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Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:26:10 2010 No.4067544 [Reply] [Original]

Damn it, it doesn't add up.
There is one character in Umineko who manages to be sketchy as fuck no matter what theory you run.
And that is, naturally, Jessica.

Just like to point out this one fact first, I'm not saying she's Jessitrice, I'm not saying she's a culprit, I am just saying she is sketchy.

And here's how. Assume the Shannonkanon theory, or Shannonkanontrice, anything that has Shannon and Kanon as the same entity will do.
Jessica is stated to be close to both of them. Good friends with Shannon, and in love with Kanon. If Shannon is Kanon, or vice-versa, Jessica would know. Unlike George, who never converses with Kanon often, Jessica has lived with the two for her entire life. If they are the same, she is in on that particular deception. And I do indeed mean deception. She is hiding their secret(if it does indeed exist) from everyone. Some people have simplified this to her being a yandere lesbian, but I fear it goes much beyond this.

Looking through the various boards, Jessica furthers the lie that Kinzo is alive. Now, I do not care what you say, one person can not live on an island for a period of more than a year, NEVER, and I do indeed mean NEVER, see a person, and yet claim he's alive, and react to "his" actions, like she did in episode 4. She didn't even express a slight doubt, like "Oh, I haven't actually SEEN Grandfather in a year", she just storms out to take on THAT OLD MAN.

This is sketchy. This is extremely sketchy. There are other signs of her being sketchy too. Like her asthma. Ever notice how she has asthma fits only when she gets into arguments, and during periods of high stress the asthma is non-apparent? This fact in and of itself means little, but when combined with the other implications, it's a very interesting addition.

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:27:10 2010 No.4067550

There is also the time where she flips out and accuses Eva of being the culprit. She doesn't have much of a basis to claim this, but suddenly she rages like one who KNOWS that Eva is the culprit. That's interesting. That's quite interesting indeed. At the time I chalked it up to teenage angst, but it has a much different meaning now, looking back.

Jessica is doing SOMETHING, /jp/. And whatever it is, it can't be good. I hope we can agree on this, at the very least.

So please, share your thoughts on this matter, because it is troubling me, very much so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:27:10 2010 No.4067553 Sage for implying the Shkanontrice theory to be true.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:29:10 2010 No.4067563 >>4067553 Oh, I don't believe in it myself. I am just showing that through the variables, there is one constant. And that is Jessica being sketchy as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:30:10 2010 No.4067569 File: 34 KB, 600x390, 496c944ebcvM17n3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] No

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:32:10 2010 No.4067575 File: 30 KB, 233x269, 1249775038233.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4067569 Is that.... a cat disguised as Kinzo?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:35:10 2010 No.4067591 Please condense your threads, /a/ bros.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:36:10 2010 No.4067601 Agreed, Jessica ranks up there with Nanjo on suspicion, which is now playing in your head. There's nothing really to prove she's in on something, but it's basically impossible she's not in on it to an extent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:37:10 2010 No.4067603 File: 9 KB, 320x240, 1255138326503.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4067591 Trust me, I would if the other threads weren't focused on a tripolar reverse trap.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:38:10 2010 No.4067606 File: 446 KB, 644x482, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4067544 Of course she's suspicious. Pic related, how do you think she found out? >>4067575 IT'S KINZO DISGUISED AS A CAT, THEREFORE IT IS A DEAD CAT. Lol Schrodinger

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:40:10 2010 No.4067624 I'll support it, just because it means Jessica wants to ravage Battler, and wincest is indeed the best.

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:44:10 2010 No.4067651

>>4067575
Kinzo was a cat all along. That's why he's "dead", he cannot participate in the game board and is effectively out of it. Ep8 will include Kinzo breeding with Beatrice and flooding the mansion with cats. Someone will then flip out and throw a tantrum which will escalate into a tantrum spiral and end up causing the Rokkenjima incident. Toady will nonchalantly list the existence of witches as a bug in his to-do list.

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:46:10 2010 No.4067668
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>>4067606
Well, I am troubled by Jessica. Deeply so. It is a subtle suspiciousness. At least with Kyrie, we get glorious envy rants, we see the culprit she can be. With Jessica, everything isn't so clear. It's somewhat nervewracking, to tell the truth. The picture is slightly related.
>>4067624
Ha, well, whatever floats your boat.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:48:10 2010 No.4067684 >Like her asthma Inhaler = Magic Pipe You are now imagining moe moe asthmatic Beato manually

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:49:10 2010 No.4067688 >>4067684 Asthma's not moe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:50:10 2010 No.4067694 >>4067606 > how do you think she found out? ...By hearing George say something about his type of girl?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:51:10 2010 No.4067696 >>4067601 >suspicion, which is now playing in your head. FUCK.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:51:10 2010 No.4067697 File: 126 KB, 300x900, asthma.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4067688 Depends on the case.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:52:10 2010 No.4067706 >>4067688 Are you blind? The ill girl who coughs all the dang time is a stable of moe.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:56:10 2010 No.4067729 File: 30 KB, 704x396, george.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Well, at least Jessica isn't a sexual deviant, like George.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 20:57:10 2010 No.4067741 >>4067694 HURR

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:01:10 2010 No.4067759 >>4067729 Kinzo would say otherwise....

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:02:10 2010 No.4067762 >>4067729 I'd be a sexual deviant too, if Eva was my mother.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:02:10 2010 No.4067767 >>4067606 Who the heck was going around asking the guys their types? Battler put "family oriented" as a type he wasn't into. Was Kinzo taking notes so he could build his grandchildren sexbots?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:03:10 2010 No.4067768 File: 573 KB, 1000x1000, 8014063.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4067762 We all would

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:04:10 2010 No.4067776 >>4067767 Well, I'd say it was Jessica. Given her genki girl persona. Or her evil machiavellian plans that she has ever since she was concieved, take your pick. That girl ain't right.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:07:10 2010 No.4067787 >>4067767 He wanted to build a blonde bombshell. His plan went horribly, horribly RIGHT.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:08:10 2010 No.4067792 >>4067787 I see what you did there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:11:10 2010 No.4067809 File: 38 KB, 853x480, ggjess.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4067787 I propose that Jessica is a robot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:14:10 2010 No.4067829 File: 49 KB, 235x227, 1250742838536.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4067809

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:15:10 2010 No.4067837 >>4067768 I'd get back into her womb, if you know what I mean... Oh, and out of curiosity, was Jessica's arcana shown yet? I mean, it's only the means by which all is revealed and all..

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:16:10 2010 No.4067846 >>4067837 Wasn't Jessica The Moon?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:23:10 2010 No.4067889 >>4067846 Yes. Which only adds to her sketchiness. (In case you're interested, Beatrice = the World, Battler = Justice, Kanon = Hanged Man, Maria = the Sun, and Kyrie = High Priestess. Not sure if any more cards have been released.)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:23:10 2010 No.4067895 >>4067688 YOU DONT KNOW MOE!!!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:24:10 2010 No.4067900 File: 147 KB, 593x1021, jstc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4067846

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:25:10 2010 No.4067909 File: 207 KB, 872x479, amicuteuguu.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4067544 Don't worry, Rika-chan will reveal the truth in the next game. Because she is the cause of all miracles.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:25:10 2010 No.4067913 File: 183 KB, 448x799, magician.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I love how Maria got 2 cards for the tarot cards. Really. not really no

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:25:10 2010 No.4067919 >>4067900 Why does that card scare me so much?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:27:10 2010 No.4067929 >>4067919 It's the YARANAIKA MOON, probably.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:28:10 2010 No.4067940 >>4067919 it's her legs

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:28:10 2010 No.4067941 File: 33 KB, 220x248, 1262283749560.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4067909 >Rika

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:29:10 2010 No.4067944 >>4067929 can't unsee

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:29:10 2010 No.4067945 >>4067913 Obviously the first card was for Maria, and the second one was for MARIA.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:30:10 2010 No.4067950 File: 56 KB, 493x480, 1262323203796.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4067941 > Hanyuu

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:30:10 2010 No.4067953
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>>4067900
Oh god, we're so busy worrying about Shkannonlamadingdong that we forgot about the MOON. Goddamn moon, you fucked me up in Majora's Mask and you are fucking me up in Umineko...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:31:10 2010 No.4067954 >>4067941 bern has a huge head

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:33:10 2010 No.4067971 The Moon? Oh so fucking sketchy. Come back when somebody gets The Tower (if it's shannon i'll lol)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:37:10 2010 No.4067985 >>4067919 because yaranaika moon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:39:10 2010 No.4068002 >>4067900 Um, uh, what does that moon card thingy mean, anyways? The picture looks creepy, but does it have any specific meaning to it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:40:10 2010 No.4068015 >>4068002 It means that Jessica is sketchy. No, seriously, the Moon indicates that a person has a hidden side to them (or something like that), among other things.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:42:10 2010 No.4068030 File: 23 KB, 640x360, 52563957.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] damn gurl

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:44:10 2010 No.4068041 >>4068015 But! But, her image song! It was so stupid! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHlhrhPKgPU

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:49:10 2010 No.4068073 >>4068015 Shkannonjessikinzotrice confirmed?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:49:10 2010 No.4068076 File: 29 KB, 640x360, 367656869.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] inb4 someone ruins it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:54:10 2010 No.4068101 File: 60 KB, 650x536, Jessitrice.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Dem eyes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:55:10 2010 No.4068106 >>4068076 Nah, the theory is pretty damn solid. She's up to something. Bad moon rising, and all...

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:57:10 2010 No.4068123

>>4068015
She was the main responsible for the shkanontrice bullshit if it confirms to be true, she pushed that talk about creating different personas (aka Jessie) to Shannon years ago

Btw Shkanontrice may be true, but Yandere Jessie cosplayed as Marisa is the true killer

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 21:58:10 2010 No.4068130 File: 48 KB, 960x540, 1249490275390.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4068123 Dat Jessie

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:00:10 2010 No.4068145 >>4068130 RAPE

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:00:10 2010 No.4068148 File: 307 KB, 741x592, objectioon.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh, well this is a nice change of pace... What does 2ch think about Jessica?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:01:10 2010 No.4068153 >>4068148 Nips have always loved Jessica. They've always went the Jessitrice route too, even when it made no fucking sense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:03:10 2010 No.4068162 >>4068153 Well, it's starting to make a lick of sense now. Oh god, Jessica, why so sketchy?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:04:10 2010 No.4068176 File: 16 KB, 478x264, 447t8645097.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Doesn't 2ch think we love Lambda? Do we?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:04:10 2010 No.4068185 >>4068176 Of course we love Lambda! She's like Batman, but chaotic neutral, and a loli.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:05:10 2010 No.4068188 >>4068162 I prefer Jessica-as-culprit-with-Shkannontrice-as-her-(possibly-unwilling)-ally.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:05:10 2010 No.4068190 >>4068176 Lambda is awesome, I have no problems with this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:05:10 2010 No.4068193 >>4068176 You mean 2ch doesn't love Lambda?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:06:10 2010 No.4068201 >>4068176 really?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:07:10 2010 No.4068214 >>4068176 best character in umineko

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:13:10 2010 No.4068273 File: 294 KB, 379x400, my-brain-is-full-of-fuck_.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh god, first Hanyuu and Rika chowing down on intestines, and now this....

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:16:10 2010 No.4068288 >>4068273 Well, fair is foul, and foul is fair, I suppose....

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:17:10 2010 No.4068293 >>4068273 Speaking of eating intestines, somebody posted a translation of the Episode 6 ??? over here: >>4068211

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:26:10 2010 No.4068363 File: 12 KB, 306x264, BOOM.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh god, Jessica is evil, Hanyuu is evil, Rika is evil, WHO THE FUCK ISN'T EVIL GODDAMN IT

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:27:10 2010 No.4068372 >>4068363 Kawabata. Probably.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:27:10 2010 No.4068373 File: 83 KB, 469x478, hid_defa1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4068363

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:27:10 2010 No.4068375 >>4068363 Beatrice. Oh, and I guess Dlanor too, though she's probably Lawful Neutral.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:28:10 2010 No.4068381 >>4068373 Just you wait until we find out that his hamburgers are made of PEEEEEEEEEEEOPPPPPPPPLE! But yeah, Hideyoshi is a good dude.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:31:10 2010 No.4068399 File: 255 KB, 350x500, 1256492897810.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So Battler has to take out Rika, Hanyuu, and Piece Battler has to handle Jessica. Wow, note to self, happy females are always evil.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:33:10 2010 No.4068411 >>4067809 IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW THIS WAY, WE CAN BYPASS THE 17 PEOPLE RULE WITHOUT SHKAANNONTRICECMEKFNE

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:34:10 2010 No.4068416 File: 28 KB, 704x396, omnomnom.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh hey, any innards for me to devour? It goes quite nicely with tea, auau!

>>	Shinjiro Aragaki !MjP3Pg7okA Mon Jan 4 22:35:10 2010 No.4068425 >>4067900 Moon looks kind of pissed, I wonder why.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:36:10 2010 No.4068428 >>4068425 Well, you try having the BBEG on you constantly and see how you like it...

>>	Shinjiro Aragaki !MjP3Pg7okA Mon Jan 4 22:39:10 2010 No.4068448 >>4068428 He looks like he could kill...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:48:10 2010 No.4068492 File: 212 KB, 560x555, 1255314035150.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Quite frankly, I miss all those times where we talked about ponies. Hanyuu and Rika being evil? Feelsbadman.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:49:10 2010 No.4068499 >>4068448 NOW I'VE LOST IT

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:50:10 2010 No.4068502 >>4068492 But... but the ponies are real. Episode 6 proved that. Though the rest of the theory got scrapped...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:51:10 2010 No.4068509 >>4067544 I came love nothing more then a crying woman.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:52:10 2010 No.4068520 File: 104 KB, 850x632, jessica.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I wonder, though, what is her motivation?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:54:10 2010 No.4068529 Jessica can't cook or clean. HOW WILL SHE BE INDEPENDENT IF SHE CAN'T DO THAT?

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:56:10 2010 No.4068540

I do not think Jessica knows about Kinzo being dead. WHY would Natsuhi or Krauss tell her that they're hiding his death. That would only worry their daughter and I can't imagine them doing that. She believes Kinzo is alive just as much as she believes Krauss will be the head despite whether or not the epitaph is solved.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:56:10 2010 No.4068541 File: 11 KB, 170x179, shannon's boxers.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4068520 she wants kanon's boxers

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:56:10 2010 No.4068543 >>4068520 Probably some retarded pony theory approach. Although I do believe it was stated in red the murders are not revenge murders.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:57:10 2010 No.4068550 >>4068529 Man(?)servant(s?) who she can use her machiavellian manipulation tactics on, plus she's the motherfucking moon, she fakes a bunch of weaknesses, most likely.

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:58:10 2010 No.4068555

>>4068543
Actually, it was stated in red that Beatrice was not committing the murders for the purpose of revenge. If Beatrice (or rather, the person who created her) isn't the actual culprit, then it's still possible for the culprit to be committing the murders for the purpose of revenge.

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:58:10 2010 No.4068558

>>4068540
For over a year? She lives on the island, you know. It's one thing to delay the news of a death to family that never comes over to visit, but if you live on the island, no way are you NOT going to suspect something after not seeing your grandfather for more than a year.... WHEN HE LIVES IN YOUR FREAKING HOUSE!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 22:59:10 2010 No.4068559 >>4068540 I'd think she would mention to the cousins at the very least that she hasn't seen Kinzo for over an entire year.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:02:10 2010 No.4068573 >>4068558 She's an emo teenager who doesn't even like her parents or talk to them. I doubt she gives a shit about her crazy grandfather. But by that reasoning there is no fucking way she wouldn't know the whole Shkanon thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:02:10 2010 No.4068574 >>4068558 Like I said, she might have suspected something but she does trust her mother and father. Hell she thinks her dad is a good potential candidate for the head and he's the dumbest guy on the island.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:03:10 2010 No.4068579 Gohda hadn't seen Kinzo for a year and he still stupidly thought he was alive in episode 5. Why not Jessica? Jessica is a moron, after all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:04:10 2010 No.4068584 >>4068520 Hot Lesbian Yandere Sex with B0MBS

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:05:10 2010 No.4068590
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>>4068559
And yet, as you can see here, she tells Battler how Kinzo has been doing, and that she'd wish he'd just lock himself in his room forever. She is keeping up the illusion that he is dead, and clearly so.

Heck, the smug bitch even says "OH HE'S DOING THE SAME AS LAST YEAR LOL". Really, these white-text sections are goldmines waiting to be found.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:05:10 2010 No.4068592 >>4068579 Hmmm..... Perhaps we need to make an Ushiromiya Intelligence Chart.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:06:10 2010 No.4068597 >>4068584 >implying she isn't doing this all for Battler's cock

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:07:10 2010 No.4068601 >>4068592 Well, obviously Kyrie tops it by a mile.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:07:10 2010 No.4068602 >>4068592 Would be an easy list, everyone would be low tier aside from Kyrie and Eva.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:08:10 2010 No.4068605 >>4068592 Kyrie is at the top, Krauss is at the bottom.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:08:10 2010 No.4068608 >>4068590 Looks like she's been better and happier for a whole year without noticing then

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:08:10 2010 No.4068609 >>4068602 Also Maria and Kinzo (though I guess you could leave Kinzo off since he's dead). She's actually pretty smart, it's just that she has that obsession with the occult so it makes her not seem as smart.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:09:10 2010 No.4068612 >>4068602 Would Kinzo be included? He is suppose to be a genius in economics and business

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:09:10 2010 No.4068615 >>4068602 Rankings, not tiers. Also, we need proof of each person's intelligence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:09:10 2010 No.4068617 >>4068605 Battler off to the side in incompetent tier.

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:10:10 2010 No.4068620

>>4068609
Ange said that Maria got shitty grades in school, she's not very bright.

Maria is more like the autistic kind of intelligence, where she's useless in basic knowledge, but there's a certain subject that she's a total savant in, this case being the occult.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:11:10 2010 No.4068622 What about Gohda? He can't even lock a door properly since beelzebub never happened

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:11:10 2010 No.4068623 >>4068620 You know who else got shitty grades in school? Albert Einstein.

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:11:10 2010 No.4068624

>>4068608
She says he's as stubborn and grumpy as ever. This clearly indicates that she is telling Battler she has interacted with him. She expresses a desire for him to lock himself up in the study all the time.... WHICH HE IS, BECAUSE HE'S DEAD. She also says that "MAYBE" he won't show up for dinner. I don't care how stupid you are, these conversation pieces indicate that she wants Battler to think that she has interacted with Kinzo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:12:10 2010 No.4068628 >>4068623 I hate you for making a parallel between retarded ass Maria and Einstein.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:13:10 2010 No.4068632 Natsuhi would be in "not very smart" tier.

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:14:10 2010 No.4068637

>>4068615
Kyrie - Obviously one of the smartest people on the island. If one hasn't noticed this by now then they should be smacked
Krauss - SPACE COLONIES ON THE MOON. 'nuff said
Rosa - Solves the epitaph, EP 2 in general
Eva - Solves the epitaph, receipt tricks
Natsuhi - Ringleader in the 'Keep Kinzo Alive' campaign.
Rudolf - Runs his own company, can manage women to some degree. Not too smart when it comes to womens feelings however since it said in EP 6 that he would intentionally make the women he dated jealous
Hideyoshi - Runs his own company, knows a lot about Japanese history, albeit maybe a bit too nice but that doesn't really factor into intelligence much
George - Intern at his dad's company, had a lot of teaching in his young life (piano lessons, extra tutoring, etc)
Battler - Incompetent, but reads about 100 mystery books a year according to EP 5.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:15:10 2010 No.4068644 >>4068620 she got shitty grades at school for interpreting the lessons in her unique brilliant and almost autistic way, see the "raifu" reference in ep4

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:15:10 2010 No.4068646 >>4068632 Well she can be easily tricked (sucker merry barrels and the season trick) but she can be smart when she wants to be, since she's the one who suggests to keep Kinzo alive.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:15:10 2010 No.4068648 >>4068637 > but reads about 100 mystery books a year according to EP 5. I think that may have been part of Lambda's messing with Battler's character. ...Then again, he wouldn't have been able to say that if it weren't actually possible for him, so.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:17:10 2010 No.4068655 Maria is a nice nine year old. All of you where fucking douchebags with your heads up your ass at that age.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:17:10 2010 No.4068657 >>4068648 Piece Battler is intelligent. He shows this in episode one, where he picks up his turn the chessboard catchphrase.

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:17:10 2010 No.4068662

>>4068632
Indeed, she's been shown frequently not to "get" things. She also falls right into the man's trap in episode 5. Krauss is also stupid. So is Jessica, her grades are terrible, and it's no surprise if her parents couldn't teach her well. So the whole Krauss family is moronic.

Rudolf is probably pretty smart. Kyrie is also. Battler reads 100 books a year, but is incompetent. His family is pretty smart.

Hideyoshi is a fairly good businessman, but he screwed up big time. Eva is of course intelligent, as is George.

Rosa's fairly intelligent, she also managed to find the gold. Maria is too, but she's autistic.

George family > Battler family > Maria family > Jessica family in terms of intelligence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:18:10 2010 No.4068663 >>4068657 Yeah, Piece has shown to be pretty adept, Meta is a fucking moron though. Which is ironic, since they should be the same person.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:18:10 2010 No.4068665 >>4068648 Good point. Book smart people can lack common sense. And common sense isn't one of the things I can associate with Battler.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:19:10 2010 No.4068674 >>4068662 Well, the Jessica thing is pending on her being the mastermind or not. But Jessica taken at face value is a moron. Still, Krauss should have his own tier.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:20:10 2010 No.4068677 >>4068662 Jessica is a useless girl, only good for her sex appeal.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:20:10 2010 No.4068679 >>4068662 I would switch Battler's family and George's family around. In terms of education Kyrie probably exceeds Eva - its possible she got a college degree, while Eva didn't, and even worked as Rudolf's business partner for a little over a decade.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:20:10 2010 No.4068681 >>4068677 JESSICA == SIESTAS

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:21:10 2010 No.4068687 >>4068679 Except Eva actually did go to college, if I'm not mistaken. iirc, she disobeyed Kinzo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:22:10 2010 No.4068693 >>4068679 I just don't think Kyrie along makes up for George likely being much more intelligent than Battler.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:22:10 2010 No.4068694 >>4068665 Obviously Meta-Battler is suppressing his competency/"knowledge"/cunning power level to troll the fuck out of everyone at the end. This will happen right guys? ;_;

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:22:10 2010 No.4068695 >>4068687 I'm pretty sure she didn't. Her marriage to Hideyoshi was also arranged. Plus how could she pay to go to college on her own?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:23:10 2010 No.4068697 >>4068695 > Her marriage to Hideyoshi was also arranged. Huh? No it wasn't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:23:10 2010 No.4068700 >>4068677 Or is she?

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:23:10 2010 No.4068701

>>4068624

She wants her dad to become head of the family. For that reason alone it's logical she's keeping his death hidden. I don't think her knowing means anything anyway. Krauss and Natsuhi did it and they were shown in a sympathetic light for doing it, even if they are fucking stupid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:24:10 2010 No.4068704 >>4068697 Pretty sure it was. She said something to that degree in EP 2 when talking to Jessica and Shannon about George meeting someone.

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:25:10 2010 No.4068716

>>4068648
Yeah; some of the stuff in Episode 5 was definitely Lambda's work, but going by the riddle that piece Battler solves at dinner in Episode 6, he's definitely pretty smart. Erika was the only other person who came up with the same solution he did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:26:10 2010 No.4068719 >>4068716 (For those who are interested, the riddle/puzzle was "how many cuts, each consisting of a single stroke, does it take to cut a piece of cheese into 8 pieces?")

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:26:10 2010 No.4068722 >>4068716 Erika's intelligence is being manipulated as well though. Because if she was really so smart she wouldn't fight with a 9 year old about candy magic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:27:10 2010 No.4068724 >>4068719 Rather, "What is the minimum number of cuts required"

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:27:10 2010 No.4068726

>>4068701
This. Even if Jessica does know Kinzo is dead (which I'm not sure about, because she's a moron), it's no big deal. Krauss was even thinking of telling her in episode 5 and having her help solve the epitaph so they can get through the crisis together. It's too bad they're probably the only family that never could.

The real one you have to look out for is Rosa. Why does she say she talked to Kinzo in episode 2?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:27:10 2010 No.4068727 >>4068694 Nah, Battler has shown his knowledge/competence numerous times to turn things around. The problem is that his opponents turn out to be more cunning.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:27:10 2010 No.4068729 >>4068722 People can be intelligent, while also being petty.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:27:10 2010 No.4068731 >>4068722 Being smart does not disallow a person from acting childishly. And Erika has a definite grudge against magic.

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:29:10 2010 No.4068739

>>4068701
Well, you know, when everyone dies due to Kinzo in the beginning of episode 4, it'd make sense for her, to, you know, tell everyone around her the true situation.
But she doesn't, and therein lies the issue.
She knows he is dead.
A situation occurs in which he is killing people.
She storms off to confront him and his challenge. Then later she calls Battler and furthers the bullshit.

Her motivation is clearly NOT only respect to her parents. Otherwise she'd drop the charade once her mom was, you know, dead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:30:10 2010 No.4068745 >>4068719 3. 2 to split into 4 and one across the middle sideways. I am so smrt

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:31:10 2010 No.4068750 >>4068726 see >>4068739 No die. Her actions in episode 4 make it a "big deal" that she knows. Her knowing, in addition to her chat with Battler on the banana phone, make her extremely suspect. This is the reality of the matter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:32:10 2010 No.4068754 File: 440 KB, 598x564, 1262456666947.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4068745 Wrong. Although that's what I was thinking too and I imagine most did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:32:10 2010 No.4068758 File: 359 KB, 637x473, arranged or not.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4068704 same person from here. From what the cap suggests Eva got married to Hideyoshi and then fell in love. Sounds like arranged marriage to me

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:33:10 2010 No.4068761 >>4068754 What's the answer?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:33:10 2010 No.4068762 >>4068745 1. folding lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:33:10 2010 No.4068764 >>4068750 Then how about this: she's an idiot. Where is the evidence that she has any sort of intelligence whatsoever? Again, Gohda in episode 5 also thinks Kinzo is alive even though he hasn't seen him for a year, he openly says many stupid things.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:33:10 2010 No.4068765 >>4068754 Depending on how a stroke is defined, I can sort of see it being done in two, maybe, maybe one depending if the knife is huge in comparison to the cheese.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:33:10 2010 No.4068767 So, out of the four adults born into the family, Eva's the smartest?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:34:10 2010 No.4068776 >>4068767 No question. It's probably Eva > Rosa > Rudolf > Krauss or Rosa and Rudolf switched.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:35:10 2010 No.4068780 >>4068767 The ranking really depends. Eva and Rudolf probably have more street smarts than book smarts, while Rosa and Krauss probably have more book smarts.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:37:10 2010 No.4068784 >>4068762 How do you fold a piece of cheese? This is just umineko all over.

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:37:10 2010 No.4068786

>>4068764
Gohda is a servant, not a particularly close one to Kinzo. He does not live on the island at all times, nor does he have any relation to Kinzo.
And she has indicated that she has interacted with Kinzo. If she was such an idiot as you describe(Basically the most braindead moron on the planet), she never would have mentioned Kinzo, instead telling Battler I DUNNO I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM. But she does NOT. She talks to him about how Kinzo is doing, and upholds the facade that he is alive. She knows he is dead, no way around that.

Your argument does not work, I'm afraid. Perhaps if Jessica never said anything to indicate she had interacted with Kinzo, I could understand you, but that is not the case.

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:37:10 2010 No.4068788
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>>4068762
Yup. The puzzle book (Maria's, the same one that had the wolf-and-sheep puzzle, I think) had a picture of a regular round cheese in it, but Battler and Erika thought about it in terms of a thin, flat piece of cheese.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:37:10 2010 No.4068789 Ah, but now here's the biggest question: Wh's the best fighter in the Ushiromiya family?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:38:10 2010 No.4068793 >>4068784 It could be a somewhat thin slice. e.g. American Cheese product.

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:38:10 2010 No.4068794

>>4068739
>Otherwise she'd drop the charade once her mom was, you know, dead

No, she wouldn't. Stupid pride. She's not going to disrespect her parents by admitting anything (if she knew) no matter what. Natsuhi could have admitted things earlier in ep. 5 and probably saved herself a lot of shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:39:10 2010 No.4068800 >>4068784 See >>4068788. But you're right; this sort of logic is exactly the sort that is necessary for Umineko.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:40:10 2010 No.4068808 >>4068789 Eva, again. Perhaps Krauss back in his heyday was better, but he seems pretty impotent now.

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:40:10 2010 No.4068812

>>4068789
Battler probably has the most raw physical strength due to steroids and all, but probably either Eva, or George, of if we stretch the definition a bit, maybe even Kyrie, as setting traps and such could be defined as fighting and I could imagine Kyrie being capable of setting some vicious traps.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:40:10 2010 No.4068813 >>4068789 This also depends. Kyrie is high up there as well since she has mathematics and the powers of envy on her side.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:41:10 2010 No.4068815 >>4068808 I think George could probably fight Eva to a standstill, though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:41:10 2010 No.4068817 >>4068813 We aren't talking magical strength here.

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:42:10 2010 No.4068819

>>4068794
Dude, she's described as a rebellious teen who disses her parents all the time. I don't know where you got this honor-sworn family name image of Jessica, but it's not her.

And Natsuhi was a whole other ball game, she had stuff to LOSE by admitting Kinzo is dead.

Jessica could only benefit herself and what remained of her family by revealing the farce. So first off, she always has been rebellious, second off, she had NOTHING TO LOSE by admitting Kinzo was dead, considering everyone was dying.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:43:10 2010 No.4068822 >>4068789 Physically: Krauss, George and Eva. Jessica too, but the major strength in her punches comes from magic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:43:10 2010 No.4068824 >>4068789 Eva or Krauss

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:43:10 2010 No.4068825 >>4068817 Yeah, that just hit me.

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:43:10 2010 No.4068826

>>4068819
>Dude, she's described as a rebellious teen who disses her parents all the time. I don't know where you got this honor-sworn family name image of Jessica, but it's not her.
Based on episode 5, she may be rebellious, but she definitely won't take shit from someone claiming Krauss won't be the next head. She gets bitchy with Erika because of it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:44:10 2010 No.4068829 >>4068822 Speaking of which, where did she learn to box? She managed to corner Ronove with that footwork of hers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:45:10 2010 No.4068833 >>4068829 She watched videos of her dad's old matches. That's my thought, at least.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:45:10 2010 No.4068835 >>4068829 If Eva taught George kung-fu then I wouldn't be surprised if Krauss taught Jessica boxing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:46:10 2010 No.4068841 >>4068829 Possibly self-taught, maybe even Krauss taught her while Natsuhi was sleeping with Kinzo. She apparently learned guitar on her own, after all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:46:10 2010 No.4068845 >>4068835 So... Krauss teaches Jessica boxing. Eva teaches George martial arts. Kyrie teaches Battler how to flip chessboards. What does Rosa teach Maria?

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:46:10 2010 No.4068847

>>4068826
Bitchy about it yes, but that was because Erika pissed her off, and was "intellectually raping" her. I don't see how you take this to mean she wouldn't inform people that Kinzo is dead as her ENTIRE FAMILY IS DEAD, DYING., OR ABOUT TO BE KILLED.

Sorry, but no. You use too little to refute too much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:47:10 2010 No.4068853 >>4068845 >What does Rosa teach Maria? Isn't it fucking obvious, how to raise a child.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:48:10 2010 No.4068856 File: 71 KB, 1024x576, 1231925173935.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4068853

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:48:10 2010 No.4068857 >>4068845 How to be a good daughter who listens to her mother. OH WAIT

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:51:10 2010 No.4068875 >>4068847 And you have too much faith in Jessica and assume she's something more than a total idiot

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:52:10 2010 No.4068880

>>4068847
I think you use too little to refute that Jessica doesn't know Kinzo is dead. Her conversation with Battler could be taken as per thought process meaning "I haven't seen him > he's locked himself up in his study > grumpy as usual."

Also remember the plan from the family conference 1 year ago, where everyone would claim to have just saw Kinzo doing such and such, having set out a schedule for him. Jessica might have heard a lot of things about Kinzo second hand and just stupidly took them for truth. You give her too much credit, I think.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:52:10 2010 No.4068882 >>4068875 different anon. I don't think she's a total idiot but she's a person who has waay more street smarts than book smarts for sure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:53:10 2010 No.4068890 >>4068882 I think she's a caring person who is kinda dumb like her parents. She's no mastermind of anything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:53:10 2010 No.4068891 >>4068704 She only said she didn't love Hideyoshi until after they got married. The marriage itself was likely not arranged. Heck, in Ep3 Eva made a big deal about how she would find a man much better than Krauss. Which she did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:55:10 2010 No.4068897 As far as people in Umineko go, is Jessica really that stupid? She's certainly not bright, but I never got the feeling she was retarded either.

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:55:10 2010 No.4068899

>>4068875
I don't have "faith" in Jessica. I do, however, follow common sense. Her actions in episode four have shown that she is quite dubious. She is keeping up the facade of Kinzo being dead, but it's painfully clear this isn't out of a desire to assist her parents. She clearly knows but says not, and leads others to the path of destruction, both in neglect of mentioning that Kinzo is dead, and in her phone call to Battler. If you want to chalk this up as her being really stupid, be my guest, but know that it's hardly the case.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:56:10 2010 No.4068901 >>4068897 I'm just going by her parents and her grades. That and how she reacts to every situation ever.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:57:10 2010 No.4068907 >>4068899 >She is keeping up the facade of Kinzo being dead, You haven't even proven that. And yes you give her way too much credit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:58:10 2010 No.4068913 >>4068897 Jessica is your average angsty female teen - retarded.

Anonymous Mon Jan 4 23:58:10 2010 No.4068914

>>4068891
Is it normal for two people to marry when they don't love each other however, on normal circumstances? Natsuhi was also arranged to Krauss and it was explicitly stated that she didn't even like him until later.

Hideyoshi was starting up a business and Kinzo wanted him on his side. But when women marry men they usually go into the man's registry of course. Women going to college back then was also very rare (Kyrie might be the exception, since she was going to be the future successor of a giant family)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:01:10 2010 No.4068923 So, what's the motive for evil Jessica? It's not revenge.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:01:10 2010 No.4068926

>>4068914
>Is it normal for two people to marry when they don't love each other however, on normal circumstances?
It seems pretty fucked up to me, but it also seems it worked out well in Umineko. Eva and Hideyoshi are definitely very much in love, as are Krauss and Natsuhi.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:01:10 2010 No.4068930 >>4068923 It's hard being a rich pretty girl with lots of friends

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:03:10 2010 No.4068935 >>4068923 If we're to follow the lolraped portion of that pony theory, revenge could certainly be an option. Another anon mentioned that the red said Beatrice did not kill anyone for revenge, which would be true.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:04:10 2010 No.4068940

>>4068926
Which is why I think Eva's comment implies arranged marriage. Normally it wouldn't happen. In EP 5 its confirmed Natsuhi was just given to Krauss as a wife. She didn't meet him, date him and then fall in love. She was taken from her home and given away. Eva definietly didn't go through the same exact thing, but I'm sure that she was arranged because she is a woman and we know how Kinzo feels about women.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:04:10 2010 No.4068943 >>4068935 But what's the point of revenge if the person who would have done the raping is already dead?

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:05:10 2010 No.4068947

>>4068914
>Is it normal for two people to marry when they don't love each other however, on normal circumstances?

Quite normal for a lot of people, especially asian women if the money was enticing enough, and ESPECIALLY Eva, since she always wanted to show up Krauss, at least not by her own skills then at least by her man.

And Eva had to convince Kinzo to add Hideyoshi to the family registry, and that was implied due to Hideyoshi already being successful and having started from nothing.

I suppose there is a possibility that the marriage was arranged but I find it more likely that Eva was just a devious person and more willing to acquire power and wealth than waste all of that on something as intangible as young love. It certainly was implied in Ep3.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:05:10 2010 No.4068948

Shkannontrice decides to settle the problem by slaughtering everyone, as episode 6 shows. The reason the cousins are usually left until last is because Shkannontrice wants to see which one is the hardest to kill. The one that manages to stay alive the longest will get their waifu/husbando.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:05:10 2010 No.4068951 >>4068940 Or possibly Eva herself arranged the marriage.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:06:10 2010 No.4068953 >>4068947 >especially asian women if the money was enticing enough >especially women in general Fixed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:07:10 2010 No.4068954 >>4068948 (or if one of the cousins finds the gold, they win too)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:07:10 2010 No.4068959 >>4068948 No, it was stated that Battler's game obscured the truth of the actual murders.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:08:10 2010 No.4068963 >>4068959 (Meaning Shkanon(trice) being the culprit is actually unlikely.)

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:09:10 2010 No.4068964

>Jessica is stated to be close to both of them. Good friends with Shannon, and in love with Kanon. If Shannon is Kanon, or vice-versa, Jessica would know.

Natsuhi didn'tnst know. Genji didn't know and others didn't know. They are all living on the island together for years. If you are trying to use this argument against Jessica - you can say that to every servants and master who are living on the island.

>one person can not live on an island for a period of more than a year, NEVER, and I do indeed mean NEVER, see a person, and yet claim he's alive

do you ever questioned that Obama is still alive? No!! You never meet him recently do you? What if the next day some SWAT come in your house and burn it down saying that its the order from Obama, what aER IF HE IS ALIVE!? NO!! YOU JUST TAKE ON THE NIGGER DUDE!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:09:10 2010 No.4068965 >>4068963 KyrieKyrieKyrieKyrieKyrieKyrieKyrieKyrie

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:10:10 2010 No.4068968

>>4068963
But why would Battler possibly make a game that obscured the truth? For what purpose could he do such a thing? Nah, it's more likely that the truth was revealed in some rather glaring bits and pieces and for that truth to be the obvious and well developed Shkanontrice.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:11:10 2010 No.4068970

>>4068959
>>4068963
It obscured the truth because it made it seem like Shannon Kanon and Beatrice were being tested, when really Shkannontrice was the one doing the testing. Cousins are only killed when they stray away from the group, which is stupid and deserving of death. Shkannontrice does not pass up a free kill.

Episode 2 - Jessica dies early because she stupidly runs off to find Beatrice, Shkannontrice runs after her and kills her. Then "Kanon" dies because Jessica is out of the game and therefore there's no need for that personality.
Episode 3, George dies because he jumps out the window.
Battler always living to the end is a coincidence because he always takes it easy and stays with the group.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:12:10 2010 No.4068972 >>4068968 Revealing the truth would be the same as revealing Beato's heart. Battler's trapped in the bathroom again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:12:10 2010 No.4068978 >>4068968 to protect his waifu and family

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:13:10 2010 No.4068980

>>4068968
You can't really just say "no he didn't" after the game states that Battler obscured the truth of the murders....

Besides, think about this on a narrative level. The Shannon/Kanon/split persona conflict was at the heart of this episode. It fueled a huge part of the emotional climax and came to a clear catharsis. Does it make sense to do that now knowing that you'd basically have to repeat the exact same arc and catharsis in the next episode if it was at the heart of the entire mystery?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:13:10 2010 No.4068981 >>4068965 We can dream anon, we can dream. can she at least get an arc with Rudolf and Asumu. Seriously she is the only milf who never got a game centered around her

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:14:10 2010 No.4068991 >>4068981 That'll probably be Episode 7.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:15:10 2010 No.4068996 >>4068970 >It obscured the truth because it made it seem like Shannon Kanon and Beatrice were being tested, when really Shkannontrice was the one doing the testing. Doesn't seem any more cloudy than when Beatrice was the GM.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:16:10 2010 No.4068999 File: 399 KB, 800x800, closed room.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This was drawn well before episode 6, but it depicts the closed room in the episode. Rifyu = R07. Therefore, we should look at his 4koma for clues.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:16:10 2010 No.4069000 >>4068991 hahaha no ;_; we'll probably never get a rudolf-asumu-kyrie arc. Especially when EP 6 added more detail to the nature of the love triangle and how it all began.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:16:10 2010 No.4069001

>>4068968
>But why would Battler possibly make a game that obscured the truth?
Because Beato's heart is his and his alone. The guy was peeling off his own fingernails to avoid letting it out, for crying out loud. It's obvious he's not going to let Bern or AuAu get their hands on it easily.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:17:10 2010 No.4069006 >>4069000 About that. So since Battler was able to present information such as Asumu's true nature. Does that mean him being Endless Sorcerer has allowed him to learn about everything, even stuff that has nothing to do with the murders?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:17:10 2010 No.4069007 >>4069001 And since Shkannon is almost certainly the solution to his escape, Shkannon probably is not involved with Beatrice's heart.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:18:10 2010 No.4069008 >>4068999 I am still amused how this comic is so accurate

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:19:10 2010 No.4069015 >>4069007 Exactly. Vitally important, but not the core.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:19:10 2010 No.4069020 >>4069006 Probably. Explains how Beato knew that Asumu wasn't Battler's real mother, even though the latter is dead for 6 years before the game start

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:20:10 2010 No.4069023

>>4068999
It was drawn right after episode 5, at least my save of it is dated August so it was close.

My theory is that Ryuukishi thought he had included that closed room in episode 5, because it had been his idea to include it for a while now. So he made a mistake and based one of his comics off it after releasing the episode. By the time he realized it was probably too late, and deleting it would just confirm the suspicion.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:20:10 2010 No.4069026

>>4068968 here

I meant for that to be an obvious troll. You guys just...
>But why would Battler possibly make a game that obscured the truth?
>obvious and well developed Shkanontrice.

Didn't the tone of it make it seem trollish? Don't those two above parts make it obvious? I guess I need to brush up on my trolling badly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:20:10 2010 No.4069027 Why was Erika Futa in a wedding dress?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:22:10 2010 No.4069043 >>4069023 Rifyu draws a lot of random ass shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:22:10 2010 No.4069044 >>4069007 Maybe Beatrice saving him is the solution, but Shkannontrice is true, so it was also Kanon. Battler didn't think to phrase it in such a way that he would be able to solve it without revealing the truth. Beato did it well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:22:33 2010 No.4069039 >>4069007 Maybe Beatrice solving him is the solution, but Shkannontrice is true, so it was also Kanon. Battler didn't think to phrase it in such a way that he would be able to solve it without revealing the truth. Beato did it well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:23:10 2010 No.4069047 >>4069007 But Beatrice can't have been made by Jessica, either, since there'd be no need to give Beatrice a new personality in that case... ...Maybe Rosatrice?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:24:10 2010 No.4069052 >>4069047 Rosa crying to a painting about loving Battler? Really...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:24:10 2010 No.4069053 >>4069026 Sorry. We've seen Shkannontricefags go to fairly absurd lengths to pretend their are no holes in the theory.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:25:10 2010 No.4069058

>>4069043
I don't think you can explain the accuracy of that particular 4koma away by saying he just does random shit. It's too much. In the episode 6 closed room, the bathroom is steaming and Erika barges in. Battler is still alive in the room somewhere and is supposed to use the time Erika is in the bathroom to escape, but Erika sealed the room. Kanon switches places with him to rescue him. Why does it seem like it was based on this scene? Why is Kanon even saying he arrived to late?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:25:10 2010 No.4069060 >>4069052 When he was twelve years old, no less.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:26:10 2010 No.4069063 >>4069026 There are alot of people who believe it to be totally true and think there is no other way to solve the riddle at the end without it. Meaning they are being trolled and their tears will be delicious when ep. 7 comes out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:26:10 2010 No.4069066 >>4069053 But we've also seen anti-shkannontricefags go to absurb lengths to claim the theory is impossible, even though it's still viable at this point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:27:10 2010 No.4069067 >>4069058 Uh, you're taking a joke about seeing Battler's dick way too seriously, bro.

Kooh !9WUSc85B6o Tue Jan 5 00:28:10 2010 No.4069073

so Hideyoshi is the only adult thats been portayed as a good guy?
Rudolf= manwhore
Kyrie= jealous psycho
Rosa= abusive mother
Natsuhi= Baby Killer, Liar
Krauss= Liar, spent family's money
Eva= Bitch, murderer

I daw'd in the anime where Hideyoshi was trying to get Eva to come to her senses, knowing that the real Eva was still in her, then she just shoots him ;_;

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:28:10 2010 No.4069074 >>4069063 Let's see if anyone can solve the episode 6 closed room without Shkannon. They've got almost a year to do so. If they can't, I'd say it's extremely likely, no matter what evidence there is against it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:28:10 2010 No.4069076 >>4069058 Ryu reads shit by his fans and might get ideas. The whole Beato jumping into Battler's arms was in a milkcandy doujinshi. Is he them too?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:29:10 2010 No.4069080 >>4069067 Have you seen the episode 6 scenes? It matches too well. Why is Kanon there? If he wasn't, it would be more believable it was just a coincidence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:30:10 2010 No.4069092 >>4069076 Yes, he is at least half of all major Umineko fanartists. He's only been pretending to be a shitty artist, you see, and he needs a release for his talent. However, it would be too suspicious to do it all under one name, so he takes several.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:31:10 2010 No.4069102 >>4069080 >Why is Kanon there? I would normally play something like that comic off as a coincidence or 'brain waves' but this... it's too random to be a coincidence.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:33:10 2010 No.4069117 >>4069074 Shkannon is fairly likely. Shkannontrice, not so much.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:34:10 2010 No.4069122 no wonder I didn't get the comic when it first came out. I didn't understand exactly what was going on, since it didn't make much sense. now it ALL makes sense, it can't be a coincidence!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:35:10 2010 No.4069133 >>4069073 well a lot of them are also looked as redeemable (Natsuhi is doing her best to be a good wife/mother, Rudolf going on his knees to apologize to Battler)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:35:10 2010 No.4069134 File: 89 KB, 399x492, 15umi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4069122 >>4069102 >>4069080 The next months waiting for ep. 7 are going to be long.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:36:10 2010 No.4069142 >>4069117 >Shkanon But even if just that is true, the stupid teenage girls at animesuki will be so hurt that their beloved Jessi x Kanon is a lie. How could R07 betray his fans like that?

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:37:10 2010 No.4069146

>>4069117
>Shkannontrice, not so much.

It does. The girl has got to be someone Battler met. So, unless it was some servant we don't know (quite unlikely, since there are no clues for that), it should be Shannon or Jessica. That person cannot be Jessica for obvious reasons. So, Shannon is the most viable option.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:37:10 2010 No.4069151 >>4069142 Are you kidding? He made Umineko just to troll fans.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:37:10 2010 No.4069152 >>4069073 >Natsuhi= Baby Killer, Liar Yeah, seriously. How the fuck was Battler able to say in red that she is pure? Red text is fucking bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:38:10 2010 No.4069156 >>4069146 Shannon is not 19. Shannon doesn't give a fuck about Battler. Try again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:38:10 2010 No.4069158 >>4069058 >R07 is fan of Rifyu's works <Good> >R07 use Rifyu's 4koma in the episode FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:38:10 2010 No.4069159 >>4069142 I don't think you've got to be a shipper to think Shkanon is a ridiculous idea (I'm not talking about the theory, but the fact that a plot-device like that one was used). Sure, R07... but come on... not this shit again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:39:10 2010 No.4069167 >>4069152 SHE IS PURE YOU MOTHERFUCKER!THE BABY DEATH WAS AN ACCIDENT!SHE LIED FOR THE HONOR OF THE FAMILY.SHE IS A GOOD ADULT!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:40:10 2010 No.4069168 >>4069152 >How the fuck was Battler able to say in red that she is pure? She's pure as a wife. She's still a murderer. >>4069156 >Shannon is not 19. Shannon doesn't give a fuck about Battler. Really? Can you please repeat that red, please?

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:40:10 2010 No.4069171
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>>4069152
Natsuhi killing the baby is a lie. She was so guilty over the fact that she wished the baby would just go away that over time she started to believe that she had personally killed it. She is pure, faithful and moe and would never do such a thing.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:40:10 2010 No.4069172

>>4069159
Multiple personalities is a stupid plot device no matter how you hack it, especially after he introduces things like the Knox rules and TRUST THE AUTHOR hammers specifically in order to rule out ridiculous shit. But at this point I don't see much of a way around it, though I'd be delighted it if all turned out to be a red herring.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:41:10 2010 No.4069177

>>4069159
>again
Shmion was no where near as stupid. And shipper wise, everyone still got to keep their maybe K1x Mion, and a new pairing was even made Shion x Satoshi.

Oh I see, he borrowed one too many pairings from the shipping gods and they're collecting back the debt on Umineko.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:42:10 2010 No.4069180 >>4069172 Thing is, there have been tons of hints in that direction, even back in Episode 1.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:42:10 2010 No.4069185 >>4069180 No matter how much you 'hint' at it, ridiculous shit is ridiculous shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:43:10 2010 No.4069188 >>4069168 >She's pure as a wife. She's still a murderer. Pfft. That shouldn't work. Sure.. Genji, Nanjo, and Kumasawa aren't murderers but they still killed people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:43:10 2010 No.4069189 >>4069180 There have been a ton of hints for a ton of things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:43:38 2010 No.4069190 >>4069180 This. MPD is incredibly cheap, especially with how it's been used in fiction. It's cliche, and it's been done to hell and back again. All I can say is, you can't say he didn't warn you.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:44:10 2010 No.4069195

>>4069180
This. MPD is incredibly cheap, especially with how it's been used in fiction. It's cliche, and it's been done to hell and back again.

However, he's hinted at it since the start. The only solace I can take is that I can't say he didn't warn us.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:44:10 2010 No.4069196 >>4069168 oic you can only trust things in red

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:44:10 2010 No.4069199 >>4069142 >How could R07 betray his fans like that? Fuck that, Ryukishi betrayed me long ago when he did pretty much a 180 from awesome horror mystery to magic missile love drama. Misery loves company, let Shkannon be true.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:44:10 2010 No.4069200 >>4069190 >All I can say is, you can't say he didn't warn you. You implying my faith in R07 not doing something so stupid was ill-placed?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:44:10 2010 No.4069201 has 2ch discussed this whole Rifyu comic thing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:45:10 2010 No.4069205 >>4069188 It does work. You cannot be murderer and kill people, but I don't think that's a limitation when you're referred as pure in terms of your sexual life.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:45:10 2010 No.4069208 >>4069201 NO

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:49:10 2010 No.4069225

I think a more literal translation than witch-hunt's "Natsuhi oba-san is pure and faithful!" is "Natsuhi oba-san's feelings are pure."

Personally, I don't think Natsuhi killed the baby. She only claimed she did because the man was massively guilt-tripping her. Considering the situation she was in, it's no surprise she'd blame herself. She wished a baby would just die, and it did, but supposedly not really, and it came back calling her mother and blaming her for the incident. Then she's called a murderer constantly by Erika. How is she going to think?

Still, even if you want to claim she killed it, it's not like a murderer can't have pure feelings for something else. Eva killed Battler, but her feelings of love for George are real, pure you could say. The same goes for Natsuhi's love of Krauss, and her respect for Kinzo.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:49:10 2010 No.4069227

>>4069199
>180 from awesome horror mystery to magic missile love drama.
this for fucking ever. EP 4 probably had the most hints of romance in them, but it was bearable due to the fuckwin. EP 5 panders to the fanbase with endless ship tease and EP 6 is just grimdark mixed with romance throughout almost the entirety of the game (although the closed room was nicely done)

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:49:10 2010 No.4069229

>>4069196
No, I also trust gold text, and the detective's POV (up to some extent).

Anyway, let us not use red text. Can you prove she's 16 years old as it has been said?

Or, let's say the girl who created Beatrice wasn't Jessica or Shannon. Who could that person have been? How can she be in the island when we know there are 17 people in Rokkenjima? Please, don't tell me something like "She may not be in the island."

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:50:10 2010 No.4069237 >>4069225 Curse your well-reasoned and thought out response ruining my trolling attempt.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:51:10 2010 No.4069242 >>4069227 There was always romance, you just ignored it because you were mysteryfagging.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:53:10 2010 No.4069254 >>4069242 I know there was always some romance, but jesus EP 6 went all out with it. And not in the best way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:53:10 2010 No.4069255 >>4069242 >There was always Shkanon, you just ignored it because you were mysteryfagging.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:53:10 2010 No.4069261 >>4069227 It's fine if people don't like the romance, but I'm not sure why Ryukishi is "pandering to the fanbase" with "ship tease" when it's obvious he's had this in mind all along.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:55:10 2010 No.4069276 >>4069255 Themes and plot devices are entirely different creatures, anon. Also, I don't think anyone is bitching that Ryukishi is "pandering to Shkannonfags".

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:55:10 2010 No.4069277 >>4069261 He said Battler would have a love interest in one of the first interviews I remember. It's not pandering. It's a mystery/romance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:56:10 2010 No.4069284 >>4069073 WHA? When did she kill a baby?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:56:10 2010 No.4069287 >>4069277 >It's a mystery/romance. Hopefully he remembers the first part before the story finishes.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:58:10 2010 No.4069299

>>4069227
Remember the very shitty George x Shannon scene in Ep1? You didn't think he was going to ramp that kind of shit up as time went on?

Remember the completely undeveloped but for whatever reason was brought to the spotlight Jessica x Kanon shippingness after Kanon died in Ep1? Remember how it got a lot worse in Ep2?

It was all going to go downhill, the trend was obvious from the beginning.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:58:10 2010 No.4069306

I don't think Umineko has focused too much on romance. I remember when faggots kept portraying EP5, and, although it had some romance here and there, it wasn't the focus. Well, EP6 is different, but I don't think romance was the problem there, but the excessive angst. I can understand Battler's feelings, but I think R07 overdid it.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:59:10 2010 No.4069308

>>4069261
I just think it was a bit overdone with the ship tease at time. It broke the pace of the game for me.

>>4069277
Again, I knew it was obvious that they would have a romance (foe yay and all that stuff) but why so fucking tragically grimdark. I wasn't hoping for a happy resolution but holy fuck Battler roleplays with himself because he's so upset. Just seriously, EP 6 is especially excessive with it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 00:59:10 2010 No.4069314 >>4069277 >He said Battler would have a love interest in one of the first interviews I remember. If he had Shkanontrice in mind from the very beginning... just how can he even call that a love interest?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:00:10 2010 No.4069319 >>4069306 R07 is depressed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:01:10 2010 No.4069330 >>4069308 >Battler roleplays with himself I lol'd. The "Battler" on /a/ has been doing this for a long time. Maybe R07 liked the idea.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:01:10 2010 No.4069332 >>4069314 wtf does Shkanontrice have to do with anything? He said he would have a love interest and most thought it was Maria, when it turned out to be Beato.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:01:10 2010 No.4069333 >>4069306 R07 must have seen how much people enjoy depraved and angsty romances when he saw all those fan girls flock to the opening of the next Twilight movie.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:04:10 2010 No.4069365 >>4069332 Yes, but Beato doesn't exist. She's the creation of a girl who suffers from a mental disorder.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:05:10 2010 No.4069367 >>4069333 I guess that's why he called it "Dawn of the Golden Witch" badum tsh

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:05:10 2010 No.4069372 >>4069314 You know how in some stories when the love interest is a guy pretending to be a girl but when the male protagonist finds out about it he's totally okay with it? It's like that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:05:10 2010 No.4069375 >>4069308 The rp was depressing. I don't have a problem with him being that upset, but I wish he wouldn't have been so depressed and incompetent at the same thing. I was honestly expecting him to be pretty damn awesome in ep. 6

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:05:10 2010 No.4069377 File: 219 KB, 800x632, umineko10.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4069332 >and most thought it was Maria I wish it was. ;_;

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:06:10 2010 No.4069389 >>4069365 It's kinda sad if you think Ryu's not going to find some magical way to bring Beato into the real world.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:07:10 2010 No.4069391 >>4069377 Seriously, at least she exists.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:07:10 2010 No.4069397 >>4069375 It's not like Keiichi did anything awesome in ep. 6 of Higurashi.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:07:10 2010 No.4069399

>>4069332
you mean lolicons and pedophiles thought it would be Maria. I mean holy fuck she's 9 and his cousin. If the romance would have been between them I would have dropped the game right away, but I thought it was glaringly obvious the romance would be with Beato.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:08:10 2010 No.4069401 >>4069389 Pinocchio end incoming

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:08:10 2010 No.4069406 File: 280 KB, 1266x1761, 1248927597180.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4069399 In the manga, Maria x Battler is canon.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:09:10 2010 No.4069413 >>4069389 Honestly, I'd really like if there's a way to have Beato in the real world, but I wouldn't like anything that'd feel like an asspull. Shkanon and the possibility of a bomb are enough.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:10:10 2010 No.4069416 >>4069401 Haven't you ever wished for your imaginary waifu to be a real girl? Battler will realize the dream for us.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:10:10 2010 No.4069418 >>4069401 Battler's gonna take her out of the game and take her to the aquarium. Wait for it.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:10:10 2010 No.4069420

>>4069397
>It's not like Keiichi did anything awesome in ep. 6 of Higurashi.
>Ep 6 of Higurashi was Tsumihoroboshi
>Episode where Keiichi mindhax remembers his past self, and fights Rena on the fucking school rooftop, bat vs. hatchet
>Helps her break free from her delusions
Keiichi rapes the shit out of Battler.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:10:10 2010 No.4069421 File: 678 KB, 800x1166, battlerfashionsense.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4069406 So is Battler looking like a little fag when he was a kid. Seriously.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:10:10 2010 No.4069425 >>4069397 >It's not like Keiichi did anything awesome in ep. 6 of Higurashi. >implying the "Happy Couple" scene didn't involve K1 being awesome.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:11:10 2010 No.4069433 >>4069418 As if Battler wasn't already trailing George.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:11:10 2010 No.4069439 >>4069418 Better idea: The mystery gets resolved somehow, but when piece Battler goes back to school, there's a new transfer student there....

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:12:10 2010 No.4069443 >>4069401 I'd rather Pinocchio end than depressing shit end

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:13:10 2010 No.4069449 >>4069439 oh god no. those endings are the most fucking cheesy and corny good ends ever. A transfer student who happens to look like Beato comes to his school. Just no. Please no. then again it is ryukishi so..

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:13:10 2010 No.4069451

>>4069375
>I was honestly expecting him to be pretty damn awesome in ep. 6
He was pretty damn awesome. He got his licks in against Erika, and the reason his room had a logic error was because he was unwilling to relent in his protection of Beato's heart. Sometimes a guy that can take a beating is just as impressive as the guy giving one.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:14:10 2010 No.4069454 >>4069443 At this point I'm the same. I know ep. 7 Bern is gonna fuck with shit even worse than we have now. Maybe R07 will be happier by then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:14:10 2010 No.4069455 >>4069439 >but when piece Battler goes back to school, there's a new transfer student there.... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Just keep Battler in the fucking Meta, if you don't want a sad end R07.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:15:10 2010 No.4069460 >>4069443 Both are fucking awful, let's not strive for mediocrity.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:15:10 2010 No.4069461 >>4069451 Well, since he did it to protect his waifu....

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:15:10 2010 No.4069464 >>4069439 Has this transfer student been raped and does she have any memories as a boy or a girl whose been engaged to Battler's cousin?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:16:10 2010 No.4069471 >>4069451 >and the reason his room had a logic error was because he was unwilling to relent in his protection of Beato's heart Sure, as if he didn't fall for Erika's shenanigans and allowed her to use that fucking tape.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:16:10 2010 No.4069472

>>4069451
>the reason his room had a logic error was because he was unwilling to relent in his protection of Beato's heart.

Not really. The reason there was an error was because Erika went deredere on him and he let her use some tape again. She locks up the two guest rooms and Battler's room and kills the other 5 people. She forces a logical error. Bern and Erika were willing to let him out if he exposed the heart, but not exposing the heart isn't the cause of the error.

The error happens because he got trolled by a deredere personality. Again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:16:10 2010 No.4069473 >>4069455 But Beato is still stuck in the same place in meta. Highschool AU coming up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:17:10 2010 No.4069476 >>4069455 >Just keep Battler in the fucking Meta, But then he'll never go back to Ange to prevent her from becoming a slut.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:17:10 2010 No.4069481 >>4069455 > keep Battler in Meta Meta Battler can't exactly leave the Meta World, you know. He's basically there to stay.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:18:10 2010 No.4069486 >>4069472 Getting trolled by Erika is a fucking sin after the shit she just pulled the episode before.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:18:10 2010 No.4069489 >>4069481 Maybe there might be a way for him to merge with Piece-Battler?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:19:10 2010 No.4069505 >>4069481 >Meta Battler can't exactly leave the Meta World, you know. Says who?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:19:10 2010 No.4069507 Anyone remember how after episode 5 there were still people claiming Beato was trolling?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:19:10 2010 No.4069509 >>4069449 The thing about that end would be that Piece Battler probably wouldn't know about Beatrice as Meta Battler does, unless Meta Battler takes permanent control of the Piece Battler of Episode 8.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:21:10 2010 No.4069518 File: 98 KB, 420x344, beatroll.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4069507 >implying she's still not trolling us all in EP 6 ;_____;

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:21:10 2010 No.4069519 >>4069507 Yes, and ironically, most of us Fuck Yeah'd when she put on her troll face. Anyway, we got trolled by R07 in her instead.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:21:10 2010 No.4069526 >>4069507 Remember how after episode 5 R07 said Erika wasn't bad?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:21:10 2010 No.4069527 >>4069507 Go back to when ep. 6 cover comes out. It's funny looking at the fanart and suit Beato is all evil in it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:22:10 2010 No.4069530 >>4069509 >unless Meta Battler takes permanent control of the Piece Battler of Episode 8 And then Piece Battler was Rika, and Meta Battler was Bern.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:22:10 2010 No.4069533 >>4069526 She's just not good with words!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:23:10 2010 No.4069534 File: 33 KB, 256x362, 2616.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4069526 Hey Battler, I noticed there were a few things off about your gameboard so I went and fixed them for you

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:25:10 2010 No.4069544 >>4069526 Even if she wasn't good, Erika was a detective until the very end. She may have been a bitch, but manly tears were shed at the end for her.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:26:10 2010 No.4069549 >>4069489 Mindfuck retard mode end: Meta-Battler merges with his piece, retains all his memories in meta. Meta-Beatrice merges with whoever is pretending to be her, takes over the host body like a fucking headcrab.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:27:10 2010 No.4069554 >>4069544 >but manly tears were shed at the end for her. Uh, maybe for you and your samefagging self. I thought the scene was cool, but I wasn't about to cry when Beato and Battler kicked her ass out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:27:10 2010 No.4069557 >>4069549 She'd still need her own body

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:28:10 2010 No.4069558 >>4069530 That was the implication, yeah.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:28:10 2010 No.4069564 >>4069549 >Meta-Beatrice merges with whoever is pretending to be her, takes over the host body like a fucking headcrab. No blonde hair, no blue eyes, no boobs... NO THANKS.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:28:10 2010 No.4069565 >>4069519 Go the music box and play 罪, on the last collumn of the second page. The little animation is perfect.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:28:10 2010 No.4069566 >>4069554 I was more thank fucking god she's gone and I didn't even hate her all that much. She was pointless in the end.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:29:10 2010 No.4069573 >>4069549 Actually considering Beato is probably going to die by the end of the series, I was thinking Meta-Battler merge with Piece-Battler only no memories.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:30:10 2010 No.4069576 >>4069554 What I liked the most about that scene was the way she prevented Dlanor from becoming a participant in the duel so that Dlanor wouldn't be affected by the outcome. Also her little dance or whatever it was at the very end.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:30:10 2010 No.4069578 >>4069564 Obviously not a true Beato fan, as long as she has the personality it's fine. Unless it's a man or Kumasawa.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:30:10 2010 No.4069580

>>4069554
>samefagging

Hmmm?

Anyway, I just liked her because she showed her determination. Even until the very end, she played her role as the detective. She was a proud piece, even if she was an evil bitch. Nevertheless, she kept her head high until the very end, and ended the duel, that earned her some manly tears from me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:31:10 2010 No.4069583 >>4069564 Remember how after Ep4 we thought Beatrice was the embodiment of Battler's ideal?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:31:10 2010 No.4069584 >>4069573 I'd like to think Battler would finally be able to save her some magical way and she won't have to die again and suffer, but somehow I doubt it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:31:10 2010 No.4069588 >>4069576 I loved that part too anon ;_; Dlanor got out-bro'd by Erika. In a good way.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:32:10 2010 No.4069589 >>4069584 Best ending, Battler fulfills both promises. He comes riding on a white horse and kills Beatrice.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:32:10 2010 No.4069594

>>4069583
Um... she is. Reposting:

...Beatrice.
Listen carefully.
I will turn over my love for Battler to you.
Become the woman Battler desires.

I will give you the blonde hair he desires.
I will give you the blue eyes he desires.
I will give you the new personality he desires.
And... In place of me, love him.
And if possible, be loved by him.

I can no longer love him.
The feelings I could not obtain...the feelings I could not bear...please obtain them.

From this day forward, you are no longer the phantom of Rokkenjima who only plays tricks.
From this day forward, you are the ruler of Rokkenjima, and the one who waits for him to return until he fulfills his promise.

From this day forward, you will inherit that in my place.
Thus, from this day forward, you are no longer me.

I will push all of my suffering on to you... Please forgive me for being the only one to become happy.

From this day forward, you have the qualifications to detest everything.
You are the Golden Witch, Beatrice.

And someday.
Destroy everything, revive everything.
...Bless all lovers.

At that time.
...For both you and I to find happiness together...I will be wishing for from the bottom of my heart.

From this day on, you are not me.
From this day on, I am not you.
We will divide one soul, and share.
That naturally won't fill up one soul, but. (? not 100% sure about this line)
Surely it will allow (us/you/me? no subject defined) to see more dreams than a person.
May we be blessed...
My cute Beatrice...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:33:10 2010 No.4069595 >>4069589 Fuck, that really would be a good ending.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:33:10 2010 No.4069596 >>4069584 the game heavily implies that exposing Beato's heart and destroying it will end the game. She's going to die no matter which way you see it sadly.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:33:10 2010 No.4069599

>>4069576
Yes, I'm sure much of Erika's bitchiness was due to Bern. Sure, many of the things she did cannot be blamed on Bern, but perhaps, had the circumstances been different, Erika's behaviour would have been different.

>Also her little dance or whatever it was at the very end.

Yes, I loved that, and the narration about she kept her actions beautiful until the end.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:33:10 2010 No.4069603 >>4069588 Stop calling Erika a bro for one decent thing she finally did.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:33:10 2010 No.4069604 >>4069589 fuck you anon, I lol'd and still am.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:34:10 2010 No.4069608 >>4069580 Haven't you made like ten posts about the ocean of manly tears you shed for that paranoid bitch?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:34:10 2010 No.4069611 >>4069594 Yeah, and I'm a loli that wants to know the pleasure of being cummed inside.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:35:10 2010 No.4069613 >>4069603 Sorry, but that one single moment she out-bro'd everyone. She could have been a bigger bitch and let Dlanor take some damage, but she stood her own ground.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:36:10 2010 No.4069621 >>4069596 I'm sure there must be a way around it. >>4069608 Uh... no? That was the first time I've posted that.

Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:36:10 2010 No.4069622

>>4069599
>Yes, I'm sure much of Erika's bitchiness was due to Bern.
Yes, yes, it was all Bern's fault she drove her boyfriend away with her paranoid delusions and inability to trust. Granted, he was a douche too, but I wouldn't expect a bitch to have good taste in men.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:37:10 2010 No.4069629 >>4069596 That's why I said magical way to fix everything

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:38:10 2010 No.4069630 >>4069613 >but that one single moment she out-bro'd everyone. It's the same thing Beato did at least twice last episode. She didn't out-bro shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:40:10 2010 No.4069637 >BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWW STOP CALLING ERIKA A BRO, I DON'T LIKE HER

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:41:10 2010 No.4069642 >>4069637 I don't really feel one way or the other about her. Honestly, that was her crowning moment, and I thought the description was gorgeous, but it's nothing we haven't seen from other characters and I thought her "tragic past" was laughable.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 01:50:10 2010 No.4069678 >>4069637 Calling her a bro is fine, but saying she outbro'd everyone ever is kind of stupid. She got her shining moment of redemption, but she still deserved everything she got

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 5 02:17:10 2010 No.4069923 >>4069642 What was her tragic past?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 7 02:42:52 2010 No.4069923,1 >>4069594 When did this happen?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 7 06:12:23 2010 No.4069923,2 >366 replies omitted. Click Reply to view. What.

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