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After the window segment, every time Meta-Battler-Piece Battler went to act, I couldn't help but think "Go Battler, go."

1/10
Awful. Everything about it except my waifu bernkastel was totally kickass in it.

I think some people are missing what, I at least, see as the point of EP5. It was explaining to people, in explicit detail, what exactly was important and how to play the games. How thin it feels depends on how much you figured out beforehand.

But some people needed their hands held and be told, "Yes, the magic scenes are vital, don't just pretend they don't exist" or "Yes, the Battler and Beatrice relationship is important."

10/10

Loved every minute of it.

Beat EP3 was my favorite of the series.

Adding Knox's rules has given the story another layer which makes it all the more great.

Bern was the worst character in the entire series

I don't use a numerical scale because I think it's dumb.

I rate it as entertaining.

10/10
Will read again

???? confused the hell out of me, i was thinking i could trust Battler then it turns out i should only trust Erika, god damn.

if R07 redeems erika, I will ragequit.

9/10. This episodes definitely had the best red/blue battles. I just love those. Also, Dlanor was awesome and so was Erika.

>>3995069
>i was thinking i could trust Battler then it turns out i should only trust Erika, god damn.
I'm going to assume this is a troll.

>>3995051
Stop getting so presumptuous.
Pretty much everyone got that, it's not like it was subtle, you aren't special.

But it's not most of these things weren't already heavily hinted in the previous episodes.

>>3995031
10/10 made me run a law and order trial in my dreams

I really enjoyed it. Second only to ep 3 for my favorite. Dlanor and Erika were really fun additions to the cast. It was a little short and felt lacking towards the end before Battler came back to life.

>>3995051
This

Also Bern

>>3995051
But they don't exist.

>>3995062
It's true.

>>3995062
No, the evil witch Beatrice is.

>>3995069
How do you mean?
It should have been a bit obvious that Non Meta Battler piece Battler couldn't be trusted as Battler didn't technically see much that happened in game 5.

episode 5 was fucking awesome but i was disappointed that erika will be in episode 6 too

>>3995080
>Pretty much everyone got that, it's not like it was subtle, you aren't special.
It's not that I'm special or anything. A lot of people did get it, which is why I said that if it feels thin, it's because this EP was really about playing catch up and laying out things in totally explicit form, not that I'm a super special person who figured the entire thing out ahead of time.

>>3995125
I'm glad Erika is returning. She's a fun character.

>>3995118
I get sentimental about character & i didn't like distrusting him, but what can you do.

>Erika is bad
Fuck you guys. She's motiveless outside of getting Berns approval. Probably for the reason that SHE WILL BE THROWN INTO OBLIVION.

I mean shit, she didn't even want in on the gold.

Everything we saw that made her "bad" was from Battler's perspective because it collided with his goals.

Also if you noticed, she had the same crying facial inbetweens when she was being cruel that Beato used to have giving you a nice big hint that she doesn't enjoy it.

>>3995148
>Also if you noticed, she had the same crying facial inbetweens when she was being cruel that Beato used to have giving you a nice big hint that she doesn't enjoy it.
No, that hinted at inner turmoil and a painful personal past, not that she didn't like being a bitch. Of course, there were times Beato enjoyed being a bitch too, obviously.

>>3995148
Inbetweens meaning they flashed for half a second before new text came on the screen.

>>3995161
I'm talking about the subliminal ones. Not the ones when she was in a pinch.

>>3995173
>I'm talking about the subliminal ones. Not the ones when she was in a pinch.
I know what you're talking about. The most obvious one is the one where she's talking about how everything that isn't red text is a lie. That still doesn't negate the fact that her eyes sparkle with interest when she thinks there are corpses around and enjoys fucking with people for the hell of it.

Don't get me wrong, I like Erika a lot and think she's probably not really a bad person deep down, like Beato. It's just that she's also definitely a bitch as well--like Beato.

My favourite by FAR, it just doesn't give ep3 enough room, absolutely supperior in every aspect
-Natsuhi, a character we thought we had most of her development results we didn't know anything about her, good way to pace a tragic past in this one, ep4 was just dragged
-The best battles so far, red vs blue was fantastic in this episode, also the materialization into weapons to fight
-good contrasts between action scenes and thinking scenes, an even proportion
-Battler was just GAR this episode, teaming up with GARsmith is the best thing ever, aslo the furniture helping him amde the scene vibrating
-erika, the character to hate, I'm gllad we have her, she can be hated without reserves and just deserves to die. Dlanor was cool enough and a good character
-Fantastic execution of Battler and beato's last moments, terribly sad, I'm for it a a shipperfag
-Since this episode isn no answer arc, I really didn't come here looking for answers but for more info, useless or not, information is vital and got two or three things of my thepry pretty confirmed
-The twist in the end was better than I expected really

This is the bestb episode so far, people still say 3 becasue thy liked the Battler and Beato interaction, which in this episode was sad because she couldn't do anything (though the window scene was like a gust of wind that really fitted there). Also erika is more hateable than Evatrice and for once the bad guy didn't die in the end

>>3995197
Indeed, it's amusing that she is so incredibly similar to Beatrice, and yet so many people hate her.

I'm sure they'll do a 180 when she is redeemed, though.

>That still doesn't negate the fact that her eyes sparkle with interest when she thinks there are corpses
There's a lot to think about as to why she does this. Is she happy there are corpses or is she happy she can help people?

As odd as it sounds it's the second. She's happy she can help, uh, bern. With her boredom. So she doesn't get oblivionated.

So if Bern wasn't there prodding Erika, we could assume Erika wouldn't be so excited about murders?

>>3995281
Well she also loves puzzles, so I'm sure she would enjoy the process. Likely doesn't enjoy that people have to die to reach such an enjoyable process, but it won't stop her mysterygasm.

>>3995246
>Is she happy there are corpses or is she happy she can help people?
Neither. She's happy with the chaos. It's sort of like how her motivation to solve the epitaph was in part because solving things makes her feel superior to the person who made it, and partially because she'll enjoy watching the family explode into bickering factions.

I think it's pretty obvious that Erika is really insecure in a lot of ways, which is why she tries to prove her intellectual superiority.

Beato, on the other hand, is more "clever" than smart, but she has friends that genuinely love and care for her a lot. That, more than anything is why I love the Ura Tea Party so much. All of Beato's friends coming to help Battler, just as I'm sure she would have wanted it. (And even before that, begging her to give up the fight and retreat until she could regather her strength)

>>3995435
>I think it's pretty obvious that Erika is really insecure in a lot of ways, which is why she tries to prove her why she shouldn't be thrown into Oblivion.
I fixed this for you.

>>3995445
>Implying the only reason for Erika's actions is fear of Bern.

>>3995459
I would say it's her primary motive in life. She looks terrified about 90% of the VN.

>>3995459
>inferring correctly
What's your point?

>>3995471
>>3995484
>Lololol it's all Bern's fault Erika is a bitch.

Out of all the games so far I would rate them from best to worst as 5,3,2,1,4. I liked 4 but most of the Ange/Maria parts killed me.

I'm really interested in seeing what elements of 5 were different due to Bern/Lambda and which were actually there but we didn't see until this game.

>>3995459
>Implying is not

Erika is most of the time "I have to do my work PERFECTLY or master will make goatmen rape my face".

???? Battle proves this fact.Even Lambda was surprised when Erika got another chance for EP6.

>>3995499
You should probably head back to /a/ or learn to use > correctly.

>>3995499
>>Lololol it's all Bern's fault Erika is a bitch.
This sounds right. Do you have a point or do you just like green text?

>>3995521
So that's why she was chortling over imagining Jessica's face when she realized her father wouldn't be the head and torturing Cornelia because her perfect theory had been refuted, even though Bern didn't give a fuck.

B0MB x Battler is official pairing.

>>3995554
Stop that.

>>3995554
destroying the box doesn't mean killing the cat

BeaBato window jumping was my favorite scene.

I'll just post in here since I don't want to start another Umineko thread.

Does anyone else want a spinoff starring the 7 Stakes in the 60's USA?

"Leave it to Mammon" or something.

I'll just post in here since I don't want to start another Umineko thread.

Does anyone else want a spinoff starring the 7 Stakes in the 60's USA?

"Leave it to Beelzebub" or something.

EP 6 Game Master Battler sprite has no cape neither black suit.
What the fuck Ryu?

>>3995542
Jessica was being a bitch to her in that scene. It would be like you trying to do a math problem and some faggot getting angry because they won't get the highest score in the class. That said, she'd never go as far as to actually commit a crime herself.

As for torturing Cornelia, That's really nothing compared to the rest of when they cry.

I like Erika, she's funny.

>>3995609
B+ troll. I was fooled for a few minutes.

>>3995607
I think I remember reading that the game was still in development when those screenshots were taken. You never know, maybe we'll get Battler with a cape in some scenes.

>>3995606
FUCKING BITCH.

>>3995621
The only thing you can respond with is green text and memes. Perhaps you should leave?

>>3995609
No one likes Jessica anyway.

Erika is not a real person. She doesn't have feelings or emotions like the others do - she was spontaneously created by Bernkastel. Her one purpose in life is to play the detective and foil Battler at every turn, and her motivation is twofold: to gain favor from her "mother" Bernkastel and avoid being destroyed.

>>3995499
>>3995459
These implications are both true.

Hm, so if it was stated in red that Beatrice has nothing to win or lose from the epitagh being solved , can't we rule out Jessica?
I mean, she certainly has something to LOSE if the epitagh is solved, doesn't she?

I wonder what is Lambda and Bern wicked goal?

>>3995652
But Jessica is Beatrice, and people love Beatrice.

They have a fucking typhoon going on and Battler/Eva both saw the sun exploding?
After rereading the end of EP3 I find it very hard to doubt the Taiwan BOMB theory.

It also explain the how Nanjo was killed.
Someone armed the weapon(BOMB) before they died and it exploded killing Nanjo. As for who did it, Kanon probably armed the bomb before he died.

Ep1 - Ticking bomb went off killing everyone
Ep2 - Bomb go off killing Rosa who was running away from the collateral damage
Ep4 - Ticking bomb went off killing Battler
Ep5 - Ticking bomb went off killing everyone (this will happen probably as well because if it didn't the killing would have stop and Battler and family would be back with Ange)

What we are missing now is did the 3siblings masterminded the murders following the epitaph?
Did the bank account clue gave up enough clues on which servants are bought off and working for the murderers as accomplice?

Goldsmith killing in Ep4 was fabricated.
They would not have enough time to be carried all the way to the other place.
That mean all of them fabricated the lie and actually run there themselves.

Same thing with EP5.
There was no knock and no letter. Another fabrication.

>>3995673
Beatrice in the meta-world =/= suit Beatrice.

Beatrice in the meta-world is a BOMB, that's why she kills people even though she doesn't want to, even though she gains or loses nothing by this act.

>>3995684
>I wonder what is Lambda and Bern wicked goal?
The game practically spells it out for you at the end. They were pretending to go against one another when they were actually working together in order to take over and destroy Beato's game.

>>3995673
Beatrice is the B0MB

>>3995684
They have NO wicked goal, that's the worst of it. Ever read the Cthulu mythos? They are just TREMENDOUS assholes(tremendously powerful to boot), who cause suffering for shits and giggles. Really, they don't give a fuck about anyone, they just like being entertained.

>>3995702
She's not a bomb. Stop that.

>>3995684

To make fun of everyone else's misery, but it may be more deeper. R07 did say something about Lambda's "true identity" having something to do with the Epitaph.

Don't know how true the source was, tho'.

>>3995673
Actually, that applies to Jessica.
She's already going to be the next head, so she has nothing to gain from the epitagh being solved. She doesn't really care about it though, so she has nothing to lose, either.

>>3995701
>a human held up a weapon.
>right before his eyes

Nanjo's murderer confirmed for kamikaze bomber.

Lambda is a A BIT more likeable than Bern.
Bern is a total bitch than needs to burn.
Lambda is chaotic neutral.

I would rate it a 9/10. Pretty much beat EP3 by a mile for me. Everything was just so perfect. From the time battler and GARsmith teamed up to the end of the ???? teaparty. The only little complaint i had was that it seemed to drag on just a bit at certain parts of natsuhi's trial. Either than that, everything was perfect. Oh yea, I can't even describe how Bern was that episode. God Tier Troll is not enough to describe her. I was raging so hard I that I went full circle and became calm during natsuhi's trial. By the way, does anyone have the shoop of battler and kinzo wearing the gurren lagann glasses?

>>3995758
Well, Lambda seemed to have planned Battler learning the full truth, it seems. Note how quickly she moves!

>>3995758
Lambda is more like <pop> , <cute>, and I forget the other one.

>>3995786
<cute>

>>3995786
>>3995802

More like <Untap, upkeep, draw!>

Lambda is so moe, she needed more lines.

By the way is it now:
GM Battler vs Erika (Bern+Lambda)
or
GM Battler+Lambda vs Erika (Bern)???

>>3995821
I like Lambda better than Bern by a mile. She's bitchier and funnier.

>>3995820
I would tap Bernkastel for mana if you know what I mean.

>>3995775
Anon delivers.

>>3995842
GM Battler vs. Everyone else.

>>3995842
It's GM Battler versus everyone. Lambdadelta is like Tallyrand and Xellos's love child, she works only for herself and holy shit can she work!

>>3995855
That tripcode was not intended, sorry.

>>3995846
Lambda is hilarious, she actually acts the bored cheeky child, while bern is just a massive bitch.

>>3995842
GM Battler vs. Erika and Bern

Lambda is like the third force that attacks the one at an advantage, to keep everything a stalemate.

Ergo, Battler is Houjo, Erika is Takeda, and Lambda is Uesugi.

>>3995867
She only acts like that around Bern though. Otherwise she's really malicious.

>>3995855
Thanks bud

In few hourse we will really know if Battler really doesn't has a cape...

So, the next episode focuses, among others, on Jessica, Battler, George, Kanon, and Shannon.

....Think it'll be enough to stop this whole Ponyfag vs Jessicafag debacle?

>>3995902
Aye.

/jp/, did any of you read episode 5 with Agth / Atlas combo? If you did, how did that go? Was the story understandable?

>>3995895
>Otherwise she's really malicious.
Not according to Ryukishi, bro.

>>3995917
Pardon me but, what the hell do people mean by "pony". I've seen it tossed around more than a few times today and I've no idea what they're referring to

>>3995923
Regarding this, anyone want to upload the Atlas dictionary they used to do it?

>>3995929
Probably some stupid shit f/a/ggots came up with.

>>3995929
It's basically a theory that Battler's sin was a promise 6 years ago to Beato to come back.

>>3995929
Obvious/shipper shitty theory

>>3995929
I think I saved it.
...
There we go.

>>3995917
I hope so. I don't really like either theory, but one needs to be put to rest. Simply stating in red that a living Beatrice does or does not exist would either validate, or put the pony theory out to pasture.

>>3995929
Oh, quite simply - the basic Jessitrice theory but with Beatrice existing as a piece on the board. Battler interacted with "Shannon" back in the day, but it wasn't Shannon, it was Beatrice disguised as Shannon, and he made her some promise which he forgot. It's rather popular on /a/.

>>3995929
Teory that Battler's sin is promising loli Beato a pony.
And that's all.

>>3995928
Did he say something about her in an extra TIP or something?

She always seemed like sort of a Kotomine Kirei character, who only does things that seem helpful because he/she enjoys seeing the chaos that results.

>>3995939
No, just that Battler made a promise to Beato six years ago in general. We don't know the content of the promise.

>>3995935
Indeed, if a someone did that, that would be great.

>>3995721
Beato is definitely a blonde bombshell.

>>3995945
>the basic Jessitrice theory
Ugh. It's the other way around.

>>3995949
>Did he say something about her in an extra TIP or something?
"Despite possessing both innocence and cruelty, she also has a more tender side with regards to people's passion."

>>3995786
<hyper> and <grotesque>?

So, I got into this series from the anime(forgive me), and I am curiosity, what is /jp/'s take on Beatrice's identity? That seems to be the crux of the whole mystery, really...

Also, to those saying Beatrice is a bomb, the challenge she gives Battler at the end of episode four is WHO am I, not WHAT am I. So she is someONE, not someTHING.

>>3995976
Jessica/Kyrie/Shannon/Kanon/Shkanon/the seagulls/small bombs/an avalanche.

>>3995943
This image is wrong though because the very basic theory was presented on /jp/ a long time ago. The episode 3 screenshots with the 'white horse' were even posted here with it originally.

Not that I really care, but niggers need to get their shit straight.

>>3995976
Also, Lambda identifies her as human, and she is described as human when her title as a witch is stripped away.

>>3995976
An allegory for the mastermind/multiple culprits.

I'm not sure whether I prefer this over Banquet.

So far my tier list is End/Banquet > Alliance > Legend > Turn.

>>3995976
Personally I don't think a Beato bomb and a human Beato are mutually exclusive.

If she's human, I'm guessing that her birth name is "Maria", since Kinzo got really pissed at Rosa for naming her daughter that.

>>3995976
# And right now, there is no one other than you on this island.
# The only one alive on this island is you.
# Nothing outside the island can interfere.
# You are all alone on this island.
# And of course, I am not you.
# Yet I am here, now, and will kill you.
# the identities of all unidentified corpses are guaranteed

Red text said nothing about Beato not being an object.
But it does sound ridiculous with BOMB gaining a sentient life.
I don't really like it either but it make the most sense.

>>3995993
Oh, you think she's a personification of any of the culprits? Interesting, but she sure is nice for such a heavy origin. Also, she did say "who" am I, so I think it has to be someone specific. Not quite sure who fits the bill, yet.

>>3995988
>This image is wrong though because the very basic theory was presented on /jp/ a long time ago.
Yes, and the idiots here used it to make Jessitrice. It was introduced by the same person on both boards, except /a/ started posting more screens in help of it, while /jp/ spun it off into a bullshit story about how Jessica was secretly leading her own family around by the nose when she wasn't being raped by Kinzo.

Both theories have major flaws, but fuck Jessitrice.

>>3995028
please cease and desist with your spamming on our board ano
nta
lk.com thanks in advance have a nice day

>>3996008
Poison. Beatrice could be dead, could be there, the food Battler ate was poisoned, he's dead. From Beato, who killed him. There you go. Remember, finding a theory that fits the bill but lacks "love"(which is to say, common fucking sense in line with a good story) is kinda bad, as Erika proved.

>>3996014
Jessitrice makes more sense than fucking PONY though.
And actually had more hints in this episode, can't say this about your pony.

Beato is a B0MB.
Too many things fit.

>>3996029
I think that's even worse than having a giant bomb on the island.

>>3996034
>And actually had more hints in this episode
Like what?

So the stakes are cheap fakes from the US what are Gap, Lia & Ronove? something about murder weapons.

>>3996039
No, no it's not. Food being poisoned makes sense, a gigantic fucking bomb that could kill Battler anywhere and totally demolish the corpses is silly. Heck, an explosion of that magnitude would be recognized by the investigators, easily.

>>3996050
Ronove = Genji
Lia = Kumasawa
Gaap = cat or something. idunno lol

The weapons were the Siestas (shotguns).

The Taiwan theory make everything fit pretty much perfectly.
It's by far the best theory yet.

>>3996060
All it has to be is an explosion that sets off a landslide, man.

>>3996065
What IS the taiwan theory? Elaborate, plox.

>>3996029
Poison doesn't explain Nanjo murder because it is not a trap in Ep3.
Doesn't explain how Maria got blow off with only her jaws left in Ep1.

Of course this is provided the way the each episode end is the same. If we throw this thinking away anything goes actually.

>>3996077
http://privatepaste.com/3c08fce4af

>>3996060
They labeled it as "unfortunate accident".

I will leave it up to think what fit unfortunate accident".

>>3996078
Poison is just one method. I am not saying it is the ONLY method of murder used, I'm saying that it is one way to die by yourself and have someone else kill you.

>>3996065
Indeed. But Beato being a bomb...
don't really like it.

>>3996078
How about if Nanjo is like jekyll and hyde, he takes a drug that cause him personality to do a 180 and in that madness he sort of killed himself in EP3.

>>3996034
I don't have a screenshot on hand because I don't really care for the pony theory, but there WAS that whole "I'll never believe your promises again" "when did I ever break a promise?" "yeah I'd rather go to hell after all it's better than this" bit during the trial.

Seems like a pretty big hint to me, anyway.

>>3996100
I'll restate it. Beato being a bomb has no love in it. Also, a bomb does not a golden witch make it.
Finally, we're never going to see the end of the small bombs meme if it is true.

>>3996029
I'd say poison is likely, considering that's how Maria died.

>>3996114
Knox.
No stupid bullshit drug.

>>3996114
Knox, etc.

>>3996118
That's just meta beatrice though.
Doesn't change anything, the unbelievable thing about pony is the existance of a real Beatrice who somehow come on the island during the second day or some shit like this.
Pretty fucking retarded.

>>3996122
Come up with a better truth then.

>>3996137
The Beatrice that came to the island in one of the episode is another fabricated lie by the Natsuhi and gang to hide Kinzo death.

>>3996060

I don't like th idea of poison because it isn't applicable for the other episodes, and changing the Beatrice label to different things in each story would be just cheap.

A bomb that triggers a landslide, hides the corpses and allows the Beatrice legend to exist in every world fits the "Beatrice" label much better than just some killing method that still would need further help to actually help spreading the legend.

>>3996137
Personally, that's why I believe in Jessitrice. TACTICAL STRIKE BEATO halo jumping on the island as soon as someone dies seems silly to me.

>>3996122
Are you denying the love between a man and his bomb?

>>3996122
That might be a reason why Beato didn't counter the small bombs theory.
She can't because B0MB really kill some of them.

>>3996149
See, the problem here is assuming the methods have to be uniform. They don't. In one universe killing someone with a knife may be easier with a gun, but vice-versa in the other.

Also, Battler never promised a bomb anything. Meta-Beatrice having any relationship with Battler makes NO SENSE IF SHE'S A LIFELESS HUNK OF METAL!

>>3996150
The mental image that gave me was perfect.
brb photoshopping Beato's face over MGS3 opening.

In EP3 Eva gets of the island. How if the whole place is going to explode?

>>3996172
Magic.

>>3996150
It doesn't make sense from a characterization level, though. Nothing points to Jessica being Beatrice. At least Shannon is fucking suspicious.

>>3996172
If Kinzo make this plan and placed the bomb, where do you think would be the only safe place on the island?
And what do you think Eva found in this episode?

>>3996184
The phone conversation between Jessica and Battler early on 5 seems a bit fishy to me.

Oh god, if a bomb is killing everyone at the end IT DOESN'T FUCKING MEAN THE BOMB IS BEATO.

BEATO IS THE UNKNOW, WICH MEAN SHE IS THE KILLER, THE IMPOSSIBLE MURDERS AND MAYBE THE BOMB.

Battler's sin was saying "You all suck, I hope a bomb explodes and everyone here dies!" because he was pissed about the whole thing with Asumu, and Kinzo heard him and went "OH DESIRE BOMBATRICE!!!". You heard it here first.

>>3996194

R07 is not stupid, he likes teasing his fan.. afterall Umineko is challenge between him and us. there were hints for Jessitrice and Kiryetrice too in this episode.

>>3996184
The phone call, the LACK of information we have concerning her, the asthma that doesn't kick in under intense physical stress but does when she's in an annoying conversation, the fact that in episode 4 she called Battler after dying, the fact that she thought Kinzo was alive in episode 4 despite the fact that Kinzo was dead for an entire year and thusly she should have known he was dead.

Jessica is mighty suspicious.

>the best soundtrack in the series.
Too much -45 if you ask me. I realize we're getting to the part where everything is fucking intense and totally warrants his music, but when a few hours just keeps switching between a few of his tracks, it loses its impact.

Final Answer was nice too, but I prefer the original. Final just cranks up the tempo and loses the emotional impact.

Obviously the inclusion of Dread of the Grave, Endless Nine, and dreamenddischarger is a good thing, even if only once. I was a little annoyed by the placement of the last one though. So much red/blue barrage that I could barely hear it.

Does anyone know the year the epitath was written?

I think the bigger point about Beatrice is, that as the witch entity, she exists for the sake of Battler. That's why I can't imagine her as Jessica--who only has a general familial tie--or Shannon--who has practically no ties at all--or as a bomb in the narrative.

>>3996219
According to the flashback, Jessica was never told about Kinzo's death, so apparently it was kept from her the same it was kept from all the servants that weren't in on it. (e.g. Gohda)

>>3995702
Someone seriously needs to stop these inanimate objects obtaining personalities by belief, or we'll have hundreds of Sakutaros running about.

>>3996215
>Umineko is challenge between him and us.

Umineko is Ryukishi's ritual attempt to revive his witch wife by sacrificing all his readers, but only so long as they cannot solve the riddle.

It's a game within game. That's why he said he'll leave the mystery open-ended. If no one solves it by Ep8, we're all gone.

>>3996239
She's not a bomb. He made a promise to Beatrice, one does not make a promise to a bomb. Not only is the promise stressed in episode 4 and 5, in the preview of episode 26 in the anime it's mentioned, in her image song it's mentioned, and it's always being alluded to.
Stop ignoring this, please. She's not a bomb.

>>3996236
84 or 83 I believe.

>>3996247
No danger of that happening.

Rosatrice is the truth.

DAT WINK....

>>3996248
Well, fuck.

>>3996256
>He made a promise to Beatrice, one does not make a promise to a bomb

"I swear if I come to this den of nutjobs once again I'm going to blow up the entire fucking island. "

>>3996256
I'm not ignoring it. I agree with you. Beato's keyword is "promise", it shows up in every song connected to her.

>>3996243
She lives on the island. I don't buy the fact that a whole year passed by without her seeing Kinzo and her believing that Kinzo was alive.
Also, the phone call. In episode 4. Dubious doesn't even BEGIN to describe it.

>>3996236
"April the year before last," therefore April 1984. I'm replaying Ep1 again.

>>3996243
Jessica mentions speaking to Kinzo over the last year in Ep1 in front of Battler. She knows he's dead.

This bomb theory is good for a few laughs, but it doesn't really answer the question of why somebody would bother killing people in the first place. It also raises a significant problem with how the rest of the world viewed the scene.

Before the letters came to light, the Rokkenjima incident was considered a "murder mystery", as in they couldn't figure out how this all happened. If there was a bomb powerful enough to create an earthquake, people would be attributing the deaths to that earthquake, or from the explosion. It wouldn't be Beatrice that would get the credit, the whole thing would be considered a natural disaster.

Not that any of this matters, since Ep. 4 showed that there does exist a human "Beatrice" anyway.

>>3996277
Rosa claimed to speak to Kinzo a few times in EP2 if i remember correctly

>>3996309
Well, fuck.

I basically see it like this:

There was a human Beatrice II. She died. However, after her death, the Beatrice legend was created and Meta-Beatrice is basically a personification in the meta-world of Beatrice II's legend.

She was once a human, but isn't anymore. The B0MB is considered Beatrice because its sole purpose is to help spreading the legend, but it doesn't mean Meta-Beatrice is a personification of that bomb.

Battler's sin probably is related to his change from someone who believes in magic (and the Beatrice legend) to a sceptic, probably hurting someone connected to the Beatrice legend (either someone who received her identity due to it or who take her identity from it) while doing it.

In Ep 3 does anyone remember number that was written on the door?
You know the one with Battler's birth date + unknown.

What was that number?

>>3996256
The promise was a promise to trap it hard, just like shkanon and jessica.

Beatrice is Battler's trap name, and she's warning him to come out and defuse the bomb.

Beato = Battler

>>3996295
>Jessica mentions speaking to Kinzo over the last year in Ep1 in front of Battler.
Do you have a cap? I remember this in the anime, but when I went to go check, I didn't see anything about it in the game.

>>3996322
So she dies & Kinzo grieves which leads to a huge great bomb being put in her place?

>>3996302
>Piece Beato exist

Gb2/a/

>The corpses of the children who were thought to have survived until the end were not found after all, but from the pieces of the corpses that were found in that unimaginably gruesome crime scene, the police had no choice but to conclude hopelessly that the lives of all of the eighteen people, including the children, were lost...
>Furthermore, as the result of an all-out police investigation, concerning Maria, a body part, ...a piece of her jaw was found. It was a precious instance where they managed to identify the owner of a body part through dentist medical records.
>...Since in that gruesome situation there were countless body parts whose ownership or even provenance couldn't be determined, it can probably be said that this jaw was an extremely fortunate piece. The police, since the piece of jaw was damaged, and even though no other parts were discovered nor identified, judge it is hopeless to believe any are still alive.

There was pretty much nothing left of anyone.

You guys forgotten one important point.
Lambda made Beato a witch.
Giving object sentient life? LOL MAGIK HAX.

But yeah someone already said it. The game piece Beato that we see might be symbolizing the murderer intent for each game.

>>3996329
07151129 I think.

>>3996355
eaten by goats

>>3996295
Are you sure she's not just talking about Kinzo?

>>3996357
But that's stupid. Why would a personification of murderous intent be so kind and caring?
Also, Batter never made a promise to murderous intent, did he?

B0MB is not completely stupid.
There is B0MB named Beatrice and "witch" being called Beatrice.
Remember that Kinzo is such a fucktard that he could name a B0MB after Beato.

>>3996343

More like, she dies, Kinzo grieves, attempts to bring her back, curses his own family, and sets up a way to kill his own family for the Beatrice legend, but dies before his plan is accomplished.

The true culprit somehow learns about his preprations and decides to finish what he started.

>>3996385
You can't make a promise to a bomb.

Uhh

Maybe the "Who... aaam I?" refers to the person who set the bomb, not the bomb itself.

All of this Beatrice = bomb talk sounds way too silly.

>>3996422
Put it in a frilly dress & include veil.

>>3996394
I think it's more like this:
Kinzo thinks of his family as utter failure and he wants to end them once and for all.
He sets up a B0MB and for shit and giggles he calls it Beatrice.
However he decided to give them last chance by making epitah.
If someone manages to solve it,he would prove he is not complete failure and he would learn about B0MB.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_5

>1986 – Israeli secret nuclear weapons are revealed. The British newspaper The Sunday Times ran Mordechai Vanunu's story on its front page under the headline: "Revealed — the secrets of Israel's nuclear arsenal."

The Jews nuked Rokkenjima because they wanted Kinzo's Jewgolds.

>>3996428
Ok so the person solves the epitah, they now need to learn to defuse a bomb.

>>3996422
Starting a six year timer is a promise.

Beatrice: Small bombs? You fucking kidding me? It was a LARGE bomb, moron!

>>3996444
Same way you unlock the door to the B0MB.
Same way that Battler made his promise to the B0MB:
Konami code.

>>3996440
Furthermore, 07151129 the second date (not Battler's birthday) is November 29th:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_29#Events

>Israel – Kaftet be-November (commemoration of the U.N. decision in 1947 to partition Palestine)

The first date is Battler's birthday, and the second date is the birthday of the culprit, Israel.

Kinzo thinks of his family as utter failure and he wants to end them once and for all.
He creates a bomb and places the switch in the chapel.
6 years before the story, Battler dicks around in the chapel, inputs the "Konami Code" and sets off a 6 year timer. This is possibly his sin.
(The Konami Code is the answer to the epitath and is mentioned by Rudolf in Ep 1. See Taiwan theory link.)
If no one solves the epitath in 1986, the B0MB goes off and everyone dies.

When
They
Cry

It's even more ridiculous because SMALL BOMBS was the only part that Beato didn't deny...

>>3996348
There exists a signature of "Beatrice" on Maria's diary. This signature is written in handwriting completely different from Maria's. This handwriting also shows up in the letters handed out to the living relatives, and in the letters in the bottle.

This tells us that:
- There's a person that knows exactly what happened on that island.
- That person called herself Beatrice.

This is backed up by the information given in the EP 4 Tips, by Battler's comment about Beato's signature in EP 3, and by the knowledge about Beato's motivations that we learn in EP 5. Whether you like it or not, there does exist a human "Beatrice".

>>3996476
I see what you did there.

>>3996476
>WTC
What the fuck, all this Jews Did It shit is coming together.

>>3996476
This is further evidence of my theory, since the Jews did WTC.

>>3996481
I don't think anyone questions that someone is masquerading as this witch called Beatrice.

It's a stretch to claim she's not one of the 17, though.

>>3996377
What I think.
The 3siblings adult are the real mastermind.
Remember they show us how they setup the meeting without going into details of their meeting in EP5.
Highly possible that they came up with some elaborate plan following the epitaph to threaten Natsuhi or extort money off Krauss.
However something always go wrong with their plan, people start dying and so on.
EP3 - Kyrie going off to discuss their masterplan with Hideyoshi ending up with a dispute and they end up killing each other. Proof she had no reason to get food.

Ep4 - Kyrie telling Battler about she getting killed by invisible golden arrows is highly suspicious because that never happened.
Assume we conclude that Beato in ep4 is the personification of Kyrie everything make sense however I do not what Battler did to Kyrie 6years back.

>>3996329
For the number, it is highly possible that it is a bank account number.
The number there might be a threat to Eva "I want my money, killing George is just a start. I am coming after you next"

>>3996495
>Assume we conclude that Beato in ep4 is the personification of Kyrie everything make sense however I do not what Battler did to Kyrie 6years back.
Or what did Kyrie do to Battler.

Hanyuu became some kind of powerful demi-god in the after life just because people revered her when she was a mortal being, an inanimate object attaining self-awareness isn't exactly beyond the realm of possibilities for Trollukishi.

>>3996506
I wish they would stop mentioning Higurashi so much in Umineko, i'm just getting my hopes up if i look forward to Hanyuu.

>>3996363
>07151129

I used to suspect that number had a dual purpose as a number input to stop the detonation of a bomb. But I guess that wouldn't make any sense as Eva wrote down the number, but still had to escape to Kuwadorian. I'm at total loss as how she knew where it was.

As previously stated, the only contradiction to this is that the Konami Code was first used in 1986.

However, Umineko also takes place in 1986.
Rudolf, as already stated, mentions the Konami Code.
The answer to the epitath is also the Konami Code.

>>3996472
As previously stated, the only contradiction to this is that the Konami Code was first used in 1986.

However, Umineko also takes place in 1986.
Rudolf, as already stated, mentions the Konami Code.
The answer to the epitath is the Konami Code.

>>3996337
>>3996372
Double checking, she could just be talking about Kinzo. However, her comments don't fit with the idea that she's not seen him for over an entire year though, and the last two caps support this. Nevertheless, my original statement was misleading.

>>3996492
I'm just saying that since "Beatrice" is a human, it can't refer to itself as a bomb.

>>3996472
As previously stated, the only contradiction to this is that the Konami Code was first used in 1986.

However, Umineko also takes place in 1986.
Rudolf, as already stated, mentions the Konami Code.
The answer to the epitath is also the Konami Code.

>>3996541
So Konami, backed by the Zionists, did Umineko.

>>3996539
We're forgetting that the aim is to find a new family head, and what the responsibilities of the head are:
* Child substitutions and multiple names
* Raping girls named after your ex
* Labrynthine mystery creation
* Trolling
* Exploiting the Taiwanese working class.

>>3996472
I'm fairly certain it was said non of this would happen if Battler wouldn't have came that year so that would mean a bomb isn't likely....

'Sup guys?

EP 8 first screenshot~!

>>3996561
Beaomb/Battler is my OTP.

>>3996558
>it was said non of this would happen if Battler wouldn't have came that year
If I remember that right, it was just Battler asking that himself. Nobody actually told him that.

>>3996572
I deleted EP 1-4 earlier last month to make room for FarCry2, can anyone confirm this for us?
This helps poke a hole through this insufferable bomb theory.

>>3996572
If Battler didn't come to the island, then Beatrice would never have done anything. After all, she's doing everything for Battler's sake. The entire game would make very little sense of Battler himself was not there to experience it.

>>3996589
But FarCry2 SUCKS!

Hm.

Something different though;

while the scene between Battler / Kinzo and Erika was fucking awesome, the shifting between Meta and Game Board was confusing.

Anyone got a decent explanation for it?

>>3996534
Jessica's comments are very, very, very, very suspect. Not as misleading as you would have thought, Anon.

>>3996600
Seriously, if Ryukishi didn't suck at drawing so much, it would be as simple as Meta not wearing his white/brown jacket, and piece wearing it like normal.

>>3996605
Just a little tweak...

>>3996598
That it does my friend, pretty as hell at 1080p 4AA at max settings. I wish I backed up my saves or just gotten a new hard drive...
>>3996603
It doesn't seem like Jessica knows he would be alive from first hand experiences.

I feel like we did see something very important during the scene in Kinzo's study.

As far as I know its the first time we've seen a fantasy scene and the corresponding truth at the same time.

I'm not even close to done, I've been reading as slowly as possible, becuase I know I'll get a sad empty feeling once I've finished and I have to wait for the next translation ;_;

where can i download ep5 ?

>>3996630
I find that it's great to have discussion before EP 6 is gonna shit on everything when spoilers come out.

>>3996600
You mean the window scene?
That was Lambda-piece Battler.

>>3996617
Don't trust witches, that was 34's doing.

>>3996653
Gaap love Lamba-Battler.

>>3996605
>>3996611

It's pafekuto.

the murderers are a group of rabid goats that eat the mansion whole

>>3996710
>shot
>hung

Americans killed Kumasawa and Gohda in the fourth game?

Beato=B2=Bomber

B0MB was here

Maria agrees

>>3996712
dat tongue

>>3996712

Is the bomb thing gonna be the next spammed theory?

>>3996739
All the pieces are falling into place

>>3996756
Small Bombs theory was just the absurd blue theory Battler used.

B0MB (And Konami Code) is a theory made by the 98% solved riddle.

Know the difference

>>3996739
B-2 is a stealth bomber, right? ffffff

>>3996781
What exactly is the Konami code theory?

can someone explain to me what the pony theory is?

>>3996795
http://privatepaste.com/3c08fce4af

>>3996781
>98% solved riddle

What is this exactly? Just another name for the B0MB theory?

>>3996800

see
>>3995943

>>3996781
>B0MB (And Konami Code) is a theory made by the 98% solved riddle.
Did I miss something?
The only mention of bombs I can even remember is battlers SMALL BOMBS theory.

Does this island bomb theory even follow knox's rules?
They were introduced for a reason so they should probably be used as such.

>>3996849
There is no evidence for it, people like it only because it fits into place well.

So what is the current theory with Natsuhi's sin... who's the most likely person to be the boy from 19 years ago?

>>3996844
Why does /a/ say it's theirs?
I saw it long before they started talking about it...

>>3996858
Kanon, most likely, the emo git that he is.
Could just be someone trolling her, though.

>>3996878
/a/ hates Jessitrice, so they make it seem like they invented the pony theory, mainly because its a CHILDHOODMAWWAGE PROMISE.
shipper shit, imo.

>>3996896
The pony theory doesn't have anything to do with Jessitrice though. It just started with Shannon's engrish lines.

The shipperfaggotry is strong in it though, but it wasn't specifically created to counter jessitrice.

So whats Battlers sin then? Did him leaving the Uroshiyma family make Kinzo go crazy and make a bomb or something?

>>3996849
Riddle is introduced in the first episode.
So if the riddle is solved correctly using Taiwan theory, it follows the Knox theory to the dot.

I get to the part in ???? when Battler and Dlenor are fighting and suddenly Rovove is blocking an attack. it shows him with a red ring that shows his barrier is up, then it freezes up and won't continue...

>>3996911
Yeah, but it's bad man. You can't even mention Jessitrice without getting greentext and reaction images there....

Bomb theory is retarded.
It's an arrogant truth, in the end.
A hilarious, arrogant truth though.

>>3996926
That's because everyone hates Jessica in /a/.

>>3996941
>That's because everyone hates Jessica

Fixed

>>3996926
That's because Jessitrice is terrible. I have no problem with her being involved in the murders. I think she's at least involved in covering up Kinzo's death. But Beatrice's motivations and interactions with the other characters don't make sense when you try to plug Jessica in her place.

HYe guys i'm dorthy heklo! =]

>>3996950
Please, explain. I don't see anything that would make the interactions odd....

>>3996960
Beatrice is characterized as being especially close to Battler and Maria. Jessica is characterized as not being especially close to either of them.

She's awkward around Maria--not sensitive to her beliefs and has to catch herself in making fun of the things Maria holds "sacred". Contrast that to Beatrice interacting with Maria about Sakutaro, who she takes with complete and utter seriousness, to the point of also considering him a "friend." Also, just look at Jessica's reaction in EP1, freaking out at Maria in the study. I find it hard to believe that's an act, so I'm inclined to believe that Jessica loves Maria as her little cousin, but doesn't really understand her that well, and isn't particularly close to her. But as far as "Beatrice" and Maria go, Ryukishi himself has pointed out that Maria is incredibly important to Beatrice--it's a constant through all the games.

I don't think I need to go into Beatrice and Battler, but in this very episode, after Battler dies, Beatrice actually fades away and ceases to exist, with the narrative explicitly pointing out that without him there, there's no need for "the Golden Witch." I haven't seen a single thing on Jessica's end that would imply that she would play the role of Beatrice for BATTLER'S sake, like the game itself suggests.

>>3997046
>>Battler Maria and Natsuhi*

>>3997136
The reason Beato was close to Natsuhi in EP5 was because of the role she played. It's similar to the one she played for Shannon in EP2.

>>3997046

Out of interest who do you think Beatrice is then?