/jp/ - Otaku Culture

No, hippies piss me off worse than slanty-eyed gremlins. I wish they took each other out.

fok u wuhale

Oh, it's this thread again.

I'd rather support whalers, than a shitty eco terrorist group full of attentionwhores.

More like it's time dumb hippies got a lesson in boat collisions with larger boats. oh wait

fag status: told

Their entire methodology seems stupid and out of whack to me. Instead of pouring money (this boat was what, $5m usd?) into these silly distraction tactics, why ship in some Somalians?

it's ok, they were only australians

I lol'd when some people started claiming the whaling vessel "purposely rammed" the batman boat

They deserved it anyway.
Too bad they didn't sink and die.

>>4083134
There's video footage around of them doing it.

Also ignoring mayday calls is not legal.

ファキュ　ウェハル

>>4083165
There's video footage of the whaling ship already going in one direction, then the greenpeace boat sailing straight into its path.

>>4083165
Yes and in that video ady gil clearly sails in front of them. Your point?

Japan rolls again

>>4083165
You can ignore mayday calls from vessels attacking you if you fear there is danger in taking them aboard.

Are you really going to rescue a bunch of frothing greentards who just tried to unsuccessfully attack you?

i think it's a cool ship.

>>4083166
i read that as "fuck you ueharu"

South Park Whale Episode is on right now

>>4083123

All New zealanders and one dutchfag actually.

I agree send in the somalians

>>4083165
Neither is piracy, which is what Sea Shepherd is doing. Your point being?

>>4083547
They downloads musics?

>>4083553
The other kind of piracy. The one with peglegs, eyepatches, parrots, and scurvy.

ITT ecofags with absolutely know knowledge of maritime law have a shitfit that the batboat did something dumb and got cleaved in two.

>>4083547
Pointing laser pointers at whalers isn't piracy, bro.

oh shit we just fucked up yo ride dawg

>>4083569
trying to sabatoge their boat is.

I bet you're one of those faggots that's trying to save polar bears.

Japan is justice,

Awesome lets find the other threads too and bump them all to the front page.

>>4083569
No, but throwing acid at them, jamming their propellers, and attempting to cause damage to their ships is.

I dunno. As much as I hate whaling, I hate hippie protesters even more. Its like, lesser of two evils.

They are breaking Australian law by whaling in our waters. Sad that the worst they get is a bunch of hippies harassing them: we should be launching cruise missiles.

>>4085306
It's just rotten butter, man.

So a bunch of retards sail their tiny boat in front of a massive ship that can crush them and the retards on the massive ship decide to put their pedal to the metal. Too bad the whole thing didn't explode in a glorious retard killing blaze.

>>4085343
>The so-called "Australian Antartic Territory" or "Australian Whale Sanctuary" is in no way a legtimate maritime claim. In fact, only 4 out of 194 countries even recongnize this claim. Japan is NOT one of those four.

>>4085343

Wow, so the nips managed to get this butthurt when they were fishing inside Australia's EEZ again?

Man, you guys are pussies. I think the good old UNITED STATES OF AMERICA should intervene and kill the hippies and the whalers.

Why does the japanese boat say research on the side? How much research does a fat japanese man do while he's chowing down on a bowl of whale blubber?

>>4085343
Australia doesn't give a fuck, goddammit. The whales aren't even close to being endangered, the Japanese are putting them to good use, and it's some backwater place we don't even care about owning anyway. It's kind of a dick move on the nips part but who gives a fuck really? Just these PETA-tier attention whores who care more about publicity than results.

>>4085386

I don't give a fuck about the whales but I do care about these fucking nips ignoring our requests and parading around our waters. It's the principle of it, bro.

>>4085402
They aren't YOUR waters, you just claim them to be.

>>4085406

They are mine and if Australia wasn't so full of pussies the Japs would be slumming in jail right now. If they tried to pull this shit near the US they'd be sunk.

>>4085410
>They are mine

I don't think the australian government agrees with you as they aren't doing shit.

>If they tried to pull this shit near the US they'd be sunk.

I'm not sure about that, but I know that the whalers are allowed to whale in the artic waters in the name of research.

>>4085410
Haha. Stupid Ausfag thinks his country is worth half a shit on the international theatre.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Australian Federal Police recently detain a bunch of these Sea Faggots following a request by Japan? Your government hates those eco-terrorists just as much as the whalers.

inb4 massive reparation fees for the suicide hippies from GLORIOUS NIPPON hurr durr

Oh no Japan retaliated when we were being pretty much asking for trouble lets complain to everyone.

There are better ways to stop whaling than putting tiny boats in the way of huge ones.

>>4085423
because if they don't see you sell it; it's research, right?

>>4085440

Agreed. Like putting small bombs in the way.

>>4085440
>when we were being pretty much asking for trouble

what the fuck did i just type

>>4085449
But small bombs is overkill!
On a side note, Akinator knows about Small Bombs

Yeah, small bombs should do the trick.

I for one would not mind a war between Australia and Japan.

>>4085474
>Akinator knows about small bombs
Bullshit.

>>4085483

better bring 2, just in case

>>4085485

Can't happen. Japan is on the US leash, fool. They don't even have their own military.

>>4085485
Japanese loves Australian comedian.

Ecoterrorism is just as bad as Muslim terrorism. Australia is going to get invaded.

>>4085485
Not a good idea. Japan is defended by the Americans. America vs. Australia = OH NO THE WOMBATS ARE ALL ON FIRE

>>4085497

lol wombats on fire.

And arent australia and america allies too?

Im Australian, fuck the whales. dicks in their rich boat got what was comming to them. Theyre part of a group who has boasted about sinking whaling ships in the past, i think thats grounds enough to give them a kick for being whinny bitches.

>>4085497
America has a better relationship with Australia than it does with Japan. Honestly, do you people have a fucking brain? Australia never declared war on America, for one thing.

>>4085517
Doesn't matter how close they are, America is bound by its treaty with Japan to defend them in the event of war.

>>4085487

Never heard of a gayer boat than the Rainbow Warrior

Australia couldn't even beat a flock of birds.

>>4085497

lmao, I now have this image of a Japanese illustration of a wombat on fire and the Crocodile Hunter laughing his ass off

I don't know why people care about whales, tuna are being overfished but eco-terrorists don't give a shit.

>>4085524

The crocodile hunter is DEEEEAAAAADDDDDD!

>>4085497

To be fair, America-Japan relations are rather cool right now due to their bitching about the Okinawa base and America-Australia relations are rather warm due to Australia's repeated co-operation(And by co-operation, I mean we're butt-fucking them like the little bitches they are) on multi-national copywrite bills.

It's pretty highly likely that we might just make the japs agree to stay the fuck out of there, or simply refuse to intervene and just make the Australian Navy actually do some patrolling of their own waters and kick the japs out.

>>4085524

>>4085525
Is salmon being over-fished? Because salmon is some sort of miracle fish that is very delicious.

Tuna can go fuck itself.

>>4085485
So would I. This was a New Zealand registered vessel those evil nips deliberately crashed into. I propose that Australasia declare war on Japan.

The JSDF is made up of pussies. This should be a quick easy battle.

>>4085535

Most fish are, simply because people don't realise that the sea can not magically make more fish appear.

Is wombat tasty?

The thing is, I dont want Japan to go to war for three reasons.
1) the Americans will have to chose between their allies and that will get ugly
2) the Japanese have already proven that they are evil motherfuckers in war and will probably draw and quarter any Tazmanian devils they capture.
and
3) I don't want any disruption in my regular stream of anime and porn.

>>4085548
Actually, it can. But only at a certain rate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6MymqeXhl0

The laser beam of the Australian hero.

>>4085549
It tastes like mole, more or less.

>>4085550
masturbation is more important then the whales?

>>4085537

it was a shitty rich ass EcoFag piece of shit.

What the hell were they thinking Carbon fiber > iron?

>>4085549
No, its extremely tough, dense and bitter. Kangaroo and Emu are delicious. Koala tastes like piss and VD.

>>4085564

Kangaroo is fucked

i wouldnt eat a rat, and a kangaroo is a hueg hopping rat

Fun to shoot though, lol

>>4085548
Fuck, man. Salmon is too good.

It would never happen, Japan is one of Australia's biggest customers. Only economic retardation could make Australia take any serious action against Japan, or any country for that matter. The US is obligated to side with Japan when it's in need of defense help since Japan has the US by the balls, economically.

>>4085562
I think about masturbation several times a day. I think about whales once a month at best. So yeah.

>>4085548

But Jesus can.

>>4085579
Speaking of which, isn't it about time Jesus showed up again? I mean, fashionably late is one thing but this is just ridiculous.

I really want to try some Unagi before it goes extinct

>>4085563
you're asking logic from the impossible, they are trying to fuck people around in international waters, after all.

>>4085575
You mean China. Japan is nearly as irrelevant as Australia.

>>4085594
Ahaha, no.

>>4085594
Even with their current problems Japan is still one of the top ten economic powers in the world.

>>4085589

tell me /jp/ what am I missing?

>>4085594
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/2006Australian_exports.PNG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

They should pack what's left of the ship with explosives and send it towards the whalers by remote

OP is right, we should nuke those anti-whaling assholes and finally stop them from terrorizing the whalers!

It would be hilarious if Japan and Australia went to war. It would be a massacre, for Australia.

>>4085575
>Japan has US by the balls economically.

Explain yourself.

>>4085620

Those whalers are probably just trying to make a living.

>>4085610
Wait wait wait wait.
Why do they count the EU countries as a whole, then count them separately?

>>4085640

So Europeans can say they're superior to Americans.

>>4085643
Then why does the CIA do it too?

By the way, are there many supporters of this terrorist in Australia?

The Japanese laugh for the moment.

>>4085628
Until recently, Japan was the US's biggest creditor, and still basically about the same as China. The only reason China gets mentioned more is because it's "ZOMG COMMIES".
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/18/AR2008111803558.html

>>4085639
Those eco terrorists are trying to make a living too. A very lucrative one, apparently.

america could not handle a war with australia or japan, their economy is in a state of collapse and their military was badly beaten in iraq. this could push them over the edge.

>>4085649
The media sensationalises it, so I'd guess so, at least amongst the lower classes.

>>4085650
Also, while Japan may own our economy we own their military so its all good. Fucking China, though. Dem Chinese, man. LOL 2CHINAMAN

>>4085646

The CIA does a lot of strange things. Hell, back in the 60s they kidnapped people and tried to make truth serums and mind control drugs.

>>4085651

they can afford to fuck up a 2M boat, they apparently have enough money

>>4085654
>military badly beaten in Iraq.
The US lost about 4000 soldiers over the course of six years.
Out of almost two million.

>>4085659

To be fair, If China actually tried to collect on our debt, they'd end up sinking their own economy aswell, as the yuan is intimately attached to the dollar.

>>4085668
Can't collect on a debt when your debtor is broke.

>>4085668

The world economy is fucked. what else is new?

>>4085673

China should ask to buy all of USA's nukes

>>4085661
no, they need to waste those penny boats to rake in the REAL cash

>>4085654
>economy in a state of collapse
Economy is stable. US goes into recessions every fifteen-twenty years like clockwork. Its nothing new.
>badly beaten in Iraq
Last I heard they won the war in three weeks, and managed to hold off a terrorist insurection long enough to establish a modestly stable democratic government, forcing the insurgents to flee to other nations. Sounds like they achieved their goals.

>>4085679

More like the world economy is America's bitch.

>>4085673

Amusingly enough, the united states could pay off it's entire debt in a year if measures became desperate. We'd have to stop gallivanting around the globe with our 1.4 million troops.

In fact, the United States is better off debt wise than a good chunk of the world. Including most of Europe and Japan.

>>4085699
We could keep the troops and pay it off no problem. Of course, this would mean Congress would have to be fiscally responsible for only a single year, something that would never happen if you gave them the entire length of the universe.

>>4085693
which is why the Obama administration is sending in more troops in the in spite of promises of the opposite, right?

>>4085693
And yet they aren't even smart enough to encrypt their drone's data.

>>4085707
>Obama
>Promises
Whoa, I never thought I would see those words in the same sentence.

>>4085708
Yeah that was pretty fucking stupid.

>>4085705

Debts created by Congress are actually pretty easy to ignore, as it's effectively a debt to the American people. We don't actually fund our internal projects with overseas money, but instead put it on credit to the American people. Naturally, this isn't a GOOD thing, as it either destroys confidence in the US treasury or results in the treasury printing money(Both result in inflation). On a world scheme, however, the money isn't actually collectible by anyone but us, and we can take our sweet time.

I wish people could argue the silliness of those guys and what they're doing without also trying to act cool and edgy by saying things like "hippies" and "fuck whales" etc. It's hard to take any of you seriously.

>>4085717
not if it's a positive sentence, you wouldn't.

>>4085733
I guess it'd depend on which guys you're talking about, and the fact that this is /jp/.

>>4085733
Do you actually take anything on the internet seriously?

>>4085735
I mean ever. Its like the media forgot that Obama made about two hundred promises that he never came through on. Which I don't have a problem with, considering most of them were fucking stupid.

>>4085733
Wait, you take 4chan seriously? If I wanted to argue seriously, I'd talk to my professors.

>>4085733
Considering that we have people talking about war between japan and australia over whales and a redneck US nationalist saying they could pay off their debt in a year, I don't think you should try to take any of this too seriously.

>>4085750
There are plenty of wrong ways to go about environmentalism, but it doesn't mean people have to put on a front of apathy just to say that.

and yeah, /jp/ is hopeless.

>>4085733

but they are hippies.


and fuck wales...

seriously, couldn't they go talk to japan instead of spending money on ridiculous boats?

>>4085757
>implying you could argue seriously on the level of a professor.

>>4085751
I know I don't!

>>4085752
>Obama
Don't you mean...
>Politicians

>>4085757
>Implying you aren't a NEET

>>4085757
If your academics took their job seriously, they wouldn't waste time arguing with you.

>>4085767
Debt is just over a trillion. Tenth of annual US GDP. 20 percent tax increase for a year, pay it off. This would of course destroy the economy for the next decade or two to come, and relies on Congress not spending on pork and THE POOR STARVING CHILDREN IN MY HOMETOWN WHO NEED A 200 MILLION DOLLAR AIRPORT, which won't happen. I'm saying its POSSIBLE, but not feasible.

Also, since when is California redneck?

>>4085774
They probably did, and are butthurt that the Japanese government did jack shit to stop it though they probably expected that so, here we are, playing bump-ships.

>>4085782
..If they took their job seriously then they would be glad to engage a student who was willing to share his opinion.

>>4085782
If you're good at arguing, it can be one of the most effective ways to teach someone.

i wish I was ;_;

>>4085778
Yes, but more so. He's like the politician stereotype played completely straight and with no shame.

Funny how a hippy is advocating nuclear warfare.

If the world was full of reasonable and intelligent people like me, shit like this would never happen. You ever thought that?

>>4085794

20% tax increase?

Jesus
Fucking
Christ

>>4085806

Yeah, i think that too

>>4085775
You haven't met very many Poli Sci professors, have you? Chemistry professor, yes. History, maybe.

>>4085797
Colleges and universities are not for teaching people. At least, not in America. They aren't accountable at all.

>>4085767
>a redneck US nationalist saying they could pay off their debt in a year

US tax revenue is currently 2 trillion dollars a year. China doesn't even hold a trillion dollars of our debt. Two thirds of the current national debt is effectively owed by the US to it's own citizens. Tax rates are currently incredibly low compared to historical rates.

The United States, if we wanted to, could pay our foreign debts in a single year.

But it's easier to just not bother, since sinking the US will likely sink whoever is collecting.

>>4085805
japanese arent people

>>4085794
>since when is California redneck
Since Europeans don't realize calling a Californian redneck is like calling an Englishman a slav.

what kind of research are they doing on the whales

>>4085856
Taste testing.

>>4085856

Taste testing.

>>4085858
>>4085859

>>4085856
A research on how it gets that tasty

>>4085856
>>4085858

Sounds scientific enough.

one of the big problems is how the japanese are completely brutal in how they kill the whales, ripping them open and leaving them to bleed to death, cutting them up while they are still alive and shit. its world war II all over again.

>>4085876
Whales aren't people.

>>4085866

Indeed. It is completely respectable.

The problem is that they have a bad habit of misreporting the number of whales they've researched.

Also, It seems Australians are kind of pissed at them for fishing in their national whale sanctuary.

>>4085882
Because you need to be a person to feel pain, right?

>>4085888

You have to be a human to care about pain inflicted on other species.

>>4085888
Do you eat meat?

>>4085895
Golf clap. Now try saying something relevant.

>>4085895

I am supposedly a "human" (??) and I dont give a shit about any species

what does that make me

>>4085895
Wrong. Animals of other species can and do become friends.

>>4085912
Kind of a jerk, probably. Or someone who thinks caring about stuff is uncool or whatever.

>>4085912

Edgy and grim dark.

>>4085912

The statement does not imply that all humans care about pain inflicted on others, but merely that only humans can care about pain inflicted on other species to the degree we do.

>>4085910

A whale wouldn't care if you were bleeding to death. Why should you care about whales being eaten?
Though, a dolphin might consider raping you in your dying state, if you want to argue about other underwater mammals.

>>4085904
Seconding this.

This reminds me of the yotsuba comic where that guy shows her how they prepare a fish by flaying it, dumping it in salt and shoving a skewer through it's eye while it's still alive. Japanese are truly lower than animals.

>>4085933
My dog appears to care when I'm in pain, I don't know if that's oh he's around me when he would normally be but if I think about it like this it makes me feel better goggles though.

If whale meat becomes expensive, the Australian begins whaling.

I'm getting tired of you all.

If this keeps up, I'm going to cast heaven into hell and let the flames of perdition cleanse history of your filth.

>>4085876
Nature isn't exactly "humane" either. On shit like National Geographic, you can see hyenas ganging up on a small wildebeest calf, chasing it down while occasionally biting a chunk of meat off. And once it collapses, they start digging into the stomach, wrenching guts and other innards out while the poor thing still screams.

What do you expect people to do to catch whales anyway? They're not exactly easy to knock out with a swift strike to the neck or anything. In the same vein, shocking it with high voltage doesn't work with something that big and is in the water.

>>4085962
Do it then.

>>4085933
What a retarded argument. We shouldn't care about other creatures that can feel and appreciate pain because they are incapable of returning the sentiment? If there are life forms in the universe far more advanced than us let's hope don't feel the same way you do.

>>4085947

Of course your pet cares about you. Animals are completely capable of forming bonds and companionship.

However, would a stray dog care? I'm afraid not.

If you'd like to think of a type of animal that deserves coddling, I would go with Elephants. The only creature that has willingly demonstrated compassion for complete strangers of any species. They attempt to bury the dead of their own, and even other species as well. They deliberately attempt to avoid crushing all the tiny creatures under them if they can.(Now you know why Elephants are "scared" of mice and avoid them.)

>>4085962
uhh...

[x] GENUFLECT

can I eat human meat

is that cool

>>4085945
then don't eat anything and kill yourself

>>4085987
sure why not

>>4085987
Sure, there is plenty to go around! It also fixes our problem of what to do with our dead!

>>4085995
Soylent green is people!

>>4085987
it tastes like pork except crappy.

>>4085987
let's go asianing

>>4085980

What an amusing strawman. If a civilization was more "advanced" than us, they would surely be sentient, and thus capable of compassion as we are. In fact, one would theorize that they would be even more so, as they are more "advanced" than us.

Of course, not that this matters. The nature of the universe is cruel, judging by the nature of life on earth. It is highly likely that any intelligent life we encounter will be exactly as you say. Completely alien to us, and incapable of compassion as humanity perceives it.

Nature has demonstrated that caring for other species beyond your own is a loser's game.

If there are any Australians in this thread I just want you to know I'm laughing at you.

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>>4086033
thanks for the update, sageanon

IF GOD DIDNT WANT US TO KILL WHALES WHY DID HE MAKE THEM SO TASTY

>>4086023
Compassion usually comes with the social aspect of many species.

If you were just some predator animal like a leopard, you wouldn't need to give a shit about anything else.

However, if you're a social species, what happens to one member of your group is important, and to not give a shit means your group isn't going to last very long.

On the other hand, you could just be like ants, mass-reproducing like mad and eating everything. However, that kind of environment wouldn't be very conducive to growth of intelligence and technology that a social society would have.

>>4086023
You missed the point completely. Well, no, you sort of got it but then you failed to draw the parallel with what you were saying in your original argument. Oh well.

>>4085981

In fact, to add to this if you like guilt, Elephants are also one of the rare types of Animals capable of self-consciousness, and recognizing themselves in mirrors. They also have emotions rather similar to humans. Did you know they cry for their own dead? Elephants are also still widely illegally hunted for Ivory.

manbeef.com

>>4085885
>>4085933
>>4085963
>>4085981
>>4086023
>>4086052
>>4086066
ITT Philosophy 101

>>4086067
...perhaps due to something more important that so called 'compassion', for humans. Shall we call it 'profit'?

hopefully the australian navy gets involved

>>4086052

Hence why my original argument was not that caring for other species is retarded, but that caring for them beyond your own self interest is.

>>4086066

And what parallel did I fail to draw? I stated that it is highly likely that any intelligent species we may someday encounter are highly likely to be as heartless as myself, if not more. The nature of the universe is cruel. I present you a reverse pascal's wager. Why not not bother with compassion for lesser species. On the chance we encounter a heartless species, we will have lost nothing. On the chance we encounter a compassionate species, we will also lose nothing. In the mean time, we will have saved ourselves a headache.

>>4086090

Excellent deduction. Profit is what makes the world go round, and trade is the foundation of humanity. The funny thing about trade is that it's best done without compassion at all.

The Australian whaled in old days, too.
The value of the whale falls, and they stop whaling now.
If a whale becomes expensive, they begin whaling.

>>4086067
Ok then.
Stop eating pork, beef or chicken then.

I for one still want to try whale burger when I go to Japan one of this day.

The intelligence argument is pretty meaningless coming from any country that eats pigs. Their intelligence is comparable, yet westerners gobble them up without a second thought.

>>4083077
wow,, you're really butthurt over this.