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B0MB

Most fitting, perhaps
Best, definitely not.

Not allowed under the Knox rules

>>4008999
it is allowed.

I say Kanon = Beatrice. 6 years ago Kanon dressed up as a girl and took Shanon's place, Battler's sin is becoming strait when Battler promised never to change and to stay gay for him.

>>4008990
Everything fit and there is no theory that even come close to disapproving it.
Passes all the red text, knox rules, police investigation and even Ange fail to find anything in 1998.

>>4008999
This, plus it's just a bunch of KINZO SET UP US THE BOMB nonsense.

>>4009009
Back to /a/.

>>4009010

How does a bomb become a witch

>>4009021

>>4009010
I think they would have found the place being destroyed. also if it would pass the 8th and 4th rules would be debatable

>>4008999
Knox's rules are bullshit. When something cannot be explained by known concepts, it would be most reasonable to go for the explanations that has the least contradictions with the established truths. The existence of magic would contradict with our whole worldview, while there's absolutely nothing wrong with the existence of an undiscovered scientific concept. Both theories would perhaps be anti-mystery, but finding a strictly mystery solution was never a victory condition in the first place.

>>4009047
It's just a way to narrow down theories

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the bomb theory, doesn't it go against the whole, 'Had Battler not come this year, murders would not have happened, etc" rec text?

If the place was destroyed by a bomb, wouldnt that been obvious to everyone post 1986? Because in 1998, people still dont know what happened.

>>4009047
but umineko is SUPA META.
Also, there's a better reason why the rules are bullshit - nobody ever said that umineko follows knox's rules. Hell, this was brought up already. So technically, BATTORAAA can just use golden truth and go "I promise, this mystery does not follow knox's 10 commandments!" and everything would be for naught. However, seeing how this golden truth was reached using knox's rules as supplementary guidance, it'd be hypocritical as fuck.

What the fuck is the bomb theory

>>4009047
The rule about "SUPER SCIENCE" exists so that you can't claim stupid shit like that (both reader and writer).

UNIDENTIFIED SCIENTIFIC CONCEPT? MORE LIKE CONVENIENT EXPLANATION THAT NO ONE WILL DESCIPHER, AMIRITE?

It´s just a bullshit theory, even worst than the pony theory.

It also doesnt explain who's the culprit.

>>4009021
Lambdadelta made Beatrice from a b0mb.
Piece Beato can symbolize a lot of things from b0mb user to people that found out about the b0mb.

Some anon even said yesterday that Ep5 Beato is just like Natsuhi or Natsuhi delusion only.

Discuss.

>>4009069

Beatrice is a bomb.

>>4009067
The Chinaman rule already disqualifies Umineko from Decalogue Orthodoxy. USING BOTH INTERPRETATIONS, TO BOOT.

If it's okay to ignore the Knox (that is supplemented by red) why just dont ignore the red?

So battler made the promise to disarm the bomb?

>>4009098
Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.

>>4009091
That's why it's NOT INCLUDED.

>>4009066
>>4009042
"Unfortunate accident"
Pieces of corpses.
Only a jaws remained to identify a dead corpse.
Dead is so gruesome that they assumed everyone to be dead.

All of this point to a b0mb.

>>4009087

Why would Lambda make a bomb a witch. What horrible past could a bomb possible come from that it would get sent back to if they didn't follow orders. How does a bomb fall in love with someone.

Discuss.

So, in other words, someone set us up the bomb?

I absolutely adore the Pony Theory. I contributed to it's development, and I honestly believe that it fully covers everything and has no major holes.

That said, I really fucking hope the bomb theory is true, because that will be fucking hilarious.

Pic unrelated.

>>4009090

Can you be more specific?

>>4009119
I've hated the pony theory from day 1

>>4009113
Bombs are not accidents, you fool.

>>4009070
Exactly, that rule is there specifically so you couldn't pull bullshit like that, which is pretty much what this bomb theory is.

>>4009067
>However, seeing how this golden truth was reached using knox's rules as supplementary guidance, it'd be hypocritical as fuck.

This too.
Knox's rules were introduced in the story for a reason and battler found the truth using these rules too.

>>4009113
The corpses could simply be buried.
Buried corpses -> putrefaction -> bones found -> maria is identified

I see no problems

>>4009113
It'd have to be a LOT of weak bombs that are put on each person, as any descent sized bomb leaves evidence of it being a bomb.

>>4009124
I bet you haven't even read it.
http://archive.easymodo.net/cgi-board.pl/a/thread/24652921
Here's the start of the chain of threads where it was formed. Educate yourself.

>>4009119

They both have nothing to do with each other. I don't get the fights between the two. It's like two extreme ways of thinking. That being said bomb is superior to Jessitrice.

>>4009136
Derp. I was in that thread.

>>4009137
That's because Jessitrice is impossible, and a waste of time.

>>4009137
Everything is superior to Jessitrice.

>>4009113
If they were blown apart in little clumps of flesh, then how is it that their jaws are there conveniently intact for identifying? And if there was an explosion of such size, wouldn't their bodies be all over the island?

>>4009143
I wouldnt put it past ryuukishi

Someone really ought to make an archive or wiki of all these theories. I've been wondering about the specifics of the fucking pony theory for weeks and it's not like you can just google "umineko pony theory" to find it.

>>4009136
Retarded theory.
gb2/a/.

>>4009146
I would.

Ryukishi does really stupid shit regarding the mystery itself, but he wouldn't go so far as to fuck up characterization like that.

>>4009151
Jessica is a shitty character.
Nobody likes shitty characters.
When R07 makes a shitty character in the end the character turns out to be awesome (see satoko).
So, Jessica will be loved at the end, but its impossible for she to be loved as shitty as she is.

Logically, jessitrice.

>>4009166
Jessitrice makes no sense because it would break up canon couples. Including a canon couple that has been drilled to fucking death over and over.

I would be seriously pissed if I sat through 5 hours of Jessica/Kanon angst for nothing.

>>4009010
How the fuck does it pass all the red text rules? Like, the one that Nanjo was killed by another human, who was right in front of him? Also I remember on a few occasions Beato said that nobody was killed by any indirect means like that. (Doesn't apply to all episodes, of course, but the bomb theory implies that it should.) Also, even if it did fit all red text (which id doesn't) it would in effect be making everything besides the red text absolutely meaningless. Yes, a lot of scenes are already unreliable, but that doesn't make them meaningless. Even the pure magic scenes are supposed to symbolize SOMETHING.

>>4009141
Fine. At least you know the theory. A lot of people hate it without knowing much about it.

>>4009137
The Pony Theory isn't some sort of sacred icon. It's just a little bit of fun that /a/ had that many though had a good shot at being true. The theory is more fun than absolutely serious (hence the "Pony" nickname and the making of Advice macros - pic related), and in that way, it's similar to the bomb theory.

For many of us who helped make the Pony Theory, it's been an absolute bag of fun. The discussions, the arguments, the attacks and counter-attacks, the jokes about it, etc... It's been a hell of a time. And in less than 24 hours, it will be confirmed or denied.

Everything we did is for this moment.

Don't take that away from us.

>>4009145
They only found one jaw, it was Maria's.

>>4009175
In b4 there are no canon couples.

Maria is the only person identified from the jaws.
The rest were presumed to be dead.
What it implied the explosion is so big that they didn't even bother searching for any survivors.

The murders mystery only came to light when someone found the message in the bottle.
Whoever wrote it want someone to investigate the case and know that something big will happen and someone that cause the something big to happen will gain from it.

Battler is sleeping with all the men on the island. The women know their men are cheating on them but think it's with the other women, the women are the ones killing everyone out of jealousy. Battler's sin is sleeping with his father, Beatrice is really Kirie.

How many of you believe that Mister 19 is a real character/Battler?

>>4009184
Anyone who would say that is fucking retarded.

>>4009166

Jessitrice will not make anyone love her. She's somewhat popular in her own right and from her relationship with Kanon.

>>4009180
This. Anti-ponyists take it about a hundred times more seriously than actual pony believers. We knew from the beginning it was probably flawed in a few areas and set about attacking it as best we could almost immediately after it was formed.

>>4009180
What's the point of creating a theory that you know is wrong?

>>4009185
Ignoring the fact that LARGE BOMBS is a terrible breach of etiquette, explain the existence of the letters and the recovery of Kinzo's documents.

>>4009200
I think you don't understand the difference between "it has a couple holes and probably isn't 100% accurate" and "it's wrong."

>>4009200
You misunderstand. We don't think the theory is wrong. We think it's right. But if it DOES turn out to be wrong, we won't mind.

Why are you spelling bomb with a zero, it looks really weird.

>>4009214
>>4009210
Well stop getting upset when people say it's shit and point out holes.
There isn't anything wrong with criticizing a theory, that's the only way they get stronger. If you refuse to let that happen, you might as well be off in shipper land.

>>4009219
My beloved witch Beatrice
witch = 0
My beloved 0 Beatrice
MB0B
B0MB

>>4009193

Mister 19 is actually a girl

>>4009197
>>implying jessica is popular

>>4009195
What's wrooooooong anoooooon? Van dine says that there is no love in mystery historys... umineko is a mystery, right?

*cackle*

>>4009224
Oh right, carry on then.

>>4009221
We will as soon as people who try to "point out it's shit" come up with less laughable "counterarguments".

>>4009221
When people attack the pony theory, we refute their arguments and have discussions.

It's the anti-pony-theorists who bitch and whine the most. Look at you. You're insulting me and telling me to go to shipper land. And you accuse us of being upset?

>>4009221
We don't refuse to let it happen. Usually people do make some argument against the holes that are brought up instead of just ignoring them.

The ones who are being stubborn and simple-minded are the ones insisting it's delusional shipper shit and refusing to admit it has an credibility because of that.

>>4009221

I think people only get mad when you fags call it delusions of a shipperfags while calling Beatrice a bomb

>>4009232
Episode 1. Kyrie states that she thinks that romance stories are more interesting than mystery stories.

>>4009232

>Implying that she never scored high in character polls

>>4009224

Wait, is that really the basis of the bomb theory? You guys have to remember that you can't play games like that with a translation.

If there was a huge explosion, then how come everyone was suspecting Eva of murder? I mean, surely a message in a bottle doesn't prove anything. And her simply not being there at the site of the explosion when it went off isn't that weird.

>>4009245
>>Implying that character polls matter (rosa,etc)

>>4009232

She's not unpopular. Just outside the top 10 and she hasn't done shit for ages.

>>4009253
What, you think Rosa isn't popular?

>>4009248
Apparently it was a bunch of people on 2ch that did it with the original japanese text somehow.

>>4009263

Intriguing. I can't imagine how that'd work in Japanese unless they were working off English equivilants as well...

>>4009225
Could a female be doing the phone calls for Mr. 19's sake? Revenge for his sake?

>>4009263
Doesnt look legit to me

So wait, who set up the bomb? Kinzo, or Beatrice, in order to "escape" the island?

It fits.
EP1
Someone shot Natsuhi (lets assumend it is Kanon).
The rest got killed by B0MB.
Golden butterflies symbolize the bomb explosion.

EP2
Goats symbolize the explosion collateral damage.
Rosa and Maria couldn't ran fast enough and died.

EP3
-Someone that is dying killed Nanjo before dying himself
Battler and Eva saw the exploding sun. Remember they have a freaking typhoon and rain going on outside.
Eva killed Battler and hide with fear and paranoia in Kuwadorian then.

EP4
I will kill you now.
I = B0MB

EP5
B0MB will still go off and kill everyone.

>>4009240
Get off your fucking high horse, I don't care about your theory or whoever built it, it doesn't matter what theories you present now because 07 is probably making up shit as he goes. There is no definite outcome as of now, so you might as well wait until the very end.
>>4009243
>>4009242
I guess it could work if Umineko had only remained a romance instead of transitioning into this horrible fucking mess of a mystery. I know you want Battler and Beatrice 2 be 2gethe4evaaaaa, and because 07 can't write romance worth shit, it probably will happen like that. But basing a whole theory on a couple is incredibly ignorant and makes you out to be shipperfaggots who only want romance and ignore mystery.

>>4009272

Was it ever said the baby was a boy? Kinzo's reaction makes me think it was a girl.

So, when should EP6 spoilers start popping up? Sometime tonight?

>>4009300

Oh so butthurt anti-fantasy fag moved to /jp/?

>>4009300
>>Implying umineko story isnt complete already
>>Implying umineko isnt a romance

>>4009300
Acting pretty asspained there, bro.

>>4009300
Oh, okay. So you're just a mysteryfag who's still mad that Ryukishi made fun of you all of EP5.

>>4009307
AH. <Good> point. Didn't think of that. Does this still fit in with the Pony Theory?

>everyone in this thread

>>4009293
it does fit, and is a truth. Whether it's the one real Truth, however, is a pretty small probability, but is a probability nonetheless.

>>4009307
It was never stated if the baby was a boy or a girl, I think. Also, when the first call happened, Natsuhi mentioned something along the lines of 'it sounded like it could be a girl at first'.

Bomb theory is kinda denied until someone prove that this conclusion is possible with the japanese version of the game.

>>4009179
Like, the one that Nanjo was killed by another human, who was right in front of him?

Either a human detonated the bomb in front of him, or his death was completely unrelated to the bomb, like in most theories (survivor kills him, but then dies due to injury).

>Also I remember on a few occasions Beato said that nobody was killed by any indirect means like that. (Doesn't apply to all episodes, of course, but the bomb theory implies that it should.)

Those were all for deaths during the episodes, not at the end, so obiously the bomb had nothing to do with them.

> Also, even if it did fit all red text (which id doesn't) it would in effect be making everything besides the red text absolutely meaningless.

No, it wouldn't. The bomb fits Beatrice's riddle in episode 4 and also the reference to a sun in episode 3. It also fits well with the lack of the mansion appearing in episode 4 future.

Really, the bomb doesn't mean that there isn't a culprit, it just means that everyone always dies after the game ends because the culprit either timed it to detonate at that point or kills himself detonating it at that point.

>>4009209
>Ignoring the fact that LARGE BOMBS is a terrible breach of etiquette, explain the existence of the letters and the recovery of Kinzo's documents.

The person in Kuwadorian and every document there survives, obviously.

>>4009335
It fits in perfectly because it proves Kinzo continued a pattern of trying to get new Beatrices after Beatrice II.

>>4009355
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9080754
It was solved by 2ch.
We just stole it and filled in the blanks.

>>4009317
I was always on /jp/. At least they don't lap up everything 07 tries to write.
>>4009323
I just said that Umineko was a romance but decided to throw some themes of a really bad mystery in it.
>>4009327
I know magic exists, it would incredibly stupid of me to deny that. But it isn't real magic, it's touchy-feely bullshit.
I wouldn't even be mad if 07 could write a proper romance, but he fucking can't! I would happily accept the relationship between Battler and Beatrice if it was more than "i hate uuuu whoops now i love ya". Umineko is a serious step down from Higurashi, and Higurashi had the worst fucking villain ever.

>>4009275
I wouldn't put it past Kinzo.

>>4009300
Again, you accuse US of being upset? I pity you.

>>4009375
what is this song?i kinda want it.

>>4009375
Wish i could read it

>>4009421
Remix of Golden Slaughter done by zts or Dai.

>>4009424
It was translated and someone posted the B0MB theory few days ago.

>>4009385
So...you're a butthurt mysteryfag, am I right?

>>4009385
It's really been a fascinating ride watching you degenerate into more and more frothing, incoherent ANGRY, anti-fantasyfag.

>>4009439
I readed it.

Up until the B0MB part i feel that this theory is pretty plausible, but i never saw the translation of the japanese B0MB part and how it could fit/work.

And i find it really strange that it would fit so well in BOTH JAPANESE and ENGLISH.

>>4009385
that part was a bit stupid for me too, but at least Battler didn't fall for her head-over-heels right there and then.

at least there was an attempt to build them up and not hurr love at first sight durr

>>4009369
Battler's 1PpoV has to be objective in the first four games, or else there is no detective, and the mystery falls apart.
>>>/rs/Beatrice's_game_is_made_to_be_solvable.

>>4009385
>Umineko is a serious step down from Higurashi
3/10

>>4009503
Not a troll. That's what he really believes, and he lets us know at every opportunity.

>>4009471
I guess so, but it feel so underdeveloped. I understand it's hard to convey feelings and development through text, so that's probably why I don't feel anything.
Anime and manga are a million times better, VNs really lack any charm or strengths compared to them. Not to mention Umineko doesn't even have voice actors.
At least with many of the eroges, you feel some sort of connection with the girl because she talks.
>>4009454
Well, I'm glad you can ignore the point of my argument, good for you. のヮの

>>4009508
Haters gonna hate etc

>>4009509
>>Implying that novels/books are worst in conveying feelings because of the lack os voices/animations

Ok. Now you got me. you made me laugh, thanks.

>>4009509
>Anime and manga are a million times better, VNs really lack any charm or strengths compared to them.

>>4009536
I didn't say books. When you start comparing actual books to Umineko, you're going to look like a fool.
I know I can't say "Umineko has poor writing and a lack of character development" because you and your harpy gang will just say it doesn't, so what's the point? Does it matter if I prefer manga/anime to VNs?

>>4009575
...if lack of character development is your issue, why the hell would you prefer the anime?

Well, whatever. No point in arguing, because every time you whine about this shit nothing changes. We can't change your opinion, you can't change ours. I don't get why you bother going into Umineko threads when you hate it so much.

>>4009575
No. But you're still an upset fool.

>>4009575
Why so serious?

>>4009466
B0MB only solves the epitath, Beato, and the final deaths/golden land. It also assumes Battler's sin is the Konami code and a 6 year timer, which makes the detective the murder which suits meta Knox as the detective's presence causes all deaths.

B0MB doesn't solve the fantasy or the love or the fake-epitath murders. These still need solving.

>>4009421
The first is resurrectedreplayer by zts.
The second is dir by Dai.

in EP5, letter + knock
Inside letter = ring of the head
to get ring into letter, one must
>>Already have the ring
>>Knew where kinzo is

discuss.

>>4009589
There's a saying in times like this. There's no point in trying to get people to change. Fools will always be fools.

For an added bonus, use it around that !Osaka tripcoder to upset them.

>>4009589
Because he likes the attention

>>4009589
I haven't even watched the anime. I was just saying as a whole, anime and manga convey feelings so much more than a VN ever would. There are exceptions, but Umineko really doesn't feel like it to me.
Umineko is just a huge disappointment and a failed mystery to me.
>>4009590
Woah, sorry, I forgot you can only show appreciation and joy for Umineko. I didn't know you couldn't get mad.

>>4009623
You can show dislike for it. You don't have to start whining like you do.

>>4009623
Okay. That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

Why do you need to go into Umineko threads and let everyone know how terrible you think it is?

>>4009608
It was solved long time ago.
Fabricated lies.
The 3siblings came up with the fake murders so that they can go into Kinzo room.
Kinzo would have come out if there is a murder case.

>>4009623
Dislike =/= Obsessive repulse

>>4009643
Alright, I understand that I'm being childish. Saying "I don't like Umineko" isn't enough for me, so apparently when I state my distaste with it, that's whining.
I'll leave your precious Umineko alone.
┐(´ー｀)┌

>>4009649
the keys are with natsuhi, how the hell did they get in kinzo's room?

>>4009648
This has been going on for months and months, ever since it was made clear that EP5 was in large part about mocking anti-fantasyfags like our angry anon here.

>>4009623
I'm not hating on you, but Umineko makes my head spin as itself, and I think it's pretty good how a lot of people trying to solve it aren't succeeding.

what's a good mystery for you? I mean, any examples?

>>4009659
Yes, and you can spend your efforts on praising a series you actually do like instead.

Everyone wins.

>>4009666
At least it's funny, come on.

>>4009660
i won't put it past the kids.

>>4009674
THIS. I don't like Bleach, or Naruto, or Dragon Ball, but I sure as shit don't go into those threads on /a/ and bug people, do I?

>>4009691
Well of course not.
Because you don't ever go into /a/, right?

>>4009703
I'm an /a/ regular. I'm just here for Umineko.

>>4009703
Everyone in /jp/ go to /a/ from time to time.
You know it's true.

>>4009670
I've read most of Sherlock Holmes, but the most recent detective book I've read was The Big Sleep. It was short, entertaining and had interesting characters. The main character didn't get attached to anyone, so his interactions with other characters are interesting. Romance usually leaves a bad taste in my mouth unless it's done perfectly.

>>4009707
Explain the faggotry.

>>4009660
"NATSUHI BRING FATHER OUT NOW. GEROGE GOT KILLED"
Why do you even need a key for this?

The fact that George and Jessica get upset when Shannon or Kanon die in previous episodes but The Furniture do not give a shit about the cousins deaths in Ep 5 is very suspect.

>>4009711
Speak for yourself bro.

Okay guys, I have to ask. What the fuck is the pony theory? Googling just brought me to a few umineko fan forums. The only post I could find that seemed to address it is this:

>Basically it's about that there was another Beatrice. Who was hidden in Kuwadorian and protected by Genji and Kumasawa. Shanno was hired as a playmate for the new Beatrice. Beato wanted to know how the outside looks alike and how the Ushiromiya family is like. So Shannon and her switch places. Battler and Beato meet. Battler is dumb and doesn't notice. Battler promises Beato to come back on a white hourse and does the "See you again" line. The promise. Battler forgot that over the years and this is his sin.

Is that it?

>>4009716
Would your nightstand cry if you were killed suddenly, Anon?

>>4009723
Beatrice was a human girl who swapped places with Shannon for a day, six years ago during the family conference. Battler fell in love with her and made a promise to her to save her and bring her a white horse (or a pony. Pony would fit on the boat easier). He even spoke in engrish to her. When she swapped back with Shannon, she told her what had happened so that Shannon could pretend it all happened with her.

This is why Battler's memories of Shannon from six years ago don't match how she looks now. This is why George claims that Shannon seemed more level-headed six years ago. This is why the girl who Battler spoke to over the phone referenced Battler's engrish habit. The only other person to mention it was Shannon. Shannon was lying. It wasn't her that Battler spoke to in engrish. It was Beatrice.

Beatrice is not Shannon. But they did swap places for a day. And even though he made that promise, he forgot about her. He returned six years later. And he didn't even remember her.

Could you image it? How she must have felt. Waited and waited for six years to be saved, and he never came. And when he did, he didn't even remember.

>>4009716
Isn't that because George et al were faking their deaths?

>>4009713
Werent you, like, going to leave us?
Also, what is perfectly to you?

>>4009723

Not exactly, but sort of.

>>4009723
More or less.

>>4008990
The fact that natsuhi has the only 2 keys to kinzo's study, and with the auto-lock function, only natsuhi can go in. and since eva was denied access, slipped a piece of paper in instead. so other then natsuhi, i don't think anyone had access till after rudolf got up the 3 storey ladder

>>4009728
But hasn't Shannon been working there for 10 years, not 6?

>>4009745
Yeah. Now ask yourself: Why hire a six year old girl as a servant?

>>4009750

>>4009759

>>4009730
The relationships in Planetes or GITS.
Also, I thought it would be rude if I didn't reply to him, he asked in a nice enough manner. The reply didn't concern you anyways.

>>4009765

>>4009772

Too far

>>4009772
Crossing the line, dude.

>>4009772
Feels bad man.

>>4009772
I wish I never made the original.

>>4009793

>>4009737

Cool, thanks

>>4009723

Samefag here. I also found this image after digging around google some more, and am posting it to answer the questions of confused Anon, such as the kind I used to be. Hopefully it will help things make more sense

>>4009772
sup Bern

>>4009765
I really don't understand why some people find jokes like these advice pics so fucking offensive. I hate the Bombtrice theory but I think the OP image is hysterical.

>>4009793
It´s okay anon, if you believe you never made it, surely it will become the truth.

>>4009769
I love you too

>>4009772
God fapfapfapfap.

>>4009797
Yep, that's the one.

>>4009803
Nah, it's just the "It hurts" one was a little too much.

Stating that Beatrice was raped is one thing. Actively imagining it? That's a little too much for us.

>>4009803
I don't think people find them offensive, they just aren't very funny and seem to be the type of 'joke' you'd expect from a 13 year old or something.

>>4009826
B-but it's loli Beatrice getting raped!

>>4009765
>>4009772
>>4009797

Hoping that someone made a hentai doujin from this at C77. The glorious Goldsmith raping loli Beato.

>>4009857
Agreed.

What's with you fags not wanting to see her raped? I would rape her.

moar lolibeatrice advice

>>4009832
Agreed. Less /a/ level jokes and more discussion please.

/a/'s pony theory and /jp/'s BOMB theory.....dunno which one is more pathetic.

>>4009799
Battler's sin not related to beatrice.(Red truth)

byebye pony theory.

>>4009899
Alternate interpretations of red text.

Beatrice never says that the sin isn't between you and me.

>>4009899
So full of interpretations...

>>4009899

Battler said in ep. 4 Beato was playing with words.

>>4009899
Beatrice is a title, so it can still apply to Beato since she had another name before becoming Beatrice. Even Battler mentioned how that red is on shaky ground.

>>4009899

>I did not read the image

The image clearly states that the red truth can be side stepped because "Beatrice" is a title, not her proper name. At the time Battler made his promise, she may well have not actually become "Beatrice" yet, which would mean that the red truth would be technically true since the promise was not between Battler and Beatrice, but rather between Battler and whateverBeato'srealnameis

TLDR: Read the fucking image, dipshit

>>4009899
>The sin I am now demanding that you remember is not between Ushiromiya Battler and Beatrice.
>My name is Ushiromiya Battler
(Used by Meta-Battler.)
>I am the Golden Witch, Beatrice.
(Used by Meta-Beatrice.)

if beato wants battler to remember his sin, why make him confused with red truth?

>>4009769
I've read about all of Sherlock Holmes, and yeah, not much romance.

some Nancy Drew, some Hardy Boys, but not into those And Then There Were None that Erika spouted.

I'm not sure how Umineko can make the main romantic pairing perfect, but it hasn't fully surfaced yet so there's still hope for a good result

>>4009954
everyone bearing the title of Beatrice are excluded

>>4009987
Because she is tsundere.

>>4009986

Ushiromiya Battler was born from Asumu
And yet Battler cannot say that he was born from Asumu.

>>4009987
Because she wants him to remember her on his own, and "your sin was committed against me, the human beatrice" is giving it away.

>>4008988
please cease and desist with your spamming on our board ano
nta
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