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he accidentally blew up beatrice's small bomb cache.

Reposting
>No. It still doesn't change the fact that Genji, Krauss, Natsuhi, and all the people in the dining room did not make a knocking sound period, and nobody outside the mansion could influence the events inside
This points to either the clock being off or something stupidly round-about then.
I truly hope it's the former and not "Nanjo using Kinzo's hand...".

to keep tartarus from retrieving the index and activating the ring

Because OH DESIRE

Surely because he knew Krauss wanted to exploit the island and Kinzo was "I don't want my Golden Island be raped, so there's no more island" or something.

>>3993639
>>3993635

I didn't consider the possibility that the clock might be wrong, good catch. And no, there is no red stating it was the parlor door being knocked on, only that it WAS a door that was being knocked on. And that absolutely noone inside the mansion could have generated it.

>>3993621
Just because the mansion is gone does not necessarily mean that is was destroyed at 24:00 October 5, 1986. Remember, in that same world, Eva had sold off a considerable portion of Kinzo's rare books and other 'magical' possessions. Also, Ange physically possessed one of the seven stakes, presumably sniped from Kinzo's collection when Eva was selling it.

It could have been demolished at any time after the murders.

>>3993709

I think it's because Kinzo hates every single one of his spawn and sees them as disappointments.

Remember EP4? He gave a pretty lengthy rant on the subject.

Poor Eva though ("She's a fucking woman!")

>>3993716
That is important to consider.
As I don't think Eva carried Kinzo's library on her back to where ever she went to survive.

I'm at the first twilight arc. How long is this?

I refuse to believe there was a landslide planned by someone for two years after their death.

>>3993716
>Remember, in that same world, Eva had sold off a considerable portion of Kinzo's rare books and other 'magical' possessions. Also, Ange physically possessed one of the seven stakes, presumably sniped from Kinzo's collection when Eva was selling it.

Hm... good point. However, there was a second mansion, she could just have sold assets from that place.

>>3993728
Battler jumping out the window is about the midway point.

On the Knox rules.

Considering Tranquilizers.

Is that considered an unknown drug? I mean, that's my bet on the EP4 pitfall thing. Wouldn't strong enough tranquilizers induce the Hypnic jerk, or a falling down sensation?

>>3993716
I'm pretty certain Kinzo kept his most valueables in the hidden mansion so his children wouldn't soil them.

>>3993743
It's possible.
I mean if they pulled the whole stunt with Kinzo's study having chemicals, who is to say he doesn't have those.

Guys, anyone knows when Dawn is going to be released? I need to sleep pretty badly now, but I don't want to miss the chance to discuss Umineko without spoilers around.

>>3993733

He may have just planted it. The culprit might have been the one to arm it.

Regarding Episode 1:
Shannon is either really dead.
Or Kanon is lying about her death to Genji and Kumasawa.

Which means Either Genji and Kumasawa are innocent in episode 1 or Kanon is.

Battler overhears everything so this isn't a trick.
This actually happens.

>>3993756
Probably 12-48 hours.

I know, I'm awesome.

Kinzo set up us the bomb

>>3993758
Everyone dies because battler visited. Why would Kinzo rig it that way two years before his death? How? It doesn't make sense.

>>3993761
Kanon was confirmed dead by Nanjo and Jessica in EP1.

ONLY Nanjo and Jessica saw him for last time.

We already know Nanjo is a liar.

Jessica is the culprit/involved or Nanjo lied to her.

I don't remember exactly when. But didn't Kinzo say that the Ushiromiya Head would never be passed on and that the family line would end with him.

Foreshadowing?

>>3993761

That's an intressting point. But maybe all of them are working together to fool Battler. There is no way he could fool Genji's perfect hearing.

Jessica told Battler she'd blow up the mansion some day. Battler told her she's full of crap.
Battler is back, shit ensues.

>>3993782
No. Kinzo was dead. He couldn't have said that.

>>3993749
Uh, his magical tomes were locked in his study with him. Everyone was commenting on his collection when they entered as far back as Episode 1. And the stakes were valuable ceremonial tools (or so Kinzo believed at least).

Anyway, very old books require a great deal of care to maintain. Leaving them locked in Kuwadorian would just mean a major hassle whenever he wanted to store or peruse one. And he already had a random book depository in the guest house.

>>3993786
Also, this is totally unrelated to the murders, as Beatrice just wanted Battler to destroy her heart.

Anything involving talking to Kinzo for the last two years is a lie.

Can anyone tell me why couldn't Rosa assaulted the cousins herself? Would it violate Knox 8th?

>>3993782
>>3993793

It's different from what I remember but this...

>>3993806
That was what i thought too.
I mean, she's strong enough to carry all those golden bars, but not strong enough to carry some dead bodies around?

>>3993814

Where does he say that? Some flashback?

>>3993806
Because she's dead derp.

And if is like you say, is the same theory as "Everyone shoot at the same time" for the last murder in Ep1.

>>3993818
There's the whole after they were killed, they were not moved bit.

>>3993814
Yes. That screenshot is all false. It's a lie. It never happened. It was either a delusion or Beato trolling you.

>>3993825
In the very beginning of Episode 1

>>3993825
Beginning of Episode 1.
This probably happened during the 3 month period before he died.

>>3993818
She only took a single bar with her during ROSA MUSOU.

>>3993806
No, it would violate the red. "None of the bodies moved after they were killed." But we know that the bodies left those rooms. Therefore: None of the bodies in those rooms were dead. They faked it as a part of a plan, possibly worked out with Battler ahead of time.

Rosa still MIGHT have killed them all, as well as Krauss, but it didn't happen in the cousins bedroom.

>>3993818
The corpses weren't moved after their death.

Beatrice is an AI designed to be Kinzo's perfect waifu, but she became self-aware and rejected Kinzo
Everyone on the island has a brainchip thanks to Kinzo and Nanjo except newcomers like Gohda
The killings were done with mind hacks and gory optical illusions
Magic is just programs
Each family member has a part of a password needed to operate Beatrice's cyborg body, that can be obtained by killing them
Beatrice fell in love with Battler 6 years ago

>>3993837
oh, my miss.
The living bodies.

>>3993840
Get out SyFy devs.

>>3993840
Knox etc.

>>3993840
>Got their two loved sons killed by the hated ones
>Builds an AI
>Reject by the AI

OH DESIRE

>>3993840
Knox's 4th

>>3993849
Fuck them, Beatrice is a chinaman

>>3993853
The chinaman is a culprit. 5th rule was removed.

I'm rooting for a Battler-Erika end.
Who's with me?

>>3993861
Incest-end or bust.

Also where the heck do you think they keep Kinzo's body. It should be pretty rotten if he's been dead for two years.

>>3993861
I sure as hell am.

>>3993861

"So, just as I was saying, solving this riddle wasn't about the gold, at least for me. No, my pleasure is something much, much mo--"

THUD

"-!!! What was that for?! You bru--"

THUD

As you violently drive your fist for the second time in Erika's face, you can finally feel like a good spot has been hit. For the first time in the past minutes, her annoying, obnoxious voice is silenced.

Her slender, fragile body quickly gives in, and she conveniently lands in the nearby sofa. But you know Erika would not let it end with something like this. You know very well this curveless and light body would not hold back the strong-willed girl Erika was.
Somehow managing to stand up, she covers her nose and asks in a dry voice that would almost be funny, weren't you so serious.

"A-Anonymous, have you lost your mind? We finally found the gold! Just as we leave this room, you are the new head!"

>>3993867
I'm with this man.
That's kinda sad knowing that Ryu probably doesn't give a shit to BattlerxAnge shippers.

So kinzo wants to leave behind nothing. Beatrice is a girl that he abused that knows about his plan to kill everyone and blow up the island. Battler was the only person that was ever nice to her (see pony theory), so she leaves behind clues to try to warn him about the coming disaster. The person who solves the epitaph however gets the gold and the knowledge of the bomb.

Why don't you guys read a real VN like the vastly superior Fate/Stay Night?

>>3993869
Natsuhi's bed

>>3993873
...go on.

>>3993840
Also, everything on the island is created by nanomachines, and is getting destroyed and reconstructed each time the "game" resets
No-one vists the island anymore, so the island is really cut from the rest of the world

So has anyone else realized Erika is almost a perfect parody of a Mary Sue?

Mary Sue: Is related to someone important in the plot, Is loved by everyone, fixes all the problems and is disgustingly skillful, then dies or has to leave in a tragic way. Is hated by fans.

Erika: Is the clone of someone from the Meta story. Everyone hates her, even her "mother". Makes all the problems worse despite being on the protaganists' team. Is supposed to die but sticks around to be a pain in the ass. Is loved by fans

>>3993869
Pick one

[] Boiler room
[] Inside Natsuhi's bed
[] Kuwadorian
[] Kinzoburger

>>3993875
But...Erika followed Battler to the "Golden Land" and there were no signs of bomb.
And as we know Erika was the detective so her POV is objective.

>>3993861
Dlanor would be BEST END.

I'm really surprised. After seeing so much of Erika being posted on this board and others, I didn't expect Dlanor to be the breakaway character in this episode. But she easily catapulted all the way to the top of ALL the magical characters in my books. Aside from Beato, but I'm not really counting her.

>>3993873

But you won't let her finish. After all, you have grown tired of this girl. Her irritanting tone, her manners, her arrogance. All of this led you to decide. You are going to violate Erika, right here, right now.

She notices this, and suddenly her expression contorts into the face of someone who just met a lion in the kitchen. She realizes that Anonymous-san, that calm and self-contained man is now after her. She tries to scream, but you forcefully cover her mouth with your left hand.

"Let me go! Let me go you filthy thing!", she screams in the brief moments she manage to break from your hand. But it's no use. You have the advantage.

Carefully, you start to undress her with your right hand. The curves of her shoulders are soft and slim, making a excellent apéritif for what's coming next.
As you keep taking her dress off, you notice something. She wasn't wearing a bra. Of course, such things aren't needed for a girl with a body like her's, but this only works as a spice to make the main dish even more interesting.

"So what? I don't like wearing them, so what?! Nobody cares anyway, why should I care?! Let me go--!"

>>3993887
>despite being on the protaganists' team.
wat
Erika is almost in direct oposition from Battler.

>>3993887
most people, she's a parody of a mary sue and of the typical detective in mystery novels, aslo the extree of teh anti-fantasy. She's a good character in terms of what she represents

Erika has the flattest chest in Umineko.
Even flatter than Maria.

>>3993889
You forgot
[]Under the Bed

>>3993894

She starts screaming in that obnoxious way again. It had the surrealistic feeling of a meal that was gracefully asking to be eaten. So you had no further options beside granting that wish. With a last and stronger movement, you finish ripping her dress apart. This, however, makes her fall back to the bed.

Erika's nudity lies almost fully exposed before you now. Her slim waists and tender breasts are revealed in the dim golden light of the VIP room. The only thing that lies in your path, are the white, small panties she wears.

"Go away, you useless piece! J-Just die and leave me be!!"

As she finishes speaking those words with a crying voice, you feel a sharp pain on your knees. Kicking you with all her remaining might, she struggles in vain, for with doing this, she just served the main course.

You grab her panties and start dragging them towards you...

>>3993896
Yes. Technically they started on the same team however.

>>3993903
That was when it was Bern-Lambda-piece Battler.

I don't think there will be romantic ending.
If Battler manage to get back to his world then he will re-unite with Ange,Rudolf and Kyrie.
That is his ultimate prize.

I'm toying around with the thought that the Kinzo scenes weren't necessarily lies, and happened. Just not on the days of the family conference.

For example, Kinzo's will during episode 2. He may have composed it already a few years back. It's interesting because that will contains the part of the "truth". It outlines Kinzo's game history and game plans, i.e. how he met Beatrice.

The culprit might have gotten a hold of it.

I wonder what will become of Bern after this.
Will she get erased, or win the game?

>>3993892
>Erika followed Battler to the "Golden Land" and there were no signs of bomb.

5th Game lacks love
LOVE HAS POWER ENOUGH TO BLOW UP A ENTIRE MANSION

>>3993908
>he'll be reunited with Ange, Rudolf and the mastermind

great

Also question....
Battler is now GM so doesn't that mean HE MAKES THE GAME?
What is the point?

>>3993907
No. It was meta battler. Originally Bern was there to "help" him.

>>3993910

Too many "evil character" flags raised. Calling death/erasing now.

>>3993916
Now Erika has to solve it.

Enjoy Higurashi 2.

Literally.

>>3993910
She says "Fuck it i'm bored" and goes to the next When They Cry.

>>3993908
"Without love, it cannot be seen."

This episode hammered that point in pretty damn hard. Kind of impressive to see people are still resisting the lesson.

Beatrice is trying to send Battler a message through all of this. But that message can only be understood through mutual trust and love between them. Battler finally got it, which is how he solved the mystery and ascended to the position of Game Master.

>>3993910
She and Lambda will be forced to deny each other out of existence. Calling it now.

>>3993902
>>3993894
>>3993873
Too copypasta. Insert lines like "Noo I'm the detective so I can't be raped!" to increase believability.

>>3993923
The love story of a guy and a bomb.

For those who missed the 98% riddle solving please read
or save this link: http://privatepaste.com/3c08fce4af

I believe Battler has stated that Lambda and Bern had helped him by hijacking the 6th game and keeping things moving. He believes they did it in a round about way. I'm not sure I believe it wasn't intentional. After all, Beato trolled him just as bad.

>>3993916

It's a test to prove he understands the Truth. If he sets the game up perfectly and shows his understanding of events is correct, he wins. If he wins this game, the next episode would probably detail the creation of the Everyone Lives ending.

>>3993926
>Too copypasta. Insert lines like "Noo I'm the detective so I can't be raped!" to increase believability.
Don't forget swimsuits, ductape, <good>, footjobs, and this level of reasoning.

>>3993926

I'll take notes regarding this.

>>3993933
Doesn't using gold already prove that?

I want to believe Lambda was just trolling Battler with that Angeburger thing. I WANT TO BELIEVE.

Do you think we'll ever go back to Beato's system of leading people to the truth? I mean, that was the original purpose of the various colored text.

I think it's pretty much abused and fucked over now.

Maybe Battler can make Erika see the love? Through hardcore trolling of course.

>>3993933
Episode 7 will be a perfect family conference where Kinzo eventually comes out and passes on the headship to krauss, all the children confess to their sins and resolve their problems and the two couples among the servants and cousins get together happily.

Then the bomb goes off.

>>3993942
Beato just as fucked up things. It's possible.

During the game, does Erika ever revisit the cousins' room after the discovery of the bodies? (The room with the "dead" Gerorge, Jess, Rosa, and Maria).

>>3993942

I'm sure that if you believe enough a [MIRACLE] will occur, Anonymous! Such is the power of [MAGIC]!

Anyone has even a slightest hint what EP6 is about?

>Maybe Battler can make Erika see the love?
YES PLEASE.

>>3993950
So it will be like the minagoroshi arc in Higurashi.

>>3993939

Not enough apparently. Read it in some Ryukishi interview somewhere.

>>3993950
>Kinzo eventually comes out and passes on the headship to Battler
fixed

>>3993950
I approve of this.

>>3993958

Can't someone just rape her really mercilessly as that guy from the pasta suggested?

>>3993957
Battler controls the game LIKE A BOSS

Also Ange

>>3993957
Angeburgers,FLASHBACKS and hot furniture sexing.
Also Battler is trolling.

>>3993976

Goddamnit guys, stop this obssesion with the word "trolling" at once.

You sound like the retards from /a/.

>>3993971
The two couples and what is suit Beato.

>>3993980
Tewikastel approves trolling

>>3993980
________

>Kinzo eventually comes out and passes on the headship to Kumasawa. The adults don't even hide their guns before shooting everyone down. Nobody is left alive.

>>3993995
But Kumasawa is Kinzo in disguise.

>>3993971

How about Battler crapping over the murder patterns? A single person dies, say Battler, and everyone focuses on solving that single mystery.

It will be full of ACCUSATIONS and INFIGHTING and CHESSBOARD FLIPPING. Fuck, I just want to see Kyrie kick everyone's intellectual ass.

Episode 6 should continue the whole listening to Battler sleep bit and have him wake up with Erika at the foot of his bed.

>>3993950
Kinzo comes out and says he will pass on the title and gold to the last family left alive. Cue free for all bloodbath.

>>3994002
Because that's EP5.

>>3994002
>Battler becomes the GM
>Battler is the first one to die

Bern and Lambda will laugh like there's no tomorrow.

>>3994002
>Fuck, I just want to see Kyrie kick everyone's intellectual ass.

THIS, THIS THIS. There isn't enough Kyrie. I'm pretty fucking sure we haven't even seen the tip of the Iceberg regarding her past. Same goes for Rosa, but she had the spotlight enough.

tldr KYRIEKYRIEKYRIEKYRIE

EP 8 will be Battler back at EP 1 but with all of his memories.
He will try to prevent all of this shit by himself.
And i assure you he can't save everyone.

>>3993902
>>You grab her panties and start dragging them towards you...

then she goes: "why are you doing this?"
and he answers: "you call yourself an intelectual rapist, right? well, i'm of the other, physical type."

>>3994021
That is because the story is leading up to something very important regarding Battler's birth, and she likely plays no small part in relation to that story, especially with relation to Asumu etc.

R07 is probably saving that for last.

>>3994028
inb4 only Battler survives

>>3994037
you forgot the DOHOHOHOHOHO

>>3994028

So it will be a pure gameboard episode chronicling his growing despair at not being able to save his family?

Then whole thing turns into a cat and mouse fight with the killer whose hunting them all down? Then System0 plays again and makes people shit bricks.

>>3993971

Also.

Erika sees and converses/fights against Suit Beato. Everyone shits bricks.

>>3994043
Battler will know who and why is killing at this moment,but he can't show this to relatives.
Some people cannot be saved and yes it would be fight between Battler and culprit.

>>3994028
He will probably stop the original murders, but the family members die anyway a different way that still matches the character motivations. Just like with the vase breaking.

I can only say for sure that Episode 6 can't come fast enough.

I'm currently using ATLAS and i gonna blog a bit:
Having to add words is fucking tiring, I had to did it to read ep5 and now again for ep6 because I changed my computers
SHIT SUX

Just for the record.

Is the Culprit the same in all games?

hello im Beatrice the Golden join my community of witches if you payme enough i will give you access to a private area of golds ;)

ABOUT THE BIG BOMB THEORY.

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konami_Code the first game to utilize said Konami Code was Gradius, released in 1986. How could the epitath, written before 1986 use the Konami Code? This also refutes the idea that Battler's sin was inputting the Konami Code.

>>3994077

So that's where it ends, /jp/. I am impressed.

>>3994075
BABY DON'T HURT ME

>>3994061
Is it possible to share the list of words if you already have one?

>>3994061
How do you exactly use ATLAS to read Umineko?
You can't copy-paste the text from Umineko to ATLAS...

>>3994077
holy mother of christ

>>3994075
red text

>>3994077
>>3994080
and CCS wasn't released in TV till late 90s and it already appears in higurashi and umineko as the magical girl in tv and the base of Sakutaro's name, opinions?
The game is full of anachronism, so the code should be ok

>>3994085
OK, first you have to download AGTH and ATLAS v14
then and before anything,you have to start adding words to the dictionary k?, go to the wikipedia, add the names of every character, the places and also from Kuwadorian(somewhere on the internet). Go to the WH web, for the epitaph and verbs like gouge and so on, any important word. Laso add yourself while the translation continues.
OK, now you have a more or less good ATLAS
Supposing yuo have the game, start it, then open the task manager, go to the second column, click see, choose column and click show PID. Then you copy the PID of this game
you then create a direct access icon for agth, and in the direction you write /PXXXX, where these X are the four numbers of the PID. After this you start it whitch this direct icon and the AGTH should be now linked to umineko, just clisk on the umineko screen to see if it reacts, it should.

>>3994085
Then you open your ATLAS and click on quickatlas, an icon in the taskbar should appear, right click it and choose automatic clipboard translation, it should start translating everything, incluing AGTH.

AFter this, start the game and with the AGTH choose the channel till you see the same characters that appear in the screen, then ATLAS will start trasnlating

ADVICE: you get a LITERAL translation of everything, so the understanding is up to you, being a native english speaker hinders you, you have to reorganize the sentence and make it understandable

>>3994075

Eyes.

Duh.

>>3994077
Continued: Then again, R07 might have known this, and just decided to make the setting of Umineko the same year the Konami Code was released.

>EP 8 will be Battler back at EP 1 but with all of his memories.
>He will try to prevent all of this shit by himself.
Umineko Extra, Umineko Unlimited, Umineko ALTERNATIVE.

>>3994089
>>3994093
I am assuming you read EP5 this way.
Is it worth the effort?

I just use AGTH's auto copy to clipboard function and then copy the text in an html files with a shitload of text flieds and use Rikaichan to identify the Kanji I can't read.

>>3994077
Don't they reference a novel that's supposed to be written later at some point?

Can I have the links for the already patched version of episodes 1-4? And is there one for EP5 yet?

>>3994191

No patched version for EP 5 yet.

Ep. 1-4

http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=torrentinfo&tid=44990

http://www.mediafire.com/?tnjw2ngnymh
http://www.mediafire.com/?cedlhzimo0t
http://www.mediafire.com/?anayoghj20d
http://www.mediafire.com/?enmvz1y2nf2
http://www.mediafire.com/?wxzyjyme0no
http://www.mediafire.com/?tjj3wmkvom2
http://www.mediafire.com/?mmdmxwzl0mm
http://www.mediafire.com/?ykjdnmwdxhm
http://www.mediafire.com/?o12mizy5egd
http://www.mediafire.com/?mj1fjne0tzy
http://www.mediafire.com/?zoaaamzzdjy
http://www.mediafire.com/?ujtmqou4ydh
http://www.mediafire.com/?yomnmmomzmm
http://www.mediafire.com/?3quuyjmf01n

>>3994077
<Good>

>>3994145
I am not the Anon you are asking but i read EP 5 this way and well...it's kinda tedious,but if you copy all the names,places and crucial things(epitah,stakes...)it will be readable.
Maybe not fluent and sometimes sentence will make no sense,but you will get plot overall.
However as i said it's tedious(especially preparations).

>>3994126

The various chapters are already in this format anyway. See higu.

>>3994145
I say it is.
You don't have to wait 4 months for WH and if you add all Umineko related vocabulary, it will decent.

>>3994145
Instead of "Everybody had run to the gueshouse" i got "All people are in the guesthose".
It's pretty DERP.

>>3993928
>>3993928
>>3993928
Oh fuck, not BRAID again!!!!

>>3994278
probably from 行っている or some other

>>3994126
> Umineko Extra, Umineko Unlimited, Umineko ALTERNATIVE.
So 1 was was Extra, 2-7 are unlimited and 8 is ALT?
I'm okay with this.

Any one want to upload their Atlas Dictionary then?

>>3994323
You shouldn't be.

>>3994089
>>3994093
I can't believe someone made a copypasta of my more or less instructions for using AGTH and ATLAS
-The one who was whining becasue the preparations because it was the second time I have to do this

>>3994126
Magic fights are replaced by mech fights
discuss

>>3994350
And as Battler disbelieves in magic he gets no mech and must use his coat-rack spear to win?

>>3994363
Nope, he gets killed by aliens while Beatrice gets tentacle raped

In Ep5 did anyone else feel horrible that their functioning knowledge of the Sengoku period from Rance kept them from getting lost in the conversation?

>>3994363
that would be EPIC, everyone wants tob see Battler and his cape+spear owning giant mechas

>>3994208
okay. so the links you gave me from EP1-4 do have the patch aready installed?

>>3994389

You caught me

>>3993902
Why isn't there more of this?

>>3994407
I was just about to ask for more myself.

Hate Erika and Bern, but love Rika. So I'm content with raping either of them.

>>3994075
WHAT IS LOVE

>>3994430
What about a 4-way with Rika, Bern, and Erika?

>>3994440
You get to hold Rika in your arms while DPing Erika with Bern.

Alternatively, Bern fucks you in the ass instead.

>>3994463
Why is Bern the one with the cock?

It makes sense I guess.

>>3994440
>>3994463
I hate Bern the most, but I'd be down for that I guess.

Then surprise Bern with anal rape.

So, it appears there's no more theory crafting for now?

>>3994517
I've been at it for 7 hours myself. I'm out of ideas.

>>3994517
Well, it seems we've arrived at the end point of all Seacats threads, which is "I want Bern to fuck me in the ass".

>>3994517

Gimme a day or so. I'm reviewing the rest of the games at the moment. I think I almost have it... it's practically on the tip of my tongue.

It's kind of like putting a puzzle together. All the puzzle pieces are on the table, I just have to put them all together. But the problem is that someone else poured the pieces of another puzzle on the table as well, so I need to sort through them all and find out which pieces belong to which puzzle.

Quite a few anons are still having hangovers. Give it some time and theorycraft will be fully recharged.

>>3994545

Not a bad comparison, I don't wanna know the amount of time I've spent crafting theories only to discard them again. For now I'm looking forward to episode 6.

>>3994545
>It's kind of like putting a puzzle together. All the puzzle pieces are on the table, I just have to put them all together. But the problem is that someone else poured the pieces of another puzzle on the table as well, so I need to sort through them all and find out which pieces belong to which puzzle.

This is a surprisingly accurate explanation of what the fucks going on in umineko.

>>3994624
More like 20 puzzles, and someone has purposefully drawn over some pieces on his own, and each day you look at it, rearranges your work.
Then you realize that you should just stop wasting time with this bullshitting and wait see how the picture is formed by someone who knows.

>>3994648

You sir, do not understand love.

>>3994648
hur durr i cant make any theories so it sucks hurrrr

>>3994610
Anon that was in earlier discussions here.

Give us some time to think a little more

I want Bern to fuck me in the ass.

>>3994648
You, sir, do not have love.

Where is the Erika rape?

You said there would be Erika rape.

Anyone have a list of current loose ends through out Episode 5? All I can think of so far are:
-The Knock/Letter
-Time Skipping Forward at the End
-Phone Calls
-The End of the Game e.g. being suspended
-The nature of the Gold Truth
-Man from 19 years ago

I swear on Rika, if it's a fucking bomb i'm going to kill R07

>>3994987
Why?

>>3994911
>The Knock/Letter

I'm going say something really stupid here but don't laugh, i bet it's something like "X person threw the letter like a frisbee it glided & hit the door several times on the way down, the knocking sound was the ring bashing the door (thus a non existant hand hit the door)".

>>3994911
What about the ring inside the envelope? (Although that might be a issue for Episode 3 as well.)

>>3995052
That's about the same tier as "Nanjo moved faster than light to not be in the mansion at 24:00" and "Nanjo used Kinzo's hand to knock".

>>3995068
I'd consider that part of the letter/knock scenario.

>>3995052
I somehow doubt that this would pass by the red truth that they wouldn't mistake the sound of a knock. Our best bet for now is that the clock in the parlor was off, cred to the anon who commented on the awkward wording in this scene.

>>3994911
What happened to the corpses? Who moved them and when? Also how was it that it was stated in red that "After George's death, his corpse was never moved!"

>>3993902
Why the fuck did you stop? CONTINUE AT ONCE.

>>3995162
The cuts in the throat were made but held closed somehow until they could be moved to the beds, where the wounds opened and they died from blood loss. That way they were moved while still alive, but the killing blow was done outside of the room.

Kumasawa is the mastermind.

>>3995211
But then how did the corpse vanished afterward?

>>3995162
>>3995220
I wonder if moving the bed would count.

>>3995052
but the thing that knocked was a genuine hand

>>3995213
And killed everyone with her razor edged Mackerel, right?

>>3995220
Good point.
Maybe >>3995232 has it, or following the same train of thought, wrapping the bodies in the sheets and carrying them out, then putting the sheets back.

>>3995211
You know, this buggers me. Why do that? Why just not kill them then and move the bodies? What purpose could they possible have?

The only purpose would be screwing with the detective. You can even say moving the bodies would be easier after they die (people weigh a little less after dying... scientific fact), so why the fuck do that convoluted thing. It doesn't help incriminate Natsuhi, it doesn't help anything. It just seems for the lulz.

The only reason I can think of was giving all them the same cut (a non-letal one, but a cut nonetheless), but one of them (Rosa or George... or both!) were faking being out cold. Then they moved the bodies.

Erika never actually saw the face of the corpses, right?

>>3995239
Well when you knock you don't slap your hand on the door you make a fist & tap it, say you wore a large ring your hand wouldn't actually touch the door, the ring would make the noise.

Ring=hand.

Hey, /jp/. What's the deal with Jessica?
I don't have anything striking really against her, but she kinda rubs me the wrong way...
Am I just being paranoid?

>>3995276
The scene with her being called by Battler really sticks out in my mind.

Also, anyone have the red text regarding the letter, knock and people involved off hand, I can't be bothered to look again.

>>3993743
Previous thread's OP here, with some background knowledge on Knox's Decalogue.

"An Unknown Drug" was banned by him because a common theme in that era's "Mystery" books was that the main character (or another character) is actually put under the effects of "an unknown, mysterious drug" causing their interpretation of events to not be real, turning otherwise pivotal witnesses into providers of an alibi for the criminal.

This plot mechanic allows people whose lack of a relation to the criminal is established, yet whose testimonies are not true. This generally makes the mystery unsolvable.

>>3995289
http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Text

Search for yourself, I've been doing this way too many times already today. Also I agree that the scene with her being called by Battler ticked me off. It strikes me as a foreshadowing of Jessicatrice, but that may be just my wishful interpretation. There must be some meaning to it however, and I think it's more than just to show that the time moved foreward to 1986.

>>3995312
Thank you kindly. Now give me a moment to theory craft a bit.

>>3995257
>>3995258
That actually made me wonder. Did anybody actually check out Rosa's corpse at all, aside from noticing the blood there too?

>>3995289
This the scene you're talking about Anon?
Also, I think the idea of Beatrice being a bomb is silly. Even if it can explain a few things, it's rather silly. I mean, a bomb? The main female in this game is really a bomb? Come now...

I still think it's possible that Battler is Kinzo from the past who traveled into the future, but I think this might violate some Knox laws.

>>3995331

well, you know that old expression, "blonde bombshell"...

Regarding
>Everyone outside of the mansion could not do anything in the mansion after the family meeting started.
When exactly did the family meeting start?

So Shannon is the only person that Natsuhi told that she like the fall.
I'm guessing that's important since it's in red.

>>3995348
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

>>3995354
That can be circumvented by the guy having placed 4 different cards in 4 different places.
So either it's a red herring or a double troll.

>>3995354

Because Shannon is Beatrice.

>>3995369
Shannon is also Kanon.

>>3995375
Didn't they both appear in front of Erika?

>>3995387
Yes.

>>3995345
that violate the one about hard SCIENCE!

>>3995387
She's also an orange ninja from a far eastern village.

Nobody died in episode 5.
Battler discovered the gold and the bomb mechanism.
He realized that someone planned to murder everyone.
He made the plan with the cousins, they are just playing dead, purpose was for them to run away.
Erika played the attention whore and destroyed part of his plan though.

Something happen after the ending of the game and everyone die anyways though.

Alright, regarding the knock/ letter, the theory of it being due to clocks being off could be completely and totally denied by the following bit of red:
>Everyone outside of the mansion could not do anything in the mansion after the family meeting started.
Depending on when exactly the meeting started, this lowers the window for Nanjo to go from the Guest Room back to the Mansion.
Unless of course Nanjo, never actually left went to the Guest House with the rest, saying he forgot something or some such.
This would allow him to circumvent all the red regarding placing the letter.
I believe it would also allow him to be the person to knock on whatever door that was required to make the sound.

>>3995399
wat

>>3995440
Anyone have any thoughts on this?

>>3995623
maybe knocking on a door wouldn't be misinterpreted, but how about something other than a door? it would still be an actual knock and could still be misinterpreted because it wasn't on a door. also, maybe no one placed the letter outside the door but was held by kanon the entire time, and he pretended that the letter was found outside the door.