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But George is the Demon King of Rokkenjima.

literature expert ITT

Ryukishi will still fuck it up.

GET OUT UMINEKO DEVS GO BACK TO GAMEFAQS

This was obvious since Episode 5. Battler is the correct person to succeed Kinzo.

...Well personality wise atleast. Battler can't even figure out the Epitah puzzle. I can't either of course but thats because it seems like a bunch of Japanese wordplay.

In b4 Battler discovers magic goes back in time and literally becomes Kinzo.

>>4053412
It's actually Japanese foreplay.

It's what Kinzo used to say to Beato every night.

>>4053414
Dont doom it man. Fuck. Now i know this is going to happen. Fuck you anonymous, you always jinx my shit.

>>4053414
Don't give him ideas, you motherfucker.

>>4053414
hence why Umineko is also not a traditional mystery as stated by R07.
Battler will get real magic by the end of umineko and go back in time and become Kinzo.

>>4053412

Did I say Episode 5? I mean episode 4. Fuck I shouldnt be up at 3:21 in the goddamn morning.

>>4053423
We already discussed this. Also akasawhoever is Archer-Battler.

I remember hearing that ep5 spoiler that Battler would be the family head without any context given. I was so excited. I was so excited. But then the translation came out, I was sorely disappointed.

Likewise, Endless Sorcerer Battler. Awesomest thing ever? Not according to ep6.

>>4053437
So Archer-Battler is the one who gave up on his ideals to bone a nonexistent woman, and Kinzo-Battler drowned in them.

>>4053414
>>4053421
>>4053423
>>4053428

>>4053414
That's the only way he'll get a tangible Beatrice who isn't just a figment of someone's imagination. She'll die because of Rosa but it's better than what Battler's got now.

>>4053458
So we get an endless recursion of time bullshit ending that dooms his own family to dying in a multitude of worlds, just so he can fuck a girl.

I hate shippers.

You now realize Battler's obsessions with Beatrice as of ep. 6, his clothes, his personality, and his backstory are all mirror to kinzo.

>>4053458
How can you say that Beatrice is the figment and not Shkanon.

>>4053467
They're dead anyway. They can't be brought back. It's better to hope for Battler to become Kinzo rather than the Kinzo 0.5 alpha version he is now.

>>4053467
He's shipping something but not the pairing we all know and love.

>>4053477
What if it's the other way around and Kinzo was the one becoming like Battler, we just haven't realized it yet.

>>4053484
what you said literally makes no sense because Kinzo hasn't had any change in character.

>>4053484
I just sprained my little gray cells wrapping my head around that post.

>>4053480
Indeed. I don't care who Battler ends up with. He just needs to get his dick wet by something real and that hasn't already been ravaged by his fat creepy virgin cousin.

>>4053497
>been ravaged
>by virgin
wat?

>>4053497
Leave Jessica, Ange, and the mothers. Eva and Natsuhi are probably a no go, being faithful.

>>4053468
FFFFFFFFFFFFF-

Battler is not going to become Kinzo, seriously. The parallels in the beginning of the episode are both obvious and obviously deliberate, but he has his waifu back by the end. Unless she dies again. In which case who the fuck knows.

>>4053502
George being a virgin immediately prior to the time of ravaging. Argue the semantics if you wish. Umineko fans love to do that.

>>4053516
that never happened.

>>4053515
>Battler is not going to become Kinzo, seriously

B-But, it's the only good thing Battler's got going left. If he can't become Kinzo then what is left?

>>4053529
You have the badass who would rather cut himself into pieces small enough to go through a bathroom drain rather than betray any part of his waifu and who tells Erika she can fuck herself even as she's torturing him into insanity.

>>4053529
Meta world is dead to me, as long as piece gets to fuck someone, I can at least hope that everyone in meta is erased.

>>4053537
That's good... for a start. Battler just needs to complete the transformation and it will be even better.

>>4053542
I suppose you're better than those who completely abandon the human world, thus finding no problems in all of the characters being paired perfectly off with all the different versions of Shannon.

I understand why people keep saying Amakusa is somehow related to Battler.Stakes's Valentine Day and ihihi kinda give it away.

>>4053558
I thought Amakusa went 'hihihihi' whereas Battler goes 'ihihihihi'. It was like this the last time I checked in ep6, might've been different for the Stake's V-day.

>>4053558
Amakusa is heavily implied to be evil at the end of EP6, so I sure hope he's not Battler.

>>4053565
By abandoning his love for Beatrice, he abandoned a part of himself, namely his laugh, which is now inverted.

My logic is flawless.

>>4053567
He actually exists in Ep6 after Super Hanyuu shows off her medals?

>>4053570
I can find no holes in your argument. I must now accept this as the superior theory which should be used in all current understandings of Umineko.

>>4053558
Amakusa = Archer
Ange = Rin
Battler = Shirou
Beato = Saber

>>4053579
How many times must we do this?

>>4053582
All night long, baby

>>4053579
So would Shannon = Sakura?

>>4053574
Yep. After Ange leaves Super Hanyuu, she goes out to meet Amakusa, who's making an extremely shady phone call with Okonogi.

>>4053515

>Battler is not going to become Kinzo

Battler IS Kinzo you foooooooooool! Ahahahahaha!

>>4053567
what he do in EP6 that make you think he is evil?tell me.

>>4053585
She's implied to be lusting after all three of the cousins genitalia, not even minding that one is a woman, so yes, she's about as much of a slut as Sakura.

Rudolf = Lancer
Kinzo = Kotomine
Maria = Illiya
Eva = Caster

>>4053595
When Ange is done talking with Tooya, she has to go out to meet Amakusa, who was making a phone call. Ange doesn't hear it, but we do--it's with Okonogi and it's super shady with fairly dark music playing in the background. Okonogi tells Amakusa, among other thing, that the Sumaderas "aren't his enemy" and he can do what he wants.

Kinzo is more like Zouken

>>4053604
Though you should probably take that with a grain of salt, as my moonspeak isn't very strong. But it was very blatantly shady and ominous as hell.

>>4053414
so Battler is Fry?

>>4053604
Why must Ryuukishi ruin all the pairings in Umineko? Granted, the middle aged pairings are top-notch but not a single of the young pairings were spared in Ep6 it seems.

>>4053604
I hope he have a larger role in the next episode.He is kinda cool.

>>4053659
To tell the truth I never really cared for JessicaXKanon or GeorgeXShannon. They both were poorly developed and forced.

>>4053659
thta's because the cousin pairings are BORING, whereas the old ones have been always interesting, let it be, it's a good change from the usual VN

>>4053678
Nor I to be honest. Hell, I supported ShKanon when I thought that would give Beato a chance as a piece on Rokkenjima. I sure feel like an idiot.

But Ryuukishi's blatant disregard for those pairings that he himself attempted to develop, poorly developed, but attempted to nonetheless. I don't know, it's just... And it's only made worse by his seeming belief that with just a touch of magic, they can all still be valid.

>>4053659
I don't know, man, I think Ange and Amakusa are even hotter to me if he's evil.

>>4053691
>cousin pairings

More like cousin orgy, unfortunately not with each other, but all piling atop the meat bag that is Shannon.

>>4053678
what did you expect, the only important part in their relationships is the Shkanon problem, that's it
Also at least GeorgexShannon isn't as forced, the other one is just plain boring

>>4053707
>the other one is just plain boring
This, I will rage like a motherfucker if Jessica turns out to be relatively normal, because he made that pairing fucking awful. Bitch needs to be evil, or something to make her interesting. Kanon just needs to not exist, the character sucks.

why can't he do shkanon and Jessitrice, it would be the perfect ending, shannonxgeorge and jessicaxbattler, no one is left alone, just kanon dissapears, but no, he has to do shkanontrice

>>4053692
Well, nothing it confirmed yet.

My personal feelings are that Shkannon is probable, but Shannontrice has enough room and a few holes, or at least odd questions, that I'm willing to wait and see.

>>4053692
It'll become important later when Battler sacrifices them all to revive Beatrice for realz this time.

>>4053468
You now realize Kinzo didn't appear in EP6 at all

>>4053599
I can only imagine what Ryuukishi was thinking.

"Surely because Sakura is such a compelling character in F/SN I must create an equally compelling character. But what was compelling about her again? Is she even compelling at all? No wait, she was raped by a grandfather type figure and turned into a slut. Surely, that's what makes Sakura such a great character. I will emulate it.

However, Sakura only seemed to have two personas, one good and one more spiteful. Hmmm... How can I beat that? I know! I will make my character have three personas that are completely different. Forget the dichotomy of good and dark. I'm making mine be girl/boy/witch. Yes I am brilliant!"

>>4053729
he wasn 'dissapear' after all, the strange par is that Battler talks about 'showing it to him' I thought he was referring to Kinzo, but he didn't appeared later

>>4053739
Your train of logic is so offtrack on so many levels, it's ridiculous.

>>4053739
Get out of my mind.

>>4053717
No, there are more ways for it to work out, such as ShkanontriceXBattler and GeorgeXJessica. Afterall George and Jessica are both so boring that they deserve each other.

>>4053739
>>4053746
I chortled.

>>4053742
>Offtrack logic
>Shoehorning of connections between F/SN and Umineko.

Surely you jest.

>>4053754
Fuck you, George is awesome.

>>4053754
yeah, and that's good for Eva too, but george likes domestic girls

>>4053754
Fuck no, Battler deserves more than damaged goods Shannon.

Plus if she disguises herself as Kanon, she doesn't even have huge tits, Jessica or Rosa is the only path.

>>4053742
I agree. Ryuukishi was clearly emulating another masterpiece.

>>4053767
>implying osa isn't the most damaged in the bunch that would lust for a cock even in a coma

>>4053775
*Rosa

>>4053767
>implying Jessica isn't a lesbian

>>4053775
She has standards though, she wouldn't touch that faggot George.

>>4053775
Rosa at least has tits. Shannon's damaged too but also has no tits. What is she good for?

>>4053786
Absolutely nothing.

>>4053783

>>4053739
>No wait, she was raped by a grandfather type figure and turned into a slut.

Is this sort of thing popular in VNs?

>>4053799
Only one's based off of F/SN.

>>4053792
There was a time when I would've laughed at the ridiculousness of it. Now, pardon me while I cry myself to sleep.

>>4053792
I would kill Ryukishi, then myself.

Ronery hobo end for Battler and George, just shoot the dykes.

>>4053799
Technically, Zoken is not the one doing the raping, just the worm abuse.
Shinji picked up the sexual duties.

>>4053802
People used to describe the magic fights in Umineko as being F/SN like. It seems that the description can be applied to more things.

>>4053799
Tsukihime had a servant girl get raped by that type of character as well.

I thought the Kinzo rape was quite obvious
I shannon case it's possible that she created Kanon
-I the possible Jessica's case, that she created another persona (which couldn't be denied by red)

- George says something about becoming the right gentlemen to handle girls. He also wants to become a proper man for the proper women, as he wasn't popular with the ladies growing up (?).
- Shannon says she understands the feeling of wanting to impress. She also does things to attract the guys.
- Apparently a flashback to when Battler talks naturally to Shannon. George was jealous of Battler.
- George says he gathers up the courage to confess to Shannon. She wants to know what he has in mind.

>>4053808
What are you talking about, Battler has an entire HAREM at his highschool. Though ya, George would become a ronery hobo.

>>4053813
Fights are notjhing alike, for better or for worse.
Makihisa is a father figure, technically.

Rape existing somewhere in the story (Umineko in our ridiculous theories) does not make for similar stories.

Even the 3 TM examples are vastly different (as to how, why and the result)

>>4053821
Now if only Battler can get off that island alive and for his piece to not be affected in any way by the insanity of his meta-version.

>>4053817
And Ange hates virgins like George.

>>4053828
it's meta-Battler the one who should return home, son he stays as a ronery faggot longing for Beatrice

shannon being rape victim is too...predictable.
jessica on the other hand, I don't know if r07 has the balls to do a triple incest rape romance story. if he does, we are the winners.

>>4053829
Is it ever explained why Ange hates him?

Thinking he's a fucking dork, I can understand, but why the hate?

Out of curiosity, how many of you people bitching have actually played and understood the episode?

>>4053837
You standards for great stories are weird.

>>4053837
This, I used to abhor Jessitrice, but in light of the knowledge we have, it's sounding pretty fucking awesome right about now.

>>4053826
>Rape existing somewhere in the story (Umineko in our ridiculous theories) does not make for similar stories.

This man is right. And the only reason why rape is so often used in media is because it's good and makes for compelling drama. They don't usually turn into sluts after rapes in most cases but... COMPELLING CHARACTER DRAMA!

>>4053838
In EP6, Ange said he hates gentlemen like George because they smell like virgins

>>4053840
I played.
Now, 'understood' is a tall order..

>>4053837
he had to forshadow it, it's not predictable, just one solution

>>4053844
You too huh?

Remember when Ep5 spoilers came out and BeatricexBattler was made canon and we all rejoiced at the same time denouncing Jessitrice like no tomorrow? I don't.

>>4053848
>Now, 'understood' is a tall order..

Welcome to Rokkenjima. Unless you meant you read it in Atlas or something.

>>4053848
No one could understand higurashi until it was over either.

Higurashi- it was all a bitches biological testing... thing
Magic made it an issue because Rika had trouble accepting she was dead, or at least her grandma or whoever the fuck that was.

I imagine this will end as neatly.

>>4053868
>I imagine this will end as neatly.

Oh come now. Have some faith. When has R07 given us any reason to doubt his writing abilities throughout Umineko?

>>4053860
right now it's the best solution, Shkanontrice is just too much, though I wouldn't put it past the perso who created the 'spacial brain parasytes'

>>4053868
While what causes the BEHAVIOR and the loops was up for grasps, what happened in each case was way more glaring (as in, what characters were involved and what they did) in the question arcs and it became clearer in the answers.
This is quite a crank up on the ridiculous and unclear circumstances. (Plus a few people are fucking nuts without the parasites)

>>4053878
Personally I believe Kanontrice, Shannontrice seems too predictable and Shkanon is not as likely as people like to think.

What do our friends across the Pacific at 2ch think of ShKanontrice in light of Ep6?

>>4053891
someone said they're also debating it, like most umineko boards now

>>4053884
Can you say that in red? Thought not

>>4053838
- George himself describes himself that was the same. How he wanted to grow up and become a splendid man. He asks her if he has grown. She likens him to a butterly leaving it's chrysalis. She finds his slight negativity different from his usual cheery attitude.
- George says something about becoming the right gentlemen to handle girls. He also wants to become a proper man for the proper women, as he wasn't popular with the ladies growing up (?).
- Shannon says she understands the feeling of wanting to impress. She also does things to attract the guys.
- Apparently a flashback to when Battler talks naturally to Shannon. George was jealous of Battler.
- George says he gathers up the courage to confess to Shannon. She wants to know what he has in mind.
- Side scene to Ange and Featherine. Sort of sappy for Ange, but Featherine finds his attempts respectable.
- Flashback by George on Jessica and Battler. Apparently in his rush to become an adult he sort of looked down on both of them as childish. He says something about an inferiority complex that made him think like this. George says so much it's hard to translate I'm sorry.
- Side scene Featherine talks about heterosexual relationships. Ange says something about how natural (?) in communication Jessica and Battler are. She seems rather disgusted at George. The rest of this scene I can't translate properly.
- George says these times were the times he was most arrogant. In Shannon however he would realize he was a fool. He says one day while with Shannon he woudl realize that he was the one who was childish.

>>4053890
I think you're just gay.

The only good part about Shkanontrice is lesbian Jessica. Instead, you would be in favor of Kanontrice and thus homolust? I like the way you think.

>>4053899
Hard to say it, since I have to type here.

>>4053908
I think you're not trying hard enough. I've won this time.

>>4053913
I chortled. Never change /jp/

>>4053900

George has a good head on his shoulders, and big dreams to accomplish.

Remember EP2 where he said Shannon changed him for the better? Getting a girlfriend boosted his confidence, and gave him the drive to become a successful man (building his castle etc.). This type of revelation about George being kinda like a dork beforehand is not unexpected.

Ange's a bit of a jerk though, but she had an abusive childhood and had to toughen herself up and rely on herself since the beginning.

How old was George again? Who was born first, him or Natsuhi's orphan kid?

>>4053900
sounds like george is still a faggot and shannon still a whore.
ange is still a manly bitch.

>>4053919
George is 23 I believe.

>>4053919
George is 21-23

>>4053919
George is the oldest 24 years old.

>>4053913
Won what?

>>4053920
It sounds like Ange doesn't know what does love mean.

>>4053919
so the part about Ange saying she hates virgins is not true?

>>4053937
Yes
It just show that Ange doesn't know the meaning of love.

>>4053937
It's true.

>>4053937
An exaggeration much like many spoilers I think. I thought what she said was that George acting like a gentleman all the time reeked of creepy virgin or something to that effect.

Obviously she's not putting purity on much of a high pedestal but she's been privileged by the penises of many of her bodyguards. Who are we to question her judgement?

>>4053936
bronove said it, man gives two fuck about love, it's about blood and honor.

>>4053946
oh Ange

>>4053919

>George
>Age

What was the proof for Shkanon exactly? And what disproved Jessitrice? None of the spoilers seem to point to this from what I've been exposed to.

>>4054011
ShKanontrice has a lot of fucking hints:

-Never shown together by a detective POV

-Detective never sees Kanon's body from up close

-Kanon's body also completely disappear in episode 2, 4 and 6.

-Every "indentity of the body confirmed" in red always avoid Shannon for some reason.

-Zombie Kanon in episode 2

-How George died in episode 3.

-How Jessica was guided by Kanon's voice in episode 3

-Suit Beatrice knows about Battler english, Shannon talk about it in episode 3.

>>4054011

>Kanon and Shannon live in the same room, sleep in the same bed.
>If Shannon quits her job, Kanon will also quit
>If Shannon accepts George proposal, she will never go back to Rokkenjima and will separate from Kanon (implied forever).
>If Kanon wins then he will take care of both Shannon and Jessica.
>If Shannon wins, she will leave the island with Kanon
>If Kanon admit that he loves Jessica, he and Shannon will have to settle things seriously between each other
>Shannon's happiness hurt Kanon
>Shannon and Kanon exist by hurting each other.
>If Shannon wins, Kanon will have to leave and never see Jessica again
>Shannon and Kanon have a duel to the death. Shannon kills Kanon, and on the game board, Kanon's body disappears right in front of Jessica
>Kanon's spirit afterwards talks about beings with bodies in a way that indicates he is not one of them

>-Zombie Kanon in episode 2

*rolls eyes*

How exactly does ShKanon explain this?

>>4054051
ShKanon doesn't.
ShKanontrice does.

>>4054039
those clues are just to prove Shkanon, the engrish is easy, Jessica just doesn't remember because is sealed in another personality. Also a hint for Jessitrice
ep3 end, Nanjo's murder, Beato, when asked about is Jessica had another personality, instead of just denying it she went really roundabout and denied that her body had anything to do,, why would she go to such extents when the solution was easier?

Ok ok.I understand how Shannon = Beatrice is formed but i don't get it why Kannon is created to begin with?Why lol?

>>4054082
It's Shannon's hobby to form split personalities to pair off people in the Ushiromiya family who are single. Wait till you see the persona she has in the works for Rosa. She also already has preliminary designs for Maria's imaginary boyfriend when she becomes of age.

>>4054060
Shkanon does the same way
you people are just too focused on Shkanontrice, like children with a new toy

>>4054086
Ahahaha..oh god.

>>4054074
Beatrice in the real world doesn't look like Beatrice at all.
She isn't blond, she isn't peppy, she is compleltely different from Jessica.

>>4054082
Kanon is a protector.
Notice how he always says that his "job" is to look over Shannon.
Or how he always appear like a ninja after Shannon talked with someone, always hearing everything.
He was probably created to deal with Kinzo too, since it's stated that Kanon was pretty close to Kinzo.

>>4054088
That's because ShKanontrice pretty much solve everything.
Jessitrice has too much holes.

Remember the first part of episode 2.
How Beatrice interacted with Shannon and Kanon.
What could be the signification of Shannon breaking the mirror?

>>4054095
The mirror showed her true identity as kanon. Shannon never existed

What if you are wrong?

>>4054106
I think everyone would be overjoyed if Shkannon and Shkannontrice were wrong.

>>4054095

Well, not everything, but you get the idea.

Also, Shkanontrice still has a hurdle to pass, which is the "definition of a person". We can't answer that, until Ryukishi does so, because it's a semantic thing.

>>4054104
Kanon had nothing to do with the mirror though.
Beatrice did.

>>4054113
Yeah, but semantic about "person" is the only thing that can solve episode 6 last riddle.

>>4054093
and what tells you that Jesica, just to approach Battler and ask what type of girl he likes, disguised herself as Shannon for a time and then the conversation happened
that shannon and Beatrice exchanged themselves was one of the basis of the pony theory

>>4054120
Why the fuck wouln't Battler recognize his own cousing?
That's stupid and needlessly confusing.

And doesn't change the fact that a lot of the murders are impossible for Jessica.

Except if you think she has DID too, 2 different people on the island suffering from it would be a bit too much, I think.

>>4054119

>the only thing that can solve episode 6 last riddle.

Fuck you, pretentious faggot. Don't even begin to tell me you've worked out every possible solution.

>>4054138
Theres nothing to solve because theres no real logic here.

>>4054138
There's nothing pretentious about it.
What the fuck can solve
"There's 18 people"
"There's 17 people"
Both being definite statement and both being true.
Only using a different definition of people could work.
It's not difficult.