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>>4082581
Yeah, she does seem to hate delusions alot. Like, she went out of her way to break Natsuhi....

>bern
>posting rika

>>4082591
>implying bern is not rika

>>4082591
Denialfag is in denial.

>>4082594
>>4082597
>implying she is

>>4082597
>>4082594
NO STOP IT LET ME LIVE WITH MY ILLUSIONS

>>4082605
Guess who loves destroying people's dreams and illusions?

How many times does this need to be explained?
The Rika we know and love from Higurashi IS Bern. That is to say, the Rika who is AWARE of the loop is Bernkastel, she says as much in Higurashi Rei, fuck, Rei exists to explain it to us. There are Rika's in everything fragment, but Bernkastel writes them over with herself. So the Rika we see in the VN and the anime? She's Bernkastel.

We've been over this. Unless Rika's good end is retconned Bern is a different person.

>>4082617
Lies. Bernkastel is Feathrine's Miko. Featherine is CLEARLY not Hanyuu, therefore Bern is not Rika.

>>4082621
>>4082617
OH GOD WHO DO I TRUS

>>4082621
Someone didn't read episooooooooooooode 6!

>>4082627
>Featherine
>Not Hanyuu

Uh, bro.... hate to break this to you....

Both. She's gonna fuck Beato and Battler up.

>>4082617
And the Rikas whose personalities she replaces? They're gone for good.

Makes you wonder why it took so long for Ryukishi07 to show Hanyuu's evil side.

>>4082627
>Featherine is CLEARLY not Hanyuu

>>4082621
Even after Rika's good end, Bernkastel continued to exist as a separate entity.

>>4082633
>>4082646
It's true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB0VDtoKVyA
SURE IS SUPER SCRIPTION OF DATA IN HERE

>>4082652
Get the fuck out of here Moon-chan!

Bern is Rika you fucking morons episode 6 confirms it goddamn delusional faggots.

>>4082673
Not true

>>4082673
>implying /jp/ can read moon

>>4082675
Somebody post the translation for the Episode 6 ??? that's been floating around, please.

Don't mind me, just leaving mango proof

I'll just leave this right here....

>>4082679
> Rika meeting Bern
Uh-oh.

>>4082678
proof that it isn't her, because Featherine is not Hanyuu

>>4082679
>Berkenstel

>Implying Featherine and Lambda are not looking

>>4082677
/jp/ can use that ATLUS thing

>>4082679
meet
>>4082684

And if When They Cry mangos were the most canon, we'd have WINCEST end in Umineko.

>>4082687
> Featherine -> Feather-in > 羽 (feather) + 入 (in) -> "Hanyuu"
> Augustus Aurora -> Auau
> Referred to as "Featherine Augusauau" by Moetrice at one point, and "Featherine Auaurora" by Bernkastel during the Episode 6 ???

Suddenly, Battler being the sorcerer in R07's light novel series doesn't seem too unrealistic.

>>4082714
Meaningless references

>>4082733
When Bern says it, Featherine corrects her, but states that it's "nostalgic".

ITT: Denial

>>4082733
I WANT TO BELIEV-
>>4082736
FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>4082736
Bern and Featherine knew each other in the past, but they are not Rika and Hanyuu

Also, Featherine says that Bern is her Miko.

>>4082725
SHIT, when the fuck is someone going to translate those?

>>4082725
The sorcerer states that he helped (well, "helped") the main character because she reminds him of someone he knew, right?

Her name 八城, "Hachijou", can also be read as "Yashiro". Add the honorific "o-" to the front, and what do you get?

>>4082755
Auau~

Episode Six has you kinda go FUCK YEAH BERNKASTEL, because there is a confrontation, of sorts, between her and Featherine. It's hard to describe, but the ending is just so fucking awesome.

>>4082753

We never found out if that was true or troll though.

>>4082753
Well, he "HELPS" Not-Beato by having her unable to die until she learns how she was killed. He's a bit of an asshole.

>>4082774

Battler is a canon asshole

>>4082771
I struggled through a good bit of it using google translate. There is a sorcerer, and at one part the main character asks the sorcerer when she will be free of the endless torment, and he just lols at her and says she doesn't know the meaning of torment.

If it has any relation to Umineko, that'd be interesting, but yeah, there be a sorcerer in it.

Even if Bernkastel and Featherine aren't the Frederica Bernkastel and Hanyuu of Higurashi, it's fairly safe to say, given all the information we have now, that Bernkastel went through a situation very very very similar to that of Rika's, similar enough that you might as well say it was the same thing.

>>4082725
>>4082753
What are you guys talking about?

>>4082787
> the main character asks the sorcerer when she will be free of the endless torment, and he just lols at her and says she doesn't know the meaning of torment.
Battler_being_an_asshole.jpg

>>4082791
And "it's_funny_because_it's_true.jpg"

>>4082684
>>4082689
>>4082736

>>4082787
How'd you get it?

>>4082813
The online stuff is up here: http://rkmg.higu.biz/?a=alche&m=1&story_idx=3&list_idx=4

It hasn't been updated since January of 2008, though.

>>4082648
SEPARATE! ANOTHER PERSON! WHAT THE DICK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

>>4082678
http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=130766&pages=2&show=20#msg6908689

>>4082824
>>January, 2008
Oh god, how far ahead did he plan Umineko out?

>>4082870
Oh....oh dear god.

>>4082679
The manga contradicts the VN in that part. In the original a meeting between Rika and Bern never takes place (because they're the same person).

>>4082870
Goddamnit Rika;_:
LAMBDA SAVE YOUR WAIFU, DON'T LET HANYUU KILL HER!

>>4082969
I believe in Lambdadelta. Hell, I think she is playing this game with Bern to make her more human. And to troll people, naturally, but still..

Ha ha, I knew you guys would come crawling back to Bern.

>>4082989
She is Rika. Rika is love.

>>4083001
SHE'S NOT RIKA

>>4083002
Keep telling yourself that.

I think Bern will bring out the truth, but I don't think she'll be redeemed.

>>4083018
The end of episode 6 shows you that Bern is just really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really fucked up. I think Lambda will save her, in the end.

The conversation in EP6 ???? seems just more "loldeep" analogy about the readers "dissecting" the works, by trying to analyze every single line, reading every single manual or reference book, trying to judge every character and beat every mystery etc etc. Umineko suddenly (well, with EP5) started being way too blatant about the readers/writer analogies. Don't know if want.

I don't think Bern will troll with lies. On one hand she was on the lies side of EP5, trying to prove someone was the culprit when she definitely wasn't. But as it has been said, she hates delusions and delusional people, so she could actually aim for the real, absolute truth... while fucking up anyone that has a bit of love in their aproach to Umineko.

>>4083030

It's possible. But what happened to the whole "witches don't reform" deal?

>>4083035
Well, the delusions gotta go.
Like, that wedding at the end of episode 6 with everyone? There is blood on one, if not more than one, of those person's hands.
The only way Piece Battler will survive is if Meta-Battler acknowledges that his family is not as nice as he makes them out to be.

>>4083035
I'm ok with this. I want Bern to violate me with her loveless truth~

>>4083050
So long as Battler gets Beato and George gets Shannon, I'm fine. Jessica can go suck a dick.

>>4083050
Yeah. Her truth may show that a lot of people (and pairings) have blood in their hands.

It could be the ultimate troll in terms of anti-shipping. And if Shkanontrice is part of her truth... well...

>>4083062
Why'd you post a pic of Rika?

>>4083062
Well, if Shkanontrice is true, not only do we kill Battler x Beato and George x Shannon, we also have to contend with the very worst interpetation of moon theory.

On the other hand, that would troll the Jessica Kanon shippers the most, so....

IN ANY CASE!

Someone tell me the artist. Thanks.

>>4083080

why would you want a loose slut vagina

>>4083080
Y'know, a Battler x Rosa end would be fine too.

>>4083075
Jessica x Kanon shippers have already been trolled, if you've read episode 6.

>>4083061
You want Battler to get with a formless construct? What the fuck do you have against him?

>>4083093
Someone bagged himself a cougar, yeah. Nice end.

>>4082872
Umineko Episodes 1 and 2 were released in 2007, and considering everything that's been foreshadowed in them, and the huge amount of hints that you discover if you go back and reread, I'd say he probably had the ending written out even before he released Episode 1.

>>4083112
Guess that's part of the "love" thing"

People will be split between those that want the characters happiness over all and those that want the truth only. And the truth may be uncomfortable for everyone at the end...

>>4083080
http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=285568

is the artist.

This is his most recent sketch, and I must say I approve.

I think it'd be pretty awesome if Bern makes Ep 7 just like ep 1, a creepy murder mystery.

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>>4083127
At this point I couldn't give two shits about pretty much all the characters, so I'm ok with a brutal truth end.

>>4083127
Can't look at people with love if it allows them to use the darkness to commit murder. Sometimes you need to be cruel.

>>4083132
system0 is mandatory.

>>4082660
Why do people call Jessica moon-chan?

>>4083132
We already got creepiness in Episode 6, with the guestroom scenes. (Apparently some people actually had to turn off the music to get past them.) Most likely, Bernkastel is going to lay bare all the dirty little secrets of the Ushiromiyas and show the worst sides of them all. That's what it sounds like from the Episode 6 ???, at least.

>>4083093
Rosa is the best.

>>4083154
Because the official Tarot card that has her picture on it is the Moon, and the characters have been matched up fairly well (Justice Battler is an exception, but if they use regular Piece Battler for the Fool, then it'll work).

>>4083160
Looking kinda Captain America there, Rosa.

>>4083162
Justice Battler? Moon Jessica? The fuck does that even mean?

>>4083162
Meta-Battler makes perfect sense. Justice is a mix between emotion and reasoning, magic and reality. That's pretty much Meta-Battler in a nutshell.

Which character has The Tower, fuckers

it's the only tarot card that matters

>>4083162
The fact that they used Maria for the Sun and MARIA for the Magician means that they may very well do that.

(Though I find it funny that they're using both Natsuhi and Eva for the Empress.)

>>4083162
Is Krauss already assigned? If not, it'd probably be him, NASA and all.

>>4083177
Yes, which is why I said "if they use Piece Battler for the Fool, it'll work". (Especially because Beatrice is the World.)

>>4083190
Forgot my pic.

>>4083189
I could also be Bern, depending on how Episode 7 turns out.

>>4083189
>Implying The Fool just means blatant idiocy

>>4083194
Oops, wrong reply. I meant Bern could be the tower, not the fool.

You fuckers know nothing of Tarot do you?

The Fool does not mean what you think it does.

>>4083178
Probably Bern or Rosa

>>4083178
Tower is BADSHIT HAPPENING, but the Moon is also one of the universally bad cards out there. It means deception, and not casual deception... dangerous deception.

>>4083207
Jessica == Obfuscating stupidity

FFFF

>>4083178
What if, for the Tower, they use Rokkenjima itself?

>>4083207
See, I keep hearing that Jessica has the moon card, but until I see it I'm calling bullshit.

Piece Battler would make a good Fool only because The Fool symbolizes the start of a journey. All this meta bullshit fits that.

Remember when Bern said she's the cruelest witch in the world? Remember how we didn't believe her?

>>4083228
We had this thread today. Are you a moron on purpose, or is it all just a tragic mistake?

>>4083203
Enlighten us

>>4083244
Dude just wiki...

>The Fool is the spirit in search of experience. He represents the mystical cleverness bereft of reason within us, the childlike ability to tune into the inner workings of the world. The sun shining behind him represents the divine nature of the Fool's wisdom and exuberance. On his back are all the possessions he might need. In his hand there is a flower, showing his appreciation of beauty. He is frequently accompanied by a dog, sometimes seen as his animal desires, sometimes as the call of the "real world", nipping at his heels and distracting him. He is seemingly unconcerned that he is standing on a precipice, apparently about to step off.

Or if tl;dr
>In many esoteric systems of interpretation, the Fool is usually interpreted as the protagonist of a story

>>4083228
here
>>4083238
Well, fuck. That is one creepy looking card.
Pic unrelated.

>>4083262
lolDEEN

>>4082824
>>4082774
>>4082753
>>4082725

I wonder when someone will ever try to translate it.

>>4083238
What did the Jessica card come with, anyways?

>>4083279
.....Why is Beato a SPESS MEHREN?

>>4083272
For once I prefer the Gold Edition cover.

>>4083287
Because lolBeatolookalike.

...Note that Verochia Dragoon Story started before Umineko even began, though. The first Episode of Umineko came out in August of 2007; this started in the beginning of 2007.

>>4083309
Hoooooooo boy. Can you translate the bit which describes the sorcerer? Oh Ryu, you so crazy.

>>4083320

Ordeze looks a lot like Beatrice. If there's a relation between both, I wouldn't be surprised;

>>4083309
So, I take it you've read the novels? What is the entire plot, background and what not?

>>4083320
I would if I were at translator. Unfortunately, I'm not one; I'm just going by the dates that stuff was posted. (Note that while I said "beginning of 2007", it was actually in May of that year, so "first half of 2007" would have been more accurate. That's still before Umineko EP1 was even released, though.)

>>4083337
I'm no more knowledgeable than the at-least-one-other person in this thread who has heard about Verochia Dragoon Story, unfortunately.

>>4083349
Basically, though, this woman named Ordeze, who's a princess of a country called Verochia, though she isn't that close in succession to the throne, is in the army, and she and her unit end up getting killed somehow; apparently this sorcerer guy brings her back and has her sign a contract that will have her repeat her final days until she discovers how she died. That's what I remember, at least.

>>4083356
It's like Warhammer 40k meets COD meets Umineko....
SOMEONE TRANSLATE THIS SHIT!

>>4083360
*remind me

>>4083361
I would, but I'm too busy defending Burger Town from Tyranids. While denying witches, of course.

>>4083333

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm4253394

>>4083080
sauce

>>4083385

Get productive!

>>4083424

There is no more. Stop asking.

>>4083356
Wow, Ryukishi is kind of a hack. He has basically wrote the same idea three times in different settings.

>>4083466

And he does it in interesting ways.

Ryukishi's favorite movie is Groundhog Days so it explains a lot

>>4083356
So is hobo end confirmed for Umineko now?

>>4083695

Maybe. But that's an old work.

>>4083695

Meta Battler is stuck being a sorceror forever

The rest of his family including his piece self goes home alive. Wahahaha.

>>4083356

>COD meets UMINEKO

ENEMY GOAT SERVANTS INCOMING

WE'RE OSCAR MARIA! OSCAR MARIA!!!

>>4083647
So then Battler will get the girl at the end.

>>4083279
>>4083309

For the Emprah?

>>4084047
Which girl? There are a lot to choose from.

>>4084012
RONOVE DO EVERYTHING

>>4084510

RONOVE DEFEND BURGER TOWN WHILE BAKING DELICIOUS COOKIES

RONOVE HERE'S AN EXTRA MAG, KILL EVERY LAST HUMAN BEING ON ROKKENJIMA