/jp/ - Otaku Culture

First for Rider sex

Why the mullet?

ciel sex

>>40889552
Like father like daughter

I NEED SEX

>>40889626
Bend over

>>40889581
Mullets are cool.

Does she enjoying pegging or get pegged?

>>40889745
We all know Touko does the pegging with a double ended dildo.

Unpopular option time, while It had some issues OG Ciel route is Better than OG Arc route, the Shiki meets his Nanaya boy self in the dream sequence Is also kino and a great tie- in to the far side routes

>>40889825
Nah but I agree the epilogue in the OG is great.

touko pantyhose

>>40889825
I found the very end of the route to be okay and I was pleasantly surprised that the choice you're given when Arc pins you down completely changes the outcome.
Still, as someone who played Ciel route first, it was very obvious to me that something was wrong the moment I was forced into being Arc's friend and any attempt of getting away resulted in a dead end.
Also there's the whole thing about nutting on Kohaku and running away that never gets addressed.

Good morning, /tmg/!

>>40890052
good morning, dr. sex

>Saber Alter was suppose to have a sex scene in Hollow Ataraxia, but it got cut
PAIN

>>40890052
hello Doctor boobs.

raped by dr boobs

>https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/9334-TM-Manuscript%E3%80%90%E5%9E%8B%E6%9C%88%E7%A8%BF%E6%9C%AC%E3%80%91-KATATSUKI-KOUHON?p=3215419&viewfull=1#post3215419
Caubac mats

Missionary legs up sex with doctor boobs.

doctor ass

doctor pussy

>The reason Zelretch headed for the castle of the True Ancestors and blessed the birth of Arcueid was because she was the factor who would take his place in bringing an end to the Crimson Moon problem.
True Arc soon bros

>>40889552
i miss him so much bros

>>40890052
What do you bring to the story?

>>40890487
She gave us more cunny.

>>40890487
sex

>>40890487
Vampire Noel

>>40890487
The ever present sexual thoughts which slowly evolve into an obsession with unobtainable sadistic women.

>>40890137

>>40890540
what the FUCK did she mean by this?

>>40890546
Shiki is ripped and she's horny.

>>40890528
>obsession with unobtainable sadistic women.
Dr. Arach paid DLC route when?

>>40890546
She's a semen demon.

>>40890546
She’s a demon semon

>>40890546
she literally eats humans

>>40890577
Considering Nasu's track record our best bet is to kidnap him at the next Comiket and force him to write it.

>>40889552
How does ourguy win in the Mind of Steel ending? Is Kotomine just shitting out his ass? And is there any reason for me to get the true or good end after Mind of Steel? And why is Rin such a cuckqueen?

>>40889587
Man I wish Wada had done the art for the remake, it looks so much better than Takeuchi

>>40891074
Fuck off.

>>40891074
Honestly Koyama already did the coloring so they may as well had him do the lineart while Takeuchi can go be a suit.

>>40891074
>it looks so much better than Takeuchi
not much of an accomplishment to be fair

when will the wada arco artbook get scanned

>>40891158
No one has scanned the Souhon book yet so odds aren’t high

>>40891172
man

>>40891158
It has the same structure as Takeuchi's last artbook and that took a year so probably around the same time if ever.

>>40891158
stop being poor

>>40890953
He wins because Nasu said so. Makes for a good Bad End.

>And why is Rin such a cuckqueen?
?

>>40887986
>>40887834
>>40887822
ArcChads can't stop winning. Remember that and pay no heed to Cielfag and spiderfuckers.

>>40891181
I’d scan mine but my panda name is embarrassing

>>40891288
it can't be that bad anon

>>40891288
kek

What fictional setting is closest to type moon?

>>40891253
Arachbros are the heart and soul of /tmg/

>>40890953
how does he not? There's no one who can stop him is there?

>>40891386
she's gonna turn kohaku into a dindu and that infuriates me as a kohaku-bro.

>>40891404
Kohaku manipulates a vampire to do her bidding. U rike?

>>40891404
Nah. Trust the mushroom. He'll find a way.

>>40891404
>source: someone told me on /fgog/

>>40891323
k-on!

>>40891386
Why does Japan hate openly slutty characters bros? I need more art of her porn or otherwise and there's just nothing wherever I look.

>>40891434
Just commission it bro, it's just 5000 yen.

>>40891424
you dont need to project your gambling addiction, anon. the simple fact is that arach doesnt have much of a role in near side so she has to do something during farside.

>>40891472
Turn Akiha into a god and rape Shiki in a bad end.

>>40891451
I've got around 100 pages of Wada's art for 7500 yen and even that hurt as a poor uni student so I'll just have to bear with it and hope for the best I guess.

>>40891532
That's not good, wincest should be either good end or true end.

>>40891472
Isn't she mentioned as a keeper of the mansion? For all we know she can have an underground lab full of failed subjects in there and no one would suspect a thing.

>>40891573
Arach would be doing the raping in the bad end.

>>40891585
god imagine

>>40891585
Holy based.

>>40891585
Please Nasu... I need this...

Ì haven't played the remake so give me a serious answer, does this Arach character add anything to the setting or is she just an annoying tumor that ruins the atmosphere of the mansion?

>>40891751
She hasn't played a major role, but a lot of her lines in the game are pretty important and hint at some big things.
>that ruins the atmosphere of the mansion?
Well she does do that, but it was on purpose kek.

So Zelretch just pulls a Touko via gems in parallel worlds and that's it?
How that even translates into beating Crimson Moon? It feels underwhelming.

>>40891751
Exactly what I was worried about, but in the end I didn't mind her. She doesn't have too many scenes (I think only one's forced? idk about ciel route tho) and drops a bunch of hints. Happy to have her in overall, if Nasu doesnt fuck up farside

how long will type-moon continue
it feels like this train will never end. in recent years it's like we're going full speed even

>>40891840
Until Nasu croaks probably.

>>40891751
>does this Arach character add anything to the setting
Yeah, she hints at some interesting new lore bits and story. Doesn't feature in anything really relevant to the story so far though.
>tumor that ruins the atmosphere of the mansion?
This too, but she's not everpresent by any measure. It's just that when she comes, you're pulled out of the sovlful Victorian mansion reality marble right into comic-relief-land. Oh and she constantly sexually harasses Shiki, which drives the coomers insane

>>40891774
Zelretch has access to literal infinite amounts of magical energy, doesn't he?

>>40891840
Since TsukiRemake released we've had a major resurgence, yes. I believe, if Mahoyo translation, end of FGO Lostbelts and Farside TsukiRemake come out at around the same time, we'll make it into the mainstream even.

>>40891774
Wasn't that explained literally years ago? Kaleidoscope is just him absorbing magical energy from as many parallel worlds as he needs at the same moment, effectively making it infinite magic.

i hate zelretch. he's just old geezer who abandoned humanity. hope rin succeeds him

>>40891900
>he's just old geezer who abandoned humanity
That's literally why he's so goddamn interesting to everyone. Aside from the fact, he killed the titular character of the franchise.

>>40891860
It's not stated at all in his profile. So many things changed already.

>>40891391
Just looking at knowledge and pure ability, pretty much anyone could stop him.

>>40891911
sorry i take a pro-humanity stance. any human who abandons humanity is a traitor

>>40891914
The Jeweled Sword is still in and that's basically what it does.

>>40891914
Why would they need to state everything they've already covered? I think Nasu basically said he has unlimited mana just last year again when talking about how Ciel has the greatest capacity by a fuckton.

>>40891924
Humanity is gay. Look at these cute vampires creating universes and having melty's.

>>40891900
He didn't abandon humanity in Fate.

>>40891391
I mean, the man can only use minimal projection and strengthening at the time of the ending, so his chances of winning are grim to put it lightly.

>>40891942
Because is his new and lenghty profile? How can you assume it's "already covered" when his entire background dropped, and he explained what Second does, and there's none of the things that people headcanon for years? CM didn't even bite him anymore. You can't push an assumption and pretend is like that.

>>40891958
>Afterward, he was to become mankind’s enemy, unable to oppose Crimson Moon… but he just thought ‘I wasn’t mankind’s ally to begin with—kinda just wanna go retire’, taking the opportunity to disappear from the center stage of magecraft.
this sounds like even if he didn't become a DAA he still doesn't give a fuck about humanity

>>40891974
He's still in the Clocktower but he drops sometimes in Fate.

Is Merlin superior to Zelretch?

>>40891969
Because you don't logically assume everything has been dropped that's been stated by the author. I don't recall him even saying CM bit him. Dude operates in parallel worlds, he has basically unlimited mp. Cope.

>>40892028
fuck no.
>>40891974
based gramps.

>>40892028
From what we know Zelretch is baseline human without any supernatural or divine connection/authority) (Solomon) or inhuman origin before he got bitten (Merlin). Merlin is compared to Prima Murder in what existence he is. He's not someone you measure with the same stick. He (and she) are amazing performers in mimicking their humanity.

>>40892028
In what area?

>>40892061
sexiness

>>40892028
Merlin gets beamu'd.

>>40892063
>Incubus/succubus
vs
>Old wrinkly man
I mean anon...

>>40892074
That won't do jackshit to someone with IM A.

What the fuck is this?

>>40891919
>>40891962
Given he's in a position where he can manipulate both Illya and Rin, possibly team up with Kirei for shits and giggles and doesnt give a shit about casualties, there's plenty of ways he can win.
The matchups he'd need to force would be Herc vs Gilg and Gilg vs Archer, then he just kills weakened Archer and Zouken with Rider (she's a freebie post-Sakura and easy to convince to join Shirou to avenge her by killing Rin). Pretty sure he could pull it off without Rider aswell, 1v1 vs weakened Archer and then projection hax Zouken. Relies on him witnessing UBW though, unless he can get Kirei to frag Zouken, then it's even more of a freebie. Could also leech off Rin alliance for most of it and force her to suicide Archer at the end.
There's a fair chance the war wins itself without him doing anything anyway - aside from killing Kotomine at the very end since the matchups happen naturally if Kirei wants the grail.

>>40892113
giant naked rei evangelion arc that shits up the ciel true route for 5 hours

>>40892113
do they have stats and skills for all the characters?

>>40892132
I mean why is she a berserker class?

>>40892136
Tired to explain it but classes don't mean it's a Servant. Zeus was categorized as Ruler and this was stated as such in Olympus.

>>40892136
I mean, Arc was a berserker in Extra.

>>40892164
Yeah but this is from Tsukihime Ciel route stat as "Archetype Earth" and not Extra funny vamp shit.

>>40892113
If no one translates the stats:
Class: Berserker
Name: Archetype Earth
Source: Tsukihime

100% Arc's stats
Strength: B
Endurance: B
Agility: B
Mana: A
Luck: B
NP: EX

Lumina Arc stats:
Strength: E
Endurance: EX
Agility: B
Mana: A++
Luck: EX
NP: D

Are you guys excited for Tsukhime/Grand Order?

I'm really looking forwards to rolling all the DAA. Rita (Summer ver) is going to drain my wallet.

>>40892226
I'll whale for Sumire

>>40892226
what will actually happen to the boomer fanbase once tsukihime becomes a mobage too
will you all leave tm for good or will you embrace the zoomer ways

>>40890953
>And is there any reason for me to get the true or good end after Mind of Steel?
Considering only a retard would let their innocent girlfriend die, yeah.

>>40892226
Nasu said he wanted Genshin style Tsukihime (Open World).

>>40892258
HOLY BASED

>>40892258
What the fuck does he even mean by this? How do you turn a horror mystery novel into an open world action game?

>>40892303
>horror mystery novel
lol

>>40891535
Tits too big, specially Saber

>>40892303
Not into videogames but I am sure that is possible if done right.
That said, Tsukihime (and also FSN) is mostly romance story, not horror mystery even if these elements are there.

>still no official design of Crimson Moon

>>40892303
>horror mystery novel

>>40892357
shiki is just like me

>>40892306
>>40892328
>>40892357
Well I guess it was just me that got into those aspects of the novels more than the romance

>>40892399
Far side was definitely horror focused with romance sprinkled on top.

>>40892412
What are you talking about? Akiha's route was the most romantic route in the game. The romance in Kohaku's route is pretty obvious too, and Akiha's love for Shiki and him choosing Kohaku is where the main conflict comes from. Hisui is a little tricky since there are a lot romantic scenes, like the ending and the falshbacks, but somehow most people here forget about them despite being generally very good.

>>40892437
>romance in Kohaku's
lol, nice one.
They're all still mostly horror stories, even if they've romance.

Ranked 27 among the 27 Dead Apostle Ancestors.
His Idea Blood is a "failed product" or perhaps simply "unneeded".
A vampire who was a believer to the church before turning Dead Apostle.
The Crimson Moon made him lose heart shortly before the transition to AD, but the Crimson Moon also saw potential in him and gave him his pure blood, turning him into an Ancestor.
Since then, he has been holed up in an underground cavern lamenting his vampiric transformation, since he was too ashamed to go see his pious companions, not to mention they would kill him on the spot if they saw what he turned into.
Later a lot happened, leading him to build the great labyrinth of Alcatraz.

Somewhen around the year 1000AD, he completed the Triten scripture.
No one saw him ever since.
The Holy Church and the vampire society believe that he built his castle to protect his written truth, the Triten scripture, and when he got that done, a random dimensional distortion turned the castle into some amazing labyrinth not even he can escape.

He turned himself into an inorganic object out of hatred for his body's need to suck blood to extend his life.
He takes the appearance of an ordinary padlock.

In Mahou Tsukai no Hako, it was established that Hibiki is an artificial lifeform (the Triten) who turned human and got lost among the people there.

Our world was created by the Lord, and its surface is covered in His love. The way humans go hog wild over food and whatnot is also because of Lord's love. The Lord's love is like, super immeasurable to human beings.
Under the thoughts quoted above, he comprehended the Lord's love and wrote it down. That's what the Triten scripture is.

>>40892532
The punchline here is there on proofread, he realized that he made a model of the universe.
He obviously wasn't trying to create a model of the universe, but that was the final result of what he tried to make.
By reaching the conclusion that the universe is direct proof of the Lord's love, Caubac established he was right and built his labyrinth in order to hide his super ultra awesome treasure literally anyone would desire.
By the way, the labyrinth was made using the same techniques used to make Triten. For that reason, it's constantly expanding at the same speed that the universe expands. Super inescapable.

Now, the following section is about progress caused by the events of Mahou Tsukai no Hako:
Caubac had complete faith in Triten, but he took his eyes away for one moment and Triten disappeared from its storage and went to be human in some Japanese café.
Triten was supposed to be his proof, Triten = the Lord's love, and yet the result of its evolution was a human being!
No true Catholics would see God inside themselves.
Caubac shat himself from shock when he learned about Hibiki.
"In my attempts to prove God is real, I proved that He isn't."

※Addendum:
The following thoughts are the reasons why he considers Triten a mistake:
- We must not see God in ourselves.
- We must not pray for our own benefit. (Prayers are for the Lord's benefit. It's wrong to pray out of desire for salvation. You pray only for the Lord. Caubac's mindset is the same as Caren's.)
- The Lord's love is absolute and must never be questioned. Therefore we must not wish for the Lord to exist in any form different from the forms described in the scriptures.
God's Love = the world.
The fact that we're alive is a manifestation of His love and no matter how much suffering there is in the world, it's all part of grand system of God's deeds (love).

>>40892539
The world is a product of the Lord's thoughts.
Upon closer inspection of the components of the human being (body, mind, and soul), Caubac had the idea that he could prove the Lord's love by replicating all these components in text form.
He then started building his model from all possible accounts, probed into His whole Creation, gave it shape, and ended up with a model of the universe. (He didn't notice it was a model of the universe until it was complete)
And the fact that this universe was functional (even if there was no life in it) was all he needed to go ultra-convinced on his assumption that the Lord's love was real and that it approved his project.
Caubac built his labyrinth to protect this treasure. (Not because he was afraid of it being misused, simply because he was afraid of it being stolen from him)
He believed Triten was the only thing he needed in the whole wide world.
To be fair, that practically completed his purpose as a Dead Apostle as well, leaving him in a complete NEET state. He was right about Triten being the only thing he ever needed.
But imagine the panic when he found out Triten was operating as a human being.
It's the level of shock you get when your computer gets infected by a virus from a porn site.
He made a perfect image of God, and then it turned human.
Would that mean God is human?
That God is made from humans?
God eventually becomes human?
None of these options were possible. There is no God in humans.
But Triten became human.
The conclusion here is that human beings were all there was to the universe.
= God doesn't exist.

>>40892543
After approaching this line of argument, Caubac practically stopped thinking.
His strong will and proneness to delusion kept him on his feet, although in an unmoving state.
One more time. I need to see Triten one more time. I could have just made a mistake somewhere along the way. Or maybe Triten really is... No, forget that thought.
And so he started looking for Hibiki. That's the whole backstory for Mahou Tsukai no Hako.

※Completing his "Or maybe Triten really is..." sentence:
Triten was a model for the universe with no life in it. (The word "life" here refers specifically to intelligent lifeforms capable of self-evolution.)
But in the process of its expansion, the universe birthed lifeforms.
That is God's true deed.
If Triten, an in-depth inspection of the Lord's love, birthed a human being, that's evidence pointing to the thought that the world is made from the Lord's love.
I knew I was right!
But... the problem is that by creating Triten, I kinda violated the creed that we mustn't create God. Actually, if a human can create God, then...
He got lost in this labyrinth of thought.

All that said, even if Hibiki is indeed Triten (God), Caubac would deny the notion on the logic that "God is an omnipresent essence, not something with a physical presence".
God's love exists.
But it can't take a human form.
It can't take a form humans can comprehend.
He can't be alive.
Above is an example of cool speech he would to reject Hibiki's nature or pretend he never saw it.
...This is the story of how he ruined his own beliefs and came out of his 2000-year-long battle in total denial, but even after all this, he still prioritized the ideal form of God's love over his own happiness and salvation.

>>40892399
I'm more into mystery aspect, actually. And lore. But you just can't disregard those.

>>40892200
>Strength: E
???

>>40892779
It's explained further, just wait for a proper translation like a good EOP instead of relying on retarded scraps.

>>40892547
can't tell if this is Nasu being retarded or the character being a bad catholic.
God does become a man. Who is both God AND a Man.
That's Jesus.

>>40892825
Japanese man vs Western theology

>>40892779
big shiny arc isn't as good in a wrestling match.

>>40892825
Nasu can't understand Buddhism, let alone Christianity.

damn far side remake looking pretty good

>>40892969
Does Sacchin get the worms too?

do these still attract new fans or are you all faggots over the age of 40?

>>40892996
I'm 18. Got into this shit in 2018 back when I didn't get why everybody called Shirou and Shiki autists.

>>40892825
Maybe the character isn't catholic. Christians killed among themselves over their different interpretations for a long time after all, and this guy is supposed to be from the early ADs

>>40892779
she doesn't need physical strength in that state

>tfw i look like Crimson Moon

I've heard people say that the reason Zeltretch is so bullshit is that there's only one of him in the multiverse, and he doesn't get involved because he might wind up making undesirable events. But if that's the case, there can't be a Fate/Tsukihime divide in the first place so I assume someone's confused?

>>40892825
>>40892835
>>40892888
>can perform crazy mental gymnastics to keep their faith consistent
>can't put 2 and 2 together when it comes to other fiction
Christcucks, ladies and gentlemen.

>>40893237
t. r/atheism

>>40892825
Anon, Nasu didn't even know that Christians are separated into different sects so that's why the Church in Fate/Tsuki are monolithic entities. I doubt he understands the Trinity or anything else Christian related beyond "wow, robes and crosses COOL!"

>>40893232
>I've heard people say that the reason Zeltretch is so bullshit is that there's only one of him in the multiverse
That's literally headcanon.

>and he doesn't get involved because he might wind up making undesirable events.
He doesn't get involved because he's tired and retired, or because he was forced to become an enemy of humanity as a DAA. Take your pick. He's basically an old guy who pokes things from his lawn.

>if that's the case, there can't be a Fate/Tsukihime divide in the first place so I assume someone's confused?
Only ones confused are idiots who made fanfiction based on vague statements and jokes. Now we have actual profile here and in the Fate version.

>>40893232
There are two possibilities:
>There's one Zeltrech per tree of time
>Zeltrech is not the same when he is in a fate world (not being a DA)

>>40893104
>Triten was supposed to be his proof, Triten = the Lord's love, and yet the result of its evolution was a human being!
>No true Catholics would see God inside themselves.
>Caubac shat himself from shock when he learned about Hibiki.

Most fucking retarded "Catholic" take. I've seen. Not just is stupid, but Nasu actually had awareness of how biblical references worked when Goetia was doing a "creating new humanity on his image and likeness" self reference shit. Did he just posted some old retarded fanfiction he typed before he could look up Wikipedia? This concept is atrocious.

>>40893374
>Church in Fate/Tsuki are monolithic entities
Not true, Catholics are just the strongest. And even they have factions inside.

>>40893374
Yeah and it's not above receiving criticism from his shit DAA "concept" this time.

>>40893232
It's more likely there are multiple Zelretchs. Maybe some developed 2nd, and some didn't. Doesn't matter really. Each should have access to those worlds through gems.

The one that seems to be unique is Merlin, there's one female and one male. But that's it.

>>40893399
If Alcatraz getting turned into DA and cutting all ties before Catholicism even existed doesn't clue you into what's going on with him, I don't know what to tell you.

>>40893434
If Nasu was presenting it was mentally ill sure, but he's like making it seem is how Catholicism worked, even comparing that to Karen.

>>40892126
Honestly I think Archer would be helping Shirou here since according to Kotomine Rin is going to want the grail regardless of if it destroys the world or not.

>>40893459
I mean the DAA was trapped in his own labyrinth for 2000 years due to his obsession with religion and must’ve gone made at some point. I wouldn’t take these ramblings of a mad man as anything serious given he’s also treated as a comedian in other works. His writing for Caren was fine. Nasu doesn’t write Christianity as a generic evil organization like most anime writers do so be thankful Nasu hasn’t gone in that direction as he’s generally portrayed them as neutral besides the ones that captured Ciel.

>>40893395
Except this profile says his soul is literally vamperized so the Akashic record has him labeled a vampire. So it's A.

>>40893538
There's a fair chance he'd rather kill Shirou, he also isn't ruthless to the point of killing Illya/Rin and Shirou has no way of ensuring his loyalty.
I'd say it's unlikely, though maybe Shirou could convince him to disregard his life and all-in trade himself for Gilg to ensure Gil dying and Rin being unable to win.

>>40893459
>even comparing that to Karen
Why would there be a need to compare that belief (can't pray for youself) to Caren's if it was just normal Catholic behaviour? It's clear that some people are exempt from following the doctrine created for normalfags (at least to some extent) as long as they do Church's bidding.

>>40893386
>I've heard people say that the reason Zeltretch is so bullshit is that there's only one of him in the multiverse
>That's literally headcanon.
But the images anon posted a bit above says its true. Also that his soul was registered as a DA in akashic records in a sense. So is he not a vampire in fate worlds?

>>40893665
>>40893386
I mean the images posted in the previous thread

I am the bone of my sword

>>40890523
Do I get to kill her?

Bros? I got into the Sacchin route in the remake.

>>40893855
I'd rather Arach rape me than choose Sacchin

>Zelretch’s method for travelling through parallel words is a simple one—he transfers himself to a jewel in a different temporal axis.
For example: if he wants to transfer from World A to World B, he will gather jewels in World B until they gather up enough to take Zelretch’s shape, and then Zelretch’s soul will transfer over. In an instant, the jewel golem transforms into Zelretch. At that point, the Zelretch in World A will turn back into its original form as a pile of jewels.
>As long as minerals and jewels exist there, he can travel into any world he wishes, but as he only has a single soul, he cannot be active in all of them at once.
>He originally travelled with just his physical body, but because of various circumstances he eventually settled for this method as it was the easiest.
>In addition, as a small amount of time lag occurs when he travels, he is also capable of a tiny bit of time travel as well.


Who was the retard who thought he was all-knowing and omnipresent? He can
>only travel is gems are present
>needs to gather gems to form a golem
>his time travel is limited
>can only be there a place at a time since he has only one soul

Rayshifting unironically sounds better.

>>40893855
What's it like being Russian?

Any scans of the shit from comiket?

>>40893585
>>40893665
>>40893680
It doesn't say that. It talks about Zelretch in a particular world, not all Zereltchs. That's just a stupid assumption idiots ever made.

As for Fate:
>Takeuchi: Is Zelretch still a vampire in Fate worlds?
>Nasu: No, but he's got something along the lines of immortality all the same.

>>40894416
I'm the first one you quoted there. I'm tired, what are you even trying to say? The new shit makes it clear his soul is vampirized so even if he jumps to another world he is still a DAA. Because of the part you quoted about how in Fate he is not a vampire, the new information debunks the idea that there is only one Zel. There are multiple. At least one for Tsuki and one for Fate but probably one for every Fate subdivision that's unique enough(Proto, Prillya, Extra, Strange Fake, etc)

>>40893665
Is xxxx a Dead Apostle in Fate? The guide!

Roa: Yes, and he gets soul roasted by the living Edmond Dantes in his incarnation as Cardinal Tantarella
Nrvnqsr Chaos: No, Fabro Rowan joined the Wandering Sea and stayed there.
Zepia: Yes, he's a Dead Apostle, but he's remarkably sane and remained Atlas Director.
Zelretch: No, he's just an old guy similar to the Headmaster.
Sion: She's a "bloodsucker" but not a vampire/dead apostle.
Blackmore: Yes, and he commited suicide when Crimson Moon was killed for good.
Forest of Einnashe: Yes.
Rita: Yes.

>>40894472
>There are multiple.
That was my point. There's no one Zelretch. Most of the Zelretch headcanons accumulated over the years are unironically more fitting for Merlin.

>>40894485
>Actually correct.
Bravo

>>40894513
You're free to add the ones I'm missing if we have real Fate information (not SF).

I feel like nasu just shat on his own lore and anons are doing his work instead, cooking up headcanon to maintain consistency . The new scans very clearly mentions that zelretch is unique and his unique soul is branded as DA in akashic records. Unless there are multiple akashic records (lol), it's more likely that nasu just wrote himself into a corner than there being multiple zelretchs.
Also why the fuck would they include an entry on his relation with rin if this was supposed to be just tsuki's zelretch?

I don't care about Nasuverse lore. Nasu should stick to writing good character studies instead of this horse shit.

>>40894529
Van-Fem probably because of Hollow even though that was probably before the split.
Caubac ... IDK, probably because of the labyrinth in Fate/Lab? ORT: Guess we'll see soon.

>>40894567
100% this

>>40894557
Why wouldn't you have a different record for every soul? Not every instance of the soul is the same across worlds right? Shirou in one timeline doesn't share the soul of Shirou in another.
>Rin, Cause she's still a mage I guess.

>>40894557
>Also why the fuck would they include an entry on his relation with rin if this was supposed to be just tsuki's zelretch?
What does it say?

Surprised more people aren’t talking about the Director/Founder of the Mage’s Association finally being revealed with this line in the new Comiket book.

Afterward, when one of his fellow students (Brissan*) was starting up the Mages Association, he helped out in laying its foundations.

The only one with that name that I could find is Maio Brissan, who is part of the Lore Depertment and his family were disciplined of Solomon. Makes sense that his family founded the Mage’s Association.

>>40894596
Here:

Attitude toward Rin
‘Tohsaka’s descendants sure did well! Alright, there aren’t any Magician seats left, but I will hammer some unreasonably difficult magecraft into you! They’re things I’ve worked out but unfortunately never taught anyone!’ So he goes, a bit happily.
Anyone who is a Magician’s pupil is first started off with a living hell where they might accidentally destroy the universe—like with Aoko from Mahoyo. Although Rin never minded it that much, instead simply tilting her head, wondering if maybe she had just had some kind of tremendously hellish thing shown to her, after which she kept puking for a whole month.

>>40894557
>nasu just shat on his own lore
>JUST
he's been taking a dump on it ever since f/go if not earlier. You've gotta be mental to follow this shit and even attempt to piece his 300 retcons, "concepts" and multiverses together.

The whole thing can be found here for the TM Manuscript from Comiket: https://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/9334-TM-Manuscript%E3%80%90%E5%9E%8B%E6%9C%88%E7%A8%BF%E6%9C%AC%E3%80%91-KATATSUKI-KOUHON?p=3215396&viewfull=1#post3215396215396&viewfull=1%23post3215396

>>40894557
>Also why the fuck would they include an entry on his relation with rin if this was supposed to be just tsuki's zelretch?
>Founder of the Gem magic
>Toesucker familly are the biggest practitioners of it and Rin is their peak release
Why not?

Wow the most surprising thing here is them acknowledging the old Tsukihime anime:

‘Consult the picture book that came with the Tsukihime anime as a bonus prologue for how his clothes look.’

>>40894654
AAAAAAA NOOOOOO. OUR MEMES!

>>40894583
You know what, on rereading it you are probably right. It just said he can't be active in different worlds at the same time because he got only one soul, not that he is an unique existence. That said, my point on rin still stands. It looks like he was talking about the fate rin who succeeded in creating the sword so I still believe it's just nasu fuckery. But eh, whatever. Fuck the lore

Although, that is precisely why he’s very proactive when it comes to assessing the situation surrounding Crimson Moon. One could see it as taking care of the aftermath of his adolescent period. The reason Zelretch headed for the castle of the True Ancestors and blessed the birth of Arcueid was because she was the factor who would take his place in bringing an end to the Crimson Moon problem.

Zelretch better show up at the epilogue/ secret ending of Red Garden. Stop teasing us and show up in something important already.

>>40894672
Arc vs CM will be obviously a climax of Tsukihime 2

Imagine if there's a parallel universe, where Zelretch is female and went to love in Eastern Europe instead of Germany and is by now a Babushka.

And the doujins?

>>40894672
Did they say anything about the red garden recently?

>>40894683
>love
*live

The Second Magic concerns the attestation and application of parallel worlds.
By making it possible to travel to parallel worlds, he proved that there is still room for the world to develop in different ways.
Thanks to this, the world’s lifespan has been extended. Even if our history fails, and we destroy ourselves, there might still be others of us out there—this concept granted hope to the planet, which had been in the process of losing its dreams.
Zelretch’s method for travelling through parallel words is a simple one—he transfers himself to a jewel in a different temporal axis.
For example: if he wants to transfer from World A to World B, he will gather jewels in World B until they gather up enough to take Zelretch’s shape, and then Zelretch’s soul will transfer over. In an instant, the jewel golem transforms into Zelretch. At that point, the Zelretch in World A will turn back into its original form as a pile of jewels.
As long as minerals and jewels exist there, he can travel into any world he wishes, but as he only has a single soul, he cannot be active in all of them at once.
He originally travelled with just his physical body, but because of various circumstances he eventually settled for this method as it was the easiest.
In addition, as a small amount of time lag occurs when he travels, he is also capable of a tiny bit of time travel as well.

Wow, Imagine if we knew this info years ago before Fate fanfics blew up. This info invalidates so many Zelretch using a portal to travel into different parallel worlds and using his power to transport Shirou into other worlds. What a lore bomb to drop on us kek.

“Attitude toward the Dead Apostles
He does not interfere with them as long as they do not cause some particularly large-scale mischief.
He has seen through the mechanisms behind the 27 Ancestors, but has deliberately chosen to quietly observe them. He is tea-drinking companions with the three idiots of Agape, Lovematroos and Caubac. Rumors have it that he becomes like a simple grandpa doting on his grandchild when dealing with Agape.”

Agape is totally Arach or this is a huge red herring.

“Zelretch is highly regarded among the True Ancestors as he is one of the most prominent mages in the human world.
Zelretch, on account of having been alive since before the common era, is friendly with the elementals known as the True Ancestors, and often provides them with counsel:
“Kishua, hey, listen. You know that ‘Christianity’ thing humans are doing among each other? What’s that? A new type of magecraft system?
“That’s a detailed Manual to Mankind’s Prosperity. It will one day even turn out to be a best-seller. Well, it’s for the best if you don’t know much about it. You’d probably lose your minds.
“I see, if you say so, then it’s probably true. By the way, I’d like to try a bit of that wine they make in Bourgogne. Could you get some?
Stuff like this.”

Who the hell is Kishua?

>>40894722
Kischur is Zelretch's middle name.

>>40894722
>Who the hell is Kishua?
Anon...
>キシュア・ゼルレッチ・シュバインオーグ
>キシュア

>>40894724
>>40894728
Oh wow I’m dumb. Sorry it’s early in the morning and I just woke up to this lore bomb.

‘Thanks to this, the world’s lifespan has been extended. Even if our history fails, and we destroy ourselves, there might still be others of us out there—this concept granted hope to the planet, which had been in the process of losing its dreams.’

Seems like an important line for Arc since it has the concept of dreams Also important for the Earth as she is important for Gaia as it’s representative.

>>40894789

>>40894799

Neat Tsukihime fan animation music video https://twitter.com/nkmk75391/status/1559133051892158464?s=21&t=rBGfaU_JANEPxpBeMLR7VQ

>>40894789
>>40894799
>>40894807
Cute!
>>40894793
In Type Lumina Red Arc scenario was like "haha it was just a dream,... except not!". It seems that Gaia dreams are actually different timelines

It’s happening. Ciel is in FGO.

>>40894852
At this point Fgo is just used as bonus advertisement for Tsukihime

>>40894852
God fucking dammit they're gonna turn her into a walking curry joke aren't they? Can't wait for gatchafags to overuse this one for the next 20 years.

Cielbros… I don’t feel so good.

>>40894611
So nothing, basically. Alright I'm going back to not caring about the lore.

God damn look at those fingers.

>>40894894
She always was one

Looks like Rin? From the new Case Adventures illustrations.

>>40895233
Still wearing the unfashionable and unelegant hoodie I see.

>>40895212
>>40895233
Hopefully no spoilers until it comes out digitally.

Time to dump a whole flask of laxatives in Akiha's serving

>>40895424
Akiha desperately trying to hold it in during dinner would be amusing to say the least.

>>40895212
Is it time for another instance of Sanda constantly reminding the readers for like 5 pages that they are holding hands?

>>40895456
Akiha trying to gracefully pass gas silently, only for Kohaku to sniff at the air and tease her relentlessly about the smell.

Time to lock all of the mansion's bathrooms except for one

>>40894894
>this one for the next 20 years.
It's not like she wasn't one for the last 20 years.

>>40894885
will the average fgo player go try to read a visual novel though?

>"…? I'm talking about you. A girl shouldn't be swinging swords around, all the more so if you're hurt. …Oh wait, I don't even know if it's a sword or not, huh? Anyway! You're a girl, so you can't do that!"

Does Saber's route deserve the hate it gets?

Headpat

>>40894567
based

Eyebrows.

Please *cough*... Please someone comission NSFW Arach art...

>>40896710
DEEN had soul

>>40896754
And lots of stupid filler from mixing different routes

>>40896813
Eh, 2006 was alright. The UBW film was an absolute abomination however

Only /tmg/ dislikes Deen's series adaptation. We wouldn't be here if it wasn't for it. It's a pill hard to swallow I know.

>>40896754
>>40896710
DEEN designs and fights (assuming they had budget) were so much better than ufotable just relying on flashy colors.

>>40896911
Coping big time

>>40896904
>>40896911
>>40896921
UBW Ufotable is a mess. It doesn't feel like the VN at all. Far too many changes are made for the worse that fuck up the pacing immensely and try too hard to pander to fans of Zero. The changes to Medea's whole portion are downright baffling and the biggest pacing perpetrator. At least the soundtrack bothers to be faithful when it counts. I can't say that of the HF movies.

>>40896921
Only thing I'll never stop coping about is that nothing will ever top Fate/Zero. Pure unending stream of undiluted kino and the only series I've rewatched out of over 800.
https://youtu.be/o03FwtdWx_g

>>40896921
>>40896972
>Only thing I'll never stop coping about is that nothing will ever top Fate/Zero. Pure unending stream of undiluted kino and the only series I've rewatched out of over 800.

Why is zero so divisive? It's either love it or hate it with y'all

>>40896904
>We
Speak for yourself, I bought Fate/Stay Night in 2004

>>40896998
Most complaints I've seen about zero is crybabies coping about "muh edge" so idk. I can't possibly fathom anyone disliking it outside of tastelets.

>>40896998
>divisive
it's not
>y'all
nigger

>>40896904
I started with the VN because I'm not a pleb.

>>40896904
FSN 2006 works as a stand-alone

>Fate/stay night 2006
Faithful adaption of Saber's route, minus the Caster arc written by Nasu. DEEN's fate focused more on the mystery and magic of servants
>Fate/stay night UBW movie
Rushed adaption of the shortest route. They even fucked up Shirou's one-liner. He's not supposed to roar "here I come, King of Heroes. Do you have enough swords in stock?" It's twice as good when he says coolly it in the VN, brimming with confidence, and Gilgamesh realizes he's kind of fucked now
>Fate/Zero
Faithful adaption of the novels. Fate/Zero was 'chosen' Anime of the year at Newtype, sold really well and it was marketed to fujoshi by ufotable (you can tell by the majority of female presence in their events and cafes)
>Fate/stay night UBW
Faithful adaption of the shortest route, Nasu confirmed he wrote the new original scenes, that Nasu was very forceful about Shirou's characterization to the point of correcting Miura and explaining it to the staff, that we have confirmation that Nasu's involvement goes as far as directing the voice actors as they record, went and rewrote/added a bunch of UBW scenes to its adaption, for example, and has said he would do the same for Fate if it was redone nowadays.
>Fate/stay night HF
Rushed adaption of the longest route. It outright skips major passages in the story while doing absolutely nothing to fill in the blanks, assuming you already know the story by heart or something
>Fate/Apocrypha
Apocrypha is genuinely a pretty good story but trying to fit into 25 episodes really screwed it over big time
>Case Files
they skip to vol 4 & 5 (Rail Zeppelin case)

That said the Heaven's Feel manga is going to be the overall best FSN adaption to date, just like the Tsukihime manga

>>40896904
Uh I think 2006 gets too much shit but it does absolutely get hate in most places and the only time anyone bothers to say something positive about it is when they are seething like faggots over Ufotable, ie. being pathological contrarians.

>>40896911
A lot of Ufo fights are just mediocre style over substance but DEEN isn't much better.

>>40897169
>A lot of Ufo fights are just mediocre style over substance

Examples, contrarian?

>>40897190
Pick any fight from HF movies

>>40897169
DEEN had dogshit budget for 2006 so yeah. In the movie you can at least tell whats going on rather than just watching shiny lights collide. Granted Ufo did get it right for HF RidervSaber at least.

>>40897160
>he's not supposed to roar
I actually liked both versions, Ufo obviously works better thematically but DEEN's Gilga screaming "onore" during the sword clashes was great aswell.
>apocrypha
It was way too memey with retarded masters doing retarded shit

>>40897190
I genuinely like Zero and consider Ufo's UBW one of my favourite anime so I'm definitely not saying this out of contrarianism. Either way, Servant fights are usually just very dull for me. Mage vs mage or mage vs Servant are usually better because Ufo can't go ham on them so they have to make the fight interesting by other means. Rin vs Illya, Shirou vs Rin at the school, Kirei vs Kiritsugu, Kiritsugu vs Kayneth, etc. are all way better than the HF M-scenes. If the fight is of some storytelling importance it can be great too, though. Gil vs Heracles is great but that's mainly because of the emotional stakes. The actual fight itself is just kind of boring with uninteresting choreography.

>>40897265
>I genuinely like Zero and consider Ufo's UBW one of my favourite anime so I'm definitely not saying this out of contrarianism. Either way, Servant fights are usually just very dull for me. Mage vs mage or mage vs Servant are usually better because Ufo can't go ham on them so they have to make the fight interesting by other means. Rin vs Illya, Shirou vs Rin at the school, Kirei vs Kiritsugu, Kiritsugu vs Kayneth, etc. are all way better than the HF M-scenes. If the fight is of some storytelling importance it can be great too, though. Gil vs Heracles is great but that's mainly because of the emotional stakes. The actual fight itself is just kind of boring with uninteresting choreography.

Lancer vs Archer, Archer vs Caster, Caster vs Rin, and Shirou vs Gil were top-tier choreography

Most of the fights are some chuunibyou shit and there's not much substance to be gathered even from the source. Choosing style is the right choice.

>>40897318
The secret is that what makes VN chuuni fights cool are the long walls of text that describe everything that's happening in great detail. It's harder to make that work in animated form since you can't just have characters standing and shouting their life philosophies at each other in a middle of a "fight". Well you can, but it would look silly.

>>40897160
>Faithful adaption of the novels.
The finale is a complete trainwreck because they added a shitty Rin filler in the middle.

>>40894567
Based, but not gonna happen since nips are more interested in that shit

I wonder why didn't ufotable bother animating some of the better bad endings and compiling a DVD/BD release. There's no way it wouldn't sell, right? Is Sparks Liner simply unadaptable to animation?

>>40897190
Rider vs Saber Alter hurts my eyes. I don't get how this shit got popular.

>>40897347
>It's harder to make that work in animated form since you can't just have characters standing and shouting their life philosophies at each other in a middle of a "fight". Well you can, but it would look silly.

They did that in the UBW anime, and y'all hated it.

>>40897551
It's like you didn't even read my post.

Why is Shirou vs Gil considered the best fight in the Fate franchise?

Shirou has no kind of relationship, background, or connection to Gilgamesh, which made the whole fight completely uncathartic.

Fate route's finale was better than UBW.

>>40897308
>Lancer vs Archer
Meh

>Archer vs Caster
Meh

>Caster vs Rin
Great fight but not because of the choreography

>Shirou vs Gil
Pure kino. But as above, little to do with the actual choreography and more to do with the storytelling. The way the direction, music and characterization combine to make for something special.

>>40897551
They hated it because secondaries didn't get it and the story always needs to spoonfeed people everything.

>>40897644
>Why is Shirou vs Gil considered the best fight in the Fate franchise?
Literally nobody says this.

>>40897534
That's because Ufotable is full of Sakurafags and the director is an uber wormfag so that was definitely gonna never happen ever

I always found the fight between Saber and Lancer at the start of Zero to be a good one for tactics and for choreography. Wish Ufotable stuck to those kinds of fights and didn’t start making them flashy and non-sensical. Even Zero isn’t free of this as the Rider vs Saber fight is retarded with him jumping to a tree to avoid Excalibur is still one of the worst conclusions to a Fate fight.

>>40897760
>Wish Ufotable stuck to those kinds of fights and didn’t start making them flashy and non-sensical. Even Zero isn’t free of this as the Rider vs Saber fight is retarded with him jumping to a tree to avoid Excalibur is still one of the worst conclusions to a Fate fight.

Don't blame Ufotable for Urobuchi's script

>>40896689
Thanks for posting this. Found a new artist to follow. I love their art style.

Damn, always forget Kerry has some great command seals. Which Master has your favorite command seals?

Based Wada

>>40897924
Your favorite master
Rin

>>40897956
Wada really is the best. Drawing cute art and giving people what they want.

>>40897996
Not a bad pick is a bit basic for my taste.

>>40897924
Not a Master but Jeanne's back tattoo Command Spells are one of my favourites.

>>40897924
I liked Illyas whole body being covered in the command seals or Kirei with his cheat code sleeve

>>40898145
>Kirei with his cheat code sleeve

Does it still work in Stay Night?

>>40898145
>command seals

command seal or command spells, which is the better localization?

>>40898173
Spell is a direct translation of 呪 and seals come from demonology as bindings for summoned demons so both are good. I just use them interchangeably.

>>40897644
Because "My whole life was Unlimited Blade Works"

>>40898286
Why did Nasu scrap Sacchin's route?

>>40898173
Of course it does, he shows it off during UBW when tells Lancer to kill himself.
>>40898316
Fate stay night released and put a nick in any further Tsuk projects

>>40889552
I want to download the character sets from the Remake, but the google drive links from the pastebin are not working. Where else can I get them?

>>40898134
Ciel tattoos done right

>>40896904
By we I meant TM. Should have clarified that.

>>40898025
The simplicity is its charm. It suits her and her elegance.

>>40898512
That makes even less sense.

>>40897665
>>Lancer vs Archer
>Meh
Woman opinion. Both fights were great in the anime.

I love the colours

>>40894557
There are multiple entries in Akasha. How do you think it works for Fabro?

>>40894557
Rin will always be part of his life. Nasu wants to make her the 2nd magician.

>>40894666
Rin may be a powerful mage anyway.

>>40894696
Fate fanfic are replacing him with Merlin who does that shit they memeed on Zelretch including officially showing in last ep manga adaptation he took Shirou to Avalon.

>>40897644
>Why is Shirou vs Gil considered the best fight in the Fate franchise?
According to whom?

Post based takes.

>>40899095
All the Tsukihime heroines except Kohaku are great.

>>40889552
I'm currently reading Nanako SOS from the Kagetsu Tohya VN. I haven't finished it yet. Weird that Arihiko is the mc of that part. I thought that Nanako is just another addition to Shiki's harem but seeing her interact with Inui and seeing or reading Arihiko finding out about the paranormal is kind of weird. At least Shiki isn't the only one who gets girls. I wonder what else Arihiko knows about the paranormal?

>>40899095
Nasu's still got it.

>>40899080
Saber fell off...

>>40899095
Type-moon should have done Tsukihime 2 visual novel right after F/HA, exploring the other DAAs, the demon blood, the burial agency and the Church. Instead of bastardizing their IPs by selling them for other authors and illustrators to use and doing weird shit like Extra.

>>40898411
https://www.spriters-resource.com/nintendo_switch/tsukihimeapieceofblueglassmoonjpn/sheet/160724/
Or just use ryujinx/yuzu to export the game files yourself. If you don't have an absolute potato as a pc it takes like 10 minutes at max. You get the CG's along with it too.

>>40899110
I always felt it was a shame that Arihiko wasn't some kind of secondary main character who could fight and get involved in the plot.

>>40899205
Wait for Red Garden.

>>40899110
It was a breath of fresh air to see his point of view, Arihiko is underrated. I think he could even fit the Melty Blood cast, since we already have Miyako and characters like Mech-Hisui. They could even use this story as his background and having Nanako help him fight.

>>40898564
Fujos love the two. So no, loving the Archer vs Lancer fights is the woman opinion here.

>>40898897
If Nasu turns Rin into the Second Magician but doesn't write some post-UBW SoL stuff at London of her and Shirou I will go to Japan to kill him.

>>40898411
https://www.spriters-resource.com/nintendo_switch/tsukihimeapieceofblueglassmoonjpn/
Fuck, I posted an individual link. Also forget about dumping the files yourself unless you want to delve into some decrypting shenanigans. I completely forgot about that part lol.

>>40899095
Castoria good

>>40899279
Ok, thanks.

>>40898897
Zelretch doesn’t mention that though? He already says all the seats are taken for a new Magician in the seat.

i don't know why but i'm starting to dislike kohaku more and more as the days go by

Man some people are going to call me pretentious or something but I think with the remake nasu missed a unique opportunity to lead tsukihime down the same path as Stay night/Zero/HA and KnK.
I feel like this remake and all the lore it's throwing around showed that nasu plans to make tsukihime his next cash cow for a couple of years...
As much as KnK doesn't receive sequels or attention, or some soulless madman didn't like HA, or Zero makes some cry for absurd inconsistencies. All these stories have their consistent themes, their solid characters in their small worlds... I don't know if anyone understands me but I think I would summarize it like this, nasu is expanding the world of tsukihime for something big when in reality it was just about the story of a teenager heading to a small world of vampires or demons.

>>40899715
You're talking as if the idea of Tsukihime 2 and its concepts aren't as old as Tsukihime itself.

>>40889552
How do Tohno Shiki's glasses work?

>>40899223
Looks like Nasu Tsukihime fanbase is too afraid of males who aren't DAA (so enemy), rival (certain oni), or fuckable trap like (Mario). Mario's henchmen fit more than Mecha Hisui crap and aren't there either. He needs to take a page from Fate in this aspect.

>>40899715
I know what you mean, but I'm not getting the vibe. Tsukihime has always had a spinoff in Melty Blood. I'm sure there's going to be an anime at some point. Maybe they'll try to do something else.
But I think the VN is self-contained as it is for now. You don't know to play or read anything else to know how it starts, how it ends and what it is about.

>>40899692
It's because she's the cause of a lot of the issues which occurred in the story and alot of characters suffered because of her. She gets painted as a dindu because most of her fans think her lol am so random quirky girl personality is her true one because after Tsukihime she got flanderised hard. It's also infuriating how the original route makes it ok that she did what she did and makes Akiha out to be the bad guy. Also not to mention what she did to both Shikis etc.
Shes just so fake but Nasu wants us to believe it's ok because she's such a jokester

>>40899736
I'm not at all against a sequel to Tsukihime or some kind of prequel like Kagetsu Tohya's short stories (I loved those)
I don't know how to say it but I feel like Nasu is preparing for something "bigger" than that and that's what worries me.
For example Melty blood (PLEASE DON'T KILL ME I LOVE GAMES) but I can't help but wonder what was the point in terms of story or themes other than expanding the lore a bit or things we didn't see before? Something that for me, Type lumina was an improvement since it was dedicated to doing alternative stories, alternative endings and that type of thing instead of trying to do some lame type of sequel like the previous melty bloods.

>>40899871
The problem with a sequel is that Nasu has never written a direct sequel to either of his VNs. The routes and heroines are too off branching and he's afraid to commit to one or the other. He always falls back on well "the mc is kinda but not really with the main heroine but also all the other routes are canon and happened but all the other heroines are still present." In trying to appease everyone I feel like he limits the setting and story pleasing no one.

>>40899862
Kohaku never truly goes through with anything irreversibly awful outside of the Hisui route, though. SHIKI and Makihisa were already monsters beyond saving. That said, I hate her flanderized lolrandum personality. She's supposed to be a mischievous tease who softly toys with those around her, not some silly hyperactive gamer girl who LARPs as a witch and Chinaman.

>>40899898
Nasu should just bite the bullet and make Akiha's route canon.

>>40899095
Supporting Nasu today is akin to being an unironic cuck.

>>40899095
Kara no Kyoukai should be rebooted. I don't care if it's VN or a Light Novel, the OG (even the anime) reeks of amateurish mistakes.

>>40899936
retard take

>>40899950
Please let Nasu do something new.

>>40899956
hope he sees this (while writing more cancerous FGOshit), bro

>>40899962
Does he even want to at this point?

>>40899974
holy obsessed

>>40899898
Nah I wouldn't worry too much about the sequel, nasu is able to write something to justify putting together the alternate routes stories like he did with Hollow Ataraxia, Kagetsu tohya and melty blood. I'm more concerned about where the world of tsukihime is going to expand after that, it may go the way of Stay night in which only Zero and HA are the "main or original" stories and then they just use the world of fate into completely different things like Extra or Fgo.

>>40899982
mahoyo 2 coming after red garden

>>40899715
The story of Tsukihime is self-contained, but its world was never that small, one of the main premises of the story is the hunt for the 27 dead apostles, and there is also the demon blood versus demon hunters on the far side. There was always much more to explore beyond what was shown, but they could not extrapolate, since the focus was ROA and Shiki family issues.

>>40900004
holy cope

>>40900038
We had a new Type-Moon VN come out last year, people like you are mentally rotted and obsessed with gachashit despite claiming to hate it.

>>40900054
>commenting on the main game that has monopolized the hack's attention for over half a decade means you're obsessed and mentally rotted
>you talked about it so you must actually like it
Just admit you don't have an argument, cuck.
>he FINALLY released the remake that was put on the backburner after 7 years of milking paypiggies, h-he's actually le heckin' based!
I can smell the cum on your breath from here.

I respect Nasu's grindset

>>40899715
I never really got this complaint. Tsukihime already had a spin-off that had huge world building and lore that can be used for the future in Melty Blood. It’s too late to put the genie back in the bottle. It’s a big expansive world that has many players in it with their own machinations that don’t involve Shiki. I’m more than happy to get Tsukihime stories that don’t involve him and expand the scope of Tsukihime. We need more church stories in general since that’s been sorely lacking in the Nasuverse.

>>40900116
...and you argument is buying anything Type-Moon related is equivalent to letting a bunch of Tyrones have sex with your wife? You clearly have the most sound argument ITT. My sincerest apologies.

>>40900116
You talk like a retard and a fag. Go back to /fgog/ so you can shit out more garbage there.

>>40900116
improve your falseflagging skills a little bit more, gachatard. Your entire post smells like shit.

>type-moon releases shit I don't give a fuck about (FGO, extra, etc.)
I ignore it.
>type-moon releases cool things (Tsuki R, Mahoyo remaster, etc.)
I play it.

>>40900163
Apparently this is the hardest thing in the world to do.

>>40900163
Yes, this is me too

>>40900163
same.

>>40900163

>>40900163
>tyrone fucks my wife
I ignore it.
>my wife is willing to let me watch as tyrone fucks her
I watch it.

>>40900163
Holy based me too.

>>40900241
It’s funny that you gachafags always talk about this cuck shit. You may get a more receptive audience with your fellow cucks at /fgog/.

>>40900241
Why did you feel the need to broadcast that you're a cuckold to this thread?

More lore dropped. Not much new there, but found this interesting.
Magecraft and Hexcraft

Technology used by Ciel and Roa. Known as magecraft—spatial interference and application methods based on rituals (systems).
Anyone can use it with enough training, but the potency depends on the individual’s own qualities (the number and quality of their Magic Circuits).
In the story of Tsukihime, runes, kabbalah, hexcraft, witchcraft, wonderworking, etc, are all bundled together as magecraft. Xian arts and esoteric buddhism are also included in this, but as they are part of a different faction, they are not brought up in Tsukihime.
It is basically all-purpose, but cannot make the impossible possible.
At the end of the day, magecraft is a technique for abbreviating the processes of methods possible to the individual themselves.
Even if there was magecraft that allowed one to go to the moon, it would still require preparation with costs on par with—or even exceeding—that of actually creating a rocket.
“Sure, it’s amazing being able to shoot fire from one’s hands—but nothing more than just amazing. If all you wanna do is shoot some fire, wouldn’t it be more efficient to just bring a blowtorch?”
This is the simplest explanation you can give regarding magecraft in TYPE-MOON lore.
You could say that magecraft is something which modern science can substitute for.
But you could also say that magecraft can substitute for science.
Seperate from this, that which can perform things impossible to realize through modern human technology is what is called Magic.
By the time of Tsukihime’s story, that which can be called Magic have decreased to five.

>>40900267
Fujimaru's wife Arcuied-chama is too cute.

>>40900148
>Tyrones
Lol? Why is this the first thing your mind goes to a black guy?

>>40900163
this, fr no cap

>>40900299
I watch cuckold BBC hypno porn on a daily basis.

I hate Americans, time to erase them.

stop replying

>gachashit comes up
>suddenly cuckposting
Why are FGOfags like this?

>>40900330
I thought calling them FGOcucks was just a meme. I didn't realize they actually were into that.

Personally I don't care much about FGO and how it delayed X or Y because my life doesn't revolve around the writing output of a retarded nip.

>jerking off to loli scat is OK according to /tmg/
>but jerking off to BBC is not OK
What's wrong with this general?

>>40900163
>>40900241
>>40900330
>>40900354
Who are you quoting?

>>40900353
>stop having opinions on things!
We have a 100000iq post right here.

Glad to see Shiki being born from incest is still a thing. Also interesting that the Nanaya are related to Karma. A shame he didn’t mention Kiri and his pure eyes that Shiki Nanaya has.

Psychic Abilities

Special abilities endowed to the body from birth such as those possessed by Shiki, Kohaku and Hisui are known as physic abilities.
They are impossible to gain after birth through either training or study.
Through successive inbreeding, it is possible to pass on these psychic abilities to some extent, even if it is not possible to perfectly reproduce the ability possessed by the parent.
Shiki, who comes from a clan known as Nanaya that have passed along a mutant gene, could be seen as an even further mutation.
(*The Nanayas’ special ability is not associated with ‘death’, but rather concerns ‘karma’. The reason this altered into ‘death’ with Shiki is because of his near-death experience)

Nasu really being heavy with that foreshadowing the ‘death of space’ concept.


Mystic Eyes of Death Perception

The peculiar ability possessed by the protagonist Shiki. Categorized as a psychic ability.
He can see the normally imperceivable ‘lines of death’, something akin to the point of collapse in all things.
These lines of death are like seams, which means all it takes to sever an object is to run a blade through them.
The strength and hardness of the object does not matter. No matter how hard or frail, the feeling is always the same. Perceivable = Cuttable.
In addition, as things dismembered by the lines of death ‘kills’ that specific part, no healing is possible. This is because the severed part has died on the existential level, even if it only looks like it has been cut.

Shiki is a living being and thus able to better understand the death of things that are alive just as he is—this is why he unconsciously perceives the lines of death of the living.
However, Shiki himself can stress his consciousness and overexert his eyeballs to visualize even the ordinarily incomprehensible lines of death on inanimate objects, through which he can perceive even the ‘death of space—death of existence’, as an ultimate locality. (If Shiki perceives the lines to this level, his own brain becomes unable to withstand it)

In addition to the lines of death, there are the points of death, which stand above the lines.
If the lines of death are blood vessels, the points of death are hearts.
Those that have had their point of death pierced are killed in literally a single strike. Just as in the case with the ‘death of space’, Shiki has to overexert himself, or else he cannot see them.

An important point is that while the lines of death exist in all things, there are differences in how distinct they are.
Putting it simply: the lines of death are lifespan.
He can easily perceive the death of humans who only have the lifespan of about fifty to a hundred years, but it is difficult for him to perceive the death of existences who possess a lifespan in the hundreds or thousands of years.
Meaning, as long as he is trying to perceive the concept of death as a shape, he cannot quite so readily grasp it coming from things that are difficult to kill.
This is the reasoning behind why when Shiki is up against Greater Dead Apostles or Arcueid in the story, he has to push his consciousness to the limit if he wants to perceive their deaths.

(*Greater Dead Apostles are ‘hard to kill’, while Arcueid ‘cannot die’. Shiki’s murder of Arcueid in the beginning of the game made the impossible possible. In the Tsukihime world, things like Arcueid dying or Arcueid being killed were events outside of what was normal.)

True Ancestors

Those treated as the ‘original bloodsuckers’ in the Tsukihime world.
They are the cause of the vampires who run rampant among the public, even if the True Ancestors themselves are a far cry from the common perception people have surrounding vampires.
They are few in number and exceedingly close to immortal.
Even if they are exposed to sunlight, it would only ever give them slight anemia, and they are not affected by the cleansing rites employed by any religions either.
True Ancestors are not individuals independent of the natural world like humans, but an older species still at one with nature.
That they’re often misunderstood as undying and eternally youthful is because they are the planet’s sense of touch. In the first place their time-scale is different from that of humans.
Their lifespan is naturally immense; its limits, so to speak, are only those of nature itself. True Ancestors and fairies are something akin to the planet’s white blood cells. So they possess abilities sufficient to exterminate any of the various factors which would do harm to the planet.
However, at the time of their birth, a singular error occurred within them.
Probably due to the influence of that after which they were modeled.
They turned out to possess the desire—the primordial, survival-oriented desire—to ingest the blood of intelligent lifeforms.
Moreover, because they were incarnated as protectors, their objectivity was diluted. They gained autonomy, as one of the many species living on the planet. Basically, they came in possession of a sense of values closer to that of a human’s.

As they have ceased to be free of self-interest—such as noncorporeal elementals ought to be—they have lost sight of their role as protectors, to the point that among them some have even become like humans, and gained independence from the natural world.
Those known as the True Ancestors have no limits.
As a result of being provided back-up from the planet, if the need should arise, they can strengthen their abilities until that need is met. (However, the amount and speed that each True Ancestor can increase it by differs per individual)
In addition, the power of their will is enough to take actual form, meaning that the thoughts of the True Ancestor becomes a weapon on its own, influencing even the world.
Fantasy Materialization—also known as Marble Phantasm—the reformulation of the world through probabilistic fluctuations.
However, they cannot directly interfere with individuals that have become independent from the world like humans or animals. Humans have weakened by distancing themselves from nature, but at same time, will not perish even if nature itself does—obtaining absolute freedom. At the of the day, Marble Phantasm can only freely exert change unto the environment and the situation.
As a slight digression, if the ridiculous situation of a castle appearing in the middle of a city at night was to occur, this is thought to be because the vampire (True Ancestor) suzerain of it willed it into creation.
[...]

>>40900458
The True Ancestors are a species which are practically gods, but they do have a flaw.
Though True Ancestors, they are still bloodsuckers. It is the very act of sucking blood itself which serves as their silver stake to the heart.
Though they are the cause that created the vampires (Dead Apostle) on Earth, they themselves have absolutely no need for drinking blood to continue living. The energy they need for that they can get through the ingestion of calories.
That said, they cannot go against their instinct as a species (to ingest and partake in the information of intelligent life = bloodsucking), which results in them sucking the blood of humans.
They execute humans in order to bring harmony to nature—though in actuality, they need them more than anything else in order to fulfill their own desires.
This contradiction causes the minds of these proud beings to collapse in on themselves. The more blood these proud elementals suck, the more they degenerate into beasts, craving pleasure the same as any human would.

This degeneration is rightly called ‘falling to evil’.
True Ancestors which have this happen to them forget the consciousness they have birthed for themselves and become a powerful vampire who begins corrupting the world.
As they do not have lifespans, ‘to lose sight of their values’ is the same as their ‘death of self’.
In order to prevent this death of consciousness, True Ancestors use a large part of their abilities to inhibit their vampiric urges.
The longer they withstand their desire to suck blood, the more it grows, yet they keep suppressing it—an unending battle of perseverance. By slamming the tremendous power of their will up against their own mind, they can control their desire to drink human blood.
Invariably, as they hold back on sucking blood more and more, the time eventually comes when they realize that they cannot suppress their vampiric urges any longer and so they enter into an eternal sleep by their own will. This is the activity threshold for those with an endless lifespan—one could perhaps say it is what humans would actually call their lifespan.

Dead Apostles

Something much like what the public at large imagines of a vampire.
Weak to sunlight, sucks human blood, transforms into beasts or mist and is immortal.
Called vampires in the game out of a consideration to make things easier to understand.
*However, the creature known as the vampire started being talked about in the 1900s. In real folklore, they are actually the monster with the least pedigree. In contrast, werewolves, who are often seen as their henchmen, are a monster passed down from days of old—in fact, parts of what the vampire was modeled after was taken from the characteristics of werewolves.
That’s why in the world of Tsukihime, they are more properly treated as bloodsuckers—the general term for things that suck blood from their own kind.

Dead Apostles are—just as one would imagine from their name—dead. They are divided into those that have been transformed into one by some kind of magecraft, and those that have had their blood sucked by a True Ancestor, and become its puppet.
Unlike True Ancestors, both of these kinds have to suck human blood in order to survive. Blood is considered a necessity for their vital activities.
They are also weak to sunlight, and as they are unable to completely rid themselves of the shared awareness of being human, they are defeated when faced with religious cleansing rites.