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Time to talk about fan interpretations you like/hate. How far are you willing to suspend your disbelief? Have you noticed any interpretations changing or dying out?
To note a recent-ish example I feel like there's been less "psycho Flan" ever since ZUN fleshed her out a bit more in CDS + Gouyoku Ibun. Though I could just be imagining things.

>> No.41068132
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I wish more people explored the idea of Larva being a Tokoyo God. There's a lot of interesting layers to it, from the cult of Tokoyo no Kami itself, to the concept of Tokoyo in Japanese literature. There's a lot of potential for an interesting story. I've only ever seen a single doujin explore the idea, and a couple of artists depicting Larva as a God or even just making a joke about it.
It's unfortunate.

>> No.41068159
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Flandre x Rumia is super cute. They're both blonde, have red eyes, have similar hairstyles and are human eating psychos. Seeing these two put their violent tendencies aside and get together lovingly is fascinating. It warrants a Yuri doujin.

>> No.41068158

I like Psycho Flan

Not for be generic or nothing, but, it's because the idea ins't bad at all

Imagine being 500 years locked on your room only because you "like it"

>> No.41068191

>>41068159
>similar hairstyles with red eyes
You basically just described about half of all 2hu characters. The designs of these girls is so fucking boring, I don't get why anyone is into this shit unless they like frilly dresses and want to fuck a 3000 year old in an 8 year old's body.

>> No.41068213

>>41068191
99% of the fanbase are actual pedophiles, transexuals and massive autists fyi

>> No.41068290

>>41067895
Why did you recreate this topic when it died off?

>> No.41068300

>>41068158
hey! I AM locked in my room because I like it!
unless you would rather say flan suffers from crippling anxiety

>> No.41068314

>>41068290
You just answered your own question

>> No.41068338

>>41068300
Yeah! i am flandre and i have social anxiety!

Such a social anxiety that i don't leaved my room in 500 years!!!!

>> No.41069226

>>41068338
I would have sex with you so much if you were flandre

>> No.41071175
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You could've changed the wording rather than just copy pasting the OP.
Anyway when it comes to fanon vs canon, I feel like there are some who take the official manga too seriously; they don't realize these are meant to tell a story and shouldn't be taken at face value when it comes to characterization. Hell, the whole cutesokyo vs grimsokyo debacle is an egregious example of retards not realizing canon Gensokyo dances between both based on the situation.
At the end of the day even ZUN prioritizes getting his ideas across rather than maintaining a strict canon, and sometimes contradicts himself to do so. Even in the printworks character personalities and motivations shift to fit the story. This is nothing new, but I feel like a lot of people choose to forget it.

>> No.41071392
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Flan usually isn't psycho, just misunderstood

>> No.41072450

>>41068158
>Imagine being 500 years locked on your room only because you "like it"
you've never gone outside a day in your life have you.

>> No.41073512
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>>41067895
I find the different interpretations of the bosses for the first Touhou really interesting, minus Mima since she gets more characterization later on.

It has almost no story or dialogue, but this feeling I can best describe as lonesome due to the backgrounds and odd assortment of bosses offers some cool ideas for lore. Sariel and her status of an angel, Konngara possibly being part of the Big Four, and whatever the fuck YuugenMagan is.

>> No.41073544

>>41068158
I like it because it fits with my Flandre headcanon. Remilia pretends to be mature but is childish. Flandre pretends to be childish but is mature.

>> No.41073579

>>41071175
Canon Gensokyo can best be summed up as Grimsokyo viewed by characters for who it's cutesokyo.

For outsiders and human villagers, it's a nightmare land that they can't escape. For Reimu and co, it's a paradise build around providing endless consequence free adventures.

>> No.41075174

>>41072450
Thats impossible fuck

>> No.41075245

>>41073579

Exactly

I think Gensokyo is cute only for Reimu and Magic characters, but if you catch have some dark implications like the fact that everyone is racist or with these "Purity" Basically Nazi religions and concepts, and all of these cute characters eating people

Gensokyo is these places that have a cute face and a Dark inside

I like it

>> No.41075346

>>41075245
>all of these cute characters eating people
But thats literally not true. Only a couple characters are youkai who even do that in folklore, and even those (Like Kasen) are generally shown to move past that years ago.
In fact Yukari seems to get rid of majority of man-eaters and other troublemakers during 1st lunarian war. Those who remain are mostly animal-like one like that wolf creature they killed in FS.

>> No.41075438

>>41071392
Pretty much my thought on her, I consider her being more like a product of what she thinks she should be, contrasting with Remilia who also has a shade of self-expectation.
Flan thinks she should be a terrifying fearsome being and even has the power to back it up, whereas Remi thinks they should be a noble and thus covers up her own childishness.
Touhou 17.5 her motivation is to beat up Yuuma for basically being indestructible, to the point of training against her own vampiric weakness of water thanks to Okina's guidance so we can assume internally she absolutely LOATHES the idea of her power being invalidated. This is also pointed out by how her power is the only one described by being able to destroy "absolutely" anything.

>> No.41075447

FLAN IS NOT FOR SEX :((

>> No.41075561

>>41075346
Ah sorry

But the racist part is true

>> No.41075596
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>>41067895
I feel like I dislike a great amount of stereotype and IOSYS fueled opinions like Meiling spending more time asleep than awake, neet Kaguya, Reisensexual Junko or cleptomaniac Marisa, but when I try to focus on one of them to rant more about it, I seem to find it more tolerable. Weird.
The only one I can't bring myself to feel fine about is Reimu eating dirt because she's poor haha please laugh. And the overly sexual ones like lolicon Sakuya or pantyshot obsessed Aya.

>> No.41079164

>>41068159
Them being friends is my preferred option. Makes Rumia feel a bit more connected to the cast instead of being a random outsider. I know the same could be said for Cirno, but it's Cirno, she's a different case.

>> No.41079509

>>41079164
It's funny because I don't believe Rumia ever had contact with the SDM cast

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>>41075596
Some of those are exaggerations of canon traits done for laughs, so I don't mind too much even if they can get tiring.
One I can't stand is psycho Koishi. It hones in on a single aspect of her unconscious actions and turns her into edgy knife murderer. She gets it even worse than Flan because of her popularity.

>> No.41080265

>>41079509
To be fair Rumia has also had basically no appearances outside cameos. Though I think one of said cameos was at Remilia's party in SSiB.
>>41079558
People forget that whole thing was just Koishi trying to look psycho to join in on the Urban Legend fun.

>> No.41080418

>>41080265
Imagine being Rumia and holding the dubious honor of being the only Scarlet Devil character who has never been playable.

>> No.41080428
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41080428

NOT
FOR
SEX >:0

>> No.41080433

>>41080418
Sad she got cut from Hisou.

>> No.41080630

>>41071175
Some people just want a chance to jab at mainstream behaviour of liking cute things and making fanon around it by driving the narrative into another end of the spectrum.
Like sure, Aya and Hatate aren't lovey dovey lesbian couple, but the recent CDS chapter made some people seems to legit think Hatate would watch Aya burn and eat her remains afterwards.
Publishing pictures of Aya in defeat is pretty normal for a rival.

>> No.41080665

>>41075245
Honestly, a lot of them aren't even dark implications as much as just straight up said outright. Like the human villagers being viewed as cattle or outsiders basically only getting brought to Gensokyo to die horribly.

>>41075346
A lot of man eating Youkai are still around considering being a outsider has a death rate only slightly below going to visit Somalia while wearing a dress made of diamonds. If Yukari got rid of any of them, it was mostly the once that would eat locals. Which isn't that surprising considering she herself almost certainly eats people.

There are also plenty of Youkai that don't eat people but still murder them. Like Murasa, Medicine, and Letty. Even the characters that don't activily go out of their way to kill people are still generally pretty sociopathic.

>> No.41080673

>>41075596
>The only one I can't bring myself to feel fine about is Reimu eating dirt because she's poor haha please laugh.
I wish it was canon just because Reimu deserves to be miserable. It's not though, Reimu isn't exactly rich but she's basically the bitch queen of Gensokyo and isn't really wanting for anything.

>> No.41080678

>>41080630
Aya and Hatate are rivals first and foremost. They don't like each other, but I doubt they would go for straight up murder. If only because Tengu are somewhat civilized and murdering rivals is only acceptable when humans are involved.

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>>41071392
>>41075438
What about how she was in the detective satori?
She seems to not care much about Meiling's life the moment she finds out that she could possibly be a traitor and instantly moves to kill (?) her. Why is this? Does she not care much about others if they become useless to Remilia?

>>41080428
agreed

>> No.41080701

>>41080630
>Some people just want a chance to jab at mainstream behaviour of liking cute things and making fanon around it by driving the narrative into another end of the spectrum.
Exactly, sometimes the manga threads here have these reactions and it baffles me. They overblow joke panels and small interactions out of spite for fanon. It's stupidly inflexible, no better than the headcanon shit they hate.

>> No.41080703

>>41080680
People often tend to confuse being psychotic with just being a asshole. Flandre does view people as toys, but not in a "I will name him george" kind of way. She just views everybody else, expect maybe Remilia and Sakuya, as beneath her. They exist for her gratification, and that's all the value they have.

Remilia is a bit like that as well, but she's both inwardly immature and outwardly mature than her sister. Which means her selfish attitude is generally covered in a polite veneer of civility.

>> No.41080773

>>41080680
Flandre is basically a 10 year old so she's very impulsive.

>> No.41080812

Every small cute 2hu = my daughter.

>> No.41080814

>>41079558
>>41080265
>One I can't stand is psycho Koishi. It hones in on a single aspect of her unconscious actions and turns her into edgy knife murderer.
>People forget that whole thing was just Koishi trying to look psycho to join in on the Urban Legend fun.
Have you actually read her dialogues throughout the games or is your only exposure to Koishi a ReimuA clear of SA EX?

>> No.41080827

>>41080812
yes

>> No.41081100

>>41080428
What a bunch of nonsense. Flan was made for sex, she was created for it, forged by it, molded throw it. All she is, is Sex. Her Body is Sex. Her personality is Sex. Her name might as well be Sex. How else would you explain the fact that she puts all the Love, Sex and Firtility Goddess to shame? Face it, breeding is all the younger scarlet sister is good for. (With me that is)

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>>41081100
*shoots* you*

>> No.41081231

>>41081173
*covers Flan with my population pudding*

>> No.41081266

>>41081231
that's not really flan it's just a part of yourself you made to look like her

>> No.41081282

>>41080814
Psychopath = mental disorder defined by unstable aggression
Koishi is not a psychopath even if some of her dialogue might insinuate that. Her personality is shaped by her lack of conscious which makes her a free spirit. You see this in SA when she goes to Moriya Shrine looking to power up her own pets after witnessing Okuu, or in HM when she refuses to give up the old mask of hope because she’s enjoying herself in the religious war. Autistic or even sociopath would be more fitting for her.
I’m not saying she can’t have sporadic violent episodes, in fact it would be weird if she didn’t have any. I just hate it when people see Koishi as nothing but a mentally unstable killer. It's such a boring interpretation.

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You know, in the age where we have a ton of print works that kind of contradict each other and the games make me kind of miss the 2011 age where people mostly made shit up. At least then we didn't have a ton of people yelling at each other using two different sources.

>> No.41081623

>>41081284
yes

>> No.41083498

>>41080678
Hatate respect Aya to some degree and took her advice/example of actually going outside for scoop. I say it's not even downright hate, they just have differing opinions on top of competing in newspaper, and that made them snarky and critical to each other.
It's like Byakuren and Miko, who despite going at each other's throat in terms of ideal they can still work together.

>> No.41083671

>>41081284
that's why I still make shit up when i'm talking about touhou

>> No.41084480

>>41081282
Fanworks usually don't have the length and the scope to explore every facet of a character all at the same time, especially if it's something like fanarts, where you're the most likely to find this type of representation for Koishi.
You can't exactly blame people for entertaining a murderous portrayal of a girl whose idea of fun is massacring and pillaging peaceful humans. It's just one of the many traits of the character.

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Touhou Igyoukyo Grotesque Land Story
was such a wild ride. I wish more fans would create more works like those.

>> No.41085433

>>41085342
Looks cringe

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I love Noukarin, best version of Yuuka.

>> No.41086579

>>41080680
>What about how she was in the detective satori?
She's a direct sort of person, to her getting rid of a threat ASAP is the best course of action.
There isn't much to read into there sadly, just a tinge of paranoia that probably points as to why she masks herself as a tyrannical little sister of the devil.

>> No.41086636

please tell me how to draw canonically accurate koishi and Ran

>> No.41087438

>>41086636
Koishi = young adolescence, around 10-15
Ran = 20s to middle-aged woman, you're free to give her big boobs

>> No.41087494

>>41086636
Koishi is a teenage goblin. Ran has huge tits because Yukari needs pillows.

>> No.41099204

>>41086636
Give them both big tits. The bigger the better.

>> No.41099424

>>41086636
ZUN said Ran is "fairly tall" (so a tier below Sakuya, Meiling and Yukari).

>> No.41099938

>>41099424
Fairly tall for a Japanese woman is like 165 cm. Sakuya, Meiling and Yukari are notably not Japanese so they're taller probably 170 cm.

>> No.41104634

>>41099938
There are short gaijins too.

>> No.41116103

>>41104634
t.small brown

>> No.41128246

>>41068158
i like being in my room

>> No.41128377

>>41068158
>Imagine being 500 years locked on your room only because you "like it"
NEETs are a thing anon. If they were immortal and had magic maids bring them everything they'd totally do that. Especially if they have additional incentive from the sun hurting them.

>> No.41128549

>>41104634
But that's not as common

>> No.41129912

>>41073579
correct
basically for humanity (excluding the incident resolvers) is oppressed and gensokyo is a paradise for youkai only

>> No.41131094

>>41104634
Yukari is Euro and probably taller
Meiling is Chinese so she’s probably shorter, and Sakuya could be either Euro or Asian

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