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the kid was... Shiki

>>4040786
So there's another Shiki besides Shiki and SHIKI?

I'm even more confused now than I was before. Just how many Shikis are there?

I think the more important question is where is Tsukihime 2. Where is it. Also what is your favorite food.

>>4040849
Maybe after the Tsukihime remake.

>>4040831
it was meta Shiki

>>4040831

Grand total of about 8, but only 3 matter to Tsukihime.

1. Tohno Shiki, main character.
2. Tohno SHIKI, Evil vampire foster brother
3. Nanaya Shiki, nightmare of the main character's true form

Note that there's like 3 Nanaya Shikis from the Melty Blood series, and 3 variants of a different character called Ryougi Shiki.

>>4040831
NO, it was Shiki's repressed memories from his childhood. The ones from the time Hisui was trying to cheer him up and play with him, all the memories of him prior to getting gutted and his REAL family.

>>4040869
it isn't nightmare nanaya shiki though its just normal nanaya in ciel's route

>>4040831
Nyanyaya.

>>4040869
There is no nightmare Shiki, it's Shiki(him), SHIKI(step-brother), and Roa that you are talking about. He was talking about his memories that were sealed by his step father.

>>4040879
>>4040910

Repressed memories = Nanaya.

You're thinking too hard about it.
It's been a while since I read it, but I'm pretty sure it's just something like his conscious, telling him to stay asleep because he might wake up as a cripple.

I think it was something like this.

It was...Director of studio DEEN.
Enjoy your Tsukihime season 2 by DEEN.


Evil laugh.

PLEASE SUPPRESS ROA IN MY ASS SHIKI

This shit is getting out of hand.

How many Shikis could Shiki SHIKI if Shiki Nanaya'd Shiki? (in b4 the answer is also Shiki.)

>>4040983
The answer is Ryougi

>>4040983

Satsujinki, of course.

>>4040983
The answer is Nasu. It's obvious.

>>4041005
>>4041006
>>4041027

>>4040983
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>>4041006
Don't forget fake Shiki.

There's really only four Shikis.

Tohno Shiki, Nanaya, Ryougi, and SHIKI.

Ryougi and Tohno only ever cross paths in a one off fighting game, and SHIKI is pretty much completely ignored except for the Akiha, Hisui, and Kohaku routes.

So there's really only Nanaya and Tohno. Sure there's like four variations of Nanaya, but they're all basically the same person.

Don't forget about VOID-Shiki.

>>4041047
But the entire point of fake Shiki is he isn't a Shiki. He's just some random guy.

>>4041071
Even if they have the ALMIGHTY POWERS OF THE VOID, CANTALOPUE, they're still just Shiki.

>>4041063

There's 3 versions of Ryougi. First, Second (male) and Third (Void) personalities.

>>4041063
>SHIKI is pretty much completely ignored
Isn't it sad, SHIKI?

>>4041087
But they're still Ryougi, she just has a mental illness.

Isn't it sad, Ryougi? I think they have medication for it, Ryougi.

>>4041104

>>4041104

We need more Shiki in FSN.
I want to SHIKI while sleeping, SHIKI while playing football, Shiki while fighting for Grail, Shiki after sex with Tohsaka, Shiki between Iliya's legs, Anal Shiki with Rider, Footshiki with Taiga, etc.

So, let's see if I've got this straight. There's this guy, called Shiki. Except he's not really Shiki, because the real Shiki was SHIKI who killed Shiki and then Shiki took SHIKI's place because SHIKI's father killed him, and Shiki didn't really die after all.

Except SHIKI didn't really die, so then he got obsessed with killing Shiki. Meanwhile, Shiki got linked to SHIKI through mystical magical bullshit and then SHIKI's memories started flowing into Shiki.

And then Shiki got the best eyes ever. Except not, because they give him migrane headaches. And insanity.

And there's this other Shiki, who is Shiki's repressed memories called Nanaya, who doesn't really exist at all, but Shiki needed to create another Shiki to deal with his trauma or something.

So in the end, Shiki kills SHIKI and Nanaya never existed in the first place, so he stops being a delusion, and Shiki resolves to be himself, which is Shiki. Except SHIKI wasn't SHIKI at the time, he was Roa.

And then somewhere along the line, Ryougi, who there are also three of, but each one is a different personality, exists. She/he/whatever-the-fuck-a-void-is, is important in some way I have no idea about yet.

...Is that the gist of it?

>>4041006

Wait, who the fuck is that?

You know what, I don't care anymore. I'm sure that somewhere in Nasu's twisted skull this all makes sense, but it's a little over my head. Long story short, Shiki is Shiki. Unless Inversion Impulse happens.

Or something.

My head hurts.

>>4041325
Fascinating.

>>4041325
It's actually all pretty simple, I don't see what's the headache is about.

>>4041325

>And there's this other Shiki, who is Shiki's repressed memories called Nanaya, who doesn't really exist at all, but Shiki needed to create another Shiki to deal with his trauma or something.

It's more like, "this is who Shiki really is, Tohno Shiki is a mask over this person".

>And then somewhere along the line, Ryougi, who there are also three of, but each one is a different personality, exists. She/he/whatever-the-fuck-a-void-is, is important in some way I have no idea about yet.

She's in a separate series. She also has the instadeath eyes of badassery, except she doesn't get headaches OR insanity.
Also the Void is everything and nothing.

>Wait, who the fuck is that?

Satsujinki is just a future version of Tohno Shiki.

List of Shikis!

Tohno Shiki (later Satsujinki)
Tohno SHIKI/Roa #17
Nanaya Shiki - Bloodline memory (does not really exist except in Tohno Shiki)
Nanaya Shiki - Nightmare/TATARI 2 (born from memory, haunts Tohno Shiki)
Nanaya Shiki - TATARI 1/Wallachia (born from rumors)
Nanaya Shiki - TATARI 3 (born from rumors)
Ryougi Shiki
Ryougi Shiki - 2 (Male)
Ryougi Shiki - 3 Void/Akasha

>>4041428
We just need one more.

There is no void Shiki

But wait.

If the Shiki from the memories was SHIKI, and Nanaya is the real personality of Shiki...

Who was phone?

>>4041442

Shirou, duh.

>And then Shiki was Shiki

Shiki = Kubo

Discuss.

>>4041449
Well, that makes everything clear up.

Except this. I still have no idea what is happening in this image, and I'm not sure I want to.

>>4041440

How about Shiki Eiki?

>>4041462
"I finally understand it. These eyes of mine aren't my real strength. What I'm getting my ability to fight from isn't a mystic power. My strength... what it really comes from is...

The Heart."

Shiki = Mary Sue

Shiki is given too much credit in Tsukihime. His mystic eyes of death perseption can see the "death" of anyone. All he has to do is pierce them and that will realize them, no strings attached and no defence.

He's given too much credit because he never actually encountered someone immortal. No death to perceive means no dots to pierce. Shiki never actually met his match yet.

>>4041562

Well, there IS nobody immortal in the Nasuverse, other than the Aristoteles.

>>4041562

What? Yes he has. He looked right at the TATARI and his reaction was basically "oh. fuck. nolines."
He wasn't able to kill him until Arcueid pulled plot out of her ass.

>>4041562
Shiki fights Nanaya in his dreams a couple times in KT, and gets his head ripped off. Does this count?

>>4041584

>Arcueid pulled plot out of her ass.

This happens way too often

>>4041562
>no strings attached

He will eventually become blind and/or die.

>>4041626

And if he looks at the wrong thing his head will fucking explode.

Pretty tight string attached there.

Wait, IIRC there were 4 Ryougi shiki personas

-F. Ryougi Shiki (Pre-accident)
-M. Ryougi Shiki (Pre-accident)
-Void Shiki (Makes an appearance in KnK 5 fighting Souren)
-Ryougi Shiki (Post-accident)

>>4041562
You obviouslt haven't played Kohaku route where he is bouncing off of walls like spiderman.

>>4041639
The first and the last are the same.

>>4041639

>-F. Ryougi Shiki (Pre-accident)
>-Ryougi Shiki (Post-accident)

Generally considered the same person.

>>4041569
Aristotles aren't really immortal themselves though. Enough brute force and they'll just die anyway even though they can't be killed.

>>4041473

>>4041428
>Nanaya Shiki - TATARI 3 (born from rumors)

This is probably the weirdest one. His continued existence is due to the power of Tatari within White Len. White Len's continued existence is dependent on receiving mana from Shiki, who she's taken as her master.

So they're both keeping each other in existance.

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>>4041562

Wut?

Ok first off Shiki does not just cut their death he cuts their EXISTENCE imprinted on the world.

Arcueid is practically immortal, Shiki just cut her up and didn't stab her dot. If the full moon was up he couldn't do anything to her.

Shiki can only cut certain things that he can comprehend. ORT and aristotles are mostly incomprehensible.

>>4042156
Tohno Shiki cuts out the gap between something's current existence and its end. If it has no end, then there is nothing for him to cut.

It's Ryougi Shiki who cuts off their beginning, and thus can kill things that cannot be killed. Although, if someone somehow never began, she'd be unable to kill that.

>>4042173
>>Tohno Shiki cuts out the gap between something's current existence and its end. If it has no end, then there is nothing for him to cut.

Im not sure about that interpretation, but Im not saying you're wrong.

I was more under the impression that Shiki is wiping out their existence itself. He's not removing any gaps, he is erasing the metaphysical idea of the person/thing existing.

I should replay Tsukihime.

>>4042156
Arcueid can die. It's just that the potential for her to die during a full moon goes to practically nothing. Therefore, no lines that can really be cut. During the day, she can be chopped up easily.

>>4041584
TATARI, the phenomenon, has two definite ends: the end of Zepia's contract at the return of the Crimson Moon, or the absolute termination of the human race.

Shiki can't kill a phenomenon. It's like trying to kill love. You can't do it. But love dies when the last human does.

It's pretty simple, guys, you just obfuscate everything to huge levels.

>>4042173
While their eyes are different, the actual end result is basically the same. Things that have no concept of death won't show up to Ryougi any more than they will to Tohno, and in fact it's easier to hide things from her eyes than it is from his.

>It's Ryougi Shiki who cuts off their beginning, and thus can kill things that cannot be killed. Although, if someone somehow never began, she'd be unable to kill that.
Are you on crack? Where does it say that

>>4042651
Ryougi's target IS "origins", but the extent of her abilities is questionable. Much of her supposed power is derived largely from her BRAGGING and not things that she actually did. Nonetheless, regardless of the type of eyes an Aristotles won't have a concept of death that they can cut.

Arcueid is, to a degree, an Aristotles - although she has yet to become Archetype Earth, if that is even a possibility for her. As such, her lines disappear at her times of power and she has no concept of death then.

>>4042683
Where does it fucking say her target is origins?

>>4042651
http://www2.ocn.ne.jp/~typemoon/rakkyo/ep.htm

She's connected to the root itself. Able to change something's origin so that the object itself is changed. She's connected to the origin side of Akasha, and not the side which governs the end.

Ryougi cuts something off from its origin, and it falls apart. Nanaya cuts its conceptual existence, and it falls apart. Different ways of seeing things.

>>4042693
Where does that say her target is origins?

SHIKI SHIKI SHIKI SHIKI

>>4042704
Not the person you're replying to, but it's probably Word of God or Character Materials crap that you won't find decent citations for. Most of the in-depth material for Nasuverse is like that.

>>4042704
The fact that she's connected to the root itself, for one. Nanaya doesn't have that kind of connection. He "died" and saw death. He comes to understand what it is through his own psychic ability. Ryougi doesn't have to understand it herself because she's connected to the very point that everything came from. It's instantaneous.

Ryougi has trouble killing old things, especially something as old as Araya. Nanaya kills Nero without trouble or hesitation, and Nero is much older than Araya is.

Also, Nanaya can't offer to "remake" things using his eyes.

>>4042721
In other words made up fan shit am I right?>>4042723
I think you're blathering bullshit you don't understand.

>>4042747
I think you're just trolling without any regard for wanting to understand something.

I'm more likely to be right.

>>4042747
>In other words...
No, not particularly. We know a lot of stuff solely because of side-materials and interviews. For example, Slash Emperor and Bartholomew Lorelei.

>>4042693
>Ryougi cuts something off from its origin, and it falls apart. Nanaya cuts its conceptual existence, and it falls apart. Different ways of seeing things.

Both Ryougi's eyes and Tohno's eyes cut the lifespan of their target.

>“While it’s said that he’s seeing death in form, to be more precise, he isn’t seeing death, but reading the lifespan of the material, the limit of existence that was determined at point of origin.”
-Part of the Chokushi no Magan entry in the Tsukihime Tokuhon

>“The scribble-like lines always flowing around that Ryougi Shiki sees. These are present in any and all things, and by cutting them through blades, it is possible to “cut” an object having these lines. There is no strength to these lines, so no matter what the object it is, it can be killed equally. The death lines are not lines “where the object is cut easily” but the concept of the lifespan of existence taken form. Strictly speaking, this is not taking apart the object by cutting along the lines, but killing the object by cutting its lifespan. It might be easier to understand this as meaning, not physical destruction, but erasing existentially. Shiki is a living being so it’s easier for her to see the lines of the living. This is because she can easily understand the “death of a living being” as another living being. To see the death lines of minerals/concepts, she has to become a mineral, or put her brain on full throttle and “imagine” it. To make things short, she can’t see the end (lines) of an existence beyond human comprehension.”
-Death lines, Rakkyo glossary

>>4042780
>“While it’s said that he’s seeing death in form, to be more precise, he isn’t seeing death, but reading the lifespan of the material, the limit of existence that was determined at point of origin.”

Causes a predestination paradox. Something can't have a "predetermined death" if it can occur early. Also violated by numerous instances of lines changing in availability, number, and thickness.

A tangled mess of ignoring causality and still inferring "fate."

>>4042811
Human perception of time and determination means jack to a n-dimensional perspective

>>4042811
>Something can't have a "predetermined death" if it can occur early.

It's best not to think of it as a predetermined death, but a limit imposed at creation. It is literally that which binds the soul to the material plane.

>Also violated by numerous instances of lines changing in availability, number, and thickness.

Lines can only be seen on something which "can be killed at the present time." It's not that the limit disappears, but that it can no longer be seen by the eyes.

From Fuyuki Wiki:
>And as said in the game, lines cannot be seen on those things that can't be killed (broken) in the present era. The base power of a human user of these eyes work in relation to the limits of the humans of that era. And obviously, as an extension of that, the base power an Earthling user, be it person or object, of these eyes is going to work in relation to how the system of Earth works. Be it rock, stone, salamander, or concept, as long as it was born in this world, there's going to be something fundamentally similar with hairy apes.

>Kinoko: It's not quite so much the eyes, but how (R) Shiki perceives things that has a large effect on her powers. First, Mystic Eyes and brains work as a set. For example, Tohno Shiki from "Tsukihime" normally can't cut concepts like Shiki does, but that's because the specs of the Mystic's Eye's user's brain is different. Tohno Shiki isn't suited in the aspect of recognizing "concepts". (Ryougi) Shiki touched " " and became specialized in the visualization of events, while (Tohno) Shiki became submerged in death and became specialized in killing living things. By the way, Asagami Fujino's Mystic Eyes also work the same way. In her case, she can't twist things that she recognizes as not being twistable.

Both Shikis are connected to the same Akasha and it's the brains that are different not the eyes.

where the fuck are you guys getting these quotes?

>>4042891
Probably Fuyuki Wiki.

>>4042893
link?

>>4042922
GOOGLE. DO YOU KNOW IT, MOTHERFUCKER?

this thread is /a/ tier. terrible.

>>4042747

You haven't even bother to look for OR read any of the character material have you?

You have no leg to stand on.

>>4042944
More than the guy saying "targets origins" which the page he links has nothing about

>>4042952
That was me. Somebody else took up the cause of trying to give you a proper source. I actually don't know for sure, and I don't really care.

>>4040766
Arc's reaction when Shiki insists that he has never killed anyone before?

>>4042993

>>4042959
I read those sources and they denied what you said.

>>4042993

>>4043019
As I said before - I don't know nor care if I was correct. I'm not all that personally familiar with Kara no Kyoukai. I also wasn't the one doing the arguing.

Does anyone have the series of screenshots that eventually led up to Kohaku injecting Shiki with paint?