely walled in.

I man up (little girl up?) and do Utsuho's 3rd spellcard the hard way, it's pretty fun and not even that hard. It's a shame you can cheat through it so easily.

>>4134008
What? What easy way?

>>4134023
Fixed star.
The inner stars and the outer stars don't touch. You can stay in the middle of the screen and graze them, so you only have to micrododge the small bullets.

>>4134023

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91sLZL1wBQE#t=4m11s

I disagree with your assertion of the cast OP. I personally find UFO to have the strongest cast of any Touhou game. Ironically, I find your favorite, Kosaga, to be the weakest. Largely because she's just sort of there, while every other character is tired to the plot.

>>4134092
>Largely because she's just sort of there, while every other character is tired

>>4134215
It's because we don't see them ever interact with one another, while the personalities of the SDM cast for instance are very fleshed out, each having their own distinct, unique characteristics.

I guess the fanon doesn't know what to do with them yet.

>>4132522

A moment there I thought she was getting eaten by a dolphin.