/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Yes but not on /jp/

>>4111307
This.

I support them because it makes people rage.

Only psychos
And the mentally challenged who think that a fishing vessel can "ram" a fucking $2m speedboat

>>4111337
Murasa could sink my speedboat any day.

Only the Japs (whose fabricated "centuries-old whaling tradition" was knocked in the public conscious by the Americans only following WWII) have something to say against them.

>>4111372
3/10

>>4111397
Oh, I see. The whale is butthurt.

>>4111397
>implying Japan is in any way an aggressor in this situation
1/10

As a proud Korean, I fully support them. Kill those disgusting nips.

>>4111422
Whaling is a pro-Japanese touchstone.

It is a secret that Korean has more consumption of the whale than Japanese.

What support SS financially is American.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1952194,00.html?xid=rss-topstories

I still think the JMSDF should put a guided missile destroyer out in the Antarctic - I'd totally watch that shitty show if the season abruptly ended with the Sea Shepherd and/or Steve Irwin being torpedoed for illegally attacking a Japanese-flagged vessel. Think of the ratings!

If Japanese are so smart, why don't they synthesize something akin to imitation crab meat, except that it should simulate the texture, nutritional values and flavor of whale meat (Even though it's reportedly flavorless, but who cares. At least they won't run the risk of ingesting dangerously high amounts of mercury)?

>>4111453
I thought you Japs were proud of your no-holds-barred whaling practices. Isn't giving Koreans the primacy somewhat detrimental to your Nipponese pride?

>>4111559
>no holds barred
How is it no holds barred? It's a highly restricted practice, limited to only a few non-endangered whale species, and limited to 1,000 kills a year?

>>4111559
Do you know food chain?
It is mother's milk to be the most dangerous.

>>4111559
>If Japanese are so smart, why don't they synthesize something akin to imitation crab meat
Imitation crab meat fucking sucks compared to real crab.
>I thought you Japs were proud of your no-holds-barred whaling practices. Isn't giving Koreans the primacy somewhat detrimental to your Nipponese pride?
Why did you conclude that that Anon is Japanese?

>>4111578

Two words: Minamata disease.
Japs don't know they're edging toward another mass food poisoning incident until it bites them straight in the ass.

>>4111302
I consider myself an honest environmentalist. I hate these people.

>>4111600
But Minimata disease is/was caused chiefly by LCD panel production

>>4111610
But LCD panels are made of whale meat.

>>4111559

Are you a Korean?
Your country is a whaling nation.

>>4111583
>Imitation crab meat fucking sucks compared to real crab.

It only sucks because it doesn't have the same taste real crab meat has. But since whale meat is flavorless, nobody will ever know.

Japs are lesser of two evils in this case

>>4111298
Fuck off with your moronic attacks 24/7 at www.anon
talk.com. We don't want you there, retards. Got it already?

>>4111559
Muscle has been cultured before.
Let's just say it's not the kind of steak or fillet you'd ever want. Not the same flavor, texture, shape, even odor.

so yeah.

Of course both U.S.A. and Australia are former whaling nations.

I think you guys are missing the point here.

FUCK YOU DOLPHIN! FUCK YOU WHAAALE!

Whales are just sea-cows. What's next, people freeing cows from slaughter houses? And don't say something stupid like, "but whales are smart". If they're so smart, why don't they go to the UN and complain about having their human rights violated. Oh, wait.

Lets not forget that imitation crab meat is created from other fish

You're just moving the "overfishing" problem to another species, not getting rid of it.

I support the Japanese in this incident.

>>4111628
What happened to many hugs from tiny loli? ;_;

>>4111650
Pigs and octopii are smart too.

Is it Australia and U.S.A. and China and Korea and North Korea to support them?

>>4111662
>USA
>support Sea Shepherd

The U.S. doesn't support terrorists

>>4111610
>>4111615

I think you dumbasses are too dense to understand that the analogy has nothing to do with whale meat and everything to do with the high percentages of mercury inside said whale meat, which alone should discourage them from their feverish whaling.
If the Japs want to perpetuate their trumped-up "whaling traditions" and keep gnawing on their biological timebombs, then all the better, but at one condition: no organization should come to their rescue when they all start dropping dead by the thousands from food poisoning.
Let them have a repeat of the Minamata disease if they want to.

>>4111684
>implying Japanese school children shouldn't be helped if they develop chronic Mercury poisoning symptoms just because people in their country hunt a certain variety of sea creature that they have no knowledge or control over just because you're butthurt

Sure glad you're not in a position of power.

hahaha owow japanese as a conservative society get in average much older than your western scum societies run by the global corporate fascist state. Why is that? First profits but second comes to get rid of the useless eaters. Have fun with your manufactured GMO food you fucking piece of socialist ecofascist shit

>>4111684
Um...you do know how little the Japanese actually whale for food, right? If anything, they should worry about the huge amount of mercury they receive from having so much fish in their diet.

>>4111706
>butthurt retard from /a/

Sure is conservative redneck in this thread.

>>4111714
You again. Just for the record, based on your posts, I can see your underage. Please retreat from participating in political discussions, even on 4chan. Thanks.

>>4111714
>I don't agree with something in this thread I probably have very little knowledge of, they must be republican rednecks!

>>4111714
You again. Just for the record, based on your posts, I can see your underage. Please refrain from participating in political discussions, even on 4chan. Thanks.

>>4111725
>bawwww he doesn't share my political beliefs why does the government allow these people to vote?

>>4111532

Animal Planet suddenly got watchable.

>>4111706
>you fucking piece of socialist ecofascist shit
>socialist fascist

You don't actually know what any of those words mean, do you? You racist white supremacist nigger.

Personally I believe that you should not kill whales. Not in this day and age. But I understand that the Japanese still want to eat it.

>>4111731
>failing to quote
>failing to put forward any conceivable reason why the Japanese could possibly be perceived as "in the wrong" in this incident
>flinging ad hominem attacks

Underage B&

>>4111735
Back off, you communist capitalist pig

>>4111735
Fascists were socialists

I don't support either party. Both are faggots.

>>4111740
>>failing to put forward any conceivable reason why the Japanese could possibly be perceived as "in the wrong" in this incident
>failing to notice I never put forth my position on the matter

>>4111751
Then what the fuck are you complaining about?

>>4111759
That's my line.

>>4111735
You know that even scholars had to agree to differentiate communism / socialism as the plain ideology which is nothing else than a fictional utopia from the real socialism the world had come to see up to this point.
In Germany the national-socialist became a fascist totalitarian regime, the soviets became a authoritarian regime run as a scientific dictatorship.

Protip: Every socialist order has to become totalitarian / authoritarian, otherwise people would not want to keep up with it. Maybe that's radical for you because you have been bombarded with fictional stories by pop culture like Star Trek.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_KnBKriGog

http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/news-100107-1.html
They are honest people like an Australian.

>>4111768
You seem to think I'm a socialist. I think socialism is retarded. However, it isn't fascism.

Fascism's economic policy centres around corporatism, not socialism. In fascist Italy big business THRIVED. And fascists have always hated communists; look at the Reichstag Fire incident in Nazi Germany as well as the fact that communists were killed as part of the holocaust.

>>4111768
>fascists
>socialist

You don't know what you're talking about, do you?

>>4111781
I thought fascism was just another word for ultra nationalism.

>>4111781
There's more common in them than you think. Both crave for total centralized power and that is what really counts.
The socialist regimes of the future will include corporate-state mergers and NGO outsourcing for more efficient control.

>>4111788
No, you're thinking of "patriotism"

>>4111650
>Whales are just sea-cows.

Retarded comparison. For starters, cows reproduce at a quicker rate than whales because of farmers forcing periodical breeding to make up for the empty space left by the killed cattle. By contrast, whales hardly mate if not in ideal environmental conditions, away from human meddling.
Secondly, their biological cycle is faster than a whale's, which makes the impact of widespread market demand completely negligible. After a year, cows have already reached adulthood and are ready to be sent to the slaughterhouse. Now, go check how big a baby has gotten after just one year.

I ask you question.
What time did your country stop whaling in?
From the time, do you love whales?

>>4111650
>Whales are just sea-cows.

Retarded comparison. For starters, cows reproduce at a quicker rate than whales because of farmers forcing periodical breeding to make up for the empty space left by the killed cattle. By contrast, whales hardly mate if not in ideal environmental conditions, away from human meddling.
Secondly, their biological cycle is faster than a whale's, which makes the impact of widespread market demand completely negligible. After a year, cows have already reached adulthood and are ready to be sent to the slaughterhouse. Now, go check how big a baby whale has gotten after just one year.

>>4111797
>Both crave for total centralized power and that is what really counts
Er, no, that's not really what counts. Monarchy also has that, but you don't have people calling pre-Enlightenment monarchies socialist or fascist.

tl;dr centralisation != socialism

This is what amerikkans really believe, because the corporate media said so

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZArebYZzdc

>>4111808

Before I answer, I have a question for you instead. When did Japan start whaling?
The answer is after WWII, as per the Americans' suggestion. So why are you so hell bent on keeping hunting whales if it's not even something hardwired in your cultural tapestry?

>>4111797
>socialism
>crave for total centralized power

Socialism means common ownership. It's the exact opposite of "centralized power".

>>4111826
A better question: why not?

/jp/ - Environmentalism/General

>>4111826
He's not Japanese, he's just pretending.

>>4111838

He better hope so.

>>4111808
My countrymen have always loved Whales
When we settled in around 870 AD we were whaling
We continued whaling until 2009
We will still whale in 2010, but the whaling season hasn't started

WHALE IS SO FUCKING TASTY
YEAHHH

I just ate some pizza with sliced whale on it...

>>4111851
Iceland?

>>4111814
>centralisation != socialism

I laughed. All socialist regimes are authoritarian or even totalitarian in nature depending on the circumstances.
The elite runs the society and they must have control over the public in every aspect of life otherwise the people wouldn't want to keep up with it.
Time to read some books about the Soviet Union.

Just like in 1984 which depicts a extreme version of a so-called neo-socialism regime ( => real socialism) in times of orchestrated warfare between three units of socialist regimes.

>>4111831
See that's what they teach them kiddos in school. No it's not common ownership. Just as you don't own the taxes you pay to your collectivist regime.

>>4111859
>All socialist regimes are authoritarian or even totalitarian in nature depending on the circumstances.

This is the truth. However, socialism is not NECESSARILY totalitarian. Totalitarianism is not explicitly a part of socialism; it is just how it has been implemented in the (notably few) governments that have taken up socialism as their core ideology.

It's obvious to me that everything you know about political ideology comes from conservative American 'education'.

Shepard.

>>4111800
From dictionary.com

>a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

No, I'm thinking fascism = ultra nationalism

>>4111878
And you're right. The extent to which a fascist state is ultranationalist varies; for example the Nazi German fascist state was mostly racialist (focusing on the Aryan race rather than the German nation) although it was ultranationalist as well. The Italian fascist state was almost entirely ultranationalist (focusing on the Italian nation, harking back to the 'old Roman Empire') and only had racialist overtures to appease Hitler.

>>4111858

good guess :3

>>4111891
It was a pretty easy guess, you can count the number of major whaling nations still whaling today on one hand after a couple of knife accidents.

>>4111859
>All socialist regimes are authoritarian

Like Sweden or Portugal?

>>4111873
I'm not amerikkan. And what has been stated is correct. The main problem is that we are being bombarded with liberal ideologies that promote being weak, ignorant and a slave. You are being brought up to self-inflict yourself with crimestop.

That's the reason why people like you believe in giving up your rights and liberties to some central organ that then will take of ourselves and do only good to the public.

Protip: There's only one capitalism, the one we see right now
Protip: There's only one socialsim, the one we have seen in the past
Protip: A social order based on complete equality does not exist.

People wouldn't pay taxes if the government didn't collect them by force. You understand? Stop living in your fluffy pinky softy dreamworld.

>>4111911
I wouldn't call them socialist but yes all european nations are authoritarian to some degree ruled by the main authority called the EU.

It doesn't really matter does it? Every seafaring culture has whaled at some point. Whites took so much advantage of whaling we drove them to near extinction in the first place. But we're not doing it anymore.

Whaling is a completely insignificant part of Japan's economy (not even large enough to be classified a cottage industry). Japan's government should step in like China would and use legal force to stop whaling simply to avoid international criticism. The Sea Shepherd, whale endangerment, and other hippie tears is really not important compared to national image.

>>4111911
Sweden is authoritarian compared to the other Nordic countries

>>4111301
Fuck off with your moronic attacks 24/7 at www.anon
talk.com. We don't want you there, retards. Got it already?

When did your country stop whaling from?
When did your country become the whaling objection country from?

And they are different school of thoughts or at least were in the past with the anglo-saxon one being the worst. Due to globalization which is nothing else than an expansion of power and control the anglo-saxon schools are the dominant one. What is happening in the UK is seen as a model to be implemented all round the west.

>>4111911
I would classify these nations as social democratic. My own country, England, was social democrat in the 1970s, for example. But it's not the same a socialism, although an American would undoubtedly classify it as blazing red socialism and scream hate at it.

>>4111913
Like I said before, I don't support socialism as an ideology. But when you get facts blatantly wrong I can't help but correct them.
>Protip: There's only one capitalism, the one we see right now
Untrue. Capitalism is not by itself a political ideology; classical liberalism promotes free market capitalism for example, but liberalism is the ideology there. Likewise, this 'liberalism' is what many Americans today would describe as 'conservatism' and 'Republican'. Modern liberalism is in favor of Keynesian economic principles but is also capitalist.
>Protip: There's only one socialsim, the one we have seen in the past
Also incorrect. Socialism has many different iterations; the original Marxist view is very different from the Leninist view of socialism, for example. Socialism as implemented in South America is also completely different to how it was implemented in the USSR.
>Protip: A social order based on complete equality does not exist.
Correct. However, most ideologies strive towards it:
Liberalism strives towards equality of opportunity, making everyone equally capable of sinking or swimming according to their choices in the market.

Socialism strives towards equality of result, making it so that nobody sinks too far and nobody swims too far, but so they are only within an average level of success.

>>4111913
>Protip: There's only one capitalism, the one we see right now

That's an incredibly funny statement by someone who apparently believes in silly randist delusions of capitalism being based on individualism and freedom (rather than corporate welfare and government intervention).

>>4111647
CHICKEN AND COW?!

>>4111947
Why don't you japs learn to speak English? Seriously. Every fucking country in the world has people that speak understandable English. Even the poor, shithole countries. No non-Japanese has ever communicated at the face, personal level with a Japanese because none of you speak any English. People have the impression you're from fucking Mars or something because no one's talked to a jap on the human level.

Learn some English, faggots.

>>4111985
You are Korean.

>>4111985
wwwwwwwww

>>4111959
>social democratic

Well, social democracy is a "realpolitik" strand of socialism. "We can't fight the government, so let's try to take over it and achieve what we can by that means." It doesn't have goals as far-fetched as the utopian strands, but ideologically they come from the same axioms.

>original
>Marxist

Fuck no.

>>4112025
>original
>Marxist
>Fuck no.
If you'd like to explain your objection that would help quite a lot. Marx was one of the first socialists to formally put together a manifesto of socialist theories, 'The Communist Manifesto'.

>Well, social democracy is a "realpolitik" strand of socialism. "We can't fight the government, so let's try to take over it and achieve what we can by that means." It doesn't have goals as far-fetched as the utopian strands, but ideologically they come from the same axioms.

This is correct. However, social democracy, regardless of its intentions, is not authoritarian.

Is not there the opinion except Korean which continues poaching the whale?

>>4112046
>This is correct. However, social democracy, regardless of its intentions, is not authoritarian.

Indeed... It makes the same sense as saying that conservatism is the same thing as fascism, none. Some people like to think that there's only black and white in their world

>>4112046
Marx was neither among the original socialists, nor are his theories representative of the socialist movement. You're right that there are several strands of socialism, but you seem to imply they all come from the root of Marxism. No.

>not authoritarian

That's what I said, too.

>>4112054
Assuming every criticism against Japan comes from Koreans is seriously stupid. Please don't tell me you guys actually believe this. There are plenty of white, treehugging, sayoku liberals who condemn whaling in America and around the world. Like that bitch from Heroes? The one with the tits?

Point is, whaling accounts for what, less than .01% of Japan's economy? Even if you really do take in a thousand whales per year, that's nothing compared to real livestock and agriculture industries. So what the fuck do you whale for? National pride? Tradition? It's not worth the international criticism.

>>4112095
>That's what I said, too.
Then what was your point in bringing up social democracy as a derivation of socialism, given your original point was that socialist states are always authoritarian? I don't agree with socialism, but something is not bad simply because it has roots in socialism.

>Marx was neither among the original socialists, nor are his theories representative of the socialist movement. You're right that there are several strands of socialism, but you seem to imply they all come from the root of Marxism. No.
Most of socialist theory today stems originally from Marxism. It does not stem directly from Marxism, but frequently Marxist overtures are used in manifestoes of socialist parties, for example. Russian communism has a direct lineage down from Marxist socialism to various iterations of socialist theory by the various different communist leaders.

>>4111959
Not wrong but just realistic. Reality checks are very important.

>>4111947
NEVER
NEVER

>>4111931

So your conclusion is that we should let the Japanese continue the job from where we left?

"Why, yeah. We almost killed every single specimen of this species, but thankfully we swore off hunting them before it was too late. Now let's leave it to Japan, a country of over 130 mouths to feed, to kill whatever is left. And Heaven forbid speaking against it, because we are as much guilty as them even though the situation wasn't nearly as dire as today."

>>4111931

So your conclusion is that we should let the Japanese continue the job from where we left?

"Why, yeah. We almost killed every single specimen of this species, but thankfully we swore off hunting them before it was too late. Now let's leave it to Japan, a country of over 130 million mouths to feed, to kill whatever is left. And Heaven forbid speaking against it, because we are as much guilty as them even though the situation wasn't nearly as dire as today."

Protip:
What you call the social democrats or New Labour is not a matter any longer. They have killed themselves in Europe because reality doesn't work out like in some written ideological papers.

And you won't find any differences in the policies of the major parties in Europe. The gravitational center of power does not allow that.
Same reason why socalist regimes will always end up like in the past.

>>4112116
Most of the socialism in developed countries stems from the english fabian socialism. Marx is only used in the most "revolutionary" kinds of socialism.

>>4112163
No, my conclusion is Japan should stop whaling to maintain a reputable image. If they do that then your boohoo-poor-whales-and-dolphins shit becomes irrelevant, doesn't it?

>>4112173
>What you call the social democrats or New Labour is not a matter any longer. They have killed themselves in Europe because reality doesn't work out like in some written ideological papers.

Please stop using protips to try and lend authority to your opinions.

What I called social democrats were the Labour Party in the 1970s. The Labour Party has changed dramatically since then. After the 70s it wasn't elected again until 1997, by which time it had changed leadership styles into a more traditionally liberal government styling itself after the neoliberal ideologies of the Conservative Party. While not as capitalist as the Conservatives (who were, throughout the 80s and early 90s, much like Reagan) they are certainly not social democrat.

>And you won't find any differences in the policies of the major parties in Europe. The gravitational center of power does not allow that.
This is true, but it's not a result of ideology, per se; it is more that politicians have realized that they can promise everything to voters and then not do anything in particular once they are elected. See also: Tony Blair, Barack Obama.

>>4112175
You are right about Fabian socialism, but such socialism is not the socialism we're talking about when we talk about 'socialist regimes' and 'authoritarian socialist countries'. Fabian socialism is more like social democracy.

>>4112116
Erm... I was the guy who brought up Sweden. Never assume there's only one person posting apart from you.

>Most of socialist theory today stems originally from Marxism.

As do many non-socialist ones. Marxism is just that good of an economical/sociological theory, so it got incorporated into many different schools of thinking. But that's the philosophical/scientific part of his work.

Marx's political views are a completely different story - while they form a major strand of communism, the communism itself is nowadays just a minor strand of socialism, no matter how you look at it.

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Soviet_Story

"The Soviet Story", a documentation about the soviet system. Get this off the internet, hopefully this will be the last time I have to see people defending socialism on 4chan

>>4112175
If Japan stops whaling,
When the human will lose culture of the whaling.

>>4112217
You believe soviet system was socialist?

Maybe you believe China is a communist country, too?

China is a communist country

>>4112233
The Soviet system was undoubtedly socialist. The problem is when most Americans consider socialism to be undoubtedly Soviet.

>fabian socialism

More like Brave New World style total population control. Only works you can get complete control over the children and inject them with your ideologies from birth to death. Meaning no family structures, no in fact any kind of bond beyond the level of an acquaintance will not be tolerated in such a system and if you feel unease you are free to get your daily dose of soma.
Also only varying sex partners allowed, herp now look around you derp.

Protip: This is not a coincidence.

Even the term of allowed is kind of wrong as after some generations creating bonds will be an alien concept for the inhabitants of the totalitarian system)

>>4112246
For the first three years after the revolution.

>>4112243
Nah they are a totalitarian regime and state-capitalist

>>4112261
Please learn to distinguish between real life and fictional novels. Thank you.

>>4112233
What I try to convey is that most people, especially the leftist liberals, have a very wrong impression what socialism in reality is.
It's not wonderland. You can't create equality and wealth out from thin air (no that's not even true for monetary policies, with Fiat you just project the time of bloody payback into the future)

Judging socialism or marxism on what the Soviet Union and China have done is like judging Einstein's relativity theories on the fact that he one day ran someone over with a car. It's irrelevant. The only thing that can be used to judge an ideology is the effects of the ideology itself.
Stalin wasn't a byproduct of Marx's theory. He was what happens when someone hijacks a country while using an ideology as a shield for his wrongs.
By the way, Marx's theories are absolutely fantastic from an economical point of view and provide a great frame for analyzing society. There's no need to be a communist to understand the truth in his works when it comes to capitalism.

>>4112292
>leftist liberals
Whenever you use this phrase, it becomes obvious that you really have no clue what liberalism actually is.

Please read up on classical liberalism and modern liberalism.

>>4112278
I see. So you don't know who the author of BNW is right? He was born into the British establishment and his brother was a high-level technocrat in the UN, founder of the eco-socialist propaganda organ WWF and the first director of the global-socialist-eductation propaganda organ UNESCO.

And you should show your gratitude for Aldous, because of his courage to warn the so-hated commoners in these circles of power about the plans of the authoritarian neo-socialist agenda of UN.

>>4112306
Terms are of no importance because of newspeak. The modern liberal believes socialism is a good think, capitalism and religion are the root of the evil and people in the west must hate themselves and give up their rights and privileges to save Gaia.

>>4112359
Yes, and Marx was born in an upper class family and has never worked a day of manual labor. All his life was paid for by Engels.
Your point is?

>>4112306
Actually, by using this phrase he appears to know what liberalism is and that he has to qualify is with adjective "leftist" to convey what he actually means.

I believe it's a coincidence, but he's not in the wrong on this particular thing.

/jp/ - socialist international conference

The country supporting SS is Australia and U.S.A. and China and Korea.
Are there the other countries?

>>4112370
Terms are of no importance because of newspeak. The modern conservative believes exploitation is a good think, socialism and critical minds are the root of the evil and people in the west must hate themselves and give up their rights and privileges to make profit.

See ? Anyone can misrepresent the opposing force.
Also, do you know what a privilege is ? I wouldn't flaunt having privileges if I were you.

>>4112219

More like, what's the point of keeping said made-up "culture" still alive in this day and age?
We might as well create a reserve where people can eat each other to keep a "culture of cannibalism" alive while we are at it.

>>4112376
He had access to the inner circles of the leading technocrats and could listen to the plans of social engineering brought to you by corporate and NGO funds. The sexual revolution and feminism is part one part of it.
Free sex = lesser bonds = better control

The anglo-amerikan banking establishment founded the UN and it's sister organizations.

>>4112381
No. Saying Liberal Leftists is like saying hot ice.
A liberal leftist would be someone in favor of a free economy planned by the government.

>>4112415
You should understand what I meant by 'leftist liberal'.

>>4112415
Leftism does not mean government planning.

>>4112415
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics#Economics

>>4112437
>Most leftists favor some form of government intervention in the economy.
Government intervention is akin to planning. The only difference is the scale. From choosing to save one bank but not another to choosing what cars the citizens need, there is one step.

Yes, libtards.

Libtards like animals more than they like their own race.

>>4112472

Batten down the hatches, Athens has arrived!

>>4112472
I think athens has something akin to that megaphone program the jews use to monitor the internet.
Except his is dialed to women and socialism as keywords.

The real purpose of things like environmentalism isn't to 'save the planet', it's merely a proxy for critical theorist Marxists to attack White Western Civilization. They can use environmentalism to paint a picture of wasteful westerners on the one hand and third worlders living in harmony with nature on the other, it all goes back to leftist ideas about the 'noble savage'. That's the same reason Leftists are Atheists, an absence of belief isn't the point, the fact they can use Atheism as a proxy to attack White Western Civilization is the point.

And they have been remarkably successful!

The next 50 years will be spent trying to piece back together all the fruit of marathon that the leftists decided to destroy.

/jp/ - Politics/General

>>4112472

>>4112533
NOTICE THE PROGRESSION.
RELEVANCE TO TRUE MARXISM IS A FUNCTION OF ONE'S FACIAL HAIR.

>>4112542
I'd just like to interject for a moment...

I am reminded or Richard Matthew Stallman.

>>4112542
wha-!?