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because Kyrie and Kanon are evil.

R07 pretty much told us with EP5 that we have all the clues we need to solve the mystery, so he's probably just going to do crazy stuff for 3 episodes and then have a little explanation at the end for people who couldn't figure it out.

>>4027216
what's up with furfur's hair? There's that silly empty space, is her hair tied up and hidden under her hat and those are just two strands of hair?

sounds awesome to me

>>4027225
Ep6 is FULL of hints.

Too bad most of the hints in ep6 are fake and misleading i.e. shkannon

Who or what are furfur and zepar's vessels?

>>4027216
Yes, cause sense has been prevalent before.

>>4027246
Shannon/Kanon

>>4027245
You are just delusional.
All the hints toward ShKanon are true, not even a retard can miss them.

So we still don't know which one of them is a trap?

New sprites where?

>>4027256
Zepar is the trap

>>4027246

Furfur is Shannon.
Zepar (the trap) is Kanon.

Is George gay or Jessica lesbian?

>>4027268

George is gay

# The only one who can claim Kanon's name is the person himself!
# A different person cannot claim his name!

Therefore, Shannon can't be Kanon.

>>4027268
Better question, Shannontrice, Kanontrice, or Beaton?

>>4027273
Kanon is a hermaphrodite

Erika dies at the end.

>>4027273
Or someone can have several name and identities.
Battler blue texted this and managed to hurt Beatrice badly.

>>4027273
Not an issue if no person named Kanon actually existed in the first place.

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>>4027282
Kanon is Cartmans mom.

Personally I think the whole "GEORGE IS GAY" corollary to the Shkannon theory is a bit to hasty.

For example, Kannon could have killed Shannon on the 4th and saved the corpse for one of the twilights. Sort of like with Kinzo. Although this might also require a misdiagnoses by Nanjo, but quite a lot of theories require that any way.

KANON IS THE CULPRIT BATTLER IS HIS LOVER BATTLER COVERS UP FOR KANON AND PLAYS DUMB BECAUSE OF THE FORBIDDEN HOMOLUST

Kinzo is Battlers son.

>>4027339
Battler is Kinzo

Where the fuck was the scene in EP5 which had everyone saying Battler admitted to being gay?

Episode 5 started with Erika accusing Natsuhi and ended up with Battler becoming the Endless Sorcerer and taking over the game.

If Episode 6 starts with Erika forcing Battler to marry her... ENDLESS MINDFUCK END.

Battler was kind of a hilarious failure as GM, honestly. He lost the first twilight to Erika and Bern and ended up being tortured in his own closed room and forced to marry Erika until Moeblob Beatrice came to his rescue.

At the end of EP6, Erika is negated.

In the Extra TIPS, if you execute Meta-Erika, her entire profile goes blank.

At the end of EP6, Erika is negated.

In the post-game TIPS, if you execute Meta-Erika, her entire profile goes blank.

>>4027373

So no Erika in future episodes?

That makes me sad.

>>4027375
normal Beato would be disappoint...

>>4027375
>forced to marry Erika
So instead of feeding him to goats or something Bern thought that a shotgun marriage would be better torture?

>>4027375
Dude, spoilers.

>implying Battler failing is a spoiler.

>>4027398
Blue haired ugly little bitch bound to you?

Honestly 6 sounds kind of shit. After Battler finally got to be a badass in 5, he's suddenly a hideous failure? He says he understands Beato's game but apparently he doesn't.

>>4027411
Battler is still just an enthusiastic retard.

>>4027408
>Implying Erika's cuteness isn't a blessing unto the world

>>4027411
I was left with vaguely disappointed, mixed feelings myself. I thought it started out strong and interesting but sort of fell apart in the second half. The Beatrice/Moeblobtrice and Battler relationship was a muddled mess, too, which made me unhappy.

>>4027411
No, he understands the game, most of his failure comes from his problems with Beatrice IV or Beatrice V or whatever she is.

"DON'T CALL ME FATHER" etc...

>>4027411
Needs more love

>>4027411
Battler finishes every episode as a badass and always becomes completely incompetent at the beginning of the next episode.

>>4027429

Sequel syndrome.

>>4027419
I think I was pretty clear.

>>4027429
Episode 3 especially does not agree with you/

>>4027424
What? The end was the best part of the EP.

>>4027419
>Implying Erika's cuteness is a blessing unto the world

Has anyone uploaded the intro movie to EP6 yet?

>>4027444
Fine, I will revise my theory. Battler finishes every episode as a badass and becomes completely incompetent at the beginning of the next episode, except for episode 3, where he's a loser through the whole thing.

>>4027427
I thought Battler started off with a very interesting and strong character arc--having to come to grips with Beatrice's permanent death and accept Moeblobtrice as a daughter figure to protect what was left of the woman he loved (yes, explicitly said he would try to think of her as a daughter)--but then in the second half it felt like his character really lost direction? After his decision to try to man up and take care of Moeblobtrice, the ending involves him taking her back as a replacement waifu without us getting any insight into his thoughts about it. I'm a shipperfag to the highest degree, and I thought it was creepy and offputting.

Hey guys R07 is nearly able to draw hands now.

>>4027459
Well, the end is about this new moeblob Beatrice almost turning into normal Beato again, after all.

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>>4027476
Next thing you know, he may do varied poses and faces that do not look like he stretched them on Paint.

>>4027492
Same as EP5.

>>4027484
But it doesn't work because even after her powerup moeblob Beato very blatantly still ISN'T the real, old Beatrice Battler loved. I was looking forward to her powerup, but I actually also found it sort of creepy because it wasn't like the real Beato was back--it was like Moeblob had split personalities and kept snapping back and forth between them, and neither were quite "Beato".

>>4027495
Hold up now, lets not get ahead of ourselves.

>>4027496
Really?

>>4027498
She will probably end as normal Beato in the next EP, and that's all.

Beato is a bunch of concepts based on a human being, it's not that suddenly Battler created another person.

>>4027522
I don't know what Ryukishi is going to do next ep. All I know is that in this ep, I as a shipperfag was bewildered when I found myself reading a Beato/Battler wedding scene and feeling more creeped out and offput than anything.

>>4027411

Battler wouldn't be Battler if he wasn't incompetent.

ANGE will revive Beatrice.

>>4027522
This. She's still the same being, she just lacks the experiences that made her what she was because her memory was wiped.

Is streamfag awake yet?

>>4027459
WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT WINCEST!??

YOUR DAUGHTER IS FINE TOO!!

why did Jessica kill Kyrie?

>>4027536
>>>/rs/There_is_no_way_left_to_revive_Beatrice

>>4027554
Super Hanyuu isn't in the meta-world, she's in her own private reality. Every word out of her mouth is a lie.

>>4027549

because jessitrice

>>4027561
>implying red text can lie

>>4027574
Kinzo only exists inside Natsuhi's bed.

>>4027554

Because Beatrice isn't really dead to begin with. She's just scattered like Battler was. There is no way left to revive Beatrice because trying to "revive" her would not bring her back. She needs to be collected.

Red text can be used to mislead. Just like with the Chapel in Ep 2, it seems impossible, but it never states in red that the chapel was actually locked to begin with, even in Ep 4. I think there's another example of this.

>>4027574
If red text can lie then Eva-B's statement isnt worth shit

>>4027577
A living Kinzo can only exist in Natsuhi's bed during the time of the murders, you mean.

>>4027577
Wordplay. Not a lie. U mad

>>4027554
BUT IT WAS NEVER STATED THAT SHE WAS DEAD IS SHE!??

WHAT NOW!? SHE JUST TURN INTO SOME BUTTERFLY IN THE CORNER WAITING FOR BATTLER TO GIVE HER POWER-UP!!!

>>4027588
No, but the point still stands. Super Hanyuu could be using wordplay trickery.

>>4027539
But in the actual episode, they make a huge point discussing how this still makes her more or less a completely different person and that Battler can never get his Beato back. Even Battler forcing himself to stop being a jackass involves him accepting this, and learning to frame the way he sees Moeblob as "Beatrice's daughter".

>>4027582

Or Beatrice isn't dead to begin with, and is just trolling Erika/Bern and further trying to teach Battler some confusing lesson.

>>4027592

Wasn't there one last golden butterfly of her? Then she wasn't "dead" to begin with.

Beatrice is the main character as much as Battler is. Having her mostly out of 2 games in a row is enough already. There's a lot that won't be resolved properly with Beatrice still dead, she needs to come backa t least before the end.

She's back in Ep 7, and Ep 8 is them settling their game then going off into the Sunset.

>>4027532
>I found myself reading a Beato/Battler wedding scene

So wait, Battler marries Moetrice who he views as his daughter? Someone explain.

>>4027539
Sure, all we need to do is rape her a few times, trap her in an island until she kills herself and then rape her again.

>>4027629
The climax involves Erika and Bern staging an Erika-Battler wedding as the ultimate troll to Battler after they defeat him in the game. Moeblobtrice comes to his rescue and after they fight off Erika and Bern, Beatrice x Battler, Jessica x Kanon, and George x Shannon decide to take advantage of the wedding that was already in process. Yeeeeeah.

And yes, Battler's "I'm going to stop being a jackass" character arc involves him accepting the Beatrice he loved is gone forever and he needs to look at Moeblobtrice more like a daughter.

As I said, I didn't really like it.

>>4027636

Battler is such a faggot. The perfect woman is right there AND HE DOESN'T WANT HER

Are there any other theories than Shkannon at this point? I am bored of this shit already. There must be more than one truth even at this point.

>>4027646
Woman?
Where?

>>4027645
Ryuukishi is really fucking depressed isn't he?

It's like I'm in fanfiction.net

>>4027615
Moeblobtrice and Battler are a fighting team at the end and talking about how they'll meet again in future games and shit, so the overwhelming implication is that yes, EP1-5 Beatrice is gone forever and Moeblobtrice will be left to fill her shoes for the rest.

>>4027645
That...is kind of creepy.

Goddammit Ryukishi07, what are you doing.

>>4027646
No bouncy
No blonde.
Troll only.

Final destination.

What did Bern and Au Au talk about at the ???

>>4027656

The name "Featherinne Augustus Aurora" is completely a mary sue-like name.

What happened to the Troll version of Beatrice? Battler didn't like her so he deleted her?

>>4027671
Just like the new character designs.

Furfur looks like that Lambdadelta recolor

>>4027665
>Implying that Bro x Sis is any better than Father x Daughter.

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>>4027645
This is just... gah.

Why is Ryuukishis pulling a Higurashi on us again? Why?

>>4027663
>Moeblobtrice will be left to fill her shoes for the rest

I don't like this idea. I like Moeblobtrice as a character but I don't want her replacing the old Beato, even if she does end up having a personality like her. It just wouldn't be the same.

>>4027679
Pretty sure she and Moeblobtrice merged, unless I misread? Battler was going around creating and breaking Beatrices, but it wasn't the long haired suit Beatrice. Those scenes were fucking horrifying, by the way, because Battler was instructing the replacements on exactly what to say to him and everything.

Looks liek we get some DlanorxErika.

>>4027671
Really? Let's take a look. It is actually a pun.
The kanji for Hanyuu is two characters. The first reads as "feather".
So Feather___ Au______ Au____...
Featherine Augustus Aurora = Hanyuu auau~
Furthermore,
Featherine's real name, Hachijou Touya...
Hachijou can be read as "Yashiro".
Touya can mean "18".
O YA SHI RO = 0 8 4 6 = 18

>>4027656
Didn't his friend just pass away or something?

>>4027694

Yeah, i already knew that. It still sounds retarded.

>>4027698
Yeah, that's probably why this episode is so fucked up.

>>4027690
Jesus Christ. That's disturbing but at the same time I really want to read it.

How long do you think it'll take Witch Hunt to translate? Is EP6 shorter than 5?

>>4027636
I hate Erika but the twintails under that wedding gown is HNNNNNNNNNNNNNG

>>4027689
Even after Moeblobtrice's power up she doesn't feel like the same character as the old Beato at all. Instead it's like she has a split personality between pure troll and pure moeblob and keeps snapping back and forth between them.

>>4027690
The Battler we knew is long gone. I'm incredibly disappoint.

>>4027698

I thought his brother did.

>>4027694

Wow. Good catch. Very clever.

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>>4027694

why arent you translating ep 6 instead of wasting time? GET BACK TO WORK!

>>4027708
The Battler from ep 6 kind of reminds me of something.

>>4027704
It felt decently shorter to me but I can't say with 100% certainty.

>this game

>>4027719
Except VN Battler seems psychotic in EP6.

Anime Battler is just angry all of the time.

>>4027719
No god no...

>>4027656
07 has officially stated that since BT died:
"In the months since that day, I have forgotten the joy of writing".

Now THAT's sad, and pretty much explains why this is happening.

>>4027719
He's not really like anime Battler. Anime Battler was just a shallow angry jerk who didn't give a fuck about Beatrice.

EP6 Battler is someone so devastated by Beatrice's loss, his part in it, and the fact that he never got to tell her that he understood what she was trying to do, that he's going off the deep end.

The scene where he finally pulls it together made me cry like a goddamn baby, by the way, because right before that it's him sitting down alone and pretending everything was like it used to be, with Beatrice, Ronove, Virgilia, Gaap, and the Stakes all trolling him--but he's roleplaying them all, and it's just awful.

Ok. Looking at it now, Umineko 6 is made to be a total mindscrew. It's all clear to me now.

U depressed by this game?

BT died
Umineko is over

>>4027735
That's it. It's the last straw. Fuck this VN, I'm rage-quitting.

>>4027728

I can't really bring myself to be mad at him for the shitfest known as ep 6 now.

>>4027745
Well, again, it's right after that that he finally starts pulling his shit together.

Unfortunately, I think he kind of lost direction as a character after that...

>>4027735
>but he's roleplaying them all, and it's just awful.

HOLY SHIT, man, this is messed up.

I mean, I do understand why he went batshit insane, but it still just...;___;

>>4027645
>And yes, Battler's "I'm going to stop being a jackass" character arc

Looks like DEEN will be making some cuts already...

inb4 '>implying DEEN will animate Chiru'

>>4027752
Yeah, why don't throughly fuck up all the characters in the process why don't you. I don't care if Battler shits lasers after that, all the grimdark and depressing shit is unnecessary. Also, Hanyuu reject. And Shkanon.

Just... fuck this game. I wish I had my angryfanboy.jpg picture here.

>>4027735
Fuck. Really? Now I'm kinda sad...
R07 must be pretty fucked after the death of BT.

Battler psychotic?

HELLO NEW KINZO!!! OH DESIRE!~

>this thread

What /jp/ thought was happening: R07 is a fucking genius, look at the complexity of this plot! I can't wait to be trolled with the real answers!

What was actually happening: lol shkannontrice b0mb

What /jp/ thought was happening: R07 is a fucking genius, look at the complexity of this plot! I can't wait to be trolled with the real answers!

What was actually happening: lol shkannontrice b0mb pony

>>4027787
I don't mind the shkannontrice pony theory, but I don't like the bomb thing.

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>>4027767
Hopefully Episode 7 will be a bit better then! It must be hard to write while you are still in the grieving process.

>>4027386
Troll or true?

If it's true ShKanon can't be true.

>>4027787
I was expecting just awesome shit actually. Instead I got all the characters being throughly fucked with Linkin park as background music. Or at least that's what it feels like.

>>4027787
As much as I would hate that I wasted so much time this would still be fucking hilarious and seal R07's fate as the worst writer of all time.

>>4027795
She was just mindfucked in the same way Battler was mindfucked in episode 4.
Except she had no Ange to save her.

>>4027795
It's true. Shkannon, though, is beaten thoroughly upside the reader's head throughout the episode--not that I don't hope it's all an elaborate troll, because I hate it.

>>4027807
See >>4027728

>>4027826
So what? BT didn't die when he first started writing this. If shkannon and b0mb were the solutions from the beginning then he is fucked forever.

Or maybe he could start writing dramas instead because it's still pretty fucking entertaining.

Dropped

>>4027851
Shkannon and bomb aren't the problem, it's all the stuff with the new Beato.

What's so bad about Shkannon? We've been theorizing about that theory for a long time now.

>>4027735
His devotion to Beatrice is not really understandable for me to be involved in any way, but the romances are all awful.

Evatrice appears to fight George with Worldenddominator.

>>4027877
Well, I didn't mean awful in that sense, I meant awful in the sense of heartbreaking. I liked the jerkass Battler arc.

>>4027876
It ruins Battler/Beato dreams ;_;

>>4027876
It was a joke and it's fucking stupid.

It's like the b0mb theory.

>>4027876
I hate it. There's no real clues that could lead you to that conclusion, only the vague idea that they are close as brother and sister and often together. Like saying Jessica is beatrice because they both have blond hair. Fuck that shit, show me some real evidence.

>>4027899
What's wrong with b0mb?

we just need to start voting up the Siesta sisters so we can get a foursome end.

>>4027883
If it's any consolation, he's a jerkass to Moe Beato. He's mean to her when she fails to act like old Beato.

Actually, that's not consolation, that's even worse. This is going to be one of the most depressing endings ever, I can FEEL it.

>>4027905
It's cheap and a cop out.

>THIS THREAD

>>4027910
Uh, I know. I'm the one who's been posting about the Battler scenes and what bugged me about the direction his character and his relationship with Beatrice went at the end.

Jerkass Battler was pretty much the highlight of the episode for me, honestly.

The word Goku is mentioned and George is seemingly moving around FAST AS HELL to dodge the red web...

>>4027928
Goku? lol

does anybody have the full body sprite for cape battler?

>>4027883
They are badly written too with the train of thought going CHU CHU and ignoring the necessary stops that should make the reader fucking care.
Shannon/George at least got a sense of a build-up.

>>4027919
What if we get a scene between new Beato and old Beato? Like, she visits where old Beato left her impaled body at the end of episode 4?

>>4027808
So Bern will just revive her in next Ep or she's completly gone?

And WTF?! Battler actually won with Bern at the very end?

>>4027928
George is Goku, therefore George can beat everyone else, but not kill them.
Discuss.

BT IS BEATO

RYUKISHI IS BATTLER

NOW THINK ABOUT >>4027735 DIFFERENTLY

George just got "crucified" on the red web.

>>4027971
I am <ok> with that

>>4027971
Good thing we have that ATLAS translation so we can tell what's going on

>>4027949
IT WAS HOMOLUST ALL ALONG

So what's the deal with that new Beato? Who is she, isn't Battler supposed to play her piece? The hell is going on?

Why does everyone forget about Higurashi? After the sixth arc we were told that everything was caused by an alien invasion or a gas explosion which was not what really happened.

>>4028009
Battler did a bunch of shit to try to ressurrect Beato. He ran to meet her all excited and overjoyed, but it was Moeblob Beato instead. Battler raged like a motherfucker.

>>4027940
Bern? BERN? HAHAHAAHAHAHA

Now they're kicking and shit. This scene is awesome.

Also MORTAL STAMPEDE.

>>4028014
yeah instead we got an answer that was just as bullshit

>>4027879

Yay!

>>4028014
Yeah and in episode 6 of Umineko we are "told" at the very end that Erika doesn't exist.
Not that Shannon = Kanon.
There are just hints toward that

And it's over, George's magic kick stabs her.

>>4028028
What?

>>4027940
>Implying Bernkastel really cares about Erika

You people are still discussing Shannon = Kanon?

It's been proven wrong 3 times.

George summons Gaap, pic related.

>>4028073

If you can give us backup in the main Shkannon topic, I would appreciate your help...Namimi...

Replaying parts of earlier episodes to remind me how awesome battler was.

>>4028084

Give me a link then.

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I'm the anon whose using vague poetics and pseudo RPing because I've been discussing Shkannon for more or less 8 hours now.

>>4028042
It's more like she wasn't able to prove her existence and disappeared just like Battler did in Ep. IV. She may still be back.

>>4028111
She better fucking be back.

Hoping for an emotional scene where Battler thinks he's finally thinks he's revived Beato, asking question after question to no avail. Out of the corner of his eye, he sees this Beato mumble something familiar:

"Hey, that's something only the real Beato would know-"

The music stops and then:

":D"

Battler cries tears of joy as Beato tackles him and cackles.

>>4028213
That sounds fucking stupid.

>>4028213
Please yes. ;_;

>>4028227

I DARE TO DREAM.

forgive me slowpoke status, who's BT? Will the quality decline or just go up? I just finished ep5, and im very impressed and satisfied, I'm just looking forward for the next episodes.

-- It is impossible to revive the old Beatrice (red truth)
-- Jessica is in love with Battler and not Kanon. The sin 6 years ago is Jessica related

Accept you inevitable Jessitrice

>>4028239
That you will have corny scenes in this mess of a story?
That sounds like a guarantee.

>>4028261
Umineko has always been cheesy.

>>4028298
Exactly.
Nothing to dream about.

>>4028213
Nothing can revive Beato was said in red.

Enjoy your Umineko without the main star

>>4028313
Well, don't forget she's just scattered like Battler was, and technically one can not revive that which is not dead.

>>4028243
BT was R07's main reader, the person he was writing for. BT died; quality apparently went to shit.

>>4028313
Beatrice is a title, isn't it possible to revive her, just without the Beatrice name and maybe not as a witch?

Battler is the main star of Umineko, get out Beato devs

>>4028319
The only way to revive her is to make her believe again.

But she does not believe again, not even after EP 6.

She will never come back. Enjoy your depressed and douchebag Battler.

what are the ending songs this time?

has the new OP movie been uploaded?

>>4028331
Well, considering how incompetent Battler was in Episode 6, why should she have come back?

WHY DID UMINEKO GO TO ABSOLUTE SHIT IN EP6?
BECAUSE DAI WROTE IT

>>4028331
Wouldn't sending her to Gensokyo fix the belief/faith problem?

>>4028342
I think you mean Ryukishi08, bro.

You cant revive someone who don't even exist.

>>4028323
>BT was R07's main reader, the person he was writing for
Unless they were in a hot gay relationships, this sounds a bit weird. Why would he only write for some random guy of all things?

>>4028357
Because 'that random guy' was his best friend and like a brother to him, apparently.

Why people believe that the EP was shit without even reading it.

Because it's better than EP1 or EP2 by far.

>>4028366
More shit happening=! Better.

up to how many episode planned for the entire thing anyways? ep8 now?

>>4028363
damn, thats harsh all right. I guess I could understand why.

>>4028416
No ones knows. But only to EP7 mentioned so far.

ok, with that crying face Rudolf is too moe to be the murderer

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>>4028357
Ryukishi07 is really a woman.

>>4028464
The only bigger tsundere than Battler is Rudolf.

"I have something important to say, but I don't know if I should say it"
"What is it"
"I'm going to get killed tonight"
"What"
"*leaves and then dies without answers*"

>>4028468
SorcererBattlernotamusedwithhandinpocket.jpg

Ok, Kyrie/Leviathan vs. Jessica/Ronove was pretty nice.

As was George/Gaap vs. Evatrice.

>>4028583
Yeah, Jessica would get along well with Mokou

>>4028319
But nobody can resurrect BT, and BT = BeaTo.

EP6 have pistol duels with duelling pistols.

AWESOME.