/jp/ - Otaku Culture

-Erika marries Golden Sorceror Battler
-Battler raises a new Beato
-Hanyuu is a kakera-trawling witch that writes books about the happenings on Rokkenjima in 1998
-Battler created Beato

...Wat?

/r/ link to the translator

torrent please

BEATOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ;_;

so shes a ghost?

>>4020429
Do it yourself.

I'll be amazed if he mans the fuck up and doesn't bring Beatrice back for some sappy good end, that would just be blatant pandering to the shipping crowd.

>>4020425
seconded, I have torrent on the down from tt

>>4020443
He creates a new moeblob Beatrice who calls him "Honorable Father" for the 6th game.

Someone got a big list of detailed and real spoilers?

>>4020449
As long as it isn't "the" Beatrice, the one who has all her memories and was killed and shit, I can accept that.

So what happened to the guy that was uploading the new BGM?

>>4020412
I was thinking of using Atlas and whatnot but fuck man, that is barely understandable. I'd almost rather wait on Witch-Hunt

Not really brick shitting, and she comes back anyways.

Where the fuck are the list of the spoilers?

It's a pain in the ass to add in all the character names and places and shit into Atlas, WHERE IS MY INSTANT GRATIFICATION.

>>4020468
Well, the meta-world inside the meta-world was quite brick shitting.

>>4020474
Someone uploaded one yesterday

it's a different Beato that Battler made. And he doesn't want her.

>>4020475
>meta-world inside the meta-world

>>4020483
The beggining of EP6 would drive Xzibit mad.

>>4020480
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=rp4vreri
User dictionary0001 - Umineko.MRG <- This?

>>4020483
Yo I put a meta-world in your meta-world so you can be in a meta-world while in a meta-world.

>>4020488

sup dawg we heard you like witches

>>4020470
-Battler, Kyrie, Eva, Rosa and Maria die during the first twilight.
-Including Erika, there's 17 persons on the island, no more no less.
-An explosion happens some time after the end of the game.
-Battler we know is Kyrie son, the son of Asumu was given to Natsuhi, but that baby died.
-Kanon's true name is Joshua.

For the confirmed things, everything else like Shannon = Kanon, etc... is speculation.

>>4020483
it's like when they found out the real world was really inside the matrix

>>4020496
Erika in wedding dress. Is that fake?

>>4020502
No.

>Kanon's true name is Joshua
No wonder he was shy about revealing it.

>>4020502
Legit.

>>4020502
Happens within the first like minute of the game.

>>4020489
>>4020489
Is this it? How do I use it

>>4020489
Might be.
The one yesterday was a MF link.

Moar screencaps?
Especially of Battler and that new character.

All images and spoilers up until this point have been fake.

:)

So, what was with Amakusa in the tea party? I didn't quite get that part.

>>4020521
Which new character?

>>4020526
It would be quite impressive for someone to go to the length of creating an entire fake visual novel.

>>4020533
I wouldn't put that past Ryukishi07.

>>4020529
The one in OP's screencap.

>>4020429

Woah, where's that screencap from? I don't remember that.

>>4020540
>I wouldn't put that past
Not that line again!

So what's the deal with the start anyway? Why is Battler forced to marry Erika, is she going to divorce him and take half his powers because he didn't make a prenup?

>>4020565
A delusion of Erika or something.
The opening sequence up until Ange appears didn't make much sense.

>>4020580
Yeah, I keep thinking that wedding scene was some kind of dream.

>>4020565
Erika fantasises about making Battler fall in love with her, and leaving him at the alter, fucking him up.

Or something. Shit makes no sense.

SO FUCKING MOE <3

>>4020594
She's just projecting, so moe.

I want the file to add names and how to do it

>>4020611
One second, let me get the link to the dictionary I uploaded yesterday for atlas.

Erika is the bomb.
She is a kamikaze sent by Kyrie's family

How understandable is it with atlas and the dictionary? Enough to get by? Or are you tearing out hair trying to make sense of that gibberish

>>4020620
http://www.mediafire.com/?myezmcjw1y2
Run the file, then at the bottom their will be a button that says "add words" or some such.
Click that.

Oh god I laughed so hard.

Shortly after episode 6 starts Battler gains memories from his meta self, he breaks down and cries "Beatrice...(sob sob)...Beatrice!!", this promptly causes the rest of the family to go into panic as the ones who know Kinzo is dead now think that Kinzo is possessing Battler.

AMI DOIN IT RIGHT?

>>4020636
Was just about to post that.

>>4020629
It's mostly doable, just a bit fatiguing.

>>4020629
You'll need to add in the names, or sentences including them become nearly unreadable. And then shit like golden land machine translates to El Dorado.

But when you do, it makes some sense.

>>4020636
Fuck yeah ATLAS

What happened with the new Siestas? Did it end up with them just saying their names, and them not appearing at all?

>>4020655
No one on /jp/ has gotten that far yet, I believe.

Okay, I know what Atlas and AGTH is but I've never bothered, so I'd like to give it a go. Can someone explain to a tard how to go about setting it up and using the dictionary you guys made?

>>4020662
They appear during the first few minutes, during Erika's wedding.

>>4020674
You mean Furfur and Zepar?

>>4020674
Are there any screenshots?

>>4020677
they aren't siestas

>>4020669
http://fhcofbrasil.googlepages.com/AGTHGENERALHELP.htm

Any explanation for why Battler is essentially the god of a Kakera where his family are all terribly murdered, without any moral issues? Or should I finish Episode 5 to understand.

>>4020669
hongfire has a detailed guide on everything you could possibly need to know, but after you download them both, you need to make a shortcut of the executable application, then click that, go to properties, and add at the start of the Target: C:\agth\agth.exe /C

That's depressing. I still think he'll pull some crazy shit at the end.

>>4020699
Finish EP5.

He became the territory lord because Beatrice was utterly erased from existence, and Erika became the new lord. She accused Natsuhi of killing everyone, so it was likely she'd continue wrongly accusing until all the riddles were "solved."

>>4020699
Read episode 5.

He figured out the truth, and is now fucking about with Erika and Bern.

Ryuukishi07 is basically thinking "Shit, even Battler solved it, you should have solved it by now", so all the arcs after episode 5 are just going to be batshit insane trolls, with a few clues here and there.

>Battler we know is Kyrie son, the son of Asumu was given to Natsuhi, but that baby died.

The fuck, so it really was that obvious? Well, not the later part I guess.

>>4020699
Battler is coming off as a little creepy in general in this episode, but it's really heartbreaking. He breaks down crying at Moeblob Beato and hugs her while bawwwing about how he couldn't solve Beatrice's mystery in time.

Shortly after he starts raging and punches Genji and shit because moeblob Beato isn't "his Beato" and he demands to know why he can't revive her.

>>4020757
(from memory)
"Who are you?"
"Eh? I... I'm Beatrice. I was created by you, Father..."
"Wrong. Who the hell are you?"

TRAUMATIZED BATTLER WHO LOST HIS WAIFU IS KIND OF A DICK

There's like 3 torrents floating around, anyone got a link to the real one?

>>4020773
This, please

liberated liberater.
Holy fuck.

>>4020773
Just go to TokyoTosho and type in Dawn, it's the 1.6gig one.

>>4020781
When does that play?

>>4020757
Then battler was kinzo.

>>4020757
>Shortly after he starts raging and punches Genji and shit because moeblob Beato isn't "his Beato" and he demands to know why he can't revive her.
>he starts raging and punches Genji

FUCK YEAH!

>>4020773
http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=106483

>>4020795
Genji is the bronove of kinzo.
Fuck you man.

>>4020795
"What's that supposed to mean!? I'm the Game Master, aren't I!? Why can't I revive Beato!?"

And raging about how the moeblob Beato is completely wrong, how he hates how she calls him "Father", the real Beato was funnier and more energetic...

So how are the colorful new characters?

Does EP6 overwrites EP5?

>>4020784
>>4020805
Thanks guys

>>4020815
too colorful

>>4020745

I know about that. But even if Battler is the GM, shouldn't he still not enjoy the idea of being the GM in a game where he kills his family?

So, Battler really became Kinzo 2, spamming "BEATOOOOOO, WHY DO YOU FORSAKE ME BEATOOOOO". Good to see old theories that felt obvious... were obvious.

>>4020811

That's really mean. I feel bad for moeblob Beatrice. It's not her fault.

>>4020784
Thanks!

>>4020830
But he knows he is not the one killing them so it's awright.
Also as soon as he got the ability to manipulate the board, Piece Battler dies in first twilight lmao.

>>4020849
Moeblob Beatrice is a real sweetheart. When Battler is sobbing about how he solved Beatrice's mystery but wasn't able to show her, she says "But I'm right here... I haven't disappeared."

Battler comes off as a complete dick to her. But it's heartbreaking because you understand where he's coming from, too. He's lost the woman he loved and it was his fault and he's having to find out he can never fix it or get it back.

>>4020830
All he cares about now is reviving Beato, he thinks he can bring her back if he manages to prove the "Illusion of The Witch" is real.

So now basically, Battler is where Beatrice was in eps 1-4, and Erika has taken over as Battler.

We all know normal Battler will be back by next episode?
Right...?

>>4020870
>he only cares about Beato
>not about his family

Holy fuck Battler has now become Kinzo guys.

>>4020880
Lol no. He jumped off the slippery slope.

For anyone who's read so far what's Ange's part in the story? Is she alive again or are they memories from 98?

Most of the spoilers I've read don't really mention Ange at all.

>>4020886
He'll just crawl it back up.
After all excepting witches could be likened to a slippery slope and he came back from that.
;_;

>>4020892
She became hamburgers

One of the hamburgers got eaten by adult Hanyuu, and Ange is now living inside her mind.

>>4020892
She's in 1998, and so far she's mostly there for Aurora to exposit at.

>>4020892
Ange doesn't really appear much in this episode at all. Definietly not as much as in EP 4.

>>4020882
I'm okay with that.

>>4020892
Alive again.
Reveals that Hanyuu "made" Episode 3-6 Bottles or something and Ange is reading it aloud to her.

so is this new horned woman actually named Hanyuu?

>>4020859
ROFLMAO XD

>>4020882
It seems to be meta ange who was revived by Hanyuu.

>>4020908
>Reveals that Hanyuu "made" Episode 3

What? But, isn't Ange's timeline take place after EP3?

Is this Featherine or whatever really Hanyuu, or hasn't it been confirmed yet?

>>4020916
No. The horned woman is not Hanyuu. Those things on her head aren't even horns.

>>4020882
Battler is goldsmith.

>>4020931
I don't know, the whole sequence made little to no sense via Atlas. But they said something about making the message bottles of 3-6.

>>4020908
She doesn't make EP 3-6, she only wrote the bottled letters for them. EP 1-2 were the ones written and signed by Maria.

>>4020931
wrong.Ange timeline is real and occured after the real tragedy happened which is not based on any of these episodes.

>>4020947
As stated in episode 4, there were several message bottles found, claiming to be from Maria, sent on that weekend.

Turns out Hanyuu-tits wrote most of them.

>>4020916
Her name is Fezuline Augustus Aurora, or something like that.

>>4020955
I got that much.

All of these episodes are actually a bunch of novels made from various fantasy authors.It is like non fiction recollection of the actual tragedy.We could say game master are the personas of those fantasy authors.

>>4020953
The real tragedy. The fuck.

>>4020815
So which one is male? Which is female?

It's stated in Fetherine Hauu~Hauu~'s profile that she once played a famous witches game.

She fought Lambda in Higurashi, then Bern took over half way through, maybe? Kinda like what's happened with Battler, Beatrice and Bern now.

>>4020966
I wouldn't put it past Ryukishi

Atlas is an amazing piece of translation software.

>>4020983
Accurate depiction of /jp/ last night.

>>4020966
Yeah, that's like the Legend of Zelda. Same tale, different ways to tell it.

I'd still her horns

God this episode is so depressing.

In b4 doujinshis of Battler raping Moeblob Beatrice out of frustration.

>>4020985

LINK TO STREAM PLEASE.

So, does anyone do anything that upstages Episode 5, or is it all depressing melodrama?

>>4021007
It ended, he's going again tomorrow.

So, basically, EPs 1-6 have all been fake stories, right? Does that include the Metas?

>>4021018
All we know is depressing melodrama.

Which is disappointing because I was expeting Battler kicking ass and killing people, not whimpering about how Beato is not coming back and lashing out at everyone around him.

>>4020975
There's still no real proof that the Bern from Umineko is the same as Frederica in Higurashi, unless something has been said in a TIPS somewhere.

>>4021035
I don't think anyone is quite sure of what happening anymore to be quite honest.

Needs porn of her now.

>lg_bonw_m_size.ogg

Is this the ED?

>>4021035
iirc from the stream, 1 & 2 are legit. 3-4 are questionable. Not sure if Featherine had anything to do with it. It was said she was writing those stories

>>4021018
Battler creates Beatos but none of them have what he's looking for (free will i'm guessing).
Battler slaps Genji
Kanon slaps Shannon
& Hanyuu does whatever i'm not sure.

I heard Battler is a huge troll in this though...

>>4021035
The meta worlds were never real to begin with, neither is half the stuff (maybe more?) you see in each episode.

>>4021040
Bern was born from Rika's struggle, but they are two diferent entities.

So why did Hanyuu 2.0 write those letters? Just to be a dick? Jesus everyone caught the jerk virus this Episode.

>>4021043

>her

YOU WILL NEVER KNOW, SCHRODINGER'S TRAP.

>>4021060
Hanyuu mentions something about "internet witch hunters", he thinks he is Hanyuu.

>>4020972
Eyecancer demon Furfur = Shannon, trap demon Zephar = Kanon.

So, who wants to bet people will still deny that Battler/Beatrice is canon after all this?

>>4021070
>Internet witch hunters.

Who did what now?

>>4021038
So accurate depiction of what we know?

>>4021080
I deny it.

Beato is never coming back ;_;

Swe get moe~ beato and troll beato. What's virgilia got to say about this?

>>4021082
Her job is to write down the events on the island or something & she's involved with people writting theories online or i have no idea.
I only have a vague idea.

>>4021099
She couldn't be happier.

>>4021090
Better yet, Beatrice never existed in the first place. This whole game was her trying to somehow try and to exist, that is her victory condition and why that condition is absolutely impossible.

>>4021099
Aren't they both moe though?

>>4021099
Speaking of her, am I the only one who's a bit weirded out by how different her role in every game has been?

Episode 3: LOLOL I TROLLED YOU HARD
Episode 4: Comic relief
Episode 5: SUDDEN SERIOUS MODE ONLINE

>>4020757
>>4020757

OH shit, delicious yandere crazy Battler became a reality. Though all the Beatos in general break my heart.

>>4021135
Well, that's even more depressing than anything else I've heard in any of these threads today.

Well, let me kick down like this, yo.
If Shannon is Kanon is canon, then Jessica being a culprit or Beatrice is very likely.

I found episode 5 beatrice extremely moe.

>>4021090

He'll never get to say this to her will he? ;_;

>>4021141
Also, mackerel.

>>4021135
Seems reasonable. You'll get a lot of hate from the shippers though.

someone post the fake Renon screenshot

>>4021135

Damn.

>>4021163
Battler could always give Bern the middle finger and make the game go on forever purposefuly so Beato at least partially exists in the meta world.

>>4021163

I'm a shipper and not hating. It's tragic, which is what I expected her story to be.

>>4021135

OH NO THINGS SEEM DARK AND GLOOMY NOW! MAN IT SUCKS THAT THERE AREN'T ONE TO TWO EPISODES LEFT AMIRITE?

Link to thread where the first EP6 spoilers came out? I want to see everyone's reactions.

>>4021196
It's everyone sobbing & woman beating and generally being miserable, Ange is the happiest one for a change.
Please tell me Kinzo turns up at some point.

>>4021203
There were like 15 of them.

>>4021182
But it would never be the real Beato, seeing as she never existed in the first place.
Battler resisting like that probably entertains Bern, just what she wants. It's impossible to displease Bern, because everything relieves her boredom.

羽入
Hanyuu
羽 ha "feather, wing"
入 nyuu "in, enter"

Feather + in =

フェザリーヌ・アウグストゥス・アウローラ
Featherinne Augustus Aurora

FEATHERrINne AUgustus AUrora

OH RYUKISHI-CAKES

>>4021194
>>4021149
>>4021163
>>4021173
How WASN'T that your first theory of Beatrice!? Am I that weird that that has always seemed like the most logical reasoning why she can't fucking win as stated by both herself and the other witches?

>>4021210
Kinzo is dead from the beginning, Battler is the new Kinzo.

>>4021210
In the 2-4 chapters that were streamed, Kinzo didn't show up. You could Battler in his (weird meta-world like version) study, but Kinzo was listed as dead in the Tips.

>>4021210
>Ange is the happiest

>>4021229
>>4021233
I know he's dead but surely, somehow, god damn it's such a miserable game.

>>4021203
Allow me to summarize about 10 threads worth of spoilers and reactions into one gif.

>>4021229
Kinzo is Battler from the future: DISCUS

>>4021233
the Tips can not be trusted.

>>4021223
Stop blowing my mind like that. As if the horns weren't enough.

>>4021226
I hate Beatrice so I found it rather hilarious.

>>4021241
That person isn't trolling, Ange really did seem to be the happiest of all the characters shown so far. God damn.

>>4021248
Surprisingly Accurate.
Also best line I saw last night:
Everything goes to hell
Everyone goes batshit insane.

OST for this episode is still awesome, especially gc-29. Thanks again to the anon that uploaded it.

>>4021226

Who cares if it was the most logical? People grew to love her and it's depressing as fuck when you are faced with the reality.

>>4021223
Oh Ryuukishi...

>>4021226
Because the 6 years ago thing heavily implies that some sort of Beato existed 6 years ago.

>>4021223
Don't forget the AUgustus AUrora

>>4021274

mind posting a link? i missed it earlier

>>4021295
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=POINCLAP

>>4021274
I've probably just scrolled past it, but... Link please?

>>4021284
Imaginary friends: MYSTERY SOLVED.

>>4021304
thanks

>>4021305
Right above you, man.

>>4021284

Whoever it is, I would guess it isn't the one Battler would want either.

What about the sprites?

I need to fap to battler!cape sprites

>>4021315
Wow, posts must have been a few seconds apart. How's that for irony?

Well, if nothing else, Episode 6's OST is right up there with 4's.

>>4021223

>>4021321
As I said, imaginary friends. Maria has them and they exist in the meta world, so why can't Battler.

>>4021304
..Vocal of Usan no Kaori is on there...holy shit it's in the game.

>>4021193
Sup Sen-ka.

I hate this shit. I don't care if they end up together, I just want a happy ending for both Beato and Battler. I don't want a "lol Battler becomes Kinzo" or "Battler never ends the game and never gets Beato back" end.

Kinzo does not show up in this episode AT ALL

not even in the Tea Party or ???

Hasn't Ryuucakes said in a blog/interview that he's not going to give us a proper ending, just a ****load of clues, or was that a troll?

>>4021350
I don't think anyone has gotten that far yet.

I'm shocked that Battler hasn't summoned some of his own furniture yet.

I want a moemoe furniture version of Descartes.

>>4021323
Battler!Cape is really awkward though. I mean... they just pasted it over him

>>4021295
Trollkastel uploaded new tracks on Youtube.

>>4021329
320kp mp3 downloads yet?

>>4021357
I think he wouldn't explain everything, but no ending I doubt...

>>4021360
His furniture should be Hempel and Schroedinger.

I noticed there's a piece version of Hanyuutits in the sprites folder, when does she show up in this?

>>4021350

Thank god. Don't get me wrong, I always liked Kinzo's character. Ever since Episode 1 he was my favorite. But he's been confirmed dead since Episode 4. The bringing him back for Episode 5 shit was too much already (although the bit with Eva + the other saying that him jumping out the window wouldn't surprise them was probably my favorite part). Bringing him back AGAIN for Episode 6 would be asinine.

You guys have to remember that Battler and every characters in the gameboard are fictional and created by fake fantasy authors.In this episode, Aurora and Ange was seen reading Episode 6 like us.

>>4021348

I don't what you shippers are so worrired about

Battler x Beatrice was meta from the start, so anything can happen to bring them together

Unless you're one of the delusional people who think Beatrice should has a real world representation that falls in love with real world Battler

>>4021348
I can't believe you called me Senka. That hurts. Senka would think Battler was crying to moeblob Beato about Ange, not his Beato.

I was just saying in general I like how it was done Battler loves his Beato and anyone else being Beatrice doesn't change that. Though I don't really buy that she'll never come back.

>>4021360
You mean those two trainwreck design characters aren't his furniture?

>>4021376
Schroedinger is required to be nekomimi.

>>4021381
She shows up like that first.

You now realize this episode is depressing as fuck because of BT.

>>4021381

Second scene in the game. Goes from LOL ERIKA WEDDING to her, Ange, and Amakusa.

I WANT TO BELIEVE

>>4021381

she shows up in Ange's time to explain thing to Ange. She's the author of the episode 3 to 6 letters and by extention the episode itself.

Whoever proposed the letter = episode theory was right

>>4021381
1998

>>4021404
More like LOL ERIKA WEDDING to Someone looked in a room, then Juuza laughing in katakana and sounding like Battler.
>>4021399
inb4 BT is the culprit.

>>4021348
From what we know, at best meta Beatrice will come back and spend eternity with meta Battler. The idea of a piece Beatrice is becoming less and less valid in light of EP6. I can't imagine we won't see real meta at least once more, though.

Actually, this episode is quite short and fast.. it's as if R07 just wanted to get things done

I won't be surprised if episode 7 is the last. It seems he lost interest after his prime audience (BT) died

>>4021376
So they'd be Orin and Okuu from Touhou, drawn in Ryuukishi style instead of Zun style?

...Not sure if want...

>>4021387
I want a real Beato, but I don't care if she is or isn't in love with Battler.

Her being real in the meta doesn't count because... well... the meta doesn't really matter to me.

>>4021391
I said Sen-ka because only her goes around saying that she likes Beatrice because she's a tragic villain, but in reality she just hates Beato.

>>4021433
How short is it?

Definitely not as long as episode 3, 4 or 5

My theory is as follows:

Bernkastel has never been referred to as Frederica Bernkastel.

Frederica Bernkastel has stated in her poems in Higurashi that she is not Furude Rika.

However, Bernkastel stated that "nipaa" was something she would have said in her past life or whatever, connecting her to Rika.

Therefore, Bernkastel and Frederica Bernkastel are not the same person.

Fetherine is Frederica Bernkastel.

Fetherine was Bernkastel's "Virgilia" -- the predecessor Bernkastel.

>>4021431
>meta Beatrice will come back and spend eternity with meta Battler.

That would be my perfect ending. I don't really give a shit about piece Battler.

>>4021386
Explain this like your explaining something to a retard because I'm not following here.

>>4021452
Holy crap and 5 was really short.

Why did BT die FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUU

>>4021407
oh law'd lol

>>4021438

Beatrice is the embodiment of love gone horribly long. In other words she is the driving force that makes people kill out of love.

>>4021431
Actually I'd say the longer Beato stays out of meta world the higher her chance to show up in the real world becomes. Rule that long durations of removed important characters will have big reentries.

>>4021421
In b4 Witch hunt's katakana = caps

HI HI HI HI

>>4021459
Hanyuu essentially says to Ange she made up the stories of episode 3-6 in 1998 land.

>>4021357
No need for the ***, we all know what you mean. As for your question, we'll need to wait until EP8 to know for sure. R07 has trolled us a ton already, there's no telling what he's got up his sleeve.

>>4021465

Then she would have to be the 19th person.. which does not exist

>>4021438

I don't think Beato is a villain, but it's pretty obvious her story was always going to be tragic. I just don't get the need to have a piece/real Beato out there. Battler loves meta-Beato, not piece Beato whoever she is.

>>4021433
So THAT's why he began with this B0MB bullshit.

BT ;_;

So does Beatrice exist or not? What have I wasted my time shipping all these years?

>>4021399
"During the several months that passed since that day.
I forgot the joy of writing."
Yep.

>>4021486
urm this B0MB bullshit has been hinted for a long time even before BT death

>>4020496

Shannon = Kanon was proven incorrect in ep 5, when Erika saw them together.

>>4021399
I hope that's not the reason. It would be incredibly bad form, as a writer.

Then again, lol, visual novel author, Stephanie Meyer tier.

>>4021483
She's the 17th person when Erika doesn't exist.

>>4021495
Ryukishi needs to take some of Battler's words to heart then.
Crawl up out of mud, etc.

>>4021499
Thing is ERIKA didn't, Battler did.

>>4021452
How do you know how long it is? Did you already play it?

Let's send some messages to Ryu07 so that he isn't depressed anymore.

>>4021484
Why does meta matter anyway? Magic isn't real. Hell even Virgilia says it in episode 5. Ronove, Gaap, etc are awesome but not real as far as I'm concerned, and Battler will probably leave the meta would once he wins.

>>4021514

Erika assembled all the people in the house together countless times.

>>4021499
Stated in red that there is only 17 people on the island. That is the cemented number too, they didn't give any wiggle room for that.

>>4021494

as her own person? not anymore

episode 6 red spoiler

During episode 6, there are only 17 people on the island including Erika. Kinzo is not in the equation and never makes an appearance. If Beatrice were to exist as person that would mean she is one the residents. Ie: Jessitrice / Kyrietrice / Gohdatrice / ect.

>>4021514
lol go read again. Its actually pretty early in the episode. Erika assemble Everyone in the island in the room. Stated in red.

>>4021519
Meta Battler is dead as a piece though. Just like Ange-Beatrice, he has no world to go back to.

Realistic baw scenario would be that once he solves all the illusions, that world disappears, along with him.

>>4021517
Like Episode 5 was the greatest thing ever?

>>4021499
Just wait to read that scene from episode 6, where there is supposedly a "talk" between Shannon and Kanon. It literally affirms the Shkannon theory. It's probably a troll, but still.

>>4021519

That's a shitty way to look at it, but I guess it's your choice. I don't think that Battler will ever leave meta. His piece will be free to go though.

>>4021530
Why can't piece Beato exist OUTSIDE of the island again?

her not being on the island doesn't mean she doesn't exist.

>>4021468
Does Amakusa having the exact same laugh as Battler have anything to do with anything? Or is that just how R07 portrays a Japanese person laughing?

BUT THEN WHO WAS PHONE?

.....You know, anyone here remember Hansel and Gretel from Black Lagoon?
Well....... Kanon = Shannon might not mean the thing we think it means.

>>4021550
It's because Amakusa is future Battler.

>>4021560
Battler.

>>4021530
Unless the 'story is written' that way. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the only reason Erika was able to be added to the 18, because of what was told in the future? While Erika fell from the boat, she may have wound up on Rokkenjima. But whatever the 'disaster' that took place at the end was, no one was able to confirm it. So sometime in the future, people investigating the murder case, wrote her in their tales.

>>4021549

I think the line about 17 is said on the 2nd day, meaning if she hadn't come by then she's not her own person. Though you never know what will happen . I think everything is coming together too easily.

>>4021549
That's just blatant shipper pandering, but it's possible.

I don't see why Ryukishi would add in that, unless like I just said, he wanted to appease shippers even if his writing fails because of it, since he's still crying with his hand in his pocket over his love BTs departure from this world.

>>4021569
Explain please.

>>4021537
She assembles everyone on the island.
True.
But, my dear Anon, if Shannon = Kanon, I could have everyone assembled and still be missing either Shannon or Kanon.

And thus equivocations fuck us the hell up.

>>4021572
*forgot to add
She was caught up in whatever wiped the family out at the end of each game.

>>4021550
No one ever laughed like Battler except Rudolf once. But again, I really doubt Amakusa is related to the whole thing in any way, he's just Ange's sidekick.

>>4021548
>>4021538
The thing is that Meta isn't real. Magic isn't real. It doesn't matter if Battler wants or not to go back to the real world, if Beato doesn't exist in the real world then she doesn't exist at all and will disappear with all the other fantasy characters and the meta world as soon as the game ends.

>>4021572

Yes exactly.

You know, so far Ange seems surprisingly okay with Battler being all over Beatrice.

>>4021472
No, she wrote them down after spectating them from a higher plane.

>>4021550
Because he is the Archer to Battler's Shirou, d'oh.

So what did Battler promise to six years ago if not a person?

>>4021591
Probably just waiting for the rebound, since she knows Beato won't return.

I'LL HELP YOU FORGET HER, ONII-CHAN

>>4021585
This. Confirmed in Red that she gathered everyone in a room, that doesn't disprove the theory, as one could indeed have "everyone" in a room and still be missing someone...

>>4021591
Because she only minded when she thought that she was evil. I believe she figured out by the end of 4 that Beato was on Battler's said but decided that the best way to win the game was just destroy her along all the other witches.

>>4021591

She's always been okay with it

>>4021615
He did promise a person something. Just not the existence known as Beatrice.

Erika is Nanjo

>>4021615
Telling ya man, twas Jessica.

>>4021619
Actually if you have one person who pretends to be a second person you have both people in raw terms you have both of them. Red means shit.

>>4021570
So then following the Battler = Kinzo theory, Amakusa is teen/young adult Kinzo?
...I'm okay with this.

>>4021588
So every Umineko game is a fictional tale written up by people like Hanyuu-slut

well fuck.

>>4021636
and by breaking this promise...this lead to the creation of Beatrice?

>>4021652

She's not real either, so what's it matter

>>4021652
Possibly, with the exception of EPs 1&2. Those are confirmed to have happened. 3 and onwards are up for debate, at the minute.

>>4021652
Except maybe 1 or 2.

Ok so i actually read this and this is pretty much what happened:
-Battler is the new game master
-Battler remenbers his first encounter with Shannon
-Battler created a bunch of Beatos put he ws disappointed bacause of too much moe not enough trolling
-Natsuhi, Eva, Rosa, Maria and Battler are the sacrificies of the first twilight
-Erika wants to be Battler's waifu
-Everyone dies because of a fucking bomb (exclusive to this episode)
-tea party is filled with a mindfucks
THE END

>>4021675
You forgot the depressing melodrama.

>>4021675
>-Everyone dies because of a fucking bomb (exclusive to this episode)
>exclusive to this episode

Epitaph says otherwise.

>>4021675
And '????' ?

>>4021675
what happen in tea party and ????

>>4021585

Shannon and Kanon are shown standing next to each other.

Also, what clues has there been to suggest Kanon and Shannon are the same person? Knox's rules and shit like that.

>>4021675
There was also something about Lambdadelta being the game's "Manager", or something along those lines. Not sure what that's about, but I'm okay with it.

Is this thread autosaging?

>>4021547
Wait, what? This is a first.
What happens here?

I have a theory, Kinzo is really meta-Battler and Mackerel lady is meta-Beato.

>>4021702
Yes.

>>4021702
>posts 314

yes

New thread then! >>4021723

>>4021702
Someone should make a post linking all the threads we had during the past few hours for archival purpose. There are something like 3000 posts about this.

>>4021687
Epitath says they are killed in a predetermined order.
Thats not what happens when a fucking bomb explodes.

>>4021750

Yes it is, it depends how far you are away from the bomb.

>>4021729
There have been 5 at the very least, but that's only since I got on. Odds are the number is more like 8 to 10-ish.