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Pretty fun and solid VN, short and sweet as well. Never got the chance to play it before despite it arguably being a VN that most people being introduced to the genre would read first. Really loved how the game didn't try to soften the blow of its content and right as you clicked start, you had the really irritating but fitting soundtrack accompanying the meat world and Fuminori's friends as disgusting blob monsters, really pulling me in and making me interested straight away.

Only issue I had with it was Ryoko, I kind of felt that her character was pointless outside of the first scene she appears in and unless I’m remembering wrong, she didn’t really have any reason to go after Saya..

>>39854063
>He learned to cope with the hand he was dealt at the cost of becoming more and more disconnected with the world around him
I found that interesting as well, like how a blind person adapts by having better senses or being able to easily remember the layout of their home despite not being able to see, Fuminori eventually began to realize how to tell things apart in the meat world he was seeing despite it mostly looking incomprehensible.

>If he somehow had something that wasn't Saya, I think he would have turned out a little better
I don't think that’s case. Everything was corrupted to him, with the only person being Saya, even he himself saying that he doesn’t believe he would have been able to go on without her being there. He was a man who needed a beacon of light and that’s what Saya was to him, just like how Saya needed him so she can learn how to love.

Kind of sad that I didn't take any screenshots of the game while i was playing so random booru art will have to do

>>39854225
>it arguably being a VN that most people being introduced to the genre would read first
It really felt like a starting point to me. The story was pretty simple, there wasn't very much going on so you could easily predict what would happen next. I don't really mind that though. It was definitely fun though. I liked that it didn't take itself too seriously, while also not being zany. Too much focus on the horror would killed it.

>Only issue I had with it was Ryoko
Ryoko was okay. Her reason for going after Saya was that she couldn't live comfortably in a world with such a thing. She couldn't just write off what happened and move on. It's hard to feel safe knowing of a specific danger. I'd compare it to being afraid of a snake in the woods. It probably won't be an issue for you, and it's almost certainly not the most dangerous thing out there, but a lot of people are especially scared of them.

>He was a man who needed a beacon of light
I meant if he had some other beacon of light. That wouldn't have been fun though. Obviously he would have killed himself if not for Saya as he said early on, but if he somehow managed to find another reason to live, he wouldn't have fallen as far as he had.
Saya was a really good character, I think. They handled her well. She may have had human-like characteristics, but she was still clearly not human. She didn't have human reasons to do most of the notable things she did other than Yoh. She only did that due to human influence. Even if she was good at it, she was still simply mimicking humanity.

Very disappointed I never got around to reading this earlier. The sense of dread the whole way though was fantastic. I did find the rape scenes a bit unnecessary though, Saya being raped hurt me and I would've preferred to keep to only Saya. Besides that massive fan of the soundtrack, added so much more ambience to it.

>>39854776
Picture was meant to be of best girl.

>>39854542
>Her reason for going after Saya was that she couldn't live comfortably in a world with such a thing
I guess for me that's just not enough of a reason for her to go after Saya, I just found it very unbelievable how at first she’s a doctor and then all of a sudden seems to be some kind of secret spy trying to destroy the works of Ogai but that might just be me
.

>>39854776
>rape scene
I wasn't a fan of that either. I'm by no means a RAPE BAD STOP SHOWING IT BOOHOO kind of person, it just felt unnecessary and there to add shock value rather then to be something that deeply affected Saya.

>>39854776
>spoiler
I didn't like it either. I was really hoping Fuminori was going to get back just in time. Saya was just too pure for that...
>fan of the soundtrack
I liked it too. It felt similar to Akira Yamaoka's stuff to me.
>>39854790
But you posted her. The only thing a man needs in life is a Honda Accord.

This was very cute. Really did date the VN but brought me back to simpler times. Just a shame it was on a bad ending

If you're going to read babies first popular VN at least start with yume miru kisuri like everybody else over a decade ago, or just jump into muv luv

>>39855991
It's what the people voted for

What do you think Saya actually looked like? I think she looked like some sort of flesh slime with tentacles and other strange protrusions.
>>39855991
It was a vote. We'll get to better stuff at some point. I think this was a good choice for the first thread, with it being really short and simple.
Just to see how things go.

>>39855991
maybe next month, I've wanted to go back and fuck the everloving shit out of the drug addicted cat girl again for a while.

>>39854063
For late comers.

Saya no Uta / Song of Saya
Play time: ~7h
>Rot. Decay. A wasteland of twisted, pulsing flesh. Sakisaka Fuminori survives a terrible accident only to find himself trapped in a nightmare with no escape. His friends offer him comfort and support, but their warmth cannot reach his frozen soul. Then he meets a mysterious girl named Saya, and little by little, his madness begins to infect the world.

GOG: https://www.gog.com/en/game/the_song_of_saya_directors_cut
VNDB: https://vndb.org/v97
MEGA: https://mega.nz/folder/58ZWHZjY#0u3U-Uas2niodyoYwJyQmw
Torrent: https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2414602
Alt DDL: https://erogedownload.com/downloads/song-of-saya/

>>39856036
>>39856234
Oh, I didn't know it was a vote.

>>39856366
Ah shit. I forgot to put that into the OP. Thanks.

>>39854776
>Saya rape scene
It does establish a relevant fact: Saya is not physically strong and can be overpowered if her assaulter isn't concerned with her true appearance.

I found it a little so-so. I felt it was in need for more playtime.
I was expecting it to dive more in what Saya is, or how she was developed. It was a bit too grim for me, but the fact that I felt bad in the end is a big plus, given what Saya and Fuminori did.
The ero scenes were very good. As for my favourite part, it was the whole isolated cabin thing.
Like others mentioned, slowly Fuminori adjusting to his condition was cool.
I wonder if it was possible to prevent his friends from dying. Poor Yoh-san..

I would still recommend it, even if it wasn't fully to my taste. Good way to get into VNs, that's for sure.

I like this /jp/ reads thing. I hope we'll get to read more VNs together.

>>39859292
>I felt it was in need for more playtime.
I agree. I feel they could have provided a lot more detail. It feels like they only provided the necessities for the story.
>It was a bit too grim for me, but the fact that I felt bad in the end is a big plus
It was definitely a bit much at times, but that's just the kind of story it is. It almost has a "classic" horror movie feel to it. By that, I mean those popular films like Friday the 13th or Halloween. It's not something you really need to think about too much.
>I hope we'll get to read more VNs together.
I'll keep it going so long as there is interest and I am able.

Is this mainstream yet so I can sell my shitty American comics version to some sucker

This scene was just mind bendingly hot. Something about her acting completely without humanity (compared to it usually being subtle) talking about You as nothing but a piece of meat for their enjoyment just tickled me right. Highlight of the VN in my opinion. It was a sick reminder that I will never find a psychopathic girlfriend.

What were your expectations before going into the story and how did it compare with what you got?
Having only read the introductory blurb on VNDB, I expected to see the MC's personal journey about learning how to handle a world that has soured him so much he sees it as rotten.
What I got was a Call of Cthulhu RPG session mostly told through the villain's pov.

>>39862970
>What were your expectations before going into the story and how did it compare with what you got
I didn't know much about it other than it was meant to be body horror and a cute loli, which is what I got but I expected a bit more from the body horror and gore side of the story. Got plenty of cute loli though. I was also expecting Fuminori to go flat out insane rather than growing use to it and taking drastic measures to protect the life he had with Saya.

>>39862970
I thought it was going to be boring and have a nice ending. Basically the same as you. I'm glad it wasn't that way.

This made me remember that I once promised some random Canadian guy I met in a bar in Tokyo that I would play this VN since his waifu was Saya. I got there in the end even if it took me a few years longer than I intended

>be that smart to calculate mersenne primes
>die in an obvious trap with liquid nitrogen
yeah this ending is dumb

>>39864830
I don't think you can trust anyone whose waifu is a people eater at best and an apocalyptic scenario at worst.

>>39869146
In that case, I think there are a lot of people on /jp/ you can't trust.

I've thought of a change in the schedule. I want to see how everyone else feels about it.
I think it'd be better to start voting on the next VN on the 4th wednesday of every month. It'd make it a bit more practical to finish something a bit longer. It'd allow for more options for the vote. It'll also let those of us done discussing to move on sooner, while everyone else can continue if they want.
I'll wait to decide depending on how the thread goes from here, but so far this seems like a better schedule.

>>39869578
I interpreted the voting and discussion would share the same thread since it'd be tidier on the catalog that way. I assumed the vote was going to come along later in this thread's lifespan. Is the voting thread you're proposing in addition to the 1st and 3rd Wednesday meets or as a substitute to one of them?

>>39869737
Change or no change, I don't want to have more than one thread a month if we can avoid it. We'll try to get everything sorted in this thread. No sense in killing any more threads than we have to.
What I'm suggesting would make it easier to keep things in one monthly thread, instead of potentially prolonging this thread just to keep a schedule. It'd also give us a longer time period to read the VNs.
In short, I'd like to reduce the discussion period by a week. We can continue discussing past that point, but I'd like to make sure everything gets done without the thread dying before we get to voting.

>>39869836
Sounds good. Will also give a chance to try longer VNs without it becoming a slog to get through in time.

Reread it for the first time in over a decade and it's been interesting going through it again with a new perspective on things. The main takeaway being that Saya did absolutely nothing wrong. Or rather, she can't be faulted for what she did.
While she may be a disgusting flesh monster, she is every bit the cruelly innocent little girl that Fuminori sees her as. Sure she may have killed Omi and did some other inhumane things but that's only because she doesn't know any better. She's a kid burning ants without anyone around to tell her that it's wrong.
The Doctor certainty wasn't going to do it as he saw Saya as a research subject and influencing her too much would skew his observations. Fuminori had a chance once he realized that Saya was eating human meat, but I can't blame him for joining her.

That part really was the turning point for him. He was handling his condition relatively well until he became a cannibal. After that, there was no longer any attempt to see the flesh monsters as human. It would've been interesting if there was a choice there. Maybe chastising Saya could've lead to a true good end. It may have made her think twice before messing with the neighbor and it's not like she needed to eat humans to survive. She was doing fine eating small animals and spare organs.Fuminori could gradually adjust to his condition with Saya supporting him. He was able to drive by the end of the VN, who knows how much progress he could make in a year or two. He might've eventually reached the point where humans no longer disgust him. If that were the case, then Saya could cure his condition and give him a chance to love her as she truly is. Eventually there might come a time where Saya could be introduced to the world. She is highly intelligent and capable of communication after all.
But that's just wishful thinking. Humanity probably wouldn't be ready for the existence of a living blob even if they could have a conversation with it. Omi going missing would cause problems too and it would be asking way to much of Fuminori to stay sane for that long. Not to mention, a happy ending like that wouldn't fit with the tone of the story. Saya's purpose for being there is also an issue. Although, it seems like she had some control over molding the world in her image. She changed the world both because she loved Fuminori and because she wanted to make the world a more comfortable place for him. If Fuminori didn't want the world to be changed then it's possible that she could prevent herself from blooming, but we don't know enough about Saya to say for sure.

>>39871803
>Saya did absolutely nothing wrong
>Or rather, she can't be faulted for what she did
Pretty much, even Ogai says that he spoiled a monster like it was a child and even the rape scene tells us just how mentally immature she still was

>Saya could cure his condition and give him a chance to love her as she truly is
I think even without prolonged exposure to his condition still would've left him in love with Saya in the bad end, Fumi can already tell what Saya truly is and doesn't seem to mind but Saya is afriad he wont, that scene was pretty touching for me

>>39869407
You have a point. It seems youkai propaganda is more effective than I expected.

>>39856234
I imagined her to be a slime monster due to the descriptions of her goo. I was surprised she was never revealed but I think its better this way. Adds a bit to the mystery as I cant explain why but I believe she looks nothing like what humans turn into.

>>39871803
I dont think a true good end would suit the story to be honest. At its core this is an extremely twisted love story and thats where its strength lies. Fuminori giving up his humanity and becoming a monster for the only "normal" thing in his world even once he realised what she truly is was makes such a sweet story, for it to backflip and pull a happily ever after ending wouldnt sit right. I feel like no matter what this story was always destined to end on a bad end in some way, there was no way their love was sustainable and thats how it worked best. Either of the endings honestly fit the VN best be either Saya dying to Ryoko's hand or her fufilling her mission and creating a new world for Fuminori. Bittersweet is the best way to describe the story imo

>>39854063
Talking about Saya no Uta, I played it again some weeks ago and felt that some new translations had way more impact for me than the English one, you guys should check them out

>>39879247
anon these aren't new, check out URL
https://vndb.org/r91393
https://ons-en-fr.neocities.org/redefine/saya-ponscr/index_en.htm

Now that it's been a few days since reading it, I'm a bit disappointed. I guess I expected a little more from the VN. It's a really cool medium though. I'm sure we'll read something I'll really like.

>>39874422
>I dont think a true good end would suit the story to be honest. At its core this is an extremely twisted love story and thats where its strength lies
You're right. But it's fun to imagine how that relationship would work long term, if at all.
This ending >>39855295 is as close as it gets to being objectively good. Have to wonder what became of Saya afterwards though.

>>39874422
I think it makes sense that saya is never depicted at any scene but is rather a rough idea of something so terrible after all she's an eldritch abomination and they're too terrible to ever be imagined with a humans mind. There's other media where she is depicted but most of it is lacklustre

>>39856486
It also makes what happens to Yoh unquestionably an act of cruelty since Saya doesn't have the excuse of not knowing how awful it is.

>>39872021
I think Saya was correct to believe Fumi wouldn't be able to handle her actual form. We can see that Fumi's rationality does not overrule his senses during the opening scene. His rational mind knew these monsters were actually his friends; that his perceptions were not reality, so he still tried to hang out with them. He couldn't help but to find them horrifying, repulsive and exhausting to be around and through no fault of their own he grew to hate them for it. He retreated to Saya because she was the only inoffensive part to his senses.

If Saya cured him and let him see her as actual form, she knew the same process would occur. His rational mind would keep trying to reaffirm his love to her but his senses would be disgusted. This disgust would eventually dictate his feelings and then his behavior, as it did with his friends. Except now instead of finding a sole source of refuge in Saya, he could go literally anywhere else to be rid of the assault on the senses.

>>39856234
>What do you think Saya actually looked like?
With the bits and pieces of her we see in the CGs and the slime trails she leaves while moving, I imagined her to be similar to a roper. I also suspected she had to be at least vaguely humanoid in shape. Fuminori's senses were warped but he wouldn't be able to interact with things well if his perception altered the general shapes of things. But now that I'm thinking about it, it's not like the monsters Fuminori saw his friends as were human shaped.

And then there's Saya's ability to fit in a 5cm space between couch and floor. Maybe she really is just some sort of amorphous mass.

>>39855295
>pic
Can I get an explanation on this? Contextually, I understand it was Fuminori's love confession but I don't know what the letters represent.

>>39854063
One thing I'm curious about is if the protagonist can still be considered human when he end up twisted the way he is and do what he did.
Is humanity a physical or a mental thing ?
What about his crush ?

>>39903680
Anon, I hope you are joking. Think about when this was made and what phones they are using.

>>39903796
I didn't really get it either at first. I overthought it.

>>39903796
I'm not joking and I feel retarded for not understanding something from my time. I know it's a flip phone and multiple letters were assigned to a number. Is he literally just fidgeting with it by tapping out the letters on each button?

>>39903945
Oh fuck I just got it.

I was reading it wrong.

>>39903945
Phones used to have a keyboard with three letters for each buttons, you need to stop at the last letter of each line to understand his input.

>>39903958
Yeah, I JUST realized that the writing was showing him go through each input instead of just showing the final message. Just in time for me to feel dumb. Thanks anyway anon.

I read Saya no Uta in Japanese about a half year ago and I got to say that it really to this day was a story that touched and stayed with me, it is truly amazing how Urobuchi manages to make the most disgusting, dreadful monster into a lovable character so much that in the choice between the world and their love I want to justify the sacrifice of humanity... that's unheard of and insane, but in my mind the circumstances considered makes it acceptable. I think that speaks for how great a lovestory it is.

In the ending where saya dies I felt sad over how unfair it was. Fuminori really had no choice other than suicide and of course he will do what he can to survive, painting that situation in a bad light like he is pure evil felt terrible, after all there truly was no world where Fuminori could spend his days in peace together with Saya, which makes everything feel all the more unfair to the extent that my favorite ending and imo the good ending is when the world changes to fit the love of Fuminori and Saya

But I really liked the emotional rollercoaster that it was, it made quite the impact on me.

Has anyone read it in both English and Japanese? Are there any differences in translation that are worth noting?

I have four choices picked out for the next vote. I think six was too many, Four should be enough, right?

>>39914016
Four is a good amount

>>39914016
Sounds good.

I played it a long time ago and this thread is making me replay it, I went with the newer version and translation. God I love it, even when it's hurting me.

I've never had a waifu but I don't know now, Saya is just something else.

Hated most of the sex scenes, both because they feel like an unnecessary addition made only as a concession to the demands of the market and because they are cruel in a way I didn't find congruent with the protagonist. Sure you can make any sort of argument for placing them there, and why his behavior is so deranged/deviant by that point, but to me they were just not the same tone as the rest of the material. It just felt like "oh yeah, we have erotic scenes too!". Yoh's fate is already terrible enough.

>>39917408
Oddly enough I thought the Yoh one was the most important of all. It helped to establish how much he had abandoned his humanity. Everything else he did was brushed away since he viewed them not as a person but as a monster. The rest could be unnecessary but it is what a loving couple does anyway so whats the harm

>>39856234
>What do you think Saya actually looked like?
Somewhere between a shambling mound and a gelatinous cube? But maybe more deep dream/psychedelic looking.

>>39855295
yeah i remember typing this exact text on a T9 many times while i was drunk

some things don't change

any recs on similar dark themes/short length VNs?

>>39917968
https://vndb.org/p4969

Don't expect too much, it's practically a one-man show here but I have to admit I'm fond of Butterfly Affection.

I used to see Fuminori in a sympathetic light, but not as much as Saya nowadays. I believe Fuminori huffing all those paint fumes in his schizo-painted house only worsened his condition and he either didn't know (which is retarded since he'd a med school student and should know the effects) or didn't care (which doesn't make sense since he'd want stay alive for Saya)
There's a lot of flaws with the story, but it's always had a special place in my heart for the contrast between inner/outer horror and beauty, and how the characters give you so much mixed feelings that you can't fully hate or love them

To wrap up discussion, I'd like to ask for a simple 1-10 rating, to get an idea on the general opinion on the VN. I may use it sometime in the future.

>>39926571
7

>>39926571
Flawed gem, 8/10.

10/10 it's not even that good but I love it please no buli

>>39926571
Solid 7/10
I feel like it could've fleshed out the characters a bit more since there is zero real reason for the read to side against Saya unless they really hated her (why would you even read it if you did) or even just give the read more Saya.
Still and enjoyable read, looking forward to the next one

>>39926924
reader*
Made that typo twice

Did you guys notice the link to the Staff Commentary that unlocks after completing the game? It leads to a JP web page and might have something interesting. Too bad I can't read it because the official translation never touched it and I'm EOP.
http://www.nitroplus.co.jp/secret/saya/enter_ln.html

>>39927010
I can't read moonrunes either but stuff like this makes me sad I pirated it instead of buying it, assuming this is the devs talking about the thought and passion that went behind it

>>39926571
For me I would rate it quite high since I actually found it readable and interesting. 90% of VNs I would rate very low. 8/10.

Saya eats afro

Alright. Time to start the voting for the next VN.
Two choices are from the last vote. They got a decent amount of votes. I'll think about a better system later. I want to keep them in circulation in case anyone was especially interested in one.
This month's choices:
Kara no Shoujo (~24h) - https://vndb.org/v810
Yukizakura (~14h) - https://vndb.org/v71
Yume Miru Kisuri (~17h) - https://vndb.org/v44
AIR (~27h) - https://vndb.org/v36

https://strawpoll.com/polls/wby5l1W9dZA

I'll make the results visible this time, and I'll post whatever wins once voting slows down. Hopefully these choices are fine.

>>39928014
Damn, all of these are ones that I had wanted to read or reread at some point, tough choice

i love her

I'm going to end the vote soon, so if you haven't voted, go ahead and do that.

>>39939021
Maybe leave it a bit. It hasn't even been 24 hours

>>39939050
Alrighty. I'll leave it up until I wake up tomorrow.

was my first vn before higurashi and umineko changed my life forever

Bump before bed. Night, /jp/.

Great thread. Doctor best character.

Speaking of Nitroplus games, how good is Tokyo Necro? Japanese is not a problem.

Looks like Kara no Shoujo wins.
vndb: https://vndb.org/v810
Torrent: https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/3065899
DDL: https://erogedownload.com/downloads/kara-no-shoujo/
I will post a mega link once I get it ready.

>>39945447
Annnnd the mega link...
https://mega.nz/folder/ZHFQFbaL#qaLitDJqEWxTwfJ3o94J1A

<3

Read Muramasa.

>>39952158
I'll probably include it in the next vote.

>>39945447
Very nice, I'll put it on the backburner until the night before again

>>39952158
How many people itt would be willing to read an 80hr+ VN anyway

>>39953882

I put 140 hours into it in a span of 3 weeks after it got translated, it was an absolute blast

>>39854063
I remember being such a scared bitch when I first read this, it was my 3rd VN ever and I used to be bad with horror so I unironically felt a connection Fuminori at the start and when Saya appeared I felt better.
I should really give it a reread.

>>39953882
according to VNDB it has low sexual content. Sounds like a hard pass for me

>>39954344

Muramasa is regarded as a masterpiece not for its ero content anon

So about one of the endings, I've always wondered
in the ending where Saya blooms, is Fuminori able to live a normal life? Would Saya be able to stop their children from transforming him over like they're doing to everyone else on the planet?
It's been years since I read it so maybe this was clearly explained and I just missed it.

>>39954433
And thus my interest in it is little to none

>>39854063
>Did you remember to read it?
No, I forgot

>>39958316
Next time, then...

>>39958316
we trusted you, anon...

>>39958316
It's only about 7-8 hours. You can still read it in time for this thread.

>>39927010
I'm glad that JAST nows takes the time to translate these. The ones from Muramasa and the Chiral games really lend an extra layer of appreciation for the work put into game dev and passion for creativity. I bought Hanachirasu lately, and assume like Saya, it's not TLed?

how does Kikougai measure up to this one?
I've been trying to set this shit up, but it's nigging a lot with Win 10, and I'm rapidly losing interest.

>>39959917

Which Chiral games would you recommend to someone who isn't interested in BL but doesn't mind it either.

>>39954440
Wasn't elaborated upon as far as I know, but given his fucked up senses he probably wouldn't feel anything or care very much

>>39961173
I liked it way better than Saya, but depends on how much you like crazy martial arts shit and the final twist of the game. I think it got a 15+ remake which might play nicer on Win10, and it still includes H-scenes, rewritten to be more SFW but still relevant.

>>39963183
If you liked Saya, then Sweet Pool is a good choice. It's got a really gloomy, foreboding atmosphere as everything slowly goes to shit. If you like body horror ala birthing/pregnancy, evil cults and religious iconography, you'll be pretty set. Otherwise, I'd say wait it out for the upcoming English release of Slow Damage. Togainu is average, not bad, but kind of a generic battle royale with edgy shit. Wasted setting. Lamento is long as fuck, and about catboys. Maybe if you like fantasy settings with lots of worldbuilding; god tier OST. Dramatical Murder is the most inconsistent writing-wise, yet the most popular. Good art and music, but all the routes feel random and like they just threw in weird traits for the LIs, but didn't try to make a cohesive whole. Whereas Togainu is internally consistent, but a bit samey for route conclusions. None of them are bad picks; depends on what genre you're feeling. But Sweet Pool is the best written IMO, yet the least popular of the bunch.

>>39954440
I assume that no, he is still human and he's doomed along with the rest of 'em. It's the end of the world for humanity. It's the most fitting end for all the characters.

>>39954472

Be honest, are any Nitro+ games worth playing for the ero alone?

>>39969376
Not really.

>>39954344
Perv

>>39942102
Glad to know I'm not alone in having Dr. Legs as my favorite character.

Is our date still the 3rd Wednesday?

I just edged for 3 hours with onahole to this entire sequence. Holy fuck, it was so good. The writer knew exactly how to press the right buttons to make the scenario, characters, and scenes mesh together perfectly. Excellent voice acting too.

Kara no Shoujo was probably the third VN I ever played several years ago but never finished it because back then I just did one route and would drop a VN because I'm stupid, so thank you OP for giving me an excuse years later to actually finish it. This was the only thumb ups Saya pic I could find

>>39981488
Yes.

I think Nitro+ games made hate nukige, because afterwards I realized how inferior they are.

Post your favorite tracks from Nitroplus games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbN--9VynfE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IF9fGnALKA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWH9MYSrWlo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwziIJ8uoQg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deg1RHwmKpo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-xd84QdGz4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSwbuwaf_BQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz6TBuKWWb4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsrYhr2mfoY

>>39992067
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2sHcGS6VsHU
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NDXaoDpXHnk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p9HeCzLSL4c
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e7YAamDUjE4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8gXqrZbX54Y
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8YTTOq3bkxM

what's the deal do i start reading kara no shoujo now and then return here on >>39981488

I wouldn't mind living with her forever even in a world of hell.

>>39998478
Yeah, pretty much. Start it whenever. Finish at least sometime during the next thread.

Can someone explain to me the relationship between Saya and Kurame?
I've seen them together in a few fan pics in a series called Guro Cure (as defined by Danbooru) but it doesn't explain much beyond that. I can't play the game Kurame is from because EOP.

>>40000557
I've read Kusarihime description on VNDB and it says the whole world will be "blanketed under a red sheet of snow".
That and the MC suffering from some mental issue plus the appearance of a mysterious girla make the two stories kinda similar.

>>39998478
If I understand right we're going to do a separate thread for Kara no Shoujo once the discussion period opens up.

>>40008786
Correct.

Did anyone else find Yoh's shirt weird? It's a minor thing of absolutely no consequence to the story but it distracted me every time it was in a CG.

>>40013244
Yeah, I didn't really like it. I suppose it's from a different time though.

I was mildly disappointed there wasn't a reason for why Fuminori began to see the hellscape aside from brain problems. I thought it was an interesting detail that the rest of Fuminori's senses worked fine until he regained his sight. I was expecting a reveal that Saya or Oagi were responsible until it became clear no such link was going to be addressed.

But it's not like the horror genre is a stranger to the trope that sometimes things just happen.