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Slowpoke.tiff

Also why'd you delete the first thread?

>>4105545
Fuck off with your moronic attacks 24/7 at www.anon
talk.com. We don't want you there, retards. Got it already?

So does Zun. I wonder why not one, but two doujin artists like the exact same British mystery novel.

DERP

>>4105559

It's because they're fucking.

>>4105559
because zun = ryukishi

Agatha Christie didn't have enough PANTSUGIRLS

And much better writing, characterization and a plot that doesn't use a retarded plot device.

So, /jp/, how far are you on you're 100 books in one year?

>>4105556
>>>/rs/Maybe_the_janitor_did_it.

>>4105559

Probably because Ryukishi loves Touhou, and so he had to make a game based off UN Owen.

An absolute pile of shit? Check.

>4105580
Do visual novels count?

Justice Wargrave is well know in Japan as Shkannontrice Wargrave

Why was it called 10 little niggers to begin with?

>>4105600
That would be too easy, so no.

>>4105622
because niggers

It was 10 little niggers, then 10 little indians and 10 little soldiers, then they finally changed to "and then there were none"

>>4105622

Because the murders were based on a poem where ten little niggers die one by one. Don't you even know what the book is about?

>>4105559

Agatha Christie is the third bestselling writer of all time.

Behind Shakespeare and God.

There should be a death sentence for being politically correct.

Hey OP!
google Beatrice Taylor

>>4105638
I haven't read it.

>>4105549
This book was mentioned in Umineko itself more than once.

But really who cares? Everything in mystery genre was done before. Many times. At least Ryu07 made Umineko quite refreshing with all this magic and midfuck going on. And I like his characters.

>>4105622
Because the rhyme was called Ten Little Niggers

>>4105648

>>4105642

It still seems extremely weird that two Japs in the same line of work would both like that novel.

If it was two Brits, it would already be a coincidence. But two people from a notoriously xenophobic culture who barely even know English?

>>4105648

Most people haven't read it, but it's common knowledge to at least know what it's about.

Like how most people haven't read Odyssey but know it's about Hercules sailing around or some shit.

>>4105658
Even money it was part of their education somehow. I know we read A.C in school.

>>4105653
And he also used the dumbed plot device ever to shape his mystery.
Agatha Christie at least respected her readers enough to no use shits like this.

>>4105657
I'm not from america, and I just never got around to play it.

You must've spent at least a couple of days doing such a deep research. Truly awesome.

>>4105669
>play it
>implying 10 little niggers is a VN

>>4105664
>Odyssey
>Hercules

...

I see your point though.

>>4105669
>play it
Oh, nack.

>>4105674
Agh, what the fuck am I writing.

I guess I'm used to saying "play" instead of "read" in this board.

>>4105669
>play
uuuuuuugh, pedroooooooooo

>>4105696
Callate pablo, anyone can make a mistake.

Did I hear someone mention an Agatha Christie VN? How about one where you play as Agatha Christie? 漆黒のシャルノス～What a beautiful tomorrow～

http://www.liar.co.jp/sharnothtop.html

Other characters include:

Arthur Conan Doyle
Charlotte Bronte
Bram Stoker
Winston Churchill
Sherlock Holmes
Baron Münchausen

I'm intrigued in this VN purely from the cast list...

>>4105668
Yeah, because Umineko is over and we know everything right?

>>4105674
Wargrave route was the best. I died the death in the end.

>>4105714
>Baron Münchausen

He BEST be the protagonist.

>>4105714
I came.

>>4105714

This really looks like it has the potential to not be shit.

I bought this and I'm waiting for it to get shipped to me.

I'm going to listen to umineko music while reading it. Then when I get to the part where I desperately try to figure out whose the murderer I'm going to be listening to Dread of the Grave endlessly.

>>4105714
kinda interesting, is there a translation project for this?

>>4105714
Translation where?

>>4105714

This is overflowing with win.

>>4105760
>>4105714
It's pretty average.
It's extremely similar to Sekien no Inganock, but Inganock was better overall.

>>4105766
Why would you need to even buy it? Like every library ever must hold like a million copies of this book.

>>4105803

Pretty much this.

Everyone on /jp/ who enjoyed Umineko should go grab a copy, right now.

>>4105851
Already read it in High School.

>>4105664
>Hercules

>>4105664

>Odyssey
>Hercules sailing around

>>4105851
Will do, but tell me, can the mystery be solved before they spoil the solution?

Considering it's one of the best selling books of all time, it's not really strange that it's been translated to Japanese and read by many.

Also, I'm surprised no one mentioned "Remote Island Syndrome" from Haruhi yet.

>>4105889
Of course it can. Because Agatha Christie isn't a hack.

>>4105714

Can I become a byronic hero for Jane Eyre?

>>4105896
DOWNLOADA... No wait... reading things on the computer fucks you up.
Guess I'll have to buy it...

>>4105889

Of course it can.

I'd say there is at least one element in the solution that you probably couldn't have thought of (the hackneyed mechanism made to move the revolver after shooting himself), but the general concept is most definitely solvable.

>>4105906

You read Umineko on your computer, and you're just fine.

Also, it's called a fucking library. Use it bro.

Mary Clarissa Christie, the Witch of Mystery.

Make it happen Ryu!

>>4105916
I'm saying that because I attempted to read a 1400 page med book for a course on the computer. Just ask me how it went. That, and how your attention span plummets.

>>4105803
>library

But... but... but I'd have to leave my ROOM...

>>4105922
Final boss.

>>4105968
This is the reason why I bought it online instead.

>>4105922
FUND IT.

>>4105946

It only took me about 3 hours to read And Then There Were None.

>>4106165
How many pages are there?

>>4106165
Yeah, it's just 260p long. 4-5 hours at normal peace.

>>4106171

The version I had was around ~260 pages, but the text was pretty large and the pages pretty small.

The ebook version I have is around ~160 pages.

There are people that haven't read this book?

>>4105580
Not enough new books come out that interest me for me to read more than 30 or so books in a year. I've already read all the authors I really liked. I never read Agatha Christie though because I don't care for mysteries excepting Edgar Allen Poe stories.

That said, And Then There Were None is well-known enough that anyone in the field who has access to the internet should know how the story goes if they haven't read it, since it's that well-known in the english speaking world.

>this thread
>implying 10 little niggers didn't copy umineko

>>4106239
Delicious butt.

>>4105580
Four so far. Having English this semester will make this much easier.

Battler probably read 100 picture books. Or he counts eroge.

>>4106350
>1986
>eroge
wat

>>4106356
Beatrice gets her galge from somewhere, and if Battler has time to kill chasing Beelzebub around for croissants, he has time for eroge.

>>4106356
The 80s is considered by many to be the best year for eroge. Sure, they don't look PRETTY and SHINY as stuff you see today, but they were still much better than the generic shit people eat up these days.

Err, meant to say best years, or best decade, or whatever.

>>4106362
Well, of course, someone who doesn't exist could easily play something that doesn't exist.

>>4105766
I just received my copy in the mail (I ordered it during the last thread about Agatha Christy).
They kind of ripped me off though, since I would have preferred the cover you see in the OP. Mine is some shitty older version, but I'm not patient enough to send it back.

It's just too bad Ryukishi forgot to brazenly copy having a good, interesting mystery.

Instead we got love drama and Xzibit style meta world inside meta inside meta that doesn't actually exist.

>>4105766
The judge is the mastermind. Unfortunately, Umineko will not have such a mindfuck end.

This is one of the most popular books in the whole world. Why are you guys so suprised that people in Japan have read it?

>>4105714

Turns out it isn't very good.

http://2chan.us/wordpress/2008/11/17/i-am-convinced-by-this-advertising/

>half an hour of reading time drinking tea
< astrange> they were drinking tea with a lady and everyone kept calling her "lady"
< astrange> i think they don't know how britain works

>>4106474
Who the fuck is Ackroyd? I was facepalming when I first read it, thinking it was like Dan Aykroyd, but yeah, name is spelled wrong.

>>4106501
That's a translator error then, not Ryukishi's.

>>4106501
>>4106511
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Murder_of_Roger_Ackroyd

>>4106501
>>4106511
ahahahaha get the fuck out

>>4106501
It's from a book where the murderer was the narrator

>>4106501
>>4106511
I've been aghast at how many retarded Umineko fans there are on /jp/ lately.

>>4106540

You know what was a fun mystery I finished a few days ago? The Judas Window.
While the culprit was easy enough to pin down, the how and why were a pit tougher. Most likely as I had never heard the term before.

>>4105549
Epic soundtrack.... no check

Umineko made me really want to read more mysteries, but I don't know where to start. Would OP be good? Anythng else?

Umineko invented the mystery genre.

>>4106589
Well, if you like Closed Rooms, John Dickson Carr's works would be good.

>>4106589
Well if it's Umineko that made you want to read them, then OP seems like an obvious choice.

I liked the book, but for some reason I didn't think the last chapter devoted entirely to exposition about the killer and why he did everything was really all that necessary.

>this thread

No wonder you idiots come up with such stupid Umineko theories.

>>4106589
read Crooked House by Agatha Christie

>>4106611

To be resolved you need to know the Who, the How, and the Why. The last chapter provided the Why.

Anyone here who likes Hercule Poirot and his gray matter?

>>4106624
Yes, yes, I know, but couldn't the killer's motive been explained with more subtlety than a note that basically read "HEY I AM THE KILLER AND THIS IS WHY I DID IT"?

It's in English, silly. Do you seriously think the Japanese can read it?

>>4106688
Everything worth reading is translated into Japanese. Even if it were not, the Japanese learn english in school.

>>4106664
Sir, I have seen Hercule Poirot. I have read of his tales. You are no Hercule Poirot, Hercule Poirot never convicts the innocent person.

>>4106779
He's like Erika in the sense that both of them hated losing. Though he's truly awesome and doesn't act like a little bitch.

>>4106796
Hercule Poirot hates losing, true, but he won't sacrifice innocent people to win. And he would take convicting the wrong person as a loss. He'd be the type to, say, mercilessly show the skeletons of the family's closet, but he would not be the type to pursue an innocent person.

Oh, and he'd try to PREVENT murders from occuring, not waiting for them to occur so he can "solve" them.

>Flandre Scarlet uses And Then There Were None as her spell card theme

>Umineko has ALOT of ATTWN elements in it

Congratulations /jp/! We have finaly found the link between the two things we love the most, Touhou and Umineko! I demand a feast of the grandest occasion!

>>4107647
>finally found the link
>finally
>implying there weren't at least two other blatantly obvious ones

ITT people who have never actually read Umineko.

>>4106815
>Oh, and he'd try to PREVENT murders from occuring, not waiting for them to occur so he can "solve" them.

I'm not so sure about that.

>>4107647
>>4107667

PETTAN PETTAN TSURUPETTAN

>>4107647
Away, ILLUSION. We are not having any sort of banquet honoring neither memetic foolishness nor elusive CULPRITS.
Furthermore, this opus magnum follows my father's LAWS. I endorse it, unlike this filthy excuse for a MYSTERY.
You beasts even dared to ignore my father's 5th RULE. You HERETICS! You know your story is impossible with IT!

>>4107717

I don't see how Rule 5 even affects Umineko. The lack of "Person X" pretty much ensures that Rule 5 is abided by.

>>4107717
But Umineko doesn't have rule #5.

>>4107745
(Rather, it's omitted.)

>>4107742
Know THIS.
>>>/rs/R07 has omitted Knox's 5th for a REASON.
>>>/rs/That reason involves an impossibility that persists until NOW.
In other words, being an incomplete work, and having characters such as Erika exist, breaks that RULE.

>>4107854

Erika was present from the start of the story. I don't see how this violates Rule 5 unless you consider every single episode part of the same "mystery" by Knox's rules. But since Umineko is a meta-mystery, that wouldn't make sense.

>>4107883
Knox's Decalogue applies to all GAMES.
I'd like to brandish my Red Key for this, but my summoner fears getting a heart attack by making a horrid MISTAKE.
Also, this thread has lived for too LONG. Kill it with FIRE.

>>4107944
Actually, while it applies to all games, the restriction in rule 1 is apparently a by-Episode restriction, considering Erika was the culprit in Episode 6.

>>4107976
Making me read that spoiler in order to finish the sentence is enough to make me cower in FEAR. So now that I can't unsee it, I assume that the detective is not ERIKA. If this is not the case, then my original point must be revised to violate both Knox's 5th and 1ST.

>>4108027
Yeah, Episode 6 is unique in that because Erika didn't take the detective's authority, there was no "official" detective for that Episode.

>>4106492
The only Japanese author that I know of who can do that is Kazuo Ishiguro (though to be fairly, he immigrated to Britain at a young age). The Remains of the Day is ranks high on my list of noteworthy modern British literature.

>>4108027

do people make these things themselves or is there some archive with all their fucking reaction faces stored away someplace on the internet?

>Umineko roleplaying

Am I in /jp/ or /a/? Can't tell the difference anymore...

>>4108067
Really? Fuck, this is worse than I thought. Like the plague; Dlanor, Erika, all, avoid these threads like the plague. I hate you.
Oh, also, checkmate - not following Knox's Decalogue while using it as binding rules in red makes this a mess of a mystery. Red applies to all games. The Decalogue applies to all games. Violating this in any game renders the Decalogue useless, even if it is intended to be used as a crutch rather than laws.
Bye-bye

Shit, I saged my posts because there was no need to bump it anymore. Oh well...
>>4108112
May I introduce you to /seacats/? You'll find everything there, including more fucktarded theories.

>>4108125
It wasn't done in a bad way, though. Or rather, it wasn't done with the intended purpose of tricking the reader, but rather of tricking Battler. And damn did he get trolled.

I thought the rules applied but on an episode base, like game 5 was its own mystery, and was separate from the others, ect

>>4108206
Analyzing this further, the Decalogue is useful. Like you said, EP5 trolled Battler with it. Making his statement stated as another POV was his only way.
My first statement was just to diss the post, the rest are delusions from tiredness. Though I still believe Knox's 5th is omitted not only because of its irrelevance, but for another reason - I'm sure he cannot state it with the situation as it is. Moreso knowing the spoilers you've given me about EP6.

>>4108141

I don't get what you mean, I know the damn reaction images are FROM umineko, but where the hell do people just get all a character's faces from? /seacats/ is some -chan based board I take it?

>>4108249
Indeed. Google it as seacats board. There's a lot of content, though I stray from the theories board until I can establish mine, at a glance, you can find plenty of other ideas that are believable.
The rest of the board shows about anything Umineko related.
And sage this thread. It must die now.

>>4108249
They get the faces from the game sprites.

They're faggots so they have enough time on their hands to crop and make their own.

Private island with a mansion? Check.

Storm that prevents people from coming or going? Check.

Mysterious epitaph on the wall that describes the nature of the murders? Check.

Someone who Isn't Actually Dead is used to create apparently impossible murders? Check.

A message in a bottle containing information about the truth of the murders? Check.

A mysterious message delivered to those attending the mansion announcing the intent of the murderer? Check.

Infallible statements to the reader that no "person X" is hiding on the island? Check.

The implication that not all passages in the novel can be trusted (e.g. some narration is false)? Check.

The murderer working from the inside to split up the group of victims so that he can pick them off one by one? Check.

The murderer being one of the victims? Check.

So, Haruhi, I heard you like Agatha Christie.

>>4108265

aha, found it and now downloading all episode's 6's sprites, which I assume will have everything.

Loaded with troll faces now.

>>4108287
Kinda late on that one, see:
>>4105891

>>4105760
Holy mother of fuck.

>>4108249
http://www.sendspace.com/file/glefw6

A complete EP6 sprite pack. Enjoy.

>>4106594

Seconded. John Dickson Carr makes wonderful closed rooms. That's his mystery forte. Start with The Three Coffins/The Hollow Man, where Dr. Gideon Fell delivers the famous "Closed Room Lecture" where he outlines the different types of closed rooms and how to break them in fucking half. Enjoy doing the same to Umineko.

I'm surprised that the lecture and Carr isn't incorporated in Umineko yet. It's like the ultimate "fuck off and die" weapon against the illusion of the witch.

>>4105549

I played Wargrave in a high school production. Shit was so cash.

>>4105549

I played Wargrave in a high school production. Shit was so cash, except instead of Vera hanging herself, Wargrave comes out to hang her himself. Vera didn't kill Lombard when she shot him, so he leans up, picks up the gun, and shoots Wargrave. They totally get married and live together and shit.

Hey, guys.
Having fun, aren't we?