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I think I just puked a little in my mouth.

Erika is Natsuhi's long lost son. I called it.

And now, I cannot unsee it.

yes, Beatrice is Battler's mom, she's also Jessica, and Gohda.

I don't buy the Beatrice is Battler's mom bit. That'd be really awkward.

>"Blond and bouncy is best right?!"

>>4001614
So Erika's a trap? Delicious.

And Ronove is Kenzo's mother.

Most likely something I wouldn't doubt.

>Beatrice, Kinzo mistress's, has a baby with any of his sons. Probably Rudolf.
>Beatrice gives birth to said baby in 1967.
>In the same year, Beatrice meets Rosa.
>Beatrice dies in 1967.
>Kinzo decides to leave this child to Natsuhi.
>Natsuhi, disturbed by this incident, "kills" both the servant and the child.
>Child survives.

After that, I have no clues how things sorted out to be the way they are, but it's not a bad theory, I guess.

>>4001629
We already know she's batshit, plus Ange and Rosa want to bed him, he's no stranger to incest.

>>4001591
... hmm. Thing is, the only 'Beatrice' who could qualify died a year before Battler was supposedly born. Now maybe she was pregnant, and Kinzo had her body kept alive until the baby could be concieved, but nothing about Rosa's encounter with Beatrice gave me the impression that Beato was aware she was pregnant. Or that she had a child previously.

This would also disqualify Battler from Beatrice's game, since she 'Started this game to fight with Ushiromiya's grandson Ushiromiya Battler'. /red Not 'Kinzo's son Ushiromiya Battler'.The only person who could have impregnated Beatrice was Kinzo after all...

Given that Battler has a birth secret, combined with him announcing he was the baby that Natsuhi abandoned, it has at least some plausability. It just depends where things stand in line with when Beato died to Rosa.

I like it, simply because /a/ would ragequit VNs in general and probably kill themselves.

>>4001629

That definitely wasn't "Beatrice".

>>4001655
>combined with him announcing he was the baby that Natsuhi abandoned

Source?

>>4001657
>EVERYONE FROM /a/ COMMITING MASS SUICIDE

GLORIOUS.

>>4001663
During ??? of Ep 5 when he presents his counter theory.

>>4001645
>Beatrice, Kinzo mistress's, has a baby with any of his sons. Probably Rudolf.

I really doubt that. Kinzo would probably kill Rudolph with his own hands, not reward Rudolph by giving him the child after his own miscarries or dies.

>>4001614
anything disproving this? I like the sound of this

>>4001669

So it wasn't really a proper announcement from Piece-Battler. Just a possibilty.

>>4001673

Do you think Erika's 19? I mean, of course this isn't impossible at all, but it seems very unlikely.

>>4001672

I see.

But well, remember that no matter what, Battler's still Kinzo grandson.

So then, what did Battler promise his real mother six years ago?

<Cool.>

>>4001681
That's true, and if she were a man, at 19, It'd be odd if her voice was feminine.

Well, Rudolf also said that if the truth was made known, he might get killed for it so Battler's birth secret has to be pretty big

>>4001681
The detective cannot be the culprit.

Battler is a liar ;_;

>>4001695
I'm not through the 5th episode, but the son is a confirmed culprit?

>>4001705
The entire episode wraps up by saying nothing is confirmed, so no.

>>4001673
It could be that she changed her voice, attempting to speak quite manly. But due to the Knox's rules, she is the detective and therefore cannot be the criminal.

>>4001721
yes but they were implying she was the son, not the culprit, and if son is not confirmed culprit....

>>4001724
OOOOOOOOH
Good point

>>4001614

Yes and by turning everyone against natsuhi she got her 'revenge'

>>4001692
Ange: It's not blood! It's bonds!

Battler can state that Asumu was his mother, he just can't state that he was born from her. Similarly, Ange can call him her brother.

>>4001694

That's true. But the possibilities there are endless. If Asumu's baby died or miscarried, and Rudolph accepted an adopted child from Kinzo (the same baby Natsuhi tried to kill perhaps?), or sneakily manipulated things to make think Kyrie had the miscarrage and Asumu gave birth, Kyrie would probably not be amused. She would be upset that Rudolph followed through with marrying Asumu even though her child died too, and if he stole her son and made her believe it was dead, well...

Maybe Rudolph adopted Battler, and knew Kinzo favored Battler and wanted him to inherit the house over the blood relatives. Both Rudolph and Battler's lives would be in danger.

Or maybe there is a factor we haven't thought of.

Gimme some light on this, please.

There are, by default, 19 people in Rokkenjima on the 5th game.
We know Kinzo is dead in the beginning of ALL games.
This lowers the number of people to 18.
However, it is mentioned by Beatrice in red that:

# Kinzo is already dead at the starting time for all games!
# Before now, I have proclaimed that no more than 18 humans exist on this island.
# I will lower that by one for Kinzo!!
# No more than 17 humans exist on this island!!
# That excludes any 18th person.
# In short, this 18th person X does not exist!!
# This applies to all games!!!

So, what now guys? Doesn't this makes impossible for Erika to exist?

>>4001673
I love this theory. As impossible as it is I love it.

>>4001744
Erika's arrival changed the conditions. The rule is 18 people now. She never made it to the island in the previous games, so her arrival in this one doesn't change the other games any.

How many mothers does Battler need? Asumu, Kyrie, now Beatrice?

>>4001744
>Furudo Erika only increased the head count by one. Not counting her, the number of people on the island is exactly the same as in the preceding games.

Wait, "son"? So someone's a trap?

>>4001751
>>4001757

Ah, I see, thanks.

Beatrice is everyone on the island

>>4001739
The theory definitely has weight to it, though there are too many unknowns at this point to have any certainty to it. We can always keep it in our minds and see how things go once Ep 6 comes out.

>>4001744
It was specifically said the person limit didn't apply to her and she counted as a "+1" to the previously stated limit. Since she cannot be the culprit it all works out fine, just don't use her in calculations.

>>4001760
If you didn't already know check this:
http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Text

>>4001591
There are so many things I find uncomfortable about this theory.