/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Let's talk about Fate/Stay Night?

Not true. We also talk about sugoi visual novels like Flyable Heart.

>>4105334
Okay, F/SN thread.
I've yet to get around to finish HF due to lack of motivation. Is there any reason why I should read it, anyway?

>>4105343
Penis worms & Kotomine.

>>4105342
Translation when?

>>4105343
Ilya,Rider and Kotomine

>>4105342

>FRYABLE HEART

Heart_in_Frying_pan.jpg

This board and /sp/ share one thing in common; They actually like their hobby. Fuck off back to /v/ or /a/.

>and not want to end your pathetic existence?

There are probably quite a few people here who wouldn't mind doing that.

But I don't talk about any of that.

...Would you like some?

>>4105327
>not want to end your pathetic existence?
I'd love to, but I don't have the courage.

>>4105371
This.

Still waiting for a Caster route

I still belive

>>4105376
It's coming along with the Taiga route.

>How can you talk about nothing
Welcome. Enjoy your stay.

True NEETs learn to live with extreme boredom much like other organisms learn to live in extreme environments like sulfur vents at the bottom of the ocean.

>and not want to end your pathetic existence
trust me I would if I didn't have people who cared for me.

But I do. I'm suicidal, I haven't done it because I don't want to upset my mother.

>>4105441
>have people who cared for me.
>/jp/

You crack me up, /jp/. You and your delusions of grandeur.

>>4105327
You can lurk on more than one board, you know.
/jp/ provides plenty of interests and you can enjoy it at a slow pace. There's nothing wrong with it.

Typical /jp/ thread.

Note the suicidal tendencies and lack of motivation to better themselves.

>>4105347

Almost normal Shirou.

>jpop idols
I'm offended that you would lump me together with those 3d-loving faggots. They insist on creating thread part 1billion, not I.

Suicide is stupid, no matter how bad your life is. Look, you've beaten the odds. Do you know the odds of you existing? Out of everything that has happened, the formation of this rock, the years of evolution, through out it all, you still came into existence. Who the fuck cares what you do with your life, just don't piss it away by killing yourself.

>>4105482
Your excessive bawwwing sustains me

>>4105471
But I'm a #bun regular.

Typical /jp/ thread, so much shit that its dripping drop onto the floor.

>>4105343
Just skip over the boring parts. Trust me, you're not missing anything important.

>>4105450
unlike you, my browsing of this site remains a secret to all.

>>4105484
I don't even believe in any kind of afterlife, but not existing has to be better than this retarded stagnation.

Seriously, if this is supposed to be some kind of "blessing," then I don't want it.

I'm waiting for umineko to end, can't kill myself yet.

>>4105484
HEY LOOK! IT'S ONE OF THOSE RETARDS WHO BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION!

It cracks me up when people attempt to claim that DNA simply encoded itself randomly. God made you, there were no "odds" involved in your birth.

>>4105545
ShKanontrice is the culprit.
No parallel world shit, everything we saw was actually a fiction.
Amakusa is Battler.
There, the ending.

>>4105547
Evoluton is my waifu, don't say such horrible things against her. You don't see me telling you that 2D characters don't exist and that you'll never be loved by them, do you?

>>4105547

>>4105547
>HEY LOOK! IT'S ONE OF THOSE RETARDS WHO BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION!
Oh God, please stop existing. It's not up for discussion, evolution is a proven fact. You cannot "not believe in it," just like you cannot "not believe" in Maxwell's equations.

Everyone I've argued on the Internet about evolution actually had absolutely no idea of what evolution actually was about. They were also all Americans.

Why are Amerikkkans so dumb?

>>4105575
I don't need you to tell me they don't exist because they obviously don't and anyone who thinks they do is medically ill.

Kinda like evolution. They're the dipshit sect of scientists.

>>4105547
Who the hell BELIEVES in Evolution?

It just happens, no-one needs to actually BELIEVE in it.

>>4105547
Hey, poster you're replying to. Even better if you believe in God, as you're life has even more significance.

>>4105625
>Why is the rest of the world so dumb?

Good question. DNA is proof that God exists, anyone who says otherwise is a delusional retard. Extremely complex codes don't just "evolve" if you give it enough time, just like a junkyard won't magically create a functional car if you let the parts sit there for 10 billion years.

>>4105575
>>4105584
>>4105625
>>4105647
>>4105651
>seriously responding to a troll

How far you've fallen, /jp/

>>4105656
>hurf durf i are trollan.
Fuck you /jp/ for even replying.

>>4105647
Because there are people who recognize genetic diversity and that it allows evolution, and then there are idiots are blow evolution out of proportion and use it to try and refute the existence of God.

>>4105656
>>4105651
It's true! Of course, the REAL question is, WHO CREATED GOD
No complex being who is omnipotent can come about out of nowhere, just like if you leave an empty space long enough a universe won't suddenly appear.

>>4105665
What. /jp/ could never resist putting idiots in their place.

>>4105670
>Anon makes a solid argument against evolution.
>Athiest replies with HURR DURR HE'S TROLLAN DON'T LISTEN TO HIM

You guys are just as bad as the fags pushing global warmi- I mean "climate change". Gee golly, THE CLIMATE IS CHANGING GET IN YOUR BOMB SHELTERS!

Obligatory religion post

>>4105692
Oh boy you aren't samefagging at all, no sir.

>>4105679
Nobody knows how God came into being simply because humans cannot even begin to comprehend things beyond are limited perceptions of reality. We can't even observe the nucleus simply because our eyesight doesn't allow it, yet some people have the balls to say they understand how the universe was created.

Most of these atheist faggots are underageb& who never even took anything beyond high school physics yet they think they know it all because they've been brainwashed.

>>4105692
>Anon makes a solid argument against evolution
I laughed so hard.

>>4105656
You're either an idiot or a clever troll mimicking your average Internet idiot perfectly. Look, I'm not going to bother arguing with you because you clearly don't have any bases to understand this. In the same way I wouldn't try to bother explaining the theory of relativity to a 5th grader.

In fact, the problem with evolution is that it can actually be put into words. If it was just equations and shit, no one would be able to horribly misinterpret it, reduce it to retarded postulates that are obviously wrong and then argue against those basic, wrong statements.

And by the way, evolution and the Christian religion can match perfectly. I'm a Christian. Darwin was Christian and believed in God. None of the Christian people I know have anything against religion because they aren't retarded.

It's just America would has a problem with it, and I have no idea why. What, just because it goes against some parts in a book that no one took for real before that, anyway? I mean, come on, don't tell me you believe in everything that is written in the Bible LITERALLY. Not even my Middle School Religious Studies teacher believed in Adam and Eve or how the Earth is only 6000 years old.

It's retarded fundies like you, who take everything literally that make the sane Christians look bad.

Since when was eyesight ever a limitation to what we can see?

>>4105715
Is that the best you can come up with? Accusing me of samefagging?

Enjoy your delusions dipshit. I'll be laughing when your day of judgment comes and you shit your pants in front of God and beg for forgiveness.

>>4105735
That should be:
>None of the Christian people I know have anything against evolution because they aren't retarded.

Durr.

>>4105441
>>4105447

It's not really love, it's evolutionary instinct. Your parent's love for you is really a desire to pass on their genes.

>>4105656
>like a junkyard won't magically create a functional car if you let the parts sit there for 10 billion years
What the fuck do you know? Have you ever tried it?

I have. The car people are so cash.

>>4105730
>We can't even observe the nucleus simply because our eyesight doesn't allow it
I like that. There's no such thing as love, black holes, or China because you've never seen it with your eyes, right?

>>4105746
Since forever? Heisenberg's uncertainty dumbass.

>>4105656
We've done experiments well controlled settings simulating conditions on the early Earth and literally made DNA from "nothing". I'll spare you the details since you probably aren't listening anyways

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW!?

>>4105765
I'm talking about the inability to see anything beyond what an electron microscope allows us to see due to the nature of photons. Also, love was created by Hallmark to make money and you're an idiot for believing in it.

I happen to enjoy my life, thanks. Touhou and Umineko are fun.

>>4105747
If you're for real, then you're a terrible Christian. I bet you're among those people who use one liners from the Bible as their excuse to hate gay people.

I'm so glad only America has it this bad. I'd probably become an atheist if Christians around here acted like you, just so I wouldn't get lumped in with absolute retards.

Stop giving Christianity a bad name.

>>4105772
You're not helping your case. Making DNA implies someone making it, not it changing over time.

You would have been better to bring up the experiment which allowed DNA to form when various proteins were left in the same petri dish as each other.

>>4105800
When did I say I was Christian numbnuts?

I'm a theist agnostic, I don't claim to have any answers beyond the obvious existence of a God.

>>4105772
Amino Acids, not DNA bro, last time I checked.

>>4105800
>implying he's not just trolling for responses and we're playing along
You're doing it wrong.

lol religion

>>4105772
OH WOW, BEING OF A HIGHER INTELLIGENCE REPLICATED A CODE?

THAT'S TOTALLY THE SAME THING AS IT HAPPENING RANDOMLY OVER TIME VIA EVOLUTION.

DERPITY DERP DERP DA DERP

>>4105823
Amino acids can fairly easily organize into proteins

>>4105815
...so you believe there's a God, you're not Christian, but you fiercely and blindly deny evolution? What the hell is wrong with you?

It never occurred to you that one could just replace "random mutations" with "mutations guided by a higher being" and evolution would work perfectly? Darwin never even said anything about mutations because he wasn't aware of DNA, by the way. You just need a source of entropy for evolution to work. It could be a God, chance or whatever you want to believe in.

In fact, studying evolution only made my faith in God stronger.

But you can't deny evolution because it's a proven fact. It's like trying to deny that planes can fly.

>>4105735
>None of the Christian people I know have anything against religion because they aren't retarded.

Protip: Your "Christians" obviously aren't Christians but delusional idiots.

Also, you proved nothing, you simply called me dumb in several sentences and spouted a load of shit.

Where are these "equations"? These phylogeny trees that scientists make to try to trace evolution are laughable at best and they even admit it. There are equations that postulate how the universe works, many of which are proven wrong over time, but none that prove evolution created everything over billion of years.

>>4105895
Evolution had nothing to do with the creation of the universe. It applies to organisms and nothing else

>>4105895
>Also, you proved nothing, you simply called me dumb in several sentences and spouted a load of shit.
>>4105735
>Look, I'm not going to bother arguing with you because you clearly don't have any bases to understand this.
herp derp
Also, "bases" should probably be "basis".

>>4105895
You're and idiot. Anyone who even read the bible would know god made earth before he made the sun.

If that's the case, what would the 7 days be? Light and day in our sense are morning and night in regard to the sun.

It could be very possible that because the sun wasn't there before the earth, that these "days" could, in fact, be interpreted as billions of years.


This would tie together both science and christianity. Now will you please shut up?

Stop fighting or I'm telling Mom.

Ah yes, the classical Christian "I haven't thoroughly read any scientific theories nor did i pay attention in any Science classes. Since I don't understand these theories, or they are too complex for me to understand, they must be false, so God did it." argument.

Reported, enjoy your ban.

>>4105873
I don't deny evolution exists, I believe it exists to a certain extent. It certainly didn't create the universe and people after billions of years and invent complex codes. DNA itself is both proof that God exists to create the coding and that it also allows genetic variability so evolution can occur, but not so much as to transform animals into humans.

>>4105934
>You're and idiot.

Haha, oh wow. Way to prove you're the idiot, idiot.

>>4105955
DNA's code is not terrible complex, you know.

In fact, here it is.
The entire genetic code, right here before you in this picture.

>>4105953
Except that I have in fact taken science courses and I understand the theories just fine. None of them prove God doesn't exist.

>>4105895
If a "true Christian" is someone who believes in everything that is written in the Bible as a true fact, then there are no true Christians, because the Bible is filled with stuff that cannot possibly be taken at face value in 2010. There's just so much stuff that goes completely against basic knowledge that is available to us currently. Parts of it *must* be interpreted as stories with a moral, otherwise no one with half a brain could take it seriously.

So pick one: you either believe that the Earth is flat, that the universe is only a couple of thousand of years old, that pi = 3 and a bunch of other fun stuff or you're claiming to be a better Christian than someone else because you happen to take some other parts of the Bible literally that I don't.

If it's the former, may God have mercy on your soul. We wouldn't be blessed with intelligence if He wanted us to deny everything that is obvious and blindly follow dogma. If it's the latter, then you're just saying "SURE, I DON'T BELIEVE IN SOME STUFF IN THE BIBLE, BUT YOU'RE A BAD CHRISTIAN BECAUSE YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN THIS PARTICULAR PART I HAPPEN TO BELIEVE IN."

Why would I be a worse Christian just because I take Adam and Eve and the Book of Genesis as a story with a moral and not a factually accurate depiction of historical events, when you do the same with other particular parts of the Bible?

That's just hypocritical. You've been brainwashed by whatever brand of Church you attend and can't be bothered thinking by yourself, like a good Christian should.

>>4105989
They don't have to. God is does not exist "by default" if there are no theories that explicitly prove him nonexistent.
The burden of proof is on the one who claims "God exists"

>>4105995
lol raging atheist. how about you shut the fuck up, this is /jp/ not /angst/.

>>4105997
Whoops, grammatical mistake. In b4 he disregards my entire post ad-hominem.

>>4105997
There's also the fact that no one in here is saying God doesn't exist.

It was just one retard going "EVOLUTION IS FAKE, YOU'VE BEEN BRAINWASHED BY THE SCIENTIFIC CONSPIRACY" that started the whole thing.

>>4105955
You're also an idiot.
Here's a protip. If you want to believe in god, you should believe he didn't do anything himself. As in- he didn't physically make the DNA coding. He may have made the universe, the big bang, the laws of physics, but not the actual DNA coding.

A simple composed of just DNA, the very first organic life form, could have had a very, very simple structure. DNA, by itself, naturally reproduces. This DNA from the single organism may have reproduced on its own- and created two, and so on. Now, with given time, some of this DNA may have had an environment that allowed it to reproduce itself at a faster rate, and as the others die off in time, this one flourishes.
With simple progression like this, evolution happened, and with this environment it's carrying with it- a cell is formed. Everytime something new happens that allows it to flourish better/faster, evolution occurs.

It took billions of years for this coding to become this advanced. God didn't "just make it".

>>4106015
No, what "started it" was people actually responding (en masse I might add, oh /jp/) to a troll/utter retard

>>4106009
I'm a Christian, you fucking idiot. Read my post.

>>4105976
Sure, it's not incredibly complex, but it's certainly too complex to have been randomly made.

The fact that there's an elaborate system for transcribing and reading the code is a whole other story, not to mention that certain proteins are created via instructions from the body that are millions of lines long, and a couple wrong letters results in catastrophic failure on the cellular level. There's no randomness to it.

>>4105955
>It certainly didn't create the universe and people after billions of years and invent complex codes

Evolution creating the Universe? Do you even know what evolution is about?

>>4105989

Evolution is not there to disprove God or anything like that

>>4106037
>Evolution creating the Universe? Do you even know what evolution is about?
Getter Rays, obviously.

>>4105995
For the billionth time, I'm a theist agnostic.

Calling me a hypocritical Christian is a waste of time for both of us.

>but it's certainly too complex to have been randomly made.

>The fact that there's an elaborate system for transcribing and reading the code is a whole other story, not to mention that certain proteins are created via instructions from the body that are millions of lines long, and a couple wrong letters results in catastrophic failure on the cellular level. There's no randomness to it.
Errr.. There IS randomness. Examples of which: Cancer, caused by DNA errors.

Besides, define "too complex". For example bacteria aren't exactly complex.

>>4106029
Which is why "randomness" is just a very small factor in the whole theory that serves as a way to kickstart it, not the whole thing.

People who trash evolution seem to believe evolution actually means "leave a bunch of junk in one place, give it a million years and it will assemble into a giant robot."

>>4106029
Then how do you explain the fact that 95% of human DNA truly is random, that is, it doesn't code for shit and is just "junk"

Surely God would cut out the fat and just include the gene promoters and the genes themselves?

Oh, and it's not "randomly made" even in the scientific context. The whole thing is controlled by the basic laws of chemistry.
"UAU" doesn't code for Tyrosine "just because" it codes for it because chemically, the Legos dont line up otherwise, so to speak. Read up further on RNA transcription

Let's get something straight, people: evolution deals with lifeforms gradually turning into different sorts of lifeforms over generations. It doesn't have anything to do with the origin of the first lifeforms (that's abiogenesis), and it especially doesn't have anything to do with the origin of the universe. Those are not a part of the theory of evolution, they're just clumped in with it by ignorant christfags.

>>4106028
>I'm a Christian, you fucking idiot.

That's very Christian of you.

You raise a good question, I'm not talking about your question but a new question which dawned on me. I don't indulge myself in Umineko, TM, any VNs, or jpop idol threads. I rarely participate in the touhou threads because they are not that interesting and I don't care about doujinshi unless it has very suitable art to my tastes (I'm picky). Despite all that this has been my only board ever since the split from /a/and the only board I can somewhat enjoy. I frequent here everyday as if it is a second home to me, I wonder why? Maybe the same kin just attracts one another.

>>4106053
Yeah, and guess what? Cancer kills you.

That's my point, randomness is completely adverse to DNA.

>>4106057
>Then how do you explain the fact that 95% of human DNA truly is random, that is, it doesn't code for shit and is just "junk"

It's only "junk" because we don't understand it. Just because it doesn't code for a protein doesn't mean it's meaningless.

The "Junk DNA" makes up the if statements, for loops, and control structures.

>>4106079
The point is if enough people get errors in their DNA there's going to be some people who DON'T get cancer due to it but get changed characteristics.

>>4106079
And you can also hit a useless DNA chain in just the right spot with a gamma ray or something and get something that actually codes for a useful protein. Your logic is based on false assumption.

>The fact that there's an elaborate system for transcribing and reading the code is a whole other story, not to mention that certain proteins are created via instructions from the body that are millions of lines long, and a couple wrong letters results in catastrophic failure on the cellular level. There's no randomness to it.

Who is saying that the actual genetic code just appeared spontaneusly? It took small bacteria a billion years to even achieve the actual eukarya cell... You cannot seriously pretend that the actual genetic machinery is the same than 2 billion of years ago..

Proteins change their functions and get duplicated all the time, proteins that once were morphogenetic factor receptors are now used as immune pattern recognition proteins for instance..

And no, despite whatever you've been told by some retard teachers, not all evolution is "randomness", a big part of it is actually a pretended mishmash of protein domains to make new proteins

I'm not reading this entire thread but I still wonder how it devolved into a religion thread.

For evolution to happen, you only need two things:

1) There needs to be a bunch of things that make copies of themselves (cells, animals, etc) and
2) some of these things have to be better at it than others (this is the process of "selection", though as you can see nobody does any selecting)

That's it. Once you have that much, evolution will happen. It has been observed to happen both in laboratories and in real life (animal breeding) and the fact that it happens is used in software engineering, medicine industry etc.

>>4106057
>"UAU" doesn't code for Tyrosine "just because" it codes for it because chemically, the Legos dont line up otherwise, so to speak.

Actually UAU sure codes for tyrosine just because. Not checked that particular codon but it generally depends on how your tRNA transferase and/or tRNA itself swings and errors happen. That's why bacterial codon/aminoacid exchanges sometimes don't match with human ones.

>>4106057
It's not literally "junk" you raving retard. If you actually read past your high school biology book you would know that we simply don't know what role this "junk" DNA plays.

>>4106086
>It's only "junk" because we don't understand it. Just because it doesn't code for a protein doesn't mean it's meaningless.

>The "Junk DNA" makes up the if statements, for loops, and control structures.

This is very true, the 95% thing of junk DNA has been demonstrated false.

On the other hand one would think there'd be a better method of coding than that...

>>4106079
That reminds me, I forgot to mention the ridiculous methods of errorchecking DNA goes through. Single changes don't often get transcription errors, because there's various methods of avoiding some of them. (The ones that DIDN'T use the transcription methods died out faster)

Can we stop with the whole "Science for Dummies" thing and go back to how we should all kill ourselves?

>>4106053
Boy, bacteria are more complex than you might think.
Cancer? You might be forgetting exogenous factors that alter the DNA replication sequence, also known as carginogenics. Yes, even fucking sunlight does this.
There is randomization during procreation, but it is bound by chemical and physical situations.
Anyways, fighting over this shit is outright retarded. This thread must be deleted.
If you plan on attacking these theories, you're welcome to try. You just won't do with your life's worth of research.

>>4106105
They started by talking about suicide.

>>4106057
Addendum:

>95% of human DNA truly is random, that is, it doesn't code for shit and is just "junk"

This is wrong and you are wrong. Junk DNA is a misnomer, it has several uses such as letting the cell know that it needs to transcribe whichever gene, or to pack the DNA in this or that way.

>>4106120
It's less about religion now, and more SCIENCE (for dummies)
>>4106105
We're killing ourselves by overdosing on trolling. We're getting there.

>>4106095
Uh, no? The gamma ray simply activated the gene so it's protein could be transcribed.

The body has orders for creating proteins when they're needed, if the body randomly created proteins we would all be dead.

/jp/ - Science/Opinions

>>4106057
>Then how do you explain the fact that 95% of human DNA truly is random, that is, it doesn't code for shit and is just "junk" Surely God would cut out the fat and just include the gene promoters and the genes themselves?

Most of the junk is very well placed actually, repression and activation of genes is dependent on the 3D conformation of DNA, and the length of "junk" alters it, same with recombination, that actually mostly depends on the length of chromosomal deserts..


I'm not advocating ID. this actually is a perfect mechanism to introduce mutations that affect gene expression without altering the proteins.

>>4106117
Well no shit, if you started getting errors in DNA replication, something would happen like the protein for hemoglobin no longer actually carrying oxygen. There has to be error-checking methods for complex eukaryotes

On the other hand, the error-checking machinery is not nor will it ever be 100%. And no, these errors do not always kill you. And yes, sometimes those errors end up with positive results for the organism.

>>4106134
You just need to alter some repression sites and you'll have longer arms without losing any protein functionality, morphogenesis depends basically in activation/repression and is one of the basic driving forces of evolution..

>>4106117
The error checking rarely corrects anything, actually. The first transcription is generally dead-on and the error checking corrects maybe one letter in a million. It's more of a precaution in emergency circumstances.

>>4106164
If that one error per million was allowed to stay (especially during replication) then all of us would die quite fast though!

>>4106134
>protein
>activate gene
You are fucking retarded.
And yes, of course genes have controls. In eukaryotes, there are tons of these.
Inducible systems - An inducible system is off unless there is the presence of some molecule (called an inducer) that allows for gene expression. The molecule is said to "induce expression". The manner in which this happens is dependent on the control mechanisms as well as differences between prokaryotic and eukaryotic cells.
Repressible systems - A repressible system is on except in the presence of some molecule (called a corepressor) that suppresses gene expression. The molecule is said to "repress expression". The manner in which this happens is dependent on the control mechanisms as well as differences between prokaryotic and eukaryotic cells.

And these are all controlled at either the transcription or the gene level itself. Genes are not "turned on" by gamma rays.

>On the other hand, the error-checking machinery is not nor will it ever be 100%. And no, these errors do not always kill you. And yes, sometimes those errors end up with positive results for the organism.

Actually.. the error-checking machinery is not 100% on purpose.. most DNA polymerases have high mutation and failure rates, to induce intended mutations in immune system recombination and intron positioning.. ADNPolymerases would be completely useless if 100% error safe, a living being unable to evolve and adapt to its environment is DEAD

>>4106134
>gamma ray
>activate gene
>protein
>activate gene
You are fucking retarded.
And yes, of course genes have controls. In eukaryotes, there are tons of these.
Inducible systems - An inducible system is off unless there is the presence of some molecule (called an inducer) that allows for gene expression. The molecule is said to "induce expression". The manner in which this happens is dependent on the control mechanisms as well as differences between prokaryotic and eukaryotic cells.
Repressible systems - A repressible system is on except in the presence of some molecule (called a corepressor) that suppresses gene expression. The molecule is said to "repress expression". The manner in which this happens is dependent on the control mechanisms as well as differences between prokaryotic and eukaryotic cells.

And these are all controlled at either the transcription or the gene level itself. Genes are not "turned on" by gamma rays.

If the DNA code isn't incredibly complex why haven't we started genetically modifying humans so we can all have 14" penii and the strength of 20 gorillas?

I want my immortality, dammit.

>>4106172
>Genes are not "turned on" by gamma rays.

http://www.nature.com/onc/journal/v20/n25/abs/1204258a.html

>In these cells, ionizing radiation (2 Gy) caused activation of the MAPK pathway which was blocked by specific inhibitor drugs.

Well gamma rays in substantial quantities would make you pretty dead but radiation can and does alter gene expression. You would be hard-pressed to find something that doesn't alter gene expression.

>>4106178
In so many words, that was my point. They are not 100%, and this is a GOOD thing for long-term evolution (short term evolution, such as the classic white birch moth or Darwin's Finches are controlled more by micro-evolution and sexual genetic recombination)

>>4106186
Try not to die in the next 100 years.

Goddamn, this thread is full of nothing but Umineko and Touhou and jpop idols.

Why are you so dull, /jp/?

>>4106198
DNA is my favourite touhou

>>4106186
Even if we did do that, it wouldn't effect you.

We can change the DNA of like a single celled zygote and have it affect the final developed organism, but you'd be hard pressed to take an entire developed organism like yourself and change it's genetic code. You'd have to change the genetic code of every single cell in your body. More often than not, when you start getting genetic changes in somatic cells (like when you stand out in the sun too long) either those cells just die outright, or a few get some genetic changes that don't really affect their operation

>>4106205
There seems to be some unknown molecular machinery to avoid unwanted horizontal gene transfer.. Crap.. We must research more into these aspects

>>4106205
I realize that any genetic work we do in the near future will be on fetuses to make them immortal first since working with a fully developed human is pretty hopeless, but I WANT TO BELIEVE.

>>4106205
Actually, there's a simple way to get around that....

>>4106200
A bunch of 4komas about genetic intricacies would be pretty awesome, actually. At the very least you'd have Lysine-tan riding a massive truck marked "RNA Polymerase, Mark II". RNA Polymerase II's one hell of a protein. It is so awesome that not even scientific books praise it. Look up the Juggernaut model.

>But in the presence of N, (RNA) polymerase becomes a juggernaut as it passes over Nut and ignores the stop signal. "

Fuck yes Rna Pol II you're the best protein.

>This board is full of the dullest people on Earth.
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>>4106229
Oh and did I mention that unlike wussy DNA polymerases RNA polymerase CRUSHES EVERY HISTONE ON ITS WAY WHILE IT TRANSCRIBES. Normally there's a machinery to tell the histone to get out, a polymerase is coming. Not for RNAPol. It just comes along and the histone better get the FUCK out of the way.

>>4106214
Horizontal gene transfer is really relegated to viruses and bacteria, it rarely happens among eukaryotes.

Your best bet would be to shoot yourself full of an engineered retrovirus and pray that it effects every single somatic cell in your body without fuckups. Even then, I'm not sure how you could make a fully developed organism just start producing structures like muscle. This stuff is taken care of in the embryonic stage for a reason.

>thread turns to HEAVY DUTY SCIENCAN
>religionfag vanishes

Dohohohoho

>>4106227
What do you know?

>>4106283
Not him, but as far as I know retroviruses are your only hope.

>>4106268
What? I'm still posting.

This is hardly heavy duty science, I learned this shit years ago in high school. I'm studying bosons and waiting on experiments from the LHC to finish now. Delicious strong nuclear force must deliver its secrets to me.

>>4106254
>Your best bet would be to shoot yourself full of an engineered retrovirus and pray that it effects every single somatic cell in your body without fuckups

As long as it's only lysogenic instead of lytic...

>Even then, I'm not sure how you could make a fully developed organism just start producing structures like muscle. This stuff is taken care of in the embryonic stage for a reason.

The expression and morphogenesis of muscle cells depends directly on their sorrounding cells and the expression of these sorrounding cells.. It would be pretty hard to produce a fully developed muscle (you can perfectly induce muscle tissue invitro, I've seen people do that, but it looks like shit), the problem is that most DNA changes are irreversible ones, which kind of fucks up most chances to restart morphogenesis..

>>4106298
Actually there are several animals that can return differentiated cells into undifferentiated ones (Turritopsis nutricula I think is the most famous? ) And I think it has been done with mammals in vitro as part of the cloning experiments.

In vivo though there's interference from the other cells so the entire thing turns into a mess.

>>4106297

>I'm studying bosons

So do I, my good man!

Bosoms have always been a favorite object of study for me.

Until we find a way to essentially wash out built-up cholesterol from our circulatory system and revive dead tissues, immortality will never be reached.

Don't even get me started on curing cancer and crap like AIDs.

>>4106315
>Bosoms have always been a favorite object of study for me.
Silly person, he said bosuns, not bosoms.

>>4106313

Yeah, well the most famous ones over here are lizard tails and deer horns.. But yes, as you say there is too much interference from neighboring cells.. And we need more than differentiated cells, we need entire organs with a specific shape and that's "a bit" more complex tho

>>4106325

>Bosuns

Boatswains?

AYE AYE, CAPTAIN

>>4106325
Actually, I said bosons, not bosuns.

>>4106346
Please do ignore arc. He likes playing the retarded troll more than what should be sane for anyone, to the point that if he posts anything good he dons the anonymous mask so that no one would mistake him for anything but a retard.

>>4106298
Oh and addendum, I'm pretty sure disabling the lytic cycle is quite within our grasp nowadays. I mean, it depends on what, a single gene product for the most of the time? Just knock that one out.

>>4106364
>Oh and addendum, I'm pretty sure disabling the lytic cycle is quite within our grasp nowadays. I mean, it depends on what, a single gene product for the most of the time? Just knock that one out.

Yeah, I think we did something like that in the lab. It's been 3 years since the last time I took Microbiology... Crap, I shouldn't have forgotten what it was..

>>4106400
Pretty sure it's standard issue for viral vector production. I mean, having your target cells lyse off would be just dumb.

>>4106426
I think you could just screw up the capsid gene (it's usually a fusion gene but yeah) so that it no longer binds to RNAPoly, that's what happened in most transposable elements after all.

Ill be taking an animal transgenesis course next year.. So I guess I'll learn it there

Religion thread?