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I love Higurashi even when it turned into dumb conspirology.

I need more of those twins. They're hot.

>>4047380
Any porn of Furfur and Zepar yet?

>>4047380
I don't have this one. Thanks OP.

I don't really care as long as Erika isn't gone for good

But most of the recent theories are in direct opposition to each other.

>>4047380
Which one has the PENIS again?

I don't care about Shkanon. I just don't want Shannontrice to be true because then we'll have a Battler hobo end.

If Shkanontrice proves true I will rage myself into a coma.

If B0MB and Shkannon theories are true then I don't really care.

>>4047416
most people think the blue one has a penis

>>4047413
Not really:
ShKanontrice
LOL FANFICTION
And B0MB

Are the recent theories I can think of, there's no contradiction about using the 3 of them at the same time.

>>4047416
Nanjo = Gaap = Dickgirl:
>>4047321

>>4047421

Coz we know both of them has a penis.

>>4047417
Amakusa is Battler so you'll have an Ange x Battler end instead.

I thought their hair was the same length but all the fanart I've seen has Furfur with short hair.

what are the twins' names in Japanese?

>>4047439
フルフル
ゼパル

>>4047445
Thanks

>>4047433
yes, they're basically a copypasta with hair length and color changed.

For evryone: you can't rerally tell which is the male one, Zepar is supposed to be the mael By the Lesser key of Solomon, but so is Gaap, so sorry, just put a random dick and imagine hot twincest with sisterxtrap brother

>>4047492
if you go by what it says in their tips, Furfur is probably the male one because he/she is offense and Zepar is defense so Furfur = Kanon and Zepar = Shannon.

>>4047514
it's impossible to know, so just let them be

Zepar and Furfur are two pieces of Beatrice's broken brooch. One is held by Kanon, one by Shannon.

>>4047424

how come they are twins again when zepar is MUCH MUCH higher in rank than furfur?

I believe zepar outranks even ronove by a mile or so

>>4047528
>>two pieces of Beatrice's broken brooch
>>One is held by Kanon, one by Shannon.
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Stop making so much sense fucking ShKanontrice

>>4047528
Yup

>>4047528
who gets Zepar's half?

>>4047537
I don't think the ranks are important in Umineko

>>4047537
like that matters in Umineko world, they aren't the real demons, or have you seen their legions?
Mythology in umienko is just to create characters and do the circles, that's all

>>4047537
ryukishi probably made them twins because saying "zepar furfur" is cute and just rolls off the tongue

>>4047576
that easy, really, at least gaap had foreshadowing, but furfue-sounds cute zepar-makes a good match

I wonder when the next Umineko popularity poll will be. I'll be voting for Zepar.

I'd be a little disappointed if Shkanon turned out to be true, but I doubt it would bother me that much.

I don't care about Shkannon.

It's Shkannontrice that bothers me.

>>4047668
and Shkanontrice?
Many people gave up on Shkanon in ep5, that was the troll

Yeah.

I'm pretty cool with all the metafcition parts and Hanyuu Author bits.

Shkanontrice makes me go "ehhhh", but I reserve judgment on that until I read EP6. Besides, it has a chance of violating a Red Text.

>>4047707
I'm fine with the Hanyuu 2.0 shit as long as she's not also writing the meta world. If the meta world is all part of her story too, I'm going to honestly rage. Not sitting at my keyboard typing FFFFF and looking indifferent. Real motherfucking rage.

I hope we get another Ryukishi interview soon so we know what the fuck he's thinking

>>4047707
People tried since the last few days.
Doesn't violate any red texts, actually a few of these red texts can only be solved thank to it.

Which is why it's so frustrating.

>>4047722
He's thinking THE HEART, because nobody dies in seacats.

are there any mp3s for the EP6 music yet?

I argued back against it using a slightly messed up arguement in a previous thread.

Basically it has a chance to violate the Red text, "The only person who can use Kanon's name is Kanon himself."

It's just a chance to violate it though, but at least it allows me to still doubt the theory until Ryukishi clarifies the definition of human in red.

>>4047748
"Kanon's name" isn't the same thing as "the name Kanon"

>>4047757

Why?

So we are heading into another Miyo arent we ?

>>4047746
I don't think so. I really want an mp3 of gc-28.

>>4047755
ShKanontrice is the culprit meaning that Sayo is the culprit.
Sayo = 34

You can shit your bricks now.

>>4047746
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=POINCLAP
don't know about the format though, just check the folder before downloading it and thank mcanime

>>4047777
taht's called ruriair, really use the music box name

>>4047766
ShKanontrice is the culprit meaning that Sayo is the culprit.
Sayo = 34

You can shit your bricks now.

>>4047784
ruriair is gc-29. gc-28 is some Japanese title that I can't read.

>>4047721
she said the events of the meta world are true, after all what happens in the meta-world doesn't affect the actual gameboard, Evatrice would have been included though

>>4047778
those aren't mp3s

>>4047790
sorry then, it's called 'warushi' in kana, so I really don't know, it's something like 'it is bad'

>>4047810
then use a convertor, erightsoft super is pretty good

>>4047814
do you know what the romaji titles for the other songs are?

>>4047820
ok, i'll try it, really will try wait about five mins

>>4047826
ok, Ill need more time, so soon

Remember when Beatrice used to refuse to repeat things in red in a flustered and moe fashion?


;_____;

>>4047820
if you wanted the translations it would be easier

>>4047867
SHE'S DEAD FOREVER

>>4047877
SHUT UP BATTLER MIGHT HEAR YOU AND SET YOUR FACE ON FIRE

>>4047859
Sorry if it's too much trouble. The one I want to know most is this one 反魔セクエソツィア since when I use the kanji to romaji thing, what it comes up with doesn't look right.

what do the twins do?

Why are their clothing so lewd

>>4047898
He'll just bawww and fuck his Beato clone daughter.

>>4047934
because all demons are sluts

>>4047869
ok here (just the jap ones)
-lg_ep6_org2.ogg: 鈍色の空笑-nibuiro no sora emi
-eb.ogg:永遠の鎖-eien no kusari
-setsuna.ogg: 刹那-setsuna
-dai_001(blue).ogg-青い蝶-aoi chou
-gc-28 is warushi
-lg_kina9mx.ogg: キ・ナの香リ ki na no kouri/kaori, doubt this one
- 嬰児クインビー.ogg- eiji quimby
-gc-30.ogg:反魔セクエソツィアhanma sekuesotsuia (if anyone can check this kana)
-lg_usan_uta_full.ogg: ウサソノカオリ usa sono kaori
-dai_002.ogg 道: dou (means road)
-dai_012_(罪_Long).ogg : the kanji is the title and is read as 'zai' (means crime)

This are all the new ones not in romaji/english

I have no problem with ShKanon, but ShKanontrice is fucking stupid. And "it was all a fiction inside a fiction inside a fiction" is even worse.

>>4047903
sorry, but those kana are read as that, sekuesotsuia

>>4047960
Why is 3 personalities weirder than 2?
I don't see the logic.

When does liberatedliberator play? Is it an epic scene?

>>4047965

He doesn't like that particular explanation for Beatrice maybe?

>>4047537
Demon ranks aren't really powerlevels. Furfur actually command more demon legions than Zepar.

>>4047934
You should ask Yamcha.

>>4047965
Too much going on at once. She has to go from Shannon, to Kanon, to Beatrice, which also means changing clothes, and she apparently does this flawlessly every time.

Not to mention there has been no evidence of Shannon being terribly bright, and yet she can concoct these schemes? What the fuck is going on.

>>4047955
Thank you very much!

>MEANWHILE AT WITCH-HUNT...

Is it me or do Furfur's colours make much more sense in this image? I think R07 needs to learn to desaturate.

>>4047965
Because it's an ultra cheap trick to explain everything? And how many people with three self aware and independent personalities are out there?

>>4047988
Let's not go on this in this thread so last post.
Usually in DID, you have an original personality that is "stronger" than the others and who created the others for some reason.
Shannon and Kanon are pretty much at the same level, it doesn't seem like Shannon created Kanon or vice versa, therefore a 3rd personality is possible.

>>4048007
>> cheap trick
Ryuukichi had to use a cheap trick for all his "unsolvable" mysteries you know.

>>4047867
Remember when this pairing wasn't so fucked up? ;_;

So, let me ask for the Shkannon interpretation of this red text, from episode 5's climax.

"No corpses exist instead of those of characters who have appeared in this story."

Shkannon cannot be done without at least one body double in episodes 1 and 3. This red truth is used to disprove any body doubles. What say you?

>>4048043
it always was

>>4048043
Yes. ;_;

It's crazy how much Battler is willing to do for Beato now. I mean, a couple games ago he could still stand to see Beato impaled with the blue stakes. He was bawwwing while doing so, but he didn't fully break down. Now, if he had to do that again...well, he couldn't. He'd say maybe one word of blue truth and completely fall apart.

>>4048055
Because there is a body for Shannon and a body for Kanon but one of them is dead before the start of the gameboard.

>>4048037
By all you mean Higurashi? And really ShKanontrice + Bomb + LOL fictional fiction that never happened together are much worse than brain parasites.

>>4048055
you cant use body doubles like that
Shkannon actually has clues scattered, in that case yeah no.

>>4048073

I like this better than DID.

Still.

## They definitely would not mistake any different person for Kanon!

Kanon cannot be mistaken by sight.

>>4048073

Then how can there be this complex triple persona inside one of them?

Furthermore, how long could this dead body be hidden, without any sign of difference? They had to burn Kinzo's body for a reason, after all.

>>4048055
This red text was only used for George, Jessica, Maria, Krauss and Rosa deaths.

>>4048085

The game boards were always fictional. The game is basically Beato retelling the Rokkenjima serial murder case remember? Only with magic and demons.

>>4048089

The fuck are you talking about?

Lambda was talking about the people who "saw" Kanon when she said that. If they were just lying then they wouldn't have been mistaking anyone for Kanon.

>>4048110
knox 10th
no doubles without previous justification

>>4048043
I wish Ryukishi wouldn't make them so fucking tragic.

EP 1 - fuck yeah they're rivals
EP 2 - he totally wants to bang her
EP 3 - fffffmoeblob
EP 4 - ;_; Beato
EP 5 - ;_____; BEATO
EP 6 - ;_________________; BATTTLERRRRR

I mean holy fuck.

>>4048101
Yeah.
It was specificly about these murders.

Same that when Beato went about "no body trick for the unidentified bodies", except she left the "identified" ones alone.

>>4048118
Knox's 10th, it is forbidden for a character to disguise themselves as another without any CLUES!

Nothing about body doubles.

>>4048098
the body might have only been dead for a day. We know that Shannon and Kanon did have separate bodies because of EP1 and EP3. I can't believe that all the adults would lie about finding Kanon's body in the chapel.

>>4048125
Methinks that Anon needs to learn what the fuck a body double is.

>>4048128
There's also the red text about 6 people, Kinzo, Shannon, Kanon, Genji, Kumawasa and Godha being dead and that all 6 died instantly. Kanon and Shannon were defintely separate at one time.

>>4048135
It's a corpse, not a character.

>>4048141
ShKanontrice theory.
Shannon and Kanon's persona died, only Beatrice remained.

>>4048112

That was Beato's text really. Alright, that's fine. Knox 10. No disguises without clues. Any clues?

Justification for the farce would be nice too. Servants + Jessica + Natsuhi would have to be in on it. Natsuhi because she's organizing the Kinzo deception.

>>4048120
I don't really mind the GRIMDARK or superdrama, and I'm actually rooting for an incredibly depressing, possibly hobo-related end, but goddamn it Ryukishi. Could you at least bring her back for like thirty seconds so that Battler can powerhug her, say goodbye and go back to being emo and fucked up?

>>4048142
That's a stupid semantical argument and you know it.

>>4048152
I love that artist.

Unsure of want for a depressing hobo end.

>>4048161
Semantic is everything the red text is about you know.

>>4048152
he has the new Beatrice now, also accept that people can DIE in umineko

>>4048121

So this Red truth that denies the possibility of Shkannon in other games...only works for Game 5.

But the Red Truth that forces Erika to exist as a piece on the board, that too, only works for episode 5.

The truth that Erika might not exist on the Episode 6 game board persists.

>>4048165
I remembered that about 3 seconds after posting, yes. Now, I'm just angry at R07.

>>4048172

Unless proper translation for the Red in EP6 is presented, I hesitate to subscribe to that theory just yet even if I prefer it.

>>4048172
A change of the setting of the game would have been stated.
And it was said in red in episode 6 that she KILLED.
How can someone who doesn't exist kill anyone?

And the red text in episode clearly refered to the dead of this episode only.

>>4048068
>Now, if he had to do that again...well, he couldn't.
Absolutely not. This ep alone proved that between exposing Beato and an eternity of brain breaking torture, he'd take the torture without flinching.

I would like to see this Battler confront Battler circa ep4...

>>4048192
Meant in episode 5

>>4048182

Frankly, I do too.

However, people have used that Red to prove that there is no other solution besides Shkannon. There, right there, I have proven this false. There is "another solution." The likelyhood of it is lost to the darkness of translation, however.

I still don't think ShKannon makes much sense unless there was anything in the text to indicate that they look alike. Anime style drawing is especially prone to sameface and there's the added difficult of Ryu07's drawing style being rather simple that I don't really think you can draw conclusions like "they look similar" from the sprites without violating the Knox rule about disguises and twins. Beyond the idea that the sprites look somewhat similar there is little to nothing to indicate that Kannon or Shannon could pass for the other easily in the text of episodes 1-5, no comment on 6 since I haven't read it yet.

And ShKannontrice is just too easy. It solves far too much in one swipe, but the mechanism is too damn convoluted.

>>4048103
They were not fictional. The whole point of winning this game isn't explaining that magic do or don't exist. It's to prove that murders were possible by human means alone. Every episode took place in different kakera but they all really happened. Shanon and Kanon remembered previous games in Ep. 4. It doesn't matter if magic was really used as long as GM left enough place for human culprit to exist and followed the "Truth".

If it turns out everything that happened on the gameboard was a 100% fiction then all character development, interactions, love and everything else never happened. Then what the hell was the point of showing this to us? All the characters we know never really existed. They are just a fiction inside a fiction created by a fictional writer. It would mean 3/4 of the whole Umineko never happened.

You all know that Erika and Battler see Kanon and Shannon in the same room several times, right?

>>4048202
Where did you prove this false?
Once again, the red text only clearly refers to the corpses of episode 5, nothing more nothing else.
Don't you think something big like this would have had a bigger impact?

And Erika's presence is stated in red in both episode 5 and 6.

Is it tha hard for poeple to believe that Erika exists, it's somehow confirmed in red too in ep6, she's the 17th person, that was confirmed, she presents HERSELF in red for the last time before dying as the detective and 18th person, but then BeaBato tell her: 17th in red, that's the end, she doesn't destroy herself, nor anything like that, she had lost so she died/end, she was the 17th person confirmedd in red

>>4048192


>A change of the setting of the game would have been stated.

Assuming that we have to be told something like this is the basis for all shell games.

>And it was said in red in episode 6 that she KILLED.
How can someone who doesn't exist kill anyone?

Dunno, too much darkness around 6. But doesn't Shkannon rely on reading the Red in such a way as for there to be loopholes like that?

>>4048193
>I would like to see this Battler confront Battler circa ep4...

That would be interesting.

EP4 Battler would freak out because Beato somehow managed to "trick" him into becoming a sorcerer at some point in the future, while Sorcerer Battler would probably just want to kill him and be done with it

>>4048204
Well what does 17 people, Erika included, mean then?

And Ryuukichi did say that episode 6 would be the episode where those who know the truth would have their theory confirmed.

>>4048229
Shkanon doesn't rely on red. It relies on fantasy.

>>4048229
No.
It's clear, either Erika exists one way or another, or not.
She did exist in episode 5 and 6, it can't be disproved, unless you think the red text is bullshit.

She could even state herself that she was "there" in red, without any problem, and it was in episode 6 too.

>>4048193
EP4 Battler would probably freak out, seeing that he's basically turned into Kinzo, albeit a much more attractive version of Kinzo.

EP6 Battler would be even more sad, because he can see a version of himself that's slightly less crushingly depressed. EP6 Battler would likely also rage a little bit, because he knows that, depending on when in EP4 the other Battler is from, he's either very recently killed Beato or he's taking their time for granted.

Or EP6 Battler would ditch EP4 Battler and go looking for a less dead Beato.

>>4048232

EP4 Battler won't. He RAGES at Beato but he understands her.

Anime Battler on the other hand..

>>4048235

I'm refraining from commenting on episode 6 until it's translated. I think it might be best for most people to do the same unless they're competent enough in moon to make semantic judgments about red text.

>>4048242
It doesn't rely on fantasy, it relies on loopholes in the red text, seeing through the narrative and a bit of imagination.

>>4048211
We know Battler saw them in the same room at the same time in EP5. We don't know what Erika saw, because we're almost never given her perspective.

>>4048254
The understanding is silent.
You cannot see his thoughts here.
Though we only see the 'result' of understanding her in the VN too, not why and what it entails.

>>4048258
No, I mean in this episode, you have to assume that Shannon and Kanon are actually in some sort of love duel that will result in one of their souls being cannibalized by the other to have a basis for ShKannon. Fantasy implies it, and I'm not saying that fantasy is wrong, just that that's where everyone is getting ninety percent of their assumptions.

>>4048257
我こそは来訪者ッ、　六軒島の１８人目の人間ッ！！
Very simple phrase in Japanese, in red, which basically state that she is the 18th people on Rokkenjima.
There's no loophole in it, she could say it easily too.
No semantic there.

>>4048254
>EP4 Battler won't. He RAGES at Beato but he understands her.

EP4 Battler isn't self aware enough. It's only at the end of EP5 that he realizes that he's in love with her, so seeing how he's turned into a mini-clone of Kinzo over her would be a total wtf moment for him.

>>4048253
>Or EP6 Battler would ditch EP4 Battler and go looking for a less dead Beato.

I could see this. If only to tell her he figured out her riddle and that he loves her.

why did this thread have to turn into another Shkanon dicussion thread?

>>4048276
but that's becaus eshe BELIEVED she was the 18th person, red truth is very roundabout and can change, if you've seen 17 poeple on the island, thenn you must be the 18th, based on your assumptions is truth, so it can be elevated to the red truth, but BeaBAto who know the truth tell her
"17th", telling her she was mistaken, that she was the 17th person

>>4048301
Because some people are still stubborn.

>>4048304
Battler BELIEVED he was Asumu's son too. You can't lie with red text.

>>4048206

Then why is there constant mention of "The Witch's Tale" or, I will weave a new "game". You don't weave games, you weave tales. The whole point of Rokkenjima being a closed circle where nothing gets in or gets out is that you can apply any interpretation you want to it.

The fact that there's a game master or story teller supports this. She sets up the pieces, writes out their interactions and creates the murder scenarios. And pieces can't be made to act against their nature. So, all that development you've stated is still possible, is still real.

Hell. Remember Illusion Beato's big speech at EP5? Where she stood up for Natsuhi even if she's a piece? Even if she can just wait for a new game? Pieces still matter, their stories still matter.

And all character development that sticks happens in the Meta World any way, which isn't written. What we usually get on the board are new back stories.

I'd rather Umineko just remain a complicated fantasy love story without actual explanations behind everything.

>>4048276

Okay, then what is this babbeling about 17 people including Erika if she's the 18th person?

>>4048235
If ShKanontrice is really the solution than many people solved Umineko by 2nd episode. That was too easy Ryu.

>>4048304
You can't lie with the red.
When Battler tried to say he was Asumu's son, he stuttered badly and couldn't finish his line.

Didn't happen there with Erika, she said it easily.

>>4048304

You can't lie unknowingly with the red truth otherwise Battler could have admitted to being Ayumu's son

>>4048295
Man, what would EP4 Beato's reaction to this be? What could she say to someone who's literally gone insane because he loves her so much?

...Or would she just say nothing, because she wouldn't be capable of speech under the force of Endless Sorcerer Battler's magic-enhanced flying hug?

>>4048320
he did say it would be obvious if you went back and read it from the beginning. Most people didn't think of Shkanontrice the first time they read it.

>>4048276
she's the personification of Battler's concience if you didnt see this already watch EP 5 again.

Battler as a hobo? hmmmm

>>4047755
>"The only person who can use Kanon's name is Kanon himself."

Easily sidestepped. "That refers to Kanon's real name, Joshua, and not his servant name."

>>4048321
>>4048325
Q: who says Battler really didn't know it inside him and it's in his mind, just forgotten?

>>4048304

It means that someone left the island after Erika arrived.

>>4048334
Furudo Erika had no influence on any of Beato's games before now.
She does not exist in the worlds before this one, nor does she influence them.
Furudo Erika only increases it by one person.
Besides her, the number of people on this island is exactly the same as it was in the previous games.

There is one hole in ShKanontrice theory. There are 18 persons and at the same time 17 people on the island. If Kanon count as person but don't count as human than that makes sense, but then what about Beatrice? If she's a personality same way Kanon is Erika shouldn't be able to say 18 persons in red. Remember that witch counted as human in EVA's red truth.

Yeah you guys aren't even trying anymore.
If you want to destroy ShKanontrice so much, at least come with something a bit more solid.

>>4048339
Naruhobo was sad enough. Umineko with a hobo end will make me forget what happy is. I think I might prefer a hobo end to a happy end.

>>4048327
Battler isn't quite as crazy as everyone thinks. He's just in the angry stage of mourning, and after that is just totally devoted to her and the heart she entrusted him with. Which is why the next game might be interesting, since Bern is being sent in to deliberately expose that heart, with GM privilege.

As for Beato's reaction to an EP6 Battler, she'd laugh at him for crying all over the front of her dress, call him incompetent for taking so long, and then probably cry a little herself.

>>4048356
X = 0
Y = 0
X + Y = 1

Replace x by Kanon, Y by Shannon and add Beatrice as the original.

>>4048347
>Furudo Erika had no influence on any of Beato's games before now.
Neither did Bern. NEXT
>She does not exist in the worlds before this one, nor does she influence them.
(see above)
>Furudo Erika only increases it by one person.
Does it say in a material sense ? no
>Besides her, the number of people on this island is exactly the same as it was in the previous games.
PERFECTO

You know what happened ? Battler started finally using his little gray cells and solve the epitath.

>>4048343

That wasn't the basis of my argument. This was.

My reason for doubting Shkanon.

This is a slightly insane argument. So bear with me.

Let's talk about birth certificates. Even if a person has multiple personas in him, his birth certifciate only contains one name. This is the name recognized by the government and society.

Let us say that Shannon's birth name is Sayo deMaid. That is the name that society recognizes as referring to the unique collection of bones, organs, and meat that is Shannon.

If Kanon shares the unique collection of bones, organs, and meat that is Shannon, how can it be said that Kanon is the only one who can use the name Kanon?

Even if Kanon stands there in front of society, he will not be recognized as Kanon the independent individual, rather he will still be Sayo deMaid, wearing bindings and boys clothes. He has no valid paperwork qualifying him as an independent person.

Even if Kanon exists inside the head of Sayo as an independent being, the body that they both use is identified in the paperwork as Sayo.

Even if the personalities are different, the body is still recognized as Sayo, and it can be said that Sayo shares the name Kanon.

That violates the Red. "The only one who can claim Kanon's name is the person himself!" and "A different person cannot claim his name!"

>>4048380
Trying too hard.
Increase doesn't have lot of meanings you know.

Or how did she kill anyone in episode 6?
It's stated as Battler didn't?

>>4048380
The whole "Erika doesn't exist" theory kind of falls apart when you consider that she murdered at least 5 people in episode 6.

>>4048392
Shannon and Kanon comes from an orphanage controlled by Kinzo.
He definitelly knew about their little problem, forging some paper for Kanon would be easy.

Will people keep trying to derive clues from the last episode even though half of the truths are probably bullshit?

>>4048400
Does Battler see her murder everyone?

I mean Beatrice said she murdered people in 1-4, yet no one believed her.

>>4048392

Basic assumptions in my argument.

The labeling of the body the is turning point for all this, that's why I brought up the example of official paperwork labeling the body as Sayo. It identifies a certain body, as a person.
By assigning and recording a name to something, you validate and confirm it's existence. A sack of bones and meat gains an identity, that sack of bones gains a name. It's why people without names or who don't leave records behind can be said to be "non-existent". It's pretty important. That's why I consider the name "Sayo" as an integral and important part of the sack of bones, and cannot be separated from it.

A person's body is part the a person and vice versa.

>>4048393
I can pull a Shkannon saying that Battler didnt but Erika took control of his body and killed.
Oh boy.

>>4048409
Clues for ShKanontrice are all over every games.
If you talk about the Erika doesn't exist bullshit, well yeah some people just don't know when to stop.

Next it's Battler who will have DID.

>>4048418
Yeah but it's stated in red that ERIKA DID IT.
Or is Erika part of Shannon web of personalities?

>>4048421
too late, Battler's DID is called Erika in ep6

Who is Ep. 6's detective?

>>4048440
COUNTING Erika, this island has only 17 people.
That was the last line of ep6.

>>4048421
see:
>>4048418
>>4048380
>>4048334

>>4048404

Not my argument.

My argument was, since there is only one body, and that body is recognized and recorded as a certain person, even if Kanon claims his name as Kanon for himself, he will be forced to share that name with Sayo, because that body is Sayo, and the body he is using is Sayo's.

Erika certainly has an influence on the murders this time

heck, she decapitated 5 people

復唱要求。　“それは即ち、３人のことである”。
認めようぞ。　そなたと戦人と嘉音で、３人である。
定義確認。　この３人の定義は体の数に等しいと考えていい？　３体が出入
りをしたってことですよね？

Erika, Battler and Kanon are 3 different persons with 3 different bodies, stated in red.

Do we have any idea what Rudolf was trying to tell Battler about his birth? Why did he even wait til the family meeting to tell him if he thought it would lead him to being killed by someone?

>>4048457
so ? she is still there

>>4048506
do you people still believe it was just like that, someone will kill ne is a pretty common phrase, possibly hge was gong to tell him about his mother, what happened 6 years ago with his mother and so on

>>4048495
And that conflicts with Kanon===Shannon? No.
>Erika doesn't exist bullshit
Hey, those are possibly the lines of ATLAS users, for who the line vanished too fast.

>>4048506
Rudolf didn't think he would be killed, he meant it as a metaphor.

Example: A child accidentally smashes the window of their house with a baseball.

"Oh man, my mom is gonna kill me!"

Same context. Rudolf doesn't think he'll be killed, he just means its such a giant issue that he thinks that Battler is going to be completely pissed off at him forever.

You can't deny Erika, otherwise both episode 5 and 6 fall apart, better stop trying.

wait Battler now has DID ? THAT ISLAND IS A FUCKING LUNATIC ASYLUM

>>4048536
No he doesn't. See>>4048495

>>4048530
>>And that conflicts with Kanon===Shannon? No.
Why would it?

>>4048530

But this does.

>>4048392

>>4048506
Probably that Asumu wasn't his mother.

>>4048495
one of them is already dead.....HAI THERE DEDKANNON

>>4048552
It doesn't.
The whole thing about the ShKanontrice theory is that we don't have the definition of "person" really specified.

That's semantic bullshit, basically.

What you are doing is forcing your own definition, too bad the game didn't and you can't say that your definition works for the game.

>>4048531
Then why does he keep using those exact words in each game? Seems out of character for him since he's always joking around otherwise.

Also, why even bring it up at the family meeting? He wants to keep Rosa and Eva happy so they can work together to blackmail Krauss, so why do anything to jeopardise that?

Everyone on Rokkenjima is fucking crazy and should go to a mental asylum
/discuss

>>4048573
Someone one the island know about the baby substitution and is blackmailing him.
Maybe.

>>4048421
All your 'clues' are bullshit.

It won't give away it's own conclusion.

Enjoy your shitty art and plot holes of Lost proportions

>>4048573
>Then why does he keep using those exact words in each game? Seems out of character for him since he's always joking around otherwise.
Because it is a serious issue to him and it's not a joke. His son left him for 6 years because he cheated on Asumu. How do you think his son is going to react when he finds out the same mother isn't actually his mother. Rudolf is obviously scared and Kyrie even notices this in EP 1. He probably thinks that both of them will hate him forever.

And it's not like he tells the family about it, he just wants to tell Battler and Kyrie.

>>4048596
>Lost proportions

Holy shit. Bomb, island, what's next? Time travel? Well, at least so far Umineko's been about overwriting the past with the future rather than Lost's overwriting the future by destroying the past.

>>4048568

Umineko taught me to practice on my semantic bullshit skills. Heh. I just wanted to put that view out there and give people some room to doubt Shkanontrice. But you're right. Until Ryukishi gives us the definition of a person, things won't become clear.

Things might be pointing to Shkanontrice, but at least there's room for doubt.

>>4048615
Forgot the numbers too, why is Ryukishi such a copyfag.

>>4048679
Cause this is the greatest mystery ever told with the highest cast of characters or something.

>>4048645
I can only pray that Shkanontrice is like Erika's revised ep5 theory. Stupid but undeniable and allowed to exist alongside the truth. Unfortunately in Umineko, you lose if you don't come up with a superior theory, which we don't have.

>>4048715

Did we ever discover/guess what that theory was? The red text restriction on body moving has me stumped.

>>4048754
We don't find out sadly. Don't even know what happens after Hideyoshi dies.

inb4 bomb

>>4048645
More like it taught you to steal the few real comments I make in regards to it.

Enjoy not having your own ideas and thinking processes but relying on someone you claim to hate so you can sound intelligent.

Im going to punch Ryu if all this bullcrap is true.

>>4048808

What? I'm sorry if you feel offended man, I am. But I came up with this in another thread and wasn't aware that you made the same argument.

It's nice to share an opinion though.

>>4048873
Oh okay, I forgive you, Anonymous.

Surely there can be some theories that could solve everything without being retarded, right?
Anyone has some?

>>4048917
At this point, I'd accept an equally retarded but viable theory. Battler style.

>>4048917
Very topical brain parasites would work.

But guys, the batbeato couple is still alive.

>>4048917
The other theories that were flying around were pretty much destroyed in place of Shkannon, so until EP7 throws more bullshit at us, we're stuck with Shkannon with a light chance of Kyrie culprit.

I give up......im a DID believer now

>>4049047
One more to the list.
Soon enough nobody will be able to escape from the truth.

I hope that the multiple personalities theory is bullshit because at this rate Shannon will have 16 personalities.

>>4049122
Shannon had killed kinzo and servants before that time and blew up the boat from afar.
The events we see is her personalities dying out in internal conflict while she becomes more insane/sane.
Ep3 is about caving mentally to what Eva told her before these events and thus the weird mix if Evatrice is what survives and adopts her position and raises Ange.

I'm on the fence on Shkanon, personally. Other than how much of a cop-out it is in terms to answers, it's not very emotionally fulfilling. And I'm not talking about shipping, although that's also a minus when it's coming from the same guy who preaches love between the author and reader.

Give me a Shkanon/trice end where all personas are happy, and I won't care. Leaving the alternate personas to rot on the other hand would be needlessly cruel. Realistic, yes. But very fucking cruel after we've gotten six episodes to get acquainted and learn more about their inner psyche.

>>4049166
Foursome end. That's why R07 is trolling virgins.

ITT we ignore what was stated in the first game

>>4049185
Doesn't change the fact that there is a killer who impersonate Beatrice.
And who is doing it because of some sin he has.
And who know about his love for busty blond and his english.

>>4049208

But that doesn't explain why Meta Beatrice seems to feel the same way, among other things. People are too focused on current, very heavily anti-fantasy theories, trying to find direct equivalents for everything that happens in fantasy. Umineko is not about an LSD trip.

>>4049232
>>Umineko is not about an LSD trip
No, it's a fanfiction.
From some bitch called Au Au.

>>4049185
>>4049196
It was so nice when I had thought that meant she was the game. Now she's just a mere, single person. Not just any person but ShKanon.

>>4049254
Your beloved Beatrice is a conceptual existence, housed within an unstable servantmaid who is in love with some goofy faggot, and plays a game of pretend with some boring dyke.

Can't sadfrog hard enough.